🔥(NEW) Optimum Touchless vs. Bilt Hamber Touchless Review and Test | OPT Touchless Decon

[@FineDetailingAZ]

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[@Jose.G.Y]

What I like about BH is the honesty. They add the hyphen to ensure people know it’s not a 100% touch free cleaner. However, from my experience using it you can go below that 2% max PIR. I think that’s more reserved for really soiled cars. I’m using it closer to 1% PIR

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Totally agree, I've been playing with .5-2% and it's very good either way.

[@DearSX]

I split the difference and got the Koch Chemie active foam with 9.5ph and less oz needed per foam cannon fill up. Used that then ONR Rinse-less for a quick winter wash.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

KCX AF is outstanding! Also the best smelling soap on the market.

[@keithblacknell957]

Ive been using BH products for years here in the UK and touch-less since release. It cleans just as well at 1% pir. If a vehicle had been off roading id use it at 2% but for normal heavy soiled vehicles in the winter 1% works ! Making it really affordable.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thank you for watching! I will try it at 1% next time.

[@joshuawrinn34]

@@FineDetailingAZ a short / video of this please :)

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@joshuawrinn34 you got it! I’ll try the pump sprayer too

[@joshuawrinn34]

@ that would be great so see if you can save on product since PIR would be less OZ in an IK or marolex

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ exactly! I got you

[@rdeh1678]

Pir is really easy to calculate , you fill your foam cannon with water and spray it into a bucket that has measurements as soon as the foam can is empty stop spraying then measure the water in the bucket so if it's 10.4 liters in the bucket and the pir Is 2% you times 10.4 x. 02 you get .2 per liter

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@rdeh1678 thanks for watching! I linked a how to guide for those that don’t understand but thank you for adding this

[@tedvillanueva7310]

Thanks for the comparison Ryan. I was contemplating getting the OPT,however i think I'll stick with my tried and true pre-wash ,which is Griots Foaming Surface wash. I use that alone followed by a rinse with DI water and a blow dry in between contact washes and my car comes out clean. My car is ceramic coated and so thats just my way of cleaning the car when i dont want to do a full contact wash when the car isnt rhat dirty.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@tedvillanueva7310 happy to help! Love griots foaming surface wash! Does such a good job.

[@YouTubeMF]

Great comparsion, a huge thanks!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@KZbinMF thanks for watching!

[@TomScelfo]

Thanks for the comparison review!! The PIR calcs took me a while when I first bought the BH because I tried various positions of the "shampoo valve" on the top of my MJJC foam cannon, from fully clockwise (maximum shampoo) to partially closed, and also did the calcs for a 1.1 and 1.25 nozzle. With my Westinghouse electric pressure washer with the MJJC, for a 2% PIR with the shampoo valve fully open (clockwise), I need 6.0 ounces of BH in the bottle for a 1.25mm nozzle and 5.5 ounces for a 1.1mm nozzle.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@TomScelfo thanks for watching! Yeah I’m finding that in the cannon it can be wasteful. I’ll be trying it in the pump sprayer soon

[@Sm0k3P]

Would love to see the entire BH lineup in the US for around the cost overseas. IMO it’s the best lineup available maybe the house will get it one day. Love the videos keep them coming.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thank you! I think OG will be bringing it all in and maybe thor too. FYI you can order from carzilla and they ship to the US only $69 spend for free shipping actually. FD5 saves ya 5%!

[@djparra41]

I’m a bit of a noob, but I am having a hard time finding a use for these pre-washes. I live in Tucson and I can’t think of a circumstance where this would be necessary outside of needing to get mud off of your vehicle after four wheeling. I can understand more northern areas, but even after monsoon season my ceramic coated vehicles rinse right off, on days where the vehicles are just dusty, using a pressure washer with DI water brings them back freshly washed status in five minutes.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@djparra41 thanks for watching! I’m in Phoenix and agree it doesn’t get that dirty here. That said the bilt hamber is pretty safe to use. I always use a pre wash to help get the dirt off but I use a PhN pre wash then rinse then use slicker soap for my contact wash. If your car is well kept a phN wash is all you need for sure.

[@ptrazz11]

CHEM X Stars and Stripes!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@ptrazz11 I keep hearing good things! I am curious how harsh it is for plastics and trim long term

[@sebastienderidder5418]

Nice work man 💪 Is it possible to use In a pump sprayer where you live ? Or is is to hot outside? When you use touch less in pump sprayer it is really economical. 20ml in 1l water and good to go (Bilt hamber) I usually only sppray te lower parts of the car and use KCX AF in foam canon for the rest of the car Keep up the good work

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@sebastienderidder5418 thank you! Yes I can use a pump sprayer I’ll make a video on it soon. Way more economical

[@TTTTTTT-F95]

BH Touchless is truly a great product. Keep in mind, that 2% suggestion is for very dirty cars. I use a IK Multi Pro 12+ sprayer at .5% dilution and it still cleans phenomenally. As I get deeper into winter, I will increase the dilution. Nonetheless, always enjoy your videos!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@TTTTTTT-F95 thanks! I know the 2% is for the heavy dirt just wanted to compare the strongest dilutions for each

[@adrianmoore3118]

Touchless is the best on the market in my opinion.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@adrianmoore3118 I agree!

[@archiepezek]

Great video. I'm always looking for a better prewash soap. I like your style and I have subscribed. Thank you.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thank you for your support! Go check out my other videos!

[@DetailsNMe]

That outro was fire…what are your thoughts on the process of finding the PIR for your setup? Great video Ryan!!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

KRISTI! Thanks! I followed OG's guide: www.obsessedgarage.com/blogs/og-knowledge-base/what-is-pir-and-why-should-you-care-about-it?srsltid=AfmBOor7REyUEXgfUqMZxNQE9izVA8qL3BHhgsE-biGPxwjmFZOw7z3C

[@NeilJohn-the-washer]

Detailed demo. BH as a pre-wash followed by a rinse-less wash as contact wash and get back in the warmth for the winter win!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Excellent choice! Would be cool if BH came out with a rinseless!

[@NeilJohn-the-washer]

I don't think the market could take yet another new rinse-less! Lolz

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ haha that’s fair

[@stevecharnasjr.7241]

Great video Ryan! Thank you for the comparison. In my opinion on prewashes…whether ph neutral or alkaline, that second layer of surfactants makes a difference in cleaning ability with most products. That’s just my experience. So those types of products are more my go to for that. I haven’t tried Labcosmetica line which is next on my list. But awesome review on a new product, I’d stay with BH in this type of category. Thanks again Ryan!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@stevecharnasjr.7241 thank you! Totally agree that’s why I called out the secondary surfactants of BH. Labo primus 2.0 has those as well. I can compare both of those next. BH is excellent though no need to run out and switch.

[@jfarm_1311]

Nice one here. I’ve been researching prewashes lately. I wouldn’t plan to use them very often maybe a few times per year. I’d be curious if the results were different if you rinsed bottom up with the pressure washer close then final rinse. They both did well, but I haven’t seen any products I’d feel confident enough to hand dry after using without a contact wash. I don’t have di water so I don’t like blow drying. Thanks for all you’re doing

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@jfarm_1311 thank you for watching! I don’t think rinsing from bottom to top makes a different other then allowing the product to dwell for seconds longer. I agree I’d only hand dry if I di rinse otherwise I’d do a contact wash.

[@johnhopkins7614]

Hi I use BH TL at a much lower concentration and it still works beautifully.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@johnhopkins7614 good to know I’ll have to try at .5 or 1 pir

[@kwl189]

@@FineDetailingAZ1% apparently is very competitive to 2%. However 0.5% is tough to work with as there is a significant drop off but it is tough to expect 5ml in 1000ml (1 litre) to do anything on a dirty car. The fact you only use 20ml of product in 1000ml for outstanding results is incredible.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ agreed I’m still playing with different dilutions. Really economical

[@kwl189]

@ yeah. I’ve tried snow foam and pump sprayer and find pump up sprayer is unmatched for results and economy. The only time you run into a problem is when the sun comes out but not even snow foam is going to save you and provide extra dwell time. Surfex HD is perfect to cover alloys in at 10%. 10 minute soak will get 80-90% of dirt off with a pressure washer rinse. Again corrosion inhibitors inside of it.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ just ordered their full line very excited to test and make a video

[@BreezeMW]

If someone asked me 1 product I have used that impressed me the most in all my years of detailing I would say hands down BH Touch-Less

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@BreezeMW amen. Couldn’t agree more. Thanks for watching sir.

[@TheHitmann069]

I'll stick with Bilt Hamber, because I haven't found any detailing products that come anywhere close and that also provide such fantastic value for money particularly here in England, but thanks for a great comparison video nonetheless. 💪🏼

[@FineDetailingAZ]

I couldn't agree more! BH does such an excellent job. To be fair, I do need to try the whole line.

[@pluggedawayzae861]

i urge you if you can (i noticed you were in England), try getting your hands on wash chems pro 100 touch less. ph 12 and super freakin good. I will say the one thing you have to worry about is the usage amount is not really cost effective. I think in a foam cannon they want you to use like 8.5-10oz...I didnt really like that but after seeing what it did to my customers vehicles OMG! and you can always experiment and use 7oz or 3oz because typically you dont need to fill your foam cannon to the max to cover an entire vehicle.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ thanks for watching

[@pigeonpoo1823]

You're gonna have a bunch of Brits on here screaming about how awesome this stuff is. Let me join in! Try using it through an ik multi and i use 30ml for excellent cleaning. Really economical. Glad you like it. we do have to apply LSP top-ups more often, but thats a non-issue for me.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@pigeonpoo1823 good thing I love the Brits! Totally agree bilt hamber is excellent. Hard to beat to be honest.

[@Bill-Dalton]

This is 100% true to my experience. I don't use the Bilt Hamber with a cannon; I use a sprayer to presoak, and I rinse off with a contact DIY Detail rinseless during winter months.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@Bill-Dalton excellent! I do need to try it with a sprayer. Us Americans love our foam haha

[@DownloaderVideo]

@@FineDetailingAZ I do the same but with an IK Foam Pro 12. 1 Gallon of water with 2.5 oz of Touchless is enough for my Tundra and very economical. To me Bilt Hamber products are the best. No BS, they just work.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ totally agree they are excellent. I really need to put it in a foamer too

[@davidboyce6427]

Thank you for this video because I am curious and will try the OPTI Decontamination rinseless 👍. Appreciate it

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@davidboyce6427 thanks for watching!

[@AmirAbdullah]

I’ve been using a high ph , low ph system to do the heavy lifting along side a presoak to get cleaner cars ans trucks before contact for some time now. I like the idea of something like a touchless a lot.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching Amir! It's touchless to a degree but most cases would probably require a contact wash.

[@AmirAbdullah]

@@FineDetailingAZ in most of my cases, I only need a rinseless. But I’ll use the 2ph rinseless from labocosmetica and Hydra from Phoenix EOD or Sublime from the Gloss shop as the actual contact rinseless. Sometimes I’ll use some of thr other popular rinseless options I have as well. But I like this method. Takes a little longer but I’m super satisfied with the results.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

love it. Thanks for commenting.

[@mikegiomi8324]

I’d like to hear your impression on Griots Garage Foaming Surface Wash vs some of these newer formulations. Griots has been my go-to for many, many years with a great price, a few sales each year to stock up, and the best customer service (you can talk to a human) from any company in any industry I have ever had.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

thanks for watching! griots foaming surface wash is my favorite prewash period. I use it as a pre wash for my maintenance wash simply spray it on, dwell and rinse then I use a slick soap for my contact wash. I haven't tried griots on a super dirty car but I need to. I don't find it to be the slickest soap that's why I use GSF or something like that for my contact wash. I have another video on my channel about pHN prewashes and test griots you should check it out!

[@mikegiomi8324]

@@FineDetailingAZ Thank you.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ my pleasure

[@pluggedawayzae861]

How i see touchless i also see rinseless. I think pan has said it best. They dont mean you dont rinse or you dont touch, but if theres heavy grime you can pre rinse. Regardless of the word "touchless" or "rinseless" I always pre rinse because you just never know sometimes. one of my absolute favorite touchless soaps thats super super freakin slept on is WashChems Pro 100. When I say that thing bites hard into dirt and removes it, it does. its pH level is 12 but regardless of its power I still pre rinse any vehicle i work on because i know this Nevada dust is no joke. Now could that tamper with the ph balance when foaming on to an already wet car? yea very much so. but with wash chems dilution being 4:1, i know that im using about 8.5 oz of product. is that really cost effective? not at all, but the pre rinse water isnt diluting that soap at all. Ik some people like to have the foam neutralized when hitting the panel, but for me If its not neutralized on the panel, my rinsing off will do that. or you can even use less pro 100 in your foam cannon making the soap a tad bit weaker and getting it to neutralize on the panel. ofc you'll sacrifice sudsing action.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching! Appreciate your support and understanding of our desert dust!

[@BXGreen_DrivewayDetails]

Really nice video Ryan! I haven’t tried either of those. I’ve been enjoying Detail Co hard wash and acidic wash. I would like to try Bilt Hammer someday.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks Becca! Detail co are also awesome I use them often.

[@johnsortino]

Thanks for the video. I only recently found your channel and am really enjoying your content. I had never been a believer in pre-wash chemicals, especially with an APC, as I've found they never really did much of anything. After using Bilt Hamber for the first time I was blown away. It's the first pre-wash, that, on a moderately to slightly dirty car (similar to yours in the video), where I could literally walk away, if I wanted to, after rinsing with DI water. I can't bring myself to do it, but certainly could in a pinch for time. I use an IK Foam Pro 12, so I don't have to worry about calculating PIR ratios as it relates to a foam cannon output connected to your pressure washer. I use 6L of water in the IK which leaves the perfect amount of space to then adequately pressurize the 6L to get around the entire car. 6L also allows for easy math where at 2% PIR (120 ml) is roughly 4 ounces for conversion purposes (low end of dilution ratio since my cars are rarely extremely dirty). I can get 2 washes out of this amount of chemical (so approximately 2oz / wash). I bought the 5L large container of Bilt Hamber Touch-Less (v1) which has lasted me 2 entire wash seasons. With v2, that I just purchased, the equivalent cleaning power requires just 0.5% PIR, so it gets even more cost effective (4x). One questions I would ask regarding your use is do you use the entire contents of your foam cannon on a single wash when calculating your cost / wash?

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching! I agree using it in a foamer would be easier then calculating the PIR but I did it once so I'm good now. I do use the entire contents. I calculated my price based on using 500ml water/4.5oz of product. A half cannon is enough for my whole car.

[@johnsortino]

@@FineDetailingAZ That's a half foam canon though with 4.5oz, so you're using 4.5oz / wash?

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ correct! Based on my PIR of 2% it calls for 4.5oz. It’s a lot but the product is cheap

[@johnsortino]

@@FineDetailingAZ Gotcha. I'm ending up at 2oz per wash with the IK w/o any additional variables (the pressure washer dilution). Regardless, the product is great. In fact, I live in the Midwest and was extremely surprised (and not expected) that BH also does a great job with salt removal as well (for those that are in a similar climate).

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ yeah might be even more economical to use the IK I agree. And yes I’ve heard that from friends with snowy climates.

[@Madcarcareproducts]

I’ve heard great things about touchless! Curious how it performs against many other touchless solutions like chem x!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

It's just excellent!

[@crazylancer1978]

I think what makes the difference is how you rinse with the pressure washer. For example, IMHO, You haven’t rinse enough the driver door with the pressure washer. Same for the bottom part. You haven’t rinse at all the bottom part to lift the dirt. The pressure washer is the only way to lift the dirt after the a 5 minutes dwell. I think you should pressure rinse more even and a bit closer to the surface. Maybe do 2 doors next to each others and pressure rinse both of them in an even way and closer to the surface. And maybe start rinsing from bottom to top at first. You rinse more on the hood and you can see the results on your towel. Could you do a second video to try it out? I think doing so, you might have different results? Cheers 🤘🏼

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching. I did go back off camera on rinse everything more in depth I just had to edit it down to keep the video length shorter. I rinsed both sides of the vehicle equally even though it wasn't all on camera. I won't redo the video but in the future I'll make sure to show the full rinse of each side as it seems to be important to people. In my humble opinion, bottom to top or top to bottom doesn't make much of a difference. As long as you get the pressure washer over the area that handles most of the work.

[@pklemm1]

I love Stars and Strip by Chem-X as a touch-less wash. The stuff works really well.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching! I've always heard great things about Chem X. I do need to learn more about the chemistry though, I knows is very high pH/Low pH. I'm not convinced we should be using this on a regular basis as it was designed for dirty semi trucks (which aren't usually ceramic coated). Again, I just don't know enough about it so I won't pass judgement.

[@BrillianceAutoSpa]

I like it too, but you end up using a ton of water in the rinse. Because of that, i prefer other pre-washes.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@BrillianceAutoSpa Great to know!

[@pklemm1]

@@BrillianceAutoSpaidk why you’d use anymore than a normal rinse? I snow foam it in and then rinse from bottom to top per their instructions.

[@pklemm1]

@@FineDetailingAZfor me up here in the northeast I use it in the winter when it’s too cold stand outside and do a contact wash. Using Stars and Stripes as a prewash then I can pull the car in my heat garage and do a rinse less wash for the contact wash. I would assume this should be use similar to Bilt Hamber touch less and Labocosmetica’s 3ph or 2ph system where you use high ph soap the a low ph soap. Chem-X system is just that. These type of soaps have their place. For me in the summer my car stays mostly pretty clean just needed a basic snow foam and handwash.

[@clintonmccool2330]

I usually wash my vehicle 2 to 3 times per week. It is ceramic coated (IGL Quartz+). Overall I'm happiest with Turtle Wax Pure Wash for a pH neutral pre-wash then contact wash. Foam, rinse, foam, rinse. This winter will be the first winter the car has seen, so I may do a pre-wash with something like Adam's Graphene Shampoo then finish with the Turtle Wax. Because of how often I wash, the Turtle Wax is extremely cost-effective. Recently picked it up for $15 for 64oz.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@clintonmccool2330 can’t argue with that price! I don’t really like shampoos either protection like the graphene I prefer pure shampoos and just add toppers manually.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@clintonmccool2330 could also try rinseless too that’s the most economical at 256:1.

[@deez023]

Touch-less is good, but when it comes to real dirt like we have in Baltics right now (-3 С, not much but the roads are super filthy and the cars have matte dark layer of dirt), you have to use a lot more product. I use almost 10% PIR right now to achive the same result as I do in summer with 2-4% PIR. My bottle is almost empty and I the price for 5l at 43 Eur is kinda expensive. I am thinking about buying Koch Vb, but people say it's is kinda harsh, because it is caustic

[@FineDetailingAZ]

WOW 10% is a lot. Are you using BH V2? They made the formula more concentrated so 2% was the max they suggested. I've head that about VB as well. That's the problem with a lot of these high pH cleaners is that they are very caustic. I would suggest trying LaboCosmetica Primus 2.0. It is an excellent pre cleaner and VDA certified so it's safe on your vehicle. You can also add it to a pump sprayer or foamer to get a more concentrated solution.

[@deez023]

@@FineDetailingAZ Thanks for recommendation. I have the same 1L bottle as you have, I believe 1L is V2. LaboCosmetica Primus 2.0 is kinda expensive (20 usd for 1l), I can get 5L of Koch Vb for 20 usd. I'll probaby wait for sale to get 5l of Touch-Less, I like that it has some rust inhibitors, but who knows if it really does something

[@deez023]

@@FineDetailingAZ I probably need to clarify that I use this 10% PIR solution outside at self service car wash, so it's probably not as effective in cold environment

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Totally understand on the price of Labo but again, you're paying for safety and effectiveness whereas the KCX might be too harsh.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for clarifying!

[@wescat2]

Great comparison video Ryan. All the Europeans in the Detail Discord all use a sprayer to apply BH Touchless. 20ml in 1000ml of water (easy 2% PIR) in a pump sprayer. They feel the foam cannon is wasteful. It's also worth noting BH Touchless can be hosed off if you don't have a pressure washer. You mentioned it being sugar based. Very environment friendly.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@wescat2 thanks Wes! Agreed I’ll have to try it in a pump sprayer for sure

[@Bruces-Garage]

@@wescat2 Thanks for sharing, Wes. I’ve never used it in my iK foam pro 12+, but I’ll give that a try. I’ve used it in my foam cannon with great success.

[@fox3shooter]

Yeah I am from UK, I always put my touchless BH in a pump sprayer, I have tested it and it performs exactly the same but far far less expensive, use a PW to rinse it off though. Edited to add, I agree the BH is unmatched it really is incredible how well it cleans I don’t know how the do it. On a protected car a weekly BH rinse is all I need.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@fox3shooter excellent thank you for sharing

[@NoobCannon1234]

Foam is a complete waste of product. I use touchless in a pump sprayer as above. 70ml to 1 us gallon is enough for 2-3 vehicles at 50-1. Just as effective and so much more economical

[@Bruces-Garage]

BH is definitely the real deal. Works really well and I’m looking forward to trying it in the iK foamier as a pre-wash. Great video.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@Bruces-Garage thank you! Totally agree. Lots of Brits in the comments saying to use in either foamer or pulp spray. Cheaper and may work better so I’ll be trying that.

[@rdeh1678]

Bilthamber I use a ton of there products which are all amazing

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@rdeh1678 agreed they are incredible. Will be trying more for sure

[@livinthedublife]

How does touch-less compare to primus 2.0?

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@livinthedublife that’s a great question I’ll compare the two side by side! Both are excellent

[@FrankoDetails]

i dig it…i know it was a test for 2 touch-less shampoos. but a pretreat with a regular shampoo vs a touch-less vs a decon shampoo is what i’m curious of. of course that’s all up to our learned experience and situations for needing each one . but what would you say to help those understand why they’d need a touch-less over the other 2

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@FrankoDetails thanks man…I’ve been toying with the idea of doing a test like this. I think decon and touchless shampoos are essentially the same thing. Most a higher pH. So could be worth testing the cleaning power of a good neutral shampoo like reset or pans vs a bilt hamber or labo. Or like diy style…foam rinse foam using their soap. Their soap is 8.5ph though so not totally neutral. I assume you mean neutral when you say regular shampoo.

[@FrankoDetails]

@ yes sir….reg/neutral but that also brings up the point of the higher ph’ers, could they not also be considered touch-less? specialty shampoos like descale’s, lifts, detail co acid and alk’s, pretty much do the work of pre-cleaning but what makes a touch-less special 😜

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ I agree all very similar. BH does have secondary surfactants which help to encapsulate the dirt same with diy too

[@keithblacknell957]

@@FrankoDetails no comparison between a normal shampoo as a presoak/wash. Touch-less knocks it out the park, it's the closest you'll come to a non contact wash.

[@FrankoDetails]

@@keithblacknell957 ahh ok, so just way more surfactants or cleaning power 👍🏽 … i just live in an area that really doesn’t need the use of that kind of prewash…that i’ve personally seen

[@derrickabare9986]

Im just not a fan of touchless. If you are in a city/suburbs i get it but for me im in vt . We have like 3 seasons summer , winter and mud . Alot of dirt roads and dirt or whatever driveways. If the vehicle is coated then sure , i use gyeon, but if it's not i not going to over think it . Paint most generally is not in great shape anyway . Would need more steps depending on what the customers are looking for .

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching, not sure what you mean but thanks for watching.

[@derrickabare9986]

@FineDetailingAZ what I mean is that if the vehicle isn't dripping with mud , dirt or whatever like 90% of the cars in my state are , I'm not going to bother with prewashing foam unless it's coated . Even then alot will come off with pw anyway . In cities you have alot more road film /dust and the like of which prefoaming /touchless would make more sense.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ ah yes that makes sense for sure.

[@SoCleenDetailing]

Great video Ryan! Really need to try the BH line I've heard great things but that PIR % makes my brain hurt a little lol 🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@SoCleenDetailing lol same. All the Brits are saying just use a foamer or pump sprayer then it’s just 2% times the container amount. So for 50oz foamer you would do 1oz bilt and done!

[@SoCleenDetailing]

@FineDetailingAZ oh yea that's easy enough! 👍🏼

[@daveezrin1896]

I got toichless but haven't tried it yet. Getting salty here in northeast so I will soon. Can it be used as a contact wash as well? Foam on then rinse then foam again?

[@FineDetailingAZ]

They don't mention that on their website but after your first foam and rinse I suppose you could try. I would imagine it's not that slick though.

[@daveezrin1896]

​@@FineDetailingAZyea probably. I only have 1 foam cannon the mjjc so if I had some left after the first foam maybe I'll mix in some gsf on the 2nd one for the lubrication.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ probably fine! Also all the Brits have been saying foaming bilt is a waste and we should use a pump sprayer or pump foamer. We use less product so you could try it that way

[@shahnulislam9897]

Thanks a lot for showing that white towel on the screen... I can see I have to clean my screen lol

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@shahnulislam9897 lol thanks for watching!

[@shahnulislam9897]

@@FineDetailingAZ Test was very thorough and practical. Thank you.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ thanks for the kind words and not roasting me like some others lol

[@JC-tm6wh]

Are these the same as rinseless ?

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching, these are not the same as rinseless wash. These are pre-cleaners for heavily soiled vehicles.

[@HarborProShine]

Solid Content as Always ! I'm in the BH camp and Touchless is a Reference Pre-wash for me at this point. I've mostly transitioned to running it in an IK Foam Pro 12, or Axel Foamer, at 1.5-3% PIR. Easier to calculate dilution/PIR and IME has been much more economical this way. Looking forward to future vids!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Gosh everyone keeps saying use it a pump sprayer totally will from now on! Thank you for the support!

[@CCMINC]

Good information but in the video you never rinsed the lower section of the doors with the pressure of the pressure washer on the optimum side. You just sprayed the upper section and let the water run down to remove the optimum. Going by my only experience with a touchless wash you need to rinse from the bottom up and you need the pressure of the pressure washer to remove some of the dirt (chem-x process). Now we do not know if you did this same exact process on the BH side because it only shows you rinsing the hood. I think you gave us a good idea of how to compare these two touchless wash products but I do think better results would have been achieved with the optimum if you actually used the pressure of the pressure washer over the whole entire vehicle and this is just my opinion. I ordered a gallon of the Optimum before I watched this video and it will be here Tuesday. I'll perform my own wash with the optimum and I may very well get the same results, we'll see.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching, I edited the videos to shorten the length, but I rinsed them both equally as I always want to ensure a fair test. I think on the OPT side I cut at 11:08? I did one more once over off camera. I also don't ever get super close with the pressure washer and I use a 40 degree nozzle the test was the same in my opinion. Rinsing from the bottom makes zero difference other then leaving the product on the surfaces for a matter of seconds longer... also just my opinion an experience and you're entitled to yours as well!

[@jefferrrson1x]

@@CCMINC that’s great insight. Lol

[@CCMINC]

I gotcha, I'll try optimum using the same process I've used with chem-x and I'll let you know how it comes out. Good information and I subscribed to your channel. Thanks ​@@FineDetailingAZ

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ looking forward to hearing back!

[@AMI_Detail]

@@CCMINC Bottom up rinsing is an excellent way to keep track of where you've been. After following this method with Chem-X Stars and Stripes, I actually find myself using it for many rinsing situations. One other thing that I find helpful... Do all the vertical surfaces around the whole vehicle and then when rinsing the roof, hood, and trunk is the best time to switch to a top-down rinse as an "insurance" rinse.

[@Matthew-2206]

Was excited to see the new Optimum Touchless in action, but disappointed with the test itself. 2:10 basically "I'm not going to follow the manufacturer's instructions. Hopefully that's fair" It also doesn't appear that you really rinsed as thoroughly in the lower panels as you did with the Bilt Hamber. The places you did rinse thoroughly were mostly clean and the lowers where you didn't weren't clean. I know you mentioned you did another onceover at 11:08 but we as a viewer can't see that, it just looks like you were walking away to put down the pressure washer. I do appreciate the price per L/oz breakdown, that is incredibly helpful imo. I use the Bilt Hamber (v1) from a pump sprayer and I find it to be amazing. It seems to be in a class of its own. I did find having to calculate the PIR to be annoying which is why I chose to use a pump sprayer instead of a foam cannon, but at the end of the day you only have to do it once and then you know for every time moving forward. I didn't really think the Optimum product would be better but was hoping to see a more "fair" test. Either way, I still appreciate you showcasing the products and doing it outside. This is also helpful for a majority of the population who doesn't have a climate controlled detailing space.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for watching. The only instructions I didn't follow were to pre-rinse the car. I never pre rinse as I fundamentally believe that can cause damage to paint by pushing the dirt across the surface. So, because of that belief I didn't pre rinse either side so in my opinion that was a fair comparison. As most viewers attention span is quite short avg watch duration 6-7 min I try and trim video where I can. I can assure you I sprayed both sides equally. I did walk away to set the pressure washer down then I noticed some soap leaking out of door jamb so I walked back to rinse the lower again (off camera). While I want to capture every single detail on camera for people it can become a super long video.

[@hawke525]

Is that Touch-Less V2 or V1?

[@FineDetailingAZ]

V2!

[@JK-rh1rv]

Great video and thanks for sharing. Maybe do a compare with BH vs CarPro Descale.

[@JK-rh1rv]

Sorry, maybe try CarPro Reset vs BH

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@JK-rh1rv I can try that! Reset is closer to neutral. I've actually been planning Reset vs Pans shampoo as I think they are VERY similar!

[@goindetailing]

Thanks for the video Ryan! I got some BH Touch-Less a few weeks ago but haven't tried it yet. Your results certainly have me looking forward to giving it a go though. Though I'm glad I've waited since the consensus in the comments seems to be use it in an IK foamer instead of a foam cannon. I'll have to give that a shot.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Agreed! Sounds way more economical in the foamer or pump sprayer.

[@keithblacknell957]

@@goindetailing It works just as well at 1% pir and you can also use it at that dilution in a pump sprayer.

[@goindetailing]

@@keithblacknell957 Thanks for the suggestion Keith! My car generally isn't super dirty so 1% should be more than enough. Looking forward to giving it a try.

[@AntEloftheHouseofEl]

You will be hard pressed to beat any of the Bilt Hamber products frankly. I have used most of them and they kick the arse of all of the competition i have tried. And thats a LOT! Its pretty much all i use these days!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@AntEloftheHouseofEl I’m starting to see that as well.

[@AntEloftheHouseofEl]

@FineDetailingAZ I think the reason for this is that, rather thsn being a company buying either off-the-shelf products to brand as their own, or products developed for them specifically, Bilt Hamber are first and foremost a specialist chemical company, with their own in-house scientists and labs.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@AntEloftheHouseofEl I love that they are great. I’ll have a full bilt hamber video in a couple of weeks. Stay tuned and don’t for get to subscribe!

[@AntEloftheHouseofEl]

@FineDetailingAZ already subscribed and I will be keeping an eye out for that drop!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ thank you!

[@wendellthompson6470]

Great JOB BRO.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thanks for the support!

[@AllenReinecke]

I use 2% PIR BH Touchless when the dirt is really bad. It's awesome. In fact, I used it this afternoon. The Camry was crusty white all over from the week of Lake Effect snow in PA. Not washed in two weeks. Today, it was in the low 40's with some sun (T-shirt weather!), and the snow was melting. Time to wash... BH Touchless foamed on and rinsed with the pressure washer (Bottom up!). Carpro Reset foam contact wash (1 bucket, multiple wash pads). Rinse. Blow dry, followed by a towel and rinseless spray to get the remaining drips and clean behind the doors, trunk etc. After the BH, the car looked really clean already, and just needed a contact wash to restore the beading around the lower half of the car. BH works really well up in the wheel wells, no scrubbing needed. Pan's 8-year coating is holding up very well!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@AllenReinecke thanks for watching Allen! Glad to hear you’re enjoying pans 8 year!

[@RossT551]

Touchless vs Primus 2.0.. that would be a good head to head.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@RossT551 sold! I will do that for sure. I love testing pre washes. I use primus all the time. Thank you for watching

[@RossT551]

@@FineDetailingAZ Every video I've seen of Primus I'm impressed. When my Touchless runs out I think i'll go with Primus. Looking forward to the head to head.. You might just make the decision for me 🤣

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Hope I can help! Also, it never has to be final you can always switch back and forth.

[@RossT551]

@@FineDetailingAZ Of course.. Always nice to find the one that works best though of course.. Have you tried YumCars? UK brand have some very good products.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Have not! They are coming to thor so I'm sure I'll try it eventually.

[@aldaley3537]

The more alkaline product will clean much better by encapsulating and remove the surface dirt. With the dilution, pH of the Bilt Hamber may have dropped closer to 10.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Yup, agreed. Normally I'd want to compare similar pH products in a video like this but OPT says it's a "Touchless" wash so I wanted to compare to the best Touchless on the market in Bilt Hamber.

[@michaelhalstead64]

Helpful. Thanks.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thank you for watching, glad it was helpful!

[@מדינט]

Bilt Hamber Touchless is good, but it's not very friendly to sealant and wax

[@FineDetailingAZ]

I agree it can diminish those lighter protections for sure. Thank you for watching!

[@derek3142]

Great shirt

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@derek3142 thank you! Save them all!

[@JasonStAmand]

When using a touchless product, pressure washing is actually what is doing the cleaning. The water pressure is in essence doing the “contact” portion of the wash. I read that you don’t believe that doing a bottom up rinse changes much, but by ensuring that you get good coverage with the pressure during the rinse is the point of it. You want to be close to the paint. Using an electric pressure washer, 1.2-2 gpm at 1000 psi and a 40 degree nozzle is pretty safe to get nice and close which will greatly increase your outcome when using touchless wash. The chemical by itself does not clean. It needs the pressured rinse to actually remove contaminates.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@JasonStAmand thanks for watching. I agree with everything you said. Bottom up makes zero difference as long you are getting coverage on all areas of the paint. As some are highly upset I didn’t show me fully spraying all panels on camera I will show it all next time and just make a longer video.

[@detailqueen]

Nice!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@detailqueen thank you for watching!

[@johnnyv5995]

With all due respect, in your palm tree & cactus environment these products are kind of useless. I'm in Montreal, Canada and use BiltHamber only for my winter washes(100% touchless) which are far & few in between(once a month Dec. - March) and it works well at removing caked on salt & grime.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Ahhh so your dirt is the only dirt worthy of Bilt Hamber? Got it. Nowhere on bilt hamber's website does it say "this product should only be used for salt and and grime and once a month." While we don't have snow here we do have excessive dust and dirt. The purpose of a touch-less style wash is meant to be a safer alternative to just rinsing the vehicle. The surfactants encapsulate the contamination regardless of what it is...salt, dirt, or dust. I realize it might be dark and cold where you live and your attitude might reflect that but no need to take it out on my palm trees and cacti ; )

[@jeffc6832]

I wish my cars were only that dirty after 4 weeks. 😂 I've found when using "Touchless" type prewashes that my pressure washing technique can have a big impact on the effectiveness. I make sure to angle the wand, manage distance and overlap passes as required to get off as much dirt as possible. Doing that makes a pretty substantial difference. BH Touch-Less is amazing and I think it's very safe relative to it's pH and cleaning performance, but I'm hoping that OPT Touchless Decon will be something I can use as a more conservative/gentle option. OPT's marketing and descriptions leaves something to be desired, but I think the "touchless maintenance wash" aspect of this is intended for very lightly dirty vehicles (ideally coated) vehicles on a very regular basis (probably weekly). If the dirt is heavier than that, or you need to do a deep clean decon wash, it requires agitation. BH Touch-Less on the other hand is intended to tackle heavier dirt, salt and grime and rely less on agitation. I'll be doing my own tests here soon, with some serious MN winter grime and salt. I'm trying to dial in my winter wash process and want to see how the products I have stack up and how I can best utilize them.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Yup to be honest, BH is higher pH but it's safer so I would have no problem using it more regularly. I think there are better options then OPT for pre wash. Labo Primus 2.0 is perfect and VDA cert. I did hit the panels off camera to make it a fair test for sure.

[@Wes23Sut]

I know it’s not the point of the video, but that active pressure washer just ain’t it.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@Wes23Sut I couldn’t agree more bruh. I have the 2.0 and it’s serves its purpose but I’ll get the kranlze in the new year. Ready to be a big boy.

[@Wes23Sut]

@@FineDetailingAZ lol my fault I meant the foam cannon, but I agree on both. I have the active 2.0 as well and I’m about to call Matt 😂

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@ whoops lol. Yeah the pressure washer whine is too loud for me. Yes the cannon is just okay. Not really any innovation. I already sold it. If you buy on OG feel free to use my link below helps the channel brotha.

[@WolfAbarth]

The should have called it 'Optimum No Touch'

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@WolfAbarth indeed

[@isaacstacoify]

Doug Heffernan has a detailing channel? Sub'd!

[@FineDetailingAZ]

That's right...the king of queens himself! Thanks for the sub. My name is Ryan!

[@javigarcia3823]

👍🏽

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@javigarcia3823 thank you!

[@Murph97]

Bilt hamber> everyone else....

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@Murph97 preach!

[@drive2siva]

U had me worried with optimum. I just bought 5L of touch-less bilt hamber for thanksgiving 😂

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Bilt hamber ALL DAY. Thanks for watching.

[@michaelhalstead64]

First like second comment. Boom.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thank you for the support!

[@WolfAbarth]

You should never be scrubbing the paint on a car, no matter that product you use.

[@FineDetailingAZ]

@@WolfAbarth totally agree.

[@MrCoiledcobra]

Great vid broham

[@FineDetailingAZ]

Thank you brochaco