New Holland C232 Electrical Nightmare... Can I Fix It?

Andy's skid steer has more than a mouse issue...
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0:00 New Holland C232
4:37 Will it run?
6:42 Unloading the skid steer
9:02 The wiring mess
14:35 The reason it won't run
16:32 Cleaning up the harness
20:59 The best we can do
23:30 Will it run now?
33:04 New Holland engineering
36:12 Andy's test drive
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[@Kowyn]

Fixing wiring is hard enough but dealing with another persons mess is a whole nother level of hell, great job on the repair, must have felt great when it fired up the first time.

[@Jerroh6]

I had gained the nickname of "The Pitbull" at work because I would not let go of a project until it was done. But I bow down to you Sir because your tenacity is far greater than mine. That wiring was a nightmare to look at and you managed to track everything down and fix it. Amazing job and a fantastic vid.

[@lasersights]

To the flatbed operator.... snatch blocks are your friend... double up the winch line. Day 1 of training

[@zukowski2023]

Day two of training, dish soap on metal decks make sliding rubber tracks "way easier"! Nylon recovery skates make loading and unloading also "way easier"!

[@theglitch99]

Also, use the bed to slide and push and pull load as well.

[@farmerbill6855]

@@zukowski2023 wd40 works in a pinch.

[@wobblysauce]

As do a handful of rocks…

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@zukowski2023I carry dish soap in my semi for that reason, works great on things like fifth wheel slides. Lubes it up so you can move it and it removes itself the next time you drive through rain so it’s not sitting around collecting dust like grease.

[@bobsch-gd6ze]

I blame the bean counters first and the engineers second Rich. But, you guys Scored on this machine for sure.

[@WillBilly.]

I gust realized i know a new Holland bean counter 💀

[@bobsch-gd6ze]

@@WillBilly. is he Dutch too ?

[@wobblysauce]

… they could have saved even more on wiring if they removed half of it, it is like they had a quota deal on how much to use.

[@WillBilly.]

@@bobsch-gd6ze no, he just just got a really nice internship with them in college and stayed there

[@Joe-hz1nw]

You should blame the environmentalists and the average customer who tend to lean towards buy the cheapest equipment possible.

[@tda2806]

A sewing seem ripper makes an excellent tool for removing tape from a loom without damaging wires.

[@DHMFSSIHTA]

Glue lined heat shrink is your friend. It has a thermal glue that melts to the wire and completely seals out oil and water.

[@fbm314]

Came here to say the same , makes for a nice weather tight connection.

[@hammyh1165]

I have butt connectors that come with glue lined shrink on them , absolutely fantastic to use.

[@theglitch99]

Ppl like him keep this world moving! The ability to understand and diagnose difficult situations is impressive!

[@NoWr2Run]

VERY IMPRESSIVE.

[@minnesotatomcat]

I used to work as a tester in the Case ih assembly plant that built the big patriot sprayers and floater trucks. We used to have wiring issues with brand new machines trying to start them for the first time and trying to diagnose some of it was a nightmare. Pins in the wrong spot in plugs, right from the vendor. Wires that have a pin and are in the right spot but the coating was never stripped and the pin would just be crimped onto the coating cause somebody wasn’t paying attention or didn’t care. Fun stuff

[@bat__bat]

Anything with Andy and I'm grateful! Love you down-to-earth guys. Andy's funny as a mf! 🤣Thank goodness for the work Tewsley does.

[@kinecty111]

That new Holland machine is identical in every way to the case machines in our fleet. Powertrain, chassis, instruments and all. No key switch you just sit on the seat and it powers up, hit the power button, start button and then the operate button to release the park brake. To shutoff hit the power button again. Do not hit the start button by accident you'll ruin the starter and the flywheel. Sigh. No seatbelt interlock, although on ours there's a hydraulic interlock for the door and draw bar being closed and down.

[@KarasCyborg]

Love the improvised unorthodox solutions. @29:00 I'm glad you didn't roll your tracks and crush your phone.

[@Morpheen999]

Good example of why keeping your equipment clean, helps it last longer

[@jacknimble1]

And on top of the rodent situation. Keeping baited traps in anything that sits for more than a week at a time is so important. Just did everything in my driveway and yard this past week again.

[@Keirrin79]

Next time, try some soapy water under the tracks to get it on and off the truck. I've seen it done before and it works great. Just dish washing liquid and some water in a spray bottle

[@mrtjbiga1784]

This video feels like a reminder, to start with the simplest thing first. When trying to fix anything

[@ionstorm66]

A relay test kit is a must these days. Lets you test in circuit, so you can test the relay and the wiring.

[@larrydavidson3402]

Pretty darn impressed with your diagnostics on this machine Rich. Not everyone is capable of doing this without a set of schematics of the wiring.

[@seggonscontractors588]

Best way to spend and rainy Sunday afternoon in England 💪 watching some middle-aged blokes mess around with heavey machinery just because 🤷‍♂️😂 love the content guys! Keep up the good work 👌👌👌

[@ryanroberts1104]

Reminds me of the lawnmower train I had to make to get my truck out of my own muddy yard. Managed to get 3 riders going with the safety's bypassed, each one tied to the one behind it. Doesn't seem that hard until you actually try and do it! Stupid 2wd pickup gets stuck on flat grass if I just whisper "moisture".

[@user-wm9pj2xj7z]

When the Edison motors truck is finished you should talk to the guys about checking out that truck it’s backyard built and Canadian! Hope we can get your thought on it

[@christophniggli4750]

That would be sweet

[@nathanbrickles6387]

After watching Ron Pratt with Midwest Truck youtube channel and then paying more attention to local tow truck drivers I am surprised to have not seen even the glimpse of a dawn dishwashing liquid bottle somewhere during the towing sequence

[@willtricks9432]

I have an early 70's Bobcat with a Deutz diesel key to start and a key to stop, all the wiring you need.

[@Porty1119]

And a Deutz! If there's a better engine for small, simple equipment, I haven't found it yet. Honorable mention to Kubota.

[@ram_diesel_power6039]

I use double walled clear heat shrink. They have extra glue and are clear so you can see if there is corrosion.

[@1one3_Racing]

Such a big machine for such a little bucket! In Australia every machine comes with no bucket and you buy an aftermarket 4 in 1 bucket. You CAN spec a factory bucket but they would probably have to order it in for you!

[@Rokonroller]

Got one, no key, just code if you want to use it. Left pillar mostly functions. Right side ignition & brakes. Like you say, when the entire electrical harness is in disarray, start removing tape…never underestimate the importance of the secondary ground at the battery that actually grounds the ignition switch. When it doesn’t make good connection it pops the ignition fuse. Excellent job bud!👊

[@barnhouseinc]

This is so good... Skid steers are always a pain to work on XD

[@WBOS72]

Amazing job Rich. I love how take the simple approach to wiring, pulling as much as you can, cleaning it up, testing and reinstalling. Great job.

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

I found those solid metal butt connectors a few years ago and never use anything else now. Glad to see you using them as well.

[@alphonsotate2982]

Under the seat there are two valves you can turn that allow the tracks to roll freely called wrenching valves I have them on my 1980 rubber tire New Holland loader the new track ones should have them also😀

[@CDR4132]

They dont

[@trevormansfield6495]

I really admire your perseverance with this!!!

[@The-Deadbolt-Deputy]

I love watching you troubleshoot Rich ! You are dam good at it. I enjoyed this. Thanks Rich

[@noberet]

Cool project! Thanks Rich!

[@randallyarborough7923]

Very nice job. That is tedious work and easy to make a mistake. Great video

[@Trydntru]

I wish you'd come straighten out my wiring on my '85 bronco. I did learn from your video. One of my favorite channels!

[@liftbikerun]

Maybe this was less impressive than I think it was, but this was awesome. I'm pretty handy and I can't imagine having figured that out. Good job!

[@DavidRoper-zf1ul]

you knocked that ball out of the ball park, that was wicked ! well done !

[@DGHD]

thanks!

[@NoWr2Run]

Ya, I got something out of this vid. YOU'RE AMAZING & I FEEL LIKE A TOTAL LOSER. I can't imagine the thinking & time involved in fixing that FREAKIN MESS, WOW. Plus you're so calm & you're so positive on everything. I wish I can be that way in fixing things but I'm always negative, thinking I SCREWED UP. I HAVE TOO CHANGE MY WAY OF THINKING, T.Y., LESSON LEARNED.

[@DGHD]

just do one thing at a time. block out everything else

[@NoWr2Run]

@@DGHD I have a power steering pump, water pump, thermo. & front struts to put on my Grand Prix shortly. I'll take your advice & remember how you tackle things, ONE AT A TIME. T.Y. SO MUCH DGHD. You know I think it comes from my Father, he always swore, bitched & complained when he had too do something he didn't want too do. ALWAYS FREAKIN NEGATIVE, ALWAYS. He bitched at me because I ALWAYS WANTED THINGS DONE THE RIGHT WAY. HE WAS RIP, TEAR, BUST SHIT & JUST MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL. HELL HE'S STILL THAT WAY AT 80 YEARS OLD, LMAO. WE DON'T WORK WELL TOGETHER, AT ALL. THANKS AGAIN, SIR.

[@builtbyme]

The feeling of that engine starting. Wiring is a different ballgame that people hate. I dont mind it, especially when it works. Nice job as usual.

[@tjpetersen9535]

Got one of those at work. I think ours is newer with even more electronic controls. No key on ours but the power button is the equivalent of turning they key to the run position.

[@lukejaffe2533]

The insulted crimp connectors should be crimped with the rounded crimper next to the pointed one so it doesn’t pierce the insulation

[@Kersean]

I love the projects on DGHD

[@Jacob-qz2mo]

Love the perseverance mate, CNH track loaders and Skid-steers can be a wiring nightmare. Just FYI if you haven’t already worked it out, the big 60amp fuse is main voltage supply for the glow plugs only. The heavy sealed relay that was close by in the dirt is the glow plug relay. The relay base that you found the spread spade in, that’s located in the back of the cab is for the condenser fan. Your model didn’t have HVAC so not used. There is usually a bullet style ignition back feed diod taped to the harness on the LH side of the chassis. Usually corrodes and give’s grief. Also on some of the models with that style harness they used to hide 3x 3amp earth fuses for the relays in a wether pack plug that looked like a blanking plug, back LH side of the chassis just down from the hyd filter. Good luck with the machine 👍👍

[@ronlind1757]

New Holland dealer here in Midwest said... some years back, most of the laid off Ford engineers went over to New Holland... 😂😂🤣

[@Zzus321]

Should have put a block and tackle on the skid steer and doubled the winchs power

[@alexaprelude]

Yours just a genius!!! Wish got someone like you around here 😢😢😢

[@bobcatmike9285]

I deal with a lot of rotten electrical issues in brand new machines because they sit in water and completely burred in mud

[@NoWr2Run]

I HOPE YOU GET PAID VERY WELL, SIR.

[@kevinsok3011]

Nicely done man. I'm just curious, did you verify that the glow plugs aren't running continuously with that relay jumped? I'm assuming they'd have some sort of controller, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to check.

[@neilrensen8950]

It’s not a bad machine, well worth the trouble. The previous version had serious track drive problems, but not this one. That wiring mess would scare me… you’re a braver man than me!

[@TheBrandonbmw]

Rich , if you push the power button the column when it’s running it should turn it off , it’s the same as the case we use all the time

[@Slipprymongoose]

God see I would see that mess and freak out but seeing you do it didn’t seem so bad and in the end it’s pretty much factory and looks correct.

[@scrotiemcboogerballs1981]

Great video thanks for sharing

[@drivewayworkz]

I feel the pain, case is the same machine just painted a different power tan yellow, we just ended up changing the harnesses, ended up being cheaper for the customer.

[@Slman51]

Lots and lots of patience! !!

[@chrishastings2665]

I repair ATVs and sleds, but what you did this episode is one of the most gratifying things I do. As frustrating as it can be. Lol

[@austinseubert6047]

No sure if anyone mentioned it but when u sit in the seat that only wakes the dash up u have to hit the power button for it to truly power everything up. Then to turn unit off simply hit the power button again

[@eoinbutler7829]

That relay not coming on is a common fault with them Dash pieces giving up. Dash in them control alot of different pieces fairly common for them to just randomly give up with out warning. New ones have to be configured to the machine settings also. And you are correct in saying wiring is shite in them and there was a upgrade to move the location of the fuse boxs.

[@Sugarkryptonite]

We had a Case TV380 which is the same machine but with eletronic joysticks instead of the regular sticks like you see on this NH. We actually took the harness that went under the engine and chopped it in half, and re-routed it on top of the motor, spliced every wire back together. Completely idiotic design by CNH. Oh, and then one day the machine went crazy and started moving on its own with the operator inside, almost hit the side of a house we were working at. $5000 later at the local Case dealership and 4 months and it came back working with a new ECU. Got rid of that thing as fast as possible.

[@Maseraux]

The tool in the middle of those blue handled dikes are FOR insulated terminals. cutter>ins. Connector> Bare connector

[@PatFarrellKTM]

Great video. Too many technicians are terrified of wiring looms, so maybe this will help them learn.

[@Look_What_You_Did]

Why?

[@shaung638]

I would say that has much more to do with labor rates and reliability. New harness has much less chance of coming apart right after the repair.

[@franciscomory5104]

Nice work

[@andrewmccaskill2845]

24:50 another perfectly priceless face that deserved to be put on a shirt and sold.

[@scowell]

The big thing I got was... patience. I'd a been ready to chuck it soon enough... you da man.

[@rickanderson4459]

But you have patience of Jobe to figure that wiring debacle out. Nice!!!

[@lamachine001]

Cnh skid steer electrical is a nightmare. Found one time on a case the ground for the relay are fused. The relay is inside the cab and those fuse are in the engine bay.

[@barntech2291]

Good job! Always hard to follow behind someone who hacked things up. You have to fix everything they butchered before you fix the real problem.

[@n5407c]

best use yet for vinyl siding

[@minnesotatomcat]

I wish everyone would just go to deutsch connectors. They’re so nice to work with 👍

[@minnesotatomcat]

There is no more abused and neglected machines than skid loaders. People will service and clean every other piece of equipment but skids just get beat on and neglected until they won’t run anymore and they’re so damn dirty that nobody wants to work on them.

[@whiskeyinthejar24]

Glue lined heatshrink is much better for sealing joints from water ingress. You will also get good results using a variable temp heat gun instead of commonly using a gas torch for heatshrink in general. That way you can heat it evenly without burning it. When getting those bare brass spade crimps, make sure they are good quality, I'm not sure if utilux is available in the Americas, that's the go to here. The ones i got with a fuse box online were very flimsy. When using crimps you haven't used befire, particularly bigger ones, get extras and practice, including destructive testing. A common issue here in Australia is places sell automotive cable in AWG sizing, but lugs and hex crimpers are in mm2 as you would find in power cabling for buildings etc. I've seen people say its ok to use 4awg in a 25mm2 lug. I tried one, couldn't pull the cable out with pliers, but it in half, no cold weld, it came out. With thermo cycling and vibration, that might have lasted a week, a year, no idea, but it wasn't correct.

[@christopherwebber1104]

Wire toners work well to but they usually have to be done on open circuits

[@GIGABACHI]

Another fine opportunity to replicate the Burning Man Festival but in a Canadian Farm ! Douse that thing on gasoline and light it up on 🔥 ! What a nightmare ! The proverbial Rats Nest ! 🤦‍♂️💀👎 Well done, Rich ! Another victory for Team Boss ! 👏

[@randomname4726]

Bad wiring is painful. Great job.

[@madrew2003]

Andy, Kevin. You find the funniest sidekicks. lol

[@jtgrec3179]

Every time you get something to run, your reactions make me think of Tom Hanks starting a fire for the first time in Cast Away😂

[@dcrog69]

I like those wire connectors, going to have to get some . I always rip the waterproof ones and dabbing it with liquid electrical tape then end up getting liquid electrical tape everywhere.

[@williamsmith286]

Got a simular situation with a 2000 E-250 wheelchair van. Disabled Vet got a so called good deal, just hoping to get the rest of it working....

[@SpikeKastleman]

Glad y'all are getting some rain over there in Ontrio. Us Bitish Conbeens Are having a lack of it lately. Fires e'rywhere!

[@donalddarbonne779]

You are braver than me. I would be starting from scratch on the wiring.

[@ohnoitisnt]

That equipment load just kept getting better haha Always a laugh and the chain hook joke... And the only issue was a headful of gravel

[@CDR4132]

I’m sure you figured it out but that arm on the injection pump you had apart is actually the cold start advance the fuel shut off is the on the top side of the pump.

[@westonwaters7984]

got one of these brand new and 83 hours later complete harness and 8 months in shop. immediately traded

[@jefferyholcombe5189]

Have an uncle that worked as an executive on the board of Kubota and they had wiring set up similar as what is on that Skid stir you have and they did it because there was some prototype's that could be remotely controlled by a radio controlled interface that would allow the operator to be away from the machine while they operated it on an extreme grade or situation where the operator would not be safe in the cab of the vehicle but could be close to the machine while it is operated! By the way this was back in the 1990's time frame!

[@SoupyOatmeal]

Just watching you work and fix the unfixable makes for a great video as far as I am concerned.I really thought you wrer going to put a cover plate on the bottom to improve the machine.

[@Eremon1]

Wiring sucks to being with. Somebody else's wiring is a whole level down on the poop depth meter. Still have nightmares about chasing trailer wiring demons myself. Some folks ideas of "repair" are much different from mine. 😅

[@gchris1642]

What I learned from the video, any electrical issues in a New Holland: Rip out all the wires and start from scratch

[@DGHD]

Nailed it. Lots of forums with people that have similar issues and no solutions. Couple of them saying they just sold the machine

[@LaLaLand.Germany]

28:15 Just made my day a little brighter. Thanks Rich! Say Hi to Kitty from me, please.

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

Thank you for "a kick in the head will just make them smarter". What a nice way to say someone is brain dead, which is a nice way to call someone moronic. I went to college to design better cars. Turns out the engineers design things "poorly" to keep owners from working on their vehicles, and making big bucks from maintenance contracts and dealer mechanics. That harness under the drivetrain was a great example of this. Did a contract with a "vertical transportation" company whose engineers took great pains to ensure their equipment was easy to work on. Most of the engineers had be technicians before getting their educations, so they knew the right way to design equipment.

[@_Otaku-kt8be]

Not all heat shrink is created equal if you want to keep moisture out use MSD Heat shrink with glue inside of it.

[@stevemerrick102]

well im impressed with your wiring skills and i will not be buying a new holland , !!!! thanks for all your video,s very entertaining with whatever you put your mind too ,

[@brahmvandop100]

As a former Case mechanic fixing electrical problems on those skidsteers showed which mechanics had perseverance.

[@DGHD]

I've heard that a lot. Kevin warned me as he had experience

[@Celician83]

My old boss had a late 80's small wheeled Bobcat that the wiring had caught fire on shortly after he got it, still uses it to this day after he did away with everything except the necessities for it to run. No gauges, no safeties, just glow plugs, fuel pump, fan, and ignition switch. Just can't use it anywhere where OSHA shows up 😉

[@wyattsaemrow3475]

They must have tried replacing the corner post at some point which would explain some of the confusing wiring.

[@MatthewJRedmond]

And all that crap in the bottom is why I believe manufacturers need to make skidsteers like dozers in that they have full length belly pans so you can open it to work on and clean out. Also yes from what I've seen Case/New Holland skidsteers are known for wiring issues.

[@kevhouse55]

I'm pretty sure a snap ring on each side and pull out the sun gear and it would have free wheeled.... But the way you did it was something....

[@Saltshaker2016]

Is there a reason you don’t use the shrink connectors with the solder built in? No crimping, just heat to shrink and solder in one step.

[@northeasterndirtandpropert7974]

I never liked being beaten by the machine.It was always a great feeling to overcome on a job like this where someone else walked away.Tradesman are not at all created equal.This is a good example,nice work.

[@douglasthompson2740]

have you tried the heat gun solder butt connectors with heat shrink? Best thing going for a good connection that will last in nasty environments. Only bad thing is they only make the butt connectors so far. No terminals. They came out a couple of years ago and I am sold. I used to hand solder every connection and slip heat shrink with silicone on them. Can't tell you the number of times I forgot the heat shrink or was forced to have it too close and it shrunk before it was in place. These are the cat's meow (ask him!).

[@IR-nq4qv]

Rich, that was a nice job of sorting and persevering through an unfamiliar mess. Is there any chance of an update on the VW square back street rod build? Thanks in advance

[@DGHD]

video is being edited right now. tons of progress

[@IR-nq4qv]

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@DGHD

[@andrewfreer5797]

Cat did the same on the early machine ecus were under your feet

[@mattharrell4]

I don’t think there’s anything Rich can’t fix or build. If the apocalypse hit’s he’ll just say “here we go” with a grin and carry on.

[@halfdane]

Do you have a video dealing with the 4431 code? Do you know a temporary bypass of the parking brake solenoid? Thanks for any help.

[@ronp499]

Thanks genius 😂😂😂😂😂😂 that made my day