BADLY Designed Abilities | League of Legends

[@benthebloon9588]

I like how they removed a lot of point and click abilities for “more counterplay” and now we have yuumi

[@R0bot4]

I mean, her e is not point and click soo….

[@radosam8415]

@@R0bot4 you're right. It's just click

[@Kidwaizer]

@@radosam8415 Bro imagine a Heal that you have to aim to you Allies and no, Senna does not count I mean like Ez Q lmao

[@Xpectra32]

@@Kidwaizer overwatch and heroes of the storm did it xD, its possible

[@R0bot4]

@@radosam8415 welp, My PoInT sTanDs

[@flameofmage1099]

I personally enjoy playing Trundle into Morde. He ults me and steals my stats, I steal them back.

[@lordsnia2152]

👌🤣🤣

[@ivansusanj2706]

Troll male grindset

[@sopadefideos5636]

Uno reverse card

[@budinhapalmieri]

If communism is legalized scenes like these will become common

[@AGuy-0751]

Morde can also do the opposite to you so be careful

[@VarsVerum]

Correction: Camille does %max health true damage with divine sunderer =_= Also extra correction: Morde DOES keep the stat steal even after QSS, though that changes nothing about what I say about Death Realm.

[@saltblood]

Are you winning son?

[@tastytaist9916]

The fact it's on a 5 second cd is its biggest problem, doing more true damage then most ults do in normal damage

[@Smortboi20]

yeah vayne is camille except on giga illegal steroids

[@duytran9086]

Builds HP to counter true dmg. Camille with DS: Casually dealing 1k+ true dmg with 3 bruiser items against other HP stacker.

[@Smortboi20]

@@duytran9086 vayne with berserkers greaves: look what they need to mimick a fraction of my power

[@juliankanzuki2013]

Yasuo's ult is fine.. his wind wall however.... that thing is literally game breaking (it has broke the game a few times in the past, like deleteing malaphite for the rest of the game if he ults through it.)

[@nguyen.tien.phat1310]

wait, what? really? then what could tha Malphite player do to the rest of his game?

[@juliankanzuki2013]

@@nguyen.tien.phat1310 literally nothing, had to sit and watch, was patched pretty quick though, but point is Windwall has been one of the most buggy abilities ever seen.

[@DarkDavid005]

You guys complain about Yasuo's windwall when theres an ability which does exactly what you hate but better. Samiras W, not only does it block everything around her, it does damage, is on lower cooldown, grants her stacks, and unlike Yasuo who has to play around his windwall she just "has" the "windwall" around her.

[@nguyen.tien.phat1310]

@@juliankanzuki2013 that's kinda cool imo. imagine being deleted by raming into a windwall

[@effectz_end]

@@nguyen.tien.phat1310 Ornn's ult says hello

[@feykroTV]

The reason for master yi's Q being his old R and being op is its origine. It's a carbon copy of Dota 2's juggernaut's ultimate, which is why it was placed on the R slot originally and why it's fundamentally super strong. It's a fucking ult.

[@veganjoy]

and to think juggernaut ult has a 160 second cooldown at all ranks, and it costs like half his mana pool lmfao

[@rattamytata1970]

Well juggernaut ult can crit and has a longer immunity duration. But it's still balanced because Dota 2 heroes have gotten tankier over time, and most heroes have over 2000hp by late game. This is not including armour, where most people will have at least 40% physical damage reduction. If they aren't tanky enough they can just buy a 1500 gold item which gives Immunity to physical damage for 4 seconds on a 20 second cooldown.

[@feykroTV]

@@rattamytata1970 i know the spell isn't op in dota, though it's still strong especially in early and mid game. What I'm saying is, it's strong by design which is why it's something fundamentally broken on a champion's Q. It greatly resembles Ember Spirit's Q, but ember returns to the casting point which would make it more balanced in my opinion.

[@voilvelev6775]

Whats funnier is that they copied it SECOND TIME for Fiora's old R (pre-rework).

[@voilvelev6775]

@@rattamytata1970 Yi Alpha can also crit. The difference is that Yurnero's ult not only crits, but also applies on-hit effects, like Skadi or Desolator. Idk how its now, but back in the day it used to be able to proc even Basher.

[@lorieslori8051]

I’m a Karthus player and I have to admit, his R is pure bullshit but it’s very funny bullshit

[@NeuviletteBR]

@@calmgentleman yeah but what you fail to consider is even if every champion on you team has a spell shield or makes you invulnerable, you would either be obligated to use it agains karthus, thus not having that ability for the whole fight, or you can use to block some other ability and then be hit by karthus. Just because he pressed one button. Doesn’t matter the scenario, his ult IS bulshit, but as it has been well put, a very funny bullshit

[@indrickboreale7381]

Kill stealing button

[@TheMagnet92]

You still need good map awareness to make the most of it so not that bullshit for me.

[@maddog_majima9553]

It maybe bad for an adc or some low health character with no MR but mord shield is even worse imo, even with serpents fang if he is a level above you or he has enough AP he gets back all his shield back in one hit

[@steffangls]

@@TheMagnet92 thats a valid point but the minimal return you get with no map awareness is still a lot, you still do damage to everyone so i think its bullshit

[@Hyurno]

Badly designed? Gwen's W. That's an ultimate ability. It's literally Xin Zhao's ultimate LOL.

[@caleblang8026]

but better because xin can still be cc'd from the outside, just doesn't take damage.

[@key1131]

She also got some defense buffs so it’s a win/win ability

[@jaishkhan7442]

They apparently reworked Xin Zhao in the same timeframe

[@thelastfloss1912]

Tbf it doesn't push back the enemies when she uses it so it's not really on the same level as xin zhao's ult

[@johnpetercruz5743]

Gwen's ult is shit tho

[@akhilesh368]

Alpha Strike's only counterplay is running under turret, hoping yi isn't fed, and hoping that you don't die to fast for Yi to tank the turret shots. Or you could also just go untargetable, but that is just fighting fire with fire.

[@alejandropetit6573]

or my favorite of the bunch, locking in rammus and seeing this power ranger ripoff machine gun himself to death

[@doubleyousee72]

My favorite thing is to bait it with pyke if u time it right u can get the inst stun

[@lucykitsune4619]

You could also be playing Leona or Pantheon, wait it out and hit him with your point and click Stun (Or Enhanced Auto which is also point and click, so point still stands)

[@kamilalyakaev3187]

As Sion, precharge Q on the target Yi alphastriked to (in case if he is targetting you, precharge it in the direction Yi jumped on you). If the teammate is not a complete moron with odd number of chromosomes, he will stand in the hitbox. Or he might screw both of you by flashing or running away, which, well, happens all the time. I cannot understand or justify why most players in solo queue community are so unwilling to think twice, instead just flashing to tower while being alphastriked. I cannot possibly explain my level of frustration about how often this happens.

[@swarm-bot6655]

I had a yi do this but I pressed r on khazix and he took 5 turret shots

[@nerilancioni187]

Sona's R is really underpowered. Seraphine's R has longer range which can be extended, wider area, more base and %AP damage, enchants instead of stunning, and costs the same amount of mana

[@Saturn.argo.]

Good and new "rework but a new champion instead"

[@davidkiknavelidze2130]

Seraphine's ultimate has less base damage, higher cd and most importantly it comes out twice as slower and because of that this is more of a set up ultimate, meanwhile Sona's is just an almost insta stun.

[@Saturn.argo.]

@@davidkiknavelidze2130 Yeah, but can her R get half of mid lane in range if you want to?

[@Jynx9921]

I think they are fair, Seraphine is stronger on cc and size but has a charging period while Sona's is instant and does more damage, plus Sona can get hers to ridiculously low CD like Lux levels of low cd.

[@davidkiknavelidze2130]

@@Jynx9921 Agreed, btw I did not know even pokemons play lol these days :D

[@spencerredding9157]

I feel like Yasuo’s wind-wall was somewhat poorly thought through. He can literally just stand inside of it and be immune to projectiles from both sides because of how thick it is. Only one side should actually be catching projectiles, otherwise some really scummy situations occur.

[@alveolate]

it's counterintuitive that it ends up basically blocking projectiles from a far larger range of directions than it implies: aka poor clarity. meanwhile braum's shield doesn't block anything coming from the opposite side, and samira's thing is clearly circular.

[@cespie]

Yeah, I always thought its extremely scoffed how he can essentially just place it as an immunity zone after charging in. Some champions quite literally cannot fight him at all.

[@panosts6178]

@@alveolate Yes but those two are mobile. Yasuo's windwall is stationary meaning a wrong cast can just lead to the opponents running past it and making it useless. Also since the wind comes from the slash on the ground ot would be silly to block just one side

[@jbod4539]

@@panosts6178 bro you can literally instant cast it every 15 seconds at least. No matter the danger. Just don't fat finger and your literally fine.

[@kewada8566]

i would like a breakpoint for the windwall. like a set amount of dmg or hits it can block befor getting destroyed.

[@Synocra]

I like how in the last 20 seconds irelia dashes like 50 times casually

[@MantaRaydiated]

and gets all of her health back casually.

[@NOBODY-jy6hv]

ReSeT

[@marcoestevez6944]

We have a character for the next video, the problem is, all Irelia abilities are trash lol

[@MaderHaker]

@@marcoestevez6944 trash? I wouldnt say so, those are fun to use. OP? Absolutely. Resets should be limited to like 4-5 and then ability should go on cd, rest i dunno how to balance

[@herrdoktor1810]

@@171xlr I don't know where you got that from. Darius has 582 hp, 39 armor and 32 mr at lv1 while Irelia has 540 health, 36 armor and 28 mr. Source: lolwiki. Irelia's stats scale slightly better but she only catches up to him at about ~lv17-18.

[@Yes.Im.a.Ballon]

Jhin's fifth shot is the worst designed ultimate. Change my mind.

[@thelostsoul9446]

His goddamn W...

[@letsrank9349]

You just jumbled my head. Jhin doesn't have a fifth shot😂

[@SaiKisaragi]

It’s all fun and games until Jhin says five

[@mewjelter4208]

unbelievably cursed

[@Yes.Im.a.Ballon]

@@mewjelter4208 Indeed

[@jamesoverbuild9496]

Don't worry guys, Riot will eventually make Soraka's ult not be able to remove Grievous wounds in the future... and then give her the ability to do so again... and then remove it... and then give it again... like it has happened since the conception of the goddamn game...

[@tomjenrich4761]

“Karthus ult is badly designed because there is almost nothing enemies can do against it” Zeus:*sweats nervously*

[@The300Player]

I thought the same thing, if he thinks Karthus Ult is bad than he would have a heart attack seeing Zeus Ult.

[@tomjenrich4761]

@@The300Player imagine having 3 seconds to prepare

[@qaywsxedcrfvful]

zeus with refresher *leaves the room*

[@ratlinggull2223]

In Dota the means to heal yourself (salve/tango/wand) or get magic resist (raindrop) is much cheaper than League.

[@Delimon007]

@@tomjenrich4761 Was just about to say this. . . You got a whole ass 3 seconds to prepare. Do you know how many champs have shields, sustain, MR shields now? Do I need to talk about zhonyas as well? Bruh, it's one of the most underpowered ults in the game for what it does 😂 Most of his kit is actually on his Q, not his R. If something is going to kill you from karthus it's not going to be his E because it 100 to 0's his mana in 4-5 seconds, it's going to be the massive gate that reduces your MR then Q spam that kills you. His ult basically does jack of all in most scenarios.

[@stelyar6613]

Yi's Alpha Strike always reminds me of Fiora's old ultimate, which was removed for being unfair and uninteractive (among other reasons). Main differences from what I remember are that Fiora would proc on hits with it (which were arguably a lot weaker back then), but she at least had it locked to her ult with no cooldown resets/reductions on it.

[@yuidesu5625]

The main reason they deleted it was because she could stack Tiamats and deal >100% damage to everyone around the main target so anytime the enemies grouped she killed all of them except MAYBE the main target. Then they added moon boi and had to nerf him 7 times in a row...

[@markopusic8258]

@@yuidesu5625 7 times? I recall 10 which is even more ridiculous

[@CarlSW]

Yi does on-hits with his Q now btw :)

[@awesomefuzz4008]

Yi's Alpha Strike doesn't apply on-hits, except for when Rito decided it should definitely be able to, including his E.

[@Delimon007]

It procced hydra which soloed your entire team. It wasn't just deleted for no reason it LITERALLY had ZERO counterplay other than having a team mate near you and she first buys hydra so good luck with that. She also was basically a proxy inter that you could not stop no matter how much you killed her. Imagine singed but now singed does damage. That's how stupidly broken she was.

[@kamifoltek2345]

Recently i played neeko support versus a yi and everytime he alpha striked someone, that person came to me and i prepped the ulti safely, stunned him right after he got targetable again and then we easily rooted and killed him. Never felt better tbh since this ability is so garbage and unfun

[@teransis3410]

Same with Sylas. I love playing him and when mid game Yi tries to dive me, i heal up, stun him, ignite and i am the one who gets a kill :D

[@dcoolllx]

but cc counters every thing lol

[@The_White]

@@dcoolllx Except Gangplank. Because an orange should very obviously cleanse everything

[@alex2005z]

@@dcoolllx yes, but when yi comes out of alpha strike he cant dodge anything

[@AGuy-0751]

@@The_White airborne

[@Jan_Iedema]

I mean would morde still be morde if everything about him worked as intended

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

Ahh yes, the end boss of League

[@jinspence697]

They should change his ult to like a high DMG aoe circle around him and slows so he can actually utilise his passive

[@jinspence697]

@@raven5935 lol but any champ w mobility can get away so

[@joshuaa7266]

@@jinspence697 Just because someone can't chase well doesn't make them remotely easy to beat. You can't run in teamfights over dragon/baron.

[@jinspence697]

@@joshuaa7266 yeah but you'd be less likely to get kills I'm not saying that mord is bad in saying any champ w mobility could kite him or just get away

[@Dadidl]

My contender for a badly designed ability is Illaoi's E-Test of Spirit. It's not overpowered, just badly designed. Her passive spawns tentacles. Her Q slams a tentacle, her w makes spawned tentacles slam. Her E creates a spirit that mirrors damage to its owner. Like her passive, her E also makes tentacles spawn if the spirit is killed. One tentacle every five seconds (at level 1). That's four times faster than her passive. Like her W, her E also makes spawned tentacles slam. At highest level, her E can make tentacles slam faster than her w. If the E Spirit is hit with her ult, she spawns an extra tentacle. And of course, all of her tentacles created in her ult slam autonomously if she hit her e. But E is a slow, high-cooldown skillshot that gets blocked by minions. If she doesn't hit it, she most of the times can't do anything, not even the champions and classes she as a juggernaut should be strong against. Her e just holds too much power for all of her other abilities and is too easy to miss. Just a badly designed ability.

[@Tiagocf2]

YES, not to mention that her E puts tentacles randomly and sometimes it messes up with tentacle positioning and you end up with bad lane pressure. Even challengers like DirtyMobs doesn't have great accuracy with her E because it's just a bad projectile that basically holds the majority of her power. That's why sometimes i like to build her with divine sunderer so you can just spawn W and bonk people lol

[@Ghilannugs]

It's a cool idea, but like you said holds all her power. I'd be okay if they just removed everything about it except that she makes a clone that can be damaged. And then shift everything else to her other abilities.

[@ravenvictoria412]

Illaoi E gets too little power for what she needs to sacrifice on her other abilities. Oftentimes, when I play against her as a bruiser/skirmisher and the lane is about even I can punish her landing e... By turning around and killing her, because she has already hit me with her oh so powerful e, so now she has nothing but her weak q and w. Personally, I feel e should not be her entire gameplan, her other abilities should be more rewarding, but as of now, she relies on a bad ability to do anything because the others are somehow worse as standalone abilities.

[@mariojorge68]

It used to be much better designed in that fighting Illaoi lowered the duration of the spirit so you could try to commit to a fight or fake an engage to bait an ult which could work because the Illaoi didn't know if you were trying to all-in her or just hit-and-run. With that removed, there's no interaction. Either she's fed/counters you, in which case it's just free damage, or she isn't/doesn't and in which case she still loses the fight.

[@Ghilannugs]

@@ravenvictoria412 Yeah I think apart of her issue is also that her E IS super powerful, so her other abilities has to be weak. But then since her other abilities are so weak she can't actually utilize the power of her E so then she just sucks

[@MAMAJUGO]

Yi's alpha strike and Karthus' requiem are hardly surprising, they're DotA abilities without DotA counterplay

[@GranMaj]

Yep. I am surprise Karthus's ult doesn't get touched mechanically for so long.

[@달팽이-o1i]

DotA?

[@aarongalve183]

Honestly that’s the best way to put it. I played league for years but recently dipped my toes into dota2 and it surprised me when stuns and such are actually 5 seconds long. But then they have items like bkb that give Olaf ult as counterplay to very strong abilities. It’s that balance that made it clearly important to what items you build. B

[@123Juniiorr]

i am not sure if i agree, karthus ult is really easy to deal with, gangplank on the other hand can win fights

[@Taskuli12]

@@aarongalve183 More like Olaf ult on steroids spell immunity that only few abilities can bypass

[@midastheunwise2423]

5 Badly Designed Abilities for me would be (excluding ones in this video): Akshan W: The revive effect has too much variance and has the potential to completely swing a game. Pros voted against allowing it in both playoffs and worlds, and I expect next split we'll see its devastating effects in co-ordinated play if the champion is even remotely viable. Gwen W: If you're outside it you can't hurt her, and if you're inside it, she still out-trades you because of the bonus defenses. You cannot play around the ability besides waiting for it to end. Viego P: The possession mechanic is cool, but the huge heal and the long untargetability make it immensely powerful, to the point that one reset often means the teamfight is won. Zoe W: Another skill that adds too much variance due to the fact it drops from minions, meaning that some lanes can be won from good RNG alone. Yone E: A mini Zed ult that allows him to safely go on super deep dives with his Q and R movement. It can be punished, but good Yones won't cast it from a dangerous location.

[@sarfhfahsafas2029]

Its funny that literally all abilities here are on pretty new champs, expect yone and zoe very very recent releases. While most game studios get better at designing riot gets worse. Hows that even possible.

[@midastheunwise2423]

@@sarfhfahsafas2029 The original lead designer isn't around anymore, and he was the guy who made a mini-essay on anti-fun mechanics. I find it funny that for most of the game's lifespan, Yasuo was the champion I hated most. But in the last 2 years he's not even made my top 5 most hated champs.

[@nfzeta128]

@@midastheunwise2423 This. So much this. Basically it shows riot's design team has forgotten the basics of design and now everything is just a one up opportunity where it's just about making new and unique abilities, even if they break the flow and balance of the game.

[@bjap1563]

Reading about Gwen's (W), I remember Shen's Spirit Refuge(W). For Shen(W): If Offensive Revamp:Still blocks physical damage and in addition, absorbs percentage damage (5%,10%,15%,20%,25%) +(5% per 100 AP) total from enemy champion attacks and return as a blast AOE damage.Still triggers Ki Barrier after the skill duration. If Defensive:Normal effect of skill. And heal allies inside the AOE with(1%,2%,3%,4%,5%) +(1% per 100AP) of ther Maximum health at within the skills duration.

[@yigido915]

@@bjap1563 his old w was just a shield, and his new w just blocks attacks. What is this?

[@MarojeMiljan]

Since so many champs have dashes now my favourite ability to annoy them is Poppy W. I've heard so many times how "unfair it is", but I find it quite fun. It's also a niche support pick against dash supports like Rakan, Leona, Pyke etc

[@danielriberio1767]

is easier to use alistar

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Poppy is a quenn of punish, now if she blocked Master Y Q she would be must have.

[@gregpartridge7554]

As an ADC main, I support anything that opposes league's movement creep.

[@Heylon1313]

I think poppy W is very fair due to its high cooldown and the fact that you have to use it preemptively

[@5-Volt]

Lee Sin lands Q on Poppy. Poppy: Do it. Lee Sin: 😔

[@lucasnadamas9317]

I love how for fiora you basically didn't even critisise a single ability, you pointed out how completely ridiculous and how much of a joke that character is to balance design as a whole

[@shinji136]

He did criticize a single ability. You think her passive is not an ability somehow?

[@sz_b_zstechnix7523]

@@shinji136 that's the important word, "passive" i.e. it isn't activated by the player, it isn't their *ability*, it's their innate property. may be conditional, but aside from aphelios, and maybe yoric, there is no one on god's green earth with a passive, that could be considered an active ability.

[@shinji136]

@@sz_b_zstechnix7523 Except that it is "activated" by the player. The Fiora player needs to purposefully move around to be able to hit vitals, and the enemy can deny them through their own movement or the use of walls. Also the guy didn't specify "active" abilities in his original post, he just said "ability", which Fiora's passive is.

[@sz_b_zstechnix7523]

@@shinji136 they aren't exactly activating it by a button press, at most an attack press from the right angle, but what i mean is they aren't being given an input from anything aside from their passive condition procking. Yes, unless you actively see to hit the weakspots, you do pitiful damage....but you can go throught the game without purposefully aiming for those spots, and still have them there. If it was given, that the weakpoints show up when she activates an ability to mark someone for dueling, then yes, it is an ability, but as it stands, it's an inate mechanic, not a by choice activatable ability.

[@franconunez925]

Fiora is a pain that only toplaners can understand.

[@X-35173]

I had a funny moment yesterday when I was playing Eve. I see a low (~30-40%) health mord farming top and decide to pick him off. As I move in to proc my W, enemy Vi comes out and im like "welp, I'm dead" The mord ults me and basically prevents Vi from being able to touch me, giving me the kill I originally wanted in the first place. (Vi did kill me before I escaped but it still turned an effortless 1-0 into a 1-1)

[@devforfun5618]

it annoys me so much when a mordekaiser ults a character that would die 1v5, only for said character to run away after the ultimate expires, it happens a lot in Aram, Blitzcrank pulls someone, Mordekaiser saves said someone

[@snaggiz]

I’ve had Mordes repeatedly cost me games due to ulting someone he cannot fight alone, but that our team as a 5 can easily punish if he just stays with us. It’s pretty infuriating.

[@X-35173]

@@snaggiz I'll take the ghost dragon flying down mid any day of the week.

[@Miggus7362]

@@devforfun5618 or when he ults when someone is backdooring his nexus, preventing his team from ccing guy

[@Ridley_Prime]

I could write a paper on death realm. But the other huge part of it is that it separates you from your team as well. Morde has a presence, a scary aoe and big shield. He occupies and creates space for his team... until he R's. There's no information for either team or for either player in the death realm, and even the positional lights bug out and no one is where their lights were when it ends. It lets morde play like an idiot and no thought perma push in lane phase. He spends all his resources to kill someone in death realm, comes out, and has no CDs and has to Zhonyas. Such a weird ability.

[@suilles]

but there is also no point to gank him after level 6 since you gank then he ults one and the 2nd player stands there like uh ok right i guess il farm?

[@RoseColoredIris]

Idea for Morde ult: When he ults he doesn't steal your stats, it's just a fair 1v1, but if he kills you in death realm he then he gets your stats. Also remove QSS cleanse. Even if Morde doesn't kill you, one of my favorite things about Morde ult is that it takes someone out of the fight. If you are trying to get drake, you can ult the jungler. If there is a really fed hyper carry you can ult them and Zhonyas to take them out of the fight. If you get caught out by 3 people you can ult one and at least take someone with you. There is so much you can do with it.

[@paul9218]

You can still interact with towers during his R, so you can destroy tower after ulting the support

[@wainach9518]

He is already weak af

[@kirbo7184]

what i think it should be is this yeah, but the more people he kills inside the ult the death realm should change, like after 3 people are killed inside it actual terrain appears and he gets a small buff.

[@KagesakiAinz]

Well if you're that worried about an ability thats already gets countered by 3 items and a bunch of abilities, one day i was fed on mordekaiser, smth like 10/3, i went to a kogmaw that ws lik 3/7. I E Q him, he flashes it, then stops, press w and starts imitating a turret. Even with my R i still died to him. He right clicked on me i did the same + R and i got destroyed. Now imagine with all the items and spells that counters morde abilities and the champion is actually weak past the laning phase.

[@KagesakiAinz]

the only reason some morde are doing smth in your games (you in general) is because people dont know how to play vs him or what to build, and in some rare cases its just good matchups for morde and he snowballs of that.

[@omgodification]

One way I think Yone's Soul Unbound could be modified to be balanced is to have it be easy to interrupt. Have it so when Yone gets CC'd, the ability automatically gets canceled and Yone remains on the same spot instead of going all the way back to his soul. So, instead of teleporting back to the original location of his body, have his body instantly teleport back to him. That way, you can have some form of counterplay while still allowing Yone to play safe by recasting before getting CC'd. (edit) yikes, okay yone mains i get it, don't touch the E jeez

[@guggh5798]

Honestly i would love if the e ddint actually have a recast, like you HAVE to wait for your soul to get pulled back. I think this would make for a very interesting dinamic that lets yone being really strong without feeling so annoying to play cause of his safety.

[@Mirogniew]

also removing his literall cc immunity - tried to put him to sleep? he doesnt even have to time his e, just pressing it cancels it, thats why he is my permaban if i play zoe

[@Jeff1989Kayser]

For me as a sqishy supp most of the time its the Global Effect Radius of Soul Unbound. If i don't respect him - okay I have to die. But Yone just coming from one screen away and killing you? Well played.

[@santhoshdabbir395]

that is a great idea like trist jump or so i think

[@santhoshdabbir395]

@Anteater Entertainment u make it like it buffers it like trist jump, j4 q e and such if you can time it perfectly you can cancel the cc ( even more as he comletely cancels it than other i said above who gets the cc but at a distance) that makes up for more skill expression than just making it brain dead

[@greyser6007]

I love morde's new ultimate even though it's basically a 50/50 depending if the enemy spends the 1300g but ALL I ask for is for the ult to give true sight while being activated so that it wouldn't cancel if someone goes into a bush.

[@omicron4363]

It should true sight throughout the cast and duration of Death Realm, I dont want to have Gwen just leap over a wall and then force me to trudge over said wall (if it even is possible to do so based on where you ult)

[@alexandrereynaud7884]

I would like to add it should erase the bushes cause you know, DEATH realm ^^

[@BoopaKing]

@@raven5935 I've read this thread multiple times now and I am severely confused as to which "bomb" you're talking about. And there's pretty much nothing that follows into the death realm, not even auto attacks do that for some reason. The only thing I've found that follows into the death realm is Akali's W.

[@cocosolis8240]

I think in smite, tsukuyomi's ultimate "piercing moonlight" is a way better take on an ability like alpha strike. If nothing else, for the fact that you get to see where tsukuyomi is the entire time he's using it, like idk if its just my eyes, but I can not tell which target yi is on while using alpha strike 70% of the time

[@Kalanathan]

I immediately drew parallels to Alpha Strike when they announced Tsuku. I even think that without Aegis available, it is just as annoying to deal with personally

[@cocosolis8240]

@@Kalanathan it is kinda dependent on what character you are when tsukuyomi ults you, cuz like you could hit him with a root or stun or something afterwards for an easy follow up. Not yi though

[@coffeecheol]

Sadly I think it's just your eyes here, the other hits on alpha dont matter when you're talking about his position, only the first hit matters, because the first unit hit by alpha strike is the unit hes going to be behind when he comes out

[@gabrielantunez7642]

Helps that even tho it's a joke to hit he has to aim the attack instead of a big circle like alpha strike

[@stefanotagliaferri7362]

smite is one of the most unbalanced mobas that I have ever played. might be different now but I played quite a lot during 2015 -16

[@kurooaisu]

My top five badly designed abilities (other than the ones in this video): 1. Tryndamere's ult. He just doesn't die. 2. Gwen's W. A mini Xin Zhao ultimate, nuff said. 3. Yone's E. Combined with his whole kit it's just crazy. 4. Vladimir's W. More annoying than Fizz. On a manaless champion, even. 5. Nautilus Q. The hitbox.

[@kelving420]

On nautilus Q the hitbox's width, length, AND speed make it so unfair for a move that pulls you, makes him dash forward and CC with his _auto attack_ instantly. Most other hooks have caveats to them, like being slower (Thresh) having to channel (pyke), being thinner (Blitz, even though it doesn't feel like it), having to keep your spacing between the enemy (Kled and Zac) and etc.

[@Rexasblast]

Agreed although I don't really care about naut's hook personally. But tryn ult is so bs. Why don't they reduce it's duration at early levels and increase it to 5 at max rank? As it is now, it's the cornerstone of his kit yet tryn players max it last.

[@lowceyn2875]

Dude you are overrating Vlad W right now. It's not a blink, he takes 2 autos by only activating it, his whole kit is small range, his cooldown is obnoxious, do almost no damage unless you R. Without his W he is basically a super minion

[@benamende5897]

@@lowceyn2875 very true

[@gregpartridge7554]

Agreed on the first 3. The nautilus hitbox isn't a core aspect of the ability, so I would argue that since it could be adjusted without fundamentally changing the ability, it doesn't mean the ability is badly designed. Vlad W I have no issue with, it's on a long cooldown and you don't do very much damage while pooled.

[@MattJDave]

A fun way to remake Karthus's Requiem would be to make it have a similar passive to Kayn's ult: You can use Requiem on all enemy champions in theory, but you need to have damaged them recently. Reduce the channel time a little, give it more damage, and make it only target the champs you've recently damaged.

[@WorldLie]

Mordekaiser is The 2nd best Ganking ult in the entire game just after nocturns. If morde jungle ganks you and he has ult its gg for you, even if u kite him in his ult get ready when it ends because he didnt let u get to your tower and his teammates are waiting outside to burst u down. Predator Mordekaiser sprinting across the screen is truely terrifying.

[@witenn]

2 Problems, lack of mobilty and short range

[@traine4126]

@@witenn predator negates all of his weakness

[@juanchavez777]

@@traine4126 *laughs in trundle ult*

[@alex2005z]

If you can even get to a situation where the tower isnt in ult range

[@JustAJauneArc]

Not true. Vex's ult to gank with legit makes her an AP Nocturne, I just never see anyone land it

[@Szergej33]

Remember when the old Fiora ulti was basically an Alpha Strike, but with more damage? I don't think that was much more balanced either :D

[@Mirogniew]

at least it was her ultimate and she wasnt using it every 2 sec

[@PKFl4sh]

It also did less damage when hitting multiple targets.

[@ashenguard_1437]

also it was removed XD

[@ladrok97]

It was easy to counter with thornmail. I saw at least one fiora to die because of using ult :D

[@Mirogniew]

@@ladrok97 Also it counted as usin aa, so she was completly countered by jax

[@gibarel]

Yummi should take a percentage of damage from the attacked ally, so then when would need to juggle who she's with

[@Peter-zg3em]

The character would be entirely unplayable unless you made it negligible

[@devforfun5618]

@@Peter-zg3em not really, she just would have to leave to heal herself from time to time, which would make her more fair, that damage could also me non lethal, so it would only matter when the character she is attached to dies

[@lemonpay7747]

I think they need to work on his passive, abilityes or autoattacks so she have more incentive to be out and autoattack and make plays/things rather than eating.

[@liveac3694]

No. Complete removal of the champ is the only option.

[@Peter-zg3em]

@@devforfun5618 you can't just leave someone when you're yumi guy. not while you're taking damage. you just die or instantly become the least effective, least satisfying character in the game. they're not in the business of putting out reworks that make characters unplayable.

[@biggiecheese2004]

Everyone: Agreeing with Vars Me: "Holy shit that Jayce is cracked"

[@Kyezie131]

Bro I literally said the same thing while I was watching lmfao

[@AgentTera]

As someone who has played a ludicrous amount of Mordekaiser, the idea of his ultimate being polarizing is an understatement. On one hand, it's got to be one of the COOLEST abilities in the entire game. I'm sorry, you said this was a team game? No, no it's not. It's a 1v1 deathmatch now, and you're stuck in here with ME. But that's not how it goes. Death realm is either ridiculously good, or completely flat useless. And when it's useless, it feels SO BAD. Because of how simple and..juggernaut-y(?) he is, once you take his ult he falls very flat in a lot of scenarios. All of this to say, that while I absolutely adore death realm as a concept, I would honestly take a different ultimate. There's just no way that would fix it to make it fair and fun for everyone involved, and if that means I'd have to have a less cool but much more useable ult I'd take it. Because as cool as it is, it can't be cool if it doesn't work. Which if the enemy team has any semblance of sentience, it probably won't.

[@123near123]

Agree 100%. I really liked his ghost ultimate better. I understand his old kit was quite overloaded, but this rework completely dumbed down the champ with a super linear kit that dont feel quite as fun for me.

[@parayeet3394]

Ya, it feels so bad when you take someone to the realm of death and they get out cuz they have a cool bandana or have half the map to walk around in your r, I almost 1 trick him but I'm forced to play other Champs even if I do t want to

[@manofthunderbolts6525]

I feel like his ult could be balanced if it was sorta like a Camille R but with a bigger arena where projectiles can go through I still agree with your post tho. He's an amazing champ in terms of visuals, lore and design but until they hotfix his R he will never be as good as other juggernauts. His kit is garbage and full of dodgeable skillshots, his itemization sucks, many people can duel him late game and he's nowhere near as tanky as the other juggernauts. As someone who plays him I'd gladly give up his R if it meant he could become a less dogshit champ.

[@flamelife6837]

Honestly his old ult let him have ghost dragons and I would be fully happy to see him get that back in a little bit of a modified form like an ability he can cast after a certain amount of time of a dead dragon from either team killing it even if it requires being nearby. Its not even bad cause it increases how strong he is at split pushing.

[@Underworlder5]

@@flamelife6837 people always talk about ghost dragon. as someone who plays ARAM, i drew a lot of satisfaction from ghost yi

[@Flare3500]

Master Yi's Alpha Strike in beta was his ultimate because they based him off Yurnero/Juggernaut from DotA who would slash you 18 times while he remained invulnerable while slashing you

[@Flare3500]

@@Chankonabebot which it was , they really like Yurnero/Juggernaut from DotA early years of League lots of just copying DotA , around Yasuo Zed release is when they actually try and be different

[@thatrandomguy7944]

I just love when that golden blade lady who can dashy dash your whole screen and when you try to damage her she blocks 50 percent of your damage.Some more dashes later and you die and she lives with 1 hp but recovers it all with some basicaly 0 cooldown Q

[@CoolGuy-pz5et]

her e range is like half of blitz and nauts hook, and in addition she goes to you rather than you being pulled to them or meeting halfway

[@TheLightBringer365]

@@CoolGuy-pz5et her e range can be like 3 blitz q's because u can use e1, than dash t front line enemy minion, than backline enemy minion, and use e2, and it has half a lane of range...

[@TheLightBringer365]

yeah and the fact that on lvl 1 when aa is the most important thing in fights, she gets like 60% attack speed, an entire item worth, because she... last hit the cs.. using an ability that resets on kill, making her a scaling duelist that is also op in lvl 1 and 2 engages

[@CoolGuy-pz5et]

@@TheLightBringer365 lmao i think ur talking about a different champ bro, golden blade lady is leona

[@franckzz4409]

@@CoolGuy-pz5et Nah bro he's talking about Irelia, Leona can't recover HP with her Q and only has 1 dash, the damage block was Irelia's W

[@Raientai]

Yasuo’s wind wall is the ability that makes me lose my mind. It should either block basic attacks or abilities but not both. Especially at max rank it’s too safe, and the fact that is spawns inside him means I’ve had games where he W’s in the wrong direction but still blocks what’s being thrown at him. And if he does miss he can probably insta-dash to reposition himself. It’s bs

[@Sayyata]

One time I was playing shen vs yasuo. I almost kill him but he used his w when I hit my e on him. My "spiritual" sword doesn't come with me because of the windwall (was the clasic shen combo E then Q to cross him with the sword), and I didn't have enough damage to kill him without the bonus damage of shen Q.

[@santhoshdabbir395]

@Sirag El Sheikh and the thing is it lasts for so long that you cannot just ignore it for say like a sec or 2 damge someone else or reposition no you get hit by what they throw at you but not what you through at them and its lasts so fk long. it would be somewhat balanced if it blocked damge and all shots from both the sides say like kindred ult.

[@wrex4699]

I think it's conceptually ok, but the fact it also blocks basics as well as lasts for so long is what makes it a pain. They should make it so if Yasuo walks through the wind wall it disappears, would add for more skillful interactions

[@Raientai]

@@santhoshdabbir395 Riot avoids letting players on the same team interact with each other cuz since you can’t damage your teammate no matter your champion it’s way too easy to grief. Imagine a Yasuo whose windwall could block Ashe’s autos or arrows and then he purposefully blocks her in combat cuz he’s a shit. Think old Tahm W where you could swallow allies but at least it was only one and it was short, so harder to grief with

[@santhoshdabbir395]

@@Raientai true it was just an idea how make windwall a little bareable to play agaist that is just a shit ability overall

[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

To make yuumi more "interactive" with the enemy, his abilities when she's dismounted should be better than the mounted ones. For example turn yuumi's Q into a hard CC if she's not in her W. Make yuumi's E don't consume 15% of her max mana and make it more similar to soraka's W, make her decide which ally she wants to heal when she's out. R could be stronger in damage or make it stun instead of root if 4 pages are hitted when she's dismounted (all the pages should be hitted dismounted). And W is a dash so you actually can't make it better.

[@vixeythevixen]

lol this would only make her very broken, like a lulu but overpowered and untargetable when she wants

[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

@@vixeythevixen you could make an internal cooldown until her spell effects change for the strong ones. That way she has to decide more when to mount.

[@chompchompmaster2885]

Dogshit idea

[@somo4227]

​@@vixeythevixenyes but then you can take some power buget away from her W

[@fidelalvarez6719]

I personally agree with untargetable abilities. It's so frustrating dealing with a yi Q or a fizz E with little to no outplay potential. It isn't healthy for the game and should at least include some risk of outplay. Yone E is pretty busted but if used poorly he can still get bursted and die.

[@FireDarkNinja]

Dunno what you think about this concept but I personally believe that untargetable abilities should be far more skill based making Yi have to aim his Q dashes and making Fizz e have incredibly short untargetability. Dunno about you but adding skill and difficulty to untargetability not only makes it more fair but more entertaining and awesome. If fizz e was hard to dodge an ability with because of the small window imagine the fucking awesome highlights of people narrowly dodging things with that would make really cool clips and make it feel awesome to play as when you get good at it and still feel decent to play against because there is counter play to the ability as it’s only a short window. Same with Yi if you had to aim his Q there would be some epic moments where Yi bursts down targets aiming his dashes and watching him do some really interesting movement heck we could even see him get played at pro level if he had something like that. Keep the untargetability but add skill and difficulty to it which also makes it so that you can counter it. Removes power, adds power but also adds a cool factor. Personally I’d love to see it

[@troyjohnson2137]

yi q has more counterplay potential than yi has meaningful options if you just learn the timing. fizz e though? yeah, that one's bull

[@GlocKCord]

@@FireDarkNinja or then Fizz's E could have some delay like Shaco's ultimate. But I agree with you that if you just make it harder to utilize the untargetable ability they're fine and more enjoyable.

[@Lucky79_]

I Think Fizz's E is much worse than Yi's Q, you dont need to auto attack to have a short cooldown on it, Plus' Yi's Q attaches to the opponent and you can get baited very easily, For instance, if Yi wants to dodge a stun he has to go into your face whixh might reault into instant death, Fizz just uses it and bounces away too

[@vph6823]

Fizz needed E for his mobility and any other skill replacing his E would make him useless

[@inq.zeketer1964]

In deactivated moba Dawngate there was a shaper (champion) called Mina, who implemented the same mechanic as Yuumi W few years earlier. She took 40% damage her host did, but on leaving she would dash, shield herself, damage and fear surrounding enemies. As far as I remember, I think this was somewhat healthier approach to constructing untargetable champion.

[@weaponizedautism3269]

Really? I don't remember her at all All i remember is fucking everyone up with Voluc jungle Dude got nerfed 4 times and was still broken beyond any belief 😂

[@shanecoffing]

Not a top 5 but just 2. 1 is sivir passive. It's worthless. No one talks about this champ but she needs a rework. She provided NOTHING that other ADC'S do better. Her passive is one of the most useless in the game, granting her a small move speed buff on hit when her attack range is as low as Lucians. 2 is corki passive. Locking that much power behind his special package is absurd and makes him either EXTREMELY STRONG or mediocre at best without it.

[@timmynordin2290]

I like sivirs passive, i use it so i don't have to face check bushes with my Q. If someones in the bush i get my passive

[@Enderspider]

I think sivir is a fine champion, she does only so much, but she's good at what she does: instaclearing waves, playing the neutral game and facilitating engages for her team with her ult. As for her passive, it's nice quality of life to make up for her short range and it makes sesnse in her kit I kinda agree with corki, but the problem with corki is more that his actual ult is so unimpactful so they basically had to give him the package to give him a "wow"-moment

[@puppetmaskerr]

Most sivir just play lethality one shot sivir

[@lowceyn2875]

@@puppetmaskerr How can you play on hit or crit sivir with no range basically, even Xayah with same range is much better

[@puppetmaskerr]

@@lowceyn2875 you build eclipse and shit and one shot squishies

[@mr.paperbag771]

Irelia's Q is badly designed and here's why: - It has a scaling heal that is a flat percentage of your current AD. - It also triggers on hit effects such as lifesteal. - It cooldown gets refunded on a kill. - It's a dash. - It progs her strong passive. It's not that any one of these point make it badly designed, it's the combination of these. She literally has a double heal on an ability with no cooldown and it progs her passive and heals her to full with every minion wave. Meaning that because of this singular ability, and how much synergy it has, you need to very careful when laning against her or she just blows up. Meanwhile she has the easiest lane ever as she can clear the whole wave and heal all the damage you are trading with her. It's not that strong level 1 but after she gets two long swords the fun begins. In my opinion they just need to remove the scaling flat AD percentage heal from her Q and it's fine.

[@dtm2088]

I always like to think that whenever she gets vamiric scepter the lane is over.

[@crusader8102]

saying her q has no cooldown is a massive stretch cause it's only true if you finish someone off with it or have them marked with your e or r and her cooldown is pretty long

[@mr.paperbag771]

@@crusader8102 It pretty much doesn't have a cooldown as long as she farms with it, which one of the arguments I use as the ability makes her farming risk free.

[@devforfun5618]

every shield or heal that scales with ad is bad design, jax ultimate is only balanced because the armor scales with ad and the mr scales with ap, giving you protection against everything by building more damage is bullshit, and the reason i hate riven so much

[@schlobblewobble4520]

@@mr.paperbag771 It's probably one of the rather riskier ways of farming. It makes last hitting and farming under tower much easier, but she is not the only champ for whom that occurs. On the other hand her Qs are easily punished, especially if you have a way to burst her when dashing forward and either cc her or have a disengage. What makes her so disgusting to deal with is her stick potential once she has kill pressure on you. But her E and W have pretty long cds and without her E she won't do shit early if you aren't a Kayle, Lux or Ziggs and let her get onto you with passive stacks. So you get run down as a mage without reliable hard cc and as an adc because it's hard to burst her 100 to 0 or poke her safely. But then again you hard win with Juggernauts and are even with bruisers, fighters, skirmishers, tanks and assassins. She can be really obnoxious, but she is an all or nothing champ that can rarely disengage and has to position very aggressively when using her main ability, which makes her vulnerable to ganks and very hard to play in a losing matchup or from behind.

[@chrs-wltrs]

14:10 this is actually a major flaw with Mordekaiser's *visual* design. Despite the fact that Mordekaiser's lore has fuck-all to do with the Shadow Isles, he is still designed with the black and teal that the region is known for, instead of the black and red of Noxus, which is a little funny considering he basically founded the empire.

[@ArakishiTokugawa]

Yummi would need something like this: Yuumi takes x% of the damage the target takes and reduces the damage the ally takes by the same amount. Karthus might be fixed by adding scaling to his damage based on distance

[@grass5697]

i think karthus skill activation should go faster based on distance

[@BoopaKing]

@@grass5697 Not that I've noticed. Especially not for Requiem.

[@grass5697]

​@@BoopaKing No, I meant his ability skill activation should go faster based on distance except for his ult, because that would be too op without counter play. I didn't notice my bad grammar, sorry it's not my 1st language

[@namishusband818]

Better yet, Yuumi should be knocked-off her W target if they get hard cc'd.

[@psalmyyvan]

Soraka's passive not badly designed but badly 'placed'. It should've been just her W's passive since it's the only ability that benefits from that. She should have a different passive.

[@TOKYO_SLIME]

Soraka’s new passive: takes 10% more damage from all sources but has increased HP regen.

[@vegassmb1]

She should be removed from the game tbh

[@sumgyeojin]

@@vegassmb1 please

[@alainey]

@@vegassmb1 yikes

[@gregpartridge7554]

@@TOKYO_SLIME Perhaps health regen scaling with missing health

[@evanluck1229]

The thumbnail literally has Yummi in it and I couldn't agree more

[@garabedderderian6680]

Personally, I couldn't give a better example - Kayn's E. It's stunning how it literally has 4 seconds cd with 2 items and cdr boots (assasin form). It's ludicrously stupid - you need to watch the walls for a ball which you will sometimes miss if he is with the Nightbringer skin, you can't dodge his w properly because his wall movement + insta w is luck based and overall he is insanely frustrating to deal with. I wish you have seen this champ with predator - I was about to lose it :)

[@tomwanders6022]

I haven’t had a moment yet where his e was hard to see for me.

[@kadalix]

i mentioned this in another comment but while i do agree kayn E is dumb as fuck (i have personally played kayn through all his buffs and they really need to revert some of them after the item rework) kayn E isn't the problem; it's how it enables his other abilities walking through walls isn't fundamentally a broken ability; it's the walking through walls ALONGSIDE the 5 billion damage explosion AND the 2.5 second invulnerability imagine a tank with kayn E, still very good but not as broken because tanks work better as a frontline rather than a flank i could see a juggernaut having kayn E (without the movement speed buff) and them still being not as good bc they can still get kited tl;dr shadow assassin kayn is dumb bc assassin go through walls. going through walls not inherently bad, only super bad when homing nuke goes through walls

[@fitmotheyap]

@@tomwanders6022 I think it's rather a bug,sometimes his E doesn't show like at all and he can W while invisible inside wall and damage you

[@osyrisking5437]

@@kadalix i could see a juggernaut having kayn E (without the movement speed "buff) and them still being not as good bc they can still get kited" Like Rhaast? People forget if you pick kayn and itemize for an actual assassin build for SA you not only dont have a passive for the beginning of the game but are basically useless.

[@wrex4699]

Kayn's E? His ultimate is what grinds my gears imo. 3 second point and click invulnerability, which is also point and click death for the enemy adc.

[@nir4s63]

Akshan's W have more words than Nasus entire kit or the fact that his W could've been split into couple champs. I miss simpler new champions like Sett.

[@lolaandjoe123]

Shyvana has more text in her kit than both. Please stop repeating these dogshit reddit takes. More or less words in a kit has no meaning. Aphelios E has 0 words! Super balanced champ, never problematic.

[@Craixis]

@@lolaandjoe123 Shyvana's kit has around 520~ words in it, Akshan's kit has over 650 words BEFORE the ultimate, and around 800~ when including everything. Nasus's kit has around 210~, so Akshan beats both of them combined.

[@Junee1]

“Master Yi’s Q used to be his ult” *flashback to old Fiora’s ult* Well, at least it isn’t in the game anymore “The next champion is Fiora” …

[@IDirtyMangoI]

Just wanna say a 3 item Kog is so funny when Mord ults you. As long as you have LS you just eat his face.

[@BartixShieldsmen]

I personally believe that one of the worst offenders for badly designed abilities is Yasuo Windwall, the biggest reason being that it just doesn't fit the champ design. When you look at Yasuo you see a hyper mobile assasin/carry out samurai. He hits like a truck and is nearly impossible to lock down but IF you hit him with something he will feel it. So now let's give him a DEFENSIVE ability that can lock out and area that's stronger than a champion who's design is literally that he has a shield to protect his team. He puts down some wind that blocks ALL ranged damage and covers a full lane at max rank on a edgelord solo carry assasin, it just doesn't fit the design for me that he has such a strong defensive team ability when his whole design is this lone wander samurai assasin, genuinely if he got like a parry for .5 seconds or had an untargetability stance like Jax it'd be better even if it was stronger for him since atleast it would fit the champ identity, instead of "oh yeah watch out for the edgelord weeb samurai he can protect his whole team including the shield guy and won't get stunned". Yes I main Braum how could you tell?

[@viiperzz5259]

Hes only impossible to lock down on lane, but if he didnt have it in river he would be so much weaker, his E has no range so he cant gap close so even if he had a jax parry he would still lose. His windwall is the only thing that stops him getting kited the shit out of in fight anywhere but on lanes.

[@pflaumi123]

Not to mention that it is also so thick, if he is standing in it you literally cannot hit him. If it would be 1 unit, there would at least be a clear distinktion if you are in front or behind it.

[@BartixShieldsmen]

@@viiperzz5259 and that's fine, yeah he's situationally the most mobile champ in the game but that's his identity, he out maneuvers you in a fight while wearing you down with crits, but then to offset his lack of mobility outside of lane or a 5 v 5 he has an ability that just doesn't follow the same ideas as the rest of his kit, an immobile ranged damage negation. Regardless of how he needs it to help deal with ranged champs it just doesn't fit. Putting this ability on a tank or even an enchanter yeah sure makes sense, but Yasuo? Genuinely speaking would prefer if he had a malph ult or Camille E instead, even if they're stronger atleast they'd fit the idea of him being a squishy high speed, high tempo damage carry

[@viiperzz5259]

@@BartixShieldsmen even if he had a malph e or camille e, he doesnt have the sustain to be able dive into teams and live long enough. And the windwall kinda fits his lore that he keeps pushing forwards, even against what he would lose against. There are definately better abilities that could be used in his kit, but it would hard to find a balanced one

[@viiperzz5259]

@@BartixShieldsmen I didnt mean sustain i meant tankiness btw, if he dives in like malph or camille he has no armour so he would die too quickly

[@CodaCoda9]

I have a hard time knocking harthus R when that ability has been in every moba I’ve played. Dota, hon, and smite all have that ability. It’s not the most interactive but it’s strength lies in map awareness early to finish off low health enemies. Which is great. The real reason it’s busted is karthus can cast it after he is dead. So even if you team focuses him to avoid the massive team damage he can still get it off. That means that no matter what he can do a huge portion of damage to your team during a fight.

[@oniuserjh]

back in Dawngate, there was a hero named Mina, she was just like yuumi in that she was an enchanter that jumped into the body of her allies, however *she took damage if her host did* and was much more aggressive in her playstyle. her hard cc required her to jump out of her host and into the enemy team to fear them and her only other way only other way of providing a cc, a slow, was to hit her q single target skillshot q while also attached to a tank, which was far from ideal

[@the_last_ballad]

I would like to point out that Soraka's R always had the ability to remove GW, but it was removed when they tried to rebalance GW. Changes that were reverted, but Soraka's R wasn't for quite a while despite the fact that GW was in the state that caused her to have it initially. What it does not do is make them temporarily immune to GW or stop Champs from reapplying it, which is important because most ways of applying GW are persistent(like Varus e or ignite) or able to be refreshed constantly(Executioners, Orb, or thornmail). This means that unless the fight is over, they are disengaging, or the sources of GW are dead(all siuations where GW would wear off anyway), the only heal the removal of GW affects will be the R itself. Which, it's an ultimate ability that only heals, on a champ that pretty much only heals(literally half her kit is dedicated to healing, being w,R, and 1/2 of q, which is 2.5/5). It might be annoying but she doesn't do a threatening amount of damage, and her cc relies on allies cc to avoid people just walking it off, so her entire presence as a champ is reduced by 40% off something anyone can buy and can be up 100% of the time in fights. I'm not arguing that Wish is a well designed ability, just pointing out that Soraka needed the GW removal back when the only sources of it was ignite, Mormelicon(at the below 40% iteration no less) and a handful of abilities that happened to apply it. If it was deemed then she needed it, now that every tank, physical damage dealer, and magic damage dealer(which together makes up literally the entire cast of LOL) can buy it and keep it up constantly... she definitely does. And in a fight, it'll only affect her R unless she gets really lucky and can sneak in a w before it's reapplied(and there is a .5 second cast time on all of her abilities)

[@gabrieldossantos1116]

What bothers me more is that nothing on Yi's kit sells the idea of ancient samurai master. All his abilities are just steroids to his Q. Double auto that lowers the cooldown, attack speed, heal and insane damage reduction all to buy him more time to get his Q again and again. I mean it's a massive AOE damage that makes him invulnerable AND has low cooldown, how does that make any sense?

[@Carpatouille]

If you don't get resets and face a tanky comp, you'll see if around 6-10s of cd at best with a few hits feels low cd Also W reduction is like 35% reduction only at rank 1 and unless you reach 30+ minutes you don't tank anything because most builds include healing reduction, making your massive (lol) 100hp back halved to 50 because timing it a low health isn't always possible, most of the time W only serves as an early AA reset with 30s cd So yeah it makes sense because he needs it, otherwise he would just be useless and even then there's a reason why you don't see him in high elo, you would need to completely rework the champion to get rid of this ability

[@devforfun5618]

i think they should remake his passive, instead of simply attacking more, it should require him to stop attacking, so his first strike hits twice, then he has to stop attacking, use alpha strike to catch up, hits twice, uses W to heal and tank damage, then hits twice again, and his ultimate removing slows would allow him to enter and leave combat in order to activate the passive, he would feel more like a samurai waiting for the perfect time to strike current master just keeps attacking like an idiot because every attack reduces the cooldown of everything

[@potatomoncher2074]

​@@Carpatouille alright time to correct you real quick on the W At it rank 1 it has 60% damage reduction and heals 120 hp which increases to up to 240 based on your missing health.

[@Carpatouille]

@@potatomoncher2074 I stand corrected, I think it's Warwick's E that has around 35% damage reduction Though even at 60% I think it's fair considering the 28s cd with no ways to reduce it outside items for most of the game

[@kadalix]

@@devforfun5618 wait no that's actually really smart because he actually does think and fight like that in the lore

[@immagoingbacktobed1742]

I would argue that Fiora's Riposte is a far more unhealthy ability than duelists dance. True, in a fight you need to predict when your opponent is going to use an ability that allows it's full potential, but without that you still get to slowed and crippled them while becoming immune to all non-turret damage.

[@Ynwell_theslaaneshi]

I agree, many Toplaners’ only cc has a windup (aatrox, mordekaiser, Darius, we could take sett too, if you count him running towards you and minions) it’s just an easy way to win any 1v1, and not like it has any counterpart, you can’t move, sure, but she also doesn’t get hurt from any side, she has a high cooldown, but she’ll kill you before if she made it to the stun part, or she could just wait, it isn’t like she has more 1v1 power than most of the cast, does she?

[@jaishkhan7442]

Seriously Fiora is just so fucking annoying Lunge and Riposte are so annoying to deal with if you don't have extremely high sustain

[@MrDracosaur]

I was going to mention this as well. Plainly, it is a crutch that enables Fiora to duel/fight as well as she does. And honestly that's fine, crutches are fine. They're just tools to outplay. Flash is a crutch, but it enables a lot more dynamic gameplay and outplays than it does inhibit them. Fiora's Riposte however, is a crutch that has a crutch. Damage immunity and a stun is quite overpowered, but its conditional so okay I guess. But then the attack speed cripple and movement speed slow just rewards poor use of the ability too much. Like wow do you want to be stabbed in your dominant hand or your non-dominant hand.

[@chaosbeing_lol]

I mean. There's one ability that can do up to 80% max health true damages while giving movespeed like crazy and a shield afterwards. Her Riposte only stuns if you cc'd her. But it does make her invincible yeah. But abilities similar to those exists already. Jax's E makes him invulnerable to autos, and stuns anyways afterwards. Sett's W makes him have a new health bar (so basically ignore a huge amount of any damages taken for a short period) while slamming everyone with a huge amount of true damage. So imo, yeah Riposte is an OP ability and is kinda cringe overall. But her ult, combined with her Q and passive, can just make you instantly die and there's very little counterplay. You cant run, she outrun you. You can stun her, SHE stuns you. You cant kill her, she outheal you. I guess the only real counterplay is being a Yasuo/Riven/Irelia and use your million dashes to prevent her from hitting your vitals.

[@shinji136]

You can literally sidestep riposte with ease just with tier 1 boots.

[@walvens3080]

Here's my worst five: Yone passive Yone Q Yone W Yone E Yone R

[@Zigzf]

I'm starting to see a pattern here...

[@HereTakeAFlower]

@@Zigzf the pattern is they are all obnoxious.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

14:35 There're quite a few drawbacks to having an auto-lock on everyone on the map: - It takes a really long time for his ult to deal any significant damage. (Roughly 25+ minutes even when playing dark harvest.) - You have to pay constant attention to the *whole* map, which only Karthus mains or high elo players do. - His ultimate has a massive cooldown to compensate for this "target instalock". - His ultimate can be dodged by many abilities and items. (Ok, those abilities and items can dodge any abilities in the game, but I'm just saying it's not a 100% hit-rate just by pressing R.) - His ultimate has a massive channel time of 3 seconds. If he's not in passive and/or is in vision, that's a really long time to either kill him or just interrupt him. - If he gets interrupted, his ult goes on full cooldown and doesn't have its cooldown reduced at all. - He had no mobility at all or range to compensate for this global ability, just like Taric. After all that, I still feel like it's a balanced ability. Karthus is kinda like Xerath in a way: weak all game, but a monster late-game if you let him scale. While Xerath is a late-game monster at mid/long range, Karthus is a global monster.

[@Mythodyn]

Bruh. His ability has no counterplay. It's bad.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

@@Mythodyn No counterplay? It's just a point and click ult like many others in the game 🤷‍♂️. Excluding Stopwatch/Hourglass, many champs can dodge it/survive it easily: Shaco's R, Fiora's W, Kindred's R, Trynd's R, Alistar's R, Garen's W, etc. Do you know what actually has no counterplay? A god Xerath player like Zwag. When you're so good at aiming that you're literally better than any script that exists.

[@Mythodyn]

@@louisrobitaille5810 "There totally is counterplay. Just be one of these specific champions idiot." And even in your terrible defence, if I'm jungle Shaco and I'm almost dead after taking my red I'm just supposed to waste my ult because some wanker pressed r while sitting in his fountain? And the difference between Karthus and Xerath is one takes skill to do that, the other does not. You're a salty little Karthus main that feels called out. Good for you, cope harder.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

@@Mythodyn I'm a Xerath one-trick lmao, I'm garbage at Karthus 😂. I literally never buy Zhonya's because I never need it against Karthus 😂. It's kinda the reason why I don't get why so many people complain about him being such a problem... Just never get low lol. Also you can buy Zhonyas or stopwatch if you struggle so much against him 🤷‍♂️.

[@anormaluser5750]

Something they could do with the Mordekaiser R (if they remove the 10% stats thing) is that he can choose to stay out of boundaries or get inside of it, but the enemy cannot, then he can 1v1 someone he thinks he can beat, or just stay out of it if the enemy is too fed and keep both out of the fight for a while. I think it would make it more useful in a lot of cases, without being too OP.

[@Tak3n82]

So yeah, I've mained Mordekaiser since the start of my league career, and his ult just gets countered by everything, illaoi, ornn, camille, Warwick, or when u get stunned while casting it, or doing it on clones , just a lot of examples to go through. And his ult cd isn't that short, and doesn't get lower when u ult a clone or something. You just lose it. And ofc death realm being too big is just another problem

[@maxlemaguer8559]

Morde R counters Illaoi/teemo tho... since the tentacles don't follow.

[@kadenli4617]

Your champ is broken he doesn't even gain stats like Jax nasus or renkton he steals them with is twice the value

[@Tak3n82]

@@maxlemaguer8559 if you time it correctly, you can cancel morde's ult when you ult with illaoi, but with teemo yeah... morde wins

[@Tak3n82]

@@kadenli4617 have you ever went against a full build samira when you're a full build morde? If not then you know he's not busted, in fact he's super weak

[@Tak3n82]

@minhhoanglazy as I replied to the guy above, if Morde's R animation is being casted, you can ult as illaoi and cancel morde's ult, and your ult ( illaoi ) will activate normally

[@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897]

Vars said he reads manga in Live chat and loves SoL manga Get him a ticket to K/DA's Gragas premier Our boy deserves the reward (Also Jigokuraku mangaka is releasing the furst chapter of Ayashimon on the 15th, so heads up for those interested in that tid-bit)

[@ioiwut4874]

LOL "if it wasn't evident by the thumbnail" dude i didn't even look at the thumbnail. no joke, i saw VARS new upload and insta-clicked

[@callmeandoru2627]

One thing I suggest Riot does with alpha strike is to clearly indicate which target Yi chooses. The annoyance I have against this ability is not knowing where he will be to use countermeasures.

[@tsuki_lou]

Another problem of Yi's Alpha Strike is its terrible visual clarity. On a 5v5 it's too difficult to spot who Yi targetted with his Q and so almost impossible to control him right at the end of his invulnerability (except for instant controls which are rare).

[@tobidobidu1129]

Fioras W also deserves a spot on the list. I am fine that she becomes invulnerable and can stun me if she blocks cc with it. That alone makes it a strong ability already and she needs atleast some kind of defensive tool. I get that. But the fact that she reduces my attackspeed AND slows by 50% for 2 whole seconds even if she didn't block anything removes so much of the counterplay. You can't trade anymore with that attackspeed, and she can just walk around you freely to trigger the vitals since you are slowed. Especially in the early levels, Riposte is not really a defensive tool, but an all-rounder ability that she can use both offensively AND defensively. It just gives her way too much utility for a single spell.

[@pedrohenrique-db3xd]

Its a skill shot that anyone can dodge and has a 24 seconds cooldown, so theres a huge penalty if you miss it. In many matchups if fiora miss uses W she literally dies on the spot.

[@ThPFreitas]

I think Karthus ult is so iconic that reworking it would be basically removing part of his identity, his ultimate is literally one of a kind and has sunch a long CD, it's not game breaking or anything.

[@somo4227]

it's a ballancing nightmare,it's hard to keep him ballanced with that ult existing it's also not satisfying to have a ultimate move on a billion second cooldown

[@JustAnotherGuy151]

I have to agree with another commenter regarding Irelia's Q being badly designed. Does it suit a similar purpose to her old Q? Sure, but I feel where it's badly designed falls into everything that it packs. I feel like it'd be fine if the baked-in heal was removed.

[@marcoestevez6944]

Well every Irelia ability’s its a bad design

[@Ghilannugs]

I think it would be great as it is. If it werent for how much stronger Irelia gets from items. Like the heal from Q alone is fine, until she also heals from like 3 omnivamp items on top of it

[@Laqweefa]

Old irelia q matched her playstyle more because she was more autoattack focused, new irelia has better autoattacks, resets, cc, and damage reduction. Too many things compared to her old kit. She can reset her q on 1 or multiple targets now.

[@harrygreenhalgh8929]

Yeah but yasuo e does the same thing except you don't leave a minion at 1hp and loose your only engage

[@MarigoldAW]

I haven't seen anybody mention it but the little visual flair that Vars gave the abilities when he says them is so nice to look at!

[@Flint1241]

Death Realm: I wouldn't say the spell itself is badly designed as much as Morde is badly designed as a whole. If Morde wasn't such a bland mess of a stat check, forcing a 1v1 would be a cool concept, but his P/Q/W/E are simply not interesting enough for that to be a thing. Yuumi: Should not exist. Alpha: Genuinely a good design. It provides the squishy AF Yi with some much needed I-frames while forcing him to go in and giving enemies a moment to prepare for his burst damage, rather than him just appearing on top of you instantly and popping you like newer releases. If you lack burst or CC he's going to kill you, but if you have those at the ready you can not only lock him down out of Alpha, but in doing so you prevent him from doing it again and being safe. Duelist Dance: There is genuinely nothing wrong with % HP true damage. Yes, it bypasses tank stats, but *that's the point*. Fiora's entire schtick is that if you send somebody to 1v1 her she's going to shred them. The only problem with this ability is how it plays out in the laning phase; if you get a forward-facing vital you cannot approach the creep wave as a melee. Requiem: This ability is perfect. A spell does not need a million fancy mechanics to be cool, and it doesn't need to be a skillshot to have meaningful counterplay. There are so many ways of surviving this spell (items, summoner spells, and just regular abilities) and it has enough weaknesses that it's absolutely fair to go against while still being powerful. It's a long CD with ample warning and pretty moderate damage, so it's only useful with good timing and awareness, meaning you need to plan your deaths carefully to get this off in a teamfight unless you want that Fizz to slip away again.

[@Josue-mt8ni]

As a Fiora main, I try in custom to see every évolution of fiora duelist dance That scale with Ad so to do 20% HP TD per Vital as you said you must have over 350 AD wich is 1 not worth ( u need item) Or that means u were overfeed so you build AD Normaly in late game with the meat Items that deal 13-14% TD per Vital I know that a lot but for a comparaison Vayne can do that at lvl 9 !

[@nikolaithomas2485]

Yeah but as a fiora you are extremly tanky have a whole kit and cant get cced as a vayne you are really squishy and have 1 less ability

[@JojishiAMVs]

Yone alone has 5 abilities (if you include his passive) that are badly designed. His passive is Yasuo passive, but also deals 50% magic damage every other auto, so you can't reliably build against him. Q is literally just a better Yasuo Q. W is an AoE %max health damage ability that is practically instant, deals both ad and magic damage and shields for 600 if he hits a champion, and gets increased by 50% for each other champion hit. His E gives bonus damage, bonus movement speed, a free zed ult, a free cleanse and a leblanc W in 1. His ult is a game changing long range ability that can't be spellshielded because it applies a knock down, a stun AND a knock up. This ability has a base damage of up to 600 damage that also is 50% magic damage, meaning you can't build against this. Also, not a single one of his abilities can be cancelled by CC making the usual counterplay of crowd control not effective against him. And they say champions aren't overloaded, what a load of horse shit.

[@BronzeAnalystTM]

Yes. Just delete this mess of a champion already

[@kronoslegacy7372]

He can easily trade with his E with very danger to him hes just an absolute bs champ

[@socomical607]

The magic damage isn't consistent and big enough for you to build magic resist unless you are a tank. If you don't include his E, Yone's Q is actually worse than Yas's Q because it deals less damage. The damage on his W is not even that big unless you're against a champ that builds health. The reason he has that shield on his W is because he is a melee ad carry that is in the rough of things for a decent amount of time. He would actually get deleted if he tried to ult into team fights without his W shield. You would have to Q3 and ult the entire enemy team to make sure they can't damage you. If they have cc, you're basically dead unless you have qss or recast E. His E is probably the most obvious trading ability in the game. You can tell when he going to use his E because of his Q3 noise, but some good players will actually just E and get Q3 during the trade. Also, his E is NOT a cleanse. It makes him unstoppable when he recasts it. His E is only strong once you level it and have enough damage for it to actually make a big difference, which you could call scaling, which is an ad carry trait (yes he is an ad carry even though he is officially classified as skirmisher, assassin). Also, the fact he is forced back to his body with his E actually makes it a lesser version of Leblanc W because she can optionally go back or continue where's she going. Leblanc's trading pattern is a lot more annoying to deal with than Yone's because it is really hard to dodge her W unless you have flash and she can repeat her W with R and then recast W to go back to where she originally was. Her mark also deals extra magic damage if she hits in ability. At least there's a lot more of a chance to dodge Yone's Q than Leblanc W.

[@harrygreenhalgh8929]

@@socomical607 so then why dont all of the other melee champs get a shield, max health damage, and a cleanse/execute/free engage in their kits. he doesnt get deleted if he uses his ult in a team fight cause he presses e first so there isnt any danger and he can just jump straight back to his body ignoring and cc you use on him if you somehow manage to survive his ult. bois i think we found a yone main

[@eryalmario5299]

He's the definition of wrong

[@bjap1563]

For Mord's Ult: Include passive's damage while the enemy champion is inside the realm. And when killed, spawns a apparition of the killed champion as an ally. (This might sounds like his old Ult mechanic😅).

[@Ninjer]

This might sound like a dumb broken op ahit

[@manofthunderbolts6525]

That sounds stupidly overpowered All they need to do realistically is just make Death Realm a bigger Camille ult

[@bjap1563]

@@manofthunderbolts6525 How does Camille's Ult work again?

[@manofthunderbolts6525]

@@bjap1563 serious answer or not? All it does is make the target unable to escape a certain area but enemies can still interact with them. With Morde they could do something similar.

[@manofthunderbolts6525]

@@bjap1563 serious answer or not? All it does is make the target unable to escape a certain area but enemies can still interact with them. With Morde they could do something similar.

[@jobvandermeer7396]

They should make it with yuumi that if you layer two hard cc abilities on the person she is attached to she gets bummed off, so you have counter play, yuumi can counter that by just moving to another ally before the second cc ability hits

[@GamingEelektross]

14:10 "Must be a running thing with Shadow Isles" Damn, no respect for the man who doesnt need convenient plot mist to take over a continent

[@alkinurdotran1053]

for yuumi, make it so she can only stay 7 seconds inside, then she has to be outside for at least 2 seconds

[@timmynordin2290]

Perhaps make it so that autos reduce cooldown of W and hitting a champ with Q add time to the duration u can stay on an ally if already on an ally

[@aron7496]

GIVE ME CHILDREN OF THE GRAVE BAACCKKKK

[@henriquetomio]

It's interesting how 4 out of the 5 abilities you've mentioned are all reframed abilities from DOTA heroes. It just shows that they don't really think about how they will affect league design wise, they just modify a bit and put it in. Well they are two different games, DOTA 2 is much more auto attack based and there is no such thing as high scaling mages so things like Zeus R (Karthus R) are not as broken because they fall off really hard lategame. In LoL you have AP items to make mages scale so damaging everyone out of the sudden is kinda broken so they added that little delay...and you know all of the problems that come with having a global ultimate that deal half of all enemy's life in the lategame >.> Mordekaiser R -> Legion Commander's R Master Yi Q -> Juggernaut R Karthus R -> Zeus R Yuumi W -> Naix R (it's important to know that Naix is a carry and cannot use other abilities while inside allies, and enemys don't have a way to know if he is inside or not). So they really reimagined this one into a support champ. Maybe a good Yuumi modification in the future would be for her to pop out if ally is CCd.

[@nintentwins1867]

5:57 Someone has played Fire Emblem Awakening. Not often I hear that phrase as often in 2021. You clever dog Vars, throwing in references like that.

[@VarsVerum]

F R E D E R I C K

[@MysticColorsAttack]

5:59 lmao, love the Fe reference, I already assumed you played it due to appt of your music choice, but that confirms it

[@mateopetit1745]

yasuo windwall is a joke for mage oof i ban him everytime because of he's W.

[@rasmusmalmberg6468]

"What if the high risk high reward hyperscaling powerhouse could regardless of level or items remove a ranged champion from the teamfight for free?" "LMAOOOO!!!!"

[@DyrianLightbringer]

Riot needs to understand that "untargetable" means you can't TARGET the character. It doesn't mean INVULNERABLE. Yuumi really should take damage from area effects while attached.

[@peturch.2656]

Or make Yummi and the person she is on to count as 1 champion. If you stun or silence the person with Yuumi, it applies to both of them.

[@gregpartridge7554]

Area effects still need to 'target' what they hit, by calculating which targets' hitboxes intersect their area of effect. The way 'untargetable' is defined is that the champion doesn't have a hitbox. She's not totally invulnerable, she still takes damage from DOT effects that applied before she went untargetable. I do agree with the previous comment that she should take harm when her host is hit, I like the idea of CC applying to her as well, and maybe also a percentage of the damage taken.

[@thallthall1478]

no that's dumb lol

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

Fun fact- riot says yuumi is difficult champion because she has to detach to use her passive from time to time

[@janstraka8674]

"Yuumi has difficulty scaling because as you detach you can get hit by CC and not being able to contribute to your team." Umm like every other fucking champion in the game?

[@alex2005z]

@@janstraka8674 except mundo and olaf

[@janstraka8674]

@@alex2005z and lets be honest neither of those is particularly difficult champ 🤣

[@alex2005z]

@@janstraka8674 true, at least not mechanicly

[@oorrrii]

@@janstraka8674 their stupidity is really sad, she has “difficulty scaling” because she *sometimes* has to deal with what every other champion deals with, good thinking riot 👍

[@graytantan4839]

Dude bop and block is the best solo lane abillity. I've destroyed so many players with it in mid and top.

[@The_Nexium]

Vars: 2:53 Pyke in a teamfight: What? did I do something

[@amitaish1055]

I honestly never agreed with the taric one. As a taric main I mever felt like he was underpowered outaide of his ult, and he is still fun and feel good to play as. Q and passive alone give him a good enough play outaide out side of it

[@suilles]

the fact is that you see the ult coming so you choose to delete him or you back off till it run out to fight. also a knock back can mess up that ult since he wont die but wont be able to do anything with it.

[@seanboglio3605]

true damage needs a rework. %damage and it just uses the percentage to provide a value that is then mitigated by armor and all. Simple. Tanks have been dying to lethality and armor shred already.

[@Da_JooJ]

Shacos Q and boxes. He shouldn't have flash + invis every few seconds. Also his boxes need more cd and a general cool down on whoever they fear so they can't fear you over and over while you try to move somewhere at all.

[@socenprolif7757]

If you see any shaco that runs flash, know for sure that that's a bad shaco...

[@gido230]

@@socenprolif7757 i think he meant that his q has an integrated flash

[@JM-vl3cy]

Ultimately it's a game so the "bad design" abilities are more the ones that are not fun (or even frustrating) to get hit by. So most of the bad ones would be abilities that feel "unfair". Morde's ult won't be lethal if you managed to escape him or if it's used at the wrong moment, so I think it's fine. Karthus' ult gives you time to prepare a shield, healing, use lifesteal, etc... before it strikes. So it's fine as well. Hard CC abilities are probably the worst since the whole concept is "you stop playing for X seconds". Abilities that give immunity feel super cheap as well (Yi, Fizz, etc...), and the ones that give invisibility for a significant duration are also very not fun to face against (short invisibility is very fun tho, which proves that it's just a matter of little tweaks).

[@BoopaKing]

A bad design would also apply to an ability that is not fun to use. Morde's ultimate should not be in his kit and I will die on that hill as a Mordekaiser OTP since s3. His biggest problem has always been and will always be kiting. His ultimate doesn't do anything to solve that because it's so massive and doesn't do anything to the opponent's actual mobility, leading to tons uses where all it does is deter the opponent while their team (or yours if you win the lottery) prepare to for your arrival. It also has the obscene handicap of removing Mordekaiser, a massively damaging, somewhat tanky, AOE threat, from the teamfight. That most certainly can cost you teamfights or even games because all he did was get rid of ONE of the opposing team's threats while the REST of them were still there. If Mordekaiser was the strongest member of the team that was effectively worthless, maybe even detrimental. The only way it can be objectively good to have it is if Mordekaiser is alone and splitpushing. Then it can be used to isolate one enemy from the rest of the team when they inevitably collapse on top of him and turn a dumb solo death into an even trade or even more if he's strong enough. I've gone multiple games in a row without using that stupid thing because there was no point using it. And that's why I think Realm of Death is a badly designed ability. Thank you for reading my triggered rant.

[@1YCARADOFACAO]

I myself think Karthus Ult is NOT oppressive ENOUGH. It should be way more powerful and dangerous, today for what it is, is usually a dead ability that does nothing besides maybe getting some assistis

[@krzycki9688]

I think that alpha strike would be okay if it was dash with 4 more powerful, faster auto attacks with damage reduction instead of disappering for almost 1,5 sec

[@alphenhousplaysgames4565]

i am okay with everything alpha strike does EXCEPT for disappear.

[@maddog_majima9553]

Finally someone who knows how annoying fiora's passive is, especially when it's true damage. Edit: I also wanted to add this. The only one who could beat her late game would've been sett but after doing everything u can to slow her and shoot ur W at her she decides to press her W. I don't know about u guys. I understand if it where some auto attack like jax's counterstrike, but deflecting any and all damage is broken too.( I play top champs usually because everytime I pick an adc or mage people tend to tell me to uninstall the game so idk if there r anyways to counter her W)

[@minhnguyen-fs2iv]

yeah so what about camille true damage ?

[@muff1nb0y46]

Jax's E is fine dude. Yes you are dodging any AA but the stun doesn't last longer at max rank, the damage aren't high and can be dodged by someone with higher mobility (such as Gwen or Fiora). I find it acceptable

[@codydonovan4853]

In a 1v1, the only way to win against Fiora is to sidestep the parry. My issue with Fiora is how much she's allowed to fuck up and still win the 1v1. For example, you are Jax. Fiora lands parry. She doesn't stun you with it, she doesn't parry an auto+W, she just hits the projectile with the ms slow and attack speed slow. If you already used E, you either die right there or are forced out of lane. Fiora doesn't use parry the way a duelist would - she doesn't have to time it - she uses it as a "win fight" button into a lot of matchups. I'm fine with Fiora winning any 1v1 IF she manages to parry a meaningful source of CC or damage.

[@maddog_majima9553]

@@muff1nb0y46 sorry if my english made it sound like Jax counterstrike is offensive or anything. I didn't mean it like that, English isn't my first language. I meant like Jax's counterstrike isn't by any means a big NO to anyone unless it's some1 like tryndamere were u actually need it to duel him and imo it's one of the good abilities out there, he is a skirmisher and he needs it, I actually don't mind Yi Q, just have to cc the moment he comes out of alpha strike and if there's an adc, just run away from your team. But fiora passive and W sometimes feel like teemo blinding garen imo especially when she ults. She damages u and she is only healing from damaging u. No other character except maybe teemo into a garen who is behind teemo will only suffer like that imo

[@maddog_majima9553]

@@minhnguyen-fs2iv i have no clue, I always banned her after one faithful encounter, don't remember what happened anymore.

[@alejandropetit6573]

Running circles around mordekaiser and dodging all of his stuff is so satisfying especially ecause it's the only way rammus or singed can deal with him

[@savage_serpent1383]

Love kiting him in the death realm as temo because when he does try to auto attack you for passive he can’t

[@hillgarm4332]

My top 5 would be 5. Camille Q - Low cd AA reset with a true damage nuke as a basic ability. 4. Vayne W - Fiora's passive is more troublesome when you factor the R, yet both have a downtime and (as said) rely on positioning. Vayne can just ignore any stat other than attack speed as a ranged champion and use other ADC items without any major sacrifice or trade off. 3. Blitzcrank W - Still don't understand why it's still there, it lost its purpose when riot decided he'd stick as a support. The attack speed component is irrelevant and the movement speed buff isn't that good when you get slow (with no upside) afterwards. 2. Sivir R - It has the same effect as an active item that any support can buy, just slightly stronger, at a time where most characters can dash and/or jump over walls, yet her passive already gives her movement speed. Just feels completely out of place and isn't satisfying to use. 1. Aurelion Sol E - Too slow, telegraphed, commits you onto a fixed location, can't be used with any other ability aside Q (in a champion that is all about his passive), can be disrupted by almost anything, has higher CD than most R's. Honorable mentions • Corki E - A direction based skill for a character in a class that wants to kite... • Evelynn Q - For some reason she can miss the Q and still get an auto aim damage follow up... • Kassadin E - Only skill in game with two cooldowns. It ain't that good to need it... • Kled W - Love to lose my valuable skill whenever i want to farm, using just AA... • Syndra P - How can she be the only champion in the game with no passive before getting an R? • Taliyah P - Free mobility boots, but only if you stick to walls...

[@xscorpzzau1223]

I'm a Yi main, and I somewhat agree that his Q can be a bit silly. The main issue is that, as you pointed out in the intro, it's a loaded ability, and the only means he has to do basically anything. I've always wondered how it would work if instead, it wasn't a targeted point and click, but a skill shot with single target damage as opposed to multi target on champions. So, instead of just running at someone with Q preloaded, you have to hit it at the right time or be stuck dealing no damage and out of position

[@connormukai4970]

TF ult gives him way crazy value for just standing there, (in the jungle) menacingly

[@keithharth1219]

But the only annoying thing about TF is his stun card. Otherwise he just kinda tickles you, and he's quite easy to hunt down if his W is on cooldown

[@happybalint]

I think Kai'sa's shield is useless especially in lategame. It protects you from half an ability and then you just die.

[@duckymomo7935]

The shield is really a bonus The mobility is too good at its own right

[@Maerowin]

I feel Yuumi has a very unique problem designwise: She is a high elo stomper because she is so dependent on her teammates, which is an enchanter problem but due to her slow movement speed throughout the games it's even more prominent. In low elo players don't play as much attention to positioning and can't dodge skillshots as well. An ADC with bad movement is a problem for her and there is very little you can do if the enemy picks up on this weakness, since your early is so weak. I find low elo Yuumi very managable but once they play with very skilled players she is a problem that's hard to be dealt with. Same menace as Bard in high elo for different reasons. While a skilled Yuumi can really influence the game with the right players, she can't solo carry a lost cause.

[@DAN-gf3qx]

ok here are 5 habilities that i hate in no specific order (english is not my first language, dont get too mad at me for typos lol): Mordekaiser passive: I just hate the fact that he gets move speed when he activates it, it feels so random, he already has R and E to keep you close and he can build rylais to keep you slow you down. Corki E: i like playing Corki but his E feels so clunky because it forces you to face your oponent, but Corki is a marksman that wants to kite his oponents so you end up using like just a third of the ability. Sylas W: this ablity should just be called "win the trade", it gives just to much value for a point and click, good damage, amazing healing AND it puts you in melee range so it is impossible to miss your second E. Bard W: Its so fucking bad, even when it is fully carge it heals nothing, it feels like a waste of mana, and worse of all, it is kind of hard to know when its ready, unless you have a skin, the healing just becomes a bit bigger and it feels terrible when the adc takes the heal just before it charges because they just dont know, I just dont put any point in this abilty anymore. Quinn E: if Quinn was more popular she would be my most hated champ just for this shit, pushes you back, deals tons of damage thanks to her passive and its a targeted ability, it makes it impossible to get close if you are a melee champion, against a good player, there is no way to get close and the only counterplay is to ask the jungler to help.

[@dominiorrr6510]

I think Alpha Strike is fine. While it's spammable and it's a good defensive tool, it also works as a double edged sword. Enemies know exactly where Master Yi will appear and its wrong usage often results in death. Also I don't agree that Vayne's W doesn't scale. It does, but with attack speed instead of AD. Also I agree that tank supports are often easier than enchanters, but putting Lulu as an example was just bleh. She's the easiest enchanter (possibly support overall) out there and way to go for filled supports. Something like Janna requires a lot of skill to master though. If I had to choose my top badly designed abilities, it would be: -Vladimir's Q or W. Alone these abilities aren't that bad, but mixed together on a hyper scaling champion they become problematic. A champion like that shouldn't have both burst and poke immunity, it lessens counterplay by a lot. -Any %HP true damage ability (Vayne, Fiora, Gwen). Urgot's R is probably the only one I find well designed, since it's an ultimate and hard to hit skillshot. -Gwen's W. It's basically Xin Zhao's ultimate, but she also gets huge bonus resistances inside, meaning you can't fight her both inside and outside of the zone. -Yone's E. Same as above. It's basically Zed's ultimate, but atleast there's a downside- Yone has to go back to his clone at some point. -Morde's R. Even riot at one point said it was supposed to be the reworked Fiora's ult, but it turned out to be too toxic and created too many problems. -Yuumi's W. Obvious reasons. -Akshan's revive. It feels out of place. In game it feels random, reviving allies "just happens", it's hardly ever planned, but still often wins games by accident. The least they should do is making scoundrels not mark instantly, so if Akshan wants to revive his team he has to do it knowingly, after fight. Not by killing an enemy 0.01 seconds after said enemy killed his ally.