New Hornby Class 21 LMS Pug | Unboxing & Review

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[@brianartillery]

The 'Pug' was one of the two classic 'Starter' engines when I was a kid - the other being the 3F 0-6-0 'Jinty'.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you're right - those are real classics! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jacobrobert9561]

Wasnt Jinty and Pug also the names of the engines that percy knew in the railway series

[@elijahvasquez7641]

@@jacobrobert9561 i think they were the ones henry kicked out of the sheds in percy takes a plunge

[@zepvtbird2024]

@@elijahvasquez7641 they're also the ones who came to help out while Thomas and Friends were away in the Big City, in Eight Famous Engines I think

[@elijahvasquez7641]

@@zepvtbird2024 havent read much of the railway series, but i think i remember that

[@barronTV1]

I had a BR one 10 years ago that sadly died and went missing, was my favourite train, loved it even more than my A4, so I just bought a new LMS one based on your review. Thanks Sam. Really wish they did one with a L&Y livery.

[@E350tb]

My dad had one of these. Ten years ago. The cab fell off.

[@SamsTrains]

haha - based on mine, I'm not surprised to hear that! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@overcookeddonut1894]

8:28 makes sense

[@Adam17805]

Sorry to hear that Is he alright?

[@Adam17805]

Elijah Smith ah a copy (This means war)

[@Drewioawesome]

Wow sucks to be you then

[@Louis_notLewis]

This decade ends with a Pug... A freaking pug!

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - sorry about that! ;D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@justadudeontheinternet8354]

Ngl don't know why you're complaining, the pugs adorable.

[@leewaymodels]

Technically the decade ends in 2020. You can still have hope.

[@iceeblueburst03]

The name “Pug” obviously reminds me of a dog breed. We got ourselves the widdle widdle Pug. :3

[@SamsTrains]

haha absolutely!! ;D

[@wimpret]

It’s a pug :D

[@corbinb5410]

Sam'sTrains I have two pugs in real life

[@craigthe]

Widdle pugs are so cute :)

[@callumk5]

I remember when this was re-released about 20 years ago. The model press loved it at the time for its detail and slow speed running, but you’re right; it’s always been full of character and a good seller for Hornby. I guess that’s why they’ve released it again now to help boost their financial situation and fair play to them. The ‘dumb buffers’ are prototypical btw and were usually just huge lumps of wood.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh is that so? Yes it's still a good looking engine, if extremely dated now! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@jamfjord]

I used to see one of the two preserved prototypes at a heritage railway quite often, and the dumb buffers always made me smile - about as basic as you can get. I have the Dapol model and always felt it was a shame it has normal buffers. I found a dumb buffers kit at Light Railway Stores so I might upgrade them (or downgrade them?)

[@jamesbyersmusic]

I had a Pug twenty years ago and never had any problems with it at all. The Pug, Jinty and Compound were my pride and joy back them. I've since moved over to GWR, but I occasionally run my LMS stuff every now and again and the Pug still runs perfectly.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear that James - 20 years ago they were considered excellent models - I think they still have value today, but not necessarily as part of Hornby's main (expensive) range! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@harryjsedgwick]

4:49 Well, Sam. In little detailed Black Rail Lambs (out of Hornby’s PUG 0-4-0ST) the way I used for, is Yellow gloss paint (just little tin, not is big) to Little dot it of with a cocktail stick right on the front of middle little circle of Black Rail Lamb, (now carefully not too much) then to put on the Mainline Locomotive in same fleet is Steam Rail-tour working.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh sounds cool Harry - thanks for this! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@CZ350tuner]

I motorised the Airfix model kit Pug months before Dapol released this RTR version on the market. Used Romford wheels and had the same type of motor that Dapol used but with a Romford 50:1 worm drive. I even managed to install Hornby Zero One DCC inside the water tank on it and it's still in use on my layout over 20 years later. I also bought a Dapol Pug a few years later. The "Pointing Man" was included in the Dapol version plus the lamps, so the Hornby version is exactly the same. My Dapol Pug has been run on Rovex Series 0, Triang Railways Series 1, Series 2, Series 3, Triang Hornby Super 4, System 6 and Hornby Series 7 plus Peco, Farish and Gem track. It has problems with frogs on all makes of points unless they are live frog types, usually due to tilting as it drops a wheel into the gap.

[@SamsTrains]

Very nice Andy - no doubt yours will have been superior! Thanks a lot for the info, duly noted! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@DouglasParkinson]

Re the wooden buffers: they are referred to as "dumb buffers", I believe they were designed to be cheap, easily replaced and big enough to handle poor track without suffering from buffer lock as would be a risk with conventional buffers. I think they would be replaced with buffers featuring larger heads further along in history.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Douglas for the info on that, appreciate it! Very interesting to see those on a model for a change! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@CB22513]

Beautiful little thing. The buffers on those things were in fact made of wood. The Caledonian Pugs, such as Smokey Joe, had similar buffers before the 1940's, when BR just bolted sprung buffers to the fronts of their existing block buffers.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for confirming that Aaron - appreciate the info! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@Mariazellerbahn]

10:57 The buffers are known as "Dumb Buffers" and were made of solid hardwood. Locos so fitted were for yard or internal use only and not allowed out main line.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Al for the info on those - very interesting!! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@alancarpenter2070]

Hi Sam, the L&Y pug is a lovely looking loco, full of character. I have always liked it. The buffers are correct, and were made from hardwood blocks and called "Dumb Buffers." The original model of the Pug was a "Kitmaster" plastic kit, way back in the early sixties, or maybe even earlier. That kit passed to "Airfix," then to "Dapol" where it still resides as a kit. The working model started life at "Airfix," then "Dapol," and now "Hornby," as you stated. Maybe "Hornby" copied the chassis from the kit. As far back as I can remember, you could buy a motorising kit for it. The kit would make up into a good "Scrap Loco," for scenery. I would buy one. It's not as small as the "R&H 48DS" and you could always add a shunting truck with pickups. Regards, Alan.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Alan, I do enjoy these too! Blimey, I didn't know this existed in some form before Dapol produced them - good lord!! Thanks for the info, Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@nathanantwhistle3869]

I got the BR railway when I was in England. I call mine Patty; like fish patty. She helps out in the shunting yards and often takes helps out at the quarry.

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's awesome - what a great name too! Do you like yours? :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@ArthurAndNormandyFan1]

An interesting little loco great video Sam. It's very satisfying to see it at slow speed when it works.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot mate, yes the slow speed was unexpectedly good! :O Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@daveyorkvh]

At 6:18 I spotted Smokey Joe. I have one of those locos and I have to say i find it to be a lovely little engine. It is very fast and I have owned mine 25 years now and never had a problem with it or lost any performance.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh yeah well spotted - they really are lovely little engines! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@almelling6699]

This takes me back 50years to Lancashire Model and Miniature Railways gauge one live steam Jinty sold in Kit form, my god what a thing it was.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh wow - that must have been astonishing for back then!! :O Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@nicolaiitchenko7610]

Thank you for this review... I bought one of these about fourteen (?) years ago and have had quite an adventure with it over that time. My layout is a freelance, Australian based, 1970's era industrial and the loco was the only small 0-4-0 available for the longest time. Smokey Joe was not deemed suitable and it was only the release of the Peckett that I finally got a second British locomotive style for the layout. I do still have a Baltimore and Ohio 0-4-0 from Mantua which is currently some forty three years old and still running strong. My Hornby Pug has had its motor replaced by an excellent and somewhat more powerful Tenshodo can type motor, that gives excellent slow speed control, is painted black and a bit hidden by details and crew, and the body cavity has had about 30 grams of lead shot added to it making the chassis a bit vulnerable to wear. This was solved bu slightly carving out the plastic axle holding slots and adding a small, thin, brass shim, curved to fit. The bottom plate was replaced by fiberglass board which came from a PCB but had the copper removed on the inner face. The loco today still works the abattoir and meat works area of the industrial layout (Lovett's Meat Products. - Still the best man made pies in the world) enjoy the references... Happy New Year

[@SamsTrains]

My pleasure Frank - yes it's a handy engine if the standard Hornby 0-4-0s are unsuitable - and with the updates you've given yours, I can imagine the improvement being huge! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@MarMightyGood]

Speaking of The Pecketts and Barclays, I wish manufacturers would offer these 0-4-0s undecorated. Small shunters were often privately owned and if you want to represent a locally-owned and operated engine you currently need to remove or paint over a livery that you paid good money for.

[@SamsTrains]

That'd be very interesting indeed - have you submitted that suggestion to Hatton's? :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@Alex9655]

The buffers were made of wood on these. It was seen as a cost saving measure for a shunting loco that wasn't going to ever pull passengers. The pickups on these do have some problems, sometimes they aren't adjusted properly and don't touch the wheels sometimes, after I readjusted mine it ran without any issues at slow speeds. Perhaps its time that Hornby retooled this and the ex dapol J94.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for the info on that Alex - and yes you're right, though all the pickups were working on mine! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Philip271828]

There's a similar sized engine at the NRM in York which has been left unrestored. It has blocks of wood for buffers.

[@alanthorne3921]

As I have mentioned to you before Sam I have one of these and it won’t run despite pulling it apart and testing numerous(20+) times.However I treated myself to a new one a couple of days ago for a good price and it runs good.A couple of issues since I know this model inside out now.The boiler is 3/4 taken up with the magnet so I can’t see any way to arrange another engine set up and DCC would be tricky.Also when handling make sure you keep away from the tank rails on the tank because the rails slips out easy and the plugs that hold the rail fall out of the tank.This happened on both locos and amazingly I found the plugs on my (filthy)shed floor and they are not much bigger than pinheads.As always great vids with a bit of humour.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh glad you finally got a good runner Alan - hope you enjoy it now! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Tombola1993]

Cute little engine. I definitely would never say it’s pug ugly. Nice to see two in preservation.

[@SamsTrains]

haha certainly not ugly! Definitely, glad to hear some are left! :3 Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@adrianbolton1]

Morning Sam, many thanks for introducing myself and my son Andrew in to Hornsby model trains we now have five locomotives, and growing each time we watch your reviews. Keep posting and we look forward to your 2020 videos. Regards Adrian & Andrew Olliffe Bolton Dublin Ireland

[@SamsTrains]

Morning Adrian and Andrew - that's my pleasure mate, sounds absolutely fantastic - hope you enjoy!! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@Stellarvessel1]

Cheers from arklow Ireland

[@diamond_dude1011]

I got the dapol kit version and me and my dad put it on a proper set of 4 wheels. AND we painted it BR crimson with a brass dome, buffers, and handrails. not prototypical but at the time, the Hatton's Andrew Barclay had just come out and I really wanted 2226 Katie so we kinda took after that and the result is a very smart looking model

[@SamsTrains]

That sounds just the job mate - much better I bet!! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@Drewioawesome]

Percy: Well Well Well, Another Of My Cousins! Pug: Ughh, Hi Percy

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! xD

[@iceeblueburst03]

For a second I thought this was from the LNWR. I might’ve gotten the L&YR and LNWR mixed up. But they do have stuff in common like them being pre grouped into the LMS.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh yeah - they are quite similarly named! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lesbird2074]

The L&YR and the LNWR merged in 1922 a year before they were incorporated into the LMS

[@thiruraj3866]

In the railway series Jinty: where are you pug Pug: help I’ve been put in a box and am being reviewed

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@Mariazellerbahn]

3:27 The size should be no surprise. It was available as an unpowered Kitmaster / Airfix kit way back in the late 1950's. Only of any interest as a static background model, I was very surprised when one got released as a RTR just to stand in the background.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah so I hear - can't believe it's been around that long!! :O Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@roycspary8923]

once again samlock holmes your analysis was correct, bumb buffers were big blocks of wood, the sprung oleo buffers were on the wagons

[@almostkentish3042]

Power and usually pickups can be improved by filling available space with liquid weight in order to make it heavier

[@SamsTrains]

Yes that's very true - I'll have to try to remove the body as some point, to see how much space is in there! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@Jamie_Smith.]

I've got two of these locos, a weathered BR black one with the late crest which I bought new from the shop about 14 years ago for £36.50! And an original 1980s Dapol one off EBay in the L&YR black livery with red lining, which has never been run! Still like brand new in its box! Got it on display in my cabinet too good to run!

[@SamsTrains]

Sounds great Jamie - is there much difference between this and the Dapol versions then?! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@Jamie_Smith.]

Sam'sTrains no, none at all!

[@iceeblueburst03]

0 and a half = 😣 1 and a half = ☹️ 2 and a half = 😕 3 and a half = 🤔 4 and a half = ☺️ 5 Golden Stars = 🤩

[@oopsmybad769]

XenonStriker002 I do not understand

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@iceeblueburst03]

Gizmo the cute cat That’s just to represent the rating that Sam does whenever he rates a locomotive out of 5 stars.

[@dodgem9012]

Thanks for providing another great video Sam and happy new year to you. I recently purchased two as new (1x here in NZ 28 GBP & 1x Hattons preowned 46 GBP) secondhand Pugs. These were both R 2453A weathered Late crest versions (released 2005-2006) and both still had unmarked older style box's and detail packs. I have to say the factory weathered versions are a step up as it really enhances the loco appearance . The included driver so Ive been informed is to be mounted on the leftside of the loco cab opening, arm pointing toward the loco front which is in turn designed to obscure the visible in cab mechanism. I got two so I could double head which helps with reliability and point running issues.

[@SamsTrains]

My pleasure mate! I can definitely see these looking way better with weathering! Ahh I see - that makes sense re the driver! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@tomnook2612]

Jan 4-5 every year there’s a train show in Columbus Ohio

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh nice - have you been?! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@danielhayton8657]

Thank you for answering my question about the J83. It has made me happier about it. I think your channel is really good and is helpful and enjoyable. I hope you had a merry Christmas and have a happy New Year.

[@SamsTrains]

My pleasure mate, that's very kind of you daniel - Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@oliverhumphries5887]

Great video Sam. Them buffers are called dumb buffers and were used on shunting locos as they stopped buffer lock and were cheaper and easier to repair than conventional buffers All the best Oli

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for the info Oliver, appreciate it! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@alanpollock3363]

I think you are correct this should be in the railroad range considering the Hornby 48DS has a 6pin socket

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah absolutely - no excuse for it really! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@BladeRunner21577]

God that little green Peckett is absolutely gorgeous isnt it! No matter when where why how you see it it always looks so smart in that livery.

[@SamsTrains]

haha it really is - they did a wonderful job on those! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@TATICMOOR]

Well the Class B2 0-6-0 Peckett is the odd one out on the line with the open wagons. As for the LMS Pug I got my first one away back in 2003 as a Black (W) BR #51231Hornby cat R2335. Like you said they are very basic models with some nice detailing, more so than the Smoke Joe. The later being available for around the £25 mark. So yeah £50 for this Pug would have been great value for this dainty little loco. The coupling maybe big, but as you can see with the mech @13:31 they can be unscrewed and replaced with smaller couplings. I love my wee Pug and for its size say on a little shunting yard scene moving coal wagons back and forth. This would keep any modeller busy sorting the empties from the full wagons or making up trains to go out onto the main line behind a LMS fowler etc. Yes a bit dated, but a nice little short wheel base loco for £60 isn't bad in the long run.

[@SamsTrains]

Very well spotted John! I agree - it has it's value, but it's not for modellers in search of maximum realism! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@SBCBears]

Whatever its faults, it's very good looking pulling a load of old freight wagons. Not the greatest performer, but it has charm if you value appearance on your layout.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I'd agree with that - definitely has some value to it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@maximusheaton8375]

When I was seven in one of the old loco posters I saw the old version and I was so sad that Hornby disconnected those I’m gonna get one now

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic - I can recommend it for the right price! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Adam.Piper62]

Sorry if you have mentioned this before, but have you considered doing any content on N gauge? I personally use those as the space saving ability is life saver for me. Bachmamn do a comprehensive range, that although cost more than your average hornby 00, still has fantastic detail with an ever expanding range of locomotives and rolling stock to collect.

[@SamsTrains]

I've certainly considered it - maybe I will do one day! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@lesliedickinson198]

I have one of the Dapol versions in BR colours and I still enjoy seeing it run so will definitely buy one of the newer ones and as for the price I think in these days of very high prices it isnt bad at all considering the second hand prices these days. As for the buffers they were called dumb buffers made of wood and used a lot on short wheel based shunters as they prevented buffer lock and as for prototype loads I never saw these locos pulling more than a few wagons as they worked in a restricted environment. Good video though and just love seeing small locos running.

[@SamsTrains]

Sounds good Leslie - yes I didn't think it was too bad for the money, provided you know what you're getting yourself into! Thanks a lot for the info, Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@andrewguttry6886]

You're right, this is an ancient model. I had one in LMS maroon many years ago. It's way past time that Hornby upgraded this lovely loco. If they can produce something as fantastic as the tiny Peckett I'm sure they could do the same with this. I agree, this really should be in the Railroad range as it stands.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Andrew - I agree, high time for an upgrade for sure! Fingers crossed! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@johncarlin5713]

I've got one of the original Dapol ones. Runs much like yours so don't think anything has changed in those 25 years as that is how old mine is! Noisy and cuts out a lot at slow speeds - maybe it needs more weight? I do quite like it though and enjoy running it now and again. Good thing is it has been robust enough and nothing has broken or fallen off.

[@SamsTrains]

haha blimey - doesn't sound like anything has changed then! It certainly could do with some more weight! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@BaronVonUhatad]

Sam can you do the review of Lionel Pollar Expres train set...??? Thanks

[@SamsTrains]

I've heard a lot about that - it would be great to try it!! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@chriswilson2431]

I have one of these which is much older, and is also hornby. Mine doesn’t seem to suffer with the problems you’re having, which is odd. I’ll have to get back to you with exactly what mine is so you can compare differences... great video as always mate. Keep it up.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear yours was better Chris - I would be interested in knowing any differences! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@chriswilson2431]

Sam'sTrains hey mate, yes mine is R2093C loco no 51235. Mine was an eBay special and had been faultless. I think it’s a fab little loco and love the rake of vans you picked to run it with. Looks ace mate.

[@AverageOhioan1903]

I'm getting my first train set next week super excited

[@SamsTrains]

That's awesome!! Which one are you getting?? :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@AverageOhioan1903]

@@SamsTrains the bachmann yard boss I got it really cheap on ebay and its brand new I even made sure its still has the paper on the box

[@NBAdagio]

The buffers are called "dumb buffers", for your interest. Now, because the L&Y "Pug" was used at Radstock on the S&D system, I acquired two of these. I am not offended by their age as I have been collecting locos and stock for many years till I can get a layout built, which has "Parliamentary Approval" at our house now. If you are correct that Hornby has not updated the Pug after its first release 35 years ago, apart from glazed windows and a pack of accessories it means that mine pass muster!! I do not mind in the slightest that there is no provision for DCC as I am going to use DC controllers anyway.

[@SamsTrains]

Duly noted, thanks very much for the info! Yes absolutely - from what I'm told, the model is essentially unchanged from the Dapol days! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@williamhurley2427]

The wooden buffers was in fact typical of a yard shunter like these pugs, they certainly wouldn't be pulling trains very often for anything other than moving around the yard. It should definitely be labeled as a railroad model.

[@SamsTrains]

Duly noted William - I think I have seen similar in the past! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@dilwich]

You can get a CR pug (viewed in the video) for around £30 and the build quality is top notch unlike the featured model here which is far too expensive.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes indeed - a much better engine for the money, that's certainly true! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@hamilton9479]

£40-£45 RRP would have been a fairer price. Hornby should have a special 'vintage' range if they must use old moulds, etc. I don't think they do their reputation any good in the long term with these re-releases unless they are at a discount price or have been substantially altered.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I'd agree with that - just so their customers know what they're buying - it's not much to ask! It's strange how self-defeating some of their releases seem to be! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@derailed-productions]

I would be very interested to see someone rework the inner workings of this loco to make it seem more modern, like moving the motor inside the shell and actually have a cab interior etc. Great video though!

[@SamsTrains]

I'd love to see that too - wouldn't be unreasonable for the price either! :O Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@wimpret]

I’m going to buy this and the say to my friends “I HAVE A PUG” and when they come over to see it I’ll show them this locomotive xD

[@SamsTrains]

haha I love it - funny idea mate!! ;D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@wimpret]

@Sam’s Trains your very interactive with your audience, eg. replying to comments

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

This, and ANY 0-4-0s absolutely NEED Keep-Alive!! I realise most People outside of the States still don't know what it is.... But it's a high capacity, compact Capacitor Pack, now included with most quality American DCC Units. I can smoothly get my 0-4-0 with Plastic Boiler, across the broadest of Points, without the slightest hiccup!! I'm surprised it isn't as popular over there.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes that would be fantastic for these - how large are they though?? These locos are pretty tiny! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

Sam, there are some Decoders (Chips) with a smaller Keep-Alive included in the shrink wrap. I've seen one, made by TCS, a Decoder/KA combo, SAME width/length as a standard plug-in, and about 9mm thicker! I've fitted one in an Old West 4-4-0 American, with an absolutely tiny Boiler. 😉

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

@@SamsTrains This might help! Jenny Kirk reviewed a tiny Keep-Alive system... Sold in the UK!! 😁 kzbin.info/www/bejne/inWUYZ13q7qqb7M

[@sweed6487]

The loco hidden by the building (LSWR B4?) seems to be the odd one out as it is a non-saddle tank compared to all the other saddle tanks in your repertoire

[@SamsTrains]

That's actually a fair comment - you can have that one! It was supposed to be the Peckett (0-6-0 not 0-4-0), but you're quite right too! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@peterfranklin1759]

There looks to perhaps be a little space in the boiler. Maybe adding a bit of weight there if possible would make the connections to the track a bit better, possibly improving the stalling problems (except for those express points) and who knows, maybe even increase it's pulling power a tad. Of course the eternal problem of 0-4-0 shunting engines in OO gauge is that they are in general much more prone to stall at shunting speeds. Maybe we should be getting the big pacifics to shunt and the pugs of this world can pull the express trains!

[@SamsTrains]

Yes that may well help Peter - I'll look into that! I'm thinking of adding a wagon with pickups too, which should help! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@tommasoracca6251]

Hi Sam and season greetings! Can you do another video about American steam locos in 2020 please?( I love the 844 union pacific and the big boy). Anyway fantastic video as usual

[@SamsTrains]

Seasons greetings Tommaso - yes I'd love to do that, great suggestion! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@skylarjensen3249]

maybe some of these smaller locos should be tested on your stationary rolling road test plant. seeing as this one was cutting out before the express points.

[@SamsTrains]

That's a good idea! I try to test every loco in the same way though - the track helps to expose any unreliability! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@SteamTrainsNStuff]

The buffer blocks are more a feature for dockyards and really tight shunting yards not a standard across all of the L&Y, with block buffers they could push wagons around incredibly tight bends where a normal set of buffers would lock into the wagons buffers on the bend and derail as it straightened up. That doesn’t happen with these large (and cheap) buffers.

[@SamsTrains]

Duly noted Harry, thanks for the info on those - I quite enjoyed seeing those for a change! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@LithiumChar]

Entirerly dcc compatible, fitted a dapol one a few years back

[@sirmugman]

oh lovely a lil pug gotta love these, i think i'm more a small layout guy, jut spending hours shunting stock around, hmm been a while can we get a shunting vid using some of these lil engines

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot mate - yeah you can't help loving them really?! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@stashyjon]

good and fair review Sam. What s with the foam in the cab looks awful. The wooden buffers, or dumb buffers, were just large blocks of wood. The LMS (and a few other lines0 fitted them to locos used for shunting in docks, mines, brewerys etc where there were very very small radius curves and buffer locking was a real issue. Other LMS locos that had them were some of Fowlers 0-6-0T dock tanks and some of the LMS sentinel shunters. Interestingly not all those L&Y pugs had dumb buffers. about haf were built with traditional buffering gear and the old Kitmaster / airfix / dapol unpowered plastic kit versions came with the standard type buffers. In real life they coud be found all over the old LMS system and we even had three based here in Bristol for shunting the LMS owned Avonside wharf system in the city docks. I had two of the old kit built versions on my layout, both left a little unfinished and heavily battered weathered and rusted that sat in an overgrown isolated siding behind the engine shed. Their 'back story' being that they were brought for the ficticious Bynn Valley light railway from the L&Y in about 1912, but had been out of use for many years and when the GWR took over the line in 1939, they were ear marked for scraping, but so far the local scrappers hadn't got around to them. (In the old Bynn Valley Light stock list they were No. 4 'Sir John' and No 5 'Lady Anne' - yes my layout had a full made up history)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Jon! That foam is the motor - and you're right, it does look awful! Thanks a lot for the info on the Buffers! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@donsharpe5786]

The diesel had pick ups on a wagon to aid its crossing of points. This could be adapted in the same way. If I didn't have one already, I would have to buy one.

[@SamsTrains]

I agree with you Don - that would have been a very smart move!! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@leewaymodels]

Came around something quite surprising today. I purchased this one when you reviewed it but found a second one with road number 11232, hornby number R2065 in a garage sale. That one has a production date of 1998. I had the feeling that it was heavier then the newer release. I found out that it actually was almost 30% heavier! Really puzzling! Why is the newer one so much lighter???

[@leewaymodels]

Also other differences, paint is much better on the newer one. The buffer beams are not painted on the older one. The finish on the newer one is a lot less glossy compared to the old one.

[@merlinandmurdoch7837]

The pugboat for its size is the most powerful vehicle on land, and the star pugs are the power behind the docks and branchlines that makeup the bigg city port, this is pugs 😜

[@SamsTrains]

haha love it!! ;D

[@JustinFrazier_360]

That is one of the best of Sam's Trains videos

[@SamsTrains]

You're very kind Justin! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Cthulhu1970]

I have one of these and it ran badly straight away. Then after a few months it was suddenly brilliant. :)

[@SamsTrains]

Sorry to hear that mate - the mechanisms are definitely a bit hit-and-miss on these! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Locomattive8572]

Iv had a Hornby Pug about 20 years. It’s quite dated now, however it’s always been a extremely good runner and realistic puller. For its day it was a very detailed model. One nice the thing they do, is the pugs had sliding plates over the cab side windows, they have used the motor and a cover to represent that. I’m glad they still make it. It shouldn’t be in the main range anymore, and it should be retooled now too, using the Hornby pecket motor. I wouldn’t buy one new, because so many used ones on the market. With regards to buffers, they are just wooden blocks with a metal plate on the face.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear they're reliable Matt! Agreed though, definitely not appropriate for the railways range though! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Locomattive8572]

Sam'sTrains hi Sam, thank you for your reply. Your Channel is getting quite large now, and fact you reply to comments is fantastic, it makes us feel part of your show. I will say, if I was Hornby railroad It would be a bargain, but also a lot more detailed than most railroad locos. I have a question for you though. I think this gold fleck looking paint Hornby is using is awful, do you? Most shunters like the Pugs had there letters and numbers done in yellow paint rather than gold leaf like on the express passenger locos.

[@alexhando8541]

The odd looking buffers are called "dumb" buffers, they were wooden, and used on shunting engines to prevent buffer locking.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for the info Alex, appreciate it! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@alexhando8541]

@@SamsTrains no problemo, happy to be helpful. Happy New Year to you too.

[@andrewdking]

Hi Sam again. I haven't got one of these, but I do have have the Dapol original, whose tooling Hornby bought when Dapol decided to go exclusively N-gauge. Dapol as you well know have since reversed that decision. I noticed this this oh so cute Pug at one of the Bluebell Railway model fairs. Anyway, apparently, there are differences between the two. Hornby probably upgraded the mechanism as they often do. Now my reason for commenting is there is or was an upgrade kit which could only be fitted to the Dapol original. It rids the cab of the visible motor, adding a white metal boiler backplate and a new small motor, probably one of those Black Beetle type things. I never got around to doing the conversion because when the kit arrived at my home back in 2010, I was working in India and the project lost momentum. Hopefully one day I'll complete it. Strange you never criticised that strange bit of black foam in the cab which I first assumed was transit packaging, but appears to be a rather poor attempt to hide the motor or did I miss that bit of your review ?

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing Andrew! Interesting that Hornby might have upgraded the mechanism - do you know in what way?? Did I not talk about the cab? I thought I did! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@anthonylinton5263]

Great Video from Sam Trains I have just bought the same locomotive for 57.99 from Amazon. I didn't know that it was not DCC ready, maybe I should have watched the video first.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much mate - ahh no worries, if you haven't opened it, you could just return it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@anthonylinton5263]

@@SamsTrains I have received it today it is reallyl tiny and it's quite noisy got a bit of weight to it I kind of like it so I'm definitely keeping it it's the slowest train on my layout one thing that strikes me about this it's like a kiddies train I wouldn't advise spending much more than £60.

[@Mildcat743]

A video of my favorite tank engine design gets released on my birthday, what are the odds?

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh that's a bit spooky Lucas - happy birthday mate, have a good one! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@tenfootvoyager]

Made a Rosebud Kitmaster Pug when I was a kid. 😀

[@johnylitalo4163]

This model would have been perfect for the Rev/ W/ Awdry's spare model of Percy.

[@matthewbannister5951]

Another great review. I feel hornby are being greedy with the pricing though, no updated tech and development costs paid for decades ago.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah - I thought it seemed great value to start with, but alas no! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@treborschafer3945]

A model train company being greedy? Whoever heard of such a thing...

[@hrenes]

in the early 70s I built an Airfix saddle tank loco in OO scale. I love those little engines, but 60 pounds is a lot of money.

[@SamsTrains]

Sounds great mate, but agreed - £60 is quite a lot for this! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@GrimwoodWatchModding]

Picked up a Dapol version of one of these at a swop meet for £25. Tried it against a mates newer hornby version and can say the lot older Dapol version ran better.

[@SamsTrains]

OH wow, £25 sounds much much better - not surprised to hear that one ran better too! ;D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@111greatbear3]

I use to own a Pug but the points wreaked havoc with it being such a small wheel base

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah absolutely - this one really struggled on those too! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@originalsgame9918]

May there be "taps" for the last vid of 2019

[@SamsTrains]

haha! ;D

[@craigthelej]

I kind of wanna get one of them cus I have a steam related layout with early br diesels. That loco would look nice on my layout. Happy New Year Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah! They certainly look decent - but not great models overall, it must be said! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Jimyjames73]

Was just wondering - for an "Update video" or may be you could add it to your "News" - How is "Miles" (The Model Train That Travelled Over 300 Miles) getting on these days??? Just thought You could do a "SPECIAL LOCO VIDEO" where you do an Update of all of your Loco where you have used them as an experiment - I.E. Miles, The Loco that you used for "How Fast Can a Model Train Go???, The loco that you built for "I built the World Strongest Model Train (+ Hill Climb), The Loco you used for "Electric Train Set V Swimming Pool, The Solar Train & Can Model Trains work under water???

[@SamsTrains]

Great idea James - it got converted for solar power though, so he's still fine!! I will get all those odd engines running soon though! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@p674mle2]

the pug is such a lovely little loco : ) but the hornby one is not great should be in the railroad range i agree

[@SamsTrains]

I agree - it really is! Hopefully they'll do some updates to this one day! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SuperDvsmith]

I would try getting a match truck like the one used on the horn by small 4 wheeled diesel shutter surely some careful soldering from truck to loco would help with the pick up problem

[@SamsTrains]

Absolutely right David - that certainly would solve the problems! Hornby should produce those to sell!! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@HL2Parovoz]

Hey Sam! Where did you get Mr pug from? I've been wanting one for my small shunting yard for ages Also can you give some tips of maintaining a locomotive? Thanks!

[@SamsTrains]

I bought mine from Hatton's - there's an affiliate link in the description if you want to check them out! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@mikewhiles4635]

Happy Christmas Sam, thanks for the videos, your comments and commitment to the hobby. Looking forward to 2020 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@SamsTrains]

Happy Christmas Mike - my pleasure mate, glad you enjoyed these! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@scotth9764]

( sorry for the paragraph comment) .. I run one of these locos on my micro colliery layout with my peckett and barklay, I totally agree with what you've said about the detail.. I was hoping for at the very least a basic cab found in the more common 0-4-0 locos found in train sets with maybe a peckett or ruston motor hidden in the boiler, but no... its a total re-release of the origional locomotive which is a shame as it had potential to be on par with the peckett and barklay .Especially as I picked mine up at a model railway show for 15£ in running order and weathered to a high standard as oppose to 60 odd pound new?? as for running mine runs okay but is very noisey and cuts out pretty much identical to yours

[@SamsTrains]

No worries Scott - yes you're right indeed, a very dated model definitely not worth of Hornby's main range in 2020! Hopefully we'll see some upgrades to this one some day! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@RobA500]

A good fair review as usual Sam, look as though this is a good candidate for a stay alive capacitor as the really is nothing else that could be done for insulated frogs considering its small wheel base. The thing that would concern me the most is the motor as I have already had one of those catastrophically fail in a last generation terrier within 3 circuits of my layout which isn't as big as yours.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Rob - yes a stay alive cap would be amazing in this one - very true!! I've had one fail in the terrier and 14xx too - not very good at all! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@TomPrickVixen]

I just checked my old Dapol PUG and the only thing Hornby changed is: the lettering! I think everyone would be better of with a used one, do they are the same, but cheaper.

[@SamsTrains]

Yep, not surprised to hear that - it's a shame they couldn't update it in some way! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Steam_1402]

From this being really good, now I'm going to get a new one, my other one is dead. Unfortunately it only comes with the driver, my old one came with a driver AND fireman

[@SamsTrains]

haha if you're sure mate - it's not terrible, but I think there are better ways to spend £60! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Steam_1402]

@@SamsTrains well as my birthday is coming upon me, and I got some money from Christmas then it wouldn't be bad to spend £60

[@Tyler-zi6tz]

For me I don't want to spend lots of money on engines just yet as I haven't started much of my layout. I'd buy this for a starting engine. I actually might pick this one up

[@SamsTrains]

That sounds fair mate - definitely not too bad as a starter engine! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@mrflightsimdude3551]

Hey Sam you know that scotsman it's actually called Victor wild but it is still a flying scotsman anyway I'm a big fan and if you like you can glue the cab on the Pug properly and then paint other it but if it doesn't work sorry.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh very interesting Jacob - I didn't know that!! :O Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@MrBnsftrain]

I'm surprised Hornby didn't try to re-tool the mechanism, especially when their much basic starter set 0-4-0s don't have such large mechanisms in the cab! Even a basic American 0-4-0 tank loco I got from Model Power a few years ago could manage 8 cars by itself and had a mechanism in the cab that didn't look ugly, and was more than half the price of this engine!

[@SamsTrains]

Me too - that would have been really great to see! Yes, for the money an upgrade wouldn't have been unreasonable! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@delaray7]

Happy New Year, Sam. Lot's of luck and good reviews for 2020. Thanks for another heads up, I will be leaving this little pug with Hornby, considering there are so many others out there with impressive standards and nice paintwork!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much mate, all the best to you too! No worries - definitely worth leaving this one, if you're not a major L&YR fan! Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@bentullett6068]

For its age it's not a bad model. My version is one they brought out in the early 2000's when hornby started weathering a few of their models and it looks better weathered. I think it might be worth hornby building a new version of this locomotive to modern standards.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that's fair Ben - I can definitely imagine this looking much better with weathering! I wish Hornby would retool this - doubt it's coming soon though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Alerrecks]

I want one of these actually. Too bad shipping is so expensive from UK to the states. Great review!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh sorry to hear that - how much do they charge for shipping to the US?? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

The Pug isn't as bad as the Tango Tender Engine. I'd buy one if I could, yet I think she's better off in your care. You might not love her as much as the other cuties you have, but she is a cute engine in her own way. You can't help admiring her for her troubles.

[@SamsTrains]

It certainly isn't Kelly - I do admire this one too! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@ATJonzie]

Pug locomotives and any locomotive that small seem cute to me

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I agree Ashton, me too! :D Happy New Year, Sam :)

[@Robutube1]

Ford announced their Fiesta, Commodore the '64' and Hornby their Pug. Two of these left the stage whilst one stayed on with a dodgy wig doing pantomime.

[@SamsTrains]

haha ,love it!! ;D Happy New Year, Sam :)