Never Compare Dragon Ball Super To GT Ever Again

[@Agito5V]

'Trying to glaze your own favourite show without trashing other shows' Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@clixoer]

“NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17!!!”

[@InfraredGod]

Kid named Goku:

[@Chromium-24.]

🗣️🔈🔊

[@DS123-gb8tf]

Are you the strongest because you’re super 17??? Or are you super 17 because you’re the strongest ?? - 17 from super

[@CutWat]

​@@InfraredGodfunny thing is they never actually defeated him as Super 17

[@sonicthomasgamer]

Nah I’d win

[@toxicrepeter8607]

Vegeta only grew his tail back from the Bruits Waves machine, he achieved SSJ4 all on his own. Goku struggled to control his Golden Oozaru form but Vegeta's perfected it so he jumped straight SSJ4 and people act like the machine turned him SSJ4.

[@PhantomGamZ]

If anything, the blutz wave machine makes it BETTER. Vegeta is a changed man no longer concerned with his pride or being the strongest. Vegeta just wants to protect his family and home since that's all that matters now so a free power boost helps insure that happening.

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

The vast majority of people who hate GT never watched it and the people who hate Super are simply mad it’s the current face of Dragon Ball

[@MallyG-r4t]

Aka TSO Sage’s entire twitch chat

[@numberhunter62]

I've watched GT in sub and dub and while it has some charm it has enough problems to make a mountain out of all those mole hills. And the fights are just boring.

[@TribalCheif-ku4vn]

@@numberhunter62*copy and paste redundant GT hate*

[@humanman9920]

​@@numberhunter62Nope , its the best dragon ball that came out after z.

[@ZYaKnoe249]

Essentially this

[@thedevilsleutice]

Oh no the fights are significantly in GT. GT fan here. Super is hype, I just like the vibes of dragon ball. GT had a few okay fights.. but I’d never argue them as a top fight. Oh and super has worst visuals for its first half. Art design GT clears, not saying it was perfect either. You still every now and then get those Nucleus and Fridge designs, but at least it wasn’t the shows first impression visually. Beerus…

[@BucketWasTakenTwice]

No comment ( he'll my pop is one of the super moments

[@KeshawnCage]

I just get mad at people calling gt trash like it has its flaws like every other anime does so it’s not perfect but it’s not trash in my honest opinion

[@eranshachar9954]

One thing I can say GT is defiantly better than Super is in terms of story and ideas. Excluding Moro and Granolah for a moment, the only thing Super did good in terms of story is the Goku Black arc in my honest opinion. Also someone in a hilarious way said that Super Bejita has a better development than GT Bejita. That is straight up wrong for that anyone who's seen both GT and Super knows. As for the fight against Omega that was probably the best team up of the two most powerful Saiyans (excluding Broly of course).

[@nickalas666]

are you braindead?super vegeta has better development than gt without a doubt.

[@beautifulstrange7057]

cold take. every Dragon Ball has a great ending

[@TheEradicator10x]

No lies detected

[@pretzelpop78]

Dragon ball z had a pretty trash ending

[@toxicrepeter8607]

for Super's ending are you referring to the others celebrating as Goku and Vegeta spar in the mountains?

[@gus9797]

@@toxicrepeter8607 super isnt over yet

[@beautifulstrange7057]

@@toxicrepeter8607 I consider the ending all inclusive. From the final push to beat the antagonist to the last scene. Dragon Ball - Goku defeating Piccolo, but rather than killing him making him a rival. Goku rejecting godhood. Goku getting married with someone who has always loved him unconditionally. In the show Goku also risking it all in order to prevent his bride to be’s father from dying. Z: Goku, Vegeta, Mr. Satan, and Buu teaming up to defeat Kid Buu. Goku being rewarded for being a good person, all his life by having his wish granted of someone strong, but good to fight and a possible legacy to pass on. Vegeta humbling himself and truly becoming good. Mr. Satan being the hero he always said he was. In the show, fun party scene where Yamcha gets clowned. GT: the spirit bomb. Goku having to leave everyone behind, but before that he makes one last visit to two of his closest friends. He gives his rival one last sparring match, allowing him to win. Decades later, he visits to see his descendent, wearing his clothing and fighting the descendent of his greatest rival. But it’s a friendly fight, so Goku knows everything is gonna be OK for the future. He leaves with a montage of his life playing to Dan Dan Kokoro… Super: Goku, Freeza, and 17 teaming up to defeat Jiren proving that while personal strength is important, friendship is equally if not more important as people are stronger together than alone. The afterparty of course we all love a good party. And we finally see the first TV appearance of Bulma’s sister. Jaco: Bulma showing everybody that she was a prodigy, even from when she was three years old. The revelation that the Time Machine was not solely invented by Bulma but was improved upon the original design of an old man who tried as he might, could not save his own family. Knowing that Bulma would one day go on to save the timeline on top of the shoulders of an old man who showed a bit of kindness to an alien and an inspiring writer

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

heres my cold take: Dragon ball ost for every show goes hard

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569 Here's my hot take. The original Japanese OST for Dragon Ball Z makes the show boring af. It brings no excitement or energy with the exceptions of the vocal tracks but other than that its so quiet I could fall asleep.

[@InfraredGod]

@@ShadowOfMassDestruction I think you should have a close listen to some of the Japanese DBZ Movie Soundtracks (specifically M13XX and M15XX). Tracks like M1216 (Goku vs Cooler) and M1525 (Tragic Battle against Broly) are iconic for a reason, and I assure you they’re NOT quiet.

[@BB_BB_BB_]

@@InfraredGod Word

[@maciomoiado]

​@@ShadowOfMassDestruction If that was true people outside of the US would agree with you. Sorry, but american "O"ST is shit.

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

@@InfraredGod A few okay tracks out of a whole boring soundtrack isn't enough to fully immerse me in the overall experience. I would rather listen to the Bruce Faulconer tracks or even the plagiarised music in Kai over that ost.

[@CageComp]

Welcome to the Grand Tour was gas!!!

[@joseurbina3835]

GT stands for "Goku Time" in the Original Japanese Version, the title "Grand Tour" was just made up from the English Version.

[@jayzdawg3111]

@@joseurbina3835 That's incorrect. The title has always been DragonBall GT. Toriyama called it Grand Tour, so that is what it has always been, English dub or Japanese. Goku Time is a fan theory.

[@MallyG-r4t]

I know you’re iffy on fan made mangas but I would love if you reacted to Dragon Ball AF narrated by Mondo Cool

[@TheEradicator10x]

TSO_Sage you are a very smart man thank you for making this video.

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

tf is this goku black arc glaze.💀

[@VampKhai]

Fuck that shit dude it made trunks a blue haired twink instead of my purple haired goat

[@bandawin18]

We gonna pretend that arc wasn't dope?

[@MarkelScott100]

The arc was peak it just had a bad ending

[@InfraredGod]

@@MarkelScott100 nah the time shit fucked it up too, and zamasu could’ve been way more threatening if he got more info from zuno

[@nickalas666]

@@InfraredGod all kais are dumb u expect to be smart?

[@MetalGuitarEdi]

honestly i feel like super arcs are more interesting than gt's but the assassination & stupidification of Goku's character on super makes it the worst db media to date.

[@nickalas666]

yes them showing goku not being serious all the time mean they ruin his character please read from the original manga

[@MetalGuitarEdi]

@@nickalas666 i said stupid not unserious, secondly i'm thirty years old i've read it & watched dbz more times than you can count. I know the character of Son Goku way longer than you probably.

[@nickalas666]

@@MetalGuitarEdi no one ask you for your age you dumbass.your 30 and obsessed over a fictional character get wife are something

[@itapproaches3484]

My problem with your argument is that you kinda assume that serious Goku just doesn't exist at all, when Goku in multiple arcs hadn't showcased that "stupid" persona that you're talking about and in ui he totally abandons it in its entirety.

[@MetalGuitarEdi]

@@itapproaches3484 let's talk about how he forgot how meditation has been a part of Martial Art's since DB, OR let's talk about how he has 2 kids but doens't know what kissing is let's talk about how he asks vegeta to miss Bra's birth so they can train. but no, you want to confuse stupidity with seriousness, yes during UI he is just serious. He still is the same stupid dumbass with an ego out of control that put all those universes in that situation in the first place.

[@eranshachar9954]

GT over DBS every day all day no hesitation for me. Speaking of the 2nd most beloved part in the franchise for me, S#17 is SHIT! So he has an incredible power. So what?! He is just a flat character with a dumb hair movement and voice. Now ranking top villains that is an idea I love so here is my top 10 from with the first being the best in my opinion: 1.Freeza 2.Baby 3.Goku Black/Zamas (I write it like this because without Zamas there is no Goku Black) 4.Kid Boo (He is not the strongest BTW the manga explains it well) 5.Bejita The-IV 6.Piccoro Jr. 7.Demon King Piccoro 8.Nappa 9.Raditz 10.M. Shen & Tao Pai-Pai (These two were incredibly sadistic, ferocious & manipulative I had to put them on my list. They are together since it's a team and they have similar style).

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Love ❤️ Dragonball GT more over Super 17

[@youssafeJaja]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@xenon3551]

Both are decent shows, but Dbs is a more fun ride with a lot of great action, whereas I consider GT to be a better sequel to Z with a lot of great ideas.

[@joseurbina3835]

GT having Great Ideas that are completely Mishandled led to its Wasted Potential and Poor Execution, so No, it's not a worthy Sequel to Z.

[@xenon3551]

@@joseurbina3835 I never said "worthy," just meant that it feels like a more natural continuation of all the characters and story, and it does not feel like time is stuck like in Super.

[@chriall]

I've been getting a lot of DB shorts lately & the GT ones I see, leave me thinking, ya know what GT was alright. I thing in the past I had been blinded by "Group Think" & just agreed it was bad cause that was the Majority of the fandom was saying. but after comparing Super & GT, they really did dumb down Goku for Super, Almost like he hit his head again & lost a lot of the lessons he learned throughout The OG series & Z

[@Santzu_]

Let me guess, you watched all of the shows in the dub

[@Spooderman-r6y]

​@@Santzu_ I did in sub , u're implying an objection to that comment ?

[@lukescrew1981]

​@@Santzu_ And what if he did?

[@Santzu_]

@@lukescrew1981 Then he would have seen a character that's not Goku

[@kewpiesensei]

the being dumb in question: not being a serious edgy shonen mc every 5 seconds

[@ZYaKnoe249]

Dragon Ball fandom are a weird bunch

[@TribalCheif-ku4vn]

React to DBAF manga

[@HC-gm4fo]

Bruh the para para brothers are goated!!!

[@William99387]

Honestly bro, i think both gt and super can be good and mid at the same time. For the most part, its just a mid off for the fans of each show, and thats coming from someone who really liked gt. As much as i perfer gt over super, i dont think its a masterpiece or even great, its just good and has a nice ending that ended off the series. Super on the other hand was a was for the most part terrible throughout its run, till the top. I will fully admit that top was peak and had me hyped every week. So the two shows kinda balance out.

[@Lokisif34]

I disagree mostly because of the opening stretch of GT, at-least even if you thought stuff like the U6 tourny or Goku black was mid, it was atleast an interesting shake up. Not only was the beginning of Gt trying to mimic OG dragon ball, it introduced a lot of things that were just uninteresting (atleast to me) they had an entire universe to explore and they get like a cool location or 2. I just think they have 2 entirely different strengths. Super feels like the continuation of the dragon ball story, GT feels like a retro continuation, a story normally left unwritten, with imo better designs.

[@William99387]

​@@Lokisif34ok thats compleyely fair, i respect your opinion

[@evandupree6085]

King Piccolo as an antagonist is underrated. As the first real Big bad he laid the groundwork for all future villains. Nothing wrong with him being top 3.

[@adamquenano8563]

Super is probably better I prefer GT more. It had concepts,legendary ending but terrible execution

[@Spooderman-r6y]

" probably " This political correctness level sh*t has messed up the brains of people . Super is better in animation , bad story and transformations , can call it mid because of UI's concept being good . GT is worse in animation , fine story and peak in transformation . No such thing as the vague term " terrible execution " , GT is executed decently , super is pretty much terrible execution in everything outside fight animation .

[@colinward6737]

@@Spooderman-r6yyou’re just going on rants in everyone who doesn’t think GT is leagues above Super. But somehow we’re the ones who are “mad about its existence.” Y’all are ridiculous.

[@aku_siapa_yah]

​@@Spooderman-r6y what make gt story is better than super even they keept making plot hole inconsistent, and to many potensial waste. Like Super android 17 who think he is Beerus, even he can use hakai. And that power is obtain from 2 fusion😂 Also Majuub or Kid uub lose from a Cyborg😂😂 The only bad story in DBS is Ressurection F saga, most of them is mid. But some arc like Battle of gods, Tournament of power, and Moro.

[@Spooderman-r6y]

@@colinward6737 I'm going on with rants on whoever unfairly bashes GT , but u will see what u want to see . And for ur weird implication , i'm greatful dbs exists , even if i'm not even as much satisfied with its story as GT , its fun passive entertainment with fun action in fights, and it only helps all of the old stuff stay relevant and give us stuff like sparking zero. What i AM mad about is people spreading bs with arrogance , and it just happens to be dialed up times 10 when it comes to GT overall .

[@Spooderman-r6y]

@@aku_siapa_yah Dbs has way more of those . And u didn't even mention a legit one from GT lol , i can do that better than u bruh tf are u doing 🤣 . When did Super 17 use hakai ? Yeah and cyborgs made on earth dogged super saiyans back in dbz too after an interplanetary space tyrant got rekt two times by them , forgot that one huh ? I'm not sure u understand what plothole means . Correction : most of them aren't even stories they're literally a plot resulting in lengthened fights .

[@LibraKai]

4:00 you would be half-right. Death of the Author is somewhat applied in this take, but the bulk of it is what's known as the "Intentional Fallacy", where one judges a work of art based on what they "assume" was the artist's intent/purpose of creating it.

[@viraleyes2865]

😂 you say super 17 is bad and we're stupid like it's objective fact, we get it, YOU don't like super 17, he's still one of gt's top 3 villains and he's still the #1 most requested dlc character for sparking zero

[@Arteaga4K]

Sparking Zero already has most people’s favorites so it’s not as big a flex as you think it is 😂

[@Spooderman-r6y]

I mean he bad in story not design or moveset of course

[@viraleyes2865]

@@Arteaga4K no one is flexing dumby boy, stating literal fact

[@viraleyes2865]

@@Spooderman-r6y I agree

[@JakeSteve-xr5ec]

Spopovich made it into sparking zero before super 17🤣🤣

[@InfraredGod]

Bro can we just admit both tried to sequel Z and had their ups and downs

[@arpadszabo661]

GT is fine for a fan project. Super is fine other than the anime repeating the first 2 movies and the Goku black arc ending. Idk what’s the point of this super vs gt war. Both is part of DB, watch what you enjoy.

[@lubersonlubin6719]

Im sure u mean they both fail to live up to z.

[@Sk3lat0rRofficial]

@@lubersonlubin6719well technically nothing can live up to z nothing has its chance to make a impact as much as z did because of timing and how anime was perceived by people dbz was at the time revolutionary and people seem to forget that because of how many more shows are out their either was dbz can’t be surpassed and we got good and bad things from both shows just like in z so

[@Blueflame22455]

I definitely agree it really come down to personal taste/opinion one series has something the others lack and in Vice versa

[@calladus123]

​@@Sk3lat0rRofficial Facts its like people who go "everything after 2pac and biggie is trash"

[@swagtachiuchiha1501]

I've seen that Kid Buu argument so much and it boggles my mind how people still don't have enough brain capacity to understand it

[@paradox4780]

Can I just say I think Mickey is a lame ahh word bruh just been wanting to put that out there

[@Jono_Dio_Da]

I'm NOT listening to an mfer who says Mickey is lame whilst saying ahh and bruh

[@paradox4780]

@Jono_Dio_Da Sage also says bruh? And I got kids, mane. I need to be censoring myself.

[@deion1866]

@@paradox4780we do not care

[@paradox4780]

@deion1866 I hate the internet yall live to hate

[@paradox4780]

@deion1866 mad disrespectful just because you're typing. Keyboard goblins I swear. Keep Yourself Safe

[@flamer6566]

To the GT slander: Many say that GT isn't canon since it isn't written by Toriyama but Toei instead, however, they went to Toriyama with the idea and got his approval for it. He even made multiple character designs. Overall GT was definetly okay. Had high peaks with baby and deep lows with how bad Super 17 was handled. Dude had so much potential with that glorious hair😭 But Super also has deep lows for example the ending of the Goku black saga (Anime)

[@telldetruth9259]

I love how much it bothers Super fans when people don’t hate Super as much as they want it to.

[@MallyG-r4t]

TOP carries Super. Literally is the only reason to recommend Super

[@robinsr4745]

What about Black Arc minus the ending

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

@@robinsr4745manga was better

[@ErmiGultro]

Well, have fun being wrong in your delusional world. I bet you love super 17

[@UtlawBroine]

Cap. Everything aside from the first 2 arcs (which would still be fine if not for garbage animation) and Goku black ending, super is fine.

[@axl256gamesx7]

i mean, goku black and TOP carry super and baby and super 17 carry gt it's perfectly balanced

[@Bman6464]

If Kakarot had sparking zero combat....omg 🥵 Also besides the SSJ4 transformations, GT just didnt hit for me. Wish we could work those transformations back in eventually

[@Asin24]

Both were lackluster sequels but to me GT just due to how good idea wise the Baby Saga and the Shadow Dragon Saga (if it was written and executed better holy crap it would of been actual peak Dragon ball) and the fact it doesn't just actively go out of its way to fuck with the lore and have no regards for what came before like Super does. Honestly Super with all the terrible retcon crap they pulled (Oh freeza was told to destroy Planet Vegeta by Beerus! Why even do that? Just as One of dozens of examples) and the retcons WITHIN its own story being constantly thrown in and things changed it just makes me hate Super Despite any cool fights that might of occured there. That and the fact transformations have successfully been made an absolute Joke. I honestly feel like my hatred for what they chose to do in Super probably ends up making my preference for GT that much stronger despite how damn flawed it was since I'd rather something that could of been great over something that just gave up, couldn't care less about what came before and felt like a forced continuation rather then attempting to make it actually fit.

[@kaienglish271]

Beerus suggested to Frieza to get rid of the saiyans. There’s a difference. I mean u might be talking straight anime but in the manga no form is ever made to be a joke.

[@nickalas666]

so you think the shadow arc actually make sense? u actually think gt don't fuck with the the series lore before it ? u actually think super don't expanded on lore?u actually think gt don't have retcon when a arc was fucking build upon retcon? so u think super retcon was bad but you don't have problem with z or db even gt doing? my guy super don't waste transformation if you read the manga you would know that,and u think z didn't make transformation a joke when they went over three transformation in one arc build up a transformation then just through it out the window for another one in the same arc,you think that wasn't bad? you actually think super was a force continuation when it shows build up from previous arc in the story, show call back and explain upon on it and expanded the lore of the story u think that its actually bad,u actually think gt did that better than super? my guy u sound like a gt fan,a someone who never watch super or z or db u just regurgitate the hate u see online instead of watching the series because it doesn't take long to realize everything you is just stupid.

[@IAmGrootFrom63rd]

@@kaienglish271which is stupid

[@bepbobbap]

Beerus simply *ALLOWED* Frieza to destroy planet Vegeta And for the transformation's I recommend the manga

[@Spooderman-r6y]

" If it was written better " Baby arc is one of the best stories in the franchise as it is written lmao , which i'd only compare to Frieza arc , which is more simple in writing but becomes way better with its execution .

7:28 since when had things made sense in dragonball since super came out gang com on now😂😂😊

[@lmaobox4068]

GT glazers flooding the comments already is insane 💀 I heard Daima being compared ignoring that GT is a cashgrab soulless milk and Daima is a Toriyama passion project

[@dralx2042]

12:48 the midests Dragon Ball series in history vs. The midest Dragon Ball series of today

[@dralx2042]

20:54 from a pure potential stand point, Cell> Freeza, BUT I still think Freeza was the better option. We've seen time and time again that Cell has a HUGE ego and superiority complex. Probably bigger than Freeza's, tbh. I mean, he literally calls himself the Perfect being😂. This would have stopped him from working with the other team members, which means (at least for the anime version) Dyspo stays and the final push on Jiren may actually end worse cuz Cell wants to prove his Perfect strength to the multiverse and will try to take Jiren on alone

[@standley_steamers]

23:31 sage you’re welcome to come to the GT side we won’t trip on you

[@Crodas535]

Too bad GT is dogshit

[@dralx2042]

"NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17🗣🗣"

[@DBGamer1027]

I like BOTH, actually.

[@TheMachesDom]

"NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17"

[@kmdreacts]

GT carries the ki aura and feeling of DBZ and DB. The charavters are older, more mature, more settled into peaceful life on earth, barely any retcons that destroy decades of lore and history, SSJ4 is an all round and massively better transformation than blue ssj, music slaps harder and has better darker tones. We only like Super because of UI breaking the internet.. Essentially, Beerus & Freiza arcs aren't arcs bit movies rehased into some nonsical episodes dragging out. U6 vs U7 was ok but could've been better. Goku Black arc was annoying to watch weekly until the episode Vegeta hands Goku Black his ass with another great speech. And, T.o.P was mostly meh with some good episides scattered throughout it. Also, let us remember what Bulma said about not seeing Goku for 5yrs at the end of Z, but in Super after defeating Buu, they've fought: Beerus, Freeza, U6, Goku Black, Jelly Vegeta, the entire multiverse in 48mins, Moro, Broly, Granolah and Cell Max... All during the so called peaceful period after Buu with Pan practically the same age she was end of Z 🤷🏿‍♂️ Super is trash people.. Its finally time to admit that and its retconning ways.

[@thizzmonkey7846]

I don’t know what everyone is tripping about. I love all dragonball. I am a fan of all of it. Except the Z Broly movies cuz he wasn’t a good character. he was a monster sure but he had no substance as far as back story outside of “oh kakarot is crying. I hate him now and am evil because of it.” It’s why I Like super Broly better.

[@Abbaa69]

They both sucks, But GT has the highest highs.

[@WakandaGolff]

Ui legit was the most hyped moment on the internet to the point people were watching it on the hub stop the GLAZEEE

[@Abbaa69]

@WakandaGolff It's just an overpowered power-up. In terms of storytelling, I don't see how it's better than the best moments of GT. For example, among the best moments of GT, the ending of Dragon Ball GT stands out, and I personally find it even better than the ending of DBZ.

[@WakandaGolff]

@ no it isn’t it legit fits in with all of Goku training so well, legit master roshi speaks on this in DRAGON BALL how allowing your body to naturally flow and instinctively dodge and then HE DOES IN THE TOURNAMENT, the ending of gt is legit just a worse version of the on at the end of the buu saga (oh durr fusion didn’t work guess we need energy from across the whole universe to defeat and opponent that was conjured using the energy of other people) just say you like gt without capping

[@Abbaa69]

@@WakandaGolff So, the peak of Dragon Ball Super is just a buildup to a power-up? I'm not saying it's incoherent or bad, it just shows that DBS, even at its peak, is mostly about training to achieve new forms to fight the main bad guy of the week, over and over again. On the other hand, In comparison the ending of GT is symbolic, with Goku’s departure with Shenron serving as a perfect conclusion for his character. It mirrors the themes present in Dragon Ball during the Cell and Buu arcs, such as the transition to the next generation. ALso this ending also represents a certain wisdom in Goku’s character, unlike the version of Goku in Dbs who is stupid af.

[@WakandaGolff]

@ that wasn’t training to achieve new forms it’s the final compositing of all of Goku arcs journeys and training reach its greatest heights everything he learned from Kami, roshi, king Kai, and whis combining to his ultimate peak. goku leaving in gt is 1 nonsensical and not even sensible considering what just happened the next generation couldn’t even touch ssj4 only vegeta would have the burden of protecting from any there even close to babys level the next generation was fucking pan who can’t even go super saiyan yet somehow her grandkids did. It’s not symbolic it’s legit trying to recreate moments from the past and failing at it and calling super Goku stupid just shows your biased, legit gt Goku sat and ate while people where getting gunned down and robbed outside even pan mentions multiple times how childish her grandfather is (not to mention only his physical age changed not mentally). Goku in super is the same person that figured out how to bypass time skip, figured out how to allow the saiyan of other universes to achieve ssj2 and figured out how to infuse god ki with super saiyan just stop, gt Goku didn’t even know he could go ssj4 until baby made him realize he could go golden ozaru and he legit damn near killed pan trying to

[@lukescrew1981]

GT better than Super AND Z

[@youssafeJaja]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@LisaEverz]

Fax

[@lukescrew1981]

@@youssafeJaja Ye

[@Spooderman-r6y]

Nope not Z

[@lukescrew1981]

@Spooderman-r6y Yes Z

[@twilightsparkle75]

dude para para brothers were strong af. strong enough to control even goku.

[@Espurr.8]

When it comes to gt and super fan all i see them do is hate the other show

[@RedMoonLoop]

TSO death of the author is just a theory some people subscribe to its not a law or logical fallacy. Its also just regarding how to interpret what was written and has nothing to do with outside statements.

[@nivnavion]

Ok but ultimately, that does not make a difference, because if "death of the author" is an opinion people to subscribe to, then it makes it the concept of subjectivity either way. Author says: XYZ In my opinion I, disagree and cite DOA Someone therefore cannot objectively say, my subjective usage of DOA is wrong, because it is my opinion. It is my interpretation that DOA is right, and from this interpretation, I can manifest another interpretation that disagrees with the authorial statement. Also it does extend to outside statement. In Roland Barthes' essay, it does describe the fact that an author cannot dictate what the meaning of a work is. Hypothetically, even if it did not, you could just fashion your own interpretation of DOA itself.

[@RedMoonLoop]

@nivnavion Death of the author says that intent of the author does not matter only what the audience can interpret from what was written. It's not concerned with any outside statements as that's outside the scope of it. It's a literary concept designed for literary students on how to interpret meaning from a work without having to consider the authors intent or how their upbringing may affect their writing. It's merely something to consider when reading and writing so as to not get bogged down with superfluous details and never meant to say the authors word has no value.

[@nivnavion]

@@RedMoonLoop Yes, that is my understanding of it, but my point is if someone uses death of the author, there is nothing from stopping them from doing so and they may use it all that they want. It is sort of as Sage said. If Toriyama once said that Pilaf could defeat the grand priest, you would have to be a fool to agree with it because the author said so, you have to interpret the text yourself. Also, if an author says something, outside the text they created, it is still authorial intention, albeit outside the book, Barthes never actively stated that DOA could not be extrapolated to outside statements.

[@dralx2042]

With Super 17, you can't even say the concept is good..... cuz it isn't 😂😂😂

[@HorsetheWork]

10:00 instead of cell just say gero he's top 3

[@joshuamarx9846]

Gt a gem of most are youths and that why so many people are like gt is better even tho it not but I agree dragin ball gt had great ideas bad execution I will say baby is the best arch for sure everything you've said I agree with except super android 17 it my second so I very much dislike the dragin arch and how vegeta is done gt is crap but him in super is better but not much

[@TheLuuman]

Hot take, GT characters are stronger than ssg characters from super. Ssgss is weaker than ssj4, by leagues. And Super may only barely have caught up during the manga of the moro arc, i only mean ssj4 goku levels of power at its peak, not ssj4 fused characters like gogeta. Nowhere near ssj4 gogeta.

[@nickalas666]

you mean brain dead take

[@dabotbruh2555]

Yeah naturon shenron slams saitama

[@bepbobbap]

Dawg krillin slam's Saitama 😭🙏​@@dabotbruh2555

[@numberhunter62]

There are some reasonable arguments that put SSJ 4 Goku barely above Z Vegetto. And if we use in series statements then it takes until Super Baby to surpass Z Vegetto. And you can't truly argue that Goku gets massively stronger throughout GT. Battle of Gods puts God Goku in a completely different league to Z Vegetto, and that then becomes his base. And we all know that the ToP in the tournament of powercreep.

[@calladus123]

​@@numberhunter62its old as fuck but GT perfect files scales buu saga vegito equal or greater than ssj4 goku in the baby saga.

[@shadowking2153]

My hot take is that vegeta should’ve gotten blue evolution in the goku black arc (see cartho video) and ultra ego should’ve been introduced in the TOP

[@InfraredGod]

@@shadowking2153 if you wanted to equalize Goku and Vegeta faster then sure, but I think Super was cycling through transformations too fast

[@shadowking2153]

@ i don’t think it would equalizing them that much faster since it would just be one arc sooner

[@Spooderman-r6y]

My hot take is Blue evolution shouldn't be a thing , its literally just nothing lol.

[@EudaemonYoutube]

Wild Dragon Ball has both Super 17 and 17 (Super)

[@ballinphil3025]

Super is trash

[@johnrov693]

Toriyama literally writes goku and vegeta to not use fusion on kid buu, but needed to use fusion on buuhan. If we're using what the author thinks then it's clear he believes the fusions of buu to be the strongest.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

Goku admitted that they should’ve used the potara against Buu. Plus at the end they needed everyone one earth in order to beat him lol

[@johnrov693]

@dominiquerobinson8888 Yes, but that's because of buu's regeneration and ssj3s lack of endurance. Ssj3 goku was able to fight kid buu. Vegito > goku. Goku didn't even attempt to fight buu fusion in ssj3 he jumps straight to potara.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

@@johnrov693 But their reasoning on fighting Buu without fusion was because Buu wasn’t fused anymore. On top of that they were underestimating him.

[@johnrov693]

@dominiquerobinson8888 Yes I agree. Buu isn't fused anymore and they aren't fused anymore. They are both weaker. If goku is equal to kid buu than fused goku and vegeta are stronger than kid buu. They are also stronger than buuhan but needed to fuse in terms of power to even fight him. Goku doesn't need fusion to fight kid buu, but he would need help to kill him just because of kid buus regen. Since buu is no longer fused they make it fair and unfuse so it will be a fair fight. Goku wouldn't fuse for an opponent he can beat on his own, even if he views it as multiple opponents, especially since when he fused with vegeta he thought it would be forever. Goku underestimated kid buu, but kid buu turned out to be equal in power to ssj3 goku, goku just doesn't have the energy to beat buus regen and ssj3 has terrible endurance. Kid buu is the strongest unfused buu, but even in what I believe to be toriyamas mind, that's it.

[@KodexKat]

Super literally put a movie in the first 20 episodes. GT is peak it’s not even close. Super ends with a big bad guy literally becoming a universe with scary faces…… like are we seriously comparing this? People only say super because the top arc and with that you’re basically saying top is more entertaining than ALL OF GT…

[@BucketWasTakenTwice]

to be fair, gt had only 65 episodes and the whole top arc ( including universe survival ) was 55 episodes aka nearly half of super. say what you will about goku black/the arc at least he was pretty entertaining to watch with a w intro.

[@nickalas666]

yes super is better than gt

[@KodexKat]

@@BucketWasTakenTwice goku black arc was repetitive.

[@bepbobbap]

One sentence "NO ONE CAN BEAT ME WHEN I'M SUPER 17"

[@numberhunter62]

It takes roughly half of GT until Baby appears, and unless you are out here gassing up the Lood Saga. I think saying GT is leagues better than Super is just wrong. No one talks about anything that happens in the first half of GT except for the meme about the Para Para brothers so I wouldn't be out here calling it peak. Also, visually the GT fights are just boring.

[@ThePhantom-e8d]

The only thing I really think was good for Vegeta in Super was that he got SSBE by himself, and it’s only for him so far. Technically called “Royal Blue.” But, I always felt he pulled of the SSJ4 look so much cooler. Because it’s meant to be the PINNACLE of a Saiyan’s power. And I don’t care for Blue, because it can never get a win besides Goku beating Golden Frieza.

[@nickalas666]

super saiyan 3 is the pinnacle of a saiyan power

[@ThePhantom-e8d]

@ I meant in GT specifically.

[@TribalCheif-ku4vn]

GT haters really get offended that the show isn’t despised anymore 😂😂

[@UtlawBroine]

In what universe it is not despised? Still a non canon trash that only has some kind of worth because of ssj4.

[@Arteaga4K]

Hard to be as despised when you’re irrelevant

[@standley_steamers]

@@UtlawBroinewell I hope you know there’s no such thing as canon the big man him self said it why do you think there 3 super continuities movie anime and manga there all different. So does that mean there all non canon? Or are the movies only canon because big tori wrote thoses movies and not the anime or manga ?

[@Spooderman-r6y]

@@UtlawBroine " DBGT is a grand side story of *original dragon ball* " - Akira Toriyama Cry now

[@MallyG-r4t]

@@Spooderman-r6y lmaooo I love how they never bring up that quote directly from him.

[@andrebryant5081]

Kid Buu is the strongest Buu fools

[@gangsterspongebob6020]

Hot take (And I'll try to make it short and sweet): Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is a good form Narratively, it was (In my opinion) a parallel to Ultra Instinct (-Sign-). 1. They both partially realize their path to powers, Goku Realizes this and was one of the main reasons why he unlocked the state, and Vegeta learnt this by evolving in his own way in his own path 2. Their transformations both foreshadowed a new one that being UE and MUI, both making Vegeta and Goku finding their true realization for their growths and journeys to power, The Angel Route (Goku's) And the G.O.D's Route (Vegeta's). I could go on, but I'll be yapping, the point is SSBE is a good form and can show his development of his Destructive Nature and Capabilities.

[@nickalas666]

super saiyan blue evolution is just grade 2,what the hell you rambling on about?

[@Spooderman-r6y]

Evolution didn't foreshadow UE. Its literally a nothing powerup with greater muscles . Even worse than Ssj grade 2 , cuz they had mastered ssj long ago , grade 2 isn't supposed to be more powerful .

[@UtlawBroine]

Blue evolution didn’t foreshadow anything and it’s not a parallel to Ui. It was a parallel to SSB Kaioken x20.

[@BucketWasTakenTwice]

@@gangsterspongebob6020 yeah bro I don't follow.

[@poloralphwebster5013]

Yo, if 17 can keep up with blue Goku, then I think it's safe to say if Krillin was turned into an android he would be able to hold his own when it comes to the big dawgs of the show

[@thecoffeemainiak5400]

And even if the excuse is something like Bulma doesn't want to risk the procedure because she has never done it before and doesn't want to risk Krillins life, we have Dr Hedo now who is smarter than Gero. So it is definitely possible.

[@poloralphwebster5013]

@thecoffeemainiak5400 Right and on top of that they can just say he was tired of being weaker than his wife 😆 so he wanted the upgrade

[@UtlawBroine]

Tbf, 17 keeping up with blue Goku still makes 0 sense lmao, but yeah, at this point every android created by gero could be god level with Super’s writing

[@jg5004]

Freeza isn’t racists, he’s speciesist.

[@SavantPete]

Sometimes you just got to turn your brain off and enjoy the anime for what it is

[@InfraredGod]

Preach

[@nickalas666]

gt right?

[@InfraredGod]

@@nickalas666 Nah both fr, but if we talk super manga then super slams imo

[@nickalas666]

@@InfraredGod when am talking super i just talk the manga,i like the build up for black in the anime and some part of the top but thats it.

[@Spooderman-r6y]

​@@nickalas666 Oh boy who gonna tell this guy to watch super 😂

[@TheTupMan]

1:41 At what point is MHA animation considered to be mediocre/not great? I’ve always thought it looked very good throughout. Other than MAYBE episode 1 where all might one shots the sludge guy saving bakugo, it’s looked very good in my opinion. But the fights also got longer, so I’m not too sure if that’s a fair comparison to make anyway.

[@ClassicKrak83]

The only mental misconception folks just seem to be so locked in on that irks me is that Final Form Freeza is actually his original/base form. Which showcases perfectly how op he is. Actually having to nerf yourself just to function typically in society.

[@SpacePea]

Sage my guy you GOTTA react to Dragonball Deliverance, its an animated fanseries on KZbin and from someone who animates too: It looks better than the DBS Broly movie at some points. Give it a try brotha 🙏

[@BreakerSGS9009]

IS THAT THE GOAT SPACEPEA!? BRO YOU ARE ONE OF, IF NOT, MY FAVOURITE SPRITE ANIMATOR! LOVE YOUR VIDEOS A BUNCH

[@axl256gamesx7]

OMG SPACEPEA?! I'm a huge fan

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

I scrolled too far. I just someone say zamasu is BETTER than FRIEZA. Any take under the sun no matter how gobshite it is tso comments got it. Tso community exotic to say the least😂

[@ArizonaTeaMan]

Idk if you do hot takes from comments of previous videos, but if you break it down most of what happens in super is a remix of gt, quite literally stole their own flow and people eat it up

[@nickalas666]

really are this stupid

[@bcleary120]

I will never understand the GT Renaissance. It sucked when I was a kid and it sucks now. All of its "good ideas" only make sense when you apply zero actual thought to them and many outright feel like a middle finger to the original work (I have written whole ass essays about how the Shadow Dragons are the worst thing the franchise has ever done and if I had any skill, I'd do a whole video essay on the topic). It's ugly as sin with some of the worst animation and choreography I've ever seen in a DB series. Every OG character is either a shell of their former self or Sir Not Appearing In This Anime and the new ones don't fare much better. The music outside the OP and EDs is horrible (at least Kikuchi managed to escape with his dignity intact tho). And in general it just feels so soulless, devoid of any of the magic and spectacle that made Dragon Ball what it was (almost like the guy who created this world and characters had next to no involvement or something). The idea that its some hidden masterpiece that was unfairly judged in its time is just not true lol. And the fact that it's defenders can never really judge the show on its own merits and have to either drag down other works (and I am not even that big on Super, I just think its a solid 7-ish/10) or cling onto a version of it that only exists in their heads vs the actual product really just drives it home. I know that sounds really condescending but like after sorta rewatching it via the TFS rewatch/review series I have far less patience for this piece of shit than I already had.

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

You wrote this essay just for me to call you a goofy lol

[@IAmGrootFrom63rd]

Only thing I got from this comment is that your a follower

[@MallyG-r4t]

Super literally assassinates Goku’s character lol

[@Santzu_]

@@MallyG-r4t No it didn't. GT did that

[@ZYaKnoe249]

@@MallyG-r4teasily

[@axl256gamesx7]

how did the doctors build another 17 in hell??? that's a question I've never got an answer to

[@ruff1236]

Hot take the manga is trash and they can keep it, unless Toei makes some serious revisions. I’m fine with Daima

[@IAmGrootFrom63rd]

*says you don’t hate GT* *all content is anti GT*

[@TSO_Sage]

I don’t even talk GT like that 😂 i reacted twice, one time i liked it one time I didn’t… btw the time i liked it YALL made it a sub vs dub debate. Furthermore if I did hate it.. I’d just say so 😂 everyone knows I hate Super 17 and SSR for example

[@nickalas666]

@@TSO_Sage nah gt ass

[@dralx2042]

Sage needs to do a bingo board whenever he does a hot takes video😂😂😂

[@VampKhai]

Super is obviously better than GT that's just an objective fact but GT does indeed do certain aspects better than Super which I could actually agree with

[@emmarod8746]

You lost me when your coming at a opinion debate saying your take is the objective fact.

[@VampKhai]

@@emmarod8746 I mean dude just watch GT and then Catch up to dragon ball super and you see a clear difference in writing quality, pacing, animation, character relevance, etc its just a "better" series

[@emmarod8746]

@ I’ve seen GT and I’ve watched and read Super. I’m not on either side of the fence and I think even after weighing the pros and cons of both shows, they both bring valid things to the Dragonball series.

[@VampKhai]

@@emmarod8746 yeah im not saying GT is a waste of time or invaluable im just saying how super is just a superior series in most aspects there both fun to watch

[@emmarod8746]

@@VampKhai That’s fine if you feel that way, but when you say like it’s impossible for other people to like GT more then Super, that was my main gripe. I’m not defending GT either because Z is better then both of them in my opinion, but I wouldn’t get upset if someone said they thought Super or GT was better then Z. I would question it, but at the end of the day it’s their opinion and not a fact if you get what I’m saying.

[@toomberrebmoot9244]

Saying that “Kid Buu is the strongest buu because that’s what Toriyama intended” is more than just a Death of the Author fallacy, it flies in the face of every time the narrative clarified that he was simply the most unhinged version of the character. Toriyama LITERALLY CLARIFIED IN THE STORY ITSELF that Buuhan was stronger.

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

It’s clearly what he intended lol. Cause according to the same powerscalings and what we see when they buus body Kid Buu is supposed to be weaker than Super Buu. But when they actually fight kid Buu they don’t bring Gohan or Gotenks

[@colinward6737]

Watching the GT glazers in here is just hilarious to me.

[@Crodas535]

I love telling them GT is ass, because it is, and seeing them just have a meltdown 😂

[@Sh34528]

Both super and gt are bad honestly Super had better side characters (beerus and whis) Gt had better main character who didn’t suffer character assassination Super had ugly animation gt had it even worse Gt vegeta was better than super counterpart Gt ending was better

[@FearKD]

@@Sh34528 Gt ending was better? Ending didn’t even make sense the whole point of the plot didn’t even get solved Goku turned into a kid for nothing basically and super had ugly animation in the beginning acting like the whole series was just garbage GT on the other hand not a single fight compares to super

[@nickalas666]

@@Sh34528 gt vegeta was better than super do you actually have a brain?

[@nickalas666]

@@Sh34528 name the actual better main character gt has besides goku?

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

gt and super fans be having mid off's every hot take😂

[@trulybarr5341]

Dbs manga blows Gt out of the water idc

[@stevenmark4407]

@@trulybarr5341fr

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@trulybarr5341it’s still kid compared to the actual dragonball manga so op’s point is still valid. Even if you think it blows gt out of the water it’s nowhere close to ACTUAL dragonball aka db-dbz, so its still a mid off

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

@@trulybarr5341it’s literally worse versions of Z arcs lmao. The idea of the GT arcs kills it alone

[@Santzu_]

@@mookiestewart3776 And why is that? Because it wasn't made in the 90s?

7:14 the gas lightning is insane no one ever has asked for that all they just want the dam z fighters to be more useful and stronger that's it why does he always jump to oh yall want them to be one shooting goku wtf😂😂😂😂 who said that!!?

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

GT just pros and cons of the buu saga into a whole show

[@InfraredGod]

You know, when you really think about it, that’s almost true with the exception of things like Vegeta getting hoed for the first 80% of the story

[@ShadowOfMassDestruction]

​@@InfraredGod​​When isn't Vegeta getting hoed for 80% of the show?

[@DS123-gb8tf]

I hate to say it but gt literally is goku time i love gt too but come on nobody could touch 17 as ssj / ssj 2 but kid goku as regular ssj just one punch 17 halfway across the planet

[@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569]

@@DS123-gb8tf buu saga only was cooking when goku was there to be honset

[@InfraredGod]

@@ShadowOfMassDestruction I mean at least in Z Vegeta can last a few minutes against the main villain before getting stomped into oblivion. Baby and 17 made shorter work of Vegeta than any villain in Z except for Final Form Frieza and Buu.

[@5001Fergies]

whats even funnier about this dude tryna claim kid buu is strongest is he doesnt even use a toriyama quote, bro just says “i feel like toriyama wanted kid buu to be stronger” like cool nobody cares what u feel, did tori actually say it? no? then shut up

[@1of1MaccSauce]

He’s disappointed in the DBZ community 😭

[@tjjjjjjjjjj]

"lets say toriyama wakes up tomorrow" ?????

[@Arteaga4K]

GT is irrelevant in 2024, let it go

[@Spooderman-r6y]

@@Arteaga4K Sure it is buddy , some of u guys really get ticked off by GT's presence huh 😂

[@TheEradicator10x]

Gt isn't irrelevant, it was not the best show but Broly's ikari transformation is the same as ssj4

[@MallyG-r4t]

@@Arteaga4K yet it got its own trailer in the biggest modern dragon ball game that has more views than the super one

[@_Lividity_]

I'm just gonna say it, GT fans live off of nostagia. There is no shot any of these GT fans have actually watched GT any time recently. Every single character is OUT of charcter accept Goku to a degree, Vegeta isn't even a character until the ladder half of the last arc, and no matter how much you guys wanna over glaze up the Baby arc it genuinely has one of the worst endings to an arc i have ever SEEN. Super isn't a masterpiece, but in comparison i might as well be staring at the Mona Lisa.

[@FK74396]

I’m gonna disagree with you on the fact that every character is where they SHOULD be post Buu saga. It’s something called DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH. I ain’t saying GT is perfect, hell I wouldn’t even say it’s better than OG DB, but don’t give it such a half assed criticism. There are so many more things to shit on the show about like the quite frankly awful dub.

[@InfraredGod]

@@_Lividity_ GT aint perfect, but Super got major narrative problems that are relatively as bad as GTs imo. If any arc had a shitty ending, it’s def the Goku Black Arc.

[@William99387]

I watched gt 3 years ago and liked it, i dont think its nostalgia.

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

Yeah you’re just a goofy

[@IAmGrootFrom63rd]

Saying a character that’s regularly featured isn’t a character until the end is wildly stupid

[@joltic-ps4oo]

The best Way to watch GT is to listen to the opening and that's it

[@unclebobboomergames]

GT feels hollow. It feels more like a cash grab than super ever did

[@Spooderman-r6y]

Oh opposite day celebrations i'm here for it 🙋

[@colinward6737]

@@Spooderman-r6y found the GT glazer

[@unclebobboomergames]

@Spooderman-r6y gt literally existed because the studio NEEDED dragonball on air after a decade. Come now

[@unclebobboomergames]

@@colinward6737 i like GT more than anyone i personally know. Its like a 69/100. A D+. Pass the class. But a good parent will ground you for it. If you watch it with the american OST it goes to a 64/100. That american ost just doesnt match the vibe at all of whats going on. It causes a massive disconnect. Thats worth an entire half letter grade demotion. Watched it Dub with the original japanese ost this summer. Watched the whole thing. DBZGTS. All in prep for Daima

[@MallyG-r4t]

@@unclebobboomergames the dragon ball anime as a WHOLE is cash grab lol. Are you dumb

[@daxmoney5011]

Broly, Moro, Super Hero and TOP all clear GT imo The baby arc, and Goku Jr special were great, but omega shenron could have been SO MUCH BETTER. Also GT Goten is proof that he could actually be a character with personality and unique traits, unlike what Super showed of him just being Trunks sidekick

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

None of those arcs are good or clear anything lol.

[@youssafeJaja]

@@PeterStone-hy6ir bro is obsessed white super lol

[@youssafeJaja]

@@PeterStone-hy6ir if thes arcs are not good gt is trash fact

[@Spooderman-r6y]

Nothing in dbs clears GT , it at its best matches shadow dragon saga level well done depth. Nothing touches Baby arc let alone the best transformation Ssj4.

[@daxmoney5011]

@@Spooderman-r6y the best transformation is either SSJ or SSG, Super Saiyan God is my favorite, because it’s the culmination of all of Gokus accomplishments throughout Z, as he does not get the form if he isn’t pure of heart which rubs off on his friends and family like Vegeta.

[@diddly-squat9332]

• Toriyama never stated or intended for Pure Boo to be the strongest, even the manga stated us such an guess who wrote the manga. Pure Boo was scary because he was... Pure, he didn't care at all about anything, he only wanted to destroy and have fun with it, just like Goku only truly enjoys himself with a challenging fight. The Evil Buu was scared not of Pure Buu specifically, but because he didn't want to lose himself, to lose his identity. The writing in the anime is what turned Pure Boo into the strongest Buu, which makes no sense at all; • GT Gokū and Vegeta 4 being the best team is bad cause Vegeta, in GT was there only to give Gokū an enemy in Baby, a Powerup in Gogeta and be a distraction to help Gokū land the final blow. Generally speaking, GT didn't have the same backbone as Super, but it's not like Super was that much better, even if Toriyama was there, they still took too many liberty with the story and that could be good, but not when Toriyama, Toyotaro and TOEI have three different visions in mind. It's never a good thing to have many chefs in the same kitchen, no matter what. • Freeza VS Caulifla... STOP USING THE AMERICAN ADAPTATIONS TO PROVE IDIOTIC POINTS, Freeza does NOT talk about prejudice, he says that he is attacking them because of instinct, because he has beef with Goku and Vegeta, the american dub is what turned Freeza into a r*cist character, and honestly majority of characters, specially when it comes to the anime. "なぜで しょうね... 本能とも 言いましよ しょうか" "I wonder why... I guess you could call it instinct" Honestly, I still have to find someone on the planet that can actually prove that Freeza is r*cist without using any bad translation. • Reviving Cell for the ToP it's stupid. First, Freeza was still hang in there cause HE REFUSED to reincarnate, Cell does not have the same obsession Freeza has for his own life, nobody has demonstrated that level of obsession with the material world. Second, Cell got where he did by absorbing people, not training, Freeza has now the mindset to train for ten years straight and he needed to learn from that lesson multiple times, before understanding, how much time do they have to waste with someone even more cowardly than him? ○ On a side note, please, everyone, stop calling Piccolo "Piccolo Jr" 😂 that's not a thing, at all... He just used the nickname "Ma/Demon Junior" one time for the tournament and that's it, his name is Piccolo. You can't even make the argument of Ma Junior meaning Piccolo Junior, cause Piccolo means "Another World".

[@pieceofcheese2625]

Not sure if this is a hot take since I see a lot of people bashing GT in the comments but i'm just gonna throw this out there. I think The Baby arc is overrated and the Granola arc is a better version of its concept. Both of them at their core is about a victim of Saiyan genocide but the difference is that the Baby arc does not do as much with the idea as it should have, Vegeta does not confront or reflect on the slaughter the Saiyans inflicted on the Tuffles and even justifies it by saying that the only reason the Tuffles were exterminated was because they were "unworthy",and there is no attempt at all to reason with Baby and the story makes it impossible because Baby himself is pure evil and tries to repopulate his race by infecting every thing with his parasites, so Goku can just kill him and move on and Vegeta is out for the whole thing after Baby steals his body. But in the Granola arc before he even meets Granola the arc starts off with Vegeta answering Beerus's questions about the Saiyans and he admits that Frieza can't be given all the blame for the Saiyains murder and conquest of other races and that it was King Vegeta's thirst for power that set the Sayans on the path to their own enslavement and destruction and believes that he now carries the sins of his father and the whole race, and when he and Goku get baited into fighting Granola by the Heeters, Vegeta gets to see the result of the destruction the Saiyans caused and when he fights Granola and gains ultra ego he tries to play into the brutal ways of the Saiyans to try and maintain the form but fails because he has grown to much to revert to that kind of person, he acknowledges that Granola's grudge against the Saiyans is justified and allows Granola to kill him before Goku and Munaito stop the attack. Granola as a character also works well because while he is immature hotheaded and a bit of a dumbass he is not evil like Baby his beef is with Frieza and the Saiyans alone he does not get anybody else involved in his revenge like Baby did and both Goku and Vegeta try to reason with but it only fails cause he is a dumbass and a crash out, but when he does calm he does listen to what everyone has to say and by the end of the arc Vegeta learns to let go of the past and that he does not need to burden himself with the sins of his race and Granola learns throwing away his life for revenge is dumb and a insult to everyone who helped him survive this long and even Goku gets a little something with remembering his parents and understanding what Saiyan pride is about. TL;DR Baby arc did nothing with a cool idea and Granola arc actually did so Granola arc > Baby arc

[@nickalas666]

facts

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

You’re opinion sucks and it’s clear you didn’t actually watch

[@IAmGrootFrom63rd]

Granola literally makes Goku’s entire journey a protection by Dragon Ball from Bardock..

[@MallyG-r4t]

So basically you like the show with forced fan service and remakes of Z arcs lol

[@pieceofcheese2625]

@@IAmGrootFrom63rd The wish Bardock asked for only made it so Goku and Raditz would be guaranteed to get off Planet Vegeta before Frieza blew it up, Vegeta points this out in the very same chapter, and going past the two being spared from Frieza, Raditz gets treated like trash by Vegeta and Nappa, then he dies on earth with them mocking his death and deciding the dragon balls are better used for something other then bringing him back, Goku also constantly struggles, fumbles and even dies several times through out all of the show and dies permanently to a heart disease in Future Trunk's timeline which is the original timeline lore wise since Dragon ball uses the branching timeline version of time travel that simply creates a new timeline branching off the original if you go back to change the past rather then rewriting the future you came from. And even if we can't agree on that, the wish does not have anything to do with my take of the Granola arc being a better version of the Saiyan genocide victim concept compared to the Baby arc since this is more about how Vegeta responds to the situation.

[@DS123-gb8tf]

Super massacred everybody’s character ( Goku, vegeta, gohan, piccolo, etc. ) and GT is literally Goku Time so they both have the same problem, good concept and bad execution

[@nickalas666]

name how super massacred there character?

[@Tournament_Host]

@@nickalas666goku forgetting what meditation is (I don’t care if the manga fixed this, they literally had him forget what meditation is as a whole acting as if he didn’t know what it was despite the fact he was doing it since he was a kid..) Vegeta still being “rivals” with Goku despite admitting Goku is number one. Gt Vegeta still trained as to not get weak but he never ever tried acting as if he was number 1 and was getting into a rivalry with Goku again. Gohan isn’t really character assinated and neither is piccolo. But Goku and Vegeta for sure went through some character regression.

[@BucketWasTakenTwice]

extremely hot take: super didn't massacre goku, piccolo, freiza, and vegeta ( to an limit) goku: lets be real, he's not that smart to begain with and it definiantly seems like his character will be going through more development i.e into god hood and tranquility. ( but to be fair the manga manages to convay this far better) piccolo: imma be real he lost alot of his coolnest post 23 tenki- and really didn't pick up being interesting for me at least till dbsh, hell the namakias as a whole werent to crazy for a while but take that as you will frezia: top was easly the best and most sinister ive seen him instead of being arrogant and one note hes now plans his attacks much better, knows when to make a entrance and is just so much fun to watch/so quotable . ( Hello monkeys :D) vegeta: he regressed only becuse theres a new level of power to obtain and he learn theres a better path for him to take. his character is once more developing in to a similar fashion of god hood as goku but one of destruction and pride, and besides, hes a sayian. eventho he admitted to goku being stronger he still trains bog movie/anime proved this and i belive gt to.

[@nickalas666]

@@Tournament_Host so u literally saying you hate that goku don't know meditation when he actually showcase it in the manga or that u wont admit that was purely the author fault for doing that bullshit when the character where seen doing it in story and dbs manga like arcs before,so u ok with just pushing that stupid agenda and saying that goku is dumb because you don't want to acknowledge that its a mistake by the author?this just show be how dumb u is. my guy just because vegeta say goku is number one right now doesn't mean he don't want to surpass goku or he don't see him as rival again,are u actually this braindead?.goku said vegeta was stronger than him during the moro arc was this character regression,did goku not see vegeta as someone worth competing with at that point?no it was him actually acknowledging vegeta that's all vegeta was doing in during the buu saga but your small brain can't see that. my guy gt vegeta character is non existent ,he throw away all what make him an interesting character just because goku is stronger than him.do you call that character development or character who don't care any more?why i even ask u this you rather a character be a bitch than actual character.

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

The first arc stars 3 character. How is that Goku Time? Lol

[@5001Fergies]

gotta be tough being a gt fan, their only attempt at defense is comparing it to the unanimously least favorite dragonball series, super 😂its like saying “well the food’s shit, but at least its not rat poison”

[@Spooderman-r6y]

@@5001Fergies Nah it ain't sh*t . But u're right , " At least GT is the best dragon ball that came after Z " is my go to thing to say . Lol

[@MallyG-r4t]

@@5001Fergies cope

[@Crodas535]

It’s so dogshit, I love seeing GT dickriders have a meltdown over different opinions 😂

[@AuraBerserker]

Alright here's a hot take, SSJ4 Gogeta was pointless, he achieved nothing in the long-term run of things.

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

Neither did Vegito in Buu or Zamasu

[@IAmGrootFrom63rd]

The Earth literally would’ve got destroyed

[@AuraBerserker]

@ vegito had more of a point in the buu saga, Goku and vegeta were too weak to prove a threat against buuham so they fused and taunted buu into absorbing them so they could save their friends. Gogeta 4 taunted omega reverted him back to syn only form him to defuse omega reclaims all 6 dragon balls and infects the earth once again with negative energy mind you after gogeta purified it. Mind you he did t have to do any of that to purify the planet just killing him would have done it like the other dragons Goku and pan killed. Vegito against Zamasu I agree, but I don’t see the hype anymore around ssj4 gogeta when he was whole fight was him playing around instead of finishing ending it. At least with vegito against buu he had a good reason and for Zamasu he wasn’t playing with him.

[@AuraBerserker]

@@IAmGrootFrom63rd gogeta killing omega would have solved that situation, each time Goku and pan defeated the dragons it cleared up the planet of the negative energy, killing omega right then and there would have cleared it up.

[@MallyG-r4t]

@@AuraBerserkerthis is a excuse because there was no positive benefit

[@nickalas666]

only great thing about gt is the ending

[@DS123-gb8tf]

The ending, the consequences of abusing dragon balls, and diving more into the saiyan lore, the saiyans were a$$holes and DB super is trying to make them good guys & super heroes

[@William99387]

​@@DS123-gb8tfi dont think they were trying to make saiyans "super heroes" but they did make them nicer

[@nickalas666]

@@DS123-gb8tf gt dive more into saiyan lore?name the actual saiyan that turn into a good guy in super

[@nickalas666]

@@William99387 no they didn't

[@nickalas666]

@@DS123-gb8tf you think the consequence of abusing dragon balls actual make sense, when the purpose of the dragon ball is to grant wish? and there was never this thing about how you can't make certain wish are there was any consequence from making wishes if there were such thing it would be establish in db or z or kami would know of it.

[@kreuger_sod6485]

GT was actually trash they just had ssj4 so ppl over hyped it.

[@Spooderman-r6y]

@@kreuger_sod6485 Cry about Ssj4 being the best transformation overall and GT being mid at worst .

[@TheEradicator10x]

​@Spooderman-r6y ssj4 is definitely one of the best transformations but Gt was dogwater at worst all the things that happened before baby are way worse than dragonball super.

[@kreuger_sod6485]

The fact that Ssj4 is stronger than super gogeta in sparking zero is mind blowing to me

[@MallyG-r4t]

@@kreuger_sod6485 you say this with a Itachi pfp lol

[@kreuger_sod6485]

@@MallyG-r4t something wrong with itachi 🤔

[@danielendless]

I thought "GT fans" were just fans of Super Saiyan 4 exclusively

[@MallyG-r4t]

You sound dumb

[@telldetruth9259]

Wrong

[@lukescrew1981]

No

[@nickalas666]

they are

[@KalenAlmeida]

3:05 the main fights are all good but the little side fights made Gohan actually unplayable "i think i can take this guy!" "thisll be a cinch" SHUT UP

[@danielcaraveo1602]

I think the Tournament of Power carries Dragon Ball super. That Arc highlighted what Super did so great and that was action. GT doesn’t come close to the hype and excitement of Super. Also Super isn’t over yet. They have 2 good Arcs coming from the Manga which we’ll see how they’re adapted.

[@BucketWasTakenTwice]

hopfully we won;t have a bog/ res f situation.

[@1KQ_]

I can see the black frieza arc being similar hype to TOP not sure about any of the other arcs, Granola was fine Moro has SOME potential

[@IAmGrootFrom63rd]

So basically one arc saves it

[@youssafeJaja]

@@IAmGrootFrom63rd Granola arc Moro arc goku black arc gt basically one arc saves it is fact

[@Spooderman-r6y]

With the poorly and lazily written story , super doesn't come close with the story and transformations of GT .

[@maku3857]

I don't think death of the author would work, it's not just toriyama approving it and official statements on the matter , but the way the arc literally went with both Goku and Vegeta growing stronger over the arc, at that point is not even really an interpretation it's just what's right.

[@nivnavion]

There is no proof that post-Vegito absorption and escape Goku and Vegeta is stronger than the Goku and Vegeta that existed when Buuhan were around. Ultimately, Buuhan required fusion, Kid Buu did not.

[@maku3857]

@nivnavion that's a lie and the Version of Goku that beat buu isn't even that same one

[@nivnavion]

@@maku3857 The power increase between those two points is not stated anyways, and you would have to make an immense extrapolation to say that Goku> at least 50% base Vegito.

[@maku3857]

@@nivnavion now before I even respond to this what continuity are you looking at

[@nivnavion]

@@maku3857 Manga only