How does the new LEGO Powered Up motor stacks against the existing PF motor? What are the differences? What is new? Will the hamster eat the cable? Check out now ;)
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@HansensUniverseT-A5 жыл бұрын
Older system is obviously superior, they should have kept this system and just made better motors, expanding their existing PF line would have been better.
@Harry-cxx4 жыл бұрын
Yep, they should've just added a Bluetooth reciever to the old ones
@Larry984 жыл бұрын
@@Harry-cxx That would mean no sensors and you could not rotate the motors to certain degress.
@Korr_o3 жыл бұрын
@@Larry98 There's already 2 additional lines vs just ground and 9V in PF, and WeDo originally used PF, so it was 100% possible for them to do it.
@rhinoboy1782 жыл бұрын
???
@Casp3rgam3r9 ай бұрын
I agree with I have an power functions m motor But they stopped making them so i cant buy more of those motors Power functions is superior
@SimonZellox5 жыл бұрын
I always wanted more powerful Lego motors when I was a kid. 10 years later and we have this weird motor that is still weak but with a worse plug design and an app to control the speed. What an improvement!
@Johnny_OSG5 жыл бұрын
Non stackable plugs are a dealbreaker for me when it comes to the new system
@MxWintersAFOL5 жыл бұрын
Non-stackable plugs and the use of bluetooth is the dealbreaker for me. The Power Functions system works great so I won't be upgrading to Powered Up
@Spydeyrus5 жыл бұрын
so, BuWizz and SBrick are still on the ride :)
@MxWintersAFOL5 жыл бұрын
BuWizz and SBrick aren't made by LEGO, if a model contains non-LEGO parts (except batteries), it ain't LEGO, plain and simple. Not to mention that one has to use a "smartphone" to control those units, which is a stupid idea in so many ways plus LEGO don't make mobile phones.
@Johnny_OSG5 жыл бұрын
What problem do you have with bluetooth control via smartphone?
@MxWintersAFOL5 жыл бұрын
First: The inefficiencies of using a radio based system for simple on/off or rough speed control on a basic DC motor compared to IR. For example, with the Power Functions remote, the only thing that it is doing is running a low power microcontroller to sample which button is pressed and then pulsing a low power IR LED accordingly. Using a smartphone, one is running a massive computer with high powered CPU/GPU, power hungry bluetooth, power hungry GSM, massive LCD panel ect just to turn a simple motor on/off. Second: The limited range of bluetooth compared to IR when the Power Functions system is used properly. Sunlight or moonlight makes no difference. Third: The fact the when I play with my models outdoors, these drives can last for 2 or 3 hours covering distances of well over 1 mile (longest drive so far was almost 6 hours), a modern smartphone transmitting 10's or 100's of updates per second over bluetooth, the battery is simply not good enough, its fine for playing with your model for 10 minutes, but for hours on end, a smartphone is useless. Forth: Any time that a smartphone is connected to the internet, has bluetooth switched on, the phone is simply powered on, or even powered down but with battery still connected (as either MI5/6 or GCHQ told us a while ago), it leaves the device open to attack. I take the view that unless bluetooth, wifi ect need to be on, then I keep them off and since one has a better ways to control LEGO then with a smartphone, eg Power Functions, then I shall use the options LEGO have given us. Plus the Power Functions system is totally un-hackable, thus no little s**thead can hack it and mess it up. Search the internet for iOS/Andriod malware/virus's and then try to find some for the Power Functions system...I rest my case. Fifth: Even when you take into account the fact the I use non-rechargable batteries, the Power Functions system is far cheaper to run in the long run than using a smartphone and bluetooth. Yes using bluetooth can have its uses in a limited range of applications but BT and a smartphone is simply not up to the task for the way I use LEGO.
@klikbriks12185 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have enjoyed your hamster's professional test!
@styrex42615 жыл бұрын
I liked the video because of the cute hamsters :D
@thundertornader54985 жыл бұрын
same
@czubko5 жыл бұрын
Same too!
@droidekaone35365 жыл бұрын
I still vastly prefer Power Functions
@lantilo68735 жыл бұрын
J Webster POwer Functions are just better mate!
@rickclark78465 жыл бұрын
I still vastly prefer 9v.
@omnitheus54425 жыл бұрын
Why can't they go back to having the option of using batteries or power? Power is so much more reasonable for Lego Trains... Totally get batteries for other uses.
@ikipling47305 жыл бұрын
I bought 2 sets of powered up when I first saw they were available on the Lego store. I was greatly disappointed in the remote's system of controlling trains, the fact that because of their latest innovation, I have to pair controllers and battery boxes every time I turn one off,and that the regular, non-bogie motor is 30 dollars, I wish I had to wasted so much money on them. Powered up doesn't compare to power functions. Let this comment be a warning to all Lego train enthusiasts: GET POWER FUNCTIONS WHILE YOU STILL CAN.
@shawns_Lego5 жыл бұрын
Me to
@AlexVainionpaa5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Im getting the set in christmas and im so excited to see how the new motors work! Also i enjoy the fact that you can have it smoothly controlled by the app!
@BlackringIII5 жыл бұрын
If performance is same then they are killing off the old system just for some Bluetooth- which we've already gotten from sbrick and others BOOOO LEGO! EXPAND YOUR CURRENT SYSTEMS INSTEAD OF REPLACING Side note: get on lego shop and buy the cr*p out of all their motors
@styrex42615 жыл бұрын
Their almost like apple now. A big loyal fanbase, and yet they treat them like trash. I don't recall a time lego listened to our cries for stuff, and that's why there are so many aftermarket lego things. While lego could add something that we've added to our lego add-ons, they likely won't. This is why I stick to the older legos, back when lego had the good power functions.
@borkwoof6965 жыл бұрын
legoman 33 I would say that the increase in price is a much more convincing reason for the rize in ”aftermarket Lego things“
@Ramog10005 жыл бұрын
it was always like this remember the pre 2008 motors? In my opinion much better than the new ones except some more advanced stuff but in term of a good old motor that just runs they were better in my opinion
@ELValenin4 жыл бұрын
Nah. Don't buy Lego motors. They are rip-offs
@HNBGamer4 жыл бұрын
@@Ramog1000 Pre 2008 motors are still compatible with PF. Just need an extension cable and you are good to go.
@AiOinc15 жыл бұрын
Really hope they address the connection issue, it'd be nice to have variable speed, even if there are only 10 steps. Maybe while they're at it they can try making them more powerful too? 4:46 I love him he gets two thumbs up
@giottist36245 жыл бұрын
Perfect video! Your channel is a true reference for all LEGO enthusiasts.
@cludecat70725 жыл бұрын
thanks for the great information about this
@legomasterbuilder91185 жыл бұрын
I love your comparison videos, they help so much
@John-wj6kg5 жыл бұрын
2:20 Except that the PF M motor won't sit down on the studs properly at all if you have a plate, tile or panel next to it, as they have not made the base part thick enough.
@user-td1sm6wi3d5 жыл бұрын
Very smart hamster and very professional test! Thank you!
@JMTosses5 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison - well done on the video as well. Thank you! Cheers! JM
@Chris.M5 жыл бұрын
Great review! You nailed it. I loved the highlight with the differential. Hope was not too critical in my other comments to you before.
@707beats65 жыл бұрын
that battery box with built in bluethooth would be amazing for remote controlled builds as it would save ALOT of space. if only it had power functions plugs on it ):
@Beatprisoner3 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison, thanks for that! Now we also need a comparison between the PU motors and the new ones from the Spike Prime/Robotic Invention set motors. I'm afraid these are the only ones Lego will support in the near future (?).
@LunarcomplexMain5 жыл бұрын
I was so excited to see a new motor but saddened how similar it is after 11 years. I would love to see some pricey high quality RC car type of motors for some builds. Might need metal gears at that point though...
@DaneH645 жыл бұрын
Aww your hamsters are such sweethearts
@Ravn75 жыл бұрын
The end is adorable
@faragar17915 жыл бұрын
I'll still miss the old 9V system. The one before power-functions.
@aronslegogbcs10575 жыл бұрын
same
@faragar17915 жыл бұрын
I wonder if anyone makes custom lego pieces that work like the 9V system? Like they 3D print bricks and add metal strips to them to conduct electricity.
@thebravegallade7315 жыл бұрын
Power functions work well with the 9V motors- they just have a few extra features (more fine spd control)
@faragar17915 жыл бұрын
@@thebravegallade731 Right, but if Lego discontinues Power Functions, then what?
@andreasr.71464 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was good. I build a truck with it, and for steering 4,5v.
@Sirslayer_X5 жыл бұрын
Its about time someone did a Pf motor vs Power up motor comparison !!! much needed video !! Im sirslayer from eurobrick!!! thank you for your dedication to the Lego community and can you digitally sign my book by you?????? it would bring more value if you can signed them!!
@universalunion01unit295 жыл бұрын
Cute hamster :)
@thijsrikkerink63335 жыл бұрын
Maybe my pf moters will be worth much when they only sell these in the future 😅 Nice review btw
@jlo63885 жыл бұрын
Sariel. You are definitely Master Class
@TheKalais5 жыл бұрын
Thx for the review! Is there any way to keep new motor running without holding/tapping touch screen?
@casinatorzcraft5 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: I need a hamster
@reijo775 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison! So actually at the moment the only advantage (vs many disadvantages) is the fact it has studs on top which can enable some new solutions but not too many. I think Sariel you could also mention that the new colour line is shity, as it LBG and DBG is better blending with vehicles mechanics than white-LBG :) so we will need to add another effort to mask it in some MOCs....
@itz_lexiii_ Жыл бұрын
Old systems only main advantage is the stackable outputs, and even then you are pretty limited due to battery box output. The powered Up line has a lot more available now, and if you use the City Hub 88009 you don't need to use a phone. Bluetooth connection means it wont get messed up by sunlight and does not need direct line of sight for control. You can even control multiple hubs with one remote at the same time if your train has multiple engines. I think the only problem with powered up is a lot of them were quickly retired, but there's a lot on used market so it's okay.
@GreenGeckoLegoTechnicWorkshop5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what will companies like Sbrick and BuWizz will do, if the new sets are coming out with these new plugs? Hopefully Lego will make connection adapters like we have seen before, with the old 9v system.
@thundertornader54985 жыл бұрын
i say pf is still better just needs to be updated :/
@jakobpajur28825 жыл бұрын
Your hamster is so CUTE
@JohanSchoeman15 жыл бұрын
Hey Sariel, Just got the book: loving it.
@matthewlim-dot-ml5 жыл бұрын
Great review sariel! Very excited to see what the future of lego Technic looks like!
@tobyrands77615 жыл бұрын
Fancy seeing you here...
@matthewlim-dot-ml5 жыл бұрын
@@tobyrands7761 Is this the real Toby Rands? Can you sign my forehead?
@1989encore5 жыл бұрын
thanks for your review =)
@edjackowski98565 жыл бұрын
That motor looks really cool
@brickmotorcyclefan5 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff!
@keits965 жыл бұрын
What about disassembly comparison, what motor it actually using etc.
@t0ms3nt0ms3n5 жыл бұрын
Do the new motors have encoders inside? Thus 6 cables and no stacking of connectors?
@rewrew8975 жыл бұрын
I have the older version A little annoying because they just pop out if next to even a flat plate (also noticeable in this video)
@mxrider2strokebraaap545 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great vid:)
@emorag5 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated.
@lethallad14335 жыл бұрын
I love the Hamster 🐹 they made be 100% sure I should I like the video so I did
@modelyh05 жыл бұрын
cute hamster
@socialus56895 жыл бұрын
Your ''music'' that you use in the videos reminds me of Sims. Nostalgiiaaaaa!
@LiveYourBricks Жыл бұрын
Richtig interessant, danke 💯
@nando112205 жыл бұрын
Your hamster is really cute
@lumppio60254 жыл бұрын
I still have the original square lego motor from 1990. Although the battery bricks have been lost.
@clubbuild35444 жыл бұрын
Love it
@deanduplessis65585 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to make an updated video with the newly released powered up system and motors?
@searme5 жыл бұрын
If time permits, sure.
@gameknight.thump14 жыл бұрын
awwwwwww! your pet is so cute!
@nockawa5 жыл бұрын
I would say the best improvement we could look for is more speed/torque for the same size, but is it possible ? I'm not sure there are improvements in this area the latest 10 years, I would really like to have the point of view of the experts around here! :) like you Sariel.
@anony-mouse215 жыл бұрын
More cute animals please 😍😊😁
@chrismolenr5 жыл бұрын
I can use this info very Good!
@caosoftware5 жыл бұрын
ouch you use the hamster as trap :P xD
@IonNight5 жыл бұрын
Can you list the info of your recording gear in the video description? I love the lighting and the clear picture. Its more than very nice.
@searme5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, the camera is Lumix G7.
@Silly-g5 жыл бұрын
The 2007 one is my favorite
@potat64975 жыл бұрын
Why do people dislike these kinds of videos? They’re only trying to help you
@WeItenspinner5 жыл бұрын
All we want is a LEGO Powerpank with micro-USB and Bluetooth as an option additional to infra red. Damn it LEGO! Just ask your customers!
@dhruvmehan45575 жыл бұрын
I Liked the video for that cute 🐁 mouse !!!
@searme5 жыл бұрын
It's a hamster 🐹
@dhruvmehan45575 жыл бұрын
Owh oops sorryyy.... Edit : Like for that cutie hamster 🐹 👍🐹
@savagedude96895 жыл бұрын
Both of them came in a set in 2018
@violetrose46605 жыл бұрын
when you like the video just because of the hamster
@LXW-Arts5 жыл бұрын
Lego technic motors need a upgrade. Especially the led lights
@mixon05595 жыл бұрын
I have only one question. Why you didn't do a test on a technic wehicle? For example on RC tracked racer? That shuold show the real differents of these motors
@minecraft_budowle5 жыл бұрын
Cześć:)
@noahleon12354 жыл бұрын
4:42 sweet Hamster
@AlexM198755 жыл бұрын
Maybe the new one have an encoder?
@claudiobizama56035 жыл бұрын
They need to bring back the "buggy motor" Those are very expensive nowadays.
@Florian005 жыл бұрын
I still have one, love that thing
@CrippingLorrislegotechnic5 жыл бұрын
Guys keep ur lego motors they maybe can be expensive in like 10 years idk 😂 And the pf box too
@peterkiss12045 жыл бұрын
Why? The motors before the PF era weren't gone expensive after their discontinuation. BTW these new connectors are easily convertible to the stackable PF format.
@CrippingLorrislegotechnic5 жыл бұрын
@@peterkiss1204 look at the price of the buggy motor *new* and learn
@Cako10005 жыл бұрын
Oh nice I'll sell all of my 57 motors
@GalaxyNeptunia3 жыл бұрын
@@Cako1000 Yep, official PF motors are like 30 bucks
@BeaversHobby5 жыл бұрын
I think I've used this new motor in WeDo 2.0. Honestly, I'm not a fan of this new plug. But new design is quite nice and opens up a fair bit more possibilities. BTW I'm still using old 9V motor from 1990.
@searme5 жыл бұрын
WeDo 2.0 has a different motor.
@BeaversHobby5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for replying. They look so similar though.
@thundertornader54985 жыл бұрын
hamster is cute =D
@Dootchi5 жыл бұрын
I hope they're more efficient though. I'm not really bothered with the max speed and torque, I just want it to last longer under pressure without running out of energy within minutes like the Power Functions motors do.
@searme5 жыл бұрын
The Powered Up system uses AAA batteries so you can expect the exact opposite.
@Dootchi5 жыл бұрын
@@searme sigh. When will they learn..
@harrisonwims19165 жыл бұрын
They need a high speed powerful brushless motor for some real gear shredding power
@mytubewp3 жыл бұрын
Is this motor compatible with the TECHNIC hub? Can it work in servomotor mode in BrickController2 app?
@jacobfresh95434 жыл бұрын
what happened to the s and xs pf motors?
@incredible_max5 жыл бұрын
I think this new connector could be about controllability. Not just speed, but also position like in the mindstorms sets. The concept of getting information about the angle of the motor also completly denies the option to stack them up since each one has to be spoken with speratly. Only future will tell, maybe some new block will be added which has the option to stack these or so, but it will then need more space for sure...
@lunasmakers5456 Жыл бұрын
Not exactly, in reality PF get a special motor called "SERVO" than has the angle option function too, with stack capability too.
@ravzir5 жыл бұрын
So why are there 6 wires in the new one after all?
@DV-135 жыл бұрын
2 more for speed control.
@giottist36245 жыл бұрын
Not at all, they have different functions. In most cases they give an information to the hub what device is plugged in. The BOOST motor (missing in this video) delivers an angle decoder signal, the WeDo and BOOST Sensors communicate with the two wires using the I2C protocol. If you're curious, look here: www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/162288-powered-up-a-tear-down/
@austind26175 жыл бұрын
To sum up what Giottist said, it just needs to send and receive more information to do just a little bit more then pf motors
@dragontechroyale4k4475 жыл бұрын
Reverse
@brickolo_5 жыл бұрын
For app to recognise different motors
@user-yf9hf2ne3d5 жыл бұрын
What is the background music using this video?
@CY55883 жыл бұрын
Use the standard medium motor instead of simple medium linear motor featured and compare the torque with the PF L motor
@vladimirchervenkov69495 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
@JimTrivial5 жыл бұрын
because they pulled one apple ass "upgrade" on us. Removing features that are really useful, adding barely anything of worth, and more or less its the same exact thing. If this works out and they dont get enough flak they are going to keep doing it, its how business works. This is the lego equivalent of the F-35 program, its a non-upgrade that has less situational usefulness, which is what this thing is built around.
@taeowood90335 жыл бұрын
han solo copy right!
@infinitytv49465 жыл бұрын
привет
@user-ll9mv2xj4s5 жыл бұрын
@@infinitytv4946 hello
@nellyagustin84265 жыл бұрын
I am proud to be part of making Lego
@pkijankaable5 жыл бұрын
What about 2019 first TECHNICS Sets? No Powered up function`s? Any information what and when we can expect? Is it still worth to buy 42030 set to get all power functions?
@searme5 жыл бұрын
I'll have some info on December 16th.
@pkijankaable5 жыл бұрын
Dziękuję, myślałem jak dodać PW na zbudujmyto lub na FB, Mam Twoja książkę i buduje z synem ale jedyny silnik jaki posiadam to lego boost i masakrycznie się buduje z użyciem tego. Posiadamy nowy lego train wiec już mam nadajnik i odbiornik i bardzo liczę na silniki :). Czekam na informacje w takim układzie !!!
@DigitalJedi5 жыл бұрын
No backwards compatibility, and non-stackable plugs. I don't like where this is headed. However the new plugs do look compatable.with the mindstorms controller bricks so maybe?
@searme5 жыл бұрын
They are not compatible with Mindstorms.
@tuankiettran88113 жыл бұрын
@@searme or 9v. Or maybe 4.5v.
@animemanXLK5 жыл бұрын
are there any adapters so you can attach these new motors to power function recievers?
@searme5 жыл бұрын
Not at the moment, no.
@44R0Ndin4 жыл бұрын
Without doing any research, I'm sure that since it's been a year that either there's an aftermarket thing now or Lego has released something.
@ozcanozkaya83344 жыл бұрын
Hello any idea about what is New Smart Hub's gate 'D' for? 4th port I mean. Can we connect hubs parallel ? I tried to connect 4th L motor to gate 'D' - but it is not working. Any idea? I try to do 6x6 with 3 XL and 1 L motor. Is it possible with new power motor setup? thanks
@searme4 жыл бұрын
Too many motors per one hub, I guess.
@game-tea5 жыл бұрын
lovely mouse! it also not nice that LEGO introduced this new motor line because they are pretty different.
@drewdawson50633 жыл бұрын
Mouse? I thought it was a hamster?
@game-tea3 жыл бұрын
@@drewdawson5063 sus
@JohnnyGearBot5 жыл бұрын
Can you use the Lego power up motor without app?
@searme5 жыл бұрын
Not as far as I know.
@SnowTerebi5 жыл бұрын
So basically the shape fills more empty area thus provides better structural integrity?
@the_wombat_goat33684 жыл бұрын
We need to gang up on LEGO, not support the new control + and PU!!!!!!
@mattyaqin75015 жыл бұрын
The old looks cool though
@remihu18025 жыл бұрын
So.. Better or not ? Maybe within the future we'll see ^^
@kadebrown61625 жыл бұрын
cool!
@laurechancel855 жыл бұрын
great :-)
@sfrerku3 ай бұрын
Is there a way to control the exact position of the servo? Or is it only -90, +90 and 0?
@searme3 ай бұрын
You can control it precisely with SBrick.
@real.ilya_remov5 жыл бұрын
I'll never buy this unless LEGO releases a PF converter. Also, what is the PF E again?
@searme5 жыл бұрын
A disaster.
@thibautdalez42475 жыл бұрын
Sbrick is working on a converter
@ilyaastroymov91735 жыл бұрын
Я русский
@legocboy83625 жыл бұрын
youknow i like the m moter better and why ist so much cheaper !
@monochrome_ow5 жыл бұрын
wait, what is the motor that was shown at the 4:29 mark? and how come I have never seen it before?
@searme5 жыл бұрын
It's PF E motor, that's why it's called PF E in the video, and it's described along with all others in my book.
@Kni00025 жыл бұрын
Why not just make a Bluetooth adaptor for the current power functions? I dont see the point in 6 wires as well.
@oliviermatyjaszczyk11matyj435 жыл бұрын
Jak zawsze good ;-)
@robomindvale36345 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Magewater4 жыл бұрын
1990: Fly car in 2020 2020: LEGO HELICOPTER WITH EARTH CORE
@Ma3enGamer5 жыл бұрын
Still, Faster Than A PRIUS
@jasperbayless4 жыл бұрын
And in hampster's profession opinion: Ugh! Plastic! ...now where are my peanuts???
@steamd955 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is, that the new Powered Up, M motor is, 3x more expensive then the Power Functions, M motor. I’m going to stick to Power Functions, for now