Nemesis vs Nemesis Reborn - Side by Side POV Comparison - Alton Towers Resort

[@AttractionSource]

So how has Nemesis been Reborn? Here's just a few of the enhancements: - All track and supports replaced from the top of the lift hill to the brake run. - Refurbished and repainted trains. - New ride control system. - New colour scheme. - Repair and refurbishment of the alien station building with a new design and addition of the new eye. - Completely new queue line now utilising the top of the hill for a great view. - New soundtrack. - New theming around the ride and neighbouring Forbidden Valley area. - The layout was one of the world's best anyway, so there was no need to change it, and this was never advertised.

[@jacobplatt3066]

The appreciation for pausing at the top of the lift!

[@Fleetblase07]

I like how you stopped the new one at the top of the lift hill to wait for the old one to catch up 😂😂

[@danielledewitt1]

There is no new one.

[@SmileAlways7144]

@@danielledewitt1 well, technically, all of it is new except for the main part of the nemesis body and the chain-lift, station and break-run pieces, as i think they were repainted and the chain-lift sped up, as when i went on galactica in the 2023 season and it was stopped on the chain-lift due to a phone user, those were the few remaining parts (the tentacles were there i think though)

[@danielledewitt1]

@@SmileAlways7144 Still the same ride.

[@macaronandcheese18113]

@@danielledewitt1but it's completely refurbished, we all know what people mean by new and old, it's just the easiest way to say it and not inaccurate either. there is no mistake here except apparently lack of specificity

[@danielledewitt1]

@@macaronandcheese18113 No, it’s just been retracked.

[@vistathon]

I miss the blood red water around the loop section that it used to have during the early years 😞

[@AttractionSource]

Us too!

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

me too!

[@chrisreddy4815]

Yeah what happened to it? That looked mint

[@brg9327]

​@chrisreddy4815 It began leaking into the ground water and causing issues.

[@chrisreddy4815]

@@brg9327 ty

[@angiedunn5054]

What a brilliant comparison - thanks guys. In answer to your question - more trees on Nemesis!, more mist on Reborn, (more blue skies on Nemesis)!

[@AttractionSource]

Thank you Angie! So glad it was such a beautiful day in 2022 to film the last POV of the original.

[@angiedunn5054]

Always a good day on Nemesis (either)!! 😊

[@heroj6322]

I didn't notice the lift hill speed increase! I heard it can now also speed up or slow down depending on where the train ahead is

[@AttractionSource]

Indeed, and I didn't realise until editing this video haha!

[@ChocolateFrog]

Its a shame they havent revamped the terrain. The red waterfall and pit was all part of the attraction. It looks like a putrid puddle now.

[@punkykarooney2912]

That’s very interesting getting a pov on ride included in your park hire event hope you all had a great time

[@RALLYxREP]

No orange generator just after the drop anymore..........also am I the only one who misses crashing into the brakes like a multi car pile up ....... The new fangled brakes are too tame 🤣🤣🤣

[@AttractionSource]

Permanent lighting for the win!

[@caffeinesplash]

I forgot that feeling until I went back on Galactica again

[@gavla-82]

Loved Nemesis, but for me the brake run was too harsh of a jolt - perhaps getting too old now. So pleased to hear it's been made smoother.

[@geordielad82uk]

Thanks for sharing this, after watching the comparison you can tell what a fantastic job B&M have done with new track, you can tell a couple transitions are slightly different, but the pacing is spot on. My only worry is the new trains has that slight vibration which i hope they can resolve for its longevity. Still best ride in the country.

[@RERTOxCRAFT]

Yup not as smooth and the helix is different but it makes it more intense I think the sand it the track to damped the noise causes vibrations I find the back row on 1 of the 2 cars quite painful and rattley

[@danny.ray101]

I just realized, if Phantasialand has to replace Black Mamba rails one day, they won‘t have a lot of fun 😅

[@AttractionSource]

Yeah, quite the challenge!

[@Trance_Kitsune]

Awesome comparison! Thanks for recording and uploading so we could see. ^_^

[@mattscarf]

And letting me experience it again. I went on it shortly after it was built (the first time!)

[@akubel33t]

They need to investigate the rattling of the rear seats, it’s now deafening!!

[@TyroClint]

I miss the rusts. Gave it the scary charm

[@vrtrunky552]

I love the theming of the maintenance warehouse on the right at the end

[@siikliidii3380]

The fact they managed to hype this to death when its basically had a coat of paint is brilliant marketing.

[@haydenramm1751]

its had completely new track put in aswell to make it smoother

[@Animationanization]

That you think it's just a new paint job is a trememdous tribute to the care they took rebuilding it.

[@siikliidii3380]

@@Animationanization Its literally the same ride. Same loops, same speeds, same everything. Might be slightly upgraded, but a bit like cleaning your trainers, its the same thing.

[@Turbo3032]

​@@siikliidii3380 look up the Ship of Theseus

[@emilyrockett1774]

​​@@siikliidii3380 that is a poor analogy in terms of context. A better analogy would be buying a new pair of trainers that look exactly the same as your last pair. Also, there is nothing wrong with refurbishing an old rollercoaster because it's getting rusty and bumpy. Doing this means Nemesis has another 20+ years of runtime instead of being retired. That's a big deal.

[@simontabony]

While the ride itself seems smoother and probably safer, I think the theming of it now looks too clean. I know a lot of the surrounding woodland area is probably to do more with age than theme, but the ride being surrounded by unkept trees and foliage makes it feel engrossing. Now it just looks like security rails and cement.

[@royfontaine5526]

I don’t like the new look either 😢

[@Steam_Guy02]

@@simontabony itd alright, I think it'll grow in a few years. If you look at when nemesis was first built, it had a simular look. The free themeing will return!

[@dbfairgroundfilms8195]

Clearly the speed of the new lift hill is slightly quicker, but other than that, it seemed to be pretty much the same. It’s still a great ride!😊

[@MrJGandAOffical]

I miss the sound of the friction brakes. Good video

[@restlessbohemian26]

WOW! This looks like 1/3 of the most amazing inverted roller coaster on the planet.

[@amyvocalist]

It's short, but it packs a punch. It has always been, and will always be my number one coaster

[@Toxtef]

Longest queues, shortest rides - it’s the Merlin way.

[@steveherbert9575]

​@@amyvocalistGo to the US, they know how to do theming and have super roller coasters. Sure the UK have a few but for me, the UK has shite theming. Blackpool classic example! Rides good though!

[@amyvocalist]

@steveherbert9575 I've been to the US. I know how they do it. I've ridden lots of coasters, Nemesis will always have a special place in my heart.

[@steveherbert9575]

​@@amyvocalistNemesis is good but there are loads in the US worth riding and better than the UK, just my opinion though 😉

[@Shane44]

You can literally hear the rattle the whole way round.

[@andrewscasualmtb]

I like the new one because they put more clouds in the sky. I'm always a fan of that. 👍👍

[@TheRealKensterBoosteryt]

0:37 “ey bro we don’t got all day hurry up!”

[@iamghesp]

I'm convinced the bank helix after the corkscrew doesn't look as tight or whippy as it didn't before 😅

[@AttractionSource]

It's identical, just has beefier and modified supports.

[@itznathz9496]

It’s exactly the same experience

[@iTzNikkitty]

They're so close that any difference in how fast they go through that element could just be down to day-to-day conditions.

[@RERTOxCRAFT]

The corkscrews way more tame however the helix is faster now! Less upright and rounded

[@AttractionSource]

@@RERTOxCRAFT there have been no track profiling changes to either the corkscrew or the helix.

[@punkykarooney2912]

Wow 🤩 This is impressive a combined Nemesis on ride POV of the original Nemesis and Nemesis Reborn this is amazing great 👍 job with the amount of dedication to this vlog cheers guys hope you had fun riding the new Nemesis

[@HMFan2010]

If you can get your eyes to do the “Magic Eye” thing (fusing the two separate images into one) you can almost get a 3D version of it! Thanks for posting!

[@YeetCat]

I've been trying to get myself to be able to understand Magic Eye for a couple of months now. Yes, Months. It's pretty cool though.

[@sezziek1]

I actually HAVE to try this now!!!!! Thank youuuuuu!! 😂🎢

[@CarlileCoasters]

Some of the transitions have definitely been reprofiled. The first corkscrew is so much whippier, the helix following is tighter, there’s some snap into the overbank, and there’s a weird transition right over the path right after the loop.

[@BossySwan]

Love a tighter whippier snap

[@BenG1874]

I don’t care about the rebranding bs, all I care about is AT knowing that metal fatigue is a thing and they’ve given a legendary coaster design another 30 years to exist.

[@shortsadventure6323]

Great video as always!

[@AttractionSource]

Thank you!

[@EL_13-y8n]

Its amazing that the queue line now looks horrible in the original Nemesis shot and you don't get smoke over the station and in the tunnel and also the maintenance bay the station looks different. It has definitely had an upgrade

[@KeithApp]

Looks a lot cleaner and a smoother ride. But shame they had to cut down all them trees. The overgrowth of trees gave it a more haunted feel and added to the atmosphere. Haven't been on it since the refresh but from the video, it doesn't look as scary.

[@sezziek1]

Would love to see a side by side comparison with nemesis/ reborn and nemesis inferno from Thorpe.. would be interesting to see where there loops and turns differ for both.. 🤔

[@datprawn4850]

For those who have ridden Nemesis Reborn, would you say it's smoother than the old Nemesis?

[@brocko1663]

Nope. I've ridden both and can confidently say the old nemesis felt faster, smoother and more intense. But maybe reborn just needs to settle in a bit more, as I went to towers yesterday and it was already a whole lot better than it was on opening day

[@amyvocalist]

definitely

[@Yonel6969]

much smoother, more intense and feels slightly faster. It just has a rattle which old nemmy didnt have

[@the_frogbot8673]

They’re exactly the same ride, but one is newer with newer track technology - so yeah, it’s smoother, but where people are saying either of the rides are better is ridiculous because they share exactly the same layout

[@royfontaine5526]

@@the_frogbot8673 but as you’ve stated, different/newer track technology. So it follows the new ride will feel different, and therefore possibly not as good.

[@crazyleyland5106]

Although im not a white knuckle ride fan, i think they should build a replica Corkscrew. Because that ride helped to make the theme park extremely popular all those years ago.

[@bowak]

I want a return of the Thunder Looper. Greatest ride of all time in my opinion.

[@lmaoroflcopter]

​@@bowak Haa memories of being in the queue for thunder looper as a kid when my dad remarked "that looks fast" and we were greeted moments later with a guy yelling "fuuuuuuuu **fades** iiinngg hell" with full doppler effect, as they flew past us

[@PoisonousPen]

Nice that with the slightly quicker lift hill, that gives us a marginally better throughboot 😅👌

[@Skyfloats72]

It got painted.. Nice video work

[@harisshakil2040]

It's a new track

[@MrApunchard]

It's exactly the same lay out but it's still the best ride. We went in it 3 times a few weeks ago it feels alot quicker loved every second especially the on the front seats 😎😎😎😎

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

Where is the red river? and what is with all the water vapour on reborn?

[@lunarghuleh]

I like how you paused so that they could catch up to each other lol

[@timothyverbist5795]

I like the way the rollercoaster is restored.

[@tdurb0]

Lovely edit 👏🏻👏🏻

[@chrisreddy4815]

Nice work. So just a bit of smoke an special effects? Can't wait to get back on it

[@ThePadacan]

Bring back the river of blood please

[@SteelBuckeye]

What was different? Just the theming?

[@noslacking3856]

So reborn is a lick of paint and updated landscape? Should have called it “Refreshed”

[@Bex_1997]

It’s a retrack so they replaced the track with the new

[@iMizzy777]

This is sorta cool tbf

[@ErwinPPP]

The OG one seems so much smoother.

[@patchworkpoet8951]

Is it still as loud? I love the sound of it!

[@verityanderson-prior727]

Yes it still has it's iconic roar just dampened a bit due to sand in the tracks.😅😊

[@dieseldragon6756]

Glad to see that she's had a much-needed touch up! And the only thing different from her previous incarnation?... ...A new, scarier, much more frightening *UKCA* mark! 🤣

[@nicolastreete7469]

I went on it not so long ago amazing coaster

[@ChimpyWallah]

Wish she still had the greenery she grew overtime, hope it’ll grow back, cus that pebble ground you go over at there top of the lift is so barren and dead

[@AttractionSource]

Hmm, was far too overgrown before though

[@ChimpyWallah]

@@AttractionSource yeah but it was pretty

[@TheRealKensterBoosteryt]

I just noticed the newer corkscrew is more whippy than the old one.

[@JasonLucchesi-i8p]

How is it that the creativeness of the old massively outweighs the new? It's a trend in all sectors now.

[@finnmeister]

Hold on a minute - the sky looks different in that second video.

[@AttractionSource]

👏🏼👏🏼

[@awsomedawson4955]

Rode it today was nice looking but view from 3rd row was the seats in front of me gutting it took so much away from the ride made it feel dull when its far fom it

[@gazs6571]

Still my favourite ride in the UK.

[@snerttt]

Slow my ass! Why are people saying its slower now?

[@amyvocalist]

It's faster!!

[@oxaile4021]

Because it's smoother and that somewhat reduces the perception of speed.

[@Clyde__Frog]

Is the lift hill faster on reborn? Or was that a video symcing issue?

[@AttractionSource]

It is faster, yep.

[@Huckleberry.69]

I love the Nemesis ride, but if you think about it, you probably queue for over an hour and the ride is finished in 2 mins. I know my wife wouldn't be happy with that sort of performance.

[@mapexplore5302]

So just a paint of coat basically. Still a brilliant ride

[@MrSavageFoxVR]

Wow the q line completely changed

[@Vim-Wolf]

So not a lot different. In a way I'm glad, I love that ride, and you can't get the feel from a video :)

[@djreeeeeeee]

Best ride at towers 🤩

[@CultivatedShark]

18 Months for new paint, good effort!

[@Uxx__]

I miss the friction brakes

[@danielledewitt1]

Oh look, nemesis and nemesis are the same ride.

[@marksapollo]

Good job they did. Shame they don’t have much choice, I wonder what on earth they are going to do to solve Oblivion? If only they didn’t have the height restrictions.

[@MrGeocym]

So.. exactly the same then?

[@Amusementnational]

Does anyone else hear the rattle in this POV?!

[@joshuaellisakass122]

Yes but to me it’s sounding like it just needs to settle in more

[@GUNNER-14]

might get worse over time though that could happen too!

[@Deatomizer]

The one on the left looks like it has using the new FallOut filter.

[@Tomtycoon]

Did they remove lots of trees and plants, or are they just different seasons?

[@AttractionSource]

Bit of both!

[@Gggrrrrrrrr23]

I like Nemesis but it's too short for the amount of time you spend waiting in line.

[@maaniakos]

Why does it look exactly the same?

[@markross3407]

What's the difference

[@Millennial_Manc]

As anyone who has owned a black car will know, the new paint job is going to be far less forgiving than the original. I think they’ve made a mistake with the colour scheme. I hope they keep up with the maintenance on the turnstile area as that does look good bathed in red light but it’s going to look diabolical if they ignore the LEDs failing.

[@royfontaine5526]

I prefer the original, more weathered look 😢

[@Rollercoastermadness24]

I rode nemesis reborn 14 TIMES during my stay and I’m off to Thorpe Park 😂😂😂

[@andrewsheldon6038]

Nemesis for the win

[@nay160891]

So......they painted it black?

[@thomasmurdock]

Really dislike that gravel area at the top of the lift hill now… They need to plant trees and immerse it back into woods!

[@tomscott4706]

So all that’s different is you get to the top faster and a few smoke bits? That after a while won’t be used anyway?

[@ShokaLion]

I don't know why anyone expected any different. It's been plain as day from the start that nemesis was just getting a re-track. Why that would mean any result other than basically exactly the same ride is a mystery to me.

[@jacktheladfrost]

I thought they'd completely changed the track layout. Guess not.

[@charlier.k4934]

Isnt that a good thing? I was worried that i might never experience it ever again!

[@amyvocalist]

She doesn't roar like she used to!

[@lauramolony]

Cross your eyes and you can view it in 3D!

[@superspecky4eyes]

Nemesis, not the biggest, not the fastest but definitely the best.

[@Nik-8it5p]

A smoke machine and a lick of paint!!! Whoop de do!

[@criticaldrift5234]

They replaced all the track and 89 of the 117 supports. So it's a bit more than a repaint.

[@EPM9000]

I miss the old look

[@hongk0ngfu3y]

the inversion feels alot slower. Maybe after 12 months it will be run in

[@polopowered]

Which one is which?

[@IndieJenny]

The left one is the old one

[@Hughjanus372]

Not the fastest, stealth goes 80mph, hyperia goes like 50

[@SnazzySneakers]

It’s absolutely no different it’s still rough? Not worth waiting 3 hours for

[@RERTOxCRAFT]

I miss the old one it was way smoother 😢 The newer theming is a nice change more details

[@PinkysProductions]

New to old look no differen what the hell did they make better? Other then paint job

[@alice_mation]

I prefer the old look, I always thought the track was the monsters bones! Everything looked like flesh and bone now its too modern and the new tracks look like fair ground graffiti art

[@devilzwishbone]

Personally Unless this ride gained new technologically ie: Improved power consumption Better Breaking technology More powerful lift chain Repair to wear and tear tracks (safety) Then this has been an entire waste of time and money as people enjoy the ride and theme, but the theme has not altered other than the colour scheme They appear to have added mist, and stopped the fountains / water flow, They took the red water out (due to pollution) but in general that could of been replaced by red painted rocks and flooring, covered in epoxy resin and then let the water flow over it, or red leds to give the impression its blood The rest is the exact same ride, so nothing changed despite all the down time, despite the amount of money poured into it.

[@AttractionSource]

I suggest reading the pinned comment as various things you mention were indeed updated, such as new magnetic brakes.

[@johnmelling9950]

I keep asking the question and nobody has been able to answer...... which company did the new track fabrication?

[@AttractionSource]

Clermont Steel in Ohio, with the rails made in France

[@johnmelling9950]

@AttractionSource thanks. Any reason the rails were made in France? Claremont usually manufacture the full sections.

[@AttractionSource]

@@johnmelling9950 we found this out from the project manager during our event at the park in April. B&M manufacture the running rails in Europe, and then ship them to Ohio for Clermont Steel to add them to the track spine and cross ties once complete. Not sure why it’s not all done in Ohio, potentially quality control.

[@johnmelling9950]

@AttractionSource interesting, thanks for the info. I assume the rails are shipped to the US in straight lengths and then deformed into shape at the Claremont factory. If you look on Google maps, there looks to be lots of straight lengths of rail at the back of the Claremont factory. I wonder if the same rail tubing is shared across different manufacturers and just the spine of the track is different.

[@dayzpapi]

Nemesis vs nemesis repainted

[@tft133]

I'm actually quite disappointed it's exactly the same, thought there may have been some extra twist in there.

[@roryhazlie753]

Can’t believe that Alton towers has got the cheek to call this reborn.its exactly the same ride just been jazzed up a bit and repainted,thought it was going to be a complete new ride according to all the blurb but nope just exactly the same

[@the_frogbot8673]

The thing is though That’s exactly what everyone wanted

[@thepodcastcrew1113]

Thast and the fact that it's purpose built into the ground, they could theoretically fill in the holes and dig out new bits but that's prohibitavly more expensive

[@baggypipestv]

What’s the difference?

[@Mortalfarmer]

It's like a fifa update, pointless new skin, no new gameplay

[@GUNNER-14]

The theming is awesome except the queue(excluding the station). But the ride has a rattle that will probably get worse in the future so It’s just like how ea are killing FIFA. (It’s got better theming now and it was about preserving the ride so I guess they succeeded on that note)

[@pigeon5700]

It was about preserving the Nemesis Attraction and spicing up the theming, they didn't plan to tear it down and add a new attraction.

[@royfontaine5526]

@@pigeon5700 instead they have tamed down the theming 😟