New C63 vs Old C63 | Has AMG got it wrong?

[@CARmagazineTV]

New or old - which gets your vote?

[@richboy900]

Old, preferably the 6.2. I drove the old E63 with that lump (520bhp) and it was sublime. Hard to believe it was naturally aspirated with such torque

[@IAmAssassinE]

Old

[@anotae]

New. Unfortunately the regulations are getting tougher.

[@Largeone1968]

Old

[@mikehagmaier3949]

Old. Keeping my 2015 c63s until either me, or it, dies.

[@AtacanInce]

Short answer for the question ''yes''

[@Jwdude123]

Because you can’t afford it

[@aidan6557]

​@@Jwdude123u sound stupid

[@AtacanInce]

@@Jwdude123 I can’t afford V8 neither. Wonder why I love them tho.

[@G82Watts]

As a merc fan i am now a g82 m4 owner and couldnt ve happier. Best car iver ever owned

[@mikelyon5595]

They could have used the V8 instead of the 4-cylinder with the hybrid system, and gotten similar mpg and kept the car's cache!

[@farishanafiah8461]

I don't even mind a hybrid V8.

[@salem99099]

absolutely u are right

[@Boguardis]

They couldn't have.. they have done this because of government restrictions.

[@alpzepta]

⁠​⁠@@Boguardisbut then why can Ford still have V8 in the Mustang? Not just Mustang but also F150. Not really a good excuse for Mercedes-Benz

[@Boguardis]

@@alpzepta It's almost like they're in a different country and there is a huge difference between a truck and a sedan/coupe. Sarcasm aside, Mercedes has a lot of different models, and a lot of different cars specifically. There is something called the fleet average where they have to maintain a certain number of cars to lower their average for pollution bullshit. A company putting a v8 in their truck isn't penalized as much as one put in a sedan. Besides, there are plenty of 4 and 6 cylinder f-150's out there now, which again, lower the average for Ford.

[@Peanutdenver]

Merc just lost their C63 AMG base to BMW M and or Audi RS saloons/avante/touring variants. Nothing captivating about a 4 pot in a 100K + sports sedan.

[@paultasker7788]

Yeah. Even downgrading to a 6 cylinder would be vastly preferable to a 4

[@Boguardis]

Still a great car, just a bad c63. It's definitely overpriced at this point though. They should have thrown the m256 with 500 horsepower which would be easily done and could have charged $75,000 and it would have sold like crazy.

[@softroseforyou7457]

Nothing captivating about the 4 pot? How about the most powerful 4 pot in the world. How about F1 racing technology from Mercedes racing having 671 horsepower and 781 torque. How about 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds. I would buy this car and be very happy with it. Speak for yourself!

[@Peanutdenver]

@@softroseforyou7457 Oh the irony bro lol

[@clivetutton4519]

Yes! The weight, the digital dash and the 4 cylinder engine needs to go!

[@alsanpi]

From a MY2018 w205 c63s owner. I would never change it for the new one. Unless AMG’s master plan was to make their C63S clients upgrade to the E63S… they completely messed up with this w206 generation.

[@jeebus2121]

Except there isn't going to be a new E63. Even if there were, the price gap between the two would be pretty significant.

[@alsanpi]

@@jeebus2121 there will be an E63 with the v8.

[@3v3rhard]

Most went to bmw. So far that plan failed.

[@stevegesner8835]

There are certain vehicles which are defined by their power trains. The C63 traditional buyer wants a snarling V8 under the hood just as virtually every Dodge buyer wants as well. While the combination of a very powerful 4 banger and hybridization delivers outstanding power, it lacks the key feature buyers desire. There is an old marketing adage - find out what your customers want and give it to them. The new C63 might still be a success. But if it does, it will be with customers new to Mercedes.

[@geoffk777]

Shockingly, when you let the Goverernment, instead of the engineer enthusiasts, design your performance car, you end up with a pastiiche of the original.

[@robertmerkel8247]

If you let engineer enthusiasts design cars for enthusiasts with no regulation, we'd have 1500hp twin-turbo carburetted V8 rear-drive convertibles with no seat belts, no crash protection, no traction control, and no ABS, with a exhaust pushing out a 50/50 mix of carbon monoxide and PM2.5 at 150 decibels.

[@jonathanlim9219]

@@robertmerkel8247 Sounds perfect

[@geoffk777]

@@robertmerkel8247 This is a Slippery Slope argument. No regulations are bad, so any regulation, no matter how invasive and redculous are fine. It's a logical fallacy.

[@alf279]

@@robertmerkel8247Sounds like something I want to own

[@robertmerkel8247]

@@geoffk777 It's largely a moot argument anyway. Get used to performance EVs; within a decade, they are the only ones you'll be able to buy.

[@patrickf2386]

You can see from used car prices what the market thinks of it: The cheapest C63 T here in Switzerland (3 months old, 4000kms) can be had for

[@AQUAHOLIC]

This is what happens when marketing departments (and to some extent consumers) focus on numbers instead of character. It fulfils the brief perfectly - higher performance and lower emissions/better economy, which is what the marketing department will have figured out its customers want. And maybe it is, but something got lost in translation.

[@Boguardis]

Merc downsized the engine because of regulations, not because they wanted to.

[@AQUAHOLIC]

@@Boguardis Which regulations are those then?

[@Boguardis]

@@AQUAHOLIC emissions................... come on

[@pequeñomoth]

Glad someone made this video. The Merc PR team won’t like it, but it needs to be said. On the initial launch, journos were scared to slate it, but now justice has been done. Bring back the V8. This car is unacceptable.

[@3v3rhard]

After 2 years of no sales I dont think it matters anymore.

[@Mr_Oabile]

honestly, the point of a fast car is to be that, FAST! If you want it to sing to you, then guess what, it has a premium sound system. People are just making a fuss over nothing and i can tell you this. Its more embarrassing to lose to the 1/4 mile or any race than it is to have a car that barely has an exhaust sound. so yes.. id get that C64 Se if i could afford it.. its far faster than a M3 which made all the current sports sedans look soo slow, while also being easy on the gas

[@CARmagazineTV]

Just as a correction, the C63 S E Performance is not significantly faster than a BMW M3. There’s very little in it between the two.

[@小天-l2m]

Just modify the computer program, m3 can reach 700 horsepower

[@softroseforyou7457]

@@小天-l2m Just modify the computer program, mercedes can reach 900 horsepower

[@小天-l2m]

@@softroseforyou7457 No，C63 original turbocharger is not big enough

[@richboy900]

Isn't Mercedes going to bring back the V8? I heard something along them lines considering how bad the sales were for the 4 pot hybrid.

[@EWL-55]

It’s a nomenclature issue. The car shouldn’t be a 63AMG. The V8 should still exist even if as a hybrid. It would be okay if Mercedes introduced this as the C43 AMG and marketed it as a 2.0 hybrid capable of killing EA888 cars; then named the current C43 AMG something else lower. The lack of a V8 and a high price tag isn’t what the target market wanted, but there are people who would buy it if it had the correct name and price to match expectations.

[@Under_Construction100]

For 3 full years I saved up to buy a W206 C63 only for Merc to ditch the V8 & put in a vacuum cleaner. I then decided to buy what I was gonna buy anyway, a pre-owned Vauxhall Astra.

[@Boguardis]

Just buy a used w205 c63.......................

[@softroseforyou7457]

No it does not sound like a vacuum cleaner. It actually sounds very good for a 4 cylinder.

[@Under_Construction100]

@@softroseforyou7457 It actually sounds like a vacuum cleaner for a C63s

[@septopus3516]

Yes.

[@farishanafiah8461]

I don't mind living with hybrid, but 4-cylinder on an AMG C63 is a big mistake! Mercedes should have just stick with the previous 4L turbo V8 and give it some battery assistance. This isn't a C63, this is a C43.

[@urbanstrencan]

Mercedes should keep V8 for C63 , they lost all the character from the car. James another great video keep up with great work 💪🤟😍

[@MrScootmcg]

I wouldn't pay 100k for this, having never seen one IRL it looks like no one else has either.

[@Sawubona2007]

I saw one in my neighborhood a few months ago. These cost $216k brand new now in Australia. Cheapest used one is $166k lol.

[@Monaco377]

In real life. That took 1 second. Anyway, depending on what market you are in, they may not have even bothered to bring it to local dealerships.

[@BenjaminMukwaira]

Buying my first m car after being a amg guy the last 20 years

[@superchargedturbo]

Great review. Nightmare of a car.

[@jeebus2121]

Ignore the subjective items like sound, and imagine would this new car will cost out of warranty to fix its incredibly-complex drivetrain. Is anyone want to own one outside a lease or the initial 40k miles?

[@oliverbailey8788]

I just bought a low mile 2015 E63 S and the 5.5ltr engine is wonderful. RWD lunacy and peak AMG IMO. Thanks Net Zero but no thanks.

[@arnoldmbuthia2687]

it does look rather quite good, the new one. the estate version especially. the performance is undeniable.

[@bulumkotozo6282]

New any day

[@davidbarker2688]

I've taken delivery of the new C63 AMG estate and am really enjoying it and I've had RS 6 and M5 Competition and this is up there. I think they should have marketed this very differently. Another C number - but to use the C63 logo is wrong as this is a completely different car

[@reaver9]

New c63 is a total flop, ask anyone working at the dealership. Soon they will need to discount by + 30%, and put V6 in a facelift.

[@Boguardis]

Merc doesn't produce a v6 anymore..

[@a.3160]

@@BoguardisInline 6

[@zvonimirkljajic4473]

Does any review actually mention for how long the battery pack can sustain hooning around? Can it do 2-3 launches back to back? Can it maintain performance on a 10 minute spirited drive? Also, it seems that BMW didn't do much better of a job with new M5 :D

[@MuppetsSh0w]

In Poland there is a bunch of them for sale for 20k euro under sticker. I think that tells you everything you need to know.

[@MphoLevis-wd8bw]

Imagine that 2024 C63s E Perfomance body with that 4.0L roaring Twin-Turbo V8 😮😮😮😮😮❤❤❤😊😊🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@dimitarpanayotov9282]

Most beautiful C200 and if it’s priced around 40K £ it will be a pleasant choice!

[@BM-235]

Massive depreciation on used models in Aus. One year old selling for $A50,000 less than new.

[@jamestorrens645]

There's this person on carsales selling their white C 63 E and they put up their ad in April, listing it for $205,000 AUD. It's July now, and last time I checked they had dropped the price all the way down to $177,000 AUD. The cheapest ones for sale as I type this are about $166,000 AUD. So in 6 months, a $210,000 AUD car has lost $50,000 AUD in value, and keep in mind these cars have no more than like 5,000 km on them!

[@BM-235]

@@jamestorrens645 Won't be long before a people will be paying more for a used C63s (V8) that the four cyl hybrid model.

[@yevdavydov2573]

Seems like BMW and Mercedes took opposite approaches to electrification. BMW chose to use electrification to homologate a modification of their S68 V8 engine, and in turn added just enough hardware and functionality to create some "electrified" benefits. Mercedes seems to have tried to package an electric drivetrain into an existing model and added in what amounts to an ICE generator system to fill in the limitations. Two powertrains struggling to work simultaneously and therefore cancelling out one another's benefits. The Mercedes has problems similar to their EQS/EQE offerings; they chose to go all in as fast as possible on electrification and diversifying electric platforms instead of gradually phasing electrified technology into specific model lines that can benefit from having an expanded product range and allow early adopters to test new technology. We've all seen the drawbacks of the huge investment of tooling all new platforms and marketing an all new product line. In hindsight, electric S class and E class variants should have been based on existing platforms. The S63 E- performance makes sense given the weight and breadth of functionality (one car to rule them all, and be desirable at that) - but a platform as small as the W206 is at its limits with this powertrain. Hopefully the next gen W224 S class and W215 E class vehicles will use platform commonality to leverage a careful metering into the elimination of ICE, not hedge all engineering efforts like what they chose.

[@stewartmurray7983]

The W205 C63 is less powerful than my c63 W204 so they went backwards there as well

[@talkditingsdem5799]

Lies

[@stewartmurray7983]

My Performance pack has 485hp and the stock c63 has 450 so where is the lie

[@stewartmurray7983]

@@talkditingsdem5799 so the stock W205 C63 non S has 450hp my stock W204 c63 performance pack has 485hp please indicate which part of my previous statement was “lies”

[@talkditingsdem5799]

@@stewartmurray7983 469 horsepower for the non S model not 450. A simple google search would have told you that. 480 horsepower for the p30 w204. That’s 11 more horsepower, it has more horsepower but does that mean it’s quicker in a race. When people say the word “powerful” what does that really means in reality because last I checked a Hellcat comes with 717 horsepower, technically being more “powerful “ than most stock car but they get dragged in races by less “powerful” cars. So I never understood that term “powerful. Also you decided to pick the less power w205 c63 to compare the p30 w204 c63 with. Anyone can do that.

[@stewartmurray7983]

Well the Article was about the W205 c63 and my comment stated that my W204 was more powerful than the w205 c63 to which you replied “lies” you then corrected me which is fair enough by saying my car had 11hp more which contradicts your statement, and I completely agree that some cars with tonnes of hp are terrible at putting the power down, but the W204 is lighter than the w205 and there are plenty videos of w204 beating w205 c63 non s and S versions, I love the c63s I was just pointing out that I think Mercedes have gone backwards from a drivers car point of view, I have driven the brand new C63hybrid and my P31 package is way more fun, but definitely not as fast

[@torrhthc4103]

The new c63 loses in character even to the m2 entry car on the engine alone

[@MH-gh]

PleasE do tell where these amazing roads are. They look sooo perfect for driving

[@51madmitch]

I love Mercedes (older ones) and drive a C class coupe, but this inside and engine just a big let down, sticking two iPad type of screen is terrible, but the engine is just wrong, we don’t need 600+bhp, 480 is fine, but the most important thing is the way a V8 delivers its power and the sound !!!

[@gaara4667]

Objectively: it’s better than the last one and the one before that in every way in terms of performance and technology. But the fans boys who can’t even afford this new, much less the old one, hate it because of no V8 blah blah blah. The fan boys who don’t even fill Mercedes pockets is bottom of the priorities list. The reason the car is doing poorly now is because the people who can ACTUALLY AFFORD the car just don’t like it. The keyboard warriors didn’t affect this car.

[@philippelemaire2887]

I agree completely

[@vindevhunta4905]

Im not even gonna watch this video....i dont car how quick the 4cyl is...VEEEEEEEEEE 8❤

[@neobaloyii]

14:56 is the summary of this entire review and the general reception of the new C63

[@ruimpinho]

so true. 😐

[@edgeorge54]

2.2 tons 😮

[@Detail_Den_UK]

I wouldn't buy this new car, partly because the depreciation would be appalling, it'll go down faster than an Italian footballer in the 6 yard box. Secondly it has no soul, and it never will. Mercedes made a huge misstep with this car. The M3 is cheaper, faster in almost all circumstances, more practical and doesn't have a stupid touchscreen only interface.

[@MattD-GV]

W204 is the only true c63.... the rest shouldn't wear the badge.

[@LastWordOnMoney]

I appreciate the 4 cylinder engine

[@jerrymamabolo5746]

They should have used a V6 or 6 inline in the E53 amg

[@peterj5751]

If you want a hot 4 cylinder Mercedes AMG why would you buy this instead of A45 or one of the other body styles of the A45? They got rid of the key selling point of the C63 and they deserve to sell none of them at all. Maybe this will get Mercedes to start listening to their customers because this is just the latest in a line of disappointing decisions by Mercedes. In fact, after buying 3 in a row have changed brand, to Porsche actually.

[@itisyouthatiadore]

Hi strung high boost 2.0, what can go wrong?

[@jamestorrens645]

Not much, actually. The M139 has been around since 2019 in the A45S, CLA45S and GLA45S, and it's proven itself to be a really solid engine. I've seen people getting 420+ kilowatts from it. Absolute beast of a motor that thing is.

[@SizakeleComfortMtshweni]

They should have given the C43 this power output of 476hp instead of 410hp... And the facelift A45S should have had this 476hp. I wonder who decides these outputs at AMG. I wanna have a word with him. Hala From South Africa

[@Monaco377]

Well, thank god you aren't that person. Giving those cars 476hp would ruin the rest of the lineup.

[@caseous69]

If that was your question, you needn’t have wasted the time and emissions. As an owner of the w203 and w204 versions - no. I have no interest in the current generation.

[@madanto2394]

Should have fitted a 3.5 i6 diesel monster in it

[@Birmingham_racing]

We all still prefer the v8

[@weed46]

big shame, because i think the design is actually quite good

[@Eastside-MTB]

not the reason why we buy big AMG cars.. its all about the v8 engine and emotion. Mercedes are realizing this now with the poor sales. The people have spoken...

[@daggidding4478]

A Mercedes badge okay, an AMG badge not. Only V8 engined beasts deserve an AMG badge

[@Monaco377]

No... the first official AMG car post-merger was an inline 6.

[@zoomerzoomer-jn7rf]

Calling it a c63 was the first mistake.

[@robertgatell]

No more washingmachines in our roads.

[@softroseforyou7457]

The wash machine that does 0 to 60 in 2.9 and you are complaining. SMH LOL

[@SKBSKBSKBSKBSK]

Getting an actual W205 in saloon form was too much too ask?

[@CorvusHyperion]

I’ve had three C63s, a 507 with the 6.2L and 2 x 205s (a coupe and sedan) and I am not remotely interested in this thing. I moved to BMW M division. Mercedes, are you listening to actual buyers?

[@timburton1080]

I'd genuinely take a Taycan over a 4 cylinder AMG

[@softroseforyou7457]

They do not compete against each other. SMH LOL

[@stephenlaw9827]

Yes

[@bradleylane8377]

Think they should have done the v8 hybrid then ended the production of the c63amg as electric takes over as a fitting nod to the Amg s from the past an c63 with no v8 4 wheel drive and no iconic sound is not a consumers c63 luv the looks and the interior tho ❤

[@Boguardis]

If they called this car anything else, but a c63, I think nobody would have given a shit. But it's a bad c63.

[@Only_Brd]

So basically it's a Mercedes AMG C45 S. What an embarrassment 😭

[@softroseforyou7457]

Amg C45 S does 0 to 60 in 4 seconds. AMG C63 S E 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds. So basically they are not the same cars. SMH LOL

[@bezuidenhoutreclaimworks7407]

Yes yes yes

[@qwerty69600]

The set of cars I now like enough to part with my own money is becoming smaller and smaller. Back in the day i'd be happy to blow months if not years worth of salary on some idiotic car, because it stirred the emotions so much. If they think traditional petrol heads are going to care about this guff they are flat out wrong. It's either older stuff / back catalogue, or find another hobby frankly.

[@salem99099]

WHY MERC DIDN'T MAKE IT ELECTRIC ONLY. WHY THEY SPOILED AND PUT A V4?!!!!

[@dmarino83]

I'm pretty sure the next c63 will have a V8 again

[@jamestorrens645]

Might be fully electric by then.

[@paultasker7788]

Next thing we'll have a Ferrari or a Lamborghini with a 4 pot! 4 cylinder cars just don't sound great. 3 pots arguably more characterful. Augmented sound is horrid. It sounds like its played with a synthesiser. Why are we so far off being able to do a decent engine sound. I actually think we were closer with need for speed porsche edition back in early 2000s. Even Forza 5 and gran touismo cars sound mediocre. Still a long way off

[@ciw8688]

The engine aside, the exterior of the older one is miles better than the newer one😂

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

Really? I think they look almost identical.

[@ciw8688]

@@wasdwasdwwasd nah bro the older one is the perfect blend of agressiveness and elegant, the front of the new one is not that bad but the rear is a major disappointment

[@jamestorrens645]

I'm on the opposite side, I love the look of the new one.

[@TypeDoubleR]

If it’s not a V8 it’s not a real AMG

[@jamestorrens645]

That's bullshit. I guess the A45S and CLA45S, two absolutely amazing little cars, "aReNt aMgS" purely because of the amount of cylinders their engines have. Yeah, nah.

[@TypeDoubleR]

@@jamestorrens645 43, 45, 53 not real AMG. V8 63 = real AMG

[@Monaco377]

That is wrong. The first AMG post-merger was an inline 6. You kids are clueless.

[@jamestorrens645]

@@Monaco377 Exactly!

[@tonyreid833]

That beautiful V8 of the C63 being replaced with a 4 cylinder hybrid will never work It’s lipstick on a pig

[@albaabduldaim3821]

Bring back the v8 or amg will lose among competitors. Its simple

[@yoekss]

Its a gti

[@benny1772]

M3>

[@mattpowe]

The car: "a couple years ago, man, I was hot. Now... I'm a cautionary tale"

[@fioranof1871]

Both sucks best 204 6.2 NA !❤

[@jamesmercer3963]

Did you say upgrading relating to Will's car, James? You have that completely the wrong way around!

[@cyprusdaedalus]

This video incorrectly assumes the premise that someone actually would (or did) buy the new C63.

[@Kiwigold-on7mc]

your the boss ??

[@oxidalpha6350]

Nobody understood the concept of the new c63s. Yeah v8 sounds better but amg can not build v8 for the next 100 years. So there was a need to change it. They came up with the 4cyl hybrid. Dont get me wrong it has not the same emotions but techbology wise the new c63 is a great car. Its faster than the m3/4 you can drive it in ev mode in tehe city for short distances also. If bmw would came up with a4cyl nobody would care. But with amg it always cares because everyone want only a v8. We need to let the v8 go.

[@jamsxr]

The new car is a failure, it’s as simple as that.

[@oxidalpha6350]

@@jamsxr it is not. Mercedes gained already experience with the hybrid tech. Bmw will come up also with hybrid solutions in the future.

[@rare6499]

No one is buying it.

[@jamsxr]

@@oxidalpha6350 yes but they don’t seem to have sold many and the reviews are all poor.

[@oxidalpha6350]

@@jamsxr they never will sell lots of these. Only if bmw and audi switch also to a 4cylinder.

[@maphorichego4583]

All the way wrong. Merc has lost its way. The quality is bad, their future cars are all wrong. It's sad really

[@astonastonn1800]

What a shame...

[@softroseforyou7457]

What a shame... 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds. SMH LOL

[@astonastonn1800]

@@softroseforyou7457 0 to 60 means nothing mate

[@user-rc4qh3lp7h]

Only London drug dealers drive these stupid things anymore.

[@attilazsigmond9965]

NO...Hahahahaa

[@salem99099]

who wants speed only he should pick tesla. why should I buy an icon for speed. it became a beast without teeth 😢

[@softroseforyou7457]

Because this does have sound and Tesla doesn't

[@sikhpilot.]

Chocking on my sand here 🫠