Why they Lie about SteamOS

[@NerdNest]

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[@shawnmacfarland3828]

@NerdNest Ask Valve if they actually sent the referenced email to GPD after Steam Deck Launch, to determine the meaning of "I'd like to tell you" sentence. Further ask Valve if they can clarify for the public what an OEM has to do to officially ship Steam OS on a device and how that differs from assembling and providing a Steam OS linux image for download.

[@stargost2338]

- Infringes Trademark law by using the name of SteamOS without permission. - Gets struck with a Cease & Desist. - "What did we do to deserve this?"

[@fanis4093]

For anyone confused why open source SteamOS can't be redistributed as SteamOS, it is not copyright infringement, but trademark indfringement. You can redistribute but you can't use the trademarks (like SteamOS name). This is the reason for example some distros are having firefox as iceweasel. They can't use firefox name without the consent of mozzilla but naming it iceweasel is fine.

[@MrSongib]

Ye, people are a bit stiff when it come to this stuff and had less fun.

[@jonathont5570]

If they are confused, they prob did not watch the clip that explains it.

[@CFWhitman]

To be clear about the Firefox/Iceweasel situation, when Debian developers used to backport security fixes to the version of Firefox that they had locked the stable branch to, they couldn't then release those fixes as Firefox because of the trademark and the fact that what they were shipping was not released by Mozilla. They could release the same version with backported security features under a different name. However, Debian has since decided to use the ESR versions of Firefox for their stable branch and dropped the projects they maintained, so Iceweasel is now a defunct project. (Edit: I should add that, though Debian dropped Iceweasel, someone else decided to pick up the code base and continue to develop it under the name GNU IceCat.)

[@espiya5557]

They have to be strict about this, or else it may hurt the brand if things were not implemented properly.

[@sergeantsapient]

I like the new Iceweaswel as a name honestly.

[@BulkybearOG]

IDK why people keep not connecting the dots here. Bazzite is using Valve's components to build the OS. Valve doesn't need to release Steam OS anymore, the community did it for them. These things are open source. Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from grabbing Valve's source code and slapping it on a distro. For example, gamescope is in a lof of distro's repos now. And they didn't make their own, they just grabbed Valve's source, built it, and distributed it. It's not that the community is trying to mirror Valve or something, they literally are helping Valve with this stuff, that's what open source is about.

[@BulkybearOG]

@ valves special sauce is steam input, steam client, and gamescope. They made all of that and just layered it on arch. Bazzite took it and layered it on fedora. Like with holoiso which isn’t maintained anymore or chimera. Others have already done the work. No need for valve to. IMO I think that’s why they haven’t been rushing to make a general release of steamOS.

[@namduonghoang5685]

@@BulkybearOG steam os is steam os and bazzite is bazzite. There is no helping here. Bazzite is just copying Steam os “layout” for people to use in the meantime.

[@BulkybearOG]

@ that’s the misunderstanding though. Yea they are different things. But the gamescope, steaminput, and steam client that valve uses in steamOS are the same ones in use in bazzite. These things are open source so we don’t really need valve to release steamOS. We already did it for them with holoiso. There’s not much that would be in steamOS that’s not already in bazzite tbh. Edit: never said a word about helping or them working together. Not needed in open source to make releases.

[@BulkybearOG]

I’m not bashing anyone. My main point is that a lot of people keep waiting for valve to release steamOS. But since it’s open source there’s really nothing there that the community hasn’t already released. So there’s no need for the wait. Any benefits steamOS will bring can already be enjoyed today and imo the best implementation of that so far is bazzite. But there are others as well if you just don’t like fedora.

[@namduonghoang5685]

@@BulkybearOG ok i understand. Anyway just wait until May and we definitely will have Steam Os to be on everywhere.

[@RogueRen]

I really wish Valve would put out a statement that you don't need SteamOS to game on Linux. Almost everything Valve has done for gaming on Linux is in the Steam client, not the OS itself. All the OS level stuff is for the specific hardware.

[@sergeantsapient]

Anybody that's used Linux knows that you don't need SteamOS to game on Linux.

[@RogueRen]

@sergeantsapient Exactly. Anyone that uses Linux. Most people are using Windows and don't know what a "linux" is, or even what an operating system is. They just know SteamOS is on the Steam Deck and that plays games.

[@sergeantsapient]

​@@RogueRenI see what you're saying now and fair enough but I don't really see that being something Valve needs to address. It would be nice no doubt but it doesn't really serve them to do it and there's still (unfortunately) a lot of caveats to gaming on Linux (like dealing with anti-cheat) so I could see how making such a statement could actually lead to more problems than it fixes.

[@RogueRen]

@sergeantsapient Because I don't want people to go out wanting to try Steam OS, think it's going to be the perfect Windows replacement, It won't be a perfect Windows replacement, And then they're not going to blame Steam OS or the game publishers. They're going to blame Linux in general and claim that Linux sucks.

[@sergeantsapient]

@@RogueRen but they would do that if Valve is telling them that you can game on Linux without at least an asterisk next to it.

[@screwball992]

To be fair I keep seeing reviews saying SteamOS on X machine, and it always turns out to be Bazzite or ChimeraOS it annoys me probably more than it should.

[@AgentBaphomet1255]

Unless Valve offers the same functionality that Bazzite has, I'll probably use that over Vanilla on something like my Asus Ally X

[@ring05]

Its the Linux pleb I see saying this. When someone ask they want steam os on other device other than steam deck. the linux ppl will said. Install bazzite or chimeraOS. rather than said " There is still no official Steam OS 3.0 release yet, but we have other os that can do almost the same thing as steamOS."

[@aoi_mizma]

Same here. it's not just disingenuous to Valve, but also to all the people working on those greate projects like Bazzite or ChimeraOS.

[@gdot1803]

You want an answer? To quote the late Ryan Davis: 'China Don't Care'.

[@GoblinArmyInYourWalls]

GPD has a history of lying. Kendyzhu is a HORRRRRIBLE pr person

[@JorCal-ev8fq]

@@GoblinArmyInYourWalls gpd has amazing hardware, running nobaraOS and the experience feels complete

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

@@JorCal-ev8fq The guy isn't talking about the hardware, he's talking about the company.

[@michaelshields1861]

I think there's a big difference between a company saying something that's blatantly false to generate sales and a KZbinr mixing up terms so their audience can follow along. Especially when the KZbinr clarifies what exactly they're talking about up front.

[@lemurtheory9350]

Companies acting scummy like that makes me change my mind about getting their products.

[@TheHexperience]

How many KZbinrs call bazzite steamos?

[@NerdNest]

I talk about this in the video, I'm guilty of it.

[@bloepje]

The problem I have with GPD win(s) is that the BIOS is never updated, so there were some exceptions made within the linux kernel to correctly detect the GPD Win and Win2. Correct ACPI tables is also thing, which is important for power management.

[@NothingCoherent]

It's weird marketing and obviously not ethical but honestly I don't care very much. The more SteamOS out in the wild the better.

[@lexcelius6921]

3:34 that and back in the 90s Microsoft set the Standard for not allowing Manufacturer to build Dual Boot PCs by Charging Manufacturers that did that an extra 50 bucks, which today would be equivalent to 100 bucks.

[@Spencerwalker21]

I'm assuming they lied for attention aya neo did the same thing it makes no sense to do it but I think they don't care

[@HearMeLearn]

considering it always gets some buzz when a company says it I agree, it's just another form of marketing for them

[@Spencerwalker21]

@HearMeLearn funny username 👍 sinus lebastian 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ScrapKing73]

Isn't the company called just GPD? And GPD Win is just a product series? And a SteamOS version probably wouldn't be called GPD Win since the Win in the name stands for Windows?

[@mannydice121]

Trying so hard to pay attention but that GLORIOUS BEARD KEEPS DRAWING ME in! Sold my og steam deck long ago when the ROG Ally was announced but still love to tune in here to enjoy your content! Wishing you much much more success brotha

[@Stacio88]

I dualbooted a 4TB ssd on my AllyX and haven't booted into Windows since using bazzite. I'm actually thinking of wiping the entire thing and just going full bazzite.

[@MadViking82]

I did that with the Ally X, wiped the 1TB for bazzite. The windows experience was terrible. Now my wife can play with it as well. She said "It's just like Switch." And that's the level you need to be at if you want to reach larger audiences.

[@Omnifarious0]

Calling it Steam OS is what isn't allowed. That's a trademark.

[@premoboy]

In these scenarios, you have to remember that GPD is a Chinese company so there could be a language barrier and translation issue.

[@CaptainWonderBread]

I genuinely think this is it. I got a 2024 GPD Win Mini, and asking about updates was very difficult. The answers you'd get weren't usually quite what you asked. I found that if you said that wasn't what you were asking about, rephrased your question and tried again, you'd eventually get an answer. A lot of people gave up quicker than that and just concluded GPD was trying not to answer questions. "SteamOS (with system Adaptation provided by Valve." I think is just intended to mean that because it's an X86 device, it is capable of supporting SteamOS if Valve cooperates. It would've been clearer as "SteamOS (if Valve provides system adaptation)" which is even a valid reading of how it's written already, it's just not the only valid reading, so a lot of folks took it to mean Valve *is* providing that adaptation now, rather than meaning it'll work as soon as (if) they do. Also, just looking at the user manual for the Win Mini, none of their English is particularly good or clear. There's language problems all over their product pages too, lol. They'd probably benefit from devoting slightly more resources to their translation efforts. Personally, it already runs Bazzite great, so I'm not worried about if Valve does or doesn't let them put SteamOS on it.

[@NerdNest]

I actually recorded that line a few times and at one point I said "I wonder if this is poor translation". But I flubbed the line at the end, and on retake I forgot to say that.

[@tiredghosts]

​@@NerdNest I'd hesitate to even call it a poor translation, just not phrased for westerners. "I'm happy to tell you" might have been clearer than "I'd like to tell you." that said, I don't believe Valve did that for one second lol

[@jessephillips8319]

GPD tried to smear the SteamDeck (in China) before it's release. They were an original portable PC and competition is hard.

[@LeftyPencil]

Ironic as valve mentioned companies like GPD keeping the handheld market up

[@aoi_mizma]

I really hope these companies stop these scummy practices... as much as I like some of their devices, it's hard to get behind companies that behave these ways. Also, saying "SteamOS" on youtube videos when talking about bazzite is pretty much the same to me. HoloISO (basically a wrapper to make SteamOS recovery image into an installer) and maybe SteamFork (a fork of SteamOS I believe?) would be the line I'd stop with calling it "SteamOS." Bazzite is clearly it's own thing that creates a mimic distro of SteamOS and clarifying in the content after gaining the click is to me a bit too far (if the title said clearly that it is a "Clone" of SteamOS or maybe phrased that it is not a SteamOS itself, then that is fine, but straight up saying something like "Install SteamOS on your PC!" and showing Bazzite seems a bit disingenuous I think).

[@TheRealNerdLord]

@10:20 : Nonsense, I am running Fedora with RTX 4090 for the last 2 years without issues. This mis-information needs to stop.

[@thefoxhouse]

I think Bazzite is pretty easy to install, however installing on the Ally does take a couple extra steps of you’ve registered windows since windows partition is locked

[@NexGen-3D]

SteamOS already works on a range of AMD hardware, I'm already running it on UM773 from Minis-Forum, it installs the same way you do a restore on the Steam Deck, I was running Bazzite on it.

[@ssdemon96]

Hey, I just thought I'd mention this to Nvidia users.. you can now use the home theater PC mode with Nvidia, so now all those users can use gamescope to have steam os interface. It's pretty awesome because it was only available for AMD Gpus and Intel. Now you dont have to wait. I have an AMD Gpu that's pretty powerful, but i was waiting for my friends' Nvidia cards to be supported, so now any Nvidia user can use the home theatre mode. I thought it would not be possible for them, but they made it possible. Anyways, I love the video, dude!

[@MakiPavlidis]

Great lay of the land, informative, thanks Bill. Glad I found your channel.

[@cloudiolology]

streaming this vid at 4k for that GLORIOUS beard

[@VoyivodaFTW1]

looks so crisp.

[@NerdNest]

I'll let my barber know.

[@TrasherBiner]

80% of the reason I watch your channel is due to your *ABSOLUTELY EPIC BEARD*. Kind of jealous, I'm not going to lie....

[@kalark]

Currently running Bazzite on my ROG Ally and loving it! After the Legion Go S launches I'm hoping we get more options for steamOS as a cheaper option compared to buying one with a windows license. I just preordered a GPD Win Mini 2025 and I'll be installing Bazzite as soon as I get it!

[@Nazimihsan]

Wexxo: Don’t miss the presale!

[@eduardomira6326]

what cammera are you using? I can count every single hair in your beard.... mesmerising!

[@KJMcLaws]

4:44 doesn't that mean I am telling you because I'd like to? You later say that it means something akin to "I wish I could tell you (but I can't)." I would normally assume in that phrasing it's more of a statement than a hope.

[@PhycoKrusk]

In common parlance (at least in the United States), "I'd like to tell you..." is generally understood to mean, "I wish it was the case that...."

[@Lugnut2002]

I have Bazzite installed on my custom built Desktop PC with a AMD 5950x cpu, and NVIDIA RTX 3090 gpu. At first there was an issue with sleep and wake but after a few regular updates everything runs like a champ with HDR, VRR, and 120hz working in all my games. It's still not perfect, but at this rate I think they'll have all the bugs worked out very soon. It runs well enough to be my daily driver, and I'm happy to say I haven't needed to boot into windows to play any of my games. The only thing that I can see that still needs to be fixed is an issue with Remote play in Game Mode. I get a black screen when trying to stream to my docked Steam Deck in the other room, however remote play works just fine under Desktop Mode. Also, under Game Mode I have to leave the custom resolution at 1080p 120hz in the main steam interface to avoid slow response when navigating my game library, and the Store page. If you're on the fence about trying it, Just try it. I think most people will be pleasantly surprised.

[@shaydesofblue2281]

I was a bit iffy getting it because I also use NVIDIA. I have 4080 super. Thanks for sharing

[@MONTENadeau]

The team behind Wexxo knows exactly what the gaming industry needs.

[@yoshi555king]

It's just stupid of GPDWin to call it "SteamOS". That's like saying a Custom Nothing OS Font is IOS as looks and layout does work for either past Android and IOS users like myself. It's just waiting to get their named screwed over with if everyone with a bit of technical sense takes it under the loop.

[@AndrewSchott]

Hi, new to your channel. Not sure your familiarity with linux, but you can drop any distro on, install Steam, autologin to an account with steam autostarting, and then set it to Big Picture Mode by dsefault. Done. The only real difference will be that the install will have access to other software besides steam. Which may be a benefit. Where SteamOS is a necessity is on custom hardware like the Deck, where power management and other hardware specific things need to work and require drivers that are done, and of course, something that can be warrantied with ease. Gatekeeping external software to Steam is a very sane thing to do in the latter's case. HTH. I am running Red Hat Enterprise on all my equipment, including my Atari VCS 800. The Atari is setup to be as I stated, autobooting to Steam BPM and be a DIY SteamMachine. Works great. And for those in the know, RHEL is not known for being a gaming powerhouse (its linux, so it can be).

[@MrGonz801]

You know... I'm not used to watching a lumberjack talk to me about tech, but I guess I can dig it

[@MrGonz801]

Also, I think the reason Valve is being stand-offish with companies trying to use Steam OS for clout is because they've tried this sort of thing a decade ago with Steam Machines. Sure, these machines just had the ability to launch big picture mode at launch, but a lot of companies leaned in, and nobody bought it.

[@NerdNest]

I’m a lumberjack and I’m okay.

[@_Mutto_]

I hope valve ships a mass desktop spin of SteamOS. I will keep daily driving Fedora unless there's something extremely special about it when it comes out. Fedora is just...awesome.

[@kohiek]

Very nice lighting in this video!

[@NerdNest]

Thanks, actually the lighting is the same, but I shot in S-Log3 and did a color grade on it, I've ruined quite a few videos shooting in S-Log3, but I MIGHT, have it figured out this time, we'll see what happens with the next video.

[@zezba9000]

ChimeraOS is faster than BazziteOS fyi. So is SteamFork.

[@rcvillapando]

Simple answer to the question. Marketing your devices with SteamOS is like giving your nerdy girlfriend gamer a kawaii kitty headset. It’s about hype and creating good will to gamers. Will it work? Time will only tell.

[@animal_4826]

this video could have been 45 seconds

[@VerbalKint07203]

What is hooked up to that mic?!!!!! Wow that’s impressive sound. What’s the setup?

[@NerdNest]

Mic - SM7B into a Rodecaster Pro 2. Cleaned up with EQ and dynamics in Davinci Resolve.

[@joeblack7262]

Love your channel but the cuts is crazy. It be throwing me off but I know you maybe was rambling like all us do when it come to talking about technology, but it maybe it be better off to re-record it in one take when it comes to rumors or events like this to seem more genuine. Just something I notice. Thanks for the info man.

[@teamcarlisle2]

Whats cool with the ROG Ally is even if you screw up the HDD, they have a bios based Web recovery so you can boot to the bios and connect to the wifi and download windows and install it all right from the bios, so worst comes to worst if you try bazzite or anything and dont like it or screw it up, no matter how bad your install is borked you can restore the ROG back to factory from a bios hosted cloud based restore option

[@rhekman]

I'm not at all interested in hardware vendors distributing copies of SteamOS "for their device." I want it direct from Valve, with all the updates, and no waiting. If it turns in to Android, with skins and updates gatekeeped by hardware makers, I'm out.

[@dimitriid]

This is not going to be a popular response, but Valve already tried that once and failed: The first time they worked on the original Steam OS and the Steam Boxes they over-committed to way too many hardware manufacturers (Plus Proton was nowhere near as far along as it is now, plus also they lost all of their marketing momentum with delays related to the controller when a simple controller with simple touchpads they settled on with the Deck is good enough and was feasible back then) So honestly, I think they've learned their lesson and will *NOT* support any of the smaller manufacturers at all and it's no coincidence that they went with one of the biggest with Lenovo (While Asus is popular among PC gamers, Lenovo is on another level along with HP and Dell as the big three PC manufacturers) instead going for an 80/20 approach: 80% of their sales would probably come from the big manufacturers capable of heavy subsidize and aggressive pricing so why spend most of your support and dev resources on the 20 of the remaining sales that smaller players like GPD could muster? Sorry to say but a Valve-controlled version of Android for gaming consoles would actually be a winning formula launching Valve and Linux gaming into the mainstream, so it would actually be desirable because it would translate in enthusiasts like you getting to play around with GPD devices running Bazzite except a much more mature version of drivers and software thanks to the work the larger players in Valve and Lenovo work upstream into the Linux software stack anyway.

[@rhekman]

@@dimitriid I don't fundamentally disagree with your assessment that Valve should be very judicious with their "Powered by SteamOS" partners. To clarify and expand on a couple points however - 1. In no way do I think Valve should or would publish a "Valve-controlled version of Android". My point was I don't want a repeat of the Android ecosystem in PC gaming, and I was using it as a point of comparison. Valve already has a solid base with SteamOS - it's Arch Linux with an immutable file system, atomic updates, expandable storage, and a Steam/Win32/Proton application layer that game devs can rely on. 2. Existing desktop Linux development models can already work well for small manufacturers. They don't have to customize their own Linux distro (though some choose to do so like Pop!OS or Purism or Tuxedo). You can just install Fedora or Ubuntu or Endeavor or Mandriva or whatever and 9 times out of 10 everything just works. If device specific features like RGB controls or media buttons or power management modes don't work, the manufacturer can push their tweaks up-stream. They can continue to be maintained by the community without the manufacturer hosting their own OS.

[@xmaxdamage]

I just want a device that has a right trackpad not suited in a weird spot but that is actually usable as main controller...I already have a deck but would like to play monster hunter wilds 😅

[@SireDragonChester]

Yeah I am waiting for either steamOs or Bazzite to have GTX 1xxx support for desktop pc. As I have 1080ti. I don’t have $900 to $1200+ Canadian to even buy 6900xt.

[@eps-nx8zg]

bazzite has support for it, the only thing that is lacking support for it is the gamescope compositor, so you cannot boot into steam big picture mode like the steam deck on nvidia. I think there might be some experimental support though.

[@SireDragonChester]

@eps-nx8zg Yeah I saw that on website. I have found out Valve has hired some either ex Nvidia devs or devs to code (open source drivers) for better Nvidia gpu support. But it may still be few years before Nvidia support is actually decent for steam os. So been just waiting for now see if Nvidia gpu support get better. With win10 EOL coming soon. Who knows. Maybe Valve will finally add better GTX support. I tried unofficial steamOs (HaloISO) years ago when steam 3.2 came out on my 2700x/16GB/GTX 1080ti and gamemode all it did was crash 90% of time. Couldn’t even get pop up menu for reboot/reboot to desktop or shutdown to even show up. When gamemode did finally load. Launching any steam game would just crash. Once I got to desktop mode. Everything ran fine in desktop mode. Steam games ran fine. No crashes. It was just game mode (game scope) that clearly hasn’t been tested enough or bug fixed to work on GTX 1xxx gpus. I Was hoping by now they have better GTX/RTX support but prob not. I Would love to buy 3090 but it’s also too expensive ($2200+ Canadian here atm lol ) and I am betting most Linux distro still won’t have great GTX/RTX support.

[@AgentKenshin]

If you can get the 7900GRE worth every penny.

[@tubguinace]

I mean, they're GPDWin not GPDLin

[@roo3005]

I'd say there is an element of exclusivity at play as well and not just the number of employees at Valve. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some kind of financial agreement between Lenovo and Valve to bring out the steam OS Legion Go, and within that agreement it would state that Valve couldn't then go off and partner with other hardware manufacturers

[@hansdampf1552]

Love your Videos 👍 I was a playstation gamer for 15years, but since I got my steam deck my ps5 has was barely turned on for gaming. Using my ps5 controller for docked gaming mode on Steam Deck and its awesome 😂

[@thestud2]

You couldn't sell it anyways, it is linux.

[@dark2deeds]

i would love to see what the xbox handheld is and find out if its true you will be able to play steam and xbox games i have the ally but i wish it was a little more powerful some games dont run very well

[@MrGivmedew]

GPD lied about the WinMax 2 6800U and SteamOS during the pre-order in 2021 and then in 2022 they lied about the WinMax 2 7840u and they have lied multiple times after as well. They keep doing this because it gets hype and increases their pre-orders. They have “SteamOS” like images that you can download from them but it’s garbage compared to a SteamDeck on SteamOS. The problem is all the amazing custom stuff that went into the SoC/Firmware that you’d only see from someone like Microsoft Surface/XBOX/PS/Nintendo/Apple. Like amazing suspend modes that are instant and just work and the amazing power controls that just work. GPD has good power controls on 6000 series and above. But only in windows. It doesn’t work in SteamOS. So it’s all a lie until Steam makes it official. Back with the 6800U they even said they were working with Steam to bring SteamOS to the WinMax 2 and that was a blatant lie.

[@ALBERTBail]

Wexxo is creating a unique space in the gaming and crypto industries.

[@Hunnan1012]

I’ll be honest my first choice for steam os would be the deck. Yes it is under powered unfortunately. Hopefully Steam Deck 2 will have more going for it under the hood.

[@johnwebsterification]

I installed bazzite on my white og ally. I put the gpu vram to 8 gb in bios and its great!

[@SirtubalotTX]

I'm not really allowing myself to get caught up in all of this other than Steam has a real opportunity here to get desktop share, but they will have to put focus on the desktop and general compatibility. I'm one example of why Steam focusing on the desktop is a good idea... I game AND am a heavy duty user of a desktop. Aside from that, Microsoft has just about run me completely into the arms of Linux (only got two pcs left with Windows) and as long as I can install steam on a Linus desktop OS? they will be safe with me.

[@benjaminneate7640]

Nvidia works fine on linux now.

[@CFWhitman]

It's odd wording, and translation may or may not be part of the issue here. Different phrasing has different connotations. If you say, "I'd like to let you know...," you expect it to be followed by something that is actually true. If you say, "I'd like to say...," you expect it to be followed by something wished for, but not true. The wording, "I'd like to tell you...," is somewhat unclear. They could mean either thing.

[@eluzivo]

You people in the comment sections forget that you're nerds. I'm no normie, but I certainly am nowhere near you guys (not in a despective way but in a "I focus elsewhere" way.) I know you're saying things that are factually correct but you guys forget the way normies think and act. Normies FEAR the unknown. To this day they are afraid of breaking the system irrevocably as it was possible at the start of windows. And many/most distros still make it possible even if not simple. What SteamOS would do is bring about known space and trusted IP to a previously unknown zone. You can't expect normies to learn to use Linux because Windows sucks, you need to give them convenience as a filter to keep them away from the important stuff while gaining a foothold in mainstream. Steam being the small company they are, will most likely not do this because they don't want to deal with all the customer support MS deals with. However as a community, if you want steam to do this, and to bring Linux(steamOS in this case) to the general public, you'd have to set up a system that Steam can use to direct people to for anything they need that is really not Steam. However I know this won't happen. Too much effort and the mayority of customers that'd come from Windows are going to tear through any system you make for this, specially with the entitlement people who reach for customer support tend to have.

[@BaranMehmet-e2d]

AI gaming by Wexxo is a next-level concept.

[@mageius]

Honestly, SteamOS actually has a chance of becoming a bit more mainstream. And, from what I've heard it's supposed to be Linux based so I guess that's a positive for those fans of that.

[@GraveUypo]

it's not just linux based, it is arch linux with valve stuff preinstalled

[@happygofishing]

@@GraveUypo it is literally just immutable archlinux with some gaming stuff and drivers preinstalled.

[@RealMrBased]

Why do you find it hard to call when someone says one things and does another. That literally a liar. Now the reality is that liars are not truthfully looked down a by society. Only when it’s convenient for someone to call it out or else they are happy to be liars themselve.

[@shaydesofblue2281]

Oh well. I just want a Steam Controller 2.0

[@paulharrison8379]

What people want more than anything else from Valve is full Steam OS support for desktop PCs that can not run Windows 11 and so must switch to another OS before October 2025, when support ceases for Windows 10. The biggest problem is lousy Linux support by NVidia for their graphics cards. I do not believe that any NVidia card older than the 4060 will fully work with Steam for Linux. I use the old NVidia 470 Linux driver for my NVidia GTX 760 card. Unfortunately then Steam only works with old OpenGL games such as Max Max and Serious Sam 2 and with old DOS games. I use popOS Linux on this PC.

[@archgirl]

It’s not even so much lousy Linux support from Nvidia these days; the proprietary drivers work perfectly fine in most cases if you’re using X11. The most pressing issue is lackluster Wayland support from Nvidia. I used a 3070 with Bazzite just fine after switching to an X11 session, but with an Nvidia card, you don’t get Game Mode and have to set it up yourself, amongst other things. It’s just not the same experience, and it absolutely needs to improve. When it comes to Linux, X11 and Nvidia cards, I’ve used a GT 710, GT 1030, GTX 960, RTX 2060 _and_ an RTX 3070, and had no real issues. I’m on AMD now, because I’ve gone full Wayland with Hyprland, but if I had to use an Nvidia card still, I certainly could.

[@LeftyPencil]

Ironically using Bazzite on an older win 4 before all this. I doubt i'd bother leaving GPD whenever steamOS drops

[@RobbinWesterlund]

Wow your beard is getting really grey :P NICE!

[@csh9853]

I already have my PC (hardware). I just need the software.

[@zepoq2476]

The response Valve received appears to be some bad English grammar.. B1-B2. "I'd like to" seems to have been misused. Maybe they did receive the message. It i just that they are unable to communicate clearly. I am a language teacher and I see this very often in Viet Nam and China.

[@acli9704]

first off all its locked libraries on steamos, but not so fast updates (mesa,...)

[@MrSongib]

I dont think it's out of malice or any of that. It's simple common nerd stuff that, "Yep, you can install SteamOS here aswell if you want" as we all does. But for PR stuff, I think it could make confusion like this one. GPD is kinda cool it's just bad at their marketing and PR, it's always been like this for Chinese companies. Most of them are just nerds who just like to make stuff and some just really bad at marketing. xd For me personally, it give them a character of the company, as long as in a good side of things.

[@jonathont5570]

GPD has terrible support, I would never give them $ needed to purchase the hardware with shitty support. That is the same reason I do not support Asus.

[@angelsenvy228]

Acting like people struggle to tell a fedora atomic desktop and arch linux apart is a brain dead take. I know you guys really really want to pretend that universal blue desktops are the same as arch

[@OctoDADDY.]

Id rather wait for the official steam os for the game compatibility. For now im fine with just using windows on my devices.

[@rocknflip66]

Bazzite is still good on my Ally X until further noticed

[@elwen8525]

I would fuckin looooooooooovvvvvvveeeeeee to have steam os on something the size of a vita dude. that would fuckin kill

[@AlmetaRobledo]

I’ve seen many projects, but Wexxo stands out for its focus on AI-powered gaming.

[@xatilar7706]

Why not just say SteamOS like or Steam like OS? Like Soulslike

[@The8bitbeard]

People seem to think SteamOS will be the OS that frees them from the tyranny of Microsoft while simultaneously also continuing to believe the decades old FUD that Linux requires a CS degree and 1337 HaXx0rZ skills to use.

[@seansretroverse9082]

SteamOS is cerainly not the Windows killer. It is an embedded purpose built OS for handheld PC gaming that is helping to hasten the development of Proton and in turn Wine which is unshackling PC gaming from Windows. Computers are inexpensive enough now that we can have a PC for browsing and productivity and a PC for gaming. They don't have to be one in the same anymore😊

[@TheGrandRapidian]

Bill FYI it’s just “GPD” bro.

[@examancer]

The name of the company is GPD. Win is part of the product name for some, but not all, of their products like the GPD Win Max 2 or the GPD Win Mini, but not the GPD Pocket or GPD Duo. "GPD Win" is not a thing.

[@NerdNest]

Fair.

[@taylorhead9842]

What happened to that Cryobyte33 guy?

[@kryshancock971]

I want to run steam is on my desktop so badly! I have been considering doing bazite on it but I'm afraid it won't work 😞

[@malcaniscsm5184]

Just give it a try - I think you'll be surprised at how straightforward it is

[@OzgurSahabettin]

Gaming tokens like Wexxo will dominate in the future.

[@tacothunder2298]

Look at the size of that GPD WIN 4!!... THAT should be the size of the SteamDeck, Ally, Legion Go, etc, etc, etc. It's perfect.

[@loz9324]

are you saying people shouldnt have size options? the space would suck if every device was tiny. i like a smaller device, but my usecase for my steam deck would not be fulfilled if it was smaller

[@GraveUypo]

can you do something about the 20-something crypto scam spam posts on the comment section?

[@NerdNest]

Every time I try, they find a way to get around them. KZbin needs to fix this.

[@NedimTabakovic]

I got official GPD staff text they will include high refresh rate display on new WIN MAX and as we see they did not.

[@OzOO-kr5uw]

Yeah all this steam OS hype is kinda crazy. Here what I that valve need to do if they are for real about gaming Just release a gaming Console. Stop playing around and get serious go after the big boys and say hay this is what we are doing .We are going after the console market by release a console you can release it with steam OS or Windows or what ever who cares. Now that Xbox done threw in the towel go for it .

[@fresco_dinero5155]

Ally X/Ally with 74wh battery + SteamOS Is better than the steam deck oled by a good margin

[@fresco_dinero5155]

@ so more power, more battery, and more customizability doesn’t make it better? I can deadass put steam os on my Ally that has a 74wh, battery and get a 10x better experience than on a steam deck

[@oveddepaz5700]

Exacly i wiped out windows in my gpd win 4 and installed bazitte its amazing

[@dukejukem413]

I don't really see how Valve can say that other companies can't advertise their OS considering it's simply a linux distro...that's already free. I can build as many computers as a want with Windows or Ubuntu and advertise those operating systems without consequence and I'm not a company. Not really sure how Valve think they're special here. You can't just take something that's already free, slap your name on it and say it's only mine lol. Is valve fronting any of that money from SteamOS to the developers of the distro it's based on? I can install SteamOS on anything and sell it if I want to. It's free.

[@GraveUypo]

their brand isn't free though. valve doesn't want to be associated with potentially shitty efforts that taint their image. it's 100% expected

[@StringCypher]

This comment ships with SteamOS.

[@sk8boardfreewatch275]

Click bait O.S.

[@Y6-Nezumi]

Hä? Ich nutze SteamOS auf einem älteren Laptop von mir... & es funktioniert? Noch ned perfekt, aber es läuft... einfach nur weil ich 2issen wollte obs & wie es funktioniert. ^^

[@edhahaz]

MS money running out

[@Sw33tBabyRays]

Why are you tubers ashamed of being you tubers? 😂

[@calinifintyplusone]

Way too much obsession over Steam OS here. Plenty of launchers out there. It's about the hardware and games.

[@WalkWhenNecessary]

The distro does matter ... If it didn't there wouldn't be so many. We would all use Debian or Red hat or Fedora or ... Wait there's so many. SteamOS does have benefits for handheld devices. Hardware and games are nice but if the experience to get the game running requires 18 clicks using a joystick as a mouse, an onscreen keyboard that doesn't pop up sometimes, a device with hardware that doesn't have optimized drivers, that's a bad experience. SteamOS provides some uniformity and allows both users and devs to have a ln easier experience.

[@Invid72]

If you think it's just a launcher, it's clear you haven't used it. Steam Big Picture mode is a launcher. SteamOS includes BPM, hardware support including working sleep, the Proton compatibility layer to run Windows games on Linux, a Linux subsystem and Linux desktop. It's a full operating system with native application support.

[@510Live]

@@Invid72There you are! Start running defense and punching air!

[@510Live]

It’s steam big picture mode packaged to you by Linux. Watch out brother!!! You’ve got steam deck SHILLS in your comments! @Invid72 has arrived! lol I’m so glad this vid got recommended 🤣

[@510Live]

@@Invid72The trash can has arrived! Start reporting comments! Rainbow 🌈 brigade! 😂 TRASH

[@AminaFilms]

Annnnd this is why I’ve on my 2nd build I went to windows still I really regret nothing . but I really want steamos 3