New & Cool Building Products from The Intl’ Builders Show 2022 (part 1)

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Matt Risinger

Matt Risinger

Күн бұрын

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@PerkinsBuilderBrothers
@PerkinsBuilderBrothers 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt thanks for the plug!! Enjoyed meeting you and the Build Crew at the show… glad to see some of the booths I missed in the video! 🤜🤛
@Clovethelightrespectthepower
@Clovethelightrespectthepower 2 жыл бұрын
Perkins goes passive 2023?? I’ll cry
@kientran5522
@kientran5522 Жыл бұрын
It's great! My shed has been completed and it turned out nice looking and sturdy and it is way better than the sheds that many of my neighbors had put up. Of course, I'm pleased with the outcome and this Ryan's kzbin.infoUgkxGZedDTcDfgD7fG_uU4esfx_EgxzlY2_1 Plans was extremely useful to me as a guide.
@EK--ry3lr
@EK--ry3lr 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Perkins brothers shout out, been watching those guys almost as long as the build show!
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you!
@jopo7996
@jopo7996 2 жыл бұрын
The Irritable Bowel Syndrome show seems awesome.
@tedl2711
@tedl2711 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It didn’t seem as uncomfortable as one would think
@charlesrodriguez7984
@charlesrodriguez7984 2 жыл бұрын
@@tedl2711 mmmm diarrhea 🤢
@rodneyficklin9281
@rodneyficklin9281 2 жыл бұрын
When we framed back 30 years ago we didn’t have any scrape left over bigger then 20 inches longs, we pulled nails out of bracing 2 xs, now days the framers fill a dumpster, full sheets of osb, full 2 x s with one nail in it.
@innovatoolsinc
@innovatoolsinc 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Matt Risinger and RRbuildings for their contribution to bringing awareness to our new universal Two-Way cutting tool for Tapco and Vanmark and our own new modular siding brake! much appreciated! :)
@brettzeigerbacher2314
@brettzeigerbacher2314 2 жыл бұрын
Finally they have some MGO board in the US. This stuff should also be replacing all drywall everywhere. It's the best possible product for indoor air quality.
@aayotechnology
@aayotechnology 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really interested in this product. Where/how have you used it?
@MrJramirex
@MrJramirex 2 жыл бұрын
Drywall is used so much because of how its price compared to similar products. MGO needs to be cheaper or very close to drywall to even have a chance at replacing it. Specially now with building product manufacturers price gouging everyone while having record profits.
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you!
@w7834
@w7834 2 жыл бұрын
Sears Catalog waaaay back in time! An old idea made new again. A great blast from the past!
@ferree1709
@ferree1709 2 жыл бұрын
RR Buildings is the Best!
@The_R_Vid
@The_R_Vid 2 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see the Hardiebacker display on a joint instead of just a panel. Connections/transitions are always the weak point in an assembly. Factory applied coatings are generally pretty effective.
@jeffersoneinstein9641
@jeffersoneinstein9641 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've seen that if water does get past the coating, like on the ends or even the back since it's not coated that stuff may as well be cardboard.
@MagicNomadic
@MagicNomadic 2 жыл бұрын
Hardie is shit! I WISH someone would come up with something else to put them out of business. I know, it won't happen but I can still dream. I just did the side of my house with 24"x12" tile siding to replace the asbestos ones and they break if you look at them wrong and making a straight or precise cut will take you more than one tile. I hate them with my entire being.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see showerboard made with a lap joint. it's just so obvious.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
@@MagicNomadic I did my house with hardieplank, and had almost no wasted pieces that weren't because I measured wrong.
@PowerToolSafe
@PowerToolSafe 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt and Will - Thank you both for helping us get seen! It was a fantastic show, and so glad we caught your eye! All the best to you and your crews as you continue to lead, inspire and inform the building industry!
@hakangustafsson4842
@hakangustafsson4842 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting comment around LEGO. I work in Volvo Construction Equipment and we have taken ideas from our cooperation with Lego and implemented on real products. Fun info is that Lego sell their wheel loader L350H for a total sales value exceeding our sales value for L350H
@DreadnautVS
@DreadnautVS 2 жыл бұрын
Just built a hidden room using Sugatsune hinges, it is EPIC!!
@maakjar
@maakjar 2 жыл бұрын
These are my favorite Matt videos. Saves me the trip down there lol
@kevinfoster010
@kevinfoster010 2 жыл бұрын
Some nice new stuff, that MGO board can be useful. Was surprised to see Kyle / RR there at the end, he is a great builder.
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you!
@bhami
@bhami 2 жыл бұрын
4:24 "no saws". Never any warped wood? 😂
@brianbuchanan5170
@brianbuchanan5170 2 жыл бұрын
Mattamy Homes (in Ontario) has a factory which rolls out the whole house. Not custom homes, but you can pick from their models. Being indoors there are no weather delays, it’s dry for the 7 days of construction and rolled out to the foundation.
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
thats amazing.. i watched a interview where one of those companies built and rolled a house out. scaffolding, jigs, and all other kinds of things you could build in the shop to speed the process. I am assuming there are some big problems with delivery or it would be much more widespread
@janking2762
@janking2762 2 жыл бұрын
We have a timber framed addition that was a portion of one of several complete homes. Shop built frame, factory built SIP’s, standard windows. Assembled on site in four days in 1988, about $30/square foot. Can be done!
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you!
@robertgeiger2268
@robertgeiger2268 2 жыл бұрын
good to c u with perkins builders👍
@canonicaltom
@canonicaltom 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, I wasn't expecting to see Kyle!
@IppiopaidFEEDBACK
@IppiopaidFEEDBACK 2 жыл бұрын
Those sliding doors are next level!
@davidgagnon2849
@davidgagnon2849 2 жыл бұрын
Those stairs!!!!!!!!!! Wow!
@tedl2711
@tedl2711 2 жыл бұрын
It would be so nice if ready frame had pre drilled studs for electrical
@jeffersoneinstein9641
@jeffersoneinstein9641 2 жыл бұрын
Actually it's pretty sad that this whole system would really be a thing in the first place. Where are the craftsmen going? What's wrong with figuring things out on site, where if you know what you're doing there is very little waste and with a little effort you can drill your own holes where they suit you best. The problem is, now you can have a person with no skill and ,the biggie I'm sure, pay them next to nothing to put up a house while the big corporations get all the money. No thank you I say
@HBSuccess
@HBSuccess 2 жыл бұрын
It's a total nothingburger. Overpriced proprietary to BFS... definitely NOT the solution to anything. Not trade labor shortages. Not lumber cost.overruns. Not supply chain issues. None of it. It saves minimal material, mimimal trade labor and minimal cycle time. Sure it's an hour or two faster but it takes two months to get tne."kit"created and marked, and it transfers the builder’s margin on the frame back to BFS - the retailer. Good strategy for them… for the builder not so much.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffersoneinstein9641 yep, let's turn carpenters into laborers. but it would still be convenient if every stud was predrilled at 3' ARF, or even if every laminated post was predrilled, because that's where it's a pain to get it drilled square.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
@@HBSuccess Lindel's been doing it for decades. it just relocates the cycle time and scrap material to the factory instead of the jobsite.
@goodselections
@goodselections 2 жыл бұрын
Great content Matt. thank you for bringing it to us.
@chriscook5875
@chriscook5875 2 жыл бұрын
High Cotton Homes in the house!
@HighCottonHomes
@HighCottonHomes 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! Representing!
@briardsurf
@briardsurf 2 жыл бұрын
Love the new product videos 👍
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you!
@markbuildstx
@markbuildstx 2 жыл бұрын
This is like a review of Matt’s personal house sponsors.
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you
@Endorfen2011
@Endorfen2011 2 жыл бұрын
I paused video @ 4:21. I'm wondering why the top plate of the window box is not sitting on a jack-stud and is actually tacked to the double king stud. OOPS! Keep the get videos coming. P.S. Seems I'd still need my saw. :)
@carolinafrog4365
@carolinafrog4365 2 жыл бұрын
everything shown is going on my "find a local dealer" list!! love this!
@nicholascook9584
@nicholascook9584 2 жыл бұрын
I helped my dad install one of those viewrail staircases in umatilla fl and it was definitely unique to install, it needed a small amount of adjustment but it went together without to much trouble overall
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you!
@jimchallender4616
@jimchallender4616 2 жыл бұрын
how much time is saved with "Ready Frame"? Is it cheaper to build - Material cost and Labor cost?
@lb7wade518
@lb7wade518 2 жыл бұрын
Great show!!
@mortonkatz1639
@mortonkatz1639 2 жыл бұрын
I Matt the next time you go to a show like the "IBS" could you show what's new in "ADA" for homs
@lkm5462
@lkm5462 2 жыл бұрын
Schlutter has had all the hardie products for ages
@phillipkuntze137
@phillipkuntze137 2 жыл бұрын
Curious, how is the Hardie board different from schluter system?
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
brand name.
@imranakhtar4478
@imranakhtar4478 2 жыл бұрын
The name of show alone can trigger a lot of people.😂
@darkoserafimovski8127
@darkoserafimovski8127 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt what kind of sneakers are you wearing at the beginning of the video?
@davecarroll5989
@davecarroll5989 2 жыл бұрын
Great info thanks
@forbiddionexile7287
@forbiddionexile7287 2 жыл бұрын
Isnt that hinge the same as any euro hinge?
@briancopher7291
@briancopher7291 2 жыл бұрын
I can see a builder on a jobsite, just like w rta shelving or other piece: "anyone see an A-7 piece? Did we lose a piece already?"
@tsviper
@tsviper 2 жыл бұрын
is the pc program you showed in the start news in the US? dont you use BIM?
@nickprafke6664
@nickprafke6664 2 жыл бұрын
I am curious on the cost of ready frame. If they are truly optimizing the stud prep it should be cheaper than doing it onsite when all cost are considered. That said services like that usually gouge you making them unattractive.
@stormagorist6129
@stormagorist6129 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if "gouge" is the right term, though yes of course they are trying to come in at a price point very close but just under the cost of cutting each piece on site.
@michaelfranks341
@michaelfranks341 2 жыл бұрын
My house was built in 2019 with ready framed sections that came stacked together and put together as a puzzle. They had the entire framing done in less than a week with the roof on it.
@seanm3226
@seanm3226 2 жыл бұрын
@@stormagorist6129 There is no way they come in “just under” what on site would cost. Maybe someday, but not now. If they were currently cheaper, on site framing would cease tomorrow.
@KevinSmith-qi5yn
@KevinSmith-qi5yn 2 жыл бұрын
I think most of the costs are associated with shipping. It can cost $4~$5 per mile for each truckload. If a factory is over 500 miles away, it can be very costly.
@ShikokuFoodForest
@ShikokuFoodForest 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfranks341 Here in Japan, all homes built today are pre-fab ‘Ready Framed’. A whole team of about 8-10 carpenters assemble the entire frame and roof often within a week or so. Very fast. From your experience, how does the cost compare to cutting lumber on site?
@jasonrowe6302
@jasonrowe6302 2 жыл бұрын
Matt, do you not have frame and truss manufactures who make the whole wall/truss section in a factory and deliver it to site? Then all the carpenter/builder does is connect them together and add bracing.
@VarunArora
@VarunArora 2 жыл бұрын
Matt, I am in a pretty big market (Sacramento) and I called BFS/BMS to ask about how to use Ready-Frame a couple of months ago, after getting excited by your last IBS walks. They straight up said they don't work with new builders (not sure if I had talked about ready-frame by that point). Do you know what's going on?
@jaztroisguilty2674
@jaztroisguilty2674 2 жыл бұрын
Nice shoes, where did you get those?
@rabbytca
@rabbytca 2 жыл бұрын
Ahem, 2022 KIT HOMES now a thing in the construction framing industry! Introduced by Sears in 1908 as the Sears Modern Homes mail order kits they shipped to your site from the factory complete with all framing and finishing materials. Accuracy and assembly of framing improved via computerized machines, only requires nail gun operators. And they say the construction industry is slow to adapt. 🤣🤣🤣
@josephkelly8465
@josephkelly8465 2 жыл бұрын
Sears Roebuck did it years ago
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you!
@d.a.9937
@d.a.9937 2 жыл бұрын
Always edifying and interesting. Thanks.
@ac14081408
@ac14081408 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact Len is Matt’s uncle from obsessed garage
@lancecustar
@lancecustar 2 жыл бұрын
BFS = Builders's Last Resort
@jwmj2897
@jwmj2897 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@jwmj2897
@jwmj2897 2 жыл бұрын
Nerding out man. Love the content. Dreaming of implementing so much of what you bring to the table!
@skliros9235
@skliros9235 2 жыл бұрын
Those stairs are awesome. Any idea on cost?
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you.
@boedillard8807
@boedillard8807 2 жыл бұрын
They are talking about the premade house construction. I thought it would be something I would consider. I looked at a place in VT and they were charging more than double what it would cost to build a comparable house. In theory it should cost less - when it does I think those places will really take off.
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you.
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
i think it has to do with the economy of scale. smaller companies can't afford all the people, training and equipment to make it work. builders first source is huge and can invest in all those with the scale that makes it more economically attractive. I don't buy from them directly currently but it makes me consider changing to them for my next project
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh.1234 I’ve been practicing law for 25 years and you're listening to a caddy?
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
@@loafandjug321 what on earth are you talking about? do you know you are commenting on a building channel talking about prefab building practices?
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh.1234 That's totally inappropriate. It's lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!
@dr4109
@dr4109 2 жыл бұрын
18 of the “Top Builders”? I hear that as “cheap track builders” that use cheap illiterate low quality foreign framing crews; anyone else think that?
@NSResponder
@NSResponder 2 жыл бұрын
So, ready-frame is a faster way to stick build, but it's still stick built. In this day and age, I want CLT or SIPs that I can just crane into place and dry-in a building in a day.
@av1204
@av1204 2 жыл бұрын
i literally have bfs up putting in quote now.
@TheJasonbking
@TheJasonbking 2 жыл бұрын
When I've inquired in the past, the impression I was getting was that Ready Frame wasn't really geared toward custom homes (since it'd just be the one plan), and more towards production builders. If that's not the case, that'd be good to know.
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
you should do a review of the process, I am honestly really interested to know the loe for the plan conversion to bfs software, what they charge for that, and what the markup is on the lumber. I know a lot of builders who would never be able to get their stuff together enough ahead of time to be able to generate that plan at BFS so I am guessing that is a reason its not as widely used. Or maybe the overhead is too high for that initial setup of a house design and only large enough builders who will use that design 10 times a year who can make it economical.
@R3nz_
@R3nz_ 2 жыл бұрын
Jeff Thorman from homerenovision talked about the ready frame pretty cool stuff
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you.
@kschleic9053
@kschleic9053 2 жыл бұрын
Exacor seems like it might have a place in residential construction in the mountain west where fire risks are increasing every year.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
defensible space makes a much bigger difference in wildfire survivability than metal roofs and concrete siding, but getting away from wood siding does make a difference.
@kschleic9053
@kschleic9053 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenbrown2808 agreed, siding material matters is lower on the list of practical considerations, but with the worst damages being caused in suburbs (marshall fire comes to mind) and small but dense rural communities, sometimes it isn't feasible to maintain enough defensible space. My property is essentially an urban lot (
@augustreil
@augustreil 2 жыл бұрын
No header over the window opening, or is it not needed ?
@zefallafez
@zefallafez 2 жыл бұрын
Just a demo. I’m guessing less weight and cheaper to build is the reason why there isn’t a proper header.
@augustreil
@augustreil 2 жыл бұрын
@@zefallafez, Thanks.
@woohunter1
@woohunter1 2 жыл бұрын
@3:07 you can see it up top against the double top plate, I knew a builder that did all his headers this way. Just in case you want a taller window in the future and also less screw pops.
@andreycham4797
@andreycham4797 2 жыл бұрын
Europeans do not use headers due to thermal bridging
@dosadoodle
@dosadoodle 2 жыл бұрын
I was just reading BSI-030 from the Building Science site and it discussed how Advanced Framing doesn't use heads on non-load bearing walls. Maybe the mock up was representing that scenario.
@TheFeist77
@TheFeist77 2 жыл бұрын
I live in a lower income area in Northern Arkansas. What is the lowest cost building style/materials that are still very energy efficient? There are so many systems from insulated panels to standard framing.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
properly assembled dimensional lumber with sheeting and drain wrap over tar paper with good insulation.
@davidchillton1744
@davidchillton1744 2 жыл бұрын
Manufactured framing is just shifting the waste to the manufacturer there’s still the same amount of waste, you just have to wait for your stuff to ship
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
not exactly, they can optimize their board cuts better to have less waste. they can also use longer stock that is not easy to move/ship to the job site. finally since the trimming is all aggregated there, it can be recycled for other building products much easier, as opposed to being thrown in the dumpster with a ton of other types of waste then going to a landfill. Also the builder first source software can help them lay out more dimensions that do not require cuts or cuts that result in two usable pieces. definitely doesn't negate the waste but it lessens it.
@R2D2trashcan
@R2D2trashcan 2 жыл бұрын
Went to the IBS event this year hoping to get some real help. There wasn’t a damn doctor to be seen anywhere what the hell?
@charlesviner1565
@charlesviner1565 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@cindianderson9443
@cindianderson9443 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with Viewrail is they've doubled their prices, even without all the cool designs and lighting. So it's not economical anymore. Too successful I guess.
@ahowl7mx
@ahowl7mx 2 жыл бұрын
Just need them to print out a deck so I don't have to saw anything
@ArticBeatle
@ArticBeatle 2 жыл бұрын
An easy way to drop 100K on a staircase.
@daveklein2826
@daveklein2826 2 жыл бұрын
And if you have the money, worth every penny
@ericb4127
@ericb4127 2 жыл бұрын
Dude you gotta change the thumbnail lol I thought this was a video about the best of irritable bowel syndrome.
@KyleHatch21
@KyleHatch21 2 жыл бұрын
Been a long time viewer, but got to admit... you really do focus on products and companies that pay you or give you deals. Its becoming more and more prevalent. You are a knowledgeable builder, but I can't trust your recommendations anymore.
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
We're ready to believe you
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
lol your loss, one of the best building shows out there and I have never seen him recommend a process or product that I would consider trash or drastically inferior for the price. even with his sponsorships, he is laying out building science product generalities that you can choose from an array of manufacturers to achieve. I watch him and get ideas for how to make great details then go and look at which products are out there to achieve that.. like I don't use his endorsed siga tapes but I watch those videos and use the dupont equivalent products. He is not saying you must buy this certain product to make this great, hes talking about how it works that makes it great and many times gives you other options as well.
@loafandjug321
@loafandjug321 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh.1234 I’ve been building for 25 years and you're listening to a caddy?
@KyleHatch21
@KyleHatch21 2 жыл бұрын
@@Josh.1234 He has recently recommended products that he himself has advised against in previous build videos. Only once they became a sponsor did he all of a sudden think their product was revolutionary.
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
@@KyleHatch21 welcome to give examples.
@stormagorist6129
@stormagorist6129 2 жыл бұрын
Contemporary stair, not modern. Modern is a period long gone (despite the name). \
@shawnwilliamson7720
@shawnwilliamson7720 2 жыл бұрын
The difference between a builder and a sales & marketing company.. yeah, I actually frame mine. Prefab, why not just order a manufactured home and drive it to the site and pass it off as a stick built !! Inflated material cost has us looking to reduce cost, not add cost !
@richardschlaud9895
@richardschlaud9895 2 жыл бұрын
lol. A commercial!!!
@onlyscience7120
@onlyscience7120 2 жыл бұрын
Ready frame is solely to replace skilled carpenters with low-paying, zero opportunities for advancement employees, the construction industry sucks.
@buildshow
@buildshow 2 жыл бұрын
I 100% disagree with this.
@ozzy2753
@ozzy2753 2 жыл бұрын
How is it meant to replace people that don’t exist? I can’t find skilled carpenters regardless of pay. So if I’m lucky enough to find one, he can use this kit with a bunch of helpers to build the house. Instead of replacing I think that system is helping us adapt to the new way of construction
@mitchdenner9743
@mitchdenner9743 2 жыл бұрын
@@buildshow elaborate.
@mitchdenner9743
@mitchdenner9743 2 жыл бұрын
@only science, I doubt it was designed specifically to do that but in the end thats whats happening, so i agree. I work in the commercial/industrial building trades and have noticed over the years that all jobs have been labeled "fast track" which means same money for gc's and less work for the blue collar workers. I've seen 4 year jobs done in 8 months. So now i have to work faster and cut corners on quality just to get layed off earlier than expected .
@aayotechnology
@aayotechnology 2 жыл бұрын
@Only Science i disagree also. You can also look at it as a gateway for a tradesperson to becoming skilled down the road. Plus there are plenty of homes out there needing to be built.
@Tom-sd5ru
@Tom-sd5ru 2 жыл бұрын
Please stop with that dorky voice
@markmoore1192
@markmoore1192 2 жыл бұрын
no saw no way
@E095660
@E095660 2 жыл бұрын
Builder source sucks. Worst customer service.
@jonnybrown600
@jonnybrown600 2 жыл бұрын
Benson always gets forgotten..since they are so far ahead of the game.
@AlexAlex-gj4jd
@AlexAlex-gj4jd 2 жыл бұрын
WTF! No masks?
@willbass2869
@willbass2869 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know.....FREEDOM! Ain't it grand?
@zslemp
@zslemp 2 жыл бұрын
shill show network
@LeisureLivin207
@LeisureLivin207 2 жыл бұрын
The reason prefab will always fail is because we don’t want houses to be built in a month we want it to last and take part in almost all aspects. I’d rather build 5 houses profit 250k instead of 50 and make 250k. Building is fun, listening to the birds, playing jokes, music and wouldn’t want it to change to a warehouse.
@daveklein2826
@daveklein2826 2 жыл бұрын
Prefab always fails? LMAO
@charlesw3120
@charlesw3120 2 жыл бұрын
"He's right. Mass-produced items would never get any traction in any market." *I say as I look down my street of tract housing, holding my beer that was made in a factory without ever touching a human until me.*
@daveklein2826
@daveklein2826 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesw3120 Freddy isn't the sharpest pencil in the pencil cup
@Josh.1234
@Josh.1234 2 жыл бұрын
@@daveklein2826 lol no mean comments! prefab will take over in some fashion but he does have a point, i enjoy being out on a roof working with nature all around me.. and drinking a beer that was made in a factory :)
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