NEW Hotone Ampero Stomp II Multi FX Pedal! - How Much Can it REALLY Do?

[@andertons]

We made a small mistake at 15:19 It is possible for the cab to automatically change according to the amp model you chose!

[@redcomn]

Some day i just want y'all to do a head to head comparison for just the effects in these multi fx

[@thefeloniousscot3955]

The Captain makes no mistakes...he threw in a glitch to make sure the swabbies we're paying attention!

[@brammanck]

I pulled the trigger on this one: and especially some amps in this unit are fantastic for my ears, the matchless, dumble and friedman are a joy to play with. I know the helix has more uodates and a bigger community but i like the idea of owning the dark horse of digital effects and amp modelling :)

[@user-wv5gv3dw5u]

So nice of The Captain to spend some time bonding with his son

[@TungstenOvergaard]

This pedal is a must! I have it and it is awesome. You can program everything in the computer, with a superb app… easy, intuitive and no errors.

[@keithb5612]

Does it have an Android app at all? Cheers

[@TungstenOvergaard]

@@keithb5612 no. They have an app for PC/Mac that works flawlessly. Very easy interface.

[@Zordid0]

Is there whammy? Is It good?

[@thefeloniousscot3955]

Amp models sound good? I'm really considering getting one...

[@TungstenOvergaard]

@@thefeloniousscot3955 They do. I have had several modellers in the past (of those below 500$) and always returned to my tube Marshall combo. But this is definitively really good, with really good tones and thousand possibilities.

[@LexanderMiller]

Love John and love this “series”. It’s great to be able to see what the “newest” tech is and how close it’s getting to the old style. I think these sound great.

[@johnong2655]

Got 1, love it, never look back in selling all of my other multifx

[@benlogan430]

Digital John is a sweet name for certain! Embrace it and enjoy my friend. And POO 2 is the best preset.

[@Igornopolis]

I've got the OG Ampero and it changed how I perceive modelers. Best $360 I have ever spent. Run it through a decent frfr and it rocks. Def getting Stomp II. Cheers.

[@thefeloniousscot3955]

Thanks for the heads up... considering this seriously!

[@jorgefernando9306]

Ampero delivers a beautiful warm and organic tone... amazing!

[@Cool_Papa_Funk]

I have been using one for about a month now, and I'm quite pleased with it.

[@edwarduberbacher5428]

you noted the difference in dynamics between the amp and digital unit. transformers are slow devices and tube amps are slow to react to transients introducing compression when the signal changes quickly and significant current is required quickly . solid state amps have less sag and this is one of the major differences in sound. The ampero 2 has a sag control in the power amp parameter section that can be changed. Perhaps you could try to see if increasing the ampero sag this would match the dynamics better. I have a digital unit without a sag control and achieve the same thing by making sure my compressor responds as quickly as possible to pick attack or other transients and effectively compresses the first few milliseconds...It sounds much more analog that way...same can be done with solid state amp.

[@S3VENROY]

Where to put the power amp in the signal chain in hotone stomp?

[@S3VENROY]

Before the amp and a cab?

[@S3VENROY]

And what about preamp section? I have hotone stomp and still can’t figure this out, help me!😂

[@coryeasterling1073]

As an acoustic guy, I love how much Lee has to give comforting words to all the valve amp players during these videos. I want some comfort dang it!

[@GraniteSoundtrack]

Really? I thought this unit sounded worse than most units. I need no comfort about the Hotone Ampero. Maybe a the Neural Quad Cortex or stuff like that...maybe.

[@JohnOShaughnessy]

Hey, John is great at explaining the device and features. He really knows his way around, plays really well too. How lucky

[@zxbc1]

I have Ampero 1 and their amp simulation is crazy good. I did a lot of comparisons between it and other multi effects and I think apart from the really expensive systems like Kemper, Ampero has the most dynamic and open sounding simulations to the major amps. The acoustic simulation is also notches above other pedals. You can also do custom IR on cabs and there's a global EQ too. This is a crazy value.

[@Igornopolis]

This. Ampero is badass.

[@gfybfm9501]

hey is it much better than FLAMMA FX100 Guitar Pedal ?

[@Driftuner]

Incredible how far these things came...

[@jakob5947]

These videos are so well made and informative, keep 'em coming!

[@alexandreavelar9696]

Great video! Only 2 things prevented it from being perfect: using IRs in the Ampero as well (if not hte same as the Boss Expander, at least a similar one), and matching the volume recorded (probably it was ok in the room).

[@coppulor6500]

Captain. I continue to click on your videos because of how REAL you keep it. You aren't shy about pointing out what a lot of us are thinking.

[@CMQ01]

Great series and really dig John. I’m an old schooler trying to educate myself on this more digital approach. Thanks

[@rogerdat7807]

I had an RP-1 which wound up being our singer's effect. Patch 11 I believe it was. Made the vocals sound stadium HUGE!

[@Mark_Manic]

It is a fantastic DAC as well, route your PC or whatever through this for listening to music and be prepared to be blown away.

[@vpr5555]

would love to see a video comparing the Hotone Ampero Stomp II vs Line 6 HX Stomp vs Headrush MX5 vs Valeton GP-200 vs Boss GX-100. All on their latest updates at the time of recording.

[@jmabs5096]

Kids nowadays have it made in the shade... Anybody 10-20 years ago know the digitec RP series of Multifx... RIP digitec! You where good to me!

[@robcarney1]

Had an RP20. It was awful and deeply labour intensive to use. Sold it last year on eBay for £30 I think.

[@jmabs5096]

@@robcarney1 I had the Rp150, definitely the blessing and curse. My favorite thing was the cringe 8 bit drum loops 😂😂

[@MikaelLewisify]

Yeah, I remember them. They were awful.

[@gumpymcbarfbag3884]

Had a few of those, gave them away after a couple years. I am one of those knuckleheads that crave the new crap, and it's obsolete a week later!

[@braynumb]

I still have my RP55

[@rangerdoc1029]

Just got my second Ampero 2. It really is at the top of its class. 90% as good as Fractal for 1/5 the price.

[@LivinginLosAngeles-re5yx]

John Cordy has a comparison of the Ampero 2 Stomp against a Quad Cortex, probably the king right now, and it competed great on tones. Crazy good value in these.

[@hock4540]

Great video as always! Thanks. I wish processing power was one of the main items highlighted as that is always going to be the limiting factor for a more future proof device. I'll also add as both a digital and analog (amp/pedal) users, sometimes the multi-effects can give you analysis paralysis trying to match every song to a specific tone, opposed to having one amp and 1-2 drive pedals and making songs work within those confines. 98% of the time the listener doesn't know you weren't using the same amp as the original song used.. they just know clean and dirty sounds.

[@alejandrorangel3257]

I had 1 for a month. Great ui interface, great looper, very easy to use but i went back to analog pedals 😅

[@alejandrorangel3257]

@@ParaBellum2024 This unit is great in my opinion and having this one and also the stomp and the headrush…. i personally never found myself tweaking anything, neither doing presets, saving patch. So i realised that there is a group of people like me that prefer to have dedicated pedals less flexible and powerfull but you just plug guitar, move the knobs and thats it, very old fashion and about the analog (the eternal discussion ha ha)… i replaced it with a few stompbox and much more happy, less flexible more focus too. About this unit, i can say is good :)

[@stevenslater4395]

@@alejandrorangel3257 can you elaborate on which one of those were better?

[@mrjtibor]

I am looking for multifx and I am curious whether you have tried the Line6 HX Stomp and what do you think about that and this Ampero II. Thx!

[@slippy8813]

@@mrjtibor im in the same situation, from what ive gathered the ampero has more processing power and is just newer in general

[@alejandrorangel3257]

@@mrjtibor I tried the hx, ampero, headrush and fm3. i would rate them as: fm3, ampero, hx, headrush

[@johnconnearnmusic]

Flippin love this unit. Hotone nailed it!

[@MrSpeed-lt8gr]

John how would you compare this to the HX Stomp?

[@jcugnoni]

Great demo / review. Digital John is a great addition to th A team! And this Ampero II has a lot of going for it. I own the Ampero 1 and all I can say it is great. Find an IR that you like and the amp sims will sound and feel awesome. Or even better, run it to FX return of a tube amp + cab.

[@jordanmatchett8341]

I just purchased a traynor YCV40WR and I was thinking of somehting like this. You can run it "stereo" am I wrong?

[@John-e4p1x]

Hes so annoying and knows nothing!

[@robertdouble559]

What now?@@John-e4p1x

[@richardmoody9974]

The true beauty of these units is the compact form factor. Traditional tube amps may end up sounding better but come with the penalty of cost, weight and size. In the end you are comparing a product which costs £3-400 with one that costs £3-4000. For most players they don't gig, they don't need to blast huge volume but want to sound like the real thing when playing a wide variety of music. These modellers do that. One moment you can sound like Kurt Cobain and the next like Paul McCartney, or whoever. You could even line up separate patches for you favourite 100 songs knowing that you can come back to it repeatedly with the same settings. You can't do that with a traditional amp.

[@frankiewalnuts]

If you use the editor on the computer you get the bio of each thing telling you what it's based on

[@ericwarrington6650]

Wow this unit is really impressive with the capabilities built in...looper on top of it... crazy stuff man...pretty awesome 😎

[@bruceclark8643]

It would be great to see a comparison with the Headrush mx5

[@in5364]

Wow !! Even the stock presets sounds that good

[@Domn879]

This video sold it for me. I ordered one for nearly half the price of an HX stomp and prefer the tones and UI of this.

[@finalapproach2ify]

It is an impressive unit for sure. Killer value.

[@yellowtruckproductions7502]

How about doing the Headrush MX5 again, with Digital John this time. I love Pete, but maybe you would have a different take on it with John.

[@tonechaser101]

I hope to see a new video about comparison between Ampero 2 and Headrush MX5 haha

[@Stoffendous]

haha

[@retsboon8162]

I have the older full size Ampero myself. Hope they release this new one in the same form factor with all the outputs and the expression pedal. The firmware in the new one is far superior to the old one! What a great update over the old Ampero!

[@macbeth642]

Its coming this month, Ampero stage, look it up

[@matzer8846]

Cudos ... now you're into real comparable tests: this adding the Boss load to the real amp is a great idea! 👍

[@Mega_trav]

I would like to heard this compared to the MX5

[@brentheathersimons7042]

Hi Gents! Amy chance we can have Nathan and Lee do a bass demo version of this? Cheers! Brent, VT USA

[@lance134679]

Nice to have lots of choices of all-in-one digital pedals and this one seems really good. Also, great to have Dig-i-tal John on the team as it seems Pete and Lee don't have a lot of interest in diving into menus :-)

[@doctoribanez]

Sounds really good imo. I bought a pod go . I've found all the different possibilities off putting and too complicated for my old self. Kinda just want to play guitar and they are just too overwhelming. Sucks because I know if I spent the time to figure it out I could do whatever

[@matzer8846]

HO HO HO ... this hotone does pack some power and makes use of it - obviously - when it comes to noise gate, FX and tone! NICE! Good demo too!

[@smartmammal9926]

The software for the Ampero is great too!

[@sijoy6572]

John is a fantastic choice for Andertons,for those who aren’t fans of the relentless self promotion & ‘crazy’ antics,which seem to be popular,John is modest & a cool breeze flowing through the channel 😍

[@valendis]

I need a review of that Laney FRFR cab! More generally, I would love for you to explore the FRFR solutions for a cab capable of doing bass and guitar cab. I got a Matrix GT800FX, it sounds great with dedicated guitar and bass cabs but I want to take advantage of my IRs

[@funfreq9282]

@ 19:30 your description of modeling is why FAS products are the top of the pile when it comes to modeling but also explains why it's more than twice the price!

[@jmabs5096]

Pair this up with a solid cheap tube head like a blackstar or bugera for just the power amp with a effects loop to bypass the preamp, with a 2x12 or whatever... Think this is a force to be reckend with. Make this happen andertons I bet loads of folks have the same question

[@cirisirpula152]

Would be fun video idea

[@goldcoins9311]

I went for the Ampero one simply because it has a long looper and has built-in drum loops.

[@MOAB-UT]

No drums on the II

[@senorchivo90]

Nice! I requested this in the previous video, though I bet this was already recorded! I sold my Fractal FM3 for this unit. I disliked the FM3 interface and I just couldn't be bothered to dig into the deep settings in the to get that extra 10% or whatever sound quality. The Ampero II Stomp was simpler to dial in, not as high quality in some of the sims, but still sounds great and it has a more powerful powerful signal chain. More than good enough for my bedroom playing, especially at half the cost. I'm loving it so far. The only thing that I wish they kept from the first unit was the drum machine.

[@keithb5612]

Does it have an Android app to change settings via smartphone? Cheers

[@senorchivo90]

@@keithb5612 It doesn't. AFAIK, this doesn't have bluetooth. I use the Windows app via USB cable for changing settings, and it works great

[@keithb5612]

@@senorchivo90 Thanks for that. I was hoping for a USB C to USB C cable type connection from the unit to a smartphone with a dedicated app. I use a similar cable method with my Zoom ms-50g pedal to my phone using the ToneLib Zoom app. So easy to use via smart phone to make new patches or tweak settings. Cheers

[@fernalicious]

Hotone makes quality products, love their stuff. 👍🔥👍

[@stevekatz5685]

Thanks for this (very entertaining) video / i bought one and put pit on my pedalboard. I has a few features that really make this box run circles around other multi effects pedals. Besides amazing sounds and very very low noise - there were three features that pushed me over the edge. 1) easy to bypass in signal chain, as you would any effects pedal, 2) has a global setting to turn off amp modeling, cab IRs or both on all patches so you can plug directly into amp - HX stop and Tonex can’t do this btw, and 3) works great with my strymon power supply system which delivers 500ma at 9, 12, or 18 V. Manual says ampero needs 800ma but it works perfectly at 500ma and 18VDC!

[@righustle6859]

That first patch sounds *really* close to a Jubilee, good effort Hotone :)

[@lyleanderson5407]

Great Demo! The stomp looks tempting.

[@adriansoul7223]

I'm confused.. where's the link to buy John?

[@KrishinPillay]

I bought one of these. I setup a clean amp on it with effects I would use, then using the 4 cable method I got a kraken v4 preamp and bypassed the clean amp on the ampero for all my gain tones. So ended up with best of both worlds. But its epic really , full rig with just two pedals.

[@fsab47]

Hi I tried to set up the ampero Stomp II with 4 cable method on my ENGL ironball E606, but I'm lost... I'm quite sure everythng has been well set ( mean cable with the right in out return send....)(chck and recheck) Do you have some patches to send me just to test and understand ? That's would be nice. Thanks

[@KrishinPillay]

So for cables, guitar into ampero , then ampero send to you amp input , then amp send to ampero return , and ampero output to your amp return. On your patch , you need to add a block fx loop to the signal chain.

[@fsab47]

thanks. It seems I've always followed this method but I don't understand why I have no sound out@@KrishinPillay Gonna try again

[@matejhegedus7940]

What is the difference between paralel and split mix? Wich one would i use for paralel distortion?

[@chiquinhohoogerdijk1337]

im thinking of buying the ampero stomp. but i need 2 external pedals in the fx chain. do you know if you can connect 2 pedals using trs to 2 ts cabbles to route 2 pedals in the fx loop? i see in the manual tha you can choose l in and r in separately.

[@Quipstiley]

I want to put this on my desk and run my pedal board into it to use the looper, amp and IRs for my DAW. If the computer UI is easy to use, I might use it on the floor but I really like the idea of using this as a desktop recording interface and looper. The way the cables route should work well for my desk as well.

[@HauntCraft]

Would it be possible for John to play around with an HX Stomp unit? These reviews have been great!

[@Proganaut1989]

This is a great unit. I like it better than the Hx stomp which i owned as well...its more responsive

[@gtsuiwu]

How does it compare to Helix Stomp?

[@jordanprysmiki5361]

I don't mind that the amps and cabs are not automatically matched. On the boss IR 200 I find it annoying that I always have to go find my favorite 2 or 3 cabinets no matter what amp I am on.

[@rangerdoc1029]

Latest firmware does match cabs now. And patches now have names instead of numbers.

[@dessykinantih2374]

Can i use two differents amps ( left and right ) ? And can it be stereo? (Delayed sound)

[@1972Georges]

I wonder how I could connect my Multi FX Pedal at home. I tried a cheap FRFR Speaker and it sounded very bad. Thinking about the LANEY Speaker also FRFR....

[@valendis]

I feel like these Ampero sound great but are not supposed to mimick the sound of the amp as well as the Line 6 Helix stuff

[@przemyslaw1235]

Digital John😅its cool Lad like you all boys😉you are better then netflix 100000times better🙂

[@jimmyjimmy951]

I am the bloke who will be driven mad by this much poncing around. Sticking with the Amp and my pedals for now.. 👍🇦🇺

[@lenduckworth99]

I was gigging last night. Must have adjusted the knobs on my pedals three or four times in the set. That's what would scare me about these units, I can't go into a menu.

[@24FretsGuitar]

I'm guessing you can hook up to a PC or Mac and alter the presets?. What's the software like?. Why has it not got a pedal like the earlier Ampero model?.

[@RicHSAD2]

Yes you can. The software is very nice and easy to use. It doesn't have a built-in pedal because it's a "Stomp" model, like the HX Stomp. You can connect any expression pedal you want to it anyway, so I personally prefer the Stomp format.

[@24FretsGuitar]

@@RicHSAD2 I see, makes sense.

[@johnschober4008]

Great sounding little thing I'd love to hear how close they sounded with the same cab sim/IR.

[@johnkozlowski6993]

Great review! I'm one step closer to pulling the trigger. Thanks! It would be great to demo bass (with digital bass rigs) and acoustic guitar (with acoustic IRs). Thanks again. Great job as usual.

[@jefft5854]

I know you must keep your videos short enough, but it would be very useful to have an idea if those modeling pedals are worth for the bass.

[@MOAB-UT]

Should I buy the Ampero II or a FM3? On the Ampero II can I connect a wah peddle and the hotone switch or just one or the other?

[@smartmammal9926]

I can, if I want, put 3 reverbs in the chain, correct?

[@mattnorman4007]

what if you want to turn effects on and off (like an overdrive) while looping? is that possible?

[@johnconnearnmusic]

Yep, that’s possible too!

[@smartmammal9926]

Looping time cut in half in certain circumstances, correct? I remember that with the original model.

[@Scubasgamecorner]

what were you guys playing the Ampero 2 through...Powered speakers ? if so which ones and what would you recommend

[@Rockerrobin]

The looper not having a memory is a major turn off for me otherwise I think It might be the best option available if the line 6 isn't for you.

[@markdouglas8073]

I just got the Ampero II but got another looper (NUX Deluxe) to go with it. It is on a smaller pedalboard I use for practice. I have a boss Rhythm Looper also to evaluate.

[@MaTTheWish]

Agree, that would be great.

[@ericwarrington6650]

Ampero is brighter so if u compensated for that it gets very close to the valve amp but at same time from my ears the valve has a feeling of body and size as opposed to the ampero sounds a little thin at those settings....I have to believe that the feel is the same thing...

[@blusky75]

On my nux mg300 I play interchangeably via direct to headphones and sometimes into my amp's Poweramp input. I can easily change the mode on it so the cab sims are disabled when I use my amp. Does the ampero have a similar feature or do I need to turn on/off the cab in the ampero effects chain with each patch?

[@randyupchurch1899]

...How are the "effects",compared-to the Line-6 HX-Effects?...Thank you...

[@jimtalltheislandbrothers6639]

This or the hx stomp?? I have the full headrush pedalboard but it is huge. This is ideal.

[@madiimad]

I know that with IRs you can convert your sound... but what about delays and reverbs... is this Pedal good?

[@marlonjmsilva]

Is there a sound cut when you change presets like in the old Ampero?

[@egymasikbertalaszlo]

that 'mysterious' AI Gate is based on the ISP Decimator, so no wonder it's amazing

[@flips220]

9:44 Is that true? I don't have a Helix. I mean I guess it's a few years old at this point, but that thing is still their flagship. If it's running out of CPU with new updates, that kind of sucks.

[@teopetran237]

Yes and no. New reverbs or polyshifters are using more DSP but it's nothing to worry about, you still have plenty of power.

[@Newnodrogbob]

Yeah, I mean there’s always a point when you could not add more stuff to your chain. In most cases it’s long after you’ve reached the limits of good taste. 😂

[@danilosajnovic2783]

Does anyone know what brand/model the pink guitar behind Captain is? I just realized I posted the same question a year ago. Came back to watch the video randomly and had the same impression about the guitar. Then it came to me I already asked :D BUT NO ONE KNOWS what the guitar brand is :(

[@matthewmcguire5217]

Are you guys going to bring back “Sound Like” - that was a great Anderson’s feature!

[@danielefatali5117]

Does It work as a standalone Digital modeler on stage like the ampero ?

[@YesItsReallyKeith]

so quad cortex vs ampero stomp?

[@reneee168]

I accidentally removed a preset p31-2 How can I get this back again? is this possible?

[@david_farmer]

Captain Lee! Can you guys do a video showing how this compares to a POD Go in a home USB recording AND Re-Amping setup? That's how I want to use these and can't make up my mind between this and a POD GO. The Ampero II looks cool with it's dual-amp path (I assume you can take a single guitar input and get a discreet dual amp output? - AND would this also be doable when re-amping over USB?) This is a plus over the POD Go in my mind but I do love that POD Go. Also with the POD Go, are presets interchangeable with the software and the Helix plugin (which I have)?

[@RicHSAD2]

You can go dual amp on a single input, yes. You can also use the two inputs to process two guitar simultaneously. I did that to jam with a friend and it was great. You just have to be wary of running out of DSP when running two amps and a lot of effects, but the latest firmware has improved the DSP headroom quite a bit.

[@david_farmer]

@@RicHSAD2 Cheers!

[@yugiohllavaneras]

Damn, LOVE the Digital John name

[@digitalchris6681]

😥.... I've been Digital Chris for years but nobody loves ME ......

[@danilosajnovic2783]

What is the pink guitar behind Captain ?

[@stanislavmigra]

I dont know, if it is courtesy of DIGITAL JOHN, or these lower priced modelers went really long way up. Sounds pretty good.

[@hanshol5399]

and....still it is all in taste...both sound great...tubges doesnt make it better..

[@simaojoseph]

What about a “blindfolded” challenge of one or two of those classic boutique amps vs their own IR into the ampero; both through the same cabinet. ooooooohh...

[@yukishredder]

Crazy good demo. now you got me interested to the point I want one.I have a 50w katana mk2. Am I needing to sell that and get some type of head and cab,set of monitors?needs to be house/ bedroom friendly

[@jamjar20049]

I briefly had the first version of the Ampero One, and a Mk1 Katana 50. Both gone now, but for me the Katana was better for home, I used the USB output so that it acted as an interface to my computer. The amp can be totally silent that way with monitoring by headphones or speakers, so very home friendly. The switches on the Ampero were too confusing for me in practice, each button having multiple functions and colours to match. I was lost, tap dancing on the switches trying to loop, ending up in reverse mode somehow and I could not stop it. In the normal standing playing position the screen was too small to be seen easily. You might prefer the Ampero though nice to have the choice.

[@Newnodrogbob]

Doesn’t the mk2 Katana have an input for modelers? Or is that only in the 100?

[@yukishredder]

@@Newnodrogbob thank you for that.ive just checked the manual and and it says to use the POWER AMP IN jack at the rear.

[@Newnodrogbob]

@@yukishredder oh good! Yeah that should bypass everything except the power section. You probably want to turn off the cab sim when you use it. I don’t have a katana, but I’ve seen loads of ppl online who really like that aspect of the V2.

[@LexanderMiller]

You can’t compare knobs on any amp to any other amp, digital or otherwise. All amps have different “sweet spots” and trying to line them up, even the same tube amp, it’s gonna be different. Pots might sweep differently even if they’re the same ones.

[@klopp8768]

This guy?

[@KeithMilner]

Exactly! Analogue components have tolerances and there can be as much as 10% difference between any two, nominally identical, components. Just considering the pots alone could be the difference between setting the control to 5 vs 6. And then when you consider the impact of the variation of all other components and the potential amplification of those impacts ( depending on circuit) then it's a bit daft to expect analogue controls to act identically on individual devices (amps, pedals, etc.)

[@klopp8768]

Yeah! Basically what's explained on every Anderton's amp modelling/effects KZbin video. We "all" know it doesn't sound identical but it's damme close. I feel sorry for the guys standing in the crowd listening for the slightest discrepancies. For crying out loud, get a life.

[@LexanderMiller]

@@klopp8768 this level of discussion is not about “the guy standing in the crowd” and it never has been. It’s about the feeling you as the player get when you play it/record it. We’re all chasing tone, and that tone isn’t what the dude standing in the crowd hears, I t’s more nuanced hence the popularity of this channel.

[@klopp8768]

@@LexanderMiller as the dude "standing in the crowd" and "the tone chaser" couldn't tell the difference if I close my eyes and listen. Congrats to you if you can, your ears are obviously better than mine. :) Sorry I couldn't meet this level of discussion