As someone who built and painted his legionaries as night lords, I love the specific rules, very on brand.
@saturnosring2 ай бұрын
I’m getting a battle sisters squad to proxy this kill team! I know it sounds like heresy and I love it. I just can’t resist painting their awesome models.
@CanYouRollaCrit2 ай бұрын
Nah sounds like a great idea!
@strawberrymilk46105 ай бұрын
Man these guys are so cool. When I *finally* get some, I'm for sure gonna paint them in Red Corsairs, and have a Night Lord Red Corsairs pirate band!
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Oh that sounds amazing!
@MEmoosetrax5 ай бұрын
Great review; I will be rewatching this several times! The Abilities and TacOps are definitely awkward and too conditional so I see them being simplified, while some of the operative powers will get nerfed. This is a must buy especially as a NL fan. “Pre-sci-ence’ not ‘Preysense’ although that does sound cool; they definitely captured the NL fluff names!
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah they score normal tac ops easily enough at least
@justpassingby58925 ай бұрын
Well, maybe they are testing this skip activation ability and later we'll see it implemented more and more. Its not an easy task, after all, plenty of questions to answer - which teams should recieve it? Everyone less than 10 activations? Or like in Malifaux - at the start of each turn team with less activations will be compensated with skip tokens so they will match in activations with a team with more of them? Or something else? How it will affect a game system in general? I hope thats GW reasoning, judging by the last dataslate, they can listen to the community.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Maybe but it's implemented here in such a broken way which they could have done instead of via power creep
@hoshi3145 ай бұрын
i got a feeling they did not test many times these new kill teams in ITD, only open or BD. there is gonna be an FAQ dropping after like 2 to 3 months after release methinks
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah it feels kinda rushed
@DoomStarRequiem5 ай бұрын
as a huge 8th Legion fan hearing you say they're the best elite team warms my heart. Ave Dominus Nox!
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Night Lords the real MVP
@nickchatzigavriil32815 ай бұрын
Great review, John. Very informative. So, which is the best Nemesis Claw roster (operatives and their equipment) and with which Tac Ops and Ploys, do you think? I'm very new to Kill Team and Night Lords are my favorite, so i'm very eager to start with them and i would really appreciate your advice.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Ah great! For the roster I'd go with all specialists, melta, plasma and leader with power fist and power sword. Usually Recon or Seek for Tac Ops
@WarWithReality5 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit Can you rephrase that please? 😅 I'm not sure what you are recommending
@jimgbrand5 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit The leader can't have power fist and power sword?
@turn_zero_gaming5 ай бұрын
So...In Midnight Clad...they don't really have a 'super conceal'...just a 'obscured when close to some terrain', which is then removed by the Ignores Obscuring of the enemy sniper, or anyone 6" away? Seems like an tragically underwhelming ability...my other teams have way more impactful faction abilities...feelsbad.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah it is but they make up for it in other areas haha
@turn_zero_gaming5 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit Sorry I wrote this comment in a rage before I heard your complete rundown of it. I blame it on my 1+ Screecher ability. I agree, the rest of the abilities are great. At the risk of complaining, I'd rather they tone down some of the rest and make this super cool and thematic (and functional)...
@GamlirGreybeard5 ай бұрын
Sounds like a very nicely thematic team with some sweet abilities and playstle, but i know my hardest opponent with this team, would be myself trying to remember everything about the team 😂
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah there are a lot of moving parts😅
@jamie60915 ай бұрын
Great video - thank you.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Haha no worries
@samr4425 ай бұрын
Hey CRYAC, I think you may be misunderstanding the "In Midnight Clad" ability. While it is true that those on vantage treat concealed operatives behind light cover as engaged, that Nightlord is still obscured, therefore vantage does not make their ability useless since that operative "In Midnight Clad" would be obscured and therefore an invalid operative. Hope that helps!
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Nah they lose the conceal order due to being behind light cover as per the vantage rule. It's a general concensus from everyone as it needs an FAQ
@samr4425 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit My mistake! Do you think RAI they meant for this to happen? Odd they didn't put the usual words for super conceal "regardless of other rules (e.g. vantage points)"
@allothernamesaretake5 ай бұрын
You mentioned using the prescience ability to skip six activations, but would the A Worthy Cause core rule adjustment prevent six delayed actions in a row? "Some rules allow you to activate operatives in succession before your opponent can activate. Regardless of such rules, you can never activate more than two operatives in the same Turning Point before your opponent has had a turn to activate a ready operative or perform Overwatch." If not, I feel like a similar rule will get implemented with successive delaying for a similar reason, it just tends to build very unhealthy play patterns otherwise
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Ah I'm not sure that applies there but deffo needs an FAQ
@MrMoondoor5 ай бұрын
Would you say its a nice team to start playing kt? By what i just heard i must asume no if they aren't good for new players is HotA good?
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yup it's great for new players! Just got a lot of depth
@MrMoondoor5 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit well after listening to the mandrakes video I am kinda scared but still I want to play these new legionaries on crack Ave dominus nox
@nickpartzsch70115 ай бұрын
Im quite new and dont get it 100%, can you use Prescience in addition tostrategic ploys or instead of them?
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
You use prescience instead of playing a ploy or passing
@Christur8675 ай бұрын
Can the leader take plasma and power maul?
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah (:
@Christur8675 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit brill because I'm going to use a chosen model I already have got the leader 😂
@sky_tech_235 ай бұрын
Not simultaneously, so no. You can take plasma only with the chainblade, it's pretty clear.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Oh shit sorry I thought you said bolt pistol. I'm afraid not sadly 😅 Only chainblade can go with plasma pistol
@Sourlife.5 ай бұрын
i need a how to paint of these guys so bad
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
I might be able to help 👀
@Sourlife.5 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit that would be awesome, if i could make a wish, no airbrush and no slapchop techniques ;) and the other wish is after watching the vid, could you do a list of your recommendation related to operatives, gear etc?! i know i have alot of wishes and christmas is still far away , but maybe wishes also come true in spring ;)
@Sourlife.5 ай бұрын
@@Crushanator1 honestly, imo a lot of the tutorials are very special techniques only the oficiall from gw is what i prefer but here i have hard skill-issues with layering...
@Wonsoky5 ай бұрын
Can someone tell me the benefit of forboding?
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
You can out-wait the opponent so it's harder for them to punish you
@Nipponson865 ай бұрын
They're not as broken as Mandrake, which is good, but on the other hand it looks a bit like NL is going to replace Legionary, which is a bit odd by design. BTW Every elite team should get skip activation as default
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah, just power creep and strong but not broken
@ObsceneSuperMatt5 ай бұрын
Or just use your overwatches. If you have 6 and the other team has 10, you should get 3 overwatches.
@Nipponson865 ай бұрын
@@ObsceneSuperMatt Overwatch just give me worse shooting. With the ability to skip an activation I can still for example seize the objective
@antongrigoryev63815 ай бұрын
I think you're discarding Heavy Gunners too quickly. First, even in Legionaries, Chaincannon isn't the best in all cases, both Missile Launcher and Heavy Bolter have a lot of play. Second, this team doesn't have to spend extra CP on double Shoot - they get it packaged in the same Ploy as Double Fight, which they do want to proc, especially with their "second Charge" Tac Ploy. It's a huge bonus to the effectiveness of the Heavy Bolter.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
The chaincannon only loses out to the heavy bolter if it has lethal 5+ with shoot twice. It's still better in all cases. Missile launcher only works of people bunch up. Chaincannon is the best because it doesn't need CP to function Making space for the heavy gunner in nemesis claw isn't worth it as you'll be dropping an important unique operative
@antongrigoryev63815 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit Again, you get Shoot Twice basically for free in this team as you would want Fight Twice anyway. Second, Krak profile of the launcher can be pretty effective, don't discount it. It may not be as reliable as Chaincannon, but it still deals tons of damage. IIRC, it has higher average damage, though I may be wrong. While _also_ getting Blast potential. Third, it all depends on the matchup and the map. In certain situations. I certainly wouldn't mind a burst of big ranged damage over a slow tickle of MW from the poison guy, for example.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah but you *have* to spend a CP to make the heavy bolter worth it and the missile is relying on people to bunch up to be effective. Poison guy is always worth keeping over the heavy due to MW damage, better board control and long range trickle damage if needed which complements all your other specialists
@Stargazed15 ай бұрын
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@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
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@qtgiebel5 ай бұрын
"prEH-shintz"
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Moody bluez
@ObsceneSuperMatt5 ай бұрын
7 wounds OR MORE errata incoming. Or 7 Wounds OR LESS if it is supposed to the weak.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Nah I don't think so sadly
@ObsceneSuperMatt5 ай бұрын
Prey scents? Pre-Science? Pres-cience?
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yes
@Yannic19825 ай бұрын
Great video as always. Bit concerned that this powercreeps all the elite pretty hard. Luckily its not that hard to proxy from a legionary KT I guess.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeaaaah, they're the best Elite team by a huge mile. I kinda proxied mine haha
@loonluong70385 ай бұрын
Looks like I will continue to struggle with Intercession 😮💨
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Give into the Night Lords!
@DieL4ppenWG5 ай бұрын
Have a box preordered at my FLGS but probably gonna proxy my Legionaires as those atm. They are pretty similar after all.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Oh nice!
@ObsceneSuperMatt5 ай бұрын
Yeah it looks like CSM plus a different upgrade sprue than Legionnaries.
@redback20095 ай бұрын
Still waiting to draw you at a WHW tournament!
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Some day soon!
@doubleloops135 ай бұрын
How well do you think the nightlords would do against the mandrakes? The fight-first tac ploy from the mandrakes seems like a solid problem for them being so melee-oriented.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Nightlords beat them imo
@theezekarion1644 ай бұрын
If they give it too u for free than u definitely signed the atrocious NDA to get it.... So how can u be .....Honest? Cause u literally can't give anything they ordeem bad criticism or itll be a problem. So i understand u wanna think its a honest review but its just not even if it is 😊
@CanYouRollaCrit4 ай бұрын
I mean it is, you don't even know what NDA I signed. If I wasn't allowed to be critical, I wouldn't be able to bring up the points on balance and power creep that I raise So yes, my reviews are honest
@mattbrown77595 ай бұрын
Great review, some really cool abilities in there. Glad they're not broken.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Yeah they're just very strong haha
@georgekingstone63645 ай бұрын
I was eager to play against them until I saw flayed skin - warpcoven main
@zgmfx-09a5 ай бұрын
Yeah sure Tai Lopez tell it to me straight
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Tai Lopez?
@iamweapon5 ай бұрын
@CanYouRollaCrit it's the guy who used to grift people on KZbin with his Lamborghini in his garage. You kinda look like him... but you're also not a huge piece of shit like him.
@zgmfx-09a5 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit I almost forgot what this is about, yeah we had a "watch party" of your video during the preorder and everyone said you looked like this guy Tai Lopez, he was super popular back in 2016 on youtube, don't quite remember what his deal was though
@WeOnlyEatSoup5 ай бұрын
Love this kill team (looks wise)
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
They do look amazing
@davidkimball52225 ай бұрын
The designers are really struggling to come up with any more faction specific tac ops, huh?
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Nah controlling every wall in ITD is very thematic
@MazariPL5 ай бұрын
Completely disagree on ability. Oftentimes, it will be easy to achieve and still thisnisnto give you that edge. You just have to be near cover, not even behind it...
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
It's pretty easy to negate and hard to use outside of TP1
@ChaseTheChamp115 ай бұрын
"best elite team" That is an opinion.
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
The correct opinion
@ChaseTheChamp115 ай бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit Nah man. No melee focused elite team is going to be the best. Shooting is where it is at.
@slemph22145 ай бұрын
@@ChaseTheChamp11 he says while the most dominating teams were melee teams so far
@powrongster5 ай бұрын
not fun when all are already sold out lol
@CanYouRollaCrit5 ай бұрын
Ah yeah sold out in 50 mins in the UK
@filipmaly66035 ай бұрын
To be fair you can buy it in Italian I believe. È ora di tornare a Roma!
@ObsceneSuperMatt5 ай бұрын
Wait the terrorchem lasts until the end of the battle?! Sounds like Inferno needs a buff. But really, I'm sure it will get rebalanced to the token is removed after applying the d3 MW at ready operatives step.