DUNE Prophecy Finale Reveals Desmond Hart's True Nature | My Thoughts

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[@TravisJohnsonncc1701]

I feel like we should give the show's adherence to Frank Herbert's writings a lot of leeway. This takes place 10,000 years before Paul. Only 100+ years since the end of the Jihad. That's room for a lot of history. Has the Orange Catholic Bible even been written yet?

[@quentincollins1825]

The only theory I can confidently put forward is that the Tleilaxu are neck deep in this whole business.

[@amardeep5821]

Tieilaxu or Ixians being involved would be logical but does not seem to be the case. They have not played any significant role so far.

[@quentincollins1825]

@amardeep5821 Yep, it could go anywhere. It's a good show overall...they keep us guessing. 🤔

[@jennabronson4704]

Also, I absolutely hate the “origin story” for the Litany, the Voice, and the breeding program. It’s so juvenile.

[@desmondbutler3959]

I don’t actually think Desmond was ever attacked by a sandworm and survived - that’s just a memory/vision that was implanted in his head along with the eye. And it makes complete sense narratively that people around the imperium would be using thinking machines with the war being relatively recent in the timeline

[@desmondbutler3959]

Also the “fear is the mind killer” explanation is great imo. Adds a double meaning as it’s actually killing them here. Plus it’s specific to the benefit gesserit and not humanity at large. I think it ties together nicely with Tula being the mother of this threat they’re facing, and you can argue that fear drove a lot of her decisions in the story

[@grognardattirant2446]

But there was also a video proof of the attack ?

[@desmondbutler3959]

@@grognardattirant2446 yes, my point is a thinking machine that is able to implant an eye carrying a nanotech virus into a human could pretty easily create the video and make him believe that’s what happened. If a sandworm actually attacks you, you don’t live to talk about it

[@desmondbutler3959]

@@grognardattirant2446 Desmond would need some explanation for his abilities, and given it’s well known he was a soldier on Arrakis what else makes sense? He can’t walk in and say “yeah some thinking machine gave me these abilities”

[@desmondbutler3959]

@@grognardattirant2446 so my point is it would be pretty easy for a thinking machine to create that video and make him believe that’s what happened if it can successfully implant an eye carrying a nanotech virus into the guy

[@lordcrunk4790]

Always include an opened ended mystery thing that can be interpreted into whatever way the show needs when it's committee written next season.

[@Istàpöbós]

I prefer to think “shat out by committee”

[@Drpenguin1009]

It has to be a tleilaxu master controlling the machine. The BT v BG storyline is key in Heretics and I think it would actually make this show good if they focused on this all male dominated society combating an all female society for control of “the shadows” in the imperium

[@shikari7]

Could be Ixian

[@tgiacin435]

I was thinking something similar

[@parkera0430]

That’s exactly what I was thinking! They could even oscillate between alliance and animosity like they do in Heretics

[@amardeep5821]

The twist that Desmond is the offspring of Harkonen and Asterides blood lines was great. Did not see that coming. His rebirth by something or someone was also great. What the director, show runners and story writers have done with season 1 is great. They way that they have potrayed thinking machines is breathtaking. Cant wait for S2. Writers/Directors are allowed creative liberties. They are telling a story afterall

[@stephenbailey9969]

Perhaps the writers themselves don't even know where they are going with it all. There was certainly a lot in the finale that didn't make sense. Lila/Dorotea knowing about the Sister massacre after she was already dead? The emperor committing suicide? Etc.

[@xdecroix]

it's cute, the hopes you have. It's Erasmus. They're neither original nor do they understand Dune. To me, they're just riding a wave made of the success of the movies.

[@HainishMentat]

Alas, I think you're right. It's probably Erasmus.

[@kristijan8518]

How did Desmond go from being swallowed by a worm, to getting surgery for the nano bots? Why was everyone getting the same dream? What does the worm has to do with anything?

[@tgiacin435]

All will be revealed. The thing must take its course.

[@D7fromGuild]

Desmond has an insane amount of plot armor. 1. Eaten by a worm? Doesn't kill him. 2. Blown up? Doesn't kill him. 3. Stabbed in the gut with a sword? Doesn't kill him. 4. Javico says activating the virus again might kill him? He activates it again a few times and it doesn't kill him. I dislike the character. Dude is laughably overpowered.

[@ewarrior9776]

He's a ghola or being swollowed by a worm is an implanted memory.

[@tgiacin435]

@ most of Desmond’s backstory is a mystery. And Javico was referring to the extent of how he used it. A couple of people isn’t a big deal, but a whole room of people? That’s gonna cause more strain and damage. For all we know, he is probably a ghola who gets little glimpses of his past life much like how Hayt would in messiah. Plot armor is what Arya Stark had in game of thrones season 8 when she is the only person not getting burned by dragon fire. Fire hot enough to melt stone

[@tgiacin435]

@@ewarrior9776 then that would mean the footage Javico watched was faked. I’m kinda leaning towards him being a ghola. But only time will tell

[@KentoLeoDragon]

Interesting Desmond claims to hate thinking machine tech yet he gave the Harkonnen nephew machine tech. At first I thought he was manipulated into thinking his powers were a gift from God, but if he's got other machine tech he's using he doesn't seem that innocent.

[@Hellish-qx4eq]

It's not a thinking machine. It's a recording device.

[@KentoLeoDragon]

@@Hellish-qx4eq Isn't it thinking machine technology? It looked like nano tech that transformed itself. I don't think that's normal tech in the Imperium.

[@michaelallen434]

The stance against thinking machines is more of a way of manipulating the emperor to achieve Desmond’s goals

[@v4skunk739]

Huge difference between a thinking machine and a machine like a computer.

[@FatManJackson]

@@v4skunk739 true, but in the universe of Dune they treat almost ALL technology as "thinking machines". So computers are also banned. Thats why they use Mentats (human computers) instead of actual electrical computing systems.

[@onefansview9874]

I remember reading the Dune paperback at my uncle’s house in 84. He also had Heinlein and Asimov aplenty. That summer, I understood the difference between ‘soft’ and ‘hard’ sci-fi. I like them both. Brian and Kevin do hard sci-fi. If the writers on this show can bridge the gap, and set society on a path that 10,000 years in the future looks like Dune, I’ll be impressed. Each of Frank’s books was wildly different from the previous, to my eyes, so I give these writers the same benefit of the doubt and watch to see the results. Since the last episode was the best, I’m hopeful.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

Just an fyi. The show absolutely did not do that 😂 the show is REALLY bad

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

This show is trash. Really nothing much changed over 10,000 years? Pathetic, a tragedy and injustice. It’s graping Dune right infront of you and you clap like a seal.

[@TheCraigWilson]

Considering that this show is clearly incorporating Brian's work, my first thought was that the mysterious figure is Daniel (Omnius). However while watching this video the thought occurred to me that this silhouette of the figure looks like Bena Gesserit robes, so what if it's Valya?

[@lsdeann_3293]

I don't like that they left unanswered questions and didn't resolve the story without knowing whether they would have a season 2. If they hadn't just been renewed, they would have moved on and left us hanging forever? It makes me question whether they even have the answers or plans for the rest of the story themselves.

[@richardjohnson9367]

Season 2 had already been green lit

[@thetawaves247]

That's a risk most shows have to take if they want to tell a story that is greater in scope than a miniseries. There are rough plans for where they want to head with the story, but with each season the writers have to find a way to adapt to budgets, schedules and any number of things that can happen in between seasons.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

They don’t! That’s the secret! It’s for money not because they love Dune 😂

[@stitch3163]

Thanks and Merry Christmas, Elaine.

[@seanbrazell7095]

Just because the hooded figure was watching doesn't mean it was controlling the operating robot.

[@D7fromGuild]

I think it's Lila's mother (another commenter mentioned this idea first).

[@GarranTana]

Yes it does in a shitty show like this..

[@tgiacin435]

@@GarranTanathe hell are you talking about

[@GarranTana]

@@tgiacin435 It's easy to know what you can expect / predict in a low quality story.

[@tgiacin435]

@@GarranTana so you didn’t watch it then

[@ianmccourry9337]

I personally don't mind the nano machine explanation. I much prefer that sci fi answer than Desmond using literal sorcery to light people on fire. A middle ground could be an X-files like power where he can cause spontaneous combustion in others somehow, but that isnt really removed from the sorcery explanation.

[@johnfoolery]

I think it's Erasmus.

[@tgiacin435]

I don’t think so, at least not the Erasmus from the bj. That Erasmus died in the books, while a copy would wait in deep space for the next 15000+ years while Omnius rebuilt the machine empire. And unlike Omnius, Erasmus was basically one of a kind

[@hamdinger7145]

Great show. Can't wait for season 2

[@TheErsdot]

Thinking the hooded figure is a Tlielaxu Master. They hate the Bene Geseerit and tick all of the boxes as to genetic manipulation and biomechanics engineering. I thought overall the series was solid but bot great. Writing was too inconsistent. Acting was pretty good, especially Ragnar and Tula.

[@PhillipMoore-vj6cc]

Okay, so I didn't read the books. But, what I was picking up from the content providers, was that the Bene Geserate (sp) were supposed to be superior fighters. But, so far, in the movies and the TV series, they are not. Also, they are supposed to be super sensitive. So, how could someone sneak up on you and jab you with a Ben Jabbar (sp). BG should know when a person enters the room regardless of what they are doing. (even grieving )

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

This show is set 10,000 years before Paul ( so the 2 newest dune movies” An 30 years after the butlerian jihad So we are seeing a very early version of the sisterhood who have not yet become the bene geserate

[@lsd_cloudman7957]

Also the father of her son literally stabbed himself right in front of her, bene gesserit or not let's give her a break 😭

[@PhillipMoore-vj6cc]

@lsd_cloudman7957 Wait, what?! Sooooooo, you're not only a super trained person who is so aware of their surroundings, that nobody can lie in front of them, and they can literally control people with their voice (to the extent they can tell a person to kill themselves), can drink poison and change it on a molecular level, and mentally determin the sex of their child in the womb. Yet, we are supposed to believe that because they saw someone kill themselves, they were sooooooo upset, that they let a spoiled non trained person , walk up on her, and kill her. NO! That's BAD writing. Too many people are like "if it were me." Unless you have thousands of years of genetic engineering, and have been trained since birth, to have total control and be super sensitive, it can't be YOU. No breaks givin.

[@PhillipMoore-vj6cc]

@ComradeCommissarYuri Thank you for your explaination. Makes better sense to me now..

[@marcanders9611]

It's been my Hope and dreams at the series will come into a certain kind of fruition. The dune series both the original and prequels are quintessential world building story lines. It cannot be rushed or condensed truly. I have enjoyed watching dune prophecy but I have not found a certain passion for it. But I am invested to the end of the season and I'm willing to give it another chance.

[@robmsmithdumbhandle]

Always love your videos, Ms. Cookies! Keep it up! ......Are you feeling well? You sound like you might have a cold.

[@_robustus_]

But HOW does he do it from all the way across the known universe?

[@giada951]

I find hard to believe that a thinking machine was hidden inside the worm. If Desmond's memory is accurate than what happened to him was somewhere else on Arrakis because he was tied to a bed or an operating table in a room and someone else was watching him. It's possible that he was first swallowed by the worm but he didn't remember exactly what happened to him there because he was almost "dead" and kept alive with spice (remember Rachella's prophecy) and after that he was taken by the mysterious enemy that did that thing to his eye and that's when he regained consciousness. That said, I don't think the worm attack was a false memory and I don't even think the video Javicco saw was fake because it also showed the disaster caused by the rebel attack on the harvester that killed everyone who was with Desmond and we found out that attack was orchestrated by the Bene Gesserit. The attack happened right before the worm's arrival so nothing that has been showed in the video could be fake.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

We need to see a cut of Valya seeing what happened to Desmond but instead of seeing the machine working on him She sees scenes from raised by wolves like that one where he was floating upside down 😂

[@andrewlim9345]

Thanks for demystifying the origins of Desmon Hart. Duned Prophecy was fascinating but multi-layerwd and confusing at times.

[@cepopeye]

I can’t wait for Fervant Space nuns discussing oaths for another 8 hours next year

[@rickbase833]

For the faction that is hoping for a series about the Butlerian Jihad, i dont think producers can do it justice in light of the fact there have been so many Hollywood stories featuring machines against humanity.

[@abcun17]

Now that the season is done and I've had a chance to see all episodes, I can certainly say that I most definitely like this show. Do I love it? No, but I think there is a lot of potential there. The season is clearly uneven and the show's troubled production is quite apparent when watching. However for someone like me who is not steeped in the "Dune" lore and universe (I'm not judging Frank Herbert's original novels versus those of Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson...since I haven't ready any of them) and is at most a tourist, the show did manage to get and keep my attention. As I've said,a flawed series that has the possibility to improve and grow. "Dune Prophecy" reminds me in some ways of "Caprica" (2009) the prequel series to "Battlestar Galactica" (though I liked "Caprica" more) and I mean that as a compliment.

[@ibnsabeel9466]

They pulled it out of the dumpster with this last episode. They still gave us more contrived scenes though. HBO/MAX is a of trick with a little bit of treat.

12:45 THANK YOU 👏👏 I couldn't have said it better myself 😅

[@bennygerow]

This episode blew my mind! Really great end to a season with ups and downs, but the story paid off in a big for me.

[@grognardattirant2446]

The mysterious figure looks surprinsingly like a Guild Navigator from the movies to me.

[@mishlenlinden]

I think Vayla is about to establish the missionaria protectiva on Dune.

[@NatHazel]

So based on Kasha’s vision before she died. Her’s is also coming to pass somewhat. Her fear was losing Nez, and she was swallowed by a sandworm in the vision. Now she Vayla and the atreadis sword master are on Arrakis. So there is this potential plot thread still kind of in the works for the future. I’m thinking season 2 will see the litany against fear be established, as well as the spice agony and the protectiva come into play for the Arrakis storyline. It’s a safe bet to stay in line with what is as well kind of explain the potential mistrust between fremen and BG (at least this is all my own speculation, I’d rather see connections to Frank’s work, but I’m just pointing out the most logical way they’ll probably lean) Though very much that is still up in the air with other characters is concerning.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

From here it was said Tula sent Desmond… an how he says what his childhood was like.. How do we know his childhood memories hadn’t been altered?

[@rouxdthefoodie3047]

I’ll never understand the weird hate for thinking machines being portrayed in Brian’s stories… Frank literally states in his Dune series that humanity was enslaved by thinking machines and was ruled over for thousands. It wasn’t until humans rebelled and overthrew their thinking machines slave masters during the butlerian jihad that humanity started to development things like mentats and navigators. It all syncs up perfectly with Frank’s description of things prior to Dune book 1.

[@shanenolan5625]

Something to do with the imperial desert botanical base's ? ( man , controlling the machine) no doubt the freman are going to receive a wild reverend mother, or thewill find and manipulate the freman , and give the freman combat skills, like ginaz sword master level ability, valya will plant the lisan al giab , ( based on her atreides / harkonan ) idea , Season two thoughs

[@rondickey7116]

I really can't decide, who will benefit, from all of this planning.

[@DDanV]

I have to say, the show in these last two episodes unraveled in a surprising and fantastic way. I'll be honest, I was hating the feeling of this being Hogwarts in space but these last 2 episodes explained it all and the threads made it back to being a Dunesque story, superhuman not supernatural. I'm all giddy now, I'm loving it and am ashamed I was not able to see it being possible to be a virus, and even the "eyes" were just the visual memory imprinted in the virus from when it bounded with Desmond Hart eye when it was weaponized by the unknown figure. I even let the face dancer pass, as it was an experiment still and the BG raided the compound and saved her, so it's still possible that canonically the face dancers still only appear in a few thousand years in the future again and not so early on. Heck yeah! We have Duniverse again!!!

[@jamesc.3295]

Remember there was mention of the "Mentat Sisters" when referring to records kept. It sounded like a breadcrumb for future seasons to me.

[@tomambrosio5527]

Keep up the good fight, NC.

[@joer1402]

So, I like this series, Prophecy, even with all its digressions from the original narratives. Somehow in spite of imagination deprived studio executives (haven't they always been), this show made a valiant and I think ultimately successful effort to be more than your average run of the mill sci-fi show, and the performances were all great. Personally, I'm glad they went for a second season. It may not survive beyond that but I''ll take it.

[@David-ei5tz]

That was a finale?

[@brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882]

I only have a Spotify subscription and I don't watch television anymore, I mostly watch KZbin.

[@cmcp975]

After tens of thousands of years of technological advancement and dependency across worlds, I find zero fault with the depiction of continued use of technology only a few decades after TBJ. The belief systems that arose during TBJ would make the elimination of thinking machines a continuously evolving pursuit of purification and work-arounds over the thousands of years up to Muad Dib.

[@xhinoteque]

I think you are missing the point though. I think for humanity to regress to his old ways is also a Herbert theme all over the OG saga. And I think that this path to the order we see there, this kinda make sense. And also we know, by the god emperor's own words to Siona, that the machines never went away really, just exile to the fringes of the empirium, to rise once more at the end. Kinda make sense, and some pretty clever writing at some points. I wish the special effects were better though. we need to see more scale. I like the idea that the empirium got bigger not because of House Corrino, but by the Bene Gesserit order using the Landsraad to his favor, while also having their own internal crisis between sisters. That's very Herbert-rian lol Hoping they don't ruin the hooded guy plotline

[@maxtran7441]

Hopefully the figure is a bene tleilaxu and theodosia is a double agent because surely whoever is behind DH does not just place their bet in one person, right? That would also make sense that since theodosia is a primitive form of a face dancer, she still has to obey her master, so we will have nice subplot for Theo as well.

[@solarydays]

clever writing? they can't write a conversation that doesn't contradict itself, or events they showcased minutes earlier. I don't see how any of this is "Herbert-ian" when the prequel novels are so bad most don't consider it cannot. And then the show makes it a mission to brake the lore in even that.

[@DjRenect]

I thought the blue eyes were referring to someone on Arakis. Perhaps a vision of who is yet to come. This is a little dull, but I hope season 2 (if we get it) could expand on that background.

[@chasx7062]

season 2 is greenlit already

[@DjRenect]

@@chasx7062 Nice to hear, thanks :)

[@csullivan626]

Ugg no. He didn’t get killed by sandstorm it was a false memory. Why are so many people not getting that?

[@halohaalo2583]

but there was a video

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

Explain the recording Javico sees in his office back in episode 1

[@csullivan626]

@ sure. Today, with today’s tech, we can fake video. Not memory but video. So a false memory is more difficult to fake. If you are on board with the false memory believing in a false video should be easy….

[@thesean3194]

There were many people who said the book this show was based off of was the best Dune book. I am starting to think a lot of Dune “fans” have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

[@pilotpig9167]

At 10:20 I completely understand your point, but I think they have made a few small mentions of how the religious people like dorotea and the butlerians are the ones right now who have the hate for thinking machines. You are right though, it would make a lot more sense if most of the imperium hated them (besides the ixians and tleilaxu maybe).

[@lordcrunk4790]

All the events that happen in this series take place in 4 days.

[@D3athW1ng]

I think it's fine that we know it's a machine and someone else is pulling the strings. The series is cool.

[@jennabronson4704]

Prophecy is just bad Dune fanfic. So few people understand Frank Herbert’s themes that it’s going to take someone of practically the same talent as his to do the works any real justice.

[@shanenolan5625]

Thanks Elaine

[@MrWolfman229]

Called it. Lol. Disappointed I was right and they already revealed it.

[@Biblical_Hippie]

for me the biggest disappointment was that the show didnt feel old. its supposed to be 10000 into the past yet it didnt feel that way

[@MaharionPendragon]

Just one comment on what you said on the Litany Against Fear. I think you are incorrect that the Litany is a means for improvement of humanity as a whole. The Litany is a tool only reserved for the Bene Gesserit; it was never taught to anyone outside the Sisterhood. From this point of view, the Litany was never meant to improve humanity. It was always a Bene Gesserit-only tool

[@Albertius-Omygod]

The HOODED FIGURE has a small glowing light ball in the chest area. What is this??

[@JasniaL]

I don't think the practical explanation of fear being the mind killer doesn't take away from the mantra. Humans love to take a natural occurrence and make them super natural. Its makes me think of when the church in England? (Can't remember) burned but the gold cross in the church didn't burn. Christians took that as a sign that God protected the cross when in reality the fire didn't burn hot enough to burn the cross. So it doesn't surprise me that zealots would take something like a killer virus and make it the cornerstone of their religion.

[@amardeep5821]

It is not a natural killer virus rather it is a nano-thinking-machine cum virus.

[@jeremyevans8374]

I don't think this show is going to ascend anywhere near to the Heights that you are hoping. And that's unfortunate. Emily Watson and Olivia Williams are great actresses and their talent is wasted here. Travis Fimmel is basically doing his Ragnar Lothbrook routine. Jessica Barden is just awful as a young Valia. Of course the problem is that Valia is just a crappy character to begin with. The Desmond 'reveal' is just frustrating with its silhouette of a hooded figure. What I think is going to happen, is that all of the reveals will have some kind of silhouette of a hooded figure in it that just raises more questions than answers. I think it's just going to be more in the tradition of Lost, Battlestar Galactica, the Star Wars sequel trilogy, the most recent season of true Detective, and other shows that create mystery for the sake of mystery for purposes of padding the runtime, getting people to debate various theories, and hooking people in to watch in the hopes that the final reveal won't be something banal but instead something really profound and entertaining. Instead it will just be something anticlimactic (because we just gotta subvert those expectations). There won't be a guild navigator, there won't be Vorian Atreides (just the Bro-ish Karien Atreides) and we won't see a Tleilaxu master. Or maybe they won't even have a big reveal at the end at all and just leave everything 'open ended' and call it an artistic choice rather than lazy writing. All the while, we'll get this portentous, on-the-nose script that tells rather than shows. I was hopeful before but I am not now. The pre-production drama was definitely a red flag. If you read the wiki, it seems that the drama started with criticism that there were not enough female creatives. And, over time, all the male creatives were replaced by female ones. That is a strong indicator that there are political motivations going on behind the scenes and that just basically poisons everything. It's different than just having an idea that happened to be conceived by a woman like Hungar Games. In that case it's the idea that matters, not the person who came up with it. This is more like "No. We need to have a woman coming up with the ideas." That's identity politics. Identity politics ruins creativity. That's what's happening here only this time it's happening to a lore that I have loved for my entire adult life. I bet you none of the creatives involved in this show ever read Dune until they were hired. And that's probably the whole point.

[@jabarimuhammad]

Is there any interview or publication where Brian says why he went his way in the stories?

[@D7fromGuild]

Because Brian claims to have found his father's notes for Dune 7 in a bank deposit safe. However... Brian's version of Dune 7 is directly inconsistent with the Frank authored events of Frank Dune 6. More specifically speaking, two villain characters of D6 were completely rewritten for D7 as entirely different types of people than what Frank explicitly wrote them as in D6. So, my overall point here is that Brian Herbert is always lying his ass off. Literally everything that comes out of his mouth is a disgrace to his father's legacy. He has actually sued people for making Dune costumes in video games. His father Frank gave away the Dune rights to make games for Sega Genesis and PC while he was alive. There is a massive talent gap and ego gap between Father and son. Father was a genius, humble writer with no ego. Son is a horrible writer with a planet sized ego. Anyway, all Brian did was watch Terminator movies 1 and 2 and slap those events onto the beginning and end of the Frank Herbert Dune timeline. And then inside the Frank Herbert timeline, Brian explained away every drop of mystique into some 7th grade literal explanation of the concept. And worse ... There is no point at all to any Brian Herbert Dune book. None of them have a theme. None of them ask a question to the reader. They are simply this.... And then this happened, and then this happened, and then this happened, and then this happened, and then this happened... Nothing Brian writes means anything. All the original Dune themes (human evolution in the absence of relying on machines, humans in a symbiotic relationship with their environments and planets effect their belief systems, feudalism, corporations having too much control over the government while operating unchecked from the shadows, addiction (spice as fill in for drugs), dependency on natural resources for travel and industry (again, spice used for oil this time).... All of this lost on Brian. Brian just slapped the same last names on ancestor characters and added dumb Terminator events to the series. Frank's Butlerian Jihad was about humans suffering from decreased ability to create (think playing music, think writing poetry, coming up with improved forms of government) and wiping out artificial intelligence to get their human ability to evolve back. Frank's Butlerian Jihad and zero to do with fighting Terminators. There was a much greater point that Frank was making with the Butlerian Jihad. So ultimately, even if Brian answered your question... He's such a lying greedy piece of crap of a person that it wouldn't even matter what he told you. He has no respect for his father's work and in his own words didn't read Dune at all until his Dad was nearly dead from cancer. For the first 40.years of Brian's life he was in the insurance business. Then he became... Wait for it.... A "Dune author". His words not mine. As far as I'm concerned he isn't even an author.

[@SweetandFullofGrace]

@@D7fromGuild Wait he claimed bank deposits thing? The last interview Frank gave was that D7 was suppose to be about of political system he envisioned. I didnt know those things about Brian, I knew he wasnt really interested on Dune, it really seems weird that he was a late bloomer for writing, I mean it happens but it kind of feels like a grift to pump out gazillion different dune books, comics, selling rights to different games. Somehow his match with Kevin (SW writer) was not a good fit. If Herberts somewhat weird style is exotic fine dining, Brian and Kevin are just bad fast food burgers. Have you read any of Brians own books? I tried to read his Dune books but, they felt just waste of time for me.

[@D7fromGuild]

​@@SweetandFullofGraceI attempted to read Paul of Dune for the sole reason of seeing what might be included in the DV Dune 3 movie. I finished a few pages and then put the book in the recycling bin to honor Frank's memory. The bank notes story is very real. Google search Dune 7 notes and you can even see a copy of the notes on a floppy disk labelled in Frank's handwriting. But idiot Brian either didn't read them or threw them away because the Terminator b.s. and the two Terminators he chose (Daniel and Marty) are both clearly described and featured in D6 where both are facedancers that escaped their Bene Tleilax masters. As in, Daniel and Marty literally recap their own backstory while briefly interacting with Duncan Idaho near the end of D6. Idiot boy Brian changed their names to Ominous and Erasmus. They are both Ultra powered million year old Terminators who fought in a war against humanity on modern day earth.... Which literally happens in both major Terminator movies made by James Cameron. Anyway, yeah everything Brian says or writes is horse crap. He never read his own father's books as a child or young adult. He was an insurance salesman for almost 25 years before magically becoming an author after his Dad died. He could have just allowed great writers to finish or deepen the Dune timeline... But no. Instead he chose to be an author and write at a 7th grade level and absolutely crap on everything his father did by reducing an amazing fictional universe to this .. Machines are bad. Humans are good.

[@v4skunk739]

The Butlerian Jihad was about people (Titans) using thinking machines to enslave humanity but humanity fought back.

[@haplozetetic9519]

There was no intent for that mentioned before the prequel novels by the new authors. The Original intent was that people were becoming ignorant and incompetent at anything that required education such as higher mathematics & engineering because computers were doing that for them. When it became obvious that they were unable to keep growing as a species, some finally realized that they needed to re-learn how to think for themselves. These people concluded that it was necessary to rid humanity of the crutches of computers, but some disagreed. The Butlerian Jihad was supporters of the idea vs those who wished to keep computers, not idiot brains stuck into machines like some comic book for kids. Those whose memories are better than mine can correct any of this if it is incorrect.

[@D7fromGuild]

The Terminator ripoff version of the Butlerian Jihad was pure Brian Herbert. The original idea for the Butlerian Jihad was more like humans smashing their smart phones and learning how to play musical instruments again. Brian Herbert quite literally just copied the entire premise of James Cameron's Terminator movies and slapped it onto Dune.

[@haplozetetic9519]

@@D7fromGuild Sounds about right to me.

[@champisthebunny6003]

​@@haplozetetic9519you get it. The jihad was about eliminating the god of machine logic, which had made humans lazy, decadent and not terribly capable. The enslavement of humanity was one of dependence.

[@DimaBulwinklBochk0]

@@haplozetetic9519 accurate if you remove the unimportant Titans reference, the Jihad was about humanity fighting back against people who used thinking machines to enslave it. “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” This is a direct quote from "Dune" by Frank Herbert.

[@SageShadow096]

Always knew it was nano tech. But like by this period it’s like they don’t have any imagination of how he could kill with just a thought lol. AND rubbing his head for that matter , indicating some type of control. Hilarious that the emperor didn’t screen his own soldier/ bashar for weapons, or that he was a carrier of a banned weapon. 😂

[@SirAanonym]

3:13 Eyes of Ibad? More like Eyes of I-nasty. 👀

[@Dogspark841]

This show was a bit all over the place. It was entertaining in general, but the more you appreciate Frank Herbert's Dune and Denis' movies the less I'd recommend this show. What makes great art so great is that it's open to interpretation. Having discussions about the intricacies and subtleties of art and it's meanings, or what it means specifically to the individual engaging with it, is what makes good art so .. good. To over-explain some of the finest points of the Dune books and Denis' movies... that's just painful to see. In a complete vacuum I'd give this show a 7.5 or 8/10. Taking into consideration the original books and Denis' movies, i'd drop that to a 5.5 or 6/10.

[@mpalfadel2008]

You can’t see how society realized they were enslaved? Not sure what you mean… Vorian’s father Agamemnon ruled directly for a couple hundred years while Ominous ruled for about 1,400 years give er take Can you clarify?

[@user-yw9ys3dz7x]

So what did the sisters see for eyes if the eyes were Desmond Hart's blurred vision? Why would the sisters see his vision?

[@D7fromGuild]

I wondered that too. Maybe that will get explained why Dez' two greatest fears (getting swallowed by the worm and being on the operating table getting eye surgery) are part of what everyone sees (except Valya and Kasha do have their own different nightmare scenes - Valya on the ice in rough weather and Kasha being underneath Inez somewhere where sand is falling on her.

[@DanniDusette]

Because the script says so. Gotta keep churning out them mystery boxes. Now they have some time to figure out six or seven other boring subplots to play with before getting to the real story in like season 4 or 5.

[@i_crave_death4660]

Well one of them said god. I’m guessing they mistook the robots eyes for regular eyes since they only saw a little bit of Desmond’s memories whereas Valya could see all of it. It’s probably playing on the “bene gesserit controlling everything behind the scenes” like they’re gonna calm the girls down by making them believe it was a prophecy. Edit: it could also be Dorotea who makes them believe it’s a prophecy since she “back” and was more religious than valya

[@user-yw9ys3dz7x]

@@i_crave_death4660 But how are they even seeing his memories?

[@i_crave_death4660]

@@user-yw9ys3dz7x honestly idk they’re probably saving it for next season since they made it seem like it was more important? If that makes sense. Like I think because Valya has more years practicing the sisterhood techniques, isn’t really religious, and is entirely ambitious to follow Raquella’s plan that I think she was able to see passed the blue eyes sequence and was able to see what was really behind it. Where as the sister acolytes see it more in a religious lens. Idk 😭😭😭 I was more into the philosophical side of it prior to this episode and thought it he was the Proto- kwistaz haderach

[@adventuresinAI1982]

Maybe the cloaked figure is the Atriedes that got away from Tula.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

You mean the kid she let go? We met him he’s Kieran’s grandfather or uncle.. one of the lanzrad

[@adventuresinAI1982]

@@ComradeCommissarYuri Hmm. Would have thought he'd only be a decade or so older than Desmond, though could have been a very young grandfather. But Kieran is what, early 30s? Desmond maybe 10 years older? Something about the timeline isn't lining up for it to be the Grandfather. So Uncle maybe, as you said. He could STILL be the cloaked figure, but since we only briefly saw them, seems unlikely. I imagine if he was the writers would have put more attention on him.

[@halloweye4613]

I called it!

[@maxtran7441]

I don’t agree that we don’t need a literal origin of the litany against fear. We cannot have a philosophy out of nowhere. DH is literally the source of why the sisters have been dying because they cannot overcome their fear. Why can’t they learn from this experience to create the litany against fear and make that their philosophy which helps them fight the virus?

[@aimmingo]

IMO it would make sense that this is part of their mantra and culture much like the hatred of thinking machines. Over the course of 10,000 years, the method to overcome the Ominus plague may have been blended with it becoming a tenet of humanity.

[@zvorenergy]

It would be just like the Ixians or Tleilaxu. Sneaky.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

I agree completely with Elaine that the attempted rewrite of the Litany Against Fear from a philosophy of how to maintain one's clarity of thought and action unclouded by fear to some sort of defensive measure against a nano-tech bio-weapon that attacks the fear centers of the brain does miss the point entirely, and indeed is symptomatic of the unfortunate trend, present in so many modern attempts to adapt classic works, to assume that the audience is far too stupid to grasp the more sophisticated and nuanced aspects of the original work, so these elements have to be dumbed down to make them intelligible for the supposedly inherently intellectually inferior contemporary audience. We see it here with the treatment of the Litany Against Fear, we see it in Villeneuve's Dune movies with the heavy handed rewrite of Paul and Chani's characters (among others) to crudely hammer home the idea that Paul is obviously this sinister, dangerous figure instead of allowing the perilous character of charismatic leadership to become evident to the reader (and so in any adaptation, to the viewer) over time as Frank Herbert originally intended, and we see it in Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson's expanded Dune universe with the re-framing of the Butlerian Jihad as a Terminator style war against the machines instead of the original notion of a drive to prevent humans becoming dependent on thinking machines such that their own mental and physical abilities atrophy in a manner that makes it easy for other humans to use that dependency to control them.

[@Stitchman3875]

Maybe the hooded figure was Dorotea?

[@CrimsonJackal]

Dorothea’s daughter maybe. Dorothea is dead.

[@DeniseCataudella]

I really hated the reveal about the blue eyes. Hoped there would’ve been a link to Leto II but the show kept defaulting to the less imaginative fanfic that BH/JHA have written about man vs. machine without any of the subtlety that we found in Herbert’s work. They should’ve lead with an episode dedicated to the Butlerian Jihad so people would have some context about why this society despises machines. A missed opportunity to really tie the show to Herbert’s original universe. What we were left with was confusing. The show mentioned Mentat sisters briefly when they figured so importantly in Dune yet seeing all the tech being used, including Desmond giving Harrow that recording device, the fear of machines feels out of context. The last complaint is the waste of Sister Theodosia. They set us up with such a breathtaking reveal about who she is and then let us down in the finale. Such clumsy writing. The attempt to keep dumbing down Herbert’s brilliant concepts is obvious. The show-runners need to determine whose story they’re telling. Frank Herbert’s or BK/KJA? There seems to be a conflict there which made the writing uneven though out the season. The show’s main success was an accurate depiction of some of the spectacular imagery from Denis Villeneuve’s vision for the Dune movies.

[@D7fromGuild]

​@@CrimsonJackal I like your theory a lot!

[@pathfinder2reality]

@@D7fromGuild Imagine if Dorothea's daughter is also an Abomination and possessed by her Ego Memory. We could have TWO Dorotheas at the same time. One in Lila and one in her mother, daughter of Dorothea. Such a thing, although possible was NEVER mentioned in Dune lore.

[@Stitchman3875]

@@pathfinder2reality that’s what I was alluding to. We’ll just have to wait until S2.

[@willardsteele4857]

If a company decides to start a project like this, they need to throw money at an established script writer: Milius ( probably too old now). , Eggars, j Michael Strazinski ( how ever you spell his name). You need a big name like those guys.

[@D7fromGuild]

This was the original plan. Then a woke mob demanded more female writers. True story. Delayed production and derailed the show in the name of woke nonsense. I mean this is a show about women starring women. It wasn't enough for the woke mob though. The writers had to be women too.

[@CantankerousDave]

@@D7fromGuildno mention of DEI? No bingo for you.

[@TheTimeshadows]

Why are there Bene Geserit sisters espousing belief in their mythological god which they sow among humanity as a control method, and why would the 10k yesr distant god emperor figure into this story when it hadn't figured into jessica and paul's era until paul had undergone the first successful transmuation by a male? None of that makes any sense unless brian and kevin's writings feature that out of sequence material.

[@joshuabrzezinski2828]

Wow, this show was terrible from beginning to end! HBO does some great shows but they sure missed the mark here. The writing, the acting, the story, bad, bad, bad!!

[@jayk9068]

They might've been trying to see what worked, but they gotta stop with the brian books. Valya's backstory and family stuff was weak. And all the superficial attempts at politicking. But get them slowly discovering everything. Even over explaining the litany of fear would be okay if they all forgot in the next 10K years so that it still is a cultural and thematic thing. Maybe even inspiration for doing more with genetics/biology to beat and no longer have support for the remnants of the machines. Just never get into Vorian, Erasmus or anything like that! And stick with Frank's themes of human exceptionality and predisposition toward tyranny. And maybe ensure the details are lost in time even if the audience gets overexplanations. Loved hearing your insights and keeping this show fun despite its superficial nature versus these videos.

[@paulstump6323]

Someone educate me please. Francesca's garb was black. I assumed that meant she was a reverend mother. Yet she succumbed easily to poison when , by definition, a reverend mother...

[@LolitaDavidovich934]

It was cyanide, cyanide binds to the hemoglobin molecule, your cells starve for oxygen at the cellular level. What a wimp the emperor was. I am not fond of the righteous path the Lila storyline is developing into.

[@SweetandFullofGrace]

Dont try to make sense on shitty writing. You will only waste your time.

[@timfink75]

I’m glad someone else mentioned this because I had the same thought

[@Drpenguin1009]

I mean she could also not be dead. They could write her back in saying she underwent the agony (or synthesized the poison if she was already a RM). She appeared dead as that is what they are trained to do, shut down their metabolism to the point of appearing dead so they can have time to mute the poison

[@benjaminattwell1430]

This is beyond disappointing. Ugh! Why Brian Herbert?! Why?

[@stephensmith4025]

I don’t know what this series was. But it wasn’t Dune. Since when are there female Mentats? It kills me.

[@lsd_cloudman7957]

Really? That's the nitpick u decided to comment?

[@AMx4q]

The eyes don't look the same. It might be a false lead to make us believe that these blue eyes were from a machine.

[@beauhancock4922]

I believe I get ego kudos for properly identifying the eyes as a thinking machine in the first episode... THIS is all i have Elaine! As a swordmaster of the nerd cookie, I demand satisfaction!!! lol Nah, But I did called that while everyone was saying it was Leto II... LOL p-lea-se! He can look back, but he can't change it and that's literally what was addressed right after that line about Arafel in the book.

[@NerdCookies]

Kudos to you!!! How about this idea though. Anyone who has a form of prescience through dreams might be able to get a glimpse of the God Emperor by looking in the future. Then it's not really him looking back as much as them looking forward. So I think it's fun to speculate how the God Emperor thing might still be possible even if it's totally not the writers' intention.

[@beauhancock4922]

@@NerdCookies It's an interesting take! I'm thinking an Ixian had a hand in what made Desmond Hart. I am surprised to say I really wanna see how this pans out. Episode one almost lost me with a few things but I'm glad they filled in the gaps, so to say. I too would rather they stick to the fact that Omnious and Erasmus are off doing whatever for the next 14,000 years or so and instead refocus on human advancement. The formations of the various organizations. There were Ginez mercenaries in the Jihad. Yet I haven't heard them mentioned. I heard them mention Mentats, but the I thought the school hadn't formed yet? anyway, I want more of that included next season. I was thrown off my the facedancer(?), but it's not a lore breaker per se. At least not yet. But I haven't read every book, just Franks stuff mostly.

[@ianrotten4453]

I'm still wondering why this show was ever even greenlighted in the first place. It adds absolutely nothing to the lore or Herbert's universe whatsoever. It's more typical Hollywoke garbage, and there's no end in sight.

[@williamcampbell5168]

Loved this show so much!!

[@lawrencereid2767]

I thought it was good

[@NoOne-uh9vu]

The show is a cringe carnival. An amateurish mess in every way possible

[@Jathulhu]

As an avid fan of the original Dune novels and not the sons money-grab stuff, this series feels cheap and distinctly un-Dune-y. The writing just doesnt grab me, the plot is tiresome, the characters are making dumb decisions for no reason and so much of it is so telegraphed as to be pointless watching .... Like Desmond. Ffs. Aside the fact the actors doing the exact same characater he has before, the entire characater was obviously machine-restored-sleeper-agent-cyborg from the get-go. Theres no mystery or mysticism to this. This is to DV's FH Dune movies what Paw Patrol is to Cujo.Some similar terms and trappings, but ultimately an inferior and largely unrelated IP. 😂😂

[@pathfinder2reality]

The hooded figure is Empress Natalya. She harbours intense hatred toward the Sisterhood and would go to such lengths to destroy them. That's why she protected Desmond in the beginning and persuaded the Emperor not to kill him, but use him, to his detriment at rhe end. However, she is also a pawn in a greater game with Tleilaxu and Ixians being involved also. They are also pawns to the Great Enemy, the Hivemind Omnius probably. Sister Theodosia also has ulterior motives and is probably an agent of the Tleilaxu, pretending to serve the Sisterhood, but is in fact faithfuly serving the Tleilaxu Masters

[@D7fromGuild]

I agree about Theo. In the entire series the reader can never trust a Tleilaxu. They always have self-serving motives for their actions (exceptions to this made for two face dancers at the end of Chapterhouse).

[@ewarrior9776]

This episode was OK, but the series as a whole was really disappointing. Desmond Hart being of Atrades and Harkonnen is simply lazy writing. Now the Lisan Al Gaib prophecy is just a description of Desmond. The Emperor had no other character trait but being weak. The revolutionary cell was not fully thought out and seemed without purpose. Neither built enough tension for me to give a damn. The humans behind Desmond's operation were either Ixian or Tleilaxu or both. It could lead to be why both groups are held in such suspicion in Paul's era. I haven't read all the the Brian Herbert books but so much of the narratives in the show (ie an Empress instead of an Emperor, litany against fear) in this first season don't feel like the could lead to the Frank Herbert's world. I hope it gets better in the next season.

[@tonilynn4383]

I like the series and can't wait to see what happens next.

[@neondemon5137]

I said he was probably an android ... he's technically a cyborg, so I was kind of right.

[@JammaLamma]

The one bright spot of this show was the actress who played the abomination I thought she was excellent. Writing, dialogue, fight scenes, special effects, sound design, acting, pretty much really really bad. Desmond was ok. Mark Strong as a bumbling indecisive love blind "emperor" is just insulting. What a waste. Loved your videos Nerd Cookies 🤙

[@Woodrow0]

Everything I hear from Brian H. readers tells me reading those books will only corrupt Dune for me. I was sad when I got to the last Frank Herbert book too, but the answer is go back and read God Emperor, and avoid the prequelitis.

[@D7fromGuild]

Check out the Dune Encyclopedia. Frank gave it his blessing. It's a Dune book written in the 1980s and it has nothing to do with Brian's lore.

[@anomicanomic2705]

Idc what anyone says Erasmus is the best character in dune. Playing pranks and lying to ominous for millennia

[@ALTRON3]

machine war machine war machine war!

[@dustinneely]

I just finished reading Hunters of Dune & Sandworms of Dune. 🤬

[@quor2243]

But hey, to much information of Desmond would be very Brian Herbert according to this content creator. I guess they left some mystery after all. It's amazing what happens when you wait for the entire story to be told instead of over analyzing with the desire for to much information, hmmm....

[@SassoGran]

The show is Brian Herbert Dune - generic action-oriented escapist and forgettable sci fi.