Valve Says "It's NOT fair"

[@NerdNest]

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[@Omar_Little]

chris judge is way too old to play kratos in live action. similarly fillion is too old for nathan drake by now. even when he made the fan film in 2018 he was older than nathan drake is it the end of the series. but I guess they could just change that without too much impact. but chris judge is decades too old, and he is physically not capable of it anymore despite his size. he has serious back problems

[@mbuit]

I'm a dev at Amazon Games and know many people here who owns and loves their Steam Deck, so that might explains why New World is running surprisingly well 😃

[@TremereTT]

What you are saying is Valve is infiltrating Amazon Games with the Steamdeck? Does it actually have merit for a PC-like piece of hardaware if you have several people play testing on the same hardware? Isn't most of the Hardware abstracted away by the OS and APIs and Frameworks anyway?

[@cata112233]

@@TremereTT No. Yes. Maybe

[@NerdNest]

I don’t know, can you repeat the question?

[@dtectatl1]

​@@TremereTTwhat

[@krux02]

@@dtectatl1 "Yes, no, maybe I don't know Can you repeat the question?" are the lyrics of the "Malcom in the Middle" intro song.

[@sihTdaeRtnaCuoY]

I will almost definitely buy a Steam Deck 2, but I didn't buy the OLED, and I wouldn't buy one with a marginal increase in power.

[@adminnimda8632]

Trust me, it is much more than a “marginal” improvement. Having used the OLED model I can’t go back to the original.

[@Red-in4fx]

​@@adminnimda8632 same

[@ChrisBa303]

@@adminnimda8632 It looks much better and its quiter but it’s definitely a marginal step. It didnt change the original experience, its not like you can play stuff on it you couldn’t before

[@sendoh873]

I want the OLED model, but I didn't want to spend another $550 (before tax) for it since I paid $700 (after tax) for the 512 GB anti glare LCD model day 1 of prepurchase. Even if I sold my Deck, I would be out a couple hundred bucks that I just don't want to save up for even tho the OLED model has the much better screen and battery life. I'll wait for the Steam Deck 2 unless my current Deck encounters another big problem like my 1st one did (thankfully Valve rma'd me another one for free when that happened, weird screen tearing and ghosting that I still have no idea what caused it)

[@johnlefebre7495]

Every triple A game I've played on my oled deck, the minimum framerate is up 5 to 7 fps. Games like rdr2, it's very noticeable.

[@mattcy6591]

20:05 "come on valve" from the guys who have access to VR headsets and have not even played Alyx which is in their library.

[@catacocamping874]

Well they make a mod for the game to be played without vr

[@myria2834]

If you got to the point where you press 'new game' and the scenery changed from the cabin, you havent started ng+. You havent even finished a quarter of the main story. (Which is why you have so many hidden achievements)

[@bobbastian760]

I have over 200 hours on Half Life Alyx - including user made workshop maps. By far the best game ever made - 5 years ahead of any other VR game still.

[@AlexanderRavenheart]

Regarding the points mentioned around 48:00 , the SteamDeck sells well because it has good battery life, ergonomics, UI, controls and it uses a Linux OS which is infinitely better than a butchered up Windows installation with a custom OEM specific App and special drivers to try and compensate for Windows' shitty UI, performance and controller support. Had the other portable consoles used Linux/SteamOS, had reliable performance and good battery life, they could have sold as well as, if not better, than a SteamDeck.

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

I disagree with Linux in general being _the_ biggest improvement for the Steam Deck over Windows competitors. While Linux is a more lightweight OS than Windows and that definitely is a contributing factor in terms of performance and battery life, you're actually talking about UI here. In terms of UI, I consider the bigger winner here to be gaming mode, which has nothing to do with Linux in general (aside from the fact that Linux being so configurable allowed gaming mode to be a thing) and is all about what Valve did. The big problem with the Windows UI for handhelds, is that by default it boots into the desktop environment. If the Steam Deck booted into SteamOS's desktop environment by default, you'd feel much the same about the Steam Deck as other Windows based handhelds, though it would be marginally better thanks to the touchpads. Try booting into desktop mode on your Steam Deck and navigate the desktop environment with only the analog sticks to move the cursor. I speak from experience when I say that it SUCKS!

[@ge2719]

Aren't those other portable handhelds all like double the price of the steamdeck though? They aren't going to sell as well because of how much of a good price point the steam deck can be because valve makes money off game sales.

[@josearmandosalgueiro7907]

​@pieceofschmidtgamer if it wasn't for linux .. the steam deck would have flop .. as all other pc handhelds before it .. steamOS has kernel especific features, better resource and task handling, is light... is tailored to handle the deck hardware to the last bit of processing power... you cant replicate that level of optimization on windows ... so yes ... no, it's not just a UI thing ... cause steam has always had big picture mode in both OSes...

[@yoshi555king]

@@josearmandosalgueiro7907 exactly, same reason why MacOS is Linux based (most Mac kernels works just as well on Proton build)

[@KnightSparhawk]

What Valve is waiting for is a leap in power efficiency. Steam Deck operates at a max TDP of 15w. ROG and other Windows handhelds can operate at much higher TDP which lets it outperform the Steam Deck but reduces the battery life. When TDP is matched you find that there is little difference in performance between the Steam Deck and other handhelds when PC gaming. Its more likely we will see another updated Steam Deck than a Steam Deck 2.

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

Honestly, unless Valve releases a Steam Deck Lite, a Deck that's two thirds the size, has a 5-5.5" screen, has more handheld oriented controls (i.e. smaller controls), which would require a whole new tooling setup for pretty much everything (which would involve engineering a whole new Steam Deck from the ground up), which I don't see them doing this generation. At this point another refresh of the Steam Deck, short of that theoretical Lite model, isn't really necessary. The storage capacity of all three Steam Decks currently on offer (256GB, 512GB, 1TB) is more than sufficient. The OLED screen is great. The battery capacity and life is about as good as an x86 handheld will get for the foreseeable future. The only thing holding the Steam Deck back currently is performance and improving performance substantively would be the role of the Steam Deck 2.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

That's why Ally X has an 80Wh battery - to brute force the battery life in the presence of higher power draw.

[@ekinteko]

To be fair, if you were paying attention in the tech slace we have been moving along. Just look at: Bulldozer -> Zen 1 (+60%) Zen 1 -> Zen 2 (+30%) Zen 2 -> Zen 3 (+20%) Zen 3 -> Zen 4 (+15%) Zen 4 -> Zen 5 (+5%) Just updating the Steam Deck from it's 8nm Zen2 to the latest 3nm Zen5 should net you at least +50% improvement in efficiency or performance or both. As for the iGPU well the RDNA-2 inside the VSD was ahead of it's time. And the best out there is the Nvidia RTX-5000 lineup. So if AMD does come up with something similar in performance or efficiency, at least in the small scale, then we should see a decent uplift. As an estimate it is around the +40% upgrade. Now these upgrades also add on top of each other, and compliment each other. So two +50% increases will yield even higher. So I estimate in 2025 we will have the technology to get a generational uplift. And it will be secured in 2026. Which makes sense as that is a good 6-Years (long time for tech) after the release of the Original Steam Deck hardware/technology. We probably won't see the Valve Steam Deck 2 until closer to Q3 2028. Which might be in competition for sales against the Sony PS6. The timescale checks out, but we will have to see.

[@KnightSparhawk]

Valve is going to want to keep the Steam Deck 2 at around the same price point. I don't see them going for a Zen 5. More like a custom Zen 3 or 4.

[@Mark-sd4hv]

What Valve needs is physical media where you actually own the things you buy Instead they killed the PC as a viable games platform. Why would you pay for nothing? Why would developers pay 30% for nothing? It's why PC only gets console ports now and all the PC focused studios went out of business or moved to console. Valve killed the platform

[@ChildOvAtom]

Russ's God of War tv show idea is genius with the flashbacks and color motifs!

[@JimmiezD]

I got that ultimate Valve game collection back when I was a manager at Game Stop. That was during the Steam Machine launch.

[@VSMOKE1]

I just got a bad feeling that Steam Deck just became the new half-Life 3 MEME

[@rachid-l8b]

steam console+steam controller 2.0=ultimate controller gaming.

[@rachid-l8b]

two track pads + two emplacement accessories amovible.

[@SyRose901]

Okay, yeah, with the Steam Deck's success, Valve could repackage its control scheme into a controller and it'd be great. Then the console would just be a PC. No need for Valve to release a Steam machine now. Hell, they could make the dock for the Steam Deck more like the one for the Switch.

[@jamesbrenton5390]

Carrie made such a good point about the uncharted movie, The Nathan Fillion demo really didblook amazing, then they threw it away for larger names with less story & much less game authenticity.

[@comma1737]

As some one who has gamed on the same pc for 20 years now, I can understand the choice to wait for a leap in tech. I bargain hunt for cheaper pc games which means my games are at least 4 to 6 years old. A large number of older games (Yakuza 0, Sleeping dogs, Mafia, Divinity Original sin 2, the witcher 3 and most indie games) work fine on a machine from 2005. It was only within the last year that I started gaming on the steam deck which lets me shorten the range of older games. Likely it won't matter to me if the steam deck 2 doesn't come for another 8 years. Waiting for a tech leap also makes sense to me since the handheld machine is intended as a supplemental gaming system. Most users will have a dedicated machine and can stream to the steam deck for higher performance.

[@Jtwizzle]

Wow, what are the specs?

[@comma1737]

@@Jtwizzle I presume you mean the old machine, Intel quad core q9300 2.5ghz. 8gb ddr2 memory, Nvidia Geforce GTX 750 ti. For something like the witcher 3, I dropped the resolution down and it was fine. The others didn't even need tweaking. Indie games like FTL and Dave the diver run fine. Games like Disco elysium will run but load times are awful even on ssd. Spiderman is playable but is the worst of the lot when travelling the city. I haven't quite figured out a good setting for that. For the most part any game that I can't run on the machine now runs on the steam deck. It doesn't really take much to run pc games since cpu's were fairly static for a long time. It doesn't have all the shadows and fx that higher end machine gets but I still have fun with it. A huge factor is that I also like turn based games like xcom or card games so it takes less processing. I should clarify a bit. Motherboard is asustek p5k/epu and based on the settings in bios I believe the sata connection is being treated as IDE which is why Disco Elysium got frustrating to play. I might be off a bit in year, machine could be from 2008 so closer to 17 years. Was doing a file backup and I don't see anything older than that.

[@Jtwizzle]

@comma1737 thanks for the reply. You are getting good use out of that machine. Wish I could have that level of self-control and not feel the need to upgrade as often. Steam deck is awesome.

[@comma1737]

​@@Jtwizzle I wouldn't call it a lack of self control to upgrade often. In some ways you are giving respect to the developers for playing the game as they envisioned it if you have all the bells and whistles on. If you can spare the money and still save for your other needs like emergency funds and what not then I don't see why not. I'm just old enough to remember actually playing pong so anything above a stick and a ball is already higher performance. (Breakout is still fun to play.) I can also happily commute while playing on a gba or similar handheld device because any device that can allow me to game on the go just feels miraculous.

[@clintk4691]

To Valve, well there you go. For the people who want massive performance upgrades between devices, wait for the deck. For those that want the latest with incremental improvements, get something like the Ally X. Let the people decide which is better with their wallets.

[@blastu2fool]

More like the Legion GO better handheld

[@ekinteko]

To be fair, the Valve Steam Deck was supposed to be announced in Q3 2020 and potentially released for the holiday season. That way it would basically have been a PS4 in a portable form-factor. That really would have made Nintendo humiliated by the Switch. Due to the chip shortage, it was delayed. But this gave Valve more time to work on the driver-side and especially Proton. It basically took until Q3 2023 for the ASUS ROG Ally, and that is an improvement, but its more like an Xbox One X level. Which puts it in the same bracket of performance. The next Steam Deck will most likely surpass the Xbox Series S performance slightly. That way it will support the current-gen titles, just at a lower fidelity (resolution, framerate, settings).

[@Mark-sd4hv]

@ekinteko enjoy not owning your games. Here in Nintendo land we buy physical media and actually own it. Devs can actually make money from games over here. On PC devs can only sell their games 4 times a year at massive discounts because no one buys thin air. Yet Valve charges developers 30% for that thin air. The savior of PC gaming! A knock off console with less functionality

[@ekinteko]

@@Mark-sd4hv Valve does a lot of things for the consumers and the developers. They certainly have earned their position. I find it hard to say the same for Apple or Google for the App Stores for their 30% tax. I am not "hating" on Nintendo. I just want them to do better. They can. They should. If the NSwitch was pocketable, the performance delta could be somewhat forgiven. But it's too large that you require a backpack to bring it along.... so why not enhance it ? I want physical media. I also want to own my games. And want to dump them for preservation. I don't want an intentional corporation to come knocking on my door, and threatening me with bankruptcy and prison. That can come from Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Google, or Valve. But it can and does come (regularly) from Nintendo.

[@Wobble2007]

Really surprised to hear Rich say he had a hard time with MiSTer, it's literally just fit together like Lego, 3 or 4 pieces, and then run the auto update to install everything you want, exactly like the Analogue Pocket with pupdate, you can even buy pre-installed SD card with everything already done for you, just plug it into the SD card slot, you can add more to your setup with SNAC controllers (real console gamepads), an MT32-Pi for that sweet MIDI & Synth audio and so on. PS. I Love Blast Corps, one of my all-time fave N64 games from RareWare, makes me sad what MS did to them and destroyed them as one of the best game devs of all time.

[@rustybroomhandle]

1:06:00 Everquest Next. Game was cancelled because they "couldn't figure out how to make it fun". Landmark was a standalone tech demo of it they released where you could try out the building system.

[@s01itarygaming]

I think they were definitely onto something. Looking back to when I played it, in hindsight, it kinda was like dragon quest builders but without the story/campaign. I think if SOE (or whatever they're called now) gave another stab at it they might be able to come up with something pretty fun! For those who want to look up the game it's also known as EverQuest Landmark, or EverQuest Next Landmark.

[@Ryzza5]

At this point the SD feels old enough that I won't bother until a version 2 is out.

[@isaboll1]

I think one smart thing with Valve deciding to work by "generations", is it puts the Steam Deck as the "target" platform for devs actually focusing on optimizing their games for handheld PCs (also helps that Valve has an SDK and dev process towards the Steam Deck, even if unlike a traditional console, it _isn't_ required to be used for games to be supported on the device). This actually can lead to improvements in games that help when running on PC handhelds outside of the Deck, much like how the longer console generations for PS4/Xbox One led to us PC gamers being able to keep hardware for longer without _needing_ to upgrade as quickly.

[@thatzaliasguy]

Alyx is a prequel/parallel to Half-Life 2 Episode 2.

[@robertwendal5894]

Steam link and the Oculus links are a buggy mess using the airplay. Virtual desktop is better than either of the official methods. Also for people wondering you can just get a quest 2 if your intention of playing from your PC, you can find them cheap compared to the quest 3.

[@pxkqd]

I mean they just released the 3S, which is like 2+

[@ge2719]

I'd say get a hp reverb g2 instead. Far less hassle than a headset with a battery. And people are offloading their headsets because Microsoft is dropping WMR support on windows 11. So if you stick on windows 10, or go with dual boot. Then the reverb g2 is better in a lot of ways than the index, and you can get one for about £100.

[@sendoh873]

29:21 I wish I did have the OLED Steam Deck but since I already paid $700 (after tax) for the 512 GB anti glare LCD Steam Deck when pre-orders first started like in August 2022, I don't want to spend another $550 (before tax) for another Steam Deck even though the battery life and screen are so much better than the LCD Steam Deck. I'm glad that Valve isn't going to keep making and releasing mid-gen upgrades. I'll patiently wait for a Steam Deck 2 unless my current Deck (which is my 2nd one because the 1st one got really bad ghosting and tearing with the screen for unknown reasons so thankfully they rma'd me my 2nd deck that I have now) gets issues and I'll have no choice but to buy an OLED Deck

[@Zemtex47]

I saw this in my recommended feed and I liked it more than I thought I would honestly. Good discussions.

[@bobbastian760]

The only way to ever play spiderman is in VR, it's truly next level

[@jgorres]

Valve is waiting until they can put RDNA 4 in their next "deck" at the price they want.

[@kimmyksbro3116]

Nintendo's game where you build bobbles and explore sounds like surviving Mars

[@turbo_waffle]

Like how you guys are cutting to footage of the game your playing while talking about it

[@NerdNest]

I try to do it when I can. Thanks for watching.

[@X862go]

I have a feeling it gonna be years before the steamdeck 2. They did this with vr as well.

[@jeremymclaughlin5380]

Generational leaps are the game engines, not the device until it lags behind playability.

[@NerudoP-Clowes]

Pony Island is routinely on sale for a buck on Steam and is 100% worth wishlisting. This developer has a real knack for making not only good games, but very unique and memorable ones.

[@sunburystudios8234]

KEEP THAT DAMN HANDHELD. Seriously, you have an ultra rare HL2 model...

[@lionelt.9124]

Have you guys seen the new 3D printed Framework laptop Deck-like handheld? It's there for anyone to print if they want.

[@Mewsashi-cz9fo]

that nintendo mmo sound like everquest next landmark that was the name of the voxel housing of claiming plot / lands and building whatever you wanted, and you could mine through the floor / map and dig very deep tunnels, it was a very cool concept.

[@alejandrotuazon4831]

Generational leap for me is when a specific game I want to play wont run stable 30fps (non-shooter, 60fps for shooters) on my computer. Thats when I start planning a computer upgrade/change. I dont buy new stuff for the FPS bump but for games to become what I consider playable. I did it for battlefied 4, cyberpunk 2077, total war warhammer 2

[@TaufanRezzafriMochamad]

I agree with Carry, around 70% improvement on fps without sacrificing battery would be generational leap.

[@Vonliktenstien]

The “generational leap” question def depends on the product category which makes PC handhelds kind of weird. PC part gens I usually expect 30-50 percent per, whereas console players are looking for that 2-3X Cary was talking about. I guess split the diff for SD2 and I’d be tempted by around +66% or so.

[@h2low404]

Hello question why don't you all cover the Onexplayer 1x??

[@itsdeonlol]

The ability to turn graphics from low to high on more demanding games on the Steam Deck 2 would be a generational leap.

[@ProgrammedAttempts]

53:40, in reference to your chip question, a lot of the Retroids chips are found in Android Auto devices.

[@ToniSkit]

Simplicity and software experience is important to me . If it integrates well with software and it’s easy-ish to use that’s great

[@MrNiclis]

Soooo… what is “native landscape” and why it’s a potential selling point?

[@gagz9k]

For me the 4 year old is the sweet spot, because at the 3 year mark you can make a good discount so it feels right to get the "old'ish" hardware cheaper, and see if its right for you, and if you want to jump in a year or two to the next, shinny version. And more or less every 4 years there's a small bump on high-performance games.

[@s01itarygaming]

Yes @NerdNest it was called (tentatively?) Landmark. It had a few different names including EverQuest Next Landmark. It was somewhere between minecraft and dragon quest builders as an MMO. It was actually pretty fun, only downside to me was the game didn't seem to have any sort of focus or objective, but to be fair that was an alpha build we played so it's not like they had the opportunity to actualize one in the game.

[@lanedj801]

Where is Alienware’s handheld with all these pc companies jumping into the race.

[@ghostbustthat]

Glad to hear speculation about an HL2 anniversary edition! I've been meaning to replay it.

[@oscopin74]

I agree. Virtual desktop is the superior app for streaming from your PC to really any VR headset. Well worth the money imo.

[@roo3005]

I understand why publishers are looking at alternative stores to Steam as those stores must be giving them a bigger cut. Those stores are giving publishers a bigger cut for exclusivity in an attempt to get people to use their stores. This practice at least provides some competition to Steam. If all games release on all stores day one, there is a risk that all the other stores are disbanded and then there is no competition to Steam. Although Steam are the "good" guys, that situation could be very bad for gamers

[@shadow1w2]

Nintendo wise, I think it's throw away game made just to catch people streaming it and they'll trash it later. Steam Deck wise I felt a little burned when the "intended" version of the deck came out with a limited edition one year after I got mine after waiting a year for it the first version all the while this LCD deck just falls apart on me. If they made an upgrade service I"d have been down to pay for the difference but I couldn't just, buy another one a year later on a whim. So waiting for another limited edition and a price cut before I buy the oled or a Deck 2 if I wait that long. Glad they aren't shoving them out yearly though but they also said they wouldn't make another version either so eh we'll probably see a deck 2 next year I don't fully trust their word at the moment.

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

I think it's important to remember that Valve innovated not in the space of Portable PC that runs Windows games well, but a Handheld that runs _most_ of the Steam library well. With an expectation of a Handheld release cadence to this hardware baked in, Valve can only get away with one major revision per "generation", two at most. How long would this theoretical "generation" last? 3-4 years minimum is my guess.

[@deuxforever13]

As much as i love current spiderman/tom holland, but sony definitely dropped the ball with Nathan Filion. Everyone got goosebumps from the demo reel. Damage is already done😢

[@cammelspit]

It was a hard pricce for Valve in the beginning, not anymore. The BOM is likely pretty cheap now so it is just allowing Valve to sort of pick a median price and not have to release it super expensive at the beginning when the hype is high and drop it to affordability much later on. This in my mind is a big part of Valve wanting to wait longer between generations so they can on the back end make up for the loss in cash on the front end. No one ever brings that up. Valve only has this power because of the game sales but that's my big theory.

[@seanscott1933]

The EQ thing you're taking about was Everquest NEXT. I still have all the release handouts for it.

[@yoshi555king]

Just to share this fact: Steam Deck can run BeamNG Drive. Some mods work in game as well like modded cars (ETK 700-series aka BMW 3series E9X series) On battery power I get 2,5 hours of playtime in this power hungry game. That wilst running TDP at 15Watts. Just imagine a Steam Deck with 30Watts TDP in BeamNG Drive performance

[@TheTyjah]

"There are no stupid questions, just stupid people" - The NurdNest

[@NerdNest]

It’s a joke. I was making fun of myself here.

[@TheTyjah]

@@NerdNest I got that you were joking, I was just making some fun.

[@Jerome-iwnl]

Releasing a console every 3-4 years is ideal. I also don't mind the mid gen refresh in between

[@ge2719]

3-4 years? It takes that long usually for a console to start getting well optimised games that run well on the specific hardware. Most of the best console generation that have existed lasted a decade. PS2, Wii,...

[@Burgerhs]

Valve should have a mobile game section too so they can make their own cut instead of playstore and the deck be a more complete device

[@frank7131989]

I tried New world when it first came out but i didnt like how craft heavy it was so I put it down. I might go back now that I knw it works well on deck. Sounds alot like ESO from the way you explain it.

[@shepardcommander9960]

I've skipped the steam deck entirely because I wanted to wait until a successor. I'll definitely buy a SD2 whenever that is.

[@str8poisintv131]

all hands on deack!

[@roo3005]

I think Linda was there 🤣

[@EmberQuill]

I think Valve's Steam Store profits are so consistent that they can afford to wait for a while before releasing a new handheld. Nintendo, PlayStation, and Xbox games are all locked to a specific console, so you can't like... buy a PS5 game and play it on a more powerful PC. So naturally, if they don't consistently release updated hardware then game sales will taper off as developers will leave the platform for more powerful hardware that can handle their ever-increasing requirements. But Valve isn't locked in like that. If a developer wants to make a game that struggles to run on the Deck, they can. It won't sell well with Steam Deck owners of course, but people with more powerful PCs or even newer third-party handhelds will still buy it, and Valve will still make their money. So they can afford to wait until hardware has advanced enough to make the Deck 2 a very enticing purchase even for people who bought the OLED version.

[@Leopardeye]

2 things. The Russ sitting on a stack of handhelds joke was hilarious. And THANK YOU for agreeing that Tom Holland was the wrong choice for the Uncharted movie!! I love the game franchise but refuse to watch him tank that role. 😂😂😂

[@Inguz88]

the game from the Everquest guys is Landmark .. got well over 1200h in it.. whas great

[@maykilvlogzreborn4429]

fairness is awesome

[@giogio182]

I think Ubisoft (and others who tried their own launcher) comes from an era when consoles were kings, while PC gaming was a small minority. So they'd release their product on their launcher just to get the marginal sales. But it's been years and years since PC has gained traction. In the meantime, Steam has become THE PC gaming platform. So much more than just a launcher. Sales on PC are MUCH more important because many people, unlike previously, don't even own a current-gen console. And there are so many new games every day that you either be there on day one (when media/content creators talk about it) or be DEAD.

[@bluebroham]

I think you were conflating Landmark and Trove.

[@IcoKirov]

what's up with the dead body in the background? was that always there? is this an early Halloween decoration? or did he forgot to hide his dead neighbor or something

[@zek62482]

Valve's approach works best IMO. The wave of e-waste coming out just makes me tune out.

[@DavidFilskov]

Valve could at least improve their D-pad :)

[@ThePigeonStoop]

A generational leap would be when HDD was replaced by SSD and not necessarily the gaming equipment like gpu/cpu. in 34 years of using a pc nothing else felt faster.

[@clear4155]

What @thephawx says is very important. APUs right now are not well balanced resources wise. DRAM bandwidth being the biggest bottleneck. I would like them to go farther than more channels and with the cutting edge scalable bandwidth LPDDR. To get a really huge leap up, memory bandwidth needs to cost less power. In order to do this, they need to bring more memory closer to the compute. If they had only added v-cache alone to the CPU part of Strix APUs, the bandwidth savings in DRAMCPU would have left meaningfully more bandwidth for the GPU, giving higher performance within the same power envelope. I was honestly shocked that AMD did not do this. Very low hanging fruit. However, ultimately, they need to forgoe external DRAM and package DRAM together with compute. Intel is staring to use embedded memory again, which will give great power cost savings per bandwidth, but it can go even further with stacked-on-or-under DRAM, or, if it ever becomes cheaper, lower cost HBM variants that have in the past been planned and could eventually come back on the table.

[@yourtubisfilled7164]

Much better to have half generation upgrades *in addition* to next-gen models. 'Why not both?' Half-life updates can really help to stay up to date. Like with cars and the Ally X. I'm on the fence for my first handheld but I refuse to buy a Steam Deck that's already on the 'slowly going obsolete' slide (purely in terms of performance), even though I would prefer a Steam Deck from a platform / UI / controls / support pov.

[@adolfbilic8622]

This is the way . I have an Ally X but even though its a nice device , there will be a new one every few months. The Deck OLED feels more special and unique ...

[@maddoggaming1171]

I’ve actually played any of the half-life games so I may need to jump on the opportunity to get the new remaster if they really are working on that. I was a console gamer most of my life and once I got my Switch I prioritized getting games on that so I could play on the go until I got my Steam deck, I did have a rather large Steam library thanks to humble bundles but I hadn’t played even 10% of my games before I got my deck.

[@rowdyroo4808]

Great channel - Super glad this vid came up when i wasn't subbed . I subbed 😊

[@nickalotdegit]

1:03:38 Dear Nintendo: This product had better last considerably longer than the MiiVerse...

[@yetitheeduardo]

The Retroid Pocket Mini/5 is using a Snapdragon 865. That's an old processor. Maybe not releasing devices all the time and actually taking the time to really develop for the hardware would be a good idea

[@pranze3484]

This kind of company just use what they can buy in bulks for cheap.

[@MarkTengPhoto]

Usually by the time the reviews are out, the IGG campaign is also sold out, but not in this case, which by itself may say alot about how the Duo being received. Market saturation, too high price point, or wrong target audience? I think that this is perhaps a great idea for the certain pros, but the pros I know in the industry never heard of GPD and won't buy off a kickstarter. Even a good idea needs proper market execution!

[@emiliosanchez4610]

Great episode as always. Personally I really appreciate Valve for not doing a thousand different decks

[@Abizzy84]

Please for the love of God, please make the Steamdeck 2 at least 8 inches with OLED, I will pay $800 plus for that!

[@nickalotdegit]

@54:35 Unfortunately Ubisoft is (also) one of the publishers regularly having fingers pointed at it with fairly dramatic "this is digusting behaviour"-type accusations. I'd be surprised if most of the audience watching this channel would be affected by relevant issues; but there is a very vocal group of creators and journalists who are highly against giving Ubisoft money. I doubt that's effected profit margins much, and I think that's a shame, but I'm assuming this would be an issue to resolve...

[@RabbiKrieg]

I was going to comment before Phawx got to it, what do people consider a generational leap, is it 10-15% better performance at the same battery life in a handheld? Does it need to be 25%+ better? I think part of the uplift will be Developers optimizing for AMD chipsets, ps5, Xbox,(and their next gen successors), plus Virtually all handheld PCs outside of the claw, run AMD, the Deck, Ally, Go, the stuff coming out of GPD, and others. The Gaming demand will hopefully wake up AMD before Nvidia/Intel make more headway in the market.

[@IcoKirov]

Valve can count to 3. There is the steamOS3

[@killercrocgeorge]

Watching this podcast I started wondering what happened to the orange pie neo the “other” Linux based handheld 🤔

[@oscopin74]

I will pre order the steam deck 2 like I did the lcd and OLED. I praise valve for what they have done for PC gaming.

[@Loknath009]

Finally some time stamps.

[@NerdNest]

I do timestamps on nearly every video.

[@gmilisavljevic]

Perhaps Gabe wants to wait and see how Xbox handheld will pan out. BTW I am sure AMD is working 24/7 on SoC for it.

[@EnFuegoPlays]

Fantastic show guys.

[@hardcoregammer1964]

I played the new Call of Duty on game pass day one, on the console. That same day, I also played it on the PC through game pass.

[@MrAnno1366]

Phawx talking himself into a big hole here was funny. Claiming graphics cards that are released yearly as iteration releases (quite literally) are "next generation" and seeing the expressions on the other peoples faces as he's digging that hole. All topped off with the great line... "I know you will all agree" Er... no, they don't. This is your hole Phawx. Don't drag the rest into it. 🤣

[@alexprach]

A generational leap is when all the game developers develop for the new consoles. So I don't upgrade my PC every 2 years, but upgrade when the next consoles arrive, as it takes time for developers to retool for higher end hardware, upgrading so often also makes it harder to perceive the improvement when playing older games. The reason Nintendo can get away with making many games is because they haven't needed to retool for higher end level of graphics see Switch is still 1080p (vs 4k for PS5) and the 3DS 240p (vs 540p for PS Vita). Nintendo just focus more money on paying developers and less on the tooling. Imagining Nintendo having to develop 4K games 8 years ago they would have maybe half the games they have now. If you look at the indie games, most of them have very pixelated graphics compared to first party games from Sony and MS, but they run on a smaller budget and can be more experimental, pushing for better and better graphics doesn't mean better games, it just means more beautiful games. Valve probably just studied Nintendo and Sony PSP/PS Vita and just decided to just wait for 50% improvement and focus on improving their software to be more compatible with more games than having more SKUs and risking compatibility problems so early.

[@CuriousTinkering]

Valve can say whatever about hardware. They make money off of the Steam platform and not hardware. The other manufacturers need to sell devices to earn so of course they will release devices every year.

[@rednalewC]

2X seems like alot for a generation, i don't agree with that at all. I personally think that stuff kind of depends tho. If its only performance changing from the APU, maybe 50% But if they also can add in some quality of life changes and new features thats tied to the APU, i think that a smaller raw performance lift still counts as a generational lift. If valve would release SD2 and get slightly better performance from the APU, and increase that performance more with ram/storage uppgrades. And than maybe add a larger battery and some other things, id definitely consider that a generational upgrade. If it makes a game barely playable to playable due to hardware I think it's enough.

[@MrSongib]

Handheld problem is the OS that kinda suck foor controller. if the OS can be use "smoothly" with a handheld control it will be great. the only guy who had this power is sony and Microsoft that could make their handheld version of the consoles. and valve is the most fun company with build and testing new stuff with their linux handheld for the masses. and it kinda bridge the handheld market in the future. until it break their translation layer from windows and linux or making more game dev build for linux gaming as well. i think what valve thinking right now is more fps, bump more battery power if possible, and long gaming time on their future Steamdeck 2. at least that what I want.

[@jimmyrichards5595]

Here’s what fair: A company decides they want to release new hardware and start work on that. A company decides they are going to wait to release new hardware. That’s fair. I don’t understand what Valve is complaining about with “it’s not fair”.

[@RetroGameCorps]

I think the point was that Valve said it wasn't fair to customers to release a new handheld annually without a generational leap. And I think that is fair, too! Fairs all around.

[@jimmyrichards5595]

@@RetroGameCorps Okay, thanks for that. We as humans have opinions. Valve/Gabe is certainly entitled to have an opinion too! Facts are facts. Facts is, either your company decides to start newer hardware or decides to wait. “It’s not fair” seems like an opinion… to me.

[@sidsubba1414]

And Retro game corps Russ is one of the ones who’s doing his reviews right which is why he has a lot of subscribers also. The reviews has to done right!!

[@OutInTheCountry]

I just bought my 3rd steam deck today the limited edition WHITE

[@KniteDad]

What you say about AMD is kind of ironic, being that their bread and butter as a company is their CPU/GPU combos that are in the X-Box. They make more money on that than anything else. Edit: I would hope that the leap would be to 150-160Hz (Maybe 240Hz) for Video support and that would include corresponding power needed to make realistically animated graphics and such!

[@EmberQuill]

@@KniteDad Not just the Xbox. The PS5 and many handhelds like the Steam Deck and ROG Ally all run AMD.

[@VSMOKE1]

I still feel ripped off buying the Retro pocket 3 and then releasing the retro pocket 4 a couple of months later i should have listened to udan so yeah I can understand valve saying it's not fair for the customers good looking out valve

[@lezzard]

You guys need to finish HL: Alyx. The ending is bonkers.