NEW Lenovo Legion 7i Gaming PC Review - i9 13900KF RTX 4080!

[@DemCrumblies]

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[@samwong1083]

Not sure if it is just me, I bought 2x16GB 5600 mhz ram and installed them to my new legion tower i7 so that I can have 64GB memory in total instead the default 32GB coming with the machine. While it is working, I found ram speed is now only at 4000 mhz. I then opted to bios and changed the memory setting to "xmp profile 1", the machine wouldn't boot. It simply kept failing to boot then eventually you are taken to a screen saying it is not working and settings have been restored to default. Changing the memory configuration to default again, the system can start but ram is stuck at 4000 mhz. I also tried using manual profile to set frequency to 5600 mhz and changing the voltage to 1.3, same issue. Not sure if anyone has a solution to this issue.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@samwong1083 Hey Sam, I know some motherboards can only run the ram at a lower speed when all 4 ram slots are occupied. I've even heard of people running ram in slots 2 and 4 for max speed and putting in dummy RGB sticks in slots 1 and 3 to balance the look. Which RAM sticks are you using? I recently made a video where I replaced the default green Samsung sticks with Corsair's dominator platinum sticks (2x16GB a@ 5600) and it runs at 5600 mhz. I just bought another two sticks that I'm gonna install next week, so I think I'll likely run into the same lower RAM speed with all 4 slots occupied. Hopefully it boots though without issue. I'll let you know my experience once I have all 4 sticks in and the speed it runs at.

[@samwong1083]

@@DemCrumblies Hi Dem, for some reason my reply kept getting removed, but the ram I got is "TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan DDR5 32GB Kit (2x16GB) 5600MHz (PC5-44800) CL32 Desktop Memory Module Ram (Black) for Z690- FLBD532G5600HC32DC01". Not sure if it is an issue with the ram compatibility, but good luck with your upgrade next week!

[@DemCrumblies]

@@samwong1083 Hey Sam, I think it was removing the reply if you had a URL in it. I already installed a 32 GB kit at 5600 and it's running at 5600 here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk It looks like as you go up in memory capacity, the speed will go down. It will go down even more if you populate all 4 slots, but sounds like you're only populating 2 slots right? I highly recommend you check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rau5i5qKhZdlZpY It's been eye opening for me and really highlights all the factors that can influence ram speed and stability.

[@samwong1083]

@@DemCrumblies Hi Dem, I use all 4 slots 4x16GB and it is stuck on 4000mhz. I read some reddit posts and watched couple utube videos, it does seem that to get xmp working, it is better to just use 2 slots, I ordered 2x32GB Corsair's dominator already(not gonna go cheap memory this time, plus I love the RGB lighting lol) and will give them a try. Hopefully I will have 64GB running at 5600 mhz by then. Thanks for the video links and I am going to check them out.

[@cyberelfwiseman8600]

This is great! By far the best review I found online. Really liked you compared buying all part and integrate PC yourself vs just buying this 👌👌

[@DemCrumblies]

Thanks for watching CyberELF! Yep, it's a great value, and even better value when it goes on sale!

[@winstonng7310]

Great detailed review!

[@redwolf48845]

That 4080 has to be the best looking OEM graphics card I've seen. Triple fan cooler, large flow through area with subtle RGB touches throughout.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea they've done an awesome job with it. I love the squarish and boxy design and yep, the RGB is a nice addition. I just hope they let us change the color later. Thanks for watching Seth 🙂

[@ozzy8175]

@@DemCrumbliesany update about the RGB? I’m bouta go pick it up. Just wondering so I’m not screwing around later

[@DemCrumblies]

@@ozzy8175 Still no option to adjust the RGB through the Lenovo Vantage software : |

[@chazman752000]

I'm sure prices have come down since this review came out but I got this for 2k and I absolutely love it.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep it's a solid PC. Just be sure to update the BIOS to the newest version through the Lenovo Vantage software.

[@timewaveZer0]

Thanks for your review! It helped me decide to pick up this year's model on lenovo's website. RTX 4080 Super i9-14900KF 2TB SSD $ 2,500USD after tax w/shipping.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @timewaveZer0, thanks for watching my video :) Those specs sounds awesome! I also made a video about upgrading the RAM if you ever want to to add RGB here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk Enjoy your new PC whenever it's delivered!

[@cheifosa8087]

How is it ? Just ordered mine a couple days ago. Is the ram running at 5600mhz or 4000mhz ?

[@lawfulneptune14]

this was actually a really done review, great work!

[@DemCrumblies]

Glad to hear it, thanks for watching 😀

[@Rhinzlah]

Just ordered mine today can’t wait!

[@DemCrumblies]

Awesome! Which configuration did you get? I also made some videos with small upgrades here if you're ever interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk and kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZrbkHavaslgaq8 Btw, the recent BIOS updates let you run the RAM at the advertised speeds now. @Rhinzlah

[@Rhinzlah]

I got the same one. With the i9 and 4080. Already have the Corsair 64g 6000 and a 2tb Samsung 990 pro in a basket.

[@Rhinzlah]

I’ve watched your update videos 2x for each ones!

[@DemCrumblies]

Wow you move fast lol. Thanks for watching my vids man 👍

[@Rhinzlah]

Or as fast as I will be in a week or so! Let’s Go!

[@got2bmacisageek]

That's what I suspected. A psu swap shouldn't be a big deal. That's great that they got the ram speed issue sorted out. I'm definitely considering buying one of these soon. Thanks for the update and i'll be sure to check out your latest video about the ram.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea so glad we have more RAM options now, good luck!

[@spede1]

The XMP options seems to be available depending on the RAM that is used. I've switched out RAM and the XMP option went away even though the RAM was XMP. A BIOS update made the default RAM recognize XMP . Mine is running at 5600.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey spededpat, yep XMP profiles are embedded in the ram modules. Whenever the motherboard finds an XMP profile, it will display it in the motherboard options. The April BIOS update allowed the XMP option, which wasn't available at the time of this review. Btw, you can check this review where I upgraded the RAM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk (I actually since returned the ram in this video and upgraded to Corsair's 64 GB 6000 Mhz ram and it runs at 6000 Mhz easily.

[@Rhinzlah]

I was looking at the Corsair 64 6000. So it’s good to go no issues?

[@DemCrumblies]

I'm running Corsair 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) Dominator Platinum at 6000 mhz. If you get 4 sticks, you won't hit close to those speeds though. Ideal setup is just having 2X 32 GB sticks.@@Rhinzlah

[@CrusadeFury2-nh6dv]

@DemCrumbliesTech the new i7 tower only have 5200 ram not 5600 ram. Is that a big difference?

[@DemCrumblies]

After a BIOS update, the RAM speed is now running at 5600 Mhz. I also installed Corsair 64GB 6000 Mhz RAM on mine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@CrusadeFury2-nh6dv]

@@DemCrumblies I was just saying on there website they only sell it now with 5200 ram not 5600

[@DemCrumblies]

@@CrusadeFury2-nh6dv Got it. I can't confirm it, but it's possible that the RAM is still capable of 5600 mhz speed, but it ships with it set to 5200 mhz. I'd say to ask Lenovo support, but they are not always reliable for giving the right answers.

[@CrusadeFury2-nh6dv]

@DemCrumblies how has it held up so far? Was thinking of getting the 4070ti or the 4080 with the i7 13700k

[@DemCrumblies]

@@CrusadeFury2-nh6dv It's been amazing so far! Zero issues since I've had it. I actually left it running for over a month continuously when I went on vacation so I could remote in any time I wanted and no issues with crashing or powering off. I mostly use mine for work though and 4K video editing and photoshop, not much gaming though.

[@Maka91Productions]

Do you think it’d be possible to use a PCIe riser to vertically mount the GPU to regain access to the extra PCIe x 4 for an elgato capture card?

[@DemCrumblies]

If you have any of the 40 series cards, I don't think it will be possible because the cards take up around 3 slots and the vertical slots on this case are only two slots. The GPUs are just so thick now.

[@leonanisuzzaman]

Hey just gonna say this is an amazing review! I was thinking about buying this 4070ti and you've provided all the info I need. Really a well-rounded review! Keep it up!

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @leonanisuzzaman4897, thank you so much for the support. I truly appreciate it. 🙂 Btw, if you use sites like Rakuten, you can sometimes get cash back. Depending on the sales agent you speak with also, they can sometimes apply a small discount if you tell them you're willing to buy the same day. Good luck!

[@Random-yz8gb]

did you buy it? i am thinking of getting that one too or 3080 12900k version for abt 100 cheaper

[@leonanisuzzaman]

@Random-yz8gb Hey! Yes, I did end up buying this, and the experience I've had so far has been amazing! It's really well built, and the air flow is good too. There's no issue so far. If you don't mind me asking, what's the price for the 4070ti? IMO, go for the 4070ti cause it's the current gen gpu, and as far as I know, it's performs better than 3080.

[@DnochRL]

I was able to change my ram speed up to 5600 in bios. There was options to increase the speed all the way up to 8400 mhz. But i was way too scared to go higher than 5600

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, a BIOS update lets us change the speeds now. I made a video about it because I'm now running 64GB of Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM at 6000 mhz: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@DnochRL]

@@DemCrumblies thank you for such an awesome review. I'm having trouble installing the BIOS Update Utility - 11 - O5UKT3FA on lenovo vantage. It keeps saying "failed to install" after downloading and rebooting serval times. Do you have any idea that could help?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@DnochRL Hey there, try going to support.lenovo.com and let it scan your PC and suggest the BIOS Update and do it from there to see if it helps. Just ensure that it scans correctly so you're applying the correct BIOS update.

[@simbanuba]

Thanks for the great videos! I have watched all 3 of your videos on this PC and finally bought one. Do you have any recommendations on how to clean the fans and AIO? Is there a way to remove the front grill?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey thanks for watching my videos : ) And congrats on the purchase! I believe the front grill can be removed by prying it upwards from the bottom, but I haven't tried to remove it yet since it's so set in there, but according to Lenovo it can be removed: download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/pubs/legion_t5_26/index_en.html#replacement (Go to "Explore Your Computer" then click on "Hardware Replacement" then click on Front Bezel) To clean mine, I've been using the DataVac Electric Dust Blower: amzn.to/48tV9xh (Affiliate Link)

[@simbanuba]

@DemCrumblies Wow, thanks so much for your quick response. I bought mine certified refurbished for $2099, and I'm very happy with it. It's like new and comes with a 1 year warranty from Lenovo. However, the Amazon seller is telling me it takes a week for the warranty to activate. I did adjust the RAM to 5600MT in the Bios, and I'll probably add a second SSD. I appreciate your excellent videos!

[@DemCrumblies]

@@simbanuba Awesome, great price! Some viewers have added in the 2nd SSD at the top slot without removing the GPU by going very slowly and carefully. Good luck and thanks again for watching 🙂

[@simbanuba]

@DemCrumblies I did see your video when you added the Kingston SSD, and I'll do the same by adding it to the top slot. I have already opened up the case and removed the RTX4080 to inspect all the parts. I can confirm that all the parts appear identical to your video except for my PSU. I have a LiteOn 850-watt Gold Plus PSU, but it doesn't have the on/off switch like yours at the back. I'm guessing the PSU was replaced. I bought a brand new Alienware R15 with the Ryzen 9 7900X and RTX4080, and the darn PSU died within a couple of hours of me playing Cyberpunk on it. Alienware offered to send out a technician and replace it in 2 days, but I read too many negative reviews on Alienware. Decided to get the Legion, and it's faster.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@simbanuba Yea great choice to switch to Legion. I used to only buy Alienware before and I'm so glad I switched, way more reliable so far!

[@tri0xin]

awesome review.. just ordered the 4090 variant for 2688.. substantial drop in 6 months. Your review is great.. other than the ram issue everything else looks extremely solid.

[@DemCrumblies]

Wow, excellent price! The ram issue has been solved with a BIOS update after my review. You can now run the shipped ram at 5600 Mhz. I also made a follow-up video here, where I swapped in Corsair Dominator Platinum ram at 5600 mhz, but I wasn't satisfied, so I returned it and got the same ram in 6000 mhz and it runs stable. Some other viewers are running at 7000 mhz even. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@tri0xin]

@@DemCrumblies cool.. I'll check out that video. From the yourutbe/benchmark videos it looks like as far as gaming it won't effect framerate if your playing at 4k.. definitely made a difference gaming at 1080p and a bit at 1440p. Is that kinda what you have found?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey William, yea I don't anticipate a huge improvement with gaming by going from 5600 Mhz to a higher speed. When I tested games, it was at a lower speed than 5600 Mhz, and I didn't feel like the gaming experience was compromised. I haven't gamed at all since the review though, because I mostly use this for work and 4K editing.@@tri0xin

[@petejams7340]

Is there room to add a dedicated sound card like an Audigy?

[@DemCrumblies]

There is a small pcie slot at the bottom of the GPU: psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/Legion/Legion_T7_34IRZ8/Legion_T7_34IRZ8_Spec.pdf You can see the slot here at this part in the video if you pause it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gojafnSrh9CcY8k

[@ConfusedDesertCreature-cr7xo]

I got the pc very easy to set up and a big upgrade as my first pc since I was on a ps5 before.

[@DemCrumblies]

Nice, that's quite the upgrade and a great first choice!

[@shanebluesky7452]

Bro i want to as well. Seeing ps5pro why not put like 300-400$ more and get a device to play games for the next 10 yrs as opposed to 5yrs and subpar and upscaled games. How much you got it for?

[@ConfusedDesertCreature-cr7xo]

@@shanebluesky7452 I got it for around 2.5k only

[@wolfstorm5394]

@@DemCrumblies Do you think the AIO could be mounted to the top as an exhaust?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@wolfstorm5394I don't think it would fit at the top because the AIO is quite long.

[@shakeeaandbakee08]

Awesome review!

[@DemCrumblies]

Thanks Glen! Btw, after I finished this review, Lenovo released BIOS updates and Vantage software updates to allow the RAM to run at the rated speed and to enable XMP profiles as well. The GPU lights can now be changed or turned off completely. Thanks for watching 🙂

[@ACBoomin]

Great review! Liked and subbed

[@DemCrumblies]

Thanks so much A. Cast!

[@Cenot4ph]

Very good review, thorough

[@DemCrumblies]

Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching Cenot4ph 🙂

[@dcjrsrt10]

Can't find a video to show how to remove and clean the front where the 3 fans are, would you happen to know a place where I can find a way that shows how to clean it.

[@DemCrumblies]

I don't have a video, but check this link and go to the Front Bezel section: download.lenovo.com/consumer/desktop_pub/legion_t7_34irz8_hmm_202211.pdf (page 55)

[@dcjrsrt10]

@@DemCrumblies thanks

[@DemCrumblies]

@@dcjrsrt10 You're welcome, let me know how you make out.

[@dcjrsrt10]

It went great man super easy to get to the 3 fans,the grill does a good job of hiding the dust. I live in a very dusty rural area, after removing the grill the metal filter that's not removable had alot of dust. I'm glad I was able to get this done, I will attack the dust every month now and not wait 6 months since I bought it in January.

[@dcjrsrt10]

I ordered a 3 piece magnetic dust fan filters from Amazon hopefully this helps with the amount of dust that enters to the fans and into the pc

[@AG19901990]

Hey there ! Nice video ! I am about to get this tower delivered on the 10th this month. Super excited. Are there any tips and tricks to share about setting up the desktop as best as possible? for example, where can I get the drivers for the components? are there any special settings that need to be turned on/off? Any advice would be appreciated !

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @AG19901990, congrats! It's been an awesome computer so far. You can update the system from the pre-installed Lenovo Vantage software. To update the BIOS, you can go to support.lenovo.com/ If you got the 32 GB version with 2 RAM sticks, you'll be able to run at 5600 Mhz speed with the newest BIOS update (running at 5600 mhz does void the warranty though). If you got the 64 GB version with 4 RAM sticks, you'll likely only get 4000 or 4400 Mhz speed, but that's still plenty fine for gaming. I have my computer set to performance mode. I don't use overclock because it's a really small improvement and it voids the warranty. I also made two other videos where I switched our the RAM for RGB RAM and added in another NVMe drive here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZrbkHavaslgaq8 and kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@ED93878]

@@DemCrumblies Appreciate the detailed review! Question for you, would it still void the warranty to use the stock RAM at 5600 mhz? Or is it only if you use aftermarket RAM sticks?

[@DemCrumblies]

@elid5904 That's kinda hard to say since Lenovo released the BIOS update to attain the 5600 mhz speed they advertise on their site. I know enabling XMP voids it, but I can't remember if hitting 5600 mhz had any warning now, sorry. You could always just set it back down to the shipped RAM speed before you ever send it back for warranty, providing the motherboard or psu didn't give up.

[@terryrozierfan7913]

I just ordered the 4090 do you know if they fixed the issue withe 4400mhz for the 4090 got a nice deal on it looking forward to it and you should definitely review it because this review sold me even more only person doing a detailed one

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey terry, I wish I could review the 4090 version, but I'm not important enough for Lenovo to send me any PCs for review 😀 So I have to review whatever I buy personally. When I bought this one, they didn't have any other configurations available, only the 4080 model. There seems to be a limitation with 4 sticks of RAM with 13th gen intel boards. If you run two sticks of ram, you can get speeds like 5600 Mhz or 6000 Mhz. I'm actually running 2 sticks of 32GB (64 GB) total of Corsair Memory after Lenovo released a BIOS update. I tried with 4 sticks of Corsair ram, but I couldn't hit rated XMP speeds. Here's a video where I showed my upgrade to Corsair's RAM - 32 GB with 2 sticks at 5600 Mhz: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@volcalstone]

Do you mind letting me know what deal you got on it? It seems like the 4090 tower isn't on sale at this time. I am able to get a work discount on it rn so it's down to around $3,600. I'm looking to call them to see what else they could do as well. It looks like I might've missed out on a sale recently?

[@terryrozierfan7913]

@@volcalstone I would just do the work discount the discount I got is probably cause we're in different locations but you could probably wait for a back to school sale

[@GazVanDyk]

Hey, great review. I just picked up this PC on a black Friday deal. The one I bought only has 16gb DDR5 5600. I will be upgrading to s 2 x 16 for 32gb. Any compatible suggestions for this specific PC? Many thanks.

[@DemCrumblies]

It's a great PC! Check this video and the comments under it. Corsair Dominator or Vengeance ram works well, basically any speed or ram capacity. I recommend getting 2x 16gb or 2x 32gb, depending on your needs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@trynottodie488]

Old video but thank you i am Going pick this one up for 1999.99 rn thank you sooo much for the testing

[@DemCrumblies]

That's a great price. Just ensure you do all the BIOS updates and any other updates through the Lenovo Vantage software, especially since the headlines about 13th and 14th gen intel CPUs. Btw, I also made videos about upgrading the RAM and adding storage if you're interested. The newest BIOS update lets you run the stock RAM at 5600 mhz now.

[@trynottodie488]

@DemCrumblies yea definitely the bios update because of the 14th gen

[@johnnyboogalo4897]

Ordered the 4090 version myself.I was goign get the i7 last year but decided to hold out for one with 4090 and now its here.Should be here in a week.Can i switch the ram? looking at corsair 5600mhz dominator myself as i don't like the green ram and want some RGB ram.Should be no issue? Gonna add 4tb ssd and 2tb HDD also.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Johnny, congratulations! I saw the price dropped by 5% recently too, so hopefully you got that discount. I'm also looking to switch the ram on mine at some point, but I haven't decided yet. Was also looking at the dominator ram, but I'm not sure of compatibility because Lenovo doesn't have a QVL list. It may take some trial and error, so just be sure to purchase from somewhere that has easy returns. Yea I also have to add some additional NVMe storage later too. Btw, in this video I mentioned the ram running at lower than the rated speed, but the newest BIOS update lets you run it at 5600 Mhz, but with higher latency over the 4800 Mhz speed.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Johnny, I just upgraded the ram to the Corsair Dominator Platinum today. It works 100%, but you can check out the video if you like. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@petersonfamily6223]

I started to have issues with my system - 30% of the time it will power off and I have to unplug the power cord and can reboot without issue. 70% of the time I shut down normally and I cannot reboot the system unless I unplug and replug the power cord to boot it up again. Once I do so the system seems to run without issue unless it shuts down. I have checked temps and don't see any issues there, I also adjusted all Power options so nothing is Hibernating, Sleeping, or shutting down. I checked all logs and don't see any issues and rean sfc /scannow, DISM /online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth, DISM /online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth, and DISM /online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth and everything seemed fine. I have never seen a system that would not boot unless you unplug and replug. I am not waiting and within seconds of unplugging and replugging I can reboot. My first thought is it is the power supply or motherboard. I ran memory stress tests that passed as well. Lenovo thinks it is one or both of those devices as well which means the entire system has to be rebuilt. Lenovo has stated some others are having the same issue and they have reached out to Microsoft for some input. I am not looking forward to a new machine being rebuilt but I have no option and wanted to know if anyone else is having the same issues? I did updated to Windows 11 Pro but that shouldn't cause an issue. The CPU and GPU are not overclocked and I run on Balanced. The system doesn't run loud and the fans never get very loud. Any thoughts? Thanks

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey, wow, I'm sorry to hear that. I haven't been having any issues with mine. I just ran Windows update and it says I'm up to date. There is "2023-6 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5027303)" there to download, but I don't think I will download that to be on the safe side because I use my computer for work and it needs to be as stable as possible. Yea, it also sounds like the PSU if I had to guess. Btw I have no clue what the ECO button does at the rear of the PSU, but does flicking that do anything? But yea, could be the motherboard too. Maybe even the CMOS battery. Btw, is your computer plugged into a UPS or surge protector? I always try to plug my computers into a UPS in case of surges.

[@petersonfamily6223]

@@DemCrumblies Thanks I didnt know there is a ECO button on the PSU! I will have to look into that. The supplied power cord was too short so I had to use and extender which might, very slim might, the issue so I purchased a 10 foot 15A, 14 AWG power cord to remove this possibility. Service was supposed to call back in 30 minutes yesterday but that didn't happen so I will wait for them to get back to me while I try out the new power cord and check a few more things..

[@DemCrumblies]

@@petersonfamily6223 I have the ECO switch off on mine. If yours is already set to off, that shouldn't be the culprit. Hopefully, the fix is simple with the heavier gauge power cable. Keep me updated when you can. I'm curious to hear how it turns out and what they recommend as the next steps. They usually send out a replacement desktop while you keep the problematic one so you don't have lots of downtime, but hopefully the cable fixes the issue.

[@boraozcivit]

Great review, thank you. I got company discount and cost me 2.000€ for same pc, it's insane and so excited.

[@DemCrumblies]

That's a wonderful price for those specs! You can check out my other videos on this desktop if you want to upgrade the ram or add more storage 😉

[@boraozcivit]

@@DemCrumblies Thank you so much :) I have one question, I will update my ram with Corsair option but could not sure which one is should I buy, CMT32GX5M2B6400C32 or CMT32GX5M2B5600C36 and this upgrade will impact my warranty ? Thanks again

[@DemCrumblies]

@@boraozcivit Hey there, the first option at 6400 Mhz CL32 will be fastest, but even if you got the second option at 5600 mhz at CL36, it's still perfectly fine for gaming. I bought the 6000 mhz speed at 64GB at CL40 and it still feels fast enough for me, so any option will work. However, if you want to know you have super fast RAM, then the first option is best. About the warranty, I think it could affect the warranty (I never asked Lenovo to confirm though), but what I did was to keep the stock RAM that came with the PC, that way if I ever need to return the PC to Lenovo for warranty, I can put back in the stock RAM so it looks pretty much untouched.

[@boraozcivit]

@@DemCrumbliesthank you so much for respond, will go through CL32 option not much price difference and keep old Ram 😊

[@DemCrumblies]

@@boraozcivit Sounds good! Btw, when will you receive it? Let me know how you find it once you get it.

[@wolfstorm5394]

Do you think the AIO could be mounted to the top as an exhaust?

[@DemCrumblies]

I replied to your other comment, but I don't think it can fit since the AIO is so long.

[@wolfstorm5394]

​@@DemCrumblies I have one and been curious about this, I can see a 240mm will fit for sure, the 360mm looks like it might, and that's a big might, wanted to see if anybody else tried it, its looking like the cords from the front panel might get in the way since they're at the top front

[@DemCrumblies]

@@wolfstorm5394 Just keep in mind about voiding the warranty if anything comes up later unless you're past the warranty period. I'm mostly leaving mine intact in case I experience any 13th or 14th gen Intel issues that requires repair or replacement.

[@wolfstorm5394]

@@DemCrumblies I got mine after all the microcode patches so I should be okay, I still have about 8months left in warranty but I personally don't care much for it, I tend to fix my own problems without waiting on warranty

[@DemCrumblies]

@@wolfstorm5394 If you end up moving it, lemme know if it fits. I found one thread on Reddit about something asking the same, but they didn't go through with it.

[@CultClassicHero1989]

Would you recommend this one over the HP Omen 35L with a 4080 GPU & Ryzen 8700g CPU?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey I haven't used the HP Omen, but I remember looking at it before I bought this PC and the price and specs were not worth it when I checked in Canada. My Legion Desktop is still going strong and I recently upgraded the RAM to 64GB at 6000 mhz speed without issue after the BIOS was updated. I would normally recommend this PC over the HP Omen, but since Intel 13th and 14th gen had the CPU degradation issues, it does make me a bit weary to recommend it now. I would say if you go with the Legion, get an extended warranty just to be extra safe because so far mine has been working solid without issues.

[@CultClassicHero1989]

@DemCrumblies thank you for the quick response

[@DemCrumblies]

@@CultClassicHero1989 You're welcome, let me know what you end up deciding if you decide to pull the trigger. Btw, if you're leaning towards Lenovo, I remember using their sales chat to negotiate a discount before I ordered and I also used Rakuten to get cash back on it.

[@CultClassicHero1989]

I was able to get a similar model with a 14900kf for 2,586 with a 3 yr mail in upgrade.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@CultClassicHero1989 That's great! Which GPU did it come with and how much RAM and storage?

[@codyspencer3491]

Man I just got the 4090 version today and it was supposed to come with 4x 16 GB DDR5-5600 but when I go to task manager and look at the ram speed it says 4000 MHz. Using the Vantage software to check for updates it says no updates are available. What am I missing?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Cody, congrats! Try going to support.lenovo.com/ and scan your computer and download the newest BIOS file and run it. After you do that, boot into the BIOS and enable XMP. You can check my video here about the boot settings: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@codyspencer3491]

@Dem Crumblies Tech man I installed the same BIOS file you have O5UKT1DA and when I boot into BIOS I have no boost option under memory only a Default option

[@DemCrumblies]

@@codyspencer3491 Hey Cody, what happens if you go into the Full settings -> Advanced -> Memory Setup shown in the video instead of on the BIOS dashboard? Maybe you can try reinstalling the BIOS file to be certain it flashed correctly. If you already see O5UKT1DA on the BIOS dashboard screen, then you don't have to flash it again, but you might have to contact Lenovo because if you see O5UKT1DA on the BIOS dashboard, you should see the XMP option in the Memory Setup area once you go into the full Settings. Let me know.

[@codyspencer3491]

@Dem Crumblies Tech yeah I'm gonna have to contact support. I dont have the XMP option in the advanced settings, only default or custom profile. Plus, where yours says Frequency = 4800 MHz mine says Frequency = 4000 MHz

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea that's odd. If you definitely see the correct BIOS version in the BIOS dashboard, best to contact support to see what they recommend before you try to reflash it. Let me know what they say, I'm curious.

[@SteveJarek]

Would you buy this Lenovo or the HP 45L option? I’m looking for the best stability and cooling they both have the same CPU and GPU

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Coolstuff123, I haven't used the HP 45L, but it looks like the Lenovo Legion would have slightly better airflow than the 45L. Both this PC and the previous generation have been solid with no hardware issues, so I feel more comfortable with Lenovo's build quality. But yea, since I haven't used the 45L, I can't fairly say and I might be a bit biased.

[@VGBeezy]

You may not have this PC anymore, but have you tried putting those ram sticks into another PC to see if it can get the speeds higher?

[@DemCrumblies]

I still have it and use it actually, but I swapped in Corsair Dominator 6000 mhz sticks and it works at full speed. Actually since this review, Lenovo released a BIOS update that lets you run the stock sticks at 5600 mhz now.

[@VGBeezy]

@@DemCrumblies oh perfect thank you! Looking to buy a Legion tower next month

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea they had some decent prices for Black Friday, but maybe you'll get better deals for boxing day.@@VGBeezy

[@petersonfamily6223]

Thanks for the review. The Lenovo is the best buy compared to the comparably equipped Corsair Vengeance i7400 and i8100. Are the MvNE heat sinks supplied as shown? Also, with the front mount radiator, is hot air being blown into the case, which then has to be exhausted out the top and back?

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, from what I remember, it includes the heat sinks. I'm actually planning on adding another NVMe drive this weekend or early next week, so I can confirm 100% after I do the upgrade. Yep, the front pulls in air and the top and rear fans exhaust.

[@SwissOliver]

Hi Adrien 6 months later, what do you still think about that machine? Still recommanding it? I'm so unsure if I should buy it or perhaps an Alienware R15 / R16

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Van Oliver, I'd 100% still recommend it. I've been using it basically 24/7 as my daily driver computer. It's been on for days at a stretch since I'm trying to upload all my data online to backup and zero issues with it being loud, getting too hot, etc. I'm also rendering 4K videos at least weekly and no issues there also. It's been solid and reliable so far. I normally would never recommended Alienware because of their proprietary designs. I saw the R16 and it looks decent from the outside for airflow, but I'd check reviews about it on KZbin before you decide. I used to only be an Alienware user, but now I'd never go back to their desktops. I'd only consider their laptops now, and even then, I'd probably go with Lenovo Legion laptops.

[@SwissOliver]

@@DemCrumblies hi, thx a lot. 2 more questions 1) Shall I go for the 4080 or the 4090? 2) have you experienced the lenovo support? Thx

[@DemCrumblies]

I think it'll depend on the type of games you plan on playing or if you'll be doing stuff like heavy rendering. A lot of people have gotten the 4080 and can play pretty much most games on max settings, but if you don't plan on buying another computer for a while or upgrading the GPU then getting the 4090 is good to future-proof yourself a bit and to avoid wondering "what if". When I bought mine, only the 4080 version was available, so even though the 4090 models are out, I don't feel like the 4080 is letting me down at all for what I use it for. I've only contacted Lenovo support when I had the previous 7th generation model which has a slightly dented side panel. I contacted them to ship me a replacement side panel, and they just shipped me a brand new replacement computer and I sent the old one back even though the only issue was a small dent, so my experience has been great with them so far. However, I've also seen other viewers mention had interactions, so it isn't a guarantee like with most companies. @@SwissOliver

[@SwissOliver]

@@DemCrumblies appreciate, thanks a lot

[@DemCrumblies]

You're welcome. Good luck.@@SwissOliver

[@cannibalbunny]

I’m looking to get this pc, but some reviews mention things like games and apps crashing and some even said it didn’t work at all. I know to get the warranty but I’m scared of the risk of issues like that.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @cannibalbunny, I haven't had crashing apps so far. I actually left this computer on for over a month while I was on vacation because I was remote log into it and it was always online. With games, some crashes could be due to display driver issues, but that'll usually be on the Nvidia side or the game side, not with the actual hardware. I did stress test mine, put it through a variety of benchmarks and it didn't crash once. I could see crashes happening with really new games when they haven't been fully optimized though.

[@yingyulu2111]

Hesitating between this and the legion 7i laptop 2023; Which one would you recommend

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Yingyu Lu, if you don't need portability, I always recommend a desktop over a laptop. The desktop will have higher performance due to the higher power draw. Airflow will also be better on the desktop so you will have better temperatures, and you'll be able to upgrade components easily and add more storage options.

[@Homga1]

I bought the 4090 version of this PC a year ago. It was great in the beginning, however in the last month or so, some clicky sounds is coming from the PC. I don't know if it is the fans or something else. Tried to use the warranty but the store says there is nothing wrong with it. So if some clicky sound annoys you like me just be aware of the issue.

[@DemCrumblies]

That's weird, almost sounds like if the fan blades could be hitting a wire or something? Maybe also try to see if you tell if the sound comes from the PSU too.

[@Homga1]

​@@DemCrumblies The sounds are coming from the front of the PC. The weird part is that the click sound first starts 5-10 minuts after I turn the PC on. I Guess I just have to live with it. My comment was just meant to raise awareness to other potential buyers of this PC.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@Homga1 Yea it's good to know what you're getting into for any potential buyer, but that noise should not occur. If it comes from the front and only after 5 to 10 minutes of turning the PC on, Lenovo support should have at least replaced the front fans to rule it out I think.

[@michaelgalansky]

Would you say the 4400 max speed is a deal breaker from getting this pc?

[@DemCrumblies]

Overall no because I still had pretty good benchmark scores and rendering times. It just bothers me out of principle I guess seeing that the stick is rated to run higher, but is limited. Didn't really affect my gaming or productivity performance though. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks for watching 🙂

[@ButtVoyage]

A BIOS update was released a couple of days ago that includes XMP profile and it enables the 5600MHz RAM speed.

[@junkmonkey54]

Thanks for the review. Luckily you can now set ram to 5600 now.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, I also upgraded the RAM to 64GB Corsair running at 6000 Mhz on mine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk Thanks for watching : )

[@jp71889]

Any info around who manufactures the 4080 and 4090 in these PCs?

[@DemCrumblies]

Unfortunately not. Someone mentioned that they thought it was from MSI for the previous 3080 GPUs, but no clue honestly.

[@jp71889]

@@DemCrumblies no worries - thanks for the reply

[@cloudyjigen]

How long is the card?, I’m thinking of putting a 4090 inside and I can’t find the dimensions

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey I'm not sure of the exact dimensions, I forgot to measure it when I took it out, but basically you'd have to find a 4090 that is the exact same width or only 1 to 3 mm wider because the fitment is sooo tight. If you're not in a rush, I may be able to take it back out next week sometime when I change out an NVMe drive.

[@williamZhang390]

Wonderful video for benchmarking! But my Legion Tower from B&H (13900kf+4080) comes with a poor CPU. I have done everything I could to raise scores in Cinebench R23 (including bringing the desktop by the cold window and changing the resolution to 1080p). However, the best multithread score I can get is 36018. The best single-thread score I can get is 2201. That's about 3% degraded compared to the results in the video. I wonder whether I should worry about it and what else I could check. If it's serious, I would consider exchanging it for another one. Or do you think the specific machine you get in the video is an outstanding one Lenovo picked in purpose to send for review?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey William, when I bought mine, I bought it as a regular customer. Lenovo never sends me any of the PCs or laptops I review : | I have to pay full price each time so I probably won't review any more new PCs or laptops since I can't afford to keep buying them. Silicon lottery is definitely a factor you are experiencing with the benchmarks. Before I reviewed this PC, I bought the previous 7th generation with i912900K and 3080, which I benchmarked also and I noticed the side metal panel of the PC case was dented a bit. I contacted Lenovo to ship me a replacement side panel only, so I can keep the computer since I had installed everything already and set it up with all my software. They said they can only replace the entire computer and cannot ship just a replacement side panel. I didn't like the answer, but I agreed to format the PC and send it back to them after they sent me the replacement. I got the replacement and shipped back the first PC, but then I benchmarked it later and noticed it performed worse than the first PC, so yes, if you send your unit back, you may get lucky and get a better chip, a similar chip, or perhaps even worse. I think if the games and software you want to run are running smoothly and without crashes or issues, that I wouldn't worry about it much, since you will quickly forget about the 3% gap once you start to use and enjoy the PC. I hope that helps.

[@williamZhang390]

​@@DemCrumblies Thank you so much for your kind, quick, and thorough reply! I appreciate that you mentioned your personal experience with Lenovo. And it's interesting to know that the silicon lottery exists. I previously thought industrial products were going to be the same. It's surprising that you purchase these units out of pocket for unbiased reviews. I admire that. I'll take your advice and focus more on the overall performance and enjoyment of the PC rather than the minor percentage differences in benchmarks. Best wishes, and thanks again!

[@DemCrumblies]

@@williamZhang390 Hey William, I'm glad to help! When I bought the first 7th generation PC, I desperately needed it because my old laptop sounded like it would blow up at any minute once I started to try and edit 4K video on it. I bought this 8th Gen PC since I managed to get some commission sales of the previous 7th generation PC through my Lenovo affiliate link to help offset the cost a little, but I'll have to skip reviewing newer models since this 8th gen PC has been working wonderfully for my editing needs and I can't make back close to what I spent on them even with affiliate sales. You have a really great looking PC and mine has been super reliable with all the work I've put it through. Btw, I also did a couple of videos about adding storage and changing the RAM if you ever decide you want to update it later down the road. Enjoy and thanks for watching : )

[@dcjrsrt10]

Today is the 5th month with this thing its its been amazing what a great pc i love it, starfield was super fun playing on this thing compared to my asus g14 4060 laptop, i ended up finishing starfield and playing the campaign again after becoming starborn and putting in easy another 30hours. I had alread given up on starfield months before i got ths pc my laptop would get too hot.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, mine is going strong too since this review. Zero issues in every area of ownership.

[@xJay2002]

Hey do you know which power supply and and motherboard is inside here specifically, like which brand/model? Or is it Lenovos own power supply and motherboard?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey the motherboard is 100% Lenovo's own. I couldn't figure the brand of PSU, but it's likely rebranded for Lenovo.

[@xJay2002]

@@DemCrumblies thanks for the quick reply. How good do you think this pre built pc is compared to custom built pcs with the same specs but maybe better motherboard or cooling? If that makes sense?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@xJay2002 This is probably the best pre-built you can buy. Since I made this review, they released a couple of BIOS updates, so now I'm running Corsair Dominator Platinum ram at 6000 mhz (32GB x 2 Sticks) with XMP enabled. I do 4K editing on this and render out 10 to 20 minutes 4K videos, zero issues with heat, no strange shutdowns or crashes either. I think the cooling is great as is, lots of airflow and fans. I only swapped out the RAM to have more RGB. For sure the motherboard is not as fully featured if you built a custom PC and chose a board with higher-end features, but for most casual gamers and editors, this is perfectly fine. You can just buy it and be good to go. The only concern is the power supply could get outdated in a couple of years if you ever decided to put in a 50 or 60 series GPU later down the line. Also, the remaining space is alright so tight to fit any GPU that is a few centimeters wider than the current card it ships with. If you built custom, you could buy a larger case and put in a 1000W to 1600W PSU to be future proofed for power requirements and increasing GPU sizes. I'm still happy I went with this option though.

[@ca_lcium]

I'm thinking of getting this prebuilt. I don't like Win11, so is it worth downgrading to Win10 to make sure everything I have on my current machine runs? What about the BIOS updates?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hi Calcium, I 100% agree with you. I HATE Windows 11. I downloaded a program called Explorer patcher though, which allows me to set the taskbar and start menu how I like it, so it's back to a Windows 10 style look for me. You could take the same approach since Windows 10 will eventually stop receiving security updates and patches and you'll be forced to go to Windows 11 or the next iteration of Windows in 2025, when Windows 10 support ends. There have been two BIOS updates so far, and the BIOS update has fixed the RAM speed issue. After the updates, I was able to run the shipped RAM at 5600 Mhz. However, I have recently upgraded the RAM to Corsair's 6000 Mhz ram and it is running at 6000 Mhz too. You just have to have a 2 RAM stick setup. If you buy this PC with 4 ram sticks, you'll likely only get 4000 or 4400 Mhz with stock settings applied.

[@dcjrsrt10]

Will you be making a video of the newer version 4080 super with the 14th gen? In the future i will be upgrading the pc not anytime soon but it will be exciting adding a bigger power supply and upgrading to the 4090 or maybe the 50s cards that come in the future. I play AAA games and even for those games only playing at 1440p and 144hz its a little overkill.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @dcjrsrt10, I wish I could but since I have to buy these by myself and Lenovo doesn't send them out for review, I will probably stick with my current setup since it's working reliably for me. Maybe they will have some good July 4th sales if you're in the US and you're considering the 4080 Super config.

[@dcjrsrt10]

@DemCrumblies I understand, I will be sticking with this rig for a while it's just a great pc, over kill for the moment and hopefully for the years to come.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@dcjrsrt10 Yea I'm really happy with the performance. Wish they had a trade-in system though lol.

[@dcjrsrt10]

That would be great. This thing continues to surprise me

[@calebhoffmeister5525]

With the ram being limited to 4400 would you say the i9 13900kf is still worth getting? Or is its performance being limited greatly by that low ram speed?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey, since this review, they released a bios update to run the stock ram at 5600 mhz. I actually bought the Corsair Dominator Platinum at 6000 mhz and running it at 6000 mhz with XMP enabled.

[@calebhoffmeister5525]

@@DemCrumblies Thanks a lot for the reply! That's good news to hear.

[@roogle64]

I found this for 2050 refurbished on eBay and bought it, thanks for the review. Do you know if the motherboard has pcie gen 5 or 4?

[@DemCrumblies]

Good find! Here's what the motherboard has below. Full specs here: psref.lenovo.com/Product/Legion/Legion_T7_34IRZ8 One PCIe 5.0 x16 One PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 signal) One PCIe 3.0 x1 Four M.2 slots (one for WLAN, three for SSD)

[@roogle64]

@@DemCrumbliesI just saw you comment about how you can put the ram on 5600mhz now, I wondering where you find that in bios because I can’t find it?

[@DemCrumblies]

You may not have the newest BIOS version, try going to support.lenovo.com/us/en/ and downloading the recommended BIOS update. Then when you boot back into the BIOS, around the bottom right corner of the BIOS screen, you'll see RAM options, including the option to enable XMP. Let me know how it goes.@@roogle64

[@roogle64]

@@DemCrumbliesthank you, it worked!

[@DemCrumblies]

Glad to hear it. Enjoy your new computer 🙂

[@Random-yz8gb]

i found a 4070ti with i7 13700kf, is everything else the same to this PC? as in motherboard etc. the only thing bugging me is the kf variant and not k of the processor.

[@DemCrumblies]

I think it should be the same. You can actually find the pdf specs if you search the support part of lenovo's site to compare if you really want to be sure. I can also check later, but it may not be for a few days.

[@eddi3401]

Are all the 8 performance cores enabled or do I have to go into the bios to enabled them?

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, everything should be enabled by default, then Windows 11 will determine how to utilize the cores. I only set my working mode to Performance in the Vantage app, but it can be set on the first BIOS screen too. Otherwise, I pretty much left everything else alone.

[@eddi3401]

@@DemCrumblies I did the same, in the vantage app I put it on performance as well, thank you

[@eddi3401]

@@DemCrumblies Will you release a video on how to update bios for this intel cpu voltage problem they're having?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@eddi3401 Sure that's a potential if Lenovo releases a BIOS update to address the issue, however I don't always check regularly, so if you notice there's an update, just message me here or by email: [e-mail] and I can look into it : )

[@davidvictory9764]

would you get reburbished 13700kf 4080 for 1730 or, 13700k 4070ti for 1500. or 12700k 3080 for 1000. i cant decide but want best value (all are refurbished)

[@DemCrumblies]

I definitely would get the 13th gen. If you will do any type of video editing, then the 13700K will be helpful, but I'm still able to edit quite nicely with the 13900KF and 4080. The 4080 is generally around 20 to 23% better in performance than the 4070TI, so you'll have to decide if you need that extra performance for your use cases (gaming, editing, rendering, etc.)

[@davidvictory9764]

@@DemCrumblies do you think it's good to get the 13700k 4070ti right now for 1500. or wait a bit longer for new gpus to come out. and idk how much a pc with similar specs to these would cost right now to build yourself

[@DemCrumblies]

@@davidvictory9764 The new GPUs won't be out til 2025 I believe, so I don't think it's worth waiting that long. It will probably be more to build one for sure from what I remember when I tried to match the parts.

[@got2bmacisageek]

Great review, thanks for that! Just one question, do you know if the power supply is upgradeable? The RAM thing is a bit annoying, but maybe that can be addressed in a future bios update... oh, and what was the max ram capacity of this machine? Thanks again!

[@DemCrumblies]

It isn't offered as an upgradeable option from Lenovo, but some people have swapped it out by themselves, so you can do it if you don't mind possibly have to rerun wiring, or just removing it and plugging in the same wiring ends to the new PSU in theory. The RAM issue is fixed : ) I'm now running 64 GB of Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM at 6000 Mhz. Made a video about it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk I believe the max ram is 128 GB, but I've only used up to 64 GB.

[@mp1p]

Did they fix the xmp option in the bios?

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, it runs at 5600 mhz now after enabling XMP in the BIOS. The April BIOS update added XMP and custom ram settings.

[@mp1p]

@@DemCrumblies wicked thanks for the reply, I did end up buying a system a few days ago. Will call Monday to make sure I give them your affiliate link. Thanks for a well done review, you convinced me to buy !

[@DemCrumblies]

Awesome! You'll love it, it's a solid PC. Btw, I got bored of the green ram sticks and replaced them with Corsair's Dominator ram. So you have options later if you want it all matching RGB: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@mp1p]

@@DemCrumblies good to know, I did wonder that. It was my plan I just didn't know if you can put after market sticks in or is it OEM locked. Was going to build an Asus tuf themed system but once I saw this for nearly 1k (Canadian) cheaper for the same stuff essentially. It is great value for what you're getting. Thanks again

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea I checked pricing too to build with Amazon & Newegg Canada, and it still works out cheaper with Lenovo's prebuilt. You bought at a great time because they just dropped the price to 15% like 4 or 5 days ago.

[@shaboyg8293]

I plan on ordering this to play cod at 1440p, sounds like I’m going overkill but I want to make sure I have everything I need and more! This should be able to handle it all and keep the temps low I assume?

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep this will easily run COD at 1440P. I think there's a newer model now with 14th gen Intel and 4080 Super compared to my 4080 and 13th gen intel, but both will run it without issue. You won't hit problematic temps, but it can still get hot with hours of gaming and depending on if you're going to be running it at unlimited FPS or capped FPS, having stuff running in the background, and how far away your place your PC from a wall to ensure adequate airflow. Btw, what will the refresh rate be on your monitor? You can just try to cap your FPS to your monitor's refresh rate.

[@shaboyg8293]

On b&h they have the i9 13900kf with rtx 4080 for $2099. I only tend to go to 240fps at max. Just wanna make sure I don’t have to worry about over heating

[@DemCrumblies]

@@shaboyg8293 Oh yea you'll be fine with that spec, shouldn't overheat. Dunno if Rakuten supports B&H, but when I ordered mine from Lenovo, I used Rakuten to get some cashback. Good luck!

[@WarzoneII]

i have the last gen t7 with 3080 pc. Honest opinion, is there a point to upgrade to this new gen or will it just be better to wait and just upgrade gpu or ram etc on last gen? New gen are on sale from lenovo at the moment. I was gonna get the 4070ti pc new gen but 1) not liquid cooled 2) less ram 3) im not sure i can upgrade cpu cooler without damaging cpu. Thanks

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @Warzonell, the main difference between the new Gen 8 models and this Gen 7 model is the case design looks better. XMP/RAM overclocking profiles are also available on the new models, which was not available on your model. As well, we can now change the GPU light color or turn it off completely on the new model. But aside from those changes and having 13th gen Intel and a 40 series card, there's not any other significant changes, so I wouldn't rush to get it. Hopefully on the next generation, they will put a USB type C port on the front of the case too. You could replace the air cooler with liquid cooling, but you'd also void your warranty.

[@WarzoneII]

@@DemCrumbliesappreciate it.

[@DemCrumblies]

You're welcome. Good luck!@@WarzoneII

[@MrDavid7117]

Good to see you're doing another review of an Lenovo! really like your indept information of the devices. I got a question thought; what do you do with your old reviewed devices?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @MrDavid7117, thanks for watching my new review too! I still have the previous 7th generation tower in my basement. I sometimes use it for keyboard reviews, or was thinking I can use it as a backup if I ever need to warranty the new one, but basically it is collecting dust right now. I should probably look at selling it since Lenovo doesn't send me these PCs and it's getting expensive to keep buying them full retail.

[@jordan4270]

Hi. In Canada, I cannot find the liquid cooling configuration for the 4080 build. The 4080 build only has air cooling. The link you have there says "available soon"., which I'm assuming is just a placeholder and means they stopped making it. Why would they offer a model with an unclocked high end CPU (i13900fk) with air cooling in the first place? Do you know if the plan for Canada is to only offer liquid cooling for the 4090 builds?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Jaydean, yea shortly after I made this video the configuration I got went out of stock and they introduced the lower spec'd models and two higher spec'd 4090 models. I'm thinking they will replenish that configuration later, but I'd have to jump on their support chat to see if they even have a timeline. Sometimes they don't have that information. I see on the details for the 17-13700KF models that they do air cooling, but the 13900KF are liquid cooling if you scroll down to the bottom of the detail page or expand the details for it "See More".

[@jordan4270]

Wait, the one they have available is an i7 13th gen unclocked but with air cooling. Still stupid to pair such high end hardware without a liquid cooling option in Canada.

[@jordan4270]

@@DemCrumblies Ok, thank you for letting me know. Since I don't have an affiliation with them, could you let me know what customer support chat says about replenishing the stock when you get a chance? (Otherwise I would try to do it myself, but I think you'd get more answers from them since you're a content creator with an affiliate link).

[@jordan4270]

​@@DemCrumblies ​ Ok, I just chatted with customer support myself. Its not discontinued, they're putting me on a waitlist for an email alert when its available again. Do me a favor and try to hound them if you have a chance, tell them your loyal subscribers are waiting for stock replenishment lol.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@jordan4270 Yea I prefer liquid cooling every time. I know some tech reviewers have found that some higher-end air cooling solutions can be just as good, but I just feel better with liquid cooling personally.

[@jamespierce8372]

Hello again Dem Crumbles. Great video. Waiting on Gen 7 and 8 to arrive. Gen 7 going back unless Gen 8 is DOA. Watching your videos is bad for my wallet 😂. Found some great deals on both and excited. The 13900 has more cores so i was on the fence. I dont normally get TOTL but the deal was awesome. Going to use for virtualbox vms and for a treat gaming 😊. More cores are better for vm.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @jamespierce8372, if you can keep the Gen 8 for 4 or 5 years + then that's a solid buy once you average it out each year. Hopefully it comes with no issues. The RAM upgrade definitely wasn't necessary because I was able to hit 5600 Mhz with the stock Lenovo RAM after the BIOS update, but I also wanted matching RGB ram and 64 GB for video editing and I didn't want to buy more boring green ram sticks from Lenovo, so I'm bad for my wallet too 😉

[@yotamar8672]

I decided to get this gen of legion tower rather than the one with the 14th gen cpus because I saw the new ones use air cooling which just seems insane

[@DemCrumblies]

I noticed sometimes the liquid cooled version is out of stock and only the air cooled versions are advertised. If they don't make a liquid cooled version for 14th gen, that would be insane indeed. Congrats on your new PC though! I also made a vid on how to upgrade the ram and SSD on it btw.

[@shawnpepin7890]

A good high end air cooler would be better for a cpu like this... given how quickly this thing can throttle itself, having more metal closer to the cpu would give more consistent numbers

[@DemCrumblies]

@@shawnpepin7890 I've seen some tests where larger air coolers performed just as great as liquid coolers, but I haven't tested it myself. It'll just be annoying to deal with Lenovo if you run into issues with any other area on the PC later since they'll likely want to skirt honoring the warranty.

[@DanielO-j2m]

is $2399 from b&h a good price for this model?

[@DemCrumblies]

So the Lenovo USA site has this spec for $3400 USD: lenovo.vzew.net/vnoeP3 (Affiliate Link) If B&H has it for $2400 USD that is an awesome price, but I'm thinking that maybe one of the specs is off? Just double check the B&H version to make sure it's the i9-13900KF and not an i7. Also make sure the B&H version says 32GB and not 16GB.

[@rg-zb6hs]

i ordered the i7 model with a 4080 and it has air cooling instead of liquid.. is that bad? i can't find any reviews on it

[@DemCrumblies]

hey rg11, it's hard to say because I haven't experienced the air-cooling version to compare. I do think Lenovo wouldn't put an air cooler that was inadequate, though, so it should still be fine. Best thing to do once you get it is to check the temperatures using something like Hardware Monitor when the computer is idle and you're not gaming or watching video or anything like that. Then see what other people say their i7's idle temperatures are. If you notice that your temperatures are more than a few degrees higher at idle, you will already know that when gaming or doing other CPU intensive tasks, that it will run hot. For example, here's a reddit thread where people are sharing their idle temps for it: www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/yaq56t/whats_your_idle_temp_with_the_13700k/

[@wallacegrommet3479]

Hot Key for the LED's off and on?

[@DemCrumblies]

Sorry, I couldn't find any hot keys in the Vantage software for LEDs. Btw, you can kill all the lights now in the Vantage software, including for the GPU after a recent update.

[@Lukas50C]

Hi. How does the air cooled version look / compare?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @Lukas_5542, I haven't used any of their air cooled versions to say, but I remember see on the Lenovo forums, some complaints about temperatures.

[@Lukas50C]

@@DemCrumblies can you find any images of it? On the Lenovo website it only shows the liquid cooled version which is annoying / false advertising

[@DemCrumblies]

@@Lukas50CHmm, which country are you in? When I visit the Canada Lenovo site, it only has 4 models and they are only Air Cooled because the sold out the Liquid Cooled models and haven't restocked them yet.

[@Lukas50C]

@@DemCrumblies I’m in the US. I see all air cooled models except for the one you have I believe. What I don’t understand is what the air cooled models actually look like, because they are using the liquid cooled model as the image

[@DemCrumblies]

@@Lukas50CGot it. Here's a link showing what the air cooling looks like: www.lenovo.com/ca/en/p/desktops/legion-desktops/legion-t-series-towers/legion-tower-5-gen-8-(26l,-amd)/90ux0003us (Btw it's the Tower 5i, so the smaller version of the case vs. the Tower 7i)

[@moustafaabuelnass6065]

enable XMP in the BIOS and it will read your RAM speed

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, in April they released a BIOS update to enable XMP. At the time of this review, that option wasn't available in the BIOS, so now I'm getting 5600 Mhz thankfully.

[@MotoVirtuo]

Any idea how you turn off the lights on the graphics card? I just got this computer and I’ve spent way too much time trying to do this lol. If you told me I would be so happy!

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey MotoVirtuo, unfortunately, I didn't see any option in BIOS or software to do this. The previous generation of this PC also didn't allow you to turn it off, so unless they release an update later, we're stuck with it always on :|

[@MotoVirtuo]

@@DemCrumblies damn, that kinda sucks! Theres two little connectors about 2 inches to the left of the main power to the card, I wonder if those could be unplugged? Assuming they’re for the RGB, I’m a little scared to do it though

[@DemCrumblies]

@@MotoVirtuo Yea, I had read that a future update of the Vantage software would enable functionality to turn it off, but not sure if that information is accurate though. Yea I'm trying not to do too much until it's outta warranty. I see the two cables you're referring to though. Maybe you can jump on chat with Lenovo support and ask them if they have a work-around to turn off the light to see what they say. I believe it's an MSI GPU, not 100% sure and some people said MSI's dragon software can maybe turn off the LEDs, but the software asks for a serial number which I can't see without taking off the GPU. Might try it some time to see if a serial is somewhere on there.

[@MotoVirtuo]

@@DemCrumblies I really quite frustrating isn’t it? I paid 3200 dollars for this thing and it doesn’t have an off switch for a dang light. Haha everything has that! I forgot about the warranty too, now I’m nervous to unplug anything. I also thought is was MSI but didn’t know for sure so I downloaded GPU-Z and guess what the sub vendor is Lenovo itself.. they built the card.. and couldn’t put a light switch in the Vantage software?? Lol I might get ahold of support. For now I put it up against a wall lol

[@DemCrumblies]

@@MotoVirtuo Yea it is because it's an issue that was brought up with the previous generation and they didn't address it again. Yea, I can't confirm that it's MSI, but most of my searches online say it's likely MSI. I think maybe MSI still built it and changed the data that you'd see in GPU-Z to Lenovo, but can't say for sure. If I end up adding a new NVMe drive and I remove the GPU, I'll take a closer look at it to check the serial number to see if any of MSI's software accepts it as valid. Can't beat putting it up against a wall lol. That's a better solution than applying black electrical tape, which I've seen others mention.

[@Ilovecrumble]

Hey I know it's been awhile since you posted this, but I have a question. Was the CPU boost on by default in the bios? Because when I set it to default my cpu Benchmarks in cinebench drastically decrease almost by half

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey I really can't remember now, but I do remember changing all the settings to get max performance pretty much as soon as I had the laptop to run benchmarks.

[@kenmasters007]

Can you take the parts out like the gpu, memory into a different build?

[@DemCrumblies]

So you can definitely remove the parts. If you have a decent motherboard in another build, the RAM should be compatible without issue. However, the GPU is branded for Lenovo systems, so driver support may be questionable on another system.

[@kenmasters007]

​@DemCrumblies thanks I assume the lenovo motherboard is also a standard ATX size? Does it support PCIE 5? I heard the lenovo had a lot of proprietary and cheaper PCB components. Thanks.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep standard ATX size. It also has PCIe 5. This desktop is my 2nd PC from them and I haven't had any issues so far with gaming or 4K editing and rendering. It's been the most reliable desktop I've used so far. Btw, here's the full specs from Lenovo directly if you're interested: psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/Legion/Legion_T7_34IRZ8/Legion_T7_34IRZ8_Spec.pdf @@kenmasters007

[@kenmasters007]

@@DemCrumblies wow thank you.. they are going on sale now.. assuming the 9th gen is on its way

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea great sales on now. I'm actually not sure what they will do for the 9th gen line. The 14th gen Intel CPUs have pretty disappointing reviews when compared against 13th gen, so most tech reviewers and sites have said the upgrade is not warranted if you have 13th gen. Rumors mention that Nvidia's new 50 series GPUs will launch late 2024/early 2025, so if Lenovo releases a 9th gen, I think it'll be pretty lackluster if they just feature 14th gen Intel and the current 40 series cards. @@kenmasters007

[@VMXGroove]

Seems like this PC is pretty darn good as a 4K video editing workstation. I know that it is technically a gaming box, but its a great price for those specs.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep I've been doing all my 4K editing on it and it's works so fluid for that. All I did was upgrade to 64GB ram and added in additional storage.

[@alanbenyamin487]

Maybe an update with the 7i 4090? Thanks. Great vid

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Alan, I wish! But, unfortunately, Lenovo doesn't send these out to me to review, so I only review what I buy. Btw, the PCs are now 15% off all models, even the model with the i9 and 4090.

[@gmofgeometry]

Here, it's a year later and now it's discounted to $1999 at B&H, seems like a great upgrade for me so I ordered.

[@DemCrumblies]

That is a fantastic price if it's the same configuration, enjoy! Btw, I made some follow-up video showing how to upgrade the RAM and add additional storage if you're ever interested.

[@gmofgeometry]

@@DemCrumblies I just ordered the Kingston KC3000 SSD, Thanks!

[@DemCrumblies]

@@gmofgeometry Nice! Mine has been going great so far.

[@tonydarby93]

Hi. I was looking to buy one of these right now in Canada as it is listed at a good price. But, it doesn't come with an AIO. The CPU is air cooled. The CPU is an i7-13700KF and the air cooler Lenovo supplies isn't sufficient to cool this CPU. Would you have any idea how easy it would be to replace the included air cooler? From the images in your video it doesn't appear there is easy access to the back of the MOBO where the CPU is located. I assume I would need access to this in order to install the proper backplate for whatever cooling solution I decide to go with. I do see some holes which look like they may be for screwing into the back of the MOBO through the case but this seems odd to me. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Tony, I'm not too sure but yea you would have to remove many components to get access and that point, Lenovo would invalidate the warranty: www.reddit.com/r/LenovoLegion/comments/16jzrij/upgrading_cpu_fan_on_tower_7i_gen_8/ and www.reddit.com/r/LenovoLegion/comments/17dy6pv/legion_7i_desktop_cpu_cooler/ May not be worth the headache, especially if other issues arise later. Btw, if you ever see a liquid cooled version come back into stock, you can try to negotiate a small discount with them, that is what I did both times I bought my PC. Btw, where in Canada are you? I'm in Ontario.

[@tonydarby93]

@@DemCrumblies Thanks for the links. I will hold off purchasing for now. I am also in Ontario.

[@DemCrumblies]

Awesome. I'm in the GTA. If you're interested in buying the previous gen of this computer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoWWhHqDebClp9k I'm looking to sell mine, but I understand if you wanna get the 8th Gen model only, it looks much better for sure.@@tonydarby93

[@jmmj4878]

Just picked up this PC! Are there any updates on this PC after a year? Can you update to 5600 now?

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep you can! After you do all the updates from support.lenovo.com you will get access to change it to 5600 mhz. I actually upgraded the RAM to 6000 mhz and 64 GB here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@jmmj4878]

@@DemCrumblies awesome! thanks for the update 👍🏽

[@DemCrumblies]

@@jmmj4878 Sure, and congrats on your new PC!

[@jmmj4878]

@@DemCrumblies 😎

[@jmmj4878]

@@DemCrumbliesQuick question! Currently have the 4080 Super model. Is this pc compatible to be upgraded to a 5080? And would anything else need to be upgraded as well? Thanks.

[@zx6r1320]

do they use cheap parts like most prebuilds like use pny gpu cards and cheap motherboards or is it all quality parts

[@DemCrumblies]

So far it's all been smooth sailing for me. It does have a proprietary motherboard like Alienware pcs. They don't tell you the brand of the GPU. Some people speculate that it's an MSI model, but I can't confirm that. Been working great for 4K editing and rendering for me though.

[@zx6r1320]

I just bought a PC from ABS(NewEgg) Operating System: Windows 11 Home CPU: Intel Core i7 13700KF 3.4GHz (5.4GHz Turbo Boost Max) 8 P-Core, 8 E-Core, 24-Thread GPU: MSI RTX 4070TI Ventus Motherboard: MSI PRO B760-P DDR5 Wifi RAM: Kingston Fury RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz (2x16GB) SSD: 1TB NVMe SSD CPU Cooler: Thermaltake RGB AIO 240MM PSU: Thermaltake 750W Gold Case: ABS Stratos S200 Obsidian Black for a hair over 2k after taxes I like that New Egg puts the brands of the parts they are using in their PC builds because alot of these company's are cheap and or deceiving and put shitty parts in it idk I thought it wasn't a bad deal @@DemCrumblies​

[@Diwan4gaming]

What is lighting software for the rtx 4080 card? I mean how can I customize it

[@DemCrumblies]

That is the million dollar question. No one has been able to figure out customizing the GPU light. Some people say it's an msi gpu like, but I haven't been able to use their software to manage the rgb 😑

[@dlflyboy]

They finally have the lighting software to allow you to customize the video card too.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep. The problem is though that after you change the lighting options, when you put it back to the default rainbow cascading color, it stutters.

[@RichyWan2021]

Sorry a bit late, 5600 mhz ram always runs at 4400mhz before enabling xmp in bios. Try that and lmk how it works

[@dcjrsrt10]

Received it yesterday! It's amazing at 1440p, I tried some games and on highest setting in ultra it runs them like butter at such a cool temperature. Cyberpunk at 1440p max settling is the only game that will occasionally drop below 100fps, cod at 1440p at max setting/extreme ,well above 230fps. I noticed that my model number from b and h and yours from lenovo have different manufacturer number but its the exact specs what do you think is the differenc.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey glad to hear everything is working smoothly! Hmm really not sure about the difference between b and h, could be anything really like related to month it was manufactured, where it was assembled, the batch designation, etc.

[@shaboyg8293]

How were the temps while playing cod at 1440p? Looking to buy this for cod lol

[@dcjrsrt10]

No joke 65c super cool

[@dcjrsrt10]

Compared to my asus g14 laptop 2023 4060 runs cod at 110fps maxed out at 85c-92c

[@shaboyg8293]

@@dcjrsrt10 oh man I’m excited

[@apotato5563]

Thanks for showing the vrm temp's! they were pretty good, althoug vrm's with heatsinks take a long time to heat up. Looking at the choke's (ik bad technique) it appeas to be about a 10 phase motherboard. The psu is from fsp. And i could also find that there are version with a 1200w psu.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey A Potato, thanks for sharing your info about the PSU. So far the computer is still performing great, but the lower spec ram speed is kinda eating at me. Still debating if I will keep it or go with another brand where I'll get the rated speed. It's definitely a looker though with the upgraded case.

[@apotato5563]

@@DemCrumblies i don't think there are a lot of oem's that build pc's with proper functioning parts. HP has bad vrm's, acer has bad cooling and makes a lot of noise. And dell.... Maybe a si could do it which also gives you non propritary parts like the case with lenovo (some headers are different to industry standard on the t5 at least, and i think the same goes for the t7)

[@DemCrumblies]

@@apotato5563 Yea, it's really looking like it. Dell is using a 240 mm AIO and has poor thermals and airflow. The Corsair Vengeance i7400 looks really promising, but since I'm in Canada, after ordering and paying shipping and import and duty fees, it'll be quite a bit of change.

[@ruiyangao9255]

Hey Dem, just got this pc because it’s on sale and I’m wondering how your unit is holding up. Is there a lot of dust due to the lack of dust filters? Are you able to clock 2x32gb ddr5 at 5600 while keeping the warranty? Has there been any issues with the system crashing? Thanks!

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey, I haven't had any issues since increasing the speed to 5600 Mhz. I actually made a follow-up video here where I swapped the stock Lenovo RAM for Corsair Dominator Platinum 6000 Mhz RAM, so I've been running at 6000 Mhz stable without any crashes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk I don't find it to be overly dusty either, but I also don't have any pets or smoke, so that probably helps too. Not sure if Lenovo would complain about the warranty now that I've swapped the ram, but I've also kept the stock RAM to put it back in if I ever have to ship it back out for warranty.

[@ruiyangao9255]

@@DemCrumblies Hey thank you for the reply! I do appreciate your response and your reviews are honestly the most comprehensive for this particular PC! Now I can’t wait to get mine 😍

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea, it's a solid and reliable PC. Great balance of everything really, unlike another extraterrestrial brand. Thanks for the kind words 🙂@@ruiyangao9255

[@HondaCivicat3AM]

I bought the same exact spec computer and brand you’d have and I installed Forza horizon five on it and I wanted to see how much FPS I can get out of the computer with overclocking and uncapped with max settings, and I was running at round 450-512 FPS.

[@DemCrumblies]

Wow that's pretty insane!

[@kickboxeruk2008]

Hi Adrian, thanks for all your videos relating to this PC. I bought my over a year ago after watching this review. I just wanted to ask you a question regarding the latest Bios update which claims to fix the 13/14th Gen cpu issues. Can I ask what Core Vid voltage you are recording since that update as I was looking to Undevolt mine throu the XTU tool but it wont allow me to as theres an Undervolt protection preventing me to do so. Just interested to see what yours is running at as on Hwinfo mine is idling around 1.3-4 volts and during gaming upto 1.53 volts. Seems high to me?

[@DemCrumblies]

My CPU core data shows 1.3 to 1.4 average with higher peaks. Btw here is what an Intel support rep said "Please be informed that the maximum Voltage Range for Processor Operating Mode is 1.72V. Your i9-13900k running at 1.412V with 35 up to 38 ℃ on idle is still normal as its within its operating specifications." Source: community.intel.com/t5/Processors/Voltage-of-I9-13900k/m-p/1560485

[@kickboxeruk2008]

@DemCrumblies Thanks a lot. Seems to be in line with my system which is the exact same model as yours so that's good to know. Based on that do you think there's a need to undervolt given the max threshold is 1.72 volts and with the new microcode limiting the volts to1.55?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@kickboxeruk2008 Since Lenovo released BIOS updates with the microcode fix, I don't think you need to undervolt: support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht516718 Also, I'm of the mindset that if I paid for a higher end CPU, I want all the performance I can get. Plus, I got the extended warranty on mine, so I intend to use my PC to its full extent and just deal with going through the warranty process if it comes to that later.

[@kickboxeruk2008]

@@DemCrumblies Thanks again for your reply. I would tend to agree and like you I've extended my warranty for another 2 years because of the known issues with the CPUs. Fingers crossed I've not experienced anything like crashes or BSOD and my temps all stay within range so will continue as I am. Thanks again and Happy new year 👍

[@DemCrumblies]

@@kickboxeruk2008 Yep, I haven't had any crashes yet either thankfully. I'd say just enjoy it all out since you have the warranty. Have a Happy New Year too!

[@spede1]

Is there a way to tell the brand of the RTX 4080?

[@DemCrumblies]

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to figure this out. Some viewers have mentioned that Lenovo uses MSI GPUs, but I can't confirm it. I haven't been able to tell visually or by using software.

[@roel2377]

My display port wont show any signal on display port but it does work with hdmi?

[@DemCrumblies]

Hmm that's strange. Hard to say if the issue is with the display port cable, the display port port on the GPU or the display port on the monitor. You could start with trying a different DP port cable and if that doesn't work, you'd have to connect your monitor to another PC with display port to ensure the monitor if fine, and it that works, then you know the GPU is at fault. I'm assuming you have all updated drivers for your GPU and monitor already. Also, with your monitor, did you change the input source manually to display port from HDMI?

[@roel2377]

@DemCrumblies hmm yeah let me update the drivers that could be the issue

[@DemCrumblies]

@@roel2377 Let me know how it goes. If that doesn't help, the next thing I'd try is to use a different DP cable to rule that out.

[@lavatr8322]

My goodness this is what i need for my 3D stuff. But the prices are insane, Does lenovo have a machine with these specs but a bit lower tier so it fits my budget?

[@DemCrumblies]

They do have a model 5 tower with a bit lower end specs, but if you need high end specs then it's best to wait for a sale, or buy used, or build a PC.

[@OutcastSoldier]

the cpu coolling is in the front panel???

[@DemCrumblies]

The radiator is on the front yes.

[@OutcastSoldier]

@@DemCrumblies and it should have been on the top, right? it makes no sense, why would they put in on front?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@OutcastSoldier Yea, it's usually ideal to have it top mounted. Not sure why they didn't put it up top, maybe they think it would be too tight a fit? Not sure.

[@CosmoMarkus]

Thank you for the really helpful video. This might be a silly question but does the PC have room for a second SSD? I was thinking of upgrading to this, but using the SSD in my current PC as its second drive. Thanks!

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Mark! Yep, you can add either 2X 2.5" SSDs or 2 of the small 2280 form factor NVMe SSD drives. It also has wires pre-ran for a 2.5" SSD or 3.5" HDD. Thanks for watching and let me know if you have any other questions 🙂

[@CosmoMarkus]

@@DemCrumblies Thank you so much! Another question is about USB-C, you mentioned there aren't any at the front but it looks like there is one at the back? thanks!

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, there's a USB C port at the back with the highest transfer rate on the PC. That's the one I use for my T7 external SSD drive.

[@ruiyangao9255]

Hello great video! On lenovo's website they mentioned that this machine can support up to 128gb ram. Have you tried that by any chance and if so what are the speeds that you get from 128gb ddr5? Thanks!

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Ruiyan, I haven't tried to expand the RAM yet, but I know you can buy more matching RAM from Lenovo directly. Right now the RAM runs at 4400mhz, so I think if you had all 4 slots filled, it would likely run a little lower than 4400, but I can't confirm. Lenovo's support team may know though, but it can be hit or miss with them sometimes.

[@BNGNSTY]

I can get this through my work account right now for like 2300.. should I do it?

[@DemCrumblies]

That's an amazing price compared to what I paid when it was released. Mine's still going strong so far. I just swapped out the RAM for RGB Corsair 6000 Mhz RAM and it's been sweet so far! If you're in need, I'd definitely get it!

[@BNGNSTY]

@@DemCrumblies wow dude thanks for the amazingly quick response. I’ve never owned a PC but my MacBook is due for an upgrade and I don’t need portability. I’m going to be using it at home for half work and half play, mostly COD and games like Diablo IV. I’m in between this, the smaller amd legion 5 with 4070ti for 1800 or legion 7 4070ti for same price . I think the better gfx, liquid cooling and more ram is probably worth it for the price difference? I use a 4k 144 monitor at home with a ps5 but I’m not opposed to investing in a nice 1440p ultra wide.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@BNGNSTY Hey Tim, if you can swing it, I'd definitely go for the 4080 with Liquid Cooling, so you don't wonder what if when you set your game settings to Max or Ultra. Mine is pretty quiet all day with the liquid cooling. I don't game a lot, but I use it for 4K rendering and that's about the only time it ramps up, but it's nothing crazy at all where I need to put on headphones or earbuds to drown out the noise. If you're gonna run a high-res monitor, I'd want to have as much GPU power as possible to out max settings when possible, especially if you want some room to do any game recording too. Going to this from a Macbook is gonna be a pretty big change for sure. I came from a 5-year-old Alienware laptop that sounded like a jet engine that was ready to explode when I tried to render anything on it.

[@BNGNSTY]

@@DemCrumblies I don’t mind noise I mostly use a headset lol. But I just opened a can of worms though, 4090 version is only 300 more lol. I’m gonna try to keep that out of my mind because I know I don’t NEED it 😂 I would definitely swap the ram to rgb too, that bareness just looks.. off haha

[@DemCrumblies]

Oh yea I know what you mean. Now the 4090 version is cheaper than when I bought the 4080 version, I'm a bit peeved lol. But yea, the RGB looks way better: kzbin.infoCTDofnfo4OE @@BNGNSTY

[@MikeInKing]

Great review! Hopefully Lenovo fixes the RGB control on the 4080 as well as the Ram issue with a firmware/bios update. Aside from that it appears to be a pretty compelling prebuilt!

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea it's been great so far. It's just baffling about the ram speed considering they bothered to put ram sticks with 5600 mhz, just to run it lower. You'd think they'd just put 4800 mhz in that case. Agreed, they really need to let us adjust the GPU RGB or at least let us turn it off. Thanks for watching Mike 🙂

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey MikeInKing, the ram speed issue is fixed now with a recent BIOS update. I just upgraded the RAM on mine for RGB and better latency: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey @MikeInKing, we can now turn off the GPU light in the vantage software! Made a quick video to show it here: kzbin.info5gLnZq1h75I

[@mikelafontaine8464]

@@DemCrumblies Any clue how you got this feature? New system and I still don't see this option.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@mikelafontaine8464 Hey Mike, I didn't update the Vantage software on my end, so I believe it was a silent update, which enabled this functionality. You can go to support.lenovo.com/ca/en/ and try to install the newest BIOS updates and maybe trying to reinstall the Vantage software to see if that helps. Let me know how it goes.

[@ydvoiris]

check the lastest bios update from lenovo XMP working, I run a corsair ram at 7000MHZ

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, they released an April BIOS update that enabled XMP thankfully. I'm running Corsair at 6000 Mhz now. Which ram kit did you get?

[@ydvoiris]

@@DemCrumblies there another bios update with better support for XMP, I got CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 7000MHz CL34 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory it didn't want to work at 7000 with april update (worked only at 6400) but it works now after jun bios update

[@DemCrumblies]

@@ydvoiris Awesome. Yea I installed the recent update 2 days ago, but my RAM was running at 6000 Mhz before it, so I wasn't sure what the changelog was. Glad to hear yours is now running at 7000 Mhz though after the update! I initially bought 4 sticks of Corsair Dominator Ram, but couldn't get it past 4400 mhz. Lots of people who bought the 64 GB version can't get it past 4400 mhz. So it seems 2 sticks is best for high ram speed.

[@ydvoiris]

@@DemCrumblies its a known issue with ddr5 platforms, 4 stick is considered like an OC for the memory controller (not enough PCI-E lanes to hold 4 sticks with high speed). only the high end boards can handle 4 sticks up to 6000MHZ and even then expect problems.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@ydvoiris Yep. I've seen some people say they've overcome the issue with manually tweaking timings, voltages, etc. The highest one of my viewers got was 5000 Mhz with 4 sticks, but yea, stability will have to be monitored long term. I'm glad they're actively issuing BIOS updates to help though, unlike with the previous generation of this desktop.

[@skylerdylan1005]

I just ordered this in a 4080 super. I’ve had great customer service with Lenovo and they actually fully replaced my laptop outside of warranty with a much better one for free.

[@DemCrumblies]

That's great to hear that support was that nice and congrats on the new PC! Btw, I made follow-up videos to this one showing up I upgraded the RAM to Corsair Dominator at 6000 mhz here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk and I made a video here about adding in more storage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZrbkHavaslgaq8

[@skylerdylan1005]

@@DemCrumblies Thank you! Thats really useful. I will definitely be upgrading the ram when the computer arrives.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@skylerdylan1005 Awesome! Right now Amazon has their prime day sales on, I didn't check RAM prices there, but might be worth a look since you have 30 days to return it usually.

[@skylerdylan1005]

@@DemCrumblies I will order it. Did you notice performance improvements with RAM upgrades?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@skylerdylan1005 I actually never benchmarked it afterwards. I mostly upgraded so I could have 64 GB ram for 4K editing and photoshop and to have flashy RGB lol. When I did the review, it was with the original RAM and games played wonderfully, so I don't think it's make or break to have it honestly.

[@bambangkhuznanto065]

How many capacity harddrive 3.5 inchi support ? Is it posible when i put 14TB inside by sata connection ? Because i saw in official lenovo website the maximum capacity only up to 2Tb, its so poor

[@DemCrumblies]

I have 2X 3.5" HDDs at 12 TB each so the 2 TB spec is not accurate. The case holds only 2, 3.5" HDDs, and yea it's connected by SATA.

[@SharifAlkatib]

RAM does not run at the rated 5600 Mhz on the 64GB model. This is still not fixed and is a poor showing on Lenovo's part.

[@DemCrumblies]

If you bought the model with 4 sticks of RAM (4 X 16), it won't run at high speeds, but this seems to be the case across various computer brands, not just Lenovo. I'm running 64 GB right now with 2 sticks (2 X 32 GB) running at 6000 Mhz. The key is to only have two ram sticks in slots 2 and 4 for max speeds.

[@SharifAlkatib]

Thanks for the quick reply. That was my sneaking suspicion also and based on reading the forums and what you said about having 2x32GB sticks is the way to hit max speeds. Also like you said alternating the slots for it to hit that speed also 2 and 4. That’s really a bummer and Lenovo should’ve given us 2x32 instead of 4x16 GB if they knew there was a big performance hit like that. What ram kit do you recommend to go to?

[@DemCrumblies]

@@SharifAlkatibHey Sharif, yes, they should have put 2 X 32 GB sticks for a company that sells performance gaming desktops. I installed the Corsair Dominator Platinum 5600 Mhz, then I returned them and got the 6000 Mhz kit instead. You can check out my video here, which has links to kit I bought: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk I believe another viewer is running 6400 Mhz of the same Dominator series even.

[@SharifAlkatib]

​@@DemCrumblies Update! I was able to apply the custom XMP profile to 4x16 GB = 64GB config with the included OEM RAM and clocked it at 5400 MHz. It won't boot if you try 5600 Mhz with the stock RAM. I could buy the Dominator RAM to squeeze out another 200 MHz or spring for the 6000 like you did but I think using the stock RAM at 5400 MHz without spending more money is a good medium place. If anyone is interested in how I did it - I'd be happy to record a video of the steps.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@SharifAlkatib Hey Sharif, that's great to hear! I had another viewer who managed to get it to 5000 Mhz stable, but if you're getting 5400 Mhz, that's great. If you can play your games and use your apps without any noticeable performance issues, you're perfectly fine at 5400 Mhz.

[@dcjrsrt10]

Hey friend i have a question, i want to upgrade the ram to ddr5 32gb 6400mhz or 6000mhz from corsair and its rgb is that possible since the pc runs at 5600mhz?

[@DemCrumblies]

Yep, after the BIOS updates, it allows you to do that. I made a video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk Right now, I'm running 64GB with 2 sticks at 6000 mhz using Corsair Dominator RAM.

[@dcjrsrt10]

@DemCrumblies thanks man I can get the 32 gb 6400 mhz for $70 with my discount cant let it pass

[@DemCrumblies]

@@dcjrsrt10 Yea that'll be great. Amazon Prime day starts tomorrow, so maybe you can see if it drops even lower. Good luck!

[@dcjrsrt10]

@DemCrumblies right I will, I have a credit that will drop it by $32, its $104 right now all ready on sale from $130.

[@DemCrumblies]

@@dcjrsrt10 Nice, hope it drops more, but if not, that's still a great price to grab it for. I think I had linked to the 32 GB variant too in that other video.

[@Jrayvision]

Hello. Just picked up this PC last month. It’s been awesome but there is news swirling about Intel oxidation issues. This is my first PC ever and I’ve been a console gamer for years so all of this is new to me lol. Did you update your BIOS and do you know the current version? I have the i9 14900KF. No issues (that I know of so far) but want to be prepared. Thanks!

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey congrats! But yea, all the recent news is worrying to hear. You can go to support.lenovo.com/ and scan your PC to check for eligible updates. I can't remember which BIOS version I'm on, but I know I'm on the latest according to the last time I checked for updates. I also noticed that in Vantage, my Thermal mode was automatically changed from "Performance Mode" to "Balanced Mode" likely as a preemptive measure.

[@Jrayvision]

@@DemCrumblies Ok, thanks for the info!

[@DemCrumblies]

@@Jrayvision Sure, good luck and enjoy!

[@MraznGuy209]

I have the same one as you and it has been thermal throttling when I benchmark it. Does yours?

[@Jrayvision]

@@MraznGuy209 Yeah actually it has. I actually ended up contacting Lenovo support and they fixed it for me. Sorry not sure what the resolution was. Been great ever since.

[@andymcguigan7238]

Is it worth £3000 ? That's the price in the UK

[@DemCrumblies]

What are the exact specs on the desktop you saw for that price because they have different configurations. If it's the same exact specs as mine, it isn't worth that much about a year later.

[@dcjrsrt10]

I think I commented before but lenovo has the i7 4080 water cooled and after the sale and coupons I can get it for $2,320 out the door taxes included good price?

[@DemCrumblies]

I remember trying to match the components as much as I could on pcpartpicker and it came up to around $2800 (for an i9 cpu) even when selecting low or middle of the road components, so $2320 sounds like a great deal to me. Sometimes you can also negotiate with the sales agents, but if it's already on sale and has discounts, it may be harder.

[@dcjrsrt10]

I bought it! It took me a while to decide it was hard, I come from console with some laptop gaming 4060 ryzen 9 7940hs, but I have been wanting this desktop since the 3080 revision came out but the price held me back, I was able to snag this for $2,400 with discounts coupons. I ordered the Corsair vengeance rgb ddr5 ram 64gb memory. Do you think you can do an update video on this that would be a great video.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey that's awesome! Do you mean a video on how to upgrade the RAM? I have that video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO5pGV3nb-BjMk @@dcjrsrt10

[@dcjrsrt10]

It was on sale $780 off plus an other $80 off with coupons and discounts.. after taxes it was exactly $2,469.57 if I applied for the payboo card it would have been $2,269.57 because appling for the payboo card knocks off the taxes. I didnt want to apply I have plenty of credit cards with low to 0% apr which is what I used, yeah its cool they pay the taxes but the apr to carry the balance was insane 24.99-29.99% hell no!!I have a credit card that i activated 0% apr until Feb of 2025!! I will carry a balance on this credit card under $700 or so since I have $1,800 saved that will go straight to drop the balance i owe.

[@dcjrsrt10]

​@DemCrumblies I've seen that video as well great videos man, no I meant a update on the whole desktop but honestly it's unnecessary since you have covered this desktop in I believe 3 videos already.

[@petersonfamily6223]

FYI new Lenovo Legion i7 Gen 8 system with 64 GM RAM, 4090, and i9 came in. The RAM was running at 4000MHz! I updated the BIOS and the XMP option is not there as shown by reviewers who were able to update their systems to get the correct RAM speed.? There are memory options available after the BIOS update but any changes and the system will not start! Great I upgrade to 64 GB RAM and a larger NvME drive and have worse performance than others. The Lenovo forum has a few like me who just received the same system with the same results. For now, I would not guarantee any RAM for this system because it looks like there are different BIOS out there maybe because there are different motherboards? I am not sure but I am using the O5UKT1DA BIOS from April 20, 2023, for the Legion T7 34IRZ8 system. My options are to keep this, build my own and get the Corsair Vengence 8100. I only purchased the Lenovo because the BIOS reportedly corrected the RAM issue. Others are also reporting the NvME speeds are slow as well.

[@DemCrumblies]

Hey Peterson Family, that is so strange. I have another viewer Cody, who was only getting 4000 mhz with 4 sticks of 64 GB and didn't see any XMP options either after the exact same BIOS update version as I updated to (O5UKT1DA). He created a custom profile in the memory settings and was able to boot stably running at 4400 mhz. I also tried with 4 sticks of corsair dominator ram, but could only get 4400 mhz with a custom profile. I didn't want to mess around with voltages, so I just ended up returning the 4 sticks of 64 and buying 2 sticks of 32GB each to get 64GB, and they are running at 6000 mhz. He said when he contacted Lenovo support, they told him it may be due to a different motherboard, but if that's the case, why would the BIOS revision be exactly the same name. Lenovo was so lazy, they couldn't even add a Type C port to the refreshed case, so I highly doubt they are running two different mobos for 4090 anx 64 GB systems since I can run 64 GB at 6000 mhz on my i9 and 4080 variant. My NVMe speeds seem fine though. I added a Kingston KC3000 and got pretty close to the rated speeds: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZrbkHavaslgaq8

[@petersonfamily6223]

@@DemCrumblies Thanks it seems like there is hope. I did see Cody's post on the Lenovo formum. The downside is I paid extra for the RAM and didn't mind not having the RBG because I wouldn't see it in my setup. This is so disappointing. I spent all day configuring and pulling drives from my older Alienware and the last thing I did was update the BIOS thinking all would be fine. Lenovo did reach out and would like a video of my findings? Again the system looks great, the 3D Bench Mark scores are a lower than comperably equiped systems but I am runing the testing on a 49" Samsung Neo G9 which might impact those scores. Well at least I can set the Neo G9 to 240 HHz. Maybe I can work out a discount with Lenovo and keep the system. The price was good and I opted for a four year on-site warranty. The system just came in so I have some time to work with it. Thanks again.

[@DemCrumblies]

Yea I got a small discount like around 50 CAD when I asked for one due to the lower than rated ram speeds. I think the best you'll get is 4400 mhz with 4 sticks if you don't want to play with voltages, timings, etc.

[@DemCrumblies]

Btw, can you check in CPU-Z if your specs match mine shown here? drive.google.com/file/d/1qXtm8Qn88G0pCrFRWSS1xewjWN8uahje/view?usp=sharing

[@petersonfamily6223]

@@DemCrumblies See link below: drive.google.com/drive/folders/16RAweENLjo0Vfbjgq8xb0bKIiWmC4wGK?usp=sharing Your mainboard ends in 1010 while mine ends in 1028. Thanks