Neopaganism Inside the Church / Peter Jones

Peter Jones talks about Neopaganism inside the church at this year's Grace Agenda in Moscow Idaho.
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[@mikewark6408]

Great lecture! Anything by Peter Jones is worth giving heed to!

[@normbabbitt4325]

Wow. I am going to have to listen to this again. Brought huge questions to my mind. Peter Jones really makes me question so much of what I have believed. I am also going to read his book, One or Two

[@PicturesofTravel]

If you take the time to read a science book you will question everything.

[@ag7075]

@@PicturesofTravel So you do question your own mind and the veracity of what you believe?

[@Daniel-SlaveofJesusChrist]

Wow, Just wonderful

[@ChurchPreaches]

Thank you guys for what you do! I have gained real wisdom from you guys and learned from every video I have watched on your channel! I have been able to be a better witness to my friends at work by discussing the scriptures and worldviews because of you guys!

[@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272]

One of the great Bible verses to warn us and keep us sharp !

[@jamesgasaway7784]

I love listening to the wise old saints.

[@PicturesofTravel]

False Idols run rampant in Christianity

[@SJQuirke]

Thank you LORD for these faithful preachers of your truth. Thank you for this technology that allows me - on the other side of the world to hear this teaching. All praise and worship to your holy name. Bless this man Jones, bless the work of this Christ Kirk and this Canon Press - protect and keep these people and galvanise my spirit to share these truths in love

[@TheB1nary]

Just studying "Atheism and Atheisms" at Aberdeen University as part of my Divinity Degree - and this has been wonderful. I've ordered his books and will be using them in my research for the module assignments. Appreciate this friends - thank you very much!!!

[@susannablanchard1770]

Good teacher

[@PicturesofTravel]

You should study math and science and keep religion/mythology as a side gig. Pay is better!!

[@headbangerministries]

Is that a Christian theology school or? Sou ds like a wonder study.

[@vickscott2055]

Awesome lecture

[@shp8597]

Superb! Very interesting.

[@Jaryism]

Everything this guy has preached about Western society, Gnosticism, Marxism and progressive Christianity seeping into the church has come true.

[@visamap]

Thank u all very much .

[@michaelspears4488]

Peter is giving the church a clear warning about the direction leaders are going.

[@user-sd3ni4fi9x]

Very impressive lecture about Sex and Sprituality.... and Oneism vs. Twoism...or non-dualism and dualism....

[@samsdad110]

I sure wish Peter would’ve also witnessed Paul Kengor, the professor in Grove City College in Pennsylvania because he seems to be a pretty devout Roman Catholic and needs to hear the gospel. That said, he’s intelligent and has written some good books like the one Peter cites, but when you’re dealing with a 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 situation, intelligence doesn’t matter if spiritually you can’t see truth unless God gives you a metaphorical heart transplant like we read about in Ezekiel 36:26.

[@dagwould]

Wonderful words, yet the church has joined in the dance of death by first setting aside the content of the creation account and making it a mere cypher for the 'truth' of materialist evolution...implicitly accepting that the universe made it self and that material is prior to personhood. Our father and creator made a part of the cosmos and not apart from it.

[@amaroo08]

From 40:20, biblical understanding of God, ourselves and love.

[@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272]

One of the things I always rejected was the Beatles and their Hindu thing along with the drugs - yes they made great music but spiritually way too much in the occult ! This man has a great teaching style 🤗👍

[@leodwinak]

So it's fascinating to me that people who say they spoke to Jesus come back with a report about how he denies or ignores something he explicitly said in the scriptures. It's as if he forgot about what he said thousands of years ago and now he's onto some new thing. Of course that is what they want you to believe that overtime Jesus himself has changed his mind and has evolved somehow matching our culture instead of being in opposition to it.

[@theologian1456]

Any advice on where to learn more about neo-paganism from a Christian perspective?

[@mariannehuston3814]

Theo Logian The gnostic gospel by same author kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIvMlGeCo8x-n9U

[@PicturesofTravel]

you should explore the borrowed paganism that is part of christianity

[@zapazap]

@Radagast Ummm... Welll... Ahhh... (How should I put this?) To get a Christian perspective of it?

[@billhitchens7561]

Ellis Potter has great lectures on this. He was a Buddhist monk who became a Christian. I think he went to L’abri and spent time with Frances Schaefer.

[@nod55106]

I'm a Pagan, but i always enjoy Peter's lectures. it's so valuable to hear these kinds of perspectives. I actually agree with a lot of what he is saying here, he understands certain aspects of Paganism quite well, but the idea that NeoPaganism is mostly an Eastern form or of Eastern origin is really out of fashion these days. Nearly all forms of modern Paganism are Western origins. The idea of One-ism and Two-ism is pretty spot-on. Pagans do not see a separation between the creation and the creator.

[@SAOProductions1955]

OK. So after listening to Dr. Jones, why are you still a "pagan" knowing what the ultimate outcome and your final destination will be?

[@nod55106]

@@SAOProductions1955 Well, Peter and i might agree on some of the questions that need to be asked, but i wholly disagree with his answers. I find Christian theology lacking and often times, simplified for easy digestion.

[@SAOProductions1955]

@@nod55106 - The foundation upon which your paganistic world view is based leads you to ask the wrong questions from the very beginning. And as such, asking all the wrong questions will never lead you to any of the "correct" answers. Besides, as a pagan, you ought to have recognized by now that if everything is one, so too are those Christian answers you find "lacking" - they also emanate from the same reality. Yet those answers you find too simplified to satisfy your sensibilities contradict yours. How can that be? Your answer must be "ying/yang" - and you contend our answers are "simple"? But doesn't ying/yang propose a complimentary rather than opposing forces? You're thus at an impasse - you can either stand with your own over simplistic simplicity (or rather stupidity) or embrace the true religion that is both simple yet complex.

[@nod55106]

@@SAOProductions1955 in all seriousness, i love the fact that you are actually speaking with me. A lot of readers/watchers just move along. The way i look at it, the reality of God (or the Divine) is such a vast and infinite thing that for us humans with a mere 3 pound brain to claim any understanding of such matters like "only one god" is purely guess-work or deception. Something as vast and complex as the divine cannot be relegated to a simple answer like "one". That's lazy math. My understanding of the Divine is based on the multiplicity of the the cosmos i see around me. i see good things, bad things, love, and hate. All of that cannot be assigned to "one" origin or being. I am very curious what questions i should be asking, if indeed i'm asking the wrong ones. please elaborate.

[@zapazap]

@@SAOProductions1955 Why do you assume that OP enjoying the preacher implies agreeing with him, which is a precondition for such 'knowing'? This commenter might know nothing of the sort. Have you stopped beating your wife? 🤔 🤣

[@rebeccanoll3130]

Also curious if anyone here familiar with Carl Truman and his new work Rise of the Modern Self and how it compares with this message?

[@snippletrap]

Brown could also have brought up Baphomet, who is androgynous, and whom the occult elite worship.

[@rebeccanoll3130]

Curious about the title of the book mentioned about aztecs before conquistadors arrival?

[@irisbristow2977]

Please, please do not use automatic on screen text as sometimes it completely distorts the this very very important talk. One example is the word twoism appears as tourists

[@stbennotoday]

Unlike Mr Jones suggest the Greek does not read "the". This is a common mistake in those who approach the Greek from the English use of the article. The Greek in Romans 2:24-25 expresses "exchanging God's truth for falshood". In ancient Greek the article has a generalising effect in this context. If you give up God's truth you will end up with falsehood and all the evil degradation that has followed in human history since the Garden of Eden.

[@j.t.patton7820]

Great lecture. As detrimental as Neo-Paganism is; let's not forget an equally, if not more prolific form of Paganism which started when Constantine hi-jacked True Christianity, in order to birth Roman Paganism.

[@pd003]

I meant two- ism

[@CanonPress]

You are totally correct. Our third-party captioners must not have read Peter Jones 🤔

[@benjamaya5199]

I'm a creator. I paint pictures and make small clay figures. I like my creations but, no, I don't feel joined to them at all. So one-ism makes no sense to me.

[@The_Ladder_Perspective]

But you don’t have power to create life, and you live inside of space & time that God lives outside of... how can you compare yourself

[@claudiabailey5302]

The problem is I could come up with a song and say I wrote or created it. Yet fundamentally all my creating/design only happens because God gave me the mind and the ability to do it. But my creations don’t have life or there own minds and free will and it doesn’t have the life that the planet has. So it falls flat you may paint picture you may even make clay figures but you can’t give them the breath of life or a soul. That power of life comes almighty God alone

[@polarisedelectrons]

Try writing a story. Try building your own universe, your own world, your own people, characters, etc. Watch them seemingly come to life and take on minds and wills of their own. Ask any dedicated writer if s/he has fallen in love with his/her characters, and see how many say respond with a resounding 'yes.'

[@michaelspears4488]

Peter is a great scholar, the church needs to get back to the bible.

[@JohnCahillChapel]

The Shema is “one-ism”.

[@sniff270]

At 12:00 is why the towers fell.

[@ovallekeila7674]

A very good topic, and a very deep and accurate explanation of paganism in many churches today. I can't agree with him whenever he says " evangelicals". It's wrong to include all evangelicals in this kind of things; I belong to a church which is all around the world, and it's very strict on its doctrine and it's very clear respect to the topic being explained in this video.

[@thesaxonstandard2936]

.... The ancient Greek philosophers had contact with and had gotten influence from the eastern traditions... the original western religious thinking was way more inline with eastern thought than Jewish thought.

[@Trials_By_Errors]

Adwaita Vedanta is one of Vedanta. Even it recognises the Duality of 1. Bramhan Supreme Existence in All being. 2. Maya the Manifestation and Appearance of Bramhan including All of Us.

[@Dbulkss]

can someone explain why in countries like India that use this eastern mindset, why are they less progressive than USA is on things like lgbtq and gender spectrum none sense???

[@levibaer18]

Because 3rd world countries can’t afford to be progressive. Progressivism arises from rich wealthy kids who have the time and privilege to protest the misfortunes of being raised in a well to do home and given the best education that society can provide. They are totally disconnected from hardship and the reality of hardship, my friend, will never allow the absurdity of progressivism.

[@Dbulkss]

@@levibaer18 I've come to the same conclusion too

[@AmericanDreamer]

@@levibaer18 well said

[@snippletrap]

Nietzsche predicted the West's turn to Buddhism long ago. Funnily enough, Buddhism is based on a binary distinction: that not suffering is better than suffering.

[@PicturesofTravel]

funny thing is Christianity is based on Buddhism

[@josiejump64]

43:45 50:00 52:00

[@Pandaemoni]

I am not too impressed with his theory. Even though I suspect we agree on what is the true religion, the distinction between "oneism" and "twoism" rings hollow based on this talk. Here a few examples of things that leapt out at me, as best I can remember without re-watchiung: * Buddhism doesn't worship the world, it rejects the world in its ideals. Even the self is ultimately unimportant. (I think it's wrong, but is not worshipping creation (or the Creator).) * Highlighing examples of the number "one" in other religions isn't very explanatory. There are "oneisms" in that sense within Christianity that I am sure he'd hand waive away, like man and woman becoming "one flesh" or the notion the trinity as the Three who are One. The bible only allows for "one" kind of moral sexuality (between a married man and woman), whereas homosexuals naturally have at least two "Man on man" and "woman on woman." * Related, "non-binary" is not the equivalent of "one"... if anything people who use that term use it to mean an bewildering plurality...in their view there are thousands of genders, not just one. It's not even just "androgyny" as some of the sexual identities are supposedly not along a male-female "spectrum" at all. * On paganism, the speech called to mind Jewish colleagues of mine who have explained the Jewish view of Christians as "pagan" for worshipping Jesus (which they viewed as idolatry). In that view, the purpose of religion is to worship and serve God, whereas Christians see Jesus as God with our being focused on how to get the afterlife Jesus has promised us. That is, as opposed to our serving God, Jesus came to serve us. (I disagree with their views as well, but that is how he views it.) He views that as a failure to dutifully worship God, only serving Him because a(nother) Hod, the man Jesus, promised us a "bribe" to do worship both Jesus and God...the latter being just the right thing to do even if God promised us nothing. But that's not twoism, of course. * As a last example of issues that hit me on listening, it's pretty clear that not all homosexuals are "androgynous" unless you assume sleeping with men is "feminine" (in which case calling homosexuality androgynous is simply a tautology, not a strong point. Basically, I think "oneism" sounds like it is really "no true Scotsmanism" applied to religion from the speaker's subjective point of view, though I'd need to read the book to confirm that. Everyone who isn't a true Scotsman apparently is a "pagan/oneist." Based on this talk, I think only people who already agree with him (and are primed to overlook any logical fallacies) would be enticed to buy the book, though.

[@Dbulkss]

Cool opinions.

[@hannahrenee9870]

Why do people worship Buddha then, if it’s not worship of the creation? Buddha was a human. And if you can the reach the highest level of enlightenment as he supposedly did, that means you are also a god right? Any other “worship” other than worship of God = worship of self.

[@Pandaemoni]

@@hannahrenee9870 Buddhists don't worship Buddha, they follow his teachings and generally revere him as an example of how to live, but traditional Buddhism does not have any "gods" whatsoever (it's non-theistic) and they would agree that Buddha was a just a man, albeit a wise and praiseworthy one. The underlying goal of Buddhism is to achieve "enlightenment" and to achieve that requires letting go of the world. That's why they tell the myth of Buddha sitting in meditation, without moving, under a tree for 49 days, ignoring the world despite the weather and numerous temptations...because he had renounced his attachment to the world and was free of all cravings (like hunger, thirst, lust, greed, pride, etc.). The ultimate goal is not even spiritual immortality, as their "Nirvana" is a state in which they lose their individuality anyway, there is no "self" or "soul" that survives death, just a vague life energy that is without personality or its own consciousness (it's called "anattā" which means "there is no soul").

[@mariannehuston3814]

Kurt Romans 1:28 ***And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting vs22 Profesing to be wise, they became fools vs32..not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them***

[@tlcetc4506]

@@Pandaemoni I think people are misunderstanding the 1 and 2 if his oneism and twoism, I thought he meant they are based on what is in the worlview 1 vs what is in worldview 2, or the two kinds of existence, not the numerical numbers one vs two, as he explains in the beginning.

[@pd003]

I think too -ism and not tourism for the caption

[@lai_strength_training]

two-ism

[@Trials_By_Errors]

I am Surprised that Greeks and Romans, Phoenicians, Vikings and many others don't get any Credit for Western Civilization.

[@Cueteman]

You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?

[@zapazap]

Ummmm... by adding salt?

[@ernestbatiy1070]

I'm so tired of misrepresentation as a pagan

[@tedshafer633]

So, anyone who does not jump opn his band wagon is a neo-pagan. got it!

[@michelhaineault6654]

and what about Jesus??? Before is incarnation Jesus was the I AM who in gen.1.1 created Heavens and earth.

[@The_Ladder_Perspective]

That was him claiming he was God. One of three people who are God, Fader, Son, & spirit

[@michelhaineault6654]

@@The_Ladder_Perspective never see such a teaching in the 66 books of the bible. Only one God THE FATHER and Jesus is God (Father) in bodily form, Jesus is the invisible image of the invisible God the Father and even the son call the Father IS GOD. Jesus never teach he was from a triune God but always say: Me and the Father are ONE or '' the son of man can do nothing BY HIMSELF......'' but the Father in Him was doing all the miracles.

[@marlak1104]

Trinity= God the Father, God the Son who is Jesus Christ, God the Holy Spirit: three persons in the Godhead. Trinity not three gods or Gods.

[@michelhaineault6654]

@@marlak1104 the bible never talk about three persons in the God head NEVER ! Jesus is not another person but God who is the Father alone manifested in flesh as the bible teach = 1Tim.3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

[@Spr1ggan87]

@@michelhaineault6654 No that is the modalism heresy. "let us make man in our image" "our" , three persons one divine essence.

[@odanemcdonald9874]

The word church is from the Greek word Circe, Who wore a purple dress and bore a cup of wine to weary unwary men,

[@MeTuLHeD]

The actual New Testament word is 'ekklesia'...which means called out. The English word church comes from the Old Germanic word kirk which in turn derives from the Greek word kyriakon...meaning "of the Lord".

[@zapazap]

@@MeTuLHeD Thank you sir. I don't know which of you two to believe, but I am inclined to you.

[@zapazap]

Remember friends: *Unregenerate trolls* are best left unfed. Except perhaps with cookies.

[@michaelfalsia6062]

Neo paganism? Like tattooing and body piercings? This is happening in so called Reformed churches for sometime. Anyone heard of Apologia the church for the 21st century hipster. The tattooed gurus of our hipster movement are unashamedly out in front with all their stupid pagan body art. And few seem to notice or even care? What a reproach and disgrace for those who dare to name the name of Christ. Were are our prophets denouncing this hideous and pagan practice in the churches calling professing Christians to repent and denounce themselves? Perhaps that is asking too much in a populist social media world. As we draw near to the final apostacy and day of Judgment this will continue unabated. The Kingdom is likened to a woman who hid leaven in three measures of meal until the whole was leavened. So too this sin and pagan practice along with many other sins will eventually leaven the entire Christian faith and render it graceless and powerless because all of God's Elect have been saved and the Holy Spirit has been fully withdrawn from the churches as a judgment which begins in the house of God during the last days of the last days right before the revelation of Jesus Christ from heaven in flames of fire taking vengeance on all the unsaved including those who profess Christ as Savior and Lord. A whole lot of Calvinists and Reformed people will find themselves standing before the Lord of glory. Matthew 7:23,14-21-23.

[@zapazap]

Maybe, maybe not. People use the term to mean different things. Cheers! :)

[@zapazap]

Remember friends: *Unregenerate trolls* are best left unfed. Except perhaps with cookies.

[@tristezzalamentoluciano265]

The Church, no matter which sect or faith under it's umbrella, should be all inclusive and embrace all people of Mother Earth. All of this rejection and judgment is why people have turned away so hard. I should know. I was raised Roman Catholic. I am a Nature Worshipper now, I guess what you would refer to as a Pagan or Druid. The Church has become all about men ruling men and less about a loving God. It's the biggest hypocrisy of all and in my opinion, a horrible blasphemy.

[@gabriellelopez01]

You are worshipping creation rather than the Creator and developing a connection with that truth. What the church does is not relevant to your relationship to the Father. Nature does not grant you the same protection and wisdom.

[@ExJewAntiKhazarWesternAsian]

Long live Hinduism, Buddhism and Paganism, you will not stop the light after dark ages(=Modern West).

[@CanonPress]

unfortunately those are inconsistent with each other... you're gonna have to pick just one for the anti-Christian championship!

[@ExJewAntiKhazarWesternAsian]

They are all aspects of the same thing, Hindu tradition. I also don't see why Brahmanism-Vedanta is "Paganism" but worshiping Maria woods stones "the body of Christ" and graves in Christianity is "Monotheism".

[@CanonPress]

@@ExJewAntiKhazarWesternAsian Sounds like you're mixing up veneration of relics (Roman Catholic tradition) with orthodox Christianity. Agreed that no one should be worshiping anything other than the one true God!

[@Yesica1993]

Jesus Christ alone can provide payment for sins.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

@@CanonPress You can't know much about "hinduism" (real name, sanatana dharma) and buddhism if you think they're inconsistent or incompatible with each other The latter is based on the former no different from the relationship between both the testaments