New DND Subclasses Revealed! 2024 Player's Handbook

[@John-xd9wr]

We will need to see the monk reveal later today, but the new hex spell could be amazing on a warlock/monk. Hex, hit them several times with added d6’s, disadvantage on con saves, stunning strike.

[@ConstructedChaos]

It's the class reveal I've most been looking forward to! Here's hoping it doesn't get the ranger treatment in the official printing.

[@Oddthebard]

Ohh man I like that college of dance, but I feel like it should get extra attack because it seems to want you to hit and move like a monk. Seems like it would be good with the mobile feats

[@ConstructedChaos]

Absolutely. In the playtest, it got its 14th level ability much earlier and it got irresistible dance free cast ability at that level instead. I think the idea is that your attacks are more powerful than the base monk and you get extra attacks by spending bardic inspirations. It’s a cool idea and I’ll probably play it. I just don’t think it’s as crazy as everyone thought it would be.

[@XanderHarris1023]

​@@ConstructedChaos Group evasion at level 6 was its most broken feature. They had to move that up.

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@XanderHarris1023was it? I mean, level 6 was a little early but it only worked for creatures within 5ft. I don’t think it’s THAT good. Paladin auras (in 5e) already do more and in a wider range.

[@bijnahonderdeuro]

​@@ConstructedChaos The argument against it was that the subclass got a better version of evasion before other classes get the regular version. Which is understandably a feels bad for rogues and monks if they are upstaged by a subclass. But as you said, it isn't op.

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@bijnahonderdeuro that I can totally understand.

[@МаратГабдуллин-б5ф]

2:50 it deals 2d6 when it fails it save, not when you poison target. Big difference. Poison cunning strike forces target to make this save every turn- so it is 2d6 damage/turn up to 1 minute or until target succeed. (on the round you used it target will roll the save twice taking up to 4d6) While constitution save is usually high at those levels- it is free to use, it scales with your dexterity that now can be leveled up to 30 and there are still plenty of creatures who are not proficient in con saves.

[@ConstructedChaos]

I'm actually not so sure you're 100% right about that. You are right that they take the damage when they fail the save but I don't think they continue to take that damage on subsequent turns. They specifically state that it happens "when you choose the poison cunning strike option" and then mention "when they fail the save. Still, you are right that they only take this extra damage when they fail the save initially.

[@Droid6689]

☝🏻 Only receive damage for failing the initial save

[@ConstructedChaos]

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[@EzekielStJohn-t7g]

I have a question for you. Constructed. Chaos which one should I use the 2024 basic rules book which has all the classes in it or should I use the 2014 basic rules book which has all the classes from there which ones more better for beginners because I have DND beyond what should I use paper and pen, pencil? Cause I don’t know which one’s better for me.

[@ConstructedChaos]

I personally think the new 2024 book would be the easiest for you to learn from scratch! And DNDBeyond is my preference since it does a lot of the math and organization for you. But there’s nothing wrong with pen and paper if you prefer that!

[@EzekielStJohn-t7g]

@@ConstructedChaos thanks man you’re awesome

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@EzekielStJohn-t7g happy to help!

[@marcducorsky8736]

I feel that any of the Dance Bard abilities that are usable with allies should be touch. Ie dancing with ally to share boosts/bonuses.

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@marcducorsky8736 I think it then becomes a question of balance with other character options. The base paladins auras are already pretty great

[@Grymreefer]

Excellent video , thanks for the info . 🎉

[@ConstructedChaos]

Love that you enjoyed it man!

[@jamesrichardson3322]

​@@ConstructedChaos Do video on the races!! I heard that the Wizard of the Coast got rid of Half Orcs and Elves!!

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@jamesrichardson3322 Oh my! I don't think that's true but I'll look into it haha.

[@jamesrichardson3322]

@@ConstructedChaos awesome, Variant Human gone from D&D Handbook 2024

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@jamesrichardson3322oh right! That is true but I think they did that because pretty much every species gets a feat at 1st level now.

[@Casper_Cards]

Left out beast master

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@Casper_Cards it hadn’t been revealed yet! It’s all out now, though. And you can bet that I’ll be covering it in a dedicated ranger guide soon!

[@Casper_Cards]

@@ConstructedChaos please make a guide on all of the new stuff in the book! Can’t wait!! Gona sub btw

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@Casper_Cards Of course! I've already done a full class guide on Monks and Warlocks. Not sure what I'll cover next but I'm knocking out these guides pretty quickly.

[@paraschauhan1603]

See, while they have some cool Vibes, I feel like ultimately, a pastiched version of old and new works best, it's what I've been using. Personally, I don't see a reason to buy anything beyond the Monster Manual yet. I know I sound like a downer. But after everything, it just feels like it's best to run it my way.

[@XanderHarris1023]

It's always best to run things your way. If a player is interested in a new player option they could bring it to you on a case by case basis.

[@ConstructedChaos]

I completely agree with you, honestly. I really expected a lot more to be different but It feels like things just got moved around a little. I'd even be okay if they just rebalanced it but I don't think they did that as well as they could have. My poor ranger is suffering.

[@paraschauhan1603]

@@ConstructedChaos The version of the Ranger I use can use Hunter's Mark more like a non-concentration feature than a spell a number of times equal to the WIS mod, and holds on to it after the target dies like in BG3. And it upgrades in damage die over time. It's been brutal in our Drakkenheim campaign and the whole group enjoys the power.

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@paraschauhan1603 It's frustrating because I'm pretty sure they toyed around with that idea in this past playtest AND the UA before Tasha's. People love it. I don't know why they won't just do it..

[@paraschauhan1603]

@@ConstructedChaos I think those early good ideas were to bait interest. Overpromise, underdeliver.

[@Georami]

@ConstructedChaos I would love to hear your thoughts about the Artificer fitting into the new rules. I hate that we’re not getting the class updated along with everyone else. So how would you homebrew a “new” 2024 Artificer? Would you consider them in the new “Expert” classes and given them expertise? Would they get access to weapon masteries? I would love to hear your opinion

[@ConstructedChaos]

That’s an awesome question! I haven’t really given it any thought but I think it probably try to build the class on top of the new crafting rules (assuming they’re actually decent). WOTC put out a video on those rules but basically said nothing for five whole minutes haha. If we’re talking about upgrading the current artificer paradigm, I think the infusions system works but could use a boost. Maybe at certain levels the artificer can apply more than one infusion to the same item or even apply infusions to items that are already magical. Most of the new classes got fairly slight boosts in power (and some even got nerfed) so I wouldn’t be looking to make a HUGE change there.

[@ConstructedChaos]

Oh and I don’t think any of them would get weapon mastery except maybe the battlesmith. That could be a new feature of the subclass I think.

[@МаратГабдуллин-б5ф]

It is not a core class and never been. In 3.5e it was in Eberron setting book. in 4e it was in Eberron setting book. in 5e it was in Eberron setting book... Guess where it will be in revised 5th edition?

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@МаратГабдуллин-б5ф haha gotta sell more copies somehow!

[@PsyrenXY]

@user-ni7ji3fb8m Exactly, not sure why people keep expecting it to be core now when it never has been and they already have their hands full updating 12 classes / 48 subclasses

[@Zaknyfein]

So just like the Gloom Stalker, the Assassin's premier feature, "Assassinate" has been nerfed (No auto crits.). Do these people actually expect us to purchase this garbage? Do they believe we are totally stupid?

[@ConstructedChaos]

It has been nerfed to not include auto crits but now it'll happen a lot more often. I suppose this experience is different from table to table but my first 5e character was an assassin and I never got surprise because my party was a hinderance on that front. I didn't blame them, really. And I don't mean to stick up for WOTC here because they've done plenty that I don't like with the new rules (paladin and ranger are rough ngl).

[@Droid6689]

It wasn't nerfed. It traded damage for consistency. Theoretically, it deals more damage per fight this way. Does WotC think its customers are stupid? Absolutely. In their defense, giving WotC money does make you kinda dumb. So they aren't necessarily wrong

[@20storiesunder]

This type of tone isn't helpful at all

[@Zr0din]

Feels like the Monk is gone. They better be able to convince some people that the monk changes are incredible, OP worth 10 years of apology of this whole upgrade will not have been worth the effort.

[@ConstructedChaos]

I honestly like what they've done with the monk in the playtests. Of course, they didn't take the ranger far enough so I do have to wonder if the monk wasn't lifted up enough either.

[@FBI_Metal_Slime]

Playtest version of monk feels really great. Way more flexibility without spending ki, ki usages that improve over time (like flurry of blows going up to three attacks from two), more ways to get ki back in earlier levels beyond short rests, and some more interesting ways to engage in combat. Playtest 8 monk definitly feels sharply more toned for combat with much better overall damage, versatility, and resources to play with compared to 2014 monk; at the cost of a few flavor things like tongue of sun and moon and the ability to astral project being removed. They even managed to make deflect missile finally interesting (can now be used against any attack, melee or ranged, of the physical damage types that then later improves to applying to ALL energy/magic damage types, including psychic!). What got me most excited is that they changed the lvl 20 capstone to basically being barbarian's lvl 20 capstone but for dexterity and wisdom. The only monk subclass I wasn't happy with in the earlier playtests was four elements (or warrior of the elements as it's now called), which just felt like a weird combination of ascendant dragon and astral self instead of anything actually resembling four elements monk (hopefully this will be different in full release). Honestly so long as 2/3rds of the changes from the playtest version make it into the full release I will be very happy.

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@FBI_Metal_Slime I completely agree and I hope most of it sticks! I'm about to check out the premiere now to find out.

[@FBI_Metal_Slime]

@@ConstructedChaos article just went up, seems nearly everything stuck! A few alterations here and there but otherwise all the good stuff remains!

[@ConstructedChaos]

@@FBI_Metal_Slime I’m really happy with it and very surprised that they gave this treatment to the monk but messed up with the ranger. I wonder if the ranger has more than meets the eye that they didn’t talk about. Maybe something with new spell selections that don’t rely on concentration?