New Champions Are Out Of Control | League of Legends

[@luantib]

"what the point in giving so many resets?" Well the 1v9 pentakill highlight gets really boring if you have to wait 4s between every kill

[@stefanobecchini2125]

i'm kinda bias saying this but i feel that new champions dont even need the set up that champions like pyke need to actually get pentakills. They can now set up for themselves the pentakill.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

@@stefanobecchini2125 Man, i wish i had resets on Syndra's Q (to have a juicier ultimate) or Lux Q (to have some way to defend after the burst if done well, 'cause lux without abilities is a minion)

[@emperorchadiusmaximusgigam3683]

@@BlaxeFrost-X lux doesnt need anything shes perfect for smooth brained people who can hit 1/10Qs and burst the squishies down.

[@OcramJC]

@@mypersonalaccount4934 Master Yi does have cd reduction on takedowns, but right now he's not really op because of numbers. I think that's the main issue with champions Akali and Master Yi, they're other too op or too nerfed

[@pawepajak7142]

@@mypersonalaccount4934 and 1 second refresh on q every auto also additional r duration during w

[@liamwilson5670]

Akshan: can be stealthed indefinitely Aurelion Sol: cant hide in bushes

[@ninacochrane569]

Gwen: Gets a dash, MS buff, and AS steroid with cdr and on-hit built in Blitzcrank: Still slows himself

[@aetrem50]

Viego: Can possess enemy champions, gaining access to their entire kit. Singed: I run faster when I’m near someone.

[@katansnipe8121]

Riot: U have a point. Lets nerf Asol

[@howdytherepardner318]

@@aetrem50 Singed: I fart on da minions

[@etherealcat6521]

@@ninacochrane569 well I mean thats because his Q has no counter play and is the single most powerful ability in the game. I mean there is no absolutely no way, a hyper carry can get invincibility during combat, right?

[@alejandropetit6573]

To quote Skooch when talking about the design team when designing Sett: AAAAY LES MAKE A DOOD THAT PUNCH HARD, AND WHEN YA HIT HIM, HE PUNCH MORE HARD

[@the_gaming_wisp1778]

fun fact: that was sylas' original design

[@Nipotazzi]

"But... wouldn't that be overpowered?" "I DON'T GIVE A FUUU-"

[@misterminutes4504]

GENIUS DESIGN!!

[@Nipotazzi]

@@misterminutes4504 "Another masterpiece..."

[@misko5877]

Ah, yes, Fatgum!

[@sehon8828]

I feel like Riot thinks that every aspect of every ability of every champ should be useful for every situation. Like they probably added the AS buff to Viego's E just because you wouldn't normally use it while farming otherwise. It really isn't necessary for a champ's kit to provide everything for themselves though, it kind of defeats the purpose of the 5v5 format.

[@soninh4357]

New champs is the kid who say his super power is have all super power

[@ike9108]

emm sorry but it isn't new. nocturne has a cc both for clearing single camps, and dueling, an AS for clearing faster or if you want a spell shield that gives you even more AS if it blocks anything, a skillshot that gives him bouns AD for just standing on it, and ultimate that can bypass any ganking difficulty such as vision and also can be used in a 1v1 so enemies wouldn't be able to help their allies fighting and rotate, and a passive that heals him for fighting.

[@Dean123123100]

The Syndrome Effect: If everyone's useful, no one will be.

[@jptheredsoxfan]

this is the same shit that i think killed WoW for me. Not every class needs to be good at every thing. Rogues were 1v1 cc gods, but lacked healing and AoE potential. Now they have crimson vial on a shortish cooldown, fan of knives that applies all their poisons, leeching poison, etc. League's the same way. not every damn champ needs to be good in every situation. If a champ has a clear weakness, that's how you exploit it. Clear strength, let it shine in your gameplay. Now you can just pick any new champ and have at least a little bit of everything

[@rafaelcastor2089]

But without it, his E sucks. It is too telegraphed for ganks, the stealth doesn't help you fight since you'll have to be within reveal range to actually he able to hit them and the movement speed isn't anything to write home about either

[@shamrock3957]

Riot: Mobility Creep is a problem Also Riot: Lets give literally every new champion a mobility gimmick. Maybe a MS Boost, or a dash, or a resetting dash, or multiple dashes. Also lets start giving every new champ invisibility or untargetability...or both!

[@kelzhikaru]

Also give that said champ bonus defend based on AP because why not :)

[@alliu6562]

Better nerf asol!

[@malachymroch5147]

They also managed to make stridebreaker the most broken item while "adjusting" it. People bought that sht on rengar and shaco rofl

[@pawepajak7142]

@@malachymroch5147 imagine buying stridebreaker on senna so noone can touch you

[@catrielmarignaclionti4518]

@@pawepajak7142 !!! was playing senna toplane, and had no idea how to make people never reach me, thought poking, but then in a 1v1 river I would just die, thanks for the tip!

[@dariel4122]

Yeah Riot needs to tone them down. Make them unique but not overloaded and/or without counter play

[@kculzsinet]

I think they should just return to their roots, maybe slow down the rate of creating characters and just use the old formula in which you constructed the character around an idea that fits their home region and build a kit from that rather than the other way around

[@eryalmario5299]

I think rito should take a year to do reworks than making new ones

[@PedroAce]

I think Jayce is a really good example of this. He does seem overloaded but they made his kit in such a way that he didn't get a bunch of new crap. He has 7 abilities and they all serve a function for what he needs and I don't think anyone really see's him as op. The thing with jayce is he is versatile but is worse at his two roles than other champs are at their one. Which is balanced.

[@mr.mustang656]

*Laughs in Sett*

[@ceefarbs560]

Yh for real they could have champs with an op ulti or passive with a unique playstyle and everything else normal (movement ability, buff/debuff ability, etc) and still be just as popular because its new.

[@distraction2803]

I've noticed a disturbing pattern with the design of new champions: -Take slightly different versions of mechanics from already-existing champions -Mash in a ridiculous feature that probably doesn't belong in League -Double the amount of words in their kit with unnecessary shenanigans -Make them pretty/sexy (even if it doesn't make sense) and give them an expensive skin -Let them loose to terrorize the Rift I'm concerned how far this will go before they realize it's a mistake-or maybe they already know, and just want to squeeze as much money out of League as possible before leaving it to rot.

[@zylou8643]

Remember when we thought The Ruined King sounded badass? We'll why does he look like an Emo boy band singer with a six pack?

[@antonisgeorgalas4160]

@@zylou8643 yeah why is the RUINED KING not ruined like every other champ affected form the mist like thresh kallista hecarim and even yorick or maokai

[@alexandermaxx]

Saying these as a response to what you said: - Having a similar thing to what's already there is fine in my opinion, as long as it has it's differences and not a over 80% similarity, (eg vayne's W and Ekko's passive are both 3 hit passives but both do different stuff) - yeah true won't deny that the new ones are pretty... "off" to say it lightly.. - Was gonna type something but then I remembered the text in Sona's (upcoming) rework, and akshan's W... lol fair point - To be fair, they've actually reduced the amount of sexiness (from the female side I mean), back in the day they even got a lawsuit if I remember correctly about how sexual their female champs/skins were, they're actually a lot better now... the men however.... a reverse story it seems - that's the thing! The PBE server is there to reduce the amount of bads in there, and even bug test, but instead it's starting to seem like the server is just there for the sake of marketing and online content, which is really not a good look for rito if they thought about it I truly hope that they solve all these soon, even the bugs are bearable cuz at least (from a programming standpoint) bugs are lot of the time inevitable, but these issues we're discussing are indeed intentional. For now I'm stuck to it yeah but there comes a point where even an addict says "enough is enough".

[@zylou8643]

@@antonisgeorgalas4160 Gwen sort of makes sense with the 'hallowed mist' being BLESSED but viego himself being attractive while kalista has been horrifically stabbed by 3 spears and yet can still walk?

[@myriadofcolours9861]

@@zylou8643 Riot learned that pretty champs sell. Now, instead of making champs through interesting and individual ideas They just want to release gorgeous humanoid champs. It's not just the men We have not gotten a monster champ in a long while. Now we get a surplus of hot and pretty people. Even the existing champs that aren't hot humans, get turned into good looking humans through reworks or skins. I would not be surprised if they gave Warwick a human skin and reworked Anivia into a harpy.

[@Zerum69]

I'm starting to think they just want to reach a point where people STOP saying: "champs were even crazier back in the beta with global TF Ults every couple of seconds and infinite dodge Jax"

[@justsandiam]

Ah yes, the infamous Infinite Dodging Jax

[@devforfun5618]

@@justsandiam today the infinite dodge jax would also have cc immunity

[@GoodGuySatan]

@@devforfun5618 You could dodge CC alrirght, don't you worry.

[@streptococo4735]

but the difference that time was the lack of experience, also being a beta, no clear path for any class to actually follow, but by now 200 years of collective experience leads to things that by now THEY SHOULD KNOW IT LEADS TO BALANCE ISSUES, you know whats the closest thing to infinite dodge? a shroud that also made you inmune to tower aggro, give you free energy, ms, etc, Akali is probably one of Riots greatest mistakes in gameplay design

[@jettiz3703]

sooner or later theyll make a new champion as strong as beta jax just to sell it.

[@t-1156]

In my opinion, Riot should completely stop producing new champs for a couple of years and completely devote these ressources to producing 6 complete VGUs a year instead. That way, they can close the gap between old champions and new ones more effectively and we can stop having champions with Nintendo 64 graphics like Corki in the same game as Samira

[@splankyplanky]

Why not do both lmao

[@UnbornHeretic]

That doesnt sound like a way to make money. That sounds like a way to make a good game. Riot's goal, as a company, isn't to make a good game, it is to make money.

[@JohnJohnson-yi6jg]

That would cut their revenue drastically. LoL is a free to play game. They need to rely on methods of making money that aren't always necessary in other games.

[@louminus4017]

They did this I think during evelynn - galio era where they rework most of the champs that are completely outdated.

[@TsukatsukiRio]

The problem is, reworks doesn't sell as much as releasing new champs, unfortunately. That's probably why Riot is pushing in releasing new games for different markets to profit on as a backup plan for when LoL gets irrelevant

[@adrianrandom3448]

It's funny to think how Lillia is one of the "newer" releases, and yet, compared to all the bs the new mfs get up to you could tell me she was designed 5 years ago and I would believe you

[@milkybean1500]

Exactly she is one of the few champions WHO’s passive is that 1-2 Lines. Plus its basically a liandrys so we know how it works.

[@adrianrandom3448]

@@milkybean1500 and she manages to be exciting and fun without all the bullshit newer champs get up to, she deals DoT, gets MS, deals extra damage when you hit a sweet spot and has a slow and a sleep, also a bit of self heal? And what do new champions have?, I don't even want to write it cause I'm tired

[@angel_of_rust]

If it weren't for new Liandry's existing I wouldn't even know Lillia existed either. She's also pretty fun to make fancanon of based on her design.

[@Storiaron]

And she is strong too, so clearly overloaded kits arent neccesary for new releases...

[@karaluchyiworsuchy]

She is probably The best designed champion of the last two years

[@Greapes]

Its been recently discovered that Akshan can avoid tower aggro by swinging just by the outer circle. So yeah, balance.

[@galeforce8155]

Akali 2.0

[@MI-nv8np]

@@galeforce8155 Yeah current Akali is like Akali 0.5

[@VeneficusCubes]

Can you land swing on the exact length in the middle of a trade without hitting enemy champion or a wall tho?

[@isaiahjohnson9786]

A bug is unbalanced who would’ve thought

[@inigo137]

@@isaiahjohnson9786 how is that a bug?

[@yanji133]

Knowing how broken new champs are, I wouldnt be surprised if they made a tank assassin

[@eryalmario5299]

*laughs in season 5 tank meta*

[@wasabilover1293]

Lol, you havent seen brusier Talon builds yet? Or Katarina all HP build? Been there already they're still here

[@MintJammer]

AP Malphite is already there. It's just that he's so boring outside raw "oh where did the squishies go?" damage.

[@chiidybang370]

they will rework malphite. His ult gets a reset if he gets a kill or assist. His Q gets 10% max life dmg added and procs twice if you ulted before. His w gets changed into gwens w but its the opposide, noone inside can attack him. His e will be a charm that resets if he hits it. His passive is seraphines, every 3. spell casts twice.

[@devforfun5618]

@STERBEN he is not really a tank at this point, but armor malphite still deals a lot of damage anyway

[@prismaticpaul]

Nasus' passive: i have lifesteal Akshan's passive: i have a wall of text

[@cere_lac]

And still nasus more broken than him you can't deny that

[@ArcticxSeal]

@@cere_lac in low elo sure since he’s just a glorified stat stick

[@prismaticpaul]

@@ArcticxSeal yep that's pretty much it diamond and past diamond you get punished hard for not having an early game and no mobility, although i think nasus is a good pick vs tanks in the toplane, if anything. I sometimes watch carnarius, i like the way he plays the dog.

[@Ketamin1234]

Havent everyone made that joke already?

[@LordangeloxD]

@@prismaticpaul That’s why you see nasus e master instead of q master in higher Elo.

[@christodang]

Vars is the calmest sounding tilted person ever

[@Cho0c0]

I agree with all of this and i hate that this being a fantasy world it's filled with just humans, no more void creatures or monsters or demons like Fiddlesticks, just humans, even someone like the "ruined kin" who one could imagine would be very terrifying or menacing looking is just another hot dude with an edge.

[@VigilTheProtogen]

I like playing Akshan but I can FEEL the enemy carries screaming at their monitors when I pop out of stealth, dash in with E, auto, Q, auto, Galeforce, allow Collector to take the kill, dash out with E, then press stealth again*, all within maybe 4 seconds, followed by the game announcing "AkShAn hAs ReVIvEd aN AlLY", who that enemy carry worked very hard to kill, expending their flash, ultimate, and movement abilities to engage, outplay, and defeat. *At level 18, Akshan's stealth is a 2 second cooldown. Evelynn approves.

[@mrsmoke2016]

Dafuq 2s CD???

[@michaelc.r.6416]

@@mrsmoke2016 he is exagerating. It has 10 seconds (which still is too low) Edit: I was wrong he has 2 seconds indeed

[@aeros4888]

At W lvl 5, yes.. they are some player even lvl up W before E bc of that stupid cdr

[@Rexasblast]

Don't you mean auto auto Q auto auto?

[@VigilTheProtogen]

@@michaelc.r.6416 Actually, W (stealth) cooldown goes: 18 > 14 > 10 > 6 > 2 without ability haste. It's on the league wiki

[@altarium4220]

As a support main, these new releases and the tuning have single-handedly pushed me away from the game. Can't peel for the carry or for myself, can't kite, can't outrun, can't fight back, can't heal through their damage. Like what is the purpose of the role anymore when new champions have self-peel, stealth, invulnerability, crazy damage, shields, and can self-heal with 1 or 2 items better than a Soraka can heal them.

[@guic3766]

I feel the same way. Akshan's revive was such a mockery tbh, one of the best supportive abilities in the game now is just an adc's passive lol

[@someonehere3599]

@@guic3766 bro im a support main and i feel that too. And also with the new supports like pyke , who do less to actually help ur adc and more to help urself, especially with that execution

[@vindifference]

Basically my issue. Used to play normal enchant/control supports but now I've realized that my support pool includes champs that usually go elsewhere, like Shen. The only support champ I still attempt to work with is Janna, but I find her severely underpowered with the nonsense that's out now. I usually find more success by building things she shouldn't be, if only for the temporary advantage of catching enemies by surprise.

[@KhanhNguyen-be5jj]

Enchanter sp are shit now (except maybe Lulu and Karma who are going to be nerfed next patch). I'm surprised riot havent deleted them yet.

[@jaybayer3670]

You have to buy yuumi if you want to compete lmao

[@GarnetDust24]

Most of my frustration comes from balancing. How come some flashy, popular champs are allowed to be OP for months on end, but when offbeat, low play rate champs have a strong moment they are nerfed almost immediately.

[@MACA_Zeon]

Cuz riot wants you on these new champs bro

[@MACA_Zeon]

It’s a business

[@Mofuwu]

Also because complicated kits are hard to tackle. If a champ has 3 tools in his kit its pretty simple to know whats the one causing an imbalance. If a champ has 13 tools you are going to be sitting for a while trying to figure out which one is the op one.

[@peristeronic5520]

If Champ is OP and popular, people are gonna play them. If people play them, they are going to buy skins for them, if people buy skins for them, Riot makes money. If they aren’t popular, but they’re OP, then they are blocking the spotlight for popular champions. If they are blocking the spotlight for popular champions, then people are going to play league less. If people play league less, then they aren’t buyig skins. If they aren’t buyig skins, they don’t make money ;-;. TL:DR Corporate greed can go rot in hell

[@Vario69]

If easy champ is op, everyone will abuse them. As much as it pains me to admit, bcoz i love playing simple champs and they are all underpowered

[@naruyashan]

"When you break the rules that *you* set for *your own game*..." Hey, anyone else remember when they changed how stealth works to make champions more diverse or whatever, and then *the very next patch* they announced Akali, who proceeded to break all the rules they had *just* established and had her own special kind of stealth that ignores turrets? Good times, good times.

[@catfood4142]

Im fine with assassins or skirmishers hold kill pressure, do more dmg but while having that, they are just out shine mages and tanks in teamfights....they do more AOE, more burst, more sustain, better cc, they do everything better

[@Monar88]

This. Why should yone set up a teamfight, and carry it and clean up all by himself? At that point the rest of the team are supports for him.

[@a.i.m.f8567]

Yes, assasins shouldnt do aoe, its just dumb and have no counterplay exept loads of cc, but how do you cc someone like kat or qiyana who always dash everywhere, assasin like khazix have a simple counterplay, stay together, he have no aoe and deal less damage when you're not isolated, but the other new champs need no condition exept hitting their easy to hit skillshot to destroy everyone... it make no sense.

[@PedroAce]

People say "The new champs are what sell though" How do they test that? do they compare yone or sett or kai'sa to champs like trundle? Make a new champ that is more like old ones with new style. Ornn fit the bill perfectly (yes I know he isn't new but is a great showcase for what could be even though he is strong with new stuff he is still cool and interesting without ruining 90% of games)

[@BlinkoutIRL]

How many skins has he gotten?

[@andrewanderson1729]

You can look at play rates. Yes new champs with crazy kits get played more, the ones that don't, don't. Ornn wasn't played for ages until they redid stuff to him. There is a reason high level play sees almost none of the original champs.

[@PedroAce]

@@BlinkoutIRL This is exactly my point, Ornn went 4+ years without a new skin, he had his release skin and that was it. I would wager Ornns new skin had one of the highest play rate to buy rates of any champion in the game. They had no possible data to reason as why not to make him a skin yet when they did his playrate spiked(almost doubled) and the skin was one of the most looked forward to in the community for quite awhile. Riot seems to think playrate is all that matters as to profitability and I can't see that ever being true. Sorry for long response but yea.

[@fitmotheyap]

Idk I have bought stw on fortnite but have never bought skins on league Why? Stw gets updated and gives free vbucks In league I need to buy skins every time and there is no alternative,honestly I can bet $10000 that if they added something like save the world's free vbucks they'd get way more money but only short term.(probably one of the reasons fortnite removed the free vbucks) Or if they want long term money.. Regional Pricing In Balkans And Other Poor Regions PLEASE. Otherwise no money spent

[@Zakaker]

​@@PedroAce Well, the more people play a champion, the more will be willing to pay for content related to it. If 90% of the players of a champ with a 1% playrate buy a skin, they will pay overall much less than 40% of the players of one with a 3% playrate. I'm not saying that turning the game into Dragonball FighterZ would necessarily be a correct decision from a business standpoint, but I get where Riot comes from. Also, not many people like statchecks. They're not bad design IMO, but for most of the casual audience, they get boring much faster than ones that allow for more sKiLl ExPrEsSiOn (I've grown to hate the word since people nowadays mostly use it to refer to champs that are able to dish out as much BS as their players when they try to justify losing lane against a hypercarry, but in some cases it's true - I'd much rather play 100 games in a row with Azir, Viktor or Asol than with Annie or Malzahar due to how much more variety they offer in their playstyle). Ornn IMO doesn't fit the "statcheck" category since his efficiency vastly depends on how he uses his abilities and how often he can land his two skill shots, one of which is admittedly hard to aim, but if they took Trundle and turned him into a sexy anime boy, then I'm sure people would play him more but not as much as to make him relevant

[@hailongnguyen1005]

Looking at Akshan’s kit it’s the epitome of “but wait, there’s more”. I think that his revival mechanic is unique and his E looks pretty fun. Akshan can be a fun and unique champion with just that. But no that’s not enough, Riot design team want every aspect of this champion to be fun and interesting. And for some weird reason, adding more words into his abilities’ description is their definition of fun and interesting.

[@jeremiahwise2076]

I agree with everything you said. But have you noticed the ridiculous amount of youtubers that get into their first match playing a new character and they haven't even read their abilities? And then they say "I don't know what this does" and then they continue not to read anything. I feel like the league community just doesn't know how to read.

[@suilles]

i mean they removed the sum spell revive because if i remember right it was unfair or too strong but now if our master YI got a 4 kill due to the team doing a good 4 man stun then if he kills master yi then all that combo stuff is out the window. the whole idea is you get your team to flank theirs but he can just come in get a kill and reset his full team.

[@nu_kercat1]

@@jeremiahwise2076 its not that they dont know how to read, they just refuse to read entire essays just to learn how one ability works

[@useurbraindogshavenocluewh1392]

​@@jeremiahwise2076 feels better to learn a champ through demonstration than to read a fkin essay

[@dominiorrr6510]

The revive mechanic is pretty random and not healthy for the game in its current form.

[@theimmortaleye7511]

Riot Doubles down on yones Design this while year was all full of 200 years of Game development

[@Archangel-sx2wl]

Bro as soon as i saw akshan, i lost all hope.

[@sharp_iodine2737]

As a support/mage main I'm waiting for Vex so I can wreck the Rift with an anti-mobility champion. But the problem is 200 years of development is only applied to carry roles. Whenever they design supports they are quite tame. Rell downright sucks without team coordination, the only amazing thing about Seraphine is her ultimate. Something tells me Vex will also not be broken and just a normal champion. They really love to break the game with carries because supports are not allowed to be OP

[@pkojo]

@@sharp_iodine2737 Pyke was probably the last "insane" support they've released

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

@@pkojo He's not even a real support, he's just an assassin that gives gold to his team.

[@Rhyolite-hyena]

Imagine rework Malphite have E disarm all unit in a circle. And many dumbass will defend "just avoid his skills like you always do 5head" while his Q have reset and stick with you like a Singed.

[@laszlokaszas1003]

Tldr: we need more unique champs like ivern, and not a hypertuned 1v9 imortal champs with 7 dashes

[@youtubeguestuser4603]

or champions with traps like teemo and shaco (seriously tho, teemo and shaco mains can go to hell)

[@CelVini]

But then again, how many people play OR just like Ivern?

[@magical571]

like the champ nobody plays? awesome. Seriously, players don't really know what they want, they just like to be all "the game is going to shit" but that's is literally any player of any game older than a year.

[@karaluchyiworsuchy]

Ivern isnt the best example but yeah, every new champ except Rell and maybe Lilia is 1v9 machine if they get A little bit fed

[@kiwilemonade1289]

@@magical571 Idk, some people like these champs. Just because they aren't popular doesn't mean they aren't unique and fun. I'd rather have 20 champs that are truly unique, even if only 1% of the playerbase plays them at a time. If you don't like it, don't play it. It's far better than getting one shot by an attack that you can't even fathom because when you went to google it, the 2-page description was too difficult to even understand.

[@PixelCreep]

Rell is the only even slightly normal champ they’ve released in years

[@curious2882]

They gave her a weakness. Riot almost never gives champions weaknesses anymore. It's just strengths, strengths, strengths forever. Then things they aren't strong at, but never weak at either. Rell has an actually weak moment of being on-foot and requiring her team to hard engage with her if she doesn't want to be left high and dry with shitty movespeed. Riot is scared of people having even a single moment where they think "this champion sucks," which any weakness can create. Mages running out of mana? Not fun. Solution? Make mana very hard to run out of after you go back for your first item. Assassins keep dying after going in? Not fun. Give them resets so they can use their mobility to escape after getting a kill 1v3/4/5.

[@ohmygoddiosmio9138]

@@curious2882 spot on bro

[@MACA_Zeon]

@@curious2882 exactly!

[@hidesidehs5271]

Cuz the design was done by the best Riot designer with the best design history. Except giving assassin game changing ult ( looking at Qiyana ) then every champ or part of champ he worked on is masterpiece. August and that guy who did Camille, Kaisa, Seraphine and now Akshan make overloaded or broken champions. CertainlyT makes them at least very unique but also fundamentally broken or oppressive ( tho he also has few masterpieces ). Then there is Stashu who made Qiyana, partly Aphelios, Rell, partly Gwen but also Fiora rework, Cass rework, Vlad rework, Talon and Evelynn reworks. Simply the GOAT designer.

[@Bladius_]

@@hidesidehs5271 August did Vi, Jinx, Ekko, Jhin, Kayle (rework). All amazing designs and not massively overcomplex or overloaded, all have obvious strengths and weaknesses. He's riot's single best designer at least until he went a lil crazy recently. Senna was a little bit silly on release, but they've stripped her down quite a bit and she's pretty reasonable (if not a little strong) He also did... Viego... yeah. I feel like he was told he HAD to possess and he HAD to have a mist ability for lore reasons though; and those are by far his most broken aspects. He still easily gets a pass from me because he's been so insanely consistent in the past. Especially for Jhin, he's still league's single best champion design, no contest (and I say that as a Pyke main/fanboy).

[@rejfen714]

I unironically wait till they gut akshan things like removing his shield, mana regen on w, giving stealth cooldown, giving revive somehow cooldown and so on. I really like his character and his e is one of most fun alibilites in the game and i love using it

[@ioiwut4874]

i feel you. i was the same way with qiyana and samira. loved their kit but felt like a scummy cheeser picking them in their release state. still waiting for gwen to chill out.

[@willmorris6260]

Akshan needs buffs omegalul

[@curious2882]

They won't do that probably. They'll just up and down his numbers until nobody but his mains want to play him anymore. He's already been hotfix buffed twice because Riot actually overestimated how good the revive would be and made his numbers shit. Riot's just gonna pump pump pump them up until people catch on and he starts breaking the game, then they'll drop his numbers back down, probably too far. Then back up. Then down. Etc etc.

[@BlackfeatherMain]

Honestly I don't think he's that broken. Yeah he's got a lotta shit like his revive, but his double auto attack is kinda ass and he literally gets less than 2/3rds of a typical ADC's attack speed scaling, and when you add that onto the fact that his ult is literally just a worse Caitlyn ult, he's not really all that good. He's got some early pressure but that's about it.

[@oforkel]

"You cant put Garen in the same game as Akshan" Also Garen: 70% winrate aganist Akshan mid

[@emotional_st0rm]

that's just because akshan's numbers are so ridiculously low because he is so overloaded. also, he just released and is a high skill ceiling champ - the winrates reflect that naturally a stat stick will beat a power economy spread thin champ it's more about the complexity of gameplay and impact they can potentially have, not winrate

[@nahuelpena378]

@@emotional_st0rm yeah, when a new champ changes the way u have to play, it reflects in winrate a lot(yuumi for ex), akshan is honestly pretty hard to pick up, most ppl just hate feeding and thats what u do with champs like akshan, feed ur first games till u get the hang of it, most ppl just get frustrated and never play him again, but hopefully he will ge t better in the future, he's a fun champ, but clearly his most broken feature is his res, specially at 30 min games where u can revive ur 40 sec teammate as soon as he died lol

[@inigo137]

"these new champions are fun" While showing a viego pounding the entire enemy team Fun for whom? I don't think those guys were having fun at all

[@Narrate103]

i play kat and get a quadra almost every game and she was in the first champ pool are my enemies having fun ?

[@blackice8634]

@@Narrate103 but Kat doesnt have, shield, built in lifesteal, invisibility, or execute. Viego has all of that AND CC, double auto attack, the ability to take other champions items and abilities, and so on. It's very clear what the difference is here

[@uxie6177]

@@Narrate103 Plenty of people consider Kat broken bullshit though, mainly because of how overstatted she is and how much special attention Riot gives her because someone in their team probably has a few too many body pillows.

[@remito7839]

@@uxie6177 Also people hate Kat because she is one of the worst offenders of "just mash buttons on your keyboard and spam click near the enemy to get a penta". Seriously. The first time I played the new Kat, I just ended up pressing buttons and clicking on enemy champions in fights and it made the game so easy, because eventually they will die and you will get a reset to finish of the rest of the worn out enemys. Champs like Akali or Riven are really strong and frustrating to play against, but anyone who's ever played them also knows that they are difficult to master.

[@MACA_Zeon]

@@remito7839 that’s true I think I rather fight Kat then akali though cuz akali has higher skill ceiling and more outplay potential

[@akagoodboy8840]

I've played League since it's release, and DotA before that, and from what I've gathered... As league has gotten bigger, so has it's conflictions, and it's expenses, hence the increasing merchandise, including champions. League could spend the rest of it's existence reworking the mistakes they've made (Yasuo & everyone after) on a monthly basis instead of coming out with new champs, which they honestly should be at this rate, but that wouldn't make them enough money to pay their expenses. The game is more corporate than ever, and becoming more professional and less new user friendly which compromised their main market and why they're branching out with new products such as Wild Rift & Runeterra, TFT, etc. It's far from the game any of us veterans fell in love with, and the majority of us play just for the satisfaction of overcoming the increasingly unfair odds against us. Yasuo's windwall really f*cked the game up, and compromised every other champions design after him... It's a melting pot of mayhem.

[@bonthebunnycat667]

YES, when Yasuo released is when everything started going downhill

[@floofzykitty5072]

Aphelios started all this but everyone seems to forget to mention this. The response to Aphelios was that he actually got a lot of attention for having a kit so overloaded no one knew how to play as or against him. Riot likely saw this and thought, "Hey, if a champion is completely overloaded they get a lot of attention!"

[@parkerwilliams7236]

His made sense to an extent, his numbers were just way too high. He was intended to be so complex because he only has access to so much of his kit at one time. He's a swiss army knife adc, fairly strong at all points in the game with tons of different things in his kit, but it requires planning and foresight to actually have the weapons you need when you need them.

[@NorthernHarker]

Aphelios definitely did not start this. Overloaded champs existed way before he did. Reworked akali was one, zoe was definitely another. "everyone seems to forget this" because it isn't true, thats why

[@floofzykitty5072]

@@NorthernHarker overloaded doesn't mean overpowered, stop conflating the two. Overloaded champs can still be trash. How is Zoe overloaded when she has one of the simplest kits in the game.

[@NorthernHarker]

@@floofzykitty5072 Zoe's W was one of the most overloaded mechanics we had when she was released. Also, No one that is overloaded is usually bad.

[@NorthernHarker]

@@floofzykitty5072 Also, being mechanically simple doesn't mean it isn't overloaded. Lok at akshans abilitie text vs his gameplay. Shoot, shoot twice, swing, shoot twice. Zoe is infinitely more mechanically intensive than akshan lmao.

[@vex452]

My problem with new champs is that instead of having one or two gimmicks they have 15 Does akshan REALLY need a stealth, double auto attacks, 3 hit passive, whole team revive, long range execute, grappling hook with resets and more?? Can't yone be playable without having milion dashes, crit, life steal, shield, no mana, mixed damage, aoe stuns etc? The characters don't feel coherent they just have everything slapped onto them and riot prays it works and people will buy skins Edit: Oh hey you basically said i the vid what I said here lol

[@bagabundo17]

his stealth inst a great part of his kit, its feels out of place when you play it

[@biggiecheese2004]

@@bagabundo17 it really doesn't, his stealth is important for the scoundrel thing because he's a super squishy marksman and would get oneshot otherwise. I just don't get why they can't make him stronger and remove the revive, it's cancer

[@afrobebryant6266]

The only reason Yone has all that is cause they wanted to make a champion similar to yasuo. Just like how Yasuo has a passive that grants him 50% armour pen with crit, they decided to give Yone mixed damage (and to be fair, the damage output he does is like 80-85% physical damage still.). Also, he doesn’t have built in lifesteal.

[@beppermint4092]

​@@biggiecheese2004 then that opens up another can of worms though, why does he have the whole vengeance mechanic? a revive mechanic doesn't even make sense on a marksman/assassin champion. even if the revive itself isn't strong early game, the scoundrel effect lasts 60 seconds and he can generate pretty disgusting amounts of free gold. shutdowns already punish players for dying with a lead, i don't think a champion needs 100 free gold on kill (145 with triumph and collector!) just because it fits a forced theme.

[@bagabundo17]

@@biggiecheese2004 by that argument every marksman should have stealth. He already have movility to scape

[@pedrofederico951]

Riot: Hahaha 5 distinctive passive champions go brrrrrr

[@pedrofederico951]

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[@thylakoto]

@@pedrofederico951 lmao

[@fitmotheyap]

@@pedrofederico951 that's an amazing comparison lmao

[@aryapratama5648]

@@pedrofederico951 hey dude, I have summonned an old gods. What I need to do now

[@braules]

@@pedrofederico951 I stop reading it halfway bc I said no papa this shit’s a curse 💀

[@AltiusMax]

Honestly, most of the champs that i used to main were just "I like their designs, their lore and they are played in the lanes i like to play. When did people start only wanting 1vs9 machines instead of the classic trinity of: * I'm not killing or engaging but i'm helping others from behind * I'm killing the enemies by cleaver tactics , teamwork and positioning * I'm distracting the enemies from the others by splitpushing or peeling. Feels sad man

[@KaoticKitFire]

Ever since they realized how important sells of LCS was to them. LCS has to be fun and engaging to watch. That is why scaling champs for example aren't usually picked in them anymore from what I've heard. You pick the flashy character that can 1v5 the whole team pretty much doing nothing. The game is so fast paced that you basically lose before 20 mins. Hence probably why they added a way to surrender before then. All I'm saying is older league had some magic to it where is new league is definitely fun champ wise but the game as a whole now just isn't

[@AltiusMax]

@@KaoticKitFire it hurts... I'm really expecting them to release the Ruined King game, the MMO or that proyect PVE they teased on the Anniversary event I love the universe and characters of League.. But that love cannot sustain how tired im of thr MOBA any longer

[@devforfun5618]

@@AltiusMax they are doing what i would have done earlier, instead of maintaning one game for longer than it should, diversing the ip with different games, just look at nintendo, they have multiple mario franchises, including wario/yoshi/luigi/toad with different gameplay, pokemon has anime,card games, rpg, puzzles, pinball,snap pokemon go one idea i was making in gamemaker was a shooter with league of legends marksmen, because they made that project gamemode that had an interesting premisse for a standalone game, they could easily make games based solely on skin lines, like star guardian for an adventure game, a kaiju versus mechs 3d fighter using both skin lines they even made a tabletop game with yordles that could become a computer game

[@AltiusMax]

@@devforfun5618 I remeber Odyssey and SG gamemodes really fondly. I would buy a game style Diablo or Minecraft Dungeons in that universes...

[@remito7839]

They realized that players don't get the same dopamine rush, which keeps them playing, if they aren't doing flashy outplays constantly. I love playing Sona or Soraka and just sitting behind throwing heals and buffs while debuffing the enemy. But I have to admit it gets depressing, when you can literally carry 4-5 games by getting your hypercarries into late game, only to not be acknowledged at all. Who gets the praise when I land a 5 man Sona ult and give a speed and damage buff to my Katarina so she can run in and get a Penta? The Kat does. Who gets the honor when I keep my adc alive through a 2v5 fight? The adc of course. Living in the shadows and not getting any recognition for what you do, just because your K/D/A doesn't represent the numbers well, is frustrating. Hell it's not even about K/D/A anymore, it's only about K/D. You can be 0/4/50 and people will only see the 0/4 and assume you are useless.

[@thunderstorm8007]

In League, you havin fun means others are miserable, fun champs means countering them is a nightmare

[@SangoProductions213]

I absolutely hate everything about akshan, ability design, visual design, voice acting, and even the lore ability of resurrection. It's not even like a mad scientist's "resurrection" or some literal fucking God of healing. Like that would feel cohesive. Not a single ability follows from any other. If you had just the teaser that's just the picture of a grappling hook you wouldn't even be able to guess a quarter of the kit. It's actually such a dissonant champion that I don't care what his numbers are. I absolutely despise it.

[@MrFufor]

For me, it's just his whole W ability (and the lore part about ressurection) that's weird. An ADC guy doesn't need perma stealth or Warwick W passive with a revive. Rest of his kit kinda fits each other ability imo. He is supposed to be an ADC assasin like thingy, so having a dash, execute etc. makes sense. Even though his E animation looks absolutely terrible

[@SangoProductions213]

@@MrFufor What I mean by "His abilities don't follow from another," is that each ability seems to just be in its own world. Why would a flamboyant grapnel hook swinger suddenly go stealth? Why are they now a sniper that charges up for a couple seconds, when their basic attack is rapidly double-tapping? Why's he just carrying a boomerang? Is he half-Australian? His e is at least coherent with the design. You expect it from a character of the personality and weaponry. Even if I detest the personality. But the rest of the abilities have nothing to do with one another. It feels like a mess.

[@Bladius_]

@@SangoProductions213 He's a scoundrel with many enemies, the stealth 100% makes sense from a lore perspective. From a gameplay perspective; he's a squishy, roaming mid-laner. Without that stealth he could NEVER risk roaming off mid. He gets clapped by assassins and mages if he leaves turret and most junglers are just handed a freebie if they see him alone in the jungle. Why do you think other ADCs have to cower on lane or roam with a support? Why do assassins have roam prio over mages? The Boomerang is likely a classic Shuriman weapon in runeterra, nobody has an issue with Sivir's; also a Shuriman. You'll also notice the lore of the sentinels implies they have vast armories (or at least did) at their disposal, nothing is really off the table. For in-game reasons; he's a midlaner, he needs a clearing tool. He's also a squishy ADC so the reveal/slow helps him with assassins. Please don't call things incoherent when they quite clearly have a purpose/explanation, you don't have to like it, but it clearly makes sense.

[@SangoProductions213]

@@Bladius_ You mistake coherence with "potentially having some sort of justification." Coherence means that the different elements are in alignment. They make sense with each other. No one complains about Sivir being decoherent due to her boomerang... because it's not. A full third of her model is her boomerang. (An artifact, rather than a common weapon, if I understood her lore correctly, but that's aside the point.) Her full kit makes sense in the context of "she throws boomerangs." Well, OK, the spell shield is weird, and has no apparent explanation, coherent or otherwise. But that's to be expected of season 1 champions, and like most s1 champs... she doesn't really draw attention to any of her abilities in particular, while Sylas is so fantastically flamboyant that you are forced to listen to his voice lines even when you're across the map from him. So, let's flip this around and say that his defining feature isn't the sentinel weapon which can do a hundred and one things, but it's that he's a scoundrel. Cool. Guns make sense for scoundrels, because they are effective and quick weapons. Makes sense so far. "Watch me sneak on this rope as I swing toward you!" Hmm. Oh and "Instead of shooting you, I will throw this stick at you, as it comes back to me."

[@Bladius_]

@@SangoProductions213 They are in alignment, everything in his kit fits his role and helps him to carry it out; His role is "Roaming midlane ADC". (Nothing I say below is justifying his balance, just his theme/riot's intent from my perspective. He probably IS over loaded.) So we need a way to survive mid, a way/reason to roam, and a way to be a carry/threat. Note before all this he IS listed as an secondary role Assassin (like Vayne/Quinn). Passive helps with last hitting, and shields him from poke when going up to farm, also assists him with carrying. Q is his wave clear, soft-escape and helps with assassins that use stealth. All great, work towards his theme. (lets him check bushes too with the vision it gives) W active is how he's even allowed to leave lane, I already explained this above so I won't repeat myself. The passive is his reason to roam, bare in mind if a teammate has died that typically disincentivises roaming for other champs; Akshan as a hybrid-assassin needs to have a reason to risk going for the attempt, doing that kind of thing on a Zed/LB would be way less risky because of their mobility. E from a lore perspective obviously just makes sense for traversing Shurima stealthily/quickly. In game, it's his way to play on the edge and look for resets to continue a chase or swoop out after a catch (assassin, remember). R is fairly plain. It's a finisher, he shoots the gun. Not much to say here. As for his gun; it's a multitool. He was leaving his temple and jammed everything he needed together. The boomerang is actually just "holstered" on the gun for quick access, he throws it by hand. As for Sivir's being an "artifact", the design of the Avengerang should clue you in that it's likely an ancient Sentinel weapon he's practiced with. He only recently got the absolver, it likely isn't his typical weapon of choice.

[@G0ldkloud]

Nobody: Vars: HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN PANTHEON'S THIGHS???I CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE NOTICING PANTHEON COULD CRUSH A BOULDER BETWEEN HIS LEGS CMON

[@Andrex2311]

Am I the only one that's a lot more excited for the tiny goth yordle than I'm for bargain bin Aladin with a grappling hook? I don't know if that says more about the new champs' designs or me...

[@julianswinton5355]

Welp creativ design are trown out the window for any human character since seraphine. Monster get the short stick doe to china market

[@julianswinton5355]

@@jh89g8icxhas08 True. The saddest thing about yuumi is she is one of the "monster" characters besides centaur bambi riot promised to be the requested monsters after ornn

[@youtubeguestuser4603]

@@julianswinton5355 from what I'm hearing the chinese players aren't too impressed by riot's champ design recently either

[@kirat2009]

I'm a sup main and my biggest issue with the new champs is that they all dive with impunity due to all the dashes/untargetability/lifesteal, my first game against akshan he could use his hookshot to just double kill us under tower whenever he wanted before he even hit lvl6 and now I permaban him even though he's a midlaner

[@magical571]

@STERBEN was wondering the same. how are people struggling with an average win rate champion who actually needed hotfix buffs?

[@UnbornHeretic]

Riot is also kind of hurting themselves when they overload these characters. Don't give a character three new interactions or gameplay mechanics. Give three characters three unique interactions with kits that focus on them. It would also make them less same-y. A lot of the newer champs are pretty similar to me. If you give two champions 50 different aspects, they look similar in their complexity.

[@murphygay7606]

Another problem with this trend is that it could lead to cookie cutter design where everything has the same sort of general "slayer" feel to it bc they they think they have "perfected an engaging design" instead of exploring

[@flameofmage1099]

Yone, Viego, Gwen, and especially Akshan could've been great champions. Then Riot gave them shields, % max health damage, etc for NO REASON. It just stupid. If all these champions were not so over loaded they would be awesome, but they are. I could go on about Akshan specifically. Don't do this to your game Riot.

[@the_gaming_wisp1778]

One thing I don't like about Akshan is how his W would work in lore. He's a guy who has a grappling hook that can reive people, so why/how does he go invisible?

[@lulunisha]

would you prefer gwen have flat damage instead of % health so she oneshots adcs and squishies and is worthless against tanks? %health damage is an equalizer that makes her able to fight other bruisers and tanks and not be overwhelming for adcs. it's been in kits since the game came out (amumu) for that reason lmfao

[@skillorb]

@@lulunisha yes.

[@FalcnPWNCH]

all of this yes, except the one thing; Akshan *SHOCKINGLY* is the only new champ so far that has *NO MAX HP % DAMAGE...* utterly mindblowing I know

[@FunnyBlackHole]

@@FalcnPWNCH but he has missing hp% damage

[@Gravitysonic0]

With every champion release the collective years in game design experience go up.

[@rickypinney9239]

If you had gone back in time and told me that sett’s kit was simple and balanced compared to future champions I would be shocked. I remember how broken his health regen was and now we have passives that are more extensive than some champions

[@gamegaloo]

I replayed this video 7 times already just because hearing you rant about new champs is like music to ears. It's super soothing ahhhhhh....

[@sirscribble3182]

My favorite champion is twitch. I’ve really considered taking a break from this game, because there is really no point to playing my champ anymore. Unless you get ridiculously fed in the lane phase (which is where he is weakest) you are just useless the whole game. What is the point of playing and ADC when a bruiser or Tank can do just as much damage, but with 5x your health pool?

[@IanCookUS]

This channel kept showing up in my recommended for months so I finally subscribed... surprised to see the community is less than 100k subs. Love your analyses & vids!

[@VarsVerum]

Welcome aboard!

[@zarekodynski9077]

Thank you! These are the videos that need to be made. You made the exact point I’ve been making since they started with these busted overloaded champions. I think I said it in one of your previous videos, but I’ll say it again. Akshan doesn’t need 10 passives to be cool and unique, they did a great job through his design and his E that actually makes him unique. His E doesn’t even need the reset to be unique either that’s just added fluff. He is the only champion that can swing around on a grapple hook, he doesn’t need gnar+shen+Lucian+sivir passive, executing ultimate, or infinite stealth+Warwick+mana regen+gold+revive W to be unique. His kit could literally just be: Double shot passive with MS on cancel Q- Boomerang that extends its range on hit. W- 5 second stealth with revive passive (no bonus gold) E- swinging grapple hook that shoots nearby enemies. R- moving snipe with bonus damage for charging (still blocked by minions and towers) Look how simple that is compared to what he currently has, and he still has an almost completely unique kit, without all the extra fluff. All that extra stuff just makes him a balance nightmare because he had 30 different numbers that need to be tuned. Instead he can have like 6 numbers that can be tuned and he will still feel about the same.

[@Vario69]

The worst thing is: you CAN make super unique character unlike any other AND have them have super simple skillset. Singed.

[@freddiet.rowlet525]

It just feels like there are so many small changes you could make to new champions that would make them so much less oppressive and complicated but still viable. Like look at Viego: P - It's his unique mechanic so it's difficult to compare to others. Q is a double attack and lifesteal - Shyvana has double attack but not lifesteal, Yi has healing but can't attack during, jungle items give tonnes of drain anyway. W is a (short) ranged stun - Udyr has a stun but often has to burn flash to get it off. E is a large camouflage field - Senna also has a visible camouflage field but its range is much much smaller. R is an execute with resets and many mobility uses, key to his most impactful ability, his passive - Akali R is an execute but is time limited due to the first cast and is not free-targeted, Samira E is mobility with resets and is key to her most impactful ability, R, but is not free-targeted and only resets on kills, not assists. It's just interesting how many of the references I've used here are champions that people hate a lot but they still have elements of balance to similar abilities where Viego does not.

[@joaquinduverne6259]

I feel like Riot instead of releasing exciting new ways to enjoy the game (like those crazy Dota or Hots champions), they are just releasing high mobile and sustained monsters that don't feel like they bring up anything new to the table at this point... It feels like Viego and Ashkan's new mechanics are kinda wasted on them since they are about everything else except those novelties...

[@darknessdash1853]

darius counterplay: deny him his passive and he wont be able to do much viego counterplay: dont have anyone on your team die and he will still whoop your ass but atleast he wont 1vs5 you

[@shodore]

Darius: dont let him hit you 5 times, if he does just back away for 5 seconds Viego: watch out for the mist, the stun and the ult reset. Dont send the tank on him since he deals %health and upon killing he will get the tank stats and kit. Also focus him down quickly before he picks up the invulnerability passive which also restores health. Fight him outside the mist since he gains attack and mov speed there. Anything else Im forgetting?

[@shodore]

@STERBEN Darius grab is lower range than every adc auto range but 2, the slow last for 1 second, Q has a windup time you have to be stun or mentally handicapped to not dodge it, R just procs passive on kill, the spell deals 100 damage without the passive bonus AD. Darius is straight up dogshit

[@ckmnsqdoo3895]

@@shodore Good, keep him that way pls. Stupid champ

[@True_Damage69]

Sad thing is,it feels like riot forces a billion mechanics into a champion to make them fun. Why cant we have simple champions like annie, garen, malphite or warwick. It's very obvious riot is running out of ideas to make a UNIQUE champion and not copy and paste multiple abilities into one. Another thing is if they want a hard champion,they need to be extremely overloaded. Look at aurelion sol,his kit looks really easy and simple to play,but he is actually extremely hard and difficult to play. Same thing with anivia.

[@HamsterPants522]

I think simple champions should have high skill ceilings too, so that everyone can be rewarded for playing their favorites.

[@fiddlemage6894]

Riots most unique champions dont appeal to the majority of the playerbase, and they tend to be the hardest to balance. Same thing with super simple champs, since they tend to be stat checks because of how one dimensional they are. Riots only solution would be to make skill expressive champs but make them unique, but how do you keep creating uniqueness with over 150 champs.

[@yuhhhhhh4259]

They dont sell. Riot is partially owned by tencent so they gotta make them money

[@BootlegYakuzaYT]

simple champions are the hardest to balance tho, this is why garen and darius have to stay strong as stat checkers otherwise they are pretty much worthless without high numbers, same for annie and malphite, its really hard to balance simple champs because their simplicity is sometimes even stronger than a new champion release like akshan

[@HamsterPants522]

@@BootlegYakuzaYT Yeah. The solution to that problem is to just make them more skill expressive.

[@vikeghawlimz965]

Rell beats Mordekaiser exactly once then Mord just adds more souls to his magic metal body and wins by making Rell's metal manipulation useless.

[@PlanADidntWorkOut]

8:33 This whole video could be summarized by this single picture, love it

[@eliel14ful]

vars: Yone is the most overloaded champion ever produce. Akshan: hold my beer.....

[@SadToffee]

"they suck in team fights" *laughs in Jax gaming*

[@imaskullyosis]

I'm reeeeally hoping Vex will be a simpler champion when she's finally announced. The theme of a mage who controls her shadow to attack seems like a really good idea and she just doesn't seem like the kind of champion to have anime protag syndrome from what I've seen in the sentinel event. Fingers crossed

[@gonma2642]

At the end vex was a very simple and balanced champion, no complains about it :D

[@Io-ik4yv]

@@gonma2642 true

[@Mofuwu]

@@gonma2642 Still, reset on her ultimate for no apparent reason.

[@Nhouyengah]

@@Mofuwu The reset kinda makes sense since it's an engage / high risk ability done by a squishy champion, i think it fits and it's balanced, it's not like it heals her or she become immune to CC for no reason, stealthed, untargetable, for a mage to have a ultimate that is dashing in on the whole team you need an ult like Lissandra or a reset like Katarina to not make them utter dogshit since losing your sencond carry at the start of a fight often means you lose it. Imagine having nocturne ult on syndra, now that would be utter trash

[@saltylelele]

Vex was a good release yeah.

[@katgut]

I hope vex is broken, I have definitely lived long enough to become the villan

[@Celestial-yq6hz]

Well, she’s said to be an immobilising champion, I even think one of her abilities will be a huge aoe slow

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

Can't wait to see Vex having spell shield everytime she hit 3 ability on the enemy while dealing max health damage and a ground ability that scales off her movement speed and her passive gives movement speed from every ability haste and everytime she walk she stack ability haste and don't forget about her passive when clicked she kills everything that is under 25% max health

[@AkiNoShinen]

@@kujojotarostandoceanman2641 delete the comment riot will see it :/

[@remito7839]

Honestly? I'd take it just so we can have a mage that can keep up with the meta. I am sick of every new broken champ being an ad assassin or marksman.

[@argumentumadhominem3977]

just give us bloodseekers ult or x marks the spot from dota

[@DandeDingus]

I think we forget that some of the most insane champs are the older ones, like katarina, with resets on kills, with exceptions of the nightmares that riot calls reworks like akali and irelia. For me personally, playing against a viego, gwen or yone has never really felt worse than playing against a yasuo or some of the other older shitshows

[@magical571]

This.

[@kyuzairen5383]

I don’t think people know what counterplay is, Gwen was called BROKEN on release then off and on then people realized she has a really hard time sticking onto people since she has no reliable cc Katarina is pretty insane IF you don’t go a champ with a cancel on her, you could even go Soraka against her since she has a silence if you’re good enough

[@kyuzairen5383]

Like seriously, Kat can't catch up to you if you stun her after she uses W

[@Regunes]

You know you have a design flaw when every new champ has a form of sustain that makes every pre-2018 champ seems like a joke.

[@nate8808]

I've been saying it since his release. Akshans revive makes no sense in his kit. They made a decent still overloaded champion and then said we need more. What else can we add to make 3 champions into one? There response to this was that they try to add new and unique things to the game so they decided to give him a revive. Apparently his passive, grappling hook, and scoundrel mechanic isn't new and exciting enough

[@peridaplatypus]

It funny that his trailer and teaser all show his grappling mechanic, yet in game it just one ability

[@eduard8329]

The revive mechanic is related to the lore...

[@hamzasami8362]

@@eduard8329 Can't it be an ultimate ability then? Or like Warwicks W that has a huge cooldown? It's not even an ability, it's a PASSIVE with nO cooldown that can revive the entire team in a single fight. wtf?

[@eduard8329]

@@hamzasami8362 ik but the guy said „”Akshans revive makes no sense in his kit.” it has meaning on his kit based on his lore but i do agree with you in some degree. i should not be a passive. More like an ulty like that champ in overwatch that used to revive dead teammates around her, but with a big cooldown or revive them temporarily idk.

[@ДюсековИльяс]

@@hamzasami8362 he can only kill 1 enemy and all other scoundrel Mark's are removed. So he has a "cooldown". But if your teammate die then you revive, then again someone dies and he can revive his entire team. If your team dies in one moment he can't unless qwadrakill.

[@themegajedi6663]

“Does anyone even want to play Garen anymore” shots fired

[@ClearCubess]

Lets not forget Viego's ult has a disgusting amount of healing on it with no diminishing returns

[@sweetillusions5495]

9:49 I mean to be fair in Qiyana's case, her Q resetting upon W usage is pretty necessary for her combos and it's still necessary for her to buy ability haste for stealth uptime. Whereas with most other newer champs with resets you could probably remove them and they'd still be functional champions.

[@baergrills9980]

What bothers me is the complete disregard of items. The whole appeal of specialized classes is the opportunity to build game-specific item combinations to make up for what your champion can’t do in order to better fight the enemy’s team composition. Most of the newer champions can do so many different things that items serve as basic stat buffs rather than creative game adaptations, and it’s honestly so disappointing.

[@obotchaman3160]

You know Riot has favourites when slayers, the class with 10 champions, have a dedicated itemisation while every AP champion has to be crammed in a single page.

[@supersaltytea718]

literally same with adcs not even half and page

[@hamzasami8362]

mord, sylas, akali, and all mages share the same item tree.. ??????

[@catelyntully9494]

@@supersaltytea718 ADC do have many items, more if you consider that many of them can use some fighter items, not saying I wouldn't want more but then you look at what the guy over me said and realize Akali, Morde, Sylas, Syndra and Kayle use the same item tree.

[@mylessundiniv4330]

ah yes, I do love having to build my Seraph's Embrace on Akali because it is the best 2nd-3rd item powerspike on AP champs bro :/

[@almightygod87]

This isn't even true come on now lmao

[@D3V1LBr34TH]

Adding counterplay to counterplay to counterplay ... now who also said something like this ? Something "super", something "top" ... Aatrox main maybe as well :p

[@iAmATR3YU]

Who?

[@streptococo4735]

@@iAmATR3YU the guy that went right thru the counterstrike

[@InternetAddict069]

NGL I think Gwen is pretty tame compared to other new champions

[@err6036]

True. All her problems are mostly numbers and her w. Other than that, she's just any other skirmisher

[@quincy7258]

True, she is not that big of a deal. Even rework irelia is more annoying than her

[@inigo137]

So cool when you are playing a mage and you can touch her, much counterplay, much fun

[@koalteufel7947]

@@inigo137 Thats what ADCs say about Yasuo and Jax, or what most players say about Yi or Fizz. Shes seriously not that bad IMO.

[@inigo137]

@@koalteufel7947 you can CC a Jax, a yasuo, and you can bait fizz E, you literally can't touch her during her fog, which is GIGANTIC. I can only run like a bitch playing zilean, I literally can't touch her.

[@settdunk6430]

Akali's passive when I first read it I thought you will have to hit them and then dash out and then dash back in and it made sense why her kit had so much mobility But instead of that she has just a ton of mov speed a slow on Q(she can max range Q immidetly procing it) and extended range and a stealth allowing her to just Q walk back and walk back in and proc it as much as she wants

[@jususi71]

when you play an old champion vs a new champ most of the time you just find that your enemy has so many tools to fight you with, but your older champ barely has any tricks up its sleeve, making it very 1dimensional if ur opponent knows what he/she is doing

[@mynameisyoshikagekira2247]

As a player who has always been drawn to newer champions, I wish they'd stop making them so I could move on from this game.

[@troyrootbeer13]

I'm actually excited for Vex tho I love her design and she's pretty much the nostalgia to my teenage emo years. Ability wise she'll probably be nuts and all the assassin players will cry about her for 2 patches till she's unplayable.

[@fitmotheyap]

I hope she destroys the rift,CC is annoying,assassin insta kill is annoying Like mentioned anti hyperactivity She/He? is gonna be my fav due to that

[@maelcorbel7901]

I just really hope that she wont be another overloaded champ, i dont really want to read a whole essay before playing her plus it would be quite dissapointing since i have high hopes on her

[@zandromex8985]

I'm really excited for Vex too. Mages have been getting the short end of the stick for this whole season. Using the power of 200 years, let's show them what a mage can really do.

[@fashionsuckman4652]

@@maelcorbel7901 eh, she's a mage, let her have an overloaded kit

[@caioteixeira1541]

im tired of anime characters. i absolutely hate league art.

[@eloeden2056]

i enjoy the sexiness of new male champs. It’s only fair since most of female champs are super sexy. But i don’t like how overloaded new champs are. They either need to be toned down or old champ need to get new features in their kit. The grappling hook of Akshan is super interesting and fun skill but the revive isn’t and doesn’t make sense in his kit. That revive should have been a support skill/ultimate. Like a paladin/priest type of character

[@bevvvy1374]

I'm fine with attractive characters, nothing wrong with them. As long as they're tasteful about it. Every new guy champ shows off their 6 pack as if it's completely normal to do so. Like can they at least try and hide the pandering a little bit? It's just really poor form imo.

[@envisionenvii3641]

@@bevvvy1374 you sound like a 40 year old christian mom ngl, but i do see where you're coming fronm (somewhat)

[@bevvvy1374]

@@envisionenvii3641 I'm unsure how not wanting to constantly see the same exposed chest over and over again makes me sound like a Christian mom but you do you I guess

[@apricot3998]

@@bevvvy1374 Like, riot themselves in a dev blog said that since 2017, making attractive characters is what sells. That's what they care about.

[@uxie6177]

@@apricot3998 The problem isn't that they're attractive, the problem is that their wardrobes are all the same with the exposed chest/abs over and over again. I've had people tell me Battle Professor Graves is one of the hottest characters in the game. Do you know what he DOESN'T have? Exposed abs. You don't NEED to do the same thing over and over again to have a hot/attractive male character, just like you don't need to be in a miniskirt and chainmail bikini to have an attractive female character.

[@Justahumbletalonmain]

13:24 feel free to take that out of context

[@YasuoHashiraYTB]

Literally the best video on youtube, someone speaking the truth ! I am already done with the game / quitting this season. You cant ban 6 new champs every single champ select, and then it feels terrible to play against them as they counterplay all the counterplay they are supposed to have ... xD

[@GattlingCombo]

Someone's a Persona fan, and a fan of Pantheon's quads and Sett's abs. Welcome!

[@harry2l8]

Joker, Pantheon and Sett are quite sexy tbh

[@deuterium2718]

knowing most of the 'new champ extras' just get removed has always been a reason for me to hold off on buying them \_o_/

[@thelastsepheramain6867]

Off topic but: Are Rell and Lillia overloaded?

[@galeforce8155]

Those are 2 champs i dont mind... and never see

[@MI-nv8np]

They are how all new champs should be. Fun, but not op.

[@aleixlorca7519]

Lillia is good, the problem she has is that in soloq people don't understand how sleep works

[@kulovicz3152]

Both actually need some skill to use so I do not mind them.

[@CelVini]

Nah

[@malibiranfedericoiiimanlap7423]

Remember when GP had a mana refund on his Q and then they removed it saying it was too strong

[@Leonardodeboni0406]

I hate when as adc i start tô destroy gp barrels and he says "fuck" and start tô shoot right in my face Os: still Hurts a lot XD

[@OKIGorgon]

9:20 I wouldn't call Akshan W a Viego or Kha's stealth. It's more Evelynn's lvl 6 passive with a dash of Warwick W. So to me Akshan is ranged AD Evelynn.

[@benny8487]

The thing with alot of the old champions is, that they gain absurd stats in return. Grasp Teemo can burst you down, since he needs that damage to actually poke others down. Garen has very good damage, since he cant follow a lot of champions unless he just straight up oneshots them. This philosophy doesnt just hurt the old champs, but the new ones too.

[@danielbatista8760]

Bring the guy that made thresh and Darius back we need him

[@alphamav3rickgaming]

He still works for riot. He also designed Yasuo, Zoe, Aphelios and Akali rework

[@joeyishere9498]

Yeah Certainly T,He is the Best

[@asrieldreemurr1918]

@@alphamav3rickgaming I’m sorry to inform you but he doesn’t make champs anymore he sadly works on tft

[@aleixlorca7519]

I'm happy he stopped making champions, he was a force to fear, a guy that made the alkali rework, aphelios and yasuo isnt good to make champs balanced

[@boguinator]

@@aleixlorca7519 poeple often forgets akali using smoke under enemy towers

[@Jaws1375]

Honestly, because of the crazy overloaded nature of the new champs, I've been playing the game a lot less. It feels like my favorite champs, which are older, are useless comparatively. It puts me off of the game. On the bright side I have a lot more time for other things, so I guess thanks Riot?

[@deler1064]

Love the Persona 5 night theme in the background. I started that game a week ago and it's nice to be able to hear and recognize that game's phenomenal soundtrack in unlikely places.

[@indigofenix00]

It's kind of neat that League can have micro-focused champions in the same game as macro-focused ones. In general, skillshots, resets, and generally overloaded kits tend to favor micro-gameplay, while stat-checkers with point-and-click abilities require a macro-focus. A lot of newer champs are more micro-focused, but the neat thing is that macro-focused champions force the game to be more macro-focused even if their opponents are micro-focused. It doesn't matter how skilled you are at dodging skillshots, you still need to pay attention to the location of a champion who doesn't need to aim.

[@ysvgames1660]

I feel as though 1. Riot intends to take the game in a direction that is more similar to urf, and 2. Creating champions to potentially counter a previous counter they had created is good design philosophy as long as more counters are constantly made, or they are countered by champions already currently in game. For yuumi, I would argue Miss fortune being a good counter due to e slow and w grievous wounds

[@morningtide7956]

Quick yone fix that would make him less aggregious to fight against: half the healing on his AA and q

[@ahubb21]

Setts been my favorite release in years largely because his kit has little complexity, and he doesn't bring 30 things to a fight with just his abilities. Like Skooch said; he hits you and when you hit him, he hits you harder.

[@Zero-zr6xx]

Yeah what made him broken first release is just his high numbers not his kit. now I think he is pretty good and tame compared to the new ones

[@GehennaGates]

From the point of view of an ADC. I used to think every fight " ok I need to flash the Malphite ult, dodge the Morgana q and keep my distance from Scarner". etc Now: " WTF hit me, how did he hit me, and how am I dead?" The game has soo much many more things you need to keep track of. Because every new champion 1 ability = 2 old champion abilities.

[@tender0828]

Akshan looks straight out of a Disney movie though...

[@blackFire860]

Honestly at this point I'm almost certain the reason Riot didn't make Rell full on 200 years is because she isn't old enough to safely sell skins based on sex appeal.

[@matthewchi5292]

I disagree with Gwen and Akshan. Gwen is pretty simple her stats are just too high and need to be lowered. Akshan on the other hand is overloaded but downright useless because of assassins being everywhere in midlane in the current meta and to counterbalance his resurrection ability they literally made the rest of kit completely useless

[@h4roeverynyan55]

Idk He can kill full hp squishies with just pressing R, I guess it does have counterplay, but its still a badly designed ability. Assasins in midlane really aren't a problem for adc's, especially in lane. Just look at lcs and how much lucian mid gets played. Aslong as the marksman player plays it well the lane is pretty easy to win for Akshan, even against assasins, especially since Akshan has mobility and even a shield to help with short trades. Overall his kit is overloaded, even tho it might be fun to play I feel like he gets too many things for free.

[@khonsenwright4986]

Personally I didn't find Gwen ever needing nerfs to numbers or mechanics. Although some quality of life changes could be added to her kit 🤔 By any means she's not broken, I'd say she's best balanced from all of recent new champions or reworks

[@wilijaming456]

@@khonsenwright4986 fun fact before they nerfed her e this patch she could 1v1 darius full bleed with 12 stack conq

[@pavelcastillo9513]

@@h4roeverynyan55 Men, his ult can be blocked with minions, champions and torrets, and needs more of 2 seconds to cast the full damage. The 3 hit passive I'm not pretty sure if is necessary, but the ms with the basic is pretty need by his short range aa

[@nate8808]

@@khonsenwright4986 I completely disagree. I understand where you're coming from but since Gwen's release she has been played non stop in pro play because her kit is so strong. I personally have climbed from hard stuck gold 3 to platinum 1 with only Gwen. She doesn't have very many bad match ups, she does true damage, she is untargetable and surprisingly tanky for someone building near full AP

[@bobbobobob9054]

Gwen is a okay champion with a okay kits, most of her problem just came from her numbers being too high

[@mllhild]

As a support main I disagree on her just ignoring my existence while oneshoting my adc. And no I can not walk into the circle as an enchanter or AP support because we go puff.

[@thelastsepheramain6867]

I'm only troubled with her true damage and W, otherwise, i think her kit is pretty tame

[@inigo137]

@@mllhild this, so much this. You literally can't play the game against her bullshit fog as an enchanter or cc mage

[@inigo137]

@@klausgoldfisch3231 IT LAST 5 SECONDS there are entire team fights that last shorter times, Wtf are you even talking about, lmao. It's hilarious reading so many people talking like they are experts justifying broken Champs when by pure stadistics, 90% of them are silver or below

[@Zero-zr6xx]

ATLEAST she can't oneshot you from 2 screens away

[@randuinsomen5480]

18:08 "does anyone want to play garen anymore?" DEMACIA

[@jarekhartwell6235]

As a gwen main, i can confirm. She hits a lot. Maybe too much. But gwens biggest issue is her vulnerability displacment and stun effects. A single malphite with ult can body her, and she has no team fight potential. I know this probably sounds like a bias take, but as someone who plays gwen more than any other champion, ive noticed her biggest weaknesses, and unlike someone like akshan, she actually does have hard counters

[@fish6911]

Katarina has always been a godly teamfighter assassin, that's basically her entire shtick. It seems like you forget about her a lot when you talk about assassins.

[@danieldani5922]

Just cc her

[@angel_of_rust]

are assassins meant to really 1v5 an entire team, not just the squishy ADC?

[@PedroAce]

I wish people would talk about Akshan ult more.... Its a targeted lucian ult that deals more damage and also % missing hp damage that gives vision of the target. Akshan is actually just 7 others champions just better and he doesnt need to steal their body or mist soul to do it either.

[@caol8075]

Yeah but does Lucian ult get blocked by turrets? Also Lucian ult does WAY more damage than akshan ult yes it is a skill shot but even if you don’t hit every shot it still usually does more damage his ult is honestly the most balanced ability in his kit besides maybe his q

[@kerresft8745]

@@caol8075 Akshan ult can be blocked by minions too right? 💀

[@marlikbudvergard]

It doesn't do % missing hp damage, it just does more damage by the health missing like Jhin or Veigar's ult

[@caol8075]

@@kerresft8745 yea but so can luc ult

[@marlikbudvergard]

@@caol8075 I checked on my game and there is no scaling of missing hp, I'm from South America so I don't know if the text is different

[@RyanDurel]

I think that new champions are overloaded in an attempt to make them more self-sustaining, which is more likely to interest players to play in solo queue instead of not playing at all without friends. As for newer champions looking like anime characters - sex sells. They aren't making monster characters (or old ones for that matter) because no one wants to fuck 'em. It's why even the visual rework of Mundo, who I'm pretty sure is a zombie, was made to look more handsome. It's also why this current Sentinels of Light event is adding a new Thresh skin to make him look fuckable, since apparently his default skin just wasn't thematic enough?

[@aubreyholdinggun]

Something funny, about the whole advanced kit attributes was old Mordekaiser. Before he got Aatrox'd, Mordekaiser's abilites were: - Gaining a shield up to 25% of his max health through abilities. - Three auto attacks dealing upwards of ( 200 - 360% AD ) ( 240% AP ) - An auto-attack reset attached to forementioned. - An ally-targeted AoE over time, which damaged upwards of ( 90% AP ) over time and ( 30% AP ) on recast, healing up to ( 60% AP )- not even mentioning the pretty huge base damage on said ability. - The aforementioned ability also has a passive that refunds half of the experience lost from you laning with an ally laner. - A mixed scaling AoE that at full rank instantly fills up your passive. - Ultimate passive which if you gain a takedown ( damaged an enemy within 10 seconds to be precise ) you can enslave them as your own ally and use their auto attacks as if you were controlling Tibbers / Daisy. ( Enslaved units gained 15% of Mordekaiser's health and 100% of his AD, while Mordekaiser gains 25% of the enslaved unit's health and 30% of their AP. ) - A %health magic damage over time lasting over 10 seconds, applying spell effects and reapplying the aforementioned passive each tick. ( So dying within 20 seconds of Mordekaiser ulting you enslaves you. ) - You can enslave the dragon... Yes, that means gaining and sharing dragon stats. Doesn't sound too far off of one of the new champions, huh? XD I'm not saying this to prove any point, I'm just saying he was quite wild for the other champions of his age.

[@prod.arcsyne2990]

Old champs: sugar spice everything nice. New: sugar spice, malt powder, coffee beans, xanthum gum, orange zest, everything nice, a pair of timberland boots, lawnmower sprinkled with cinnamon.