New Machine Day: Rogers 60 Ton Hydraulic Press

[@scottpecora371]

As others said, NOW is the time to make it the way you want it!

[@mikeking7470]

My dad had a "genius" welder that worked for him, he built a press much like that for our shop. One day he brought to the shop a piece of "bridge beam" and had the design sketched out in soapstone on the shop floor and the frame assembled in a couple of hours.

[@jamesogorman3287]

I’m not sure the words “genus” and “welder” have ever been seen together in history.

[@yeagerxp]

@@jamesogorman3287 Hello I am with the spelling police 🤣🤣🤣🤣. You spelled genius "genus"😛😛🤣🤣🤣 Peace

[@jamesogorman3287]

@@yeagerxp Touché, my friend.

[@gutsngorrrr]

That's a nice old hydraulic press and once all painted up and some new parts fitted, it's going to be a fantastic addition to your shop.

[@dr_ned_flanders]

I am a game developer and don't have a workshop but watching Keith, take some old engineering machinery apart and restore it is almost as good as me doing something myself on my own projects.

[@serpent213]

How are you able to compare…?

[@davidcat1455]

@@serpent213 I was wondering the same thing. Engineering machinery restoration is a useful process. Computer games ain’t.

[@LdHrothgar]

@@davidcat1455 In YOUR opinion maybe, just because you don't find "computer games" useful doesn't mean they aren't. I'd like to see you code yourself out of a wet paper bag... devaluing someone else's skills is BS.

[@davidcat1455]

@@LdHrothgar Sitting inside, staring at a screen while playing with some pathetic childish fantasy that doesn’t exist in the real world as compared to actually physically going out into a workshop and using engineering skills and manual dexterity to refurbish a machine that can actually perform useful work? Not even close.

[@LdHrothgar]

@@davidcat1455 "Pathetic childish fantasy", yeah... because there are no real world studies or examples showing how computer games help Vets (and others) with PTSD, or improve concentration, creativity, memory, language, teamwork, cognitive skills, problem solving, multi-tasking... I could go on. But YOU don't see value in it. Have the day you deserve.

[@RB-yq7qv]

Nothing like have a good press in the shop

[@ElmerJFudd-oi9kj]

This press is in good hands finally, it will come out as new and improved and all shiny and powerful knowing you Keith. Nice addition to the shop, and a nice project to work on ,I'm looking forward to it, thanks for posting.

[@jangoofy]

Mr. Rucker is the most calm and friendly person - but even he could not help but letting some disgust slip through when talking about the boat winch :-)

[@propulsar]

New machine day!! We Love it! Pulling the new machine to bits!! We love it even more! Nice little project there Keith.

[@bw6378]

Beveling or rounding the ends of all the C channels would be a nice touch. Thanks for the video!

[@craxd1]

I built a 50 T like that using an Enerpac Porta-Power with an electric power unit. We could quickly remove the cylinder and power unit for other jobs around the shop, such as pressing in large bearing races, etc. They do come in handy.

[@dannyl2598]

Thanks Keith. Something that I do for cleaning and degreasing, get a jug of "Awesome" from the dollars store for cheap and then put it in a 1 gallon pump up sprayer. Then you have a hose, wand, adjustable nozzle, large quantity and you can just hold the trigger down. It saves your finger and you don't have that mist right in your face. Looking forward to seeing it when you get it the way you want it to be.

[@MFStuffNinja]

I started doing that recently for general kitchen and bathroom cleaners. Picked up a cheap 1qt pump sprayer. Little conveniences go a long way.

[@Calamity_Jack]

I was thinking the same thing, at least using a pump sprayer. I get mine cheap from Harbor Freight and fill it up with Simple Green, Inexpensive and works great.

[@rustymachineshop9456]

Awesome rite up Keith alley cheap but he would prefer someone give it to him he wants everything free if he can't steal it he don't want it

[@stevenaegele5228]

When changing to electric motor, set it up with a foot operated switch. That way you have two hands available. Shop I worked at once had that and was handy to set up wheel bearing hubs.

[@outsidescrewball]

Congrats on the addition, nice to see you at the Bash

[@Mishn0]

You'll be able to break stuff real good with that! I bet the angle irons were bent just by people standing on them. It's true that the casters don't need to support the force of the press, but they still need to hold up whatever you're pressing on. Whether they'll be okay or not kind of depends on how big a workpiece you are going to be pressing on.

[@ElmerJFudd-oi9kj]

True!

[@truracer20]

I doubt that workers body weight bent 2"x2"x1/4" angle iron. If you have ever used a press you would realize that the part being pressed out is usually heavy and not something most employees are willing or able to catch. Those heavy falling parts are what bent the angles. Some times you'll see wooden crates full of foam padding under press tables or wooden pellets to soften the blow. Sometimes you'll see a forklift used to catch the parts. These methods only work in shops that allow employees the time to implement them.

[@walterplummer3808]

Good morning Keith. Great addition to the shop. Make it like you want it now.

[@gabbyhaze5857]

I've used a lot of presses at various locations over the years but I've never encountered one mounted on casters. There will be many applications when you do not want that press scooting around as you use it. Cut the wheels off. Also cut the new cross-ties off and tie the vertical stanchions together at the base with a wide flat plate. When parts drop to the floor (they certainly will!) they will strike the flat plate and ricochet less, and the concrete floor will be somewhat protected.

[@surlyogre1476]

Additional thought; instead of casters, set it up on a pallet-like structure, to be moved with your pallet-jack/forklift?

[@plainnpretty]

@@surlyogre1476I agree I wouldn’t want it on casters but being able to move it with a pallet Jack or fork truck would be great.

[@mbbmidwest3556]

Or replace the caster with the type that have feet that can be run down..

[@peterdouglas4073]

Resto mod definitely. Power pack 👍 Electric winch. New casters. I would watch for movement in the frame and bed. May need to consider additional bracing. The open ends of the top plates?🤔, bent bed bolts & sleeves could do with an upgrade, last bed locating pins ?🤔 After watching the plainer, bandsaw, mill. I can't help but see the press with pin stripes, new rollers with tapered metal tires. Anyway, I will be following this build and 👍

[@PeckerBrown]

Been a while since I caught one of your vids, so imagine my shock when I see half of you! Good on ya, and may you feel as good as you look.

[@Penright14]

I know you get a million thoughts on doing this or that. Here is a million and one. :-) I know what it is like to have thoughts in the heat of the battle and when you have time to think about it ..., you may have already had this thought. On the nuts you cut off that captured the ram. Instead of welding them back, maybe take a small piece of angle iron, bolt it to the flange of the ram, and let the overhang capture the ram. Then if you need to remove the ram you are looking at just unbolting it. It doesn't need to be super heavy-duty, I wonder if there is enough room, kind of hard to tell from the video, but you have a better view. :-) Just thinking out loud.

[@curtkuhns]

I've hit the big eight-oh and enjoy the heck out of your channel. I worked thirty years as a civilian engineer for the Navy; that was twenty years ago. While I am mostly a wood worker, I have a brother in law like you who enjoys bringing old machines back to health. Keep up the good work Keith and thanks for your trouble to video all of it! -Curt Kuhns

[@Poppi2006]

Welcome to the 9th decade! I joined on June 11.

[@terminalpsychosis8022]

This is a fun, relatively simple restoration / refresh. The hydraulic system will be interesting.

[@user-fu1bh3dt2c]

That has the makings of a fairly decent press. It really is lacking only two things, that is, a threaded ram extension that allows you to bring the ram down into contact with the work (or close to it) before you start pumping, and a two speed hydraulic pump, although I suppose it is possible (but not likely) that is a dual stage pump. An electric or air powered pump seems like a great idea and it is if you are doing a lot of "un-fussy" repetitive work like replacing track pins and bushings on construction machinery. But for general shop work and repair work you will absolutely miss the feedback you get from that hand pump. I've owned and used for many decades a 60 ton Manley that has proved time and again to be one of the most useful tools in the shop. It needed some maintenance work when I bought it and it still does. I just completed moving the press to my new shop. Maybe that, plus your vids, will give me the needed impetus to get that taken care of.

[@karll.masoner6918]

I love watching you, Keith. My problem with this stuff is I plan to just get it to what I need, but somewhere after it’s degreased I start reengineering and resto-moding it ‘til I’ve got more into it than it’s worth. I love your discipline.

[@mikewatson4644]

You sound like an engineer that I worked with a long time ago. A co-worker described his work as starting with a simple project and ending up with a space shuttle!! I hadn't thought about him in a long time. Thanks for reminding me

[@rockydogsdad]

You mean you actually finish projects? 😂

[@larrylawson5172]

I really liked what your old buddy, Fenner did when he built his press many years ago. No one ever abused their press. No 20 ton press was ever asked to press 50 tons. "Well, it fit the throat. I went to the limit and it did not move. I might have bent the frame. Oh well. John's shop has a 60 ton." Nothing ever dropped and landed on the cross angle iron that was designed to be flat on the floor and is now sitting 3" above the floor.

[@nathanbrickles6387]

Pressure on those pin was creating a rolling fulcrum which allowed the legs to spread at the bottom because of the casters which in turn stretched the angle iron and when pressure got released gravity took over and pulled the center down...not all at once though...it would be after years of use like that to cause it

[@scrotiemcboogerballs1981]

That looks like a great deal should be a fine addition to your shop thanks for sharing

[@jamesupton143]

Where old equipment goes to live another life.

[@halfinchholes88]

An Enerpac electric or pneumatic over/hydraulic drive would be great. When I was working as a railcar mechanic, we had a large 50 ton press similar to yours. The electric pump was very handy at dislodging bearings and what not, but this pump also had a hand pump to 'feel' the pressed piece come free. You could bring it up to pressure with the motor, and then pump the handle to delicately break free a pin or what-not. Simply plumb in the manual controls. Just my $.02.

[@ChuckThree]

Holy cow, I’ve been away from KZbin a while but you look like a new man! Congrats on the weight loss!

[@andrewgray1949]

Maybe look for a light duty hydraulic Ram with a stroke = half the travel of the cross piece, Mount vertically with the piston pointing down and put a pair of chain sprockets on it (run chain from a static anchor round the sprockets, giving a 2:1 ratio hence the ram only has to move half the distance), replace the 3 rollers with chain sprockets too and use roller chain instead of the winch cable - Tee off the hydraulic line with a 2 way valve - much slicker than a hand winch

[@desmondmonster]

love how long this video was, encompassing the whole cleanup and teardown of the machine.

[@morelenmir]

I imagine these primary disassembly moments are both rewarding and frustrating! Even watching second-hand there is a great sense of achievement and satisfaction in seeing you restore any of these machines to their original condition. Equally I would think every bent bolt and mount that needs reworking runs a cash till inside your head. Another pound here, another hundred pounds there...

[@daver681]

Keith, I have a big press and got tired of not hardly being able to move it and I put some heavy wheels on it so I can roll it away from the wall and put long things in it and it helps a lot, good luck

[@cropsey7]

Keith, I’m recovering from surgery and it’s really great to watch you work. I was looking forward to one of your videos. I can’t wait to see how the press comes out.

[@aserta]

Speedy recovery!

[@michaelyochum8532]

I had a 100 ton unit that we converted to a power pack. At the same time I removed the winch unit and replaced with a long stoke hydraulic cylinder with a diverter valve in order to raise and lower the bed with the power unit.

[@SegoMan]

I've seen many D/A rams used to raise / lower the bed with a hookup chain but not a separate lifting ram, thanks for the idea!

[@kimber1958]

Dear Keith. It was great seeing you at the bar Z bash 23. if you remember I was quite surprised to realize it was you I was speaking to. I had to grab your name tag to confirm. I think the camera must add 10 or 15 years Pluss 20 or 30 pounds. cause you looked fantastic in person. Sudhir Badal's reading this comment keith is very approachable and very friendly. Was not by and we'll take the time to Talk and listen to you. thank you Keith. by the way very nice press I don't believe you outgrow that one

[@jamesdrayon8733]

Look at using a Bendpack lift hydraulic self contained pump unit . Love your program.

[@mudnducs]

Thanks Keith

[@basebilljr07]

Found your channel while I was watching a video on the tally ho( Which I have been watching from the very beginning) And one of your videos Popped up in the recommended list And I've watched quite a few of your videos now. I am really enjoying them. But I really wanna see some more work on the tally ho capstan

[@ionstorm66]

I would bet the bend angle iron is from dropping press plates/spacers on it.

[@Frank-Thoresen]

So happy to see Keith's videos again. I have been away from this channel for a couple of years. Kieth has lost a lot of weight. Normally it is great and I hope that he is OK ❤️

[@ratdude747]

Nitpick: The frame flaring out may have been it's original shape, as the angle irons shortened when they got bent. I personally would have measured from the top and cut the tubing to that dimension, so if anything, it would pull to squareness.

[@markbernier8434]

I had a different thought, that they were bent that way on purpose so something cylindrical would fit underneath. Just a man standing on it wouldn't bend angle iron like that.

[@tsmartin]

I had the same thought.

[@tsmartin]

@@markbernier8434 Doubtful that they were bent on purpose. It's more likely years of abuse.

[@fowletm1992]

Someone took the table out or threaded something though the table and tried pressing against the angle iron, something really long that didn't fit, seen it done lots of times Either that or something heavy pressed off fell and hit them, that's also common

[@randallparker8477]

My neighbor got a similar "old style" press carcass, he replaced the H beams, someone had used them for attempts at torch or plasma cutting. When it came to the winch he installed a small vehicle winch unit and used the synthetic rope on it. He did some wiring and and had controllable up and down. His already had hydraulic system with 2 stage fine and gross control for pressure. Great fun (meaning hard work and long hours) project!

[@bboomer7th]

Thanks for the video. The manufacturers’ nameplate is front and centre, and would look even better if it was straight.

[@Hoaxer51]

I thought it looked like it was on there crooked, maybe just the camera angle?

[@CraigLYoung]

If you run into any problems with the Cylinder. You got a friend in Florida that's great with Hydraulics.

[@ericmcrae7758]

Oh my Keith you do like starting another project. Is there any progress on the Steam engine coal motor? I thought straight away when you got the HBM I guess this is to get that casting machined not for the Diresta wheels. I guess the back burner is getting quite full.

[@alandaters8547]

Finding that press went quick! It is great to see the honest interactions between you and your viewers and contacts-if only more people were that respectful and considerate. Its nice to see that the press came apart so well-maybe there are some suitable casters left from that auction up in Pennsylvania. If (really when) you electrify the hydraulics it may be just as easy to get a small electric winch for lifting the beam-they are pretty cheap or maybe even available used. thanks for the video!

[@rustysteed8414]

Keith Fenner built an awesome press for his shop, with the electric pump setup. I'm sure he could provide some helpful info.

[@tbernardi001]

Keith: Congrats on your weight loss. Looking good. I bet your knees and hips are thanking you for it. Keep up the great work and the keep up the great content.

[@adamsanders89]

6” of rain in 5 days, sounds nice move to Auckland we get that in an hour reasonably frequently this year !!!!!

[@LanceMcGrew]

27:40 "RODE HARD AND PUT AWAY WET" is what I grew hearing. Referring to race horses.

[@larrystaton3785]

Well I might have messed this up, so I’ll try again. I would like for you to consider putting the pressure gauge inline and at eye level with the cylinder feed. This would serve a two fold purpose. 1) it would make it easier for you to track the actual pressure being allied to the part. 2) with a simple calculation, you could easily convert the applied pressure to Tons of force. In my humble opinion this would give you better control. I worked at an integrated steel mill as a maintenance mechanic for 38 years and our shop had several presses. The gauge location on all of them was mounted at eye level. I did help upon many occasions. Have a good day and be safe. I do enjoy your work and have learned a lot from watching.

[@pault4513]

We had 100 ton nugger press in our truck shop Alway kept a big piece of wood (beam) that sat at. The bottom between the side beams of the press that stopped the pieces that came apart from hitting the floor

[@billkurek5576]

Yes . Nice addition for the shop . You must pinstripe it. The precedent has been set!!

[@joewhitney4097]

This is going to be a fun project for you Keith. Some elbow grease and tender care and you should have a very nice shop press. Anxious to watch the rebuild. Thanks for sharing.

[@3cl1]

I found one that came from an aero space business in Texas. Only has power function, it has a bunch of hydraulic hoses.

[@SegoMan]

I know the build is over and the thing is in use but the ram trolley needs some tapped tabs on it so once the ram is in position it can be locked in place for wobble free use.

[@scottthomas5999]

Keith, you are loosing weight. Good for your health. Not easy. Good job.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@phillipyannone3195]

We had a 125 ton Dake in our shop. The ram was 18” diameter and the pump used a 3/4” leather cup. It was very slow going. There was a 6” Diameter Acme quick adjust inside the ram. We tried to add an air over hydraulic assist but it just blew the oil out. Looking forward to seeing your final results.😊

[@scottthomas5999]

It will be a great press when you are done. A very manageable project. Cool.

[@garywalters4286]

A great addition to the shop.

[@marksnyder2232]

I'd look at the cable table raise lower mechanism on other presses, and probably from the original manual for yours. There are couple of ways to run the routing so a single cable goes to both sides and moves things up and down at an identical rate, keeping the table level. It does slow the movement rate so you can use a winch with much less mechanical advantage, at least for the reeving pattern I'm thinking of. Having the table stay level during moves can be handy when you have something sitting there and need to make an adjustment between steps of a process. If nothing else it looks and feels slicker to use.

[@thisolesignguy2733]

Glad to see you finally obtained a hydraulic press! You were needing one badly. Nicely done

[@Morrisonspouch]

Looking healthy Keith

[@williammurfin6354]

Awesome pick up Keith. I'd love to find one of those over here, a little smaller one (40T) would be perfect for me.

[@johnjoines1732]

look at some of Keith Fenners videos on the press he made. I utilized his concepts and made a press that uses rack and pinion gears to lower the table instead of using the cables. Just a thought. Respectfully, john

[@Ham68229]

I have a 20 ton press from Cummins tools, I put casters on mine a very long time ago, best thing I ever did to that press. I was going to suggest using tubing for those cross members. Since both are bent at same angle, seems like someone laid something extra heavy on it not thinking. Congrats on the new addition to the shop, once you get her cleaned up, the rest of your machines will be jealous. Great video as always, cheers :)

[@garybeasley4885]

Steve Summers not too long ago repaired his press cables. They were routed so it only used one cable to lift the crossbar. Might be good to refer to that. Adam Booth repairs the hydraulic cylinders, I’ll bet he can set that one straight.

[@peteengard9966]

My old shop had a Rogers 80 ton press very similar to that. The cylinder traverse locked by a cam and lever. The pump was a two stage. Fast travel with little pressure and slow travel under pressure. The winch for raising the bed was broken for decades. We just used a forklift for that. You get better control with the manual pump. Our 100 ton roll bed press was electric/hydraulic. No fine control and difficult to set up because of the speed.

[@paulwomack5866]

I like the sound of the two stage pump very much.

[@rexmyers991]

WOW - good friends come thru for you. Wonderful.

[@MX-Drew]

Instead of cutting the bolt off the ram you could have cut out a small section in the H beam (probably at one end) for it to pass through . I would still do this for re assembly so you can weld the nut back on and paint it easily.

[@richardsurber8226]

Nice piece of equipment

[@6NBERLS]

Most excellent.

[@dankolar6066]

A possible vendor for hydraulics is the Surplus Center of Lincoln NE. Years ago, before safety regulations, their warehouse was an interesting place to wander thru.

[@MFStuffNinja]

Keith, just want to say that your weight loss is noticeable. Keep up the good work!!

[@paulkinzer7661]

Another great tool to bring back so you can use it to bring other great tools back!

[@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578]

Nice press thanks for sharing

[@rickswanberg4995]

One suggestion, in place of the bolts and spacer tubes for the moving worksurface, put a solid block of metal between the channels and bolt in place. Much, much stronger and the channels will not move in relation to each other. Look forward to the rebuild.

[@paulsilva3346]

Hey Keith, you have to tell me the name of the new camera that you're using cuz man, you look leaner nowadaze.!😅 12:44

[@mm9773]

Naming things is hard, really hard. Except when you’re making hydraulic presses: “Ladies and gentlemen, meet the Sixty”

[@garys9694]

Without a new pump, you'll have a grand in new parts. But you really need this equipment, money well spent. Of course, you'll have the added content. I was wondering about the double E.

[@z06doc86]

Dang, Keith is a machine!

[@paulatkinson2849]

Look good when done 👍

[@bobkelly2447]

looks like you got a good press there Keith ! congrats ! and thank you to the guy that helped you find it and his generosity of delivering it too ! that was above and beyond the call of duty ! it's good to see there are still people out there willing to sacrifice their time and money to help another ! ..... when you get that press up and running like you want maybe those taper hubs won't be so hard to get apart !!!! 60 tons is alot !!!!

[@martineastburn3679]

If you consider the loads and work but really the cast iron dies and flats for the cross bar flopping down there out of the way as a small item was put there and. You need some forms up there to hold things as you press into them or through them.

[@phlodel]

Those angle irons got bent because someone wanted to press something that was too long for the press table. The part fit between the channels of the table, and they just pressed against those little angle irons. I worked with a guy that did this repeatedly to our press. Our fabricator would fix it and the insensitive lout would do it again.

[@phlodel]

Ideally, the base would be strong enough to press against but you probably won't have a need to press long shafts and such.

[@Hoaxer51]

That was my thought also about pressing against the two bottom angle iron pieces.

[@robertbass9032]

Looks like the one we had in our maintenance shop. The shop was located in SoCal with the company's HQ in St. Paul. So a Rogers is entirely possible.

[@Sixta16]

Not been watching Keith's videos for a while... He is so much more slim now, wow. What happened? 😲

[@elsdp-4560]

Thank you for sharing.👍

[@SPUDHOME]

Looks like the angle iron rails, at he casters is bent out. Straightening, or replacing, them will make the unit easier to move about.

[@RRINTHESHOP]

That press should fit your needs. Big but you do big stuff. Nice.

[@adamfaris9375]

Does anyone know how the 60 ton capacity is rated? My guess is its when the ram head is centered. When you look at load tables for horizontal beams that have a vertical leg on each end , one leg will carry more weight when the load is off center. I get that the stress is between the top beam and press bed, but there is a section of tubing connecting them. Does the 60 ton rating decrease if the ram head is pushed to one side?

[@mathewritchie]

My one piece of advice is to not put casters on all for mounts two at one end and straight wheels on the other means slightly less manoeuvrable but it wont act like a shopping trolly.

[@MrCpalombo72]

KEITH! you are losing weight, buddy. You look great! Keep it up!

[@Country_Bubba]

Keith, check with Brian Block as he showed how his was powered with an old injector pump and had very fine control! Good luck.

[@BigLapua]

Keith, I would put two $75 linear actuators in place of the wench. They work really well. Vevor sells them pretty reasonably

[@SegoMan]

wench 😯😯

[@jerrypeal653]

You can fab up a punch and die for bending up steel etc.

[@bcbloc02]

Should have the strength to break lots of things loose! Just be sure to have the torches stored next to it so you can use heat before everything is broken apart instead of pressed apart. :-0

[@andypughtube]

A bit late now, but the bends in the angle irons would be making them shorter, pulling the uprights in. I was watching you cut expecting to see the uprights spring out to their natural position, but that was lost in the cut. So, I think that the relaxed position is where the uprights probably should be, though a better test would be to measure the top spacing and match that. Not that it matters at all, really.

[@ellieprice363]

A couple coats of high gloss Dake green would be a good color for that press. Definitely install an electric pump with the hydraulic gage at eye level. Might need a new ram also depending on the condition of the old one.