Villeneuve Teases Action-Heavy DUNE Messiah | What to Expect

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[@stephaniemoore9122]

I thought I read Lady Jessica will be back? Disappointed rn

[@HarantheBlue]

Alia's dialogue from the Lynch movie is burned in my head. "Wait for my brother, Barron!" "For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!"

[@henrikg1388]

May he rest in peace. 🙏 The quote that has really stuck in my memory is "Remedy this situation or you will live out your life in a pain amplifier!".

[@NameNotAChannel]

The obvious choice for an action scene that wasn't "shown" in the books, is the story being told by the old Fremen soldier who is talking with the facedancer along with the music being played, which serves another purpose, in showing how the war changed the Fremen who went out to fight in it, and how the Fremen still don't take responsibility for the jihad and how their people taking power over the imperium changed them as a people, blaming Paul for it, despite doing all that against Paul's will.

[@callmebill4054]

Well said

[@mastpg]

Here's hoping another group of true believers soon look back on their devotion with regret.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

A sequence at the start showing the Jihad would go a long way towards this, and I always imagined Dune 3 would open like this.

[@genreonlinenet]

The problem with Dune Messiah is if he stays accurate to the book, (spoilers), non Dune fans will hate what they will perceive as Paul’s ultimate fate. They will see it as bleak. If he goes in the opposite direction, book fans will not be happy. So he is going to have to find his own Golden Path if he expects to complete a trilogy successfully and maybe as a whole in the way Peter Jackson got his based on the trilogy collectively, maybe Denis will get an Oscar for Best Picture if he doesn’t wait too long, but finds the way to make a Dune Messiah that will please all. Don’t be surprised if he calls it Dune Part 3.

[@Lolatyou332]

I don't think they should cater to book fans. So few people who will watch it would of read the books. If Paul is lost, they really need to build the new characters, such as leto, in the same time. Since Paul can see the future, it can essentially be able to build up leto while still only really engaging in the current timeline, so the loss of Paul isn't as terrible since there is a new protagonist to root for.

[@AsttoScott]

The story will be another ESG approved. They don't give a shit what fans think.

[@parkera0430]

Why would non book readers hate Paul’s ending? It’s bleak, but so is the rest of the story. Surely even casual moviegoers will know not to expect a happy ending.

[@SK4M_Freal]

Rip David Lynch.💔

[@RichieRich790]

He who controls the spice controls the universe,long live the fighters RIP David 💯🙏🏻💪💫

[@j.jennings1722]

I think Dune Messiah should begin with Alia narrating her own birth and talking about how Paul is off-world with the Fremen warriors fighting against the Great Houses. Jessica is in labor and calls for Chani, who is initially reluctant to attend the birth. While helping the midwife, Chani is given an updated version of the Wives Speech by Jessica, and she is convinced to give Paul a second chance, then is told to go off-world to fight alongside Paul, which she agrees to do with a little prompting from the Voice. Unknowingly, Chani should be pregnant when she arrives to fight and has a miscarriage during one of the battles, bringing Paul and her closer together. That's when the scene from Part 1 should take place and we see Paul and Chani looking down on their cheering troops, from their ship, as they return to Arrakis to begin Paul's rule. That's when the time jump should take place. Also, during one of the battles, it could switch back to Arrakis to see Alia as a baby, who forces herself, through the power of will alone, to have a growth spurt, in which she grows into a six year old.

[@Hansel_0]

This is soo good!!!!

[@danielplainview2584]

Beautiful!

[@kelliehoux3202]

I was in middle school when David Lynch's "Dune" hit the big screen. It was incredible. And yes, Alia needs her whole story told.

[@MusicMike939]

So far none of the dunetubers have talked about David Lynch.

[@patrickhayden7206]

We don't need to. His work stands alone.

[@Concreteowl]

Apparently the Spicediver edit has an official release in Germany as an extra. I hope that more scenes are found in the vaults as the Alia scene recently was.

[@justapasserby1984]

@@Concreteowl Alia scene , tell me more.

[@justapasserby1984]

@Concreteowl I googled it and found it. Thanks for this info.

[@raymundverallo1967]

Quin posted about it yesterday

[@peraticti]

You are very good at this. Great voice too. I am glad you have been covering Dune.

[@agesflow6815]

Thank you, Nerd Cookies.

[@Calico_Jack_]

14:42 Thank you again. Justice for Alia! Lol. Dune 3 will be a failure to further ignore Alia. Possibly make her the narrator with glimpses/flashbacks of her involvement? Too many films now rely on CGI carrying their story. Long live Saint Alia of the Knife.

[@patrickhayden7206]

I still say Jason Momoa only shaved his face for job security. He'd be the only one playing a character that would be in every sequel with the franchise progressing. So, just hire Peter Dinklage as Bijaz and take my money.

[@Concreteowl]

Other short actors exist. I'm not sure if giving him all the jobs is a good idea.

[@drown_n]

I mean, Dinklage is awesome for sure. But I don’t see him as Bijaz at all haha I think that would be a miscast. And like this other dude said, there are definitely other actors that are little people. If I’m not mistaken there’s a whole acting guild dedicated to little people that act

[@patrickhayden7206]

@@drown_n I just miss Bijaz in "Children of Dune". That actor nailed it.

[@thetonetosser]

I'm not convinced that Momoa is the man for the job. I'd like to be proven wrong.

[@TutosViolet]

​​@@thetonetosser why? I think momoa was great in dune and I can't wait for him to come back in dune messiah.

[@robertfrost1683]

"Bridging" Dune and Messiah is definitely needed. That is why Brian and Anderson wrote a " Bridge Book". Hopefully we can get some backstory regarding the Spacing Guild.

[@jonathangriffiths2499]

We deffo need to at least see the Navigators

[@PTNLemay]

They could play up the espionage angle. I haven't read the book in almost 2 decades, but if I remember correctly it's [SCROLL DOWN FOR SPOILERS] ... pretty much every important faction trying to assassinate Paul, or coerce him into submission. It's spies tripping over themselves to manipulate the situation to their benefit. Also just the stone burner scene is pretty action packed. That'll look great in a movie trailer. Also he could slip in flashbacks to the actual Jihad. A crazy galactic war spanning a hundred worlds. There's room for epic scenes there for sure. Even if they are quick flashes.

[@Ravege98]

Dune 2 went so far off the reservation, Dune 3 will be maybe 10% of the novel. Maybe.

[@parkera0430]

If anyone can bring the spirit and themes of Messiah to general audiences, it’s Villeneuve. I’m excited to see what he cooks up.

[@House-Atreides]

Excellent analysis as always!

[@brown2889]

Princess Irulan’s character was really solid too. So hoping he uses her to effect again.

[@skepticalsmurf]

agreed,it will be interesting to see how the director tackles previous and future storylines in the saga,like the reunification of Paul and Chani after the finale of Part Two 🤔

[@woodwyrm]

Hopefully it's just in the beginning of the movie, showcasing what happens during Paul s Jihad, and the rest of the movie is plots-within-plots, Paul becoming more and more prescient until certain things happen.

[@saleendriver]

Wondering how Denis is going to fix the obviously broken relationship between Paul and Chani

[@boromirstark9]

I hope they just lampshade it as quickly and efficiently as possible. I don't think it will be too big of a challenge. Same with Alia- they should just age her up and include some COD plot line if they feel Messiah has too little "plot"

[@frinkfronk9198]

Agreed I like it better when shows and movies don't feel they have to explain everything. Just drop in a tell a good story and understand we will be able to piece together what has happened in the past if they tell the story well enough. You don't need to sign post everything for the dumb and dumber.

[@House-Atreides]

@@saleendriver I’m worried he’s going to burn a third of the movie reconciling them. Normies aren’t going to like it if she simply returns without a fight.

[@SpacedOut98]

I think he will figure it out. Thinking back, portraying chani the way he did was a decent choice, otherwise the movie would've been one-sided. And those who haven't read the book would've 100% thought that all paul does is a good thing and is supported by everyone.

[@di3486]

She will die anyways.

[@Snacks-n5t]

Yes !! Please !! More details

[@mitchelllawrence2798]

Seeing as Dune Messiah is set 12 years after the last events. Maybe the Jihad will be shown in flashbacks and the present.

[@shanenolan5625]

We might see some flashbacks or current events from irulan. Like her diary. We know paul wages the war from his citadel/ palace. The conspiracy stuff will be interesting, wl facedancer ( furok) house. Paul and hayt sparing. Guests ( sardukar) executed.. mohiam and paul confrontation.. There is an off screen battle. The biggest battle of the war The assassination attempts.. Council scenes for exposition. Dialogue. No doubt they will invente or update for a modern audience The visuals should look different. Grander wealthy. Opulence. The palace. Ect

[@atillaborak1768]

What is that off screen big battle? I don't remember such a thing, even in the dialogues. And what is it with the Sardaukar guests being executed? I remember Shaddam had just a unit of Sardaukar in his exile on Salusa Secundus, just to entertain himself with military drills and stuff

[@shanenolan5625]

Stilgar comes to paul with news about an invasion. A breakdown of manpower and material. A small campaign. Then later in the book . Paul notes the conspiracy members are more agitated. He notes the recent victory on molitor ( I may have no have the right spelling on that word/ place ) The same place is noted in the dune encyclopedia. It was the biggest battle of the jihad . The combined forces of 12 great houses and the remaining sardukar.. combined forces.

[@atillaborak1768]

@@shanenolan5625 thank you! I'll check it out. It'd be cool to see it for sure. I also expect a battle on Caladan. In the book "Paul of Dune" (there's a little spoiler but I don't think it'll affect anything) Paul foresees the rebel great houses will attack there and put Jessica in danger. To prevent this, he nukes the rebel base. Gurney could lead his troops on the Caladan cliffs perhaps

[@shanenolan5625]

Yes that was the best part of the book imo I can recommend a youtube channel with a video about the freman jihad all we know from the encyclopedia.. if your interested ?

[@atillaborak1768]

@@shanenolan5625 okay thanks

[@samueldahl9222]

What about the brief mention of Paul’s enemies successfully stealing a sandworm? That could be a really cool heist sequence…

[@dorkfactory]

I'm hoping the narrator is Jessica. That gives a way to say she's on caladan and makes it ok for her to not be in the contemporary setting. I for one am VERY excited about the idea of showing a lot of the 12 years of war -- hopefully as flashbacks, maybe as a way to really play up paul's suppressed guilt.

[@marknovak6498]

I read Dune Messiah and wonder does the director want to tell this story as it should.

[@phinouttawater2571]

It would make for a bad movie.

[@marknovak6498]

@phinouttawater2571 if he can not tell the story in the book, he should not tell the story at all.

[@vladmods]

No, he doesn't. Villeneuve doesn't care much about Dune.

[@marknovak6498]

@@vladmods If he does no care he will fail. Loss of respect is impossible to live down.

[@marknovak6498]

@@vladmods If the story is ignored he will become infamous. his career will be over.

[@hammerofscience534]

Dune part 2 slipped in quality over part 1, can you imagine if Dune 3 just becomes an action movie, it would be such a shame.

[@di3486]

Literally my thoughts.

[@Ultriix]

Yeah although I enjoyed part 2 plenty, I much preferred the meditative pace, deep meaning and mood of the first one. I wish we got more of the scenes they originally filmed to be honest. I cringe when I hear words like lots of action as it means pandering to general audiences.

[@thetonetosser]

I'm more intrigued (and concerned) about who'll portray the Ghola, and how they're going to tackle such a complex and pivotal character.

[@TutosViolet]

Jason momoa.

[@thetonetosser]

​@@TutosVioletis that confirmed?

[@benjaminattwell1430]

I must admit that the further I get from the Villenueve films the more disappointed I am. I feel so many key elements were changed and or removed to make it less “weird.”

[@di3486]

Literally agree. The weirdness is the coolest part of Dune.

[@bradfordwilson4742]

Well, the script is written and will begin filming later this year (2025). However he figured the story, it's what this film is and we're all just gonna have to wait and find out.

[@peddler931]

Jessica's absence was a key factor in Alia's breakdown in Children of Dune. It might be a mistake to have them together in Messiah.

[@shanenolan5625]

Thanks Elaine

[@TehNizzz]

Very cool coverage of the speculation. We can’t wait for Dune 3. But don’t forget about Chani. She will likely still play a big role seeing as how the first movie was pretty much from her perspective.

[@di3486]

And then die😂

[@StreamingTribe]

It's possible that we'll get flash forwards instead of flashbacks. I mean they could start Dune 3 with the defeat of the last Noble House. And then show us the chaos that came afterward. Also how the Empire continued through the Guilds because they essentially gave up a direct fight for a more treacherous approach with all the preparations (Ghola/Bijaz/Irulan) needed . Basically the Dune Messiah plot in a second part, peppered at this stage with flashbacks of horror committed on different planets to a lot of people. Especially if it's personalized through PTSD flashbacks & nightmares as well as well as visions from Paul confirming what happened in a very sad and emotional tone.

[@hamishsewell5990]

Could do it like the opening of the 2003 miniseries, with Farok. Then on to the palace intrigue. Oh and the stone burner that blinds Paul

[@marcacee220]

Scytale kills the fedykyn commando and his daughter, the stone burner, and yes the awesome ending of throwing knives blind using his sons eyes for sight

[@youtubehandle-u2l]

dune messiah will be split halfway with the immediate repercussions of the Jihad and then the time jump when the world has settled but the intrigue and secrecy starts to

[@Bacohuncho]

I have a dream where dune part three opens with the interrogation of bronso of ix and then we cut to the brutality of the holy war on a random planet

[@cappsak]

I'm prepared for Dune part 3 to diverge from the book the most out of the 3 movies, and I can understand the desire to have more flashbacks that insert action scenes which were merely reflected on as past events in Dune Messiah. However, he said in an interview last year that he views the dialogue and conspiracy scenes of Dune Messiah as their own kind of action. He talked about people using words and subtext to battle each other. I'd be excited to see that! Especially as he often had to focus on the more action driven plot scenes in part 1 and 2 just to get through the plot. Maybe adapting a shorter book will mean that he can focus more on those tense verbal battles between people as well.

[@CitizenScott]

He sure says a lot of things huh?

[@epicparkourdewd]

@@CitizenScott As you typed this reply that says absolutely nothing at all, smh

[@badlaamaurukehu]

​@@epicparkourdewdSeems like they have an opinion of their own. Is that not allowed anymore?

[@th3garbageman]

I would kill to see an entire David Lynch Dune saga, covering all of the books R.I.P. David Lynch

[@thegercast4794]

nah, i've fallen for that before...

[@tiagoquirino2214]

Children of Dune closes Paul's story. It's a must. Messiah is just a bridge

[@wesleygleason5868]

I just hope he hits all the highnotes of Dune; Messiah. It's my favorite of the series! ❤😎👍🏻

[@JezzaBondiBeach]

In Denis we trust ❤

[@Dularr]

A change for Chani would be a fight to the death defending her children.

[@di3486]

She can’t because she dies.

[@Dularr]

@di3486 exactly. Instead of dying in child birth, she dies defending their children. I would even add the idea of Space Guild Marines. A faction Paul cannot see with his visions. They could even end with Hate and Alia saving the children.

[@di3486]

@@Dularr But that’s not Dune.

[@Dularr]

@di3486 I would love to see a 40 hour version of Dune, being very book accurate. DV is not going that way. Also it would be funny to see the Star Wars fans react to the book version.

[@di3486]

@@Dularr Clearly he is not going to but the miniseries had the same running time as the first two movies and was way more book faithful.

[@jeremyevans8374]

You wouldn't have to do like montage of different Jihad battles. He could just open with one complete battle sequence on one of the many worlds that have been conquered. And they could reference the rest in passing through the dialogue. Just have it be brutal enough to make it clear to everyone how scary Paul has become. Maybe a mass execution here and a world sterilization there and you've already set the tone regarding who we're dealing with at this point in the story. Then you have the second act be the political intrigue, and the third act be all the action at the end of Dune Messiah with the whole Stoneburner thing.

[@Hamza-rd6jk]

I thought the DV was very deliberate in his inclusion of action as a story telling device. He never included action for the sake of seeing fists (knives) fly. Each action set piece tells us something about the characters and advances the plot. IMO he's done this pretty darn well in the first two movies so I'm not at all worried about him including more action in Messiah

[@benjaminrude3814]

Love your work!

[@synaxarion]

And we still haven't seen the Navigators!

[@patrickbarnett8828]

Yes I think it does need more action since the book no criticism meant… was very character driven & story oriented

[@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145]

This video is probably the first time in 1000 years that the word "decimating" was used somewhat close to its original meaning!

[@PaulLembo]

We also had Chani’s scowling face attacking Paul.

[@yodasmomisondrugs7959]

🤮

[@trevorpaar]

Confrontation is struggle and overcoming the struggle makes you a better person

[@Air36874]

Shallow maxims are so common nowadays

[@walterallen4069]

@trevorpaar Apropos to what?

[@PaulLembo]

“Wars do not make one great.”

[@londomolari5715]

Perhaps, Villeneuve will use the classic "In Medias Res"--start in the middle of things.

[@Dularr]

Chani also needs to show us how you get off a Sandworm.

[@medianvideos]

The age difference with Alia is such a problem with the time jump if Villeneuve wants to really include Anya Taylor Joy as Alia. For starters, she looks older than Paul in the “vision” we see in Dune 2. She looks about 30 years old… there is a 12 year time jump I believe with Messiah, so… how will they handle this? If they want to stick to actual ages then Paul would have to be around 50 years old if you want to stay age consistent. It just makes no sense to me… this idea of choosing Anya Taylor Joy to play a character that should be a child in the next story. So, I just don’t know what he is planning with that or how he expects to execute this.

[@badlaamaurukehu]

Casting seems to be a major issue with these movies. One of the first things that turned me off.

[@walterallen4069]

She looks pretty young, considering all the ancient ones in her cellular memory. The vision of, and when, Anya Taylor Joy on the beach was just that - a vision. So, what's with all the grief about her (apparent) age in Part One?

[@Stamboul]

"Dune Messiah" is the shortest book in the original series. I think there's plenty of room to add action scenes if, as with the previous 2 films, the adaptation is roughly 160 minutes, and maybe even if it comes in at less that 150 minutes.

[@Questionthis1]

Messiah isn’t devoid of action, there’s tons of it happening in the background it’s just not a part of what Herbert chose to engage with and instead more has characters sitting in their high towers. You could bring that conflict from the surface forward to the front of the story. Action sequences that are footnotes in the book but could be dialed way up are the rebel fremen tribes who oppose Paul. You could also really lean in to Scytale and give him much more of a menacing presence and add in scenes that show him more as a dangerous assassin type, which the books show through his inner monologues but a movie could show through more action. Could also give Bijaz less of a corny yet sinister jester role and more of a tool for Irulan’s conspiracy and stoking riots in the streets of Arrakeen. Wouldn’t mind seeing Paul do some cutthroat emperor stuff either.

[@BLF-x6fAllpplrn]

Well, apparently he has keeping casual fan interest in mind and probably what would satisfy the studio heads. Dune Messiah is not known to be a book heavy on action. They get on Herbert's son for his adding to the lore with his books. This could be troublesome.

[@humbleopulence]

Casual fans would enjoy the films more if they were true to the books. There is a reason why Dune is the seminal sci fi book and has been since its release.... Stop giving people that casual audience line... There is no such thing anymore Audiences are far more intelligent than the Hollywood greenlighters. We dont live in the 80s anymore, and not all of the world is America

[@Senbonzakura776]

Hi hopes for Messiah. I loved the first part of Dune, and enjoyed the 2nd part, though have not seen it since release.

[@Cethinn]

Given that Messiah is less than half the length of Dune, I do think there's room to add extra stuff happening elsewhere in the world. I don't really care for all the action added to Dune (part 2 in particular), but it wasn't bad. I could see scenes with the Jihad being thrown in just for the viewers who want that. I think it would be better for them to spend the time expanding things missing from the Dune movies (Mentats and Navigators in particular), but I'm doubtful that's going to happen.

[@lilwater7358]

I think we will see a lot of water symbolism and that ties back to the dschihad in the messiah book and also to the topics of the next two books

[@lewieanderson6579]

We need denis to do sicario 3

[@Cifer77]

This has me a bit worried, as Messiah seemed like it was mostly political intrigue, not action, to me I can only assume he's going to cover the Jihad on other worlds

[@epicparkourdewd]

There's the very dangerous and murderous main antagonist of Scytale who's sense of menace and threat will need to be built up with the movie going audience, as he has to be dispatched by the protagonist in the film's finale. That should provide some excellent opportunities

[@seannicholson8498]

There's more than enough action in Messiah

[@jeffreyroedel9804]

Paul narrating Part 3 would be genius. Instead of Irulan again. And that would further give each film in the series its own unique character. Yes I want the film to start with showing the Jihad escalating and the climax of the galactic battle. Jessica should be in this section and Stillgar and Gurney of course. Then maybe 30 min into the movie there's a time jump and the story picks up when Paul has been emperor for like a decade or more.

[@lucasdigital]

I think everyone wanted the Dune adaptation to be very faithful. It was! All the changes made sense. On the other hand, any adaptation of the later books will need substantial changes, and only the most extreme purists will be bothered.

[@di3486]

Went off the rails in the second movie. The changes made no sense. In contrast, The first one did an outstanding job.

[@TheVagabond627]

@di3486what changes didn’t make sense?

[@furredturgison5507]

My guess is that he might try to tell the story non-linearly, since Paul Atreides now experiences his life less and less linearly. The Jihad might occur at the end of the movie, with it leading up to the horror of it, which could provide context for his decisions.

[@elíasflynn]

Villeneuve is too hasty

[@jimmyandersson9938]

Not necessary bad news. I guess worst case is it turns out like the last movie in the Hobbit trioligy, a 3 hour long parkour / CGI battle scene but I doubt that, Villeneuve is to good.

[@paulhurst4445]

Another great review, Elaine. I prefer Villeneuve's version of events to Herbert's. I don't want to watch 2 hours of people talking to each other. I paid to see lots of knife fights and other sundry physical violence.

[@walterallen4069]

So, you paid to watch a part of the story. Oh, now I get it. Another reason to title it with "DV's Dune", because as shown in Parts One and Two, it IS DV's version, not FH's.

[@lsd_cloudman7957]

​@@walterallen4069Yup, that's what an adaptation is

[@nerminsnowhuseinbasic9340]

Fear is the mind killer.

[@rex-qo1eu]

Dune Messiah will have a part 1 and a part 2, remember this friends

[@rex-qo1eu]

i cant reveal more

[@robertsosna3994]

Frank Herbert had a way of scaling down battles. Combat is more on personal levels . The action is more internal.

[@miguelruiz8183]

Lets see some more Lasgun shoot outs, ship to ship combat, battle scenes, guild navigators lets go!!!!

[@TheDeadlyefx]

This ain’t Star Wars.

[@anarwally]

Please no.

[@henrymach]

Things I missed from the movie (part 2): Baby Alia, Feid's attempt of murder on the Baron, the Baron explaining his plan for Feid, the Mentats, the Space Guild. Things I REALLY didn't like about the movies (both): the time compression

[@bsmnt23]

Part 3 is all well and good. Are we ever going to get anything with that 40 or so film hours of cut footage that never made it into part one? There was so much that got glossed over in the first film to even make it into a 3 hour run time.

[@okcomputer0101]

Denis said that the next movie will fill in the blanks of what happened during the jihad. So I took that as he will have creative freedom to deliver more action.

[@chadkoon]

This makes me a little worried. If he's going to turn Messiah into a war epic, then I think it's going to fail. Which is sad, because Messiah is like the Godfather of the series because it's all about the behind the scenes and plotting. It needs to more more like Part 1 than Part 2.

[@rickbase833]

Mamoa is coming back.

[@DDR131]

I still think it's more of a this generation Titanic. It is much more intense love story.

[@walterallen4069]

A lot of comments in several KZbin videos discussing DV's version of the Dune story bemoan the use of Anya Taylor Joy in the vision where she's on the sandy beach, for lack of better description, appearing as older than Paul. At the time of the vision she's fetal. My point is this: What does the apparent age of the actress matter if 1) it is a vision; and 2) her character is already a Reverend Mother? The use of ATJ is entirely appropriate. She could be any age she wanted, considering how ancient she is in experience. This item is just a shiny object obscuring a whole list of more egregious faux pas DV is trying to sell us as "oh, this is so much better. This is what FH wanted," or, as we say in the U.S., "here, hold my beer. You're gonna love what I'm gonna do next."

[@davidpalmer4184]

I sort of feel sorry for Villeneuve as he had painted himself into a corner with Dune2. He did not know that there was going to be a Dune3 until near the end of production. If he had known I am sure he would have added a lot of "Intro scenes" to Dune2 to set up the next movie that he didn't know was already approved, it must suck to be a multi millionaire with an unlimited credit card... Poor guy!

[@thomas6502]

Denis has earned my trust. I'm excited to see where he chooses to go with Messiah!

[@TheDeadlyefx]

In Denis we trust 🤘🏾

[@BeauHancock-e5n]

I don't mean to be a stickler here, but the "atomics" used to defeat the emperor's forces were supposed to be stone burners with essentially no instruction other than to detonate... It's important that people understand the difference because a stone burner is no simple nuclear bomb, It's actually a multi abled nuclear fueled device that can even adjust it's range and do things that are not just simply blowing up or destroying all electronics, buildings, etc. One, it's called a stone burner because they are often used to destroy WHOLE PLANETS! Two, it's a violation of the great convention to use a stone burner as a bomb and outside general open warfare. Perhaps we will find out that the great houses didn't honor Paul's ascendency because he used atomics against the emperor. who knows.

[@sandrawarmbreath2013]

What if Paul and Chani reunite at Alia's birth? So Messiah isnt that meaty so there's room for it to start at Alia's birth with a lengthy meeting of Paul and Chani to reconcile, then cut to jihad scenes like when a stone burner at the battle of Naraz(?) sets up the later betrayal of one of the Fedaykin, also the battle where a Fremen see an ocean for the first time, and planets being destroyed interspersed with a few scenes of setting up Pauls govt with Stilgar and Korba, maybe quick scenes of the extensive construction at Arakeen, plus some scenes of Paul & Chani's new domestic life there and the begins of the discontent of the returning war veterans & the introduction of the other conspirators, Fremen losing their old ways, Alia's introduction as a teen age religious figure, Chani's battle with infertility and the all that brings us to the opening scenes of the Frank Herbert book scenes like Paul's anonymous walk through the streets and the extensive council meeting. That plus developing the conspirator's characters and motives is a lot of material to cover. This movie could interestingly have a lot more character development than the previous 2 movies had time for and that would be an exciting twist! Who wants 3 war movies when Messiah is really about the fascinating characters that spoil Paul's reign while he's making his decisions about the golden path, his turn to the dark side and allowing his domestic life to linger building to when he ultimately rejects it all! That would certainly bring Chani back with Paul very early rather than the 12 year time skip the book uses which makes for a difficult reunion between Paul & Chani plus Alia is introduced much earlier as a baby.

[@Agamon]

Urrrgh. I'm so done with Vileneuve's Dune. Leaving out the spacing guild was like leaving out Sauron from the lord of the rings.

[@badlaamaurukehu]

As a fan of the books and the 84 movie I am more and more feeling vindicated for skipping these in the theater. Much of the casting had annoyed me from the start.

[@tph1403]

Grrrrr😡 I'm so done with an objectively amazing film!!! Can't take it anymore aaaaaagh🤬

[@joetheperformer]

Some people will never be satisfied. And that’s okay.

[@di3486]

Absolutely. Dune 2 was a Massive disappointment, and I really liked the first movie.

[@lsd_cloudman7957]

Navigators were barely relevent in the first book, yall just wanna complain

[@maxmercer1931]

Villeneuve has to flesh out the Spacing Guild. If he doesn't do that, it will be to the detriment of the movie

[@maddasher8471]

Villeneuve about to do what peter jackson did with LOTR

[@WolfHowl71]

With the changes to part 1 and 2 that were made I must admit I am not optimistic. While I liked the ways 1 and 2 were done the changes left a bittersweet taste with me. I hope I am wrong and part 3 is fantastic.

[@di3486]

I have zero hope.

[@lawrencereid2767]

🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@kdog3908]

"Action packed." Why did I wince, slightly, at that? (Thanks for your work, Elaine!)

[@Hamza-rd6jk]

Because most movies use explosions that serve no purpose other than eye candy. DV has only included action as a story telling mechanic. The action in the movies always tells us something about the characters or advances the plot.

[@thecreativemastermin]

I didn't like the movie but I loved the Dune lore more due to videos you YTers make!

[@theharbinger00]

Unless he takes it into 2 films.

[@Lolatyou332]

I hope they don't ruin the 3rd one. The 1st / 2nd one are just too good. I'd argue it's this generations star-wars equivalent.

[@Stitchman3875]

My guess is that they'll incorporate plot points from Paul of Dune.

[@Knee-JerkReactor]

Christ. 🙄

[@TorontoHighGuy]

@@Stitchman3875 i liked that book. That'll be interesting

[@Stitchman3875]

@ I just heard plot points of it. But I gathered that since they talk of Paul’s first few years of his reign, that would be a good source.

[@Knee-JerkReactor]

@ Well, of course you did!