New MAJOR (selfish) Stumbling Block causes DELAY in PGA LIV Golf Deal

This is nothing short of selfish right?! There is a new major stumbling block which I can't get my head round in the PGA liv golf deal. This has been labelled as outlandish, childish nonsensical. We are talking here about a certain PGA tour player...find out everything you need to know about why and who has been blocking the LIV golf and PGA tour deal.
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[@josephroberts6865]

For starters, it wasn’t the PGAT’s money that LIV players received. It came from PIF and PIF controls that aspect of money, not the PGAT. What it really signifies is that players demanding LIV players pay back the money are simply jealous the LIV players made a wise business decision and I bet TW is leading that jealousy chorus.

[@cleveland2022]

PGA Tour Players need to realize LIV Defections made them more money. What a bunch of maroons on the PGA tour. No LIV players should not give back a dime

[@shankedit65]

Pgatour players dont want them back because they know they are less likely to win/ make money

[@Syrin23]

The LIV players have been MUCH worse since joining live with the single exception of Bryson. NUMEROUS articles about how poorly the LIV players have done in Majors since joining LIV with all sorts of analysis as to why. So reality disagrees with your emotional rant.

[@shankedit65]

@Syrin23 on top of Bryson, you know Brooks won the PGA Championship as a LIV player, Joaquin won the Australian open this year, Louis an Dean both won twice on the dp world tour this year, liv players have won 6 times on the Asian tour this year, come on get your head out of your arse

[@chaselleprice2833]

@@shankedit65 Don’t waste your time with PGAT bootlickers as they only listen to what Golf Channel indoctrinates them with.

[@Syrin23]

@@shankedit65 Argue with all the golf analysts looking at how the entire field of LIV players have performed in majors. Here's a hint. AWFUL. I suggest you pull up a deeply analytical article discussing this and argue with the facts.

[@seanmawson6286]

@@Syrin23 they don't let them play the Majors they let a handful in facts and they still managed to win a couple facts you and your facts🙃🙃🙃

[@solson223]

This is exactly what happens in businesses worldwide. For example, you have a founder and CEO of a company that brings said company from nothing to super star status. The company ends up creating a board full of different minds that don't always agree with the CEO and vote to take the company in a different direction, tanking the stocks, turning off loyal customers and eventually getting rid of the CEO. This is essentially what's happening on the PGAT right now. You have a bunch of selfish kid-minded adults that can't see the big picture and just let their emotions get in the way of progress. They didn't get theirs so those who left can't have theirs either. How dare Rahm get hundreds of millions and get to play on the PGA tour again!! 🤪

[@cleveland2022]

Facts

[@shankedit65]

Im getting to the point i dont want a deal, eff the arrogance of the Americans

[@anthonybelham1466]

Where would the PGAT be if PIF bought the DPTOUR outright.🤔.

[@stefanmuller9653]

Literally every PGA Tour player gained massively from LIV by not moving and keep playing on the Tour. They took no risk because they were too scared yet gained from it. Why do the LIV players need to repay anything?? Go have a look at the 2024 PGA Tour earnings. Number 70 earned more than $2m. Everyone in the top 20 made more than their respective LIV players on their ranking. Yes they played more events than LIV but still. Played in weaker fields and earned much more money. Sounds like the PGA Tour players need to pay back some money

[@chaselleprice2833]

The top 15 LIV and PGAT players all made over $6m without adding end of season bonuses, beyond that is where PGA players started to outdistance the LIV golfers with only 3 LIV making over $5m while PGA had 9 and it got much more lopsided after that. Complete farce that PGA players want LIV guys to give back all their signing bonuses and forfeit all winnings on tour if they come back.

[@scottmcdonald9924]

This is the stupidest thing in the world. If they want money go play for liv, they will offer what they think your worth is and you can do what you want. Nobody on liv is going to give back there money or forfeit any future winnings. Why would they? They already left pgat. It is all pgat that is holding up this process, pif has already agreed to pay fines and do whatever, pgat wants to punish the players who took a chance at less golf more money.

[@colinclelland8960]

Agree - primarily about some PGAT players wanting to punish LIV players.

[@ajstclair]

the ONLY reason the pga "tour" exists is the fans - it's an "entertainment property" and that is all - no fans? no tv, no tickets at venues, no sponsors equals no tour. but the pga acts like most corporations/politicians today, all they care about is themselves, the "fans"? f 'em. the idea that "what happened yesterday" has some hold over today, is a psychological illusion used by people trying to manipulate the present. if i was made "king of golf" i could arrange a scenario where all the best players played in a series of events tomorrow, i wouldn't care about pga/liv, etc., all i would need to know is availability. end of story. so the idea that there are "sticking points" is pure politics.

[@whittiercheech5659]

They should not have to pay a penny. The pga players chose not to go that's on them what a bunch of cry babies. I stopped watching the golf channel.

[@kurtheitman552]

Agree 100%. I don’t watch the golf channel when they have that effeminate guy and the ethnocentric guy on. They aren’t even real golfers (just hackers at best). Like having a personal trainer that is obese. No thanks.

[@calross7143]

Grow up PGA, and grow up golf fans that want top golfers of both tours playing more against each other. LIV golfers are happy on LIV, just want to play Majors...and Ryder Cup for some. Why would a LIV golfer give money back to play on a currently lesser tour...? Allow LIV golfers to play in Majors...and create a new team golf comp with USA, European, international team and an added LIV team and played every end of every year. And just so by the by...Tiger is a Has-Been, so are Spieth and JT...and Cantlay is a Never-Been!

[@auburneagle1410]

No, they don’t have to give their money back because nobody would.

[@chaselleprice2833]

Agree plus LIV players have a clause that would penalize them greater financially if they back out of their contracts. Only a handful got +$100m contracts while most of the others got much less $10-$40m. There were 4-5 players that got $50-$75m.

[@PhyllisCasillas]

The PGA players have no say in anything.. they never have, which is why LIV was created… could it be that the real delay for working out a deal is because maybe the PGA’s books have been cooked for years and now they’re trying to figure a way to get out of getting caught?

[@rdbrook100]

Swings and roundabouts.... Boo hoo.... DP/European tour players have boosted the PGA tour for the last 25 years..... Take , Take, Take Bring back the WGC events as mixed tour events with the majors... That's 8 events.. Happy days

[@scottmcdonald9924]

Agreed, I don't understand why they turned down liv's offer and make dp tour more money prizes and more players want to play in it instead of coming to pgat. Elivate British open, Irish open and so on.

[@Syrin23]

Scotty Sheffler, Xander Schauffle, Bryson Dechambeau, COlin Morikawa and MANY more are LAUGHING at this post.

[@DocGolf]

Correct. The PGA Tour relies on International players, it's been that way for years. Players only went there for the bigger prize money. Look at this year's FedEx, half the top 30 were internationals.

[@scottmcdonald9924]

@DocGolf correct, but the top players used to play in the British open, Scottish open and Irish open and other tournaments which they stopped doing. Late 90's early 2000 is when everyone stopped going over there and pgat upped their tournament season. They used to be 18 tourneys in a season.

[@johndavis2653]

you are spot on..... the LIV guys took all the risk and the rest have reaped greatly from that, so just get on with in. Just another point, Rory should have been even more grateful as it gave him an opportunity to win something with some of the best out of the way. Didn't help did it

[@russellhoguephd7925]

It’s really simple. The best players on the PGAT would want LIV players in the field as often as possible. However, the bottom half of the field, realize that they may not have a card. There would be 30-40 players that would lose their card if LIV guys were playing more often.

[@stevenorr3196]

Who cares if they reach agreement or not? I for one am more than happy watching what I want to when I want. Liv is trully global, they take their players to many countries and I like their format. PGA players not happy about Liv golfers getting big bucks want them to pay it back? Boo Hooo, some of them had their chance and knocked it back, then they heaped ridicule on the Liv players...so as the old saying goes, make your bed you can lay in it!!

[@chaselleprice2833]

We love the LIV format and watching on their LIV+ app is awesome with absolutely no commercials (gladly pay when advertisers expand to keep watching on the app) we have attended many LIV events in the states but would love to enjoy it in some of the exotic places like Singapore or Australia.

[@shankedit65]

Of course they shouldnt,

[@jimlangdon1947]

Only allow players who have won on the LIV tour play majors. Then the PGAT players will change their minds. 😀

[@thomask6681]

As I have said before, start a global tour and make 4 new Majors, 1 in America,Europe,Asia Pacific and Africa. It's ridiculous to have 3 Majors in 1 country, just look at the tennis, 4 Majors in 4 countries and it's much fairer for all players worldwide. I am sick and tired of the Pga Tour players and have stopped watching it now. If the DP tour had any brains, they should have joined PIf and been the main tour in the world. Americans only like playing in their backyard and won't travel globally.

[@chaselleprice2833]

Correct, Majority of PGA players only want to play in the USA outside of a few events nearby (Mexico/Dominican Republic). I agree with your assessment that DP should join LIV as OWGR is outdated and heavily weighted towards the PGAT.

[@richardjackson9725]

I’m struggling to believe this is true. No one is going to care what a player finishing 212 says about anything. No way Tiger gives a sh*t what anyone else got paid.

[@techvelo]

I never watch PGA Tour events, I've tried a few times like when the Bryan Bros were playing but, there was no way to watch them only featured groups and what they did show made me feel like I was in a retirement home. I'm flying out tomorrow for my 3rd LIV event this year the Team Championship. I live next to Quail Hollow and didn't go to the PGA event there but I've been to LIV Nashville, Greenbier and now Dallas.

[@chaselleprice2833]

We love LIV as well and have taken our kids to many events over the past 3 seasons. The music isn’t as bad as the haters claim plus you only need a tad more than 5 hours to enjoy the entire tournament while at the PGAT we use spend 10+ hours. Haven’t attended a single PGA event in over 2 years and we use to go often due to residing in Florida. Enjoy Dallas!

[@kennethbnorris]

I think LIV would do well to create their own Opens on various continents. A US, European, Asian, and Australian would be pretty cool to see. It might help them expand their global market. After all, three of the four majors are currently in the US. Lots of eyeballs out there that aren’t getting catered to.

[@Looper4Life]

The PGA Tour should come out with a statement saying they are open to letting Koepka and Dechambeau back onto the PGA Tour.....since those two are the only players worth anything anymore.

[@kennethmckinney2532]

Lol

[@anthonybelham1466]

Haha 2 Americans back to the PGAT🤣🤣

[@Looper4Life]

@@anthonybelham1466 Cameron Smith is the only European player exempt into all four majors. This is the LIV Tour's assessment of one of their "stars" right from their website: CAMERON SMITH, Ripper GC 2024 Results: T6-Masters, T63-PGA, T32-U.S. Open, MC-Open 2025 Exemptions: All four majors Now two years removed from his Open victory at St Andrews, he had another top-10 finish at the Masters but was otherwise a non-factor. He was “quietly confident” going into Royal Troon but was on the bad end of the draw and opened with an 80. Year-long issues with his driver continue to plague him.

[@seanmawson6286]

​@@Looper4Lifeas an Australian that's a bloody insult mate he's not European you goose is Australian

[@chaselleprice2833]

Highly doubt Koepka and Bryson would come back as both are doing fine on LIV.

[@MC-nb6jx]

As PGAT money increased because of Liv will they all give back the money? Ahh “that’s different” 🤣🤣

[@chaselleprice2833]

I doubt any of the complainers still on the PGAT are bitching about the increased prize funds and you know full well NONE of the would ever give it back. LIV guys on the other hand are very happy where they stand.

[@rogerwhite7719]

Hilarious that PGA fans try to assume the the PGAT has the stronger position. They are across the table from a guy who has $700B at his disposal.

[@josephNeidigh]

In the real world we don"t care about LIV or PGA golf only thing that matters in GOLF is MAJORS nobody is living and dying over regular PGA or LIV tournaments. LIV should start there own MAJORS and everybody stay in the lane they choose. NO CROSS OVER and let the public pick what THEY want to watch.

[@oswjim]

212th - William McGirt -- who the hell is he?

[@chaselleprice2833]

William McGirt is #204 so definitely not him.

[@chaselleprice2833]

212 on the season ending Fed Ex points list is Danny Willett and not William McGirt who finished at 204. This is directly on the PGA Tour website.

[@russellhoguephd7925]

Someone down on the money list, “what about the money I lost?” Simple. They wouldn’t have made any of the money and would be 275th on the money list if they were still playing.

[@rogerwhite7719]

Also PGAT prize $ have gone up 20% plus due to LIV. Seem to me LIV players should get a bonus.

[@ianmarshall218]

Here's a thought, fans want to see the best players competing against each other! Then why so much support for LIV? Fair enough, a lot of players, in their autumn years, wanted a huge pension, great, and some rookies plumped for a massive income, which was not available to they, on the PGA tour. All that said, while talented but struggling players are forced our of the professional game, by high costs, massive amounts of money is being spent on a few multi millionaires!

[@Syrin23]

So leave Jon Rahm out and bring the rest back then negotiate separately with Rahm if that is what it's going to take to get the deal done. The LIV players destroyed their career golf legacy in exchange for insane amounts of money. That was the trade off. Their quality of play has suffered massively with the exception of Bryson.

[@JohnAngle-vw8yq]

Tiger at 216 is the only name that makes sense

[@chaselleprice2833]

Agree, other than TW I suspect #208 Brandt Snedeker as I vaguely remember him commenting that “Actions have consequences “. He was very snark towards LIV players which is probably why they gave him the Payne Stewart award.

[@dbo4506]

The comments came from 212. It’s not a secret.

[@chaselleprice2833]

@@dbo4506 #212 on the 2024 Fed Ex points list is Danny Willett. He only played two events on the PGA tour this past year? Doesn’t sound right🤔

[@curtpoe1574]

No payback? yes. Their world rankings dropped significantly and that’s penal enough.

[@FrankMann-wn4pt]

There has to be some consequence for those who left and come back. Since the signature events were a result of the split, then perhaps for a year or two the LIV golfers would be ineligible for all or some of the signature events. This would be a show of loyalty for those who stayed with the PGA and there is a consequence for those who left. I know its simple; but its not stupid like giving money back. IMHO

[@landiscourington4514]

No- they should not give it back!

[@jerrykrasinski5836]

DP World tour should get their heads out of their a#$%s and the best players play the Ryder cup. Host sponsors should get in on the act and invite them as sponsors picks. LIV has put more money on the events played by the other tours.

[@golflre7179]

In union terminology, LIV players are scabs. They broke rank for money. F em, they made their bed, suffer the consequences. Make them go thru qualifying and Korn Ferry like anybody else. I am deadset against letting them back in.

[@andybt3989]

MV is spot on!

[@davidree2858]

is this the same patrick cantlay who refused to wear his ryder cup cap over money issues??

[@donwilson39]

The gossip king speaks again

[@kevinwyckoff6878]

Keep your cash. They both made choices and both got raises.

[@csam2]

Pay every cent back 100% they should

[@StellaLove]

hmm...I think some players will be p@ssed ... not particularly because of jealousy etc... but for example it is context ... if the paper talk is right for example ... alot of the elite players that left ..in the initial instance destabilized the tour and put it at risk for all of the players and in Rahms case were paid 450 Mill or thereabouts a hugely disproportionate amount ,this was largely because yes he is a great player ..but you could argue because he made his rep and was given and yes made it on the PGA..... but LIV offered him and others crazy money to BREAK the tour up essentially...... I think to pay it back is unrealistic....but a difficult circle to square, but I think something has to be done in that effect , not sure how...and the other issue for me is whatever you think the whole Saudi LIV thing in terms of how it has been done...stinks....a few twists yet me thinks..the amounts the players were bribed is/and still is NOT commercially viable and the uplifts/no cut and elevated events on the PGA tour and amounts compared to the LIV money is chump change...

[@johnburnett3942]

No way they should have to pay back money. Liv and dp do a deal. Pga go it on your own. Bye bye.

[@stephencwilson8151]

If they want to go GO. Quit whining about not being able to come back!!

[@drgrzz]

Hey better question is do you think that PIF/Saudi’s are getting a return on their investment?

[@adygolf]

Totally agree with you . ❤

[@donaldfletcher7213]

I say let the liv players stay where they are their not good enough anyway that's why they went over there anyway their not even in the top ten if their league is so good let them stay there you can't have your cake and eat it to stop crying 😭😭😭

[@kennethmckinney2532]

Lol. So old. Grow up

[@drgrzz]

Liv golfers don’t belong in the pga and pga don’t belong in liv BUT They can have say 4 crossover events where the top 25 of LIV and top 25 of PGA compete. And then have a Ryder Cup style match between the LIV and PGA. To me it’s simple as that.

[@stuartwood5571]

They took the risk? What an incredibly stupid statement. No many of us don’t want any deal with LIV. Norman and Mickelson and all the players tried to destroy the PGAT. LIV is failing and the Saudi Prince has created some major economic problems for his country with his absurd Neom project. I’m quite happy watching the current PGAT events and players. Whether Dechambeau is in the Presidents Cup or Koepka is in The Players Championship is of no interest whatsoever.

[@seanmawson6286]

You wrote all that for that you're not very smart are you😅😅😅😅

[@rickroche583]

I am not sure I am with this "just get on with it" stance. There were a large number of players who decided to stay with their Tours. Stay loyal and not take the money and run. Fact, not emotion. Many of those players will not now be able to play in events where LIV players are allowed back due to restrictions of the size of the field. Fact, not emotion. The affected players will find it far harder to earn a living by not being able to play - On the other side; LIV players can just come back, having been paid crazy money and give a crap about anyone else. That cannot be right - Opinion!