Case 430 Skid Steer Fell Over... Now the Engine Makes a Funny Noise

Kevin's Case 430 Skid Steer won't run right after falling on its side. Can we fix the 4.5 FPT?
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0:00 Case 430 makes a funny noise
5:41 Injector stuck
11:21 One new injector, all new hardware
19:00 After a day of work
20:38 Testing injectors ...again
26:03 Compression test
33:18 Will new injectors make a difference?
37:39 After another day of work
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[@brianbouley2117]

Hate seeing Kevin have bad luck, but I always enjoy videos with him in them.

[@FoolOfATuque]

Farming is just a series of unfortunate events

[@OUSWKR]

Bad luck for Kevin means good content for us 😂

[@omegagavin]

Love Kevin. He’s seems like a really good dude and pretty funny as well.

[@N-V-B]

Agreed! More Kevin videos! Maybe he can fix the piston slap on his combine next!

[@captnredbeard]

Their banter is the best

[@lppuckster1298]

Always enjoy the segments with Kevin. Kevin and Rich together are dynamite!

[@erichayes9192]

Guys you know you can't just go tractor tippin without causing some damage

[@ctdieselnut]

Lol. On another note, cow tipping isnt a real thing.

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@ctdieselnutthat’s literally the point, in case you weren’t aware board stretchers are not a real thing either but it’s still funny to send the new guy to go look for it.

[@lewispaine4589]

I remember seeing a bent connecting rod on the counter of a rental shop years ago from "hydraulic locking", machine flipped over, oil drained into the cylinders, oil wouldn't compress when engine started after being set on it's wheels again , a lesson learned by many who saw that con-rod no doubt

[@tomjohnson6036]

“What are you expecting Kevin?” “I’m expecting there’s going to be a sequel to this video.” I was thinking that same exact thing when I heard the motor cranking.

[@jasont.5523]

That was the best line of the whole video. Haha

[@JasonSmith-vd1sz]

Another great video. I hate to see Kevin‘s misfortune, but listening to you guys. diagnosis the motor is like attending a masters class in mechanical engineering. Well done.

[@DGHD]

Thank you

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

I had one of these once came in with a miss. Took forever to figure it out because nobody said it'd been tipped over, but it ended up having low compression. Pulled the head and had one piston that didn't come up even with the deck. The oil in the cylinder didn't compress but the connecting rod sure did.

[@noshsreqd]

I would concur with the bent rod diagnosis. Had a friend ask me for help a few years back with a small Kubota excavator that went over on its side and as soon as it was upright they started it and went back to work but it was smoking a lot. As soon as they told me what happened I suggested they probably had a bent rod. Well their mechanic had already replaced the injectors, pump and even pulled the head to machine the valves but never looked to see if all the pistons were coming up to the same height on the deck. So we pulled the pan and measured the bottom of the skirt to the bottom of the cylinder on each one and sure enough two of the four were coming down lower in the bore.

[@Adam_Poirier]

Kevin is the man

[@486kyle]

37:50 when it is running you can see the high speed screw on the injection pump spinning in the vibration, maybe it got run at well over governed rpm

[@bonedaddy4670]

Kevin’s back! Love the HD channel.

[@Mr87corey]

Love it when Kevin's on!

[@leemer1]

That compression tester not holding a reading is the most annoying thing ever.

[@WhyBeNick]

I'm not sure what it is about compression testing gauges. No matter the brand, they're all trash.

[@jakewaters5563]

@@WhyBeNick not hating on you but my cheap ass hobo freight one does. Don’t really work on diesels so it’s the gas one but still

[@critterfurball5586]

I really like you and Kevin working

[@theglitch99]

DeBoss and friends can fix ANYTHING mechanical! IMPRESSIVE!!

[@madcat4563]

Welcome back to the skidsteer factory.

[@Dagrond]

So you have to be a machinist, mechanic and probably a doctor to be a farmer? Hat's off to the practical approach you all exhibit. Also, Rich owes you a beer.

[@DGHD]

I got mine running properly first. Kevin owes me a beer

[@herbertsorenson3400]

Love the videos. Keep in mind that engine is a backwards built cummins Case calls an Iveco. Cummins parts will fit mostly the same, but I am not sure about the oversized piston sets as the iveco has two sets in metric sizes. Experience from doing the same engine in the same machine from this winter. And also the injection pump is a tapered fit onto the gear, no woodruff key on the shaft.

[@mikescott1307]

Yes Kevin is a very likable guy and obviously a hard working guy..best of luck with things guys!

[@LaLaLand.Germany]

You two back on a project made my day. You´re always smiling and laughing, this positiv attitude together with knowing Your stuff is just nice to watch. But give the poor thing a wash, skidsteers have feelings, too. Maybe it just feels so ...used to make it go "Meh, I need a brake". Say Hi to Kitty, kind regards

[@Modlendingen]

Great to see Kevin again on the channel, just to bad he's always so unlucky :p But as always, I guess he's getting it going right again, at last :)

[@TheBrokenLife]

It's not nice to sneak up on skid steers when they're sleeping and knock them over like that... ...especially if they've been drinking. 😆

[@ericthimot]

Case tipping..... so cruel

[@TheBrokenLife]

@@ericthimot *steer tipping. 🤣

[@ericthimot]

@@TheBrokenLife omg.... you win. That was soooo much better

[@TheBrokenLife]

@@ericthimot Scared the poor thing so bad that it even wet itself...

[@Woodie-xq1ew]

I bet he wouldn’t try it with a bobcat

[@macfarms]

These are a FPT 4.5L engine, kind of a cross between the 4BT and newer 4.5L Cummins engines.

[@horakrepair2546]

Pull head, check piston protrusion...... some will run pretty good especially while warm or higher rpm. Slight bend in rod is my guess. The bend will often cause the bearing to have an angled oil clearance, this will cause bearing and journal contact and fast wear on one journal.

[@Tommy65i]

There is a small cover on the pump hiding the fuel pressure spring/spool. If you take the tamper proof cover off and take a punch. Mark it a 1/16 hammer down on the plugger. down on the relief. Will raise the pumps internal pressure. I work for case and had an old timer showed me that trick.

[@DonVDBorgh]

Keep the dirty side down! That is what was always said in trucking. 👍

[@HanhiEmo]

Sounds like Launch control banging on limiter 😁

[@FishFind3000]

That 2 step

[@hanselgretel8563]

It's amazing how they diagnose things on how they break or fail or whatever. Nothing can easily replace the knowledge from years and years of exerience. Respect!

[@Eremon1]

Kevin's farm is starting to sound like a nemesis. He's got to owe you a whole Tim's franchise by now Rich. 🤣

[@juanfo7307]

Farming is a series of unofortunate events

[@jacksgarageworkshop]

Wait, Kevin finally gets a concrete floor, we haven’t seen it and you guys end up in an even worse shop. Epic.

[@servicioelectromecanicocue7025]

Fun fact. Today i have to go to towing a older Nissan 720, here in mexico "Nissan estacas", the truck tips over in a ditch, and yes, now the engine make fun noises

[@vanguy7810]

Bent connecting rod. When it tipped over, oil leaked to top of one or more cylinders. If you did not remove glow plugs or injectors to release oil before cranking engine, she hydrolocked and bent one or more rods. Remove head and measure TDC of each piston

[@michellericard4850]

I think when it rolled, it swished gunk around in the fuel system and it made the needle stick

[@mathewtodd480]

I love that giant ass crescent wrench

[@brandonfloyd6321]

I bought a 02 ford ranger 4 cylinder that the head was partially took apart on online so i found the original owner said it needed valves so removed the head and didnt see a thing wrong with valves. Cleaned head off and the rear combustion chamber looked sand blasted so looked at rear piston and it was just a fraction lower in the cylinder than the rest so it had a bent rod. Bought a newer wrecked truck for the engine and since it was newer i had to reuse the intake, fuel rail and injectors. Finally got it started and made a loud noise then had a missfire so checked compression and one was 20psi off. I guess a injector was stuck open and bent a rod in both engines. 😢😂

[@johantryggvesson83]

love when you guys work on kevin's machines 👍🏻

[@anthonyblacker8471]

Ahh the old Princess Auto, here in the States we call her Harbor Freight (other names exist as well but I'll leave that to your imagination) I will say though, the Maddox brand, although very low priced, seem to actually get the job done very well for the price. Yes I prefer American made industrial tools, but sometimes, especially for a one time use (maybe once every few or 5 years) they really do work just fine.

[@Kowyn]

430s are good machines, only common issues I've hear are the fuel filter bracket cracking due to vibration and the hard plastic fuel lines getting tiny cracks and pulling air into the pump causing missfires. One at work has AC and it's ice cold, before the 430 we had a Thomas T133, also a good machine but the 430 runs circles around the Thomas.

[@allthingsoliver]

Always enjoy the videos with Kevin! The two of you are a great pair on camera.

[@jakeschmidt4871]

Yea those cold starting advances never really worked great ever until warm. Changed solenoid once and only helped short term. Dont use cnh reman injectors they use soft china steel on injector tips and wear out really premature. From personal experience, had some new reman fail out of box too..

[@bborkzilla]

Funny noises always sound like money through a shredder to me...

[@user-tp6xw6zl8t]

The two of you , make for very interesting and enjoyable viewing

[@diederickr]

I just bought an excavator advertised as smokey, tried injectors, then did compression test, 2 low cylinders. 2 bent rods.

[@chrisegan327]

6bt conversion 🤠

[@h276wah7]

A good diagnosis, always made better when you have a good friend/colleague with experience to discuss a theory with.. (no such thing as coincidence - I agree Rich)

[@jimlondon1]

Your mate Kevin is a stand out guy. 👍 always good to see him in your videos.

[@mrb1864]

Well we be seeing more of Kevin and the Case 430 which be a good thing for us . Hopefully some good one liners and engine tips/tricks to come . What not so good is Kevin getting a bit loose with the purse, man a whole new set of injectors, that so not farmer like :-)

[@kevinoscarson2941]

Fyi the timing advance on the injection pumps in the 400 series case were notoriously for failure. The iveco engines also don’t run a key on the injection pump gear, so they can slip and loose time.

[@crudnick]

The real question is how did it get tipped 🤣🤣

[@c2c0rider]

Cracking vid - always enjoy Kevin content!

[@garydault8805]

I like the Kevin farm repair videos always entertaining 😂

[@marscruz]

Great to see Kevin again. Good neighbors are the best.

[@callumdobbs3493]

Worked it so hard it meeded a lau down 🤣

[@eddiereichel9354]

I'm voting for bent rod from oil and or fuel in cylinder

[@juanfo7307]

Shoulda cleaned out the bores first or at least scoped it?

[@TokyoCraftsman]

It’s great to see Kevin, I hope he gets his skid steer fixed. Cheers from Tokyo!

[@JonRikhard]

Whenever you two are in a video together, it's bound to be a good one 😂👍

[@grahamsmith6474]

Just what your videos need……… More, Kevin! He deserves a medal.

[@vickestr794]

Great seeing more content on the HD channel. Bummed for kevin though, hope the driver did not get hurt. Have gotten the impression that the skid steers can be a bit bumpy.😬

[@ericmorin9613]

I was cooking on my stovetop while you were trying to do the compression test. I could not figure out for the life of me why my oven was beeping 😂

[@iowaoliverguy]

I want the 1365 Cockshutt sitting next to the skid steer!

[@douglasmayherjr.5733]

Great Video. Looks like a normal day on a farm. Thanks for the Videos.

[@gerardsteenbeek9327]

4:39 minutes in. I had a new Holland skidsteer doing the same and I know what the camporee is… love this channel!

[@einfelder8262]

Apart from the diesel smoke there was oil smoke from the exhaust the whole time. Low compression on one cylinder identifies where it's coming from, likely scored liner and broken rings, and possibly bent rod, but could easily be all of the above. Running away on it's side is not a recipe for keeping an engine in good order...

[@dknust9]

We had a gehl skid loader I flipped. Same issue. Ended up being tweaked valves. A good head work and runs good again.

[@dalegawne5286]

more kevin please

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

If you have water in your fuel supply or tanks, an additive for it should be used on all the engines in the fleet. Considering that you run this machine all the time, but it was second hand, I would just assume that any second hand equipment has the sludge of doom in the fuel tank and water as well, especially farm equipment. Since it all is stored outside/in barns, some is filled with cans, and all of the engines are old/rebuilt I would just assume that the fuel can get compromised in every piece of equipment. Just run the additive in all of them and lower your equipment downtime. You will also lower the money and time spent on fixing equipment because of fuel quality issues. Yes, your per hour cost for running the equipment will go up potentially, but in the long run you will save money since less stuff will break. Not full applicable to this situation since this engine got flipped, but the flip might not have caused any problems had all of those tanks of fuel that had been run through the skid steer had the additive that addressed this contaminant and others. Long term dilution, basically, of what sludge was in the tank.

[@thethepete731]

I'm thinking you shortened a rod.

[@joedennison2972]

Another classic w Kevin! Sorry for the bad luck.

[@Modlendingen]

Hope to see Kevin on the channel again soon :)

[@mullrump2]

Thank God Kevins back!!

[@DGHD]

He lever left, we are just busy guys is all

[@keithmunz4160]

Yea Kevin is back!!!!!!!

[@jbrownjetmech-4783]

Every man knows that to have his injector stuck on the nut isn't always a bad thing. Most of the time it works out just fine.

[@cromagnon305]

I spent a day chasing a misfire with very random compression readings on one cyl, turned out to be a broken valve spring, it sealed during the compression tests and ran decent on idle but missed on higher rpm

[@FishFind3000]

Bad injector could have hydro locked the cylinder and it split the piston or broke some rings.

[@joernd8449]

I work on a case 930 comfort king that was knocking. 3 of the pistons were almost broken off at the piston rings because of bad injectors

[@calholli]

Moral of the story--- if you dump it over, immediately pull the injectors before you crank it over. It blows out anything that's in the cylinders and prevents it from hydro locking and bending a rod.

[@TASTYTREATSPLS]

Kevin is the best.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

42:34 and they say the 318 was under rated but this super slant 6 is a proper speed boat motor 😉

[@danielbremner7805]

As it turns out, both of your theories were correct!

[@crezychameau]

Oh man, I hope you're gonna make it all better again when you have the time, Kevin seems so down at the end :(

[@bbro6154]

I believe that it WAS from the lay-over. Sediment in the fuel tank got stirred up and got sucked into the pump etc

[@victorbitter583]

That's only half the story.

[@jeepanimal2943]

Sweet 1365......Big fan of Cockshutt, Massey and Versatile. You know, Canadian makes. Dang shame about the little Cummins. Here's the chance to do a DeBoss rebuild video.........

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

11:27 PrincessAuto is great

[@mikesmith-yc3os]

very interesting video great content guys

[@beunniemand]

The problem with these FPT engines are the injection pumps. There is a electronic valve on the side which is for timing advance, these need to be removed and put a normal spring and plate in by a diesel service. The injectors got stuck because the roller plate in the injector pump wears out and metal shavings get the needle stuck. Ive encountered these problems dozends of times. Kind regards from the Netherlands.

[@benschlack5814]

Nice fix

[@timothymilam732]

There is someone who has the same luck I have, and I was beginning to think it was just me. Not that I wish that on him or anyone else, because it really sucks to go to all the headache of doing everything else only to have it fail in the end anyways. It is what it is, but dam it gets old quickly, especially when it happens every time.

[@ryanhacker9444]

Kevin is the GOAT

[@ronsommer9409]

@2:59 The oil pressure light coming on when the key was turned on only means that the oil pressure bulb is not burned out. It does not mean that the oil pressure sensor or wiring is working.

[@joernd8449]

Oil pressure sensors fail causing a false light. (The light coming on all the time) This is to prevent one from failing and you not being aware that it failed potentially causing damage from an actual low oil pressure situation.

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

You can kinda cheat with diesels and misfires. I bought a FLIR C5 camera for finding misfires fast, and it works awesome.

[@TheBks573]

Kevin the content creator!

[@clintcowles7563]

Northern Michigan here. VanKalker construction. Petoskey Michigan. We just had our Kubota skidsteer tip over. Our shop guy had to come to the job and tear apart to top half of the engine. Oil in the cylinders from laying over like that. Just saying.

[@matthewgray3375]

Kevin has the best tractors, those fiat built cockshutts are awesome, seems every developing country uses them

[@stephengordon576]

Kevin is the best! LOL

[@PeeterPuncher]

the moral to the story is listen to Rich.

[@trevormansfield6740]

Great guy that Kevin

[@mjmcomputers]

Yep it’s done.

[@haydenwilliams1750]

14:26 when it's cranking you can hear one cylinder is off, it sounds like it dwells a bit on that cylinder.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

Like it's over fueled?

[@haydenwilliams1750]

@@BurchellAtTheWharf To me it sounds like something is binding, I don't think it's fuel related.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

@@haydenwilliams1750 well with the compression that low on #2 it's probably closer to worse case scenario

[@haydenwilliams1750]

@@BurchellAtTheWharf Yeah, if it was on its side running on its own oil you'd have to be very lucky to get away with that damage free! I wish Kevin the best, with that knock at the end I imagine they'll be going motor shopping at V&R.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

@@haydenwilliams1750 V&R does love their business 😆, hope it's nothing major but I think it's gonna be a trilogy of saga fer this poor ole case. Water and dirt, the only natural enemy if a Cummins

[@GIGABACHI]

Glad for Kevin and his bank account. 😂👍 Edit: OH SNAP ! When I wrote my comment I hadn't finished the video, I had only watched to when he tried the used injector and it ran better. Well, that sucks. Good luck, Kevin ! 👍

[@R.Sole88109]

Time for a 5.9 in 430😎😆

[@stumpy990]

These older diesel's were not meant to run on low sulfur diesel. They need that additive to make up for the lubricity