New Path of Exile League blows Diablo 4 out of the water

Why can't Blizzard do this?
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[@user-baev]

PoE had so little competition that they decided to create PoE 2 to have something to compete against.

[@garrytherat4793]

What competition? Diablo 4 has 20x players than PoE. It even has more players on steam and 95% of players play on battlenet

[@user-baev]

@@garrytherat4793 yea, for 7 days after league launch. Then it self-destroys for the rest of the league.

[@CCSplinters]

​@@garrytherat4793 they had more players, yes. But it's like comparing McDonald's with millions of branches worldwide to 5-star michelin restaurants. It's the quality bro.

[@8SnazzY8]

@@garrytherat4793 HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@czento9302]

​@@garrytherat4793 i looked steam charts at this moment both have around 5k idk when did you find that fucking 20x player, at launch ?

[@An_ml_93]

but D4 devs told us this is impossible, it took them 6 months to add more inventory slots

[@piotrmajewski5978]

Which is pathetic. Cause even Last Epoch has tons of big stash tabs. I don't know how people not getting paid for marketing can defend 2024 Blizzard.

[@jonathanholm1262]

I keep hearing that it is a base code issue and the loading of all items, and I just think about my 40 lost epoch tabs completely filled out... I mean they can only say it so much..

[@Barrett_Jesus]

That say it's impossible because they are lazy and don't like to work.

[@higherlearning9386]

@@jonathanholm1262yeah, coding something on one engine could be 100x harder on another engine. GGG has some genius devs while blizzard gets by with devs fresh out of college and old devs that couldn’t get a better job elsewhere

[@X_Romes_X]

And still no „save armoury „ option…

[@Woelock]

the difference between passion project and soul draining corporate slop

[@infantryleadtheway8174]

Diablo devs to the unemployment line soon.

[@TheAzrai]

The devs at Blizzard would be too embarrassed to even apply for a job at GGG. That employment history should get a good laugh.

[@charlespanache7047]

Not all of their devs are bad. I'm sure there is some real talent waiting to be realized.

[@JakeRalston-w2t]

the difference between natural talent and diversity quotas

[@masonhales]

Grinding Gear Games was acquired by Chinese tech company Tencent in May 2018.

[@ooVIDAR]

D4: We have one new class POE: Hold my chaos orb

[@sal1764]

You got to understand, this was live an hour after Diablo 4 announcement, they did not let it slide and cooked them right on the spot

[@user-hf6bt4ge4z]

​@@MrDudoeshuh ? Which ones

[@staskozak8118]

@@MrDudoes, hahaha

[@TheSaucySensay]

@@MrDudoesany examples?

[@MVPiz]

@@MrDudoes Fanboys like you are literally the only reason Blizz hasn't gone bankrupt yet over the past 10 years

[@allstar_]

Im actually hyped for this. This is incredible! it looks f*ckin sick

[@Pu1seMusic]

Blizzard: "We can't figure out how to add more stash tabs to Diablo 4 :(" GGG: "We put a town builder in our game because we felt like it." How embarrassing.

[@Grashnook]

Ultimately it feels like Blizzard might be hampered by the design of their game being bad on a fundamental level, i.e. low modularity and customisation options. The entire way the game works and is built is inherently awful and limiting. If the issue is with the foundations (the engine, the way the game is fundamentally built, etc.) then there's truly little they can do.

[@fredasd7017]

few days and then youl cry about how basic and shit the "base building" wich is just gona be hideout building.

[@SilversTaurus]

​@@fredasd7017 suuuuurre...

[@marekw7562]

@@fredasd7017 but city builder is just a part of the update... there is plenty to do hope you find a lot of fun this league

[@markvarga2325]

Town buildin sh1t doesnt belong to arpgs go play civ 6 or age of empires if u wanna town manage or go play simcity

[@azureth9544]

"Southern hemisphere of the skill tree". Never have I heard more accurate depiction of the game.

[@absinthe489]

Passives are subject to Continental drift

[@PandaCheeks]

​@absinthe489 your mom is subject to continental drift...

[@vegitohaze2081]

@@PandaCheeksyour mom causes the continental drift.

[@falsnamae3511]

@@absinthe489 Actually true, with how they shuffle passive clusters a couple nodes to the left or right every league.

[@ahuras238]

I hope they add lat/lon in the corner of the screen to show where the cursor is on the passive tree as a joke effect

[@vi8799]

I like that GGG isn't afraid to immerse players in complex mechanics that take time to learn. In D4 it’s the opposite, there’s nothing to delve into, the authors consider their players stupid.

[@rafakal9823]

Because they are

[@frankwilliams4445]

I don't like either games. But in all honestly, this level of convolution is not a positive thing.

[@genewood4489]

This game isn't even an actual arpg anymore. It's just a bunch of leagues with overly complicated garbage to blind you from the fact that for years you've been playing the same story, the same skills, the same meta classes and the same items each season. PoE has been on rinse and repeat for years and their fan base is just as brain dead as others to see that.

[@frankwilliams4445]

@@genewood4489 I could not agree more my friend. You summed it up PERFECTLY!

[@EC-dz4bq]

@@genewood4489 You say it's a bad thing, that they successfully hid the grind?

[@wolfen8622]

Diablo: we added a new class PoE: that’s cute

[@IamShanee]

does the new class also cost $60?

[@lolimmune]

Poe: We added a new game.

[@noetic8354]

@@lolimmune for free

[@Gandydast]

warden new class too XD

[@raminol8110]

@@noetic8354 Yes, just buy a few tabs for $100 . Asmonbald already talked about this: it's easier for you to pay $5 20 times and harder to pay $100 once. Free games are the most costly. And telling me that in-game purchases aren't compulsory. Don't even try. If you wanna compares games - do it unbiased.

[@jahithber1430]

The only competition of POE is POE 2

[@Yonhondainove]

Torchlight infinite is gonna be poe light someday

[@Zemlja_je_ravna]

Last Epoch is like little baby to PoE, and Diablo 4 is an abortion.

[@iFullgogo]

Not everybody has 6 hours a day to play video games, that’s why Poe is not the only arpg choice thanks god

[@Sindamsc]

​@@iFullgogoI play around 10 hours a week nowadays, mostly on weekends, PoE is still my most played game, I come back to it every league and complete 40/40 if I enjoy the league

[@gust_lucere5558]

it will be a fun fight

[@BrotherDoesStuff]

They explained a whole games worth of content in 45 minutes, Meanwhile Blizzard does a 2 hour live stream about 1 new class

[@noobkaka567]

Because blizzard don't have much to talk about at the end of the day.

[@verzeihturncoat27]

Blizzard: we carefully crafted a addon GGG: these league we just throw our random ideas together and see how it plays out GGG! GGG! GGG!

[@wanderer5766]

@@verzeihturncoat27 severe copium overdose, eh friendo?

[@verzeihturncoat27]

@@wanderer5766 So you are a Blizzard stan, got it ;p

[@Viciou761]

@@wanderer5766 🤡

[@dflameX]

Diablo walked, so that POE could blast off at the speed of light into another galaxy.

[@Tecolote41]

You can accomplish great things when you and/or your company isn't a greedy, soulless husk.

[@GroundDragonIII]

We got Poe 2 before Poe 2.

[@quadcarnage8462]

Tis but a taste, not a cockroach. 🤣

[@DarthTach]

Well, we are building a town that'll probably be destroyed in POE2

[@malcovich_games]

@@DarthTach if it's blown up, we'll be angry and want to get our hands on the boss that did it. If it's somehow a thriving city despite what tends to happen in this genre, we'll be like "I BUILT THIS!"

[@candy6852]

​@@DarthTach kingsmarch is a hub in poe2

[@placidopenitente5434]

Kingsmarch is the ACT 3 hub for POE2 btw. So according to POE2 lore your POE1 character helped built Kingsmarch.

[@KodyCQYep]

Yeah that's a really nice touch. I hope they do more of that kind of stuff leading up to PoE2's launch.

[@alextygesen3101]

This league is heavily lore influenced it seems

[@maguszero]

Act 4, but yeah basically. It's quite cool!

[@banishedbr]

yes, once i saw the kalguur guys iin POE2 i thought WHEN WILL THIS HAPPEN IN POE1, and voi la next league the thing happens =D

[@KingTCasper]

That's so cool dude... 😢😊

[@Sadtv12]

The raw productivity of 1 GGG dev is more than literally 500 Blizzard devs... its nuts

[@dmen0563]

Blizzard is just inept

[@Titi-pu2hl]

same for WoW, a few private servers devs in their basement beat SOD

[@Scott74921]

Blizzard struggling with their DEI Department putting incompetent staffs into the company and pay them just for their colors/pronounces lmfao

[@faby4690]

Keep in mind that acording to some trustworthy sources there are 8-10 devs working on the expansions, the rest is working on poe2

[@KermitSolo]

Too many hands in one pot, all it is.

[@ArchonPlaysGames]

Someone said, "D4 devs in suicide watch." FUCKING KILLED ME LMFAO.

[@moritzlehmann1264]

mathil said it best "the other game gets a green monk"

[@MrSkeezymak]

PoE streamers make a living off of PoE, they will always put down the competition. Bottom line is D4 gets more players than LE and PoE combined sadly.

[@luisbnvz3111]

@@MrSkeezymak We have the 2 best ARPG games in the market ( PoE and PoE2 LOL) you can keep the player base and the new mounts and 1 boss 70$ expansion no worries

[@wanderer5766]

@@MrSkeezymak go be a troll somewhere else, mrskeevymak

[@seanduncan9722]

​@@MrSkeezymakCategorically false D4 lost 99.9% of player base since launch. That is not a made up number.

[@MrSkeezymak]

@@seanduncan9722 Last season hit 40k players on steam alone. Most people play on battlenet and console gamepass, so the game is putting up big numbers.

[@OhSubzi]

Diablo 4 : 1,5hrs livestream about art and lore with 5 mins of gameplay GGG: 1hr of gameplay, new changes, items, reworks and a whole new game in a game as a season mechanic lmao

[@ButcherParry]

Im worried im going to get really into settlers only for it to go away forever

[@Mark-sd4hv]

GGG: We heard you like POE so we made a new POE and put it in POE so you can POE while you POE

[@lanmandragoran8337]

@@ButcherParry I'm thinking exactly the same thing.

[@evylrune]

If it goes well it will stay in some way.

[@friendlygiant1507]

That's what happens when you replace devs with diversity hires that all came from art school. lol

[@bobsmith983]

After 15 years of gaming, PoE is the only game that makes me excited like a little kid again every time a new league comes out

[@lanmandragoran8337]

Well, not every time. The last one made me wonder if it'd be good, then hate it almost immediately. Needed some QoL. No, walk to EVERY GRAVE to place your 64 coffins....fuck right off, give me a minimap to place them from. This league and Affliction? Absolutely. I loved affliction league even though people broke the economy with their abyss bullshit, it was a FUN league. This looks like its going to be the most fun I've seen yet.

[@Buggolious]

@@lanmandragoran8337 graveyard crafting was so fucking boring but so strong, which is not very good. Affliction was just juicing every map which I like even though i didn't have time to play it that much

[@DarkXessZ]

@@lanmandragoran8337 not every time, but... more so than Diablo ever did.

[@DlES-IRAE]

After 10 years of PoE, I still (sometimes) get really hyped! This is one of those times!

[@taylon5200]

Same. Some seasons are hit and miss, but most are like "holy shit, I CANNOT wait to log in!"

[@bombasticbadassbrigade3552]

As a New Zealander - this not only makes me proud, but also I find it hilarious to hear the New Zealand accent juxtaposed against Asmongold's voice.

[@dimlockfork5170]

me nz player me not good

[@Warlock8ZERO]

POE: Releases 5 full expansions worth of content as a free patch. D4: Releases a new horse cosmetic, reskins some bosses from the campaign, oh, and you need to pay $70 for it.

[@d.d5619]

lmfao

[@velfaern1716]

Look D4 is a mess in a lot of aspects but this isn’t accurate. Their monetization for the cosmetic shop is a scam, but it’s JUST cosmetics. PoE makes you pay cash for inventory and stash slots. D4 gives out free cosmetics and even though their stash is busted to hell, they’re not charging extra when they get their head out of their asses long enough to increase the size of it.

[@pliyo]

Only 70????!! I’ll buy 2!

[@obitum]

tbf, poe sell a lot of stuff in the cash shop, including stash size. Im surprised greedy blizzard tho didn't add spell mtx seeing how good they sell like candy on poe.

[@KimParkkinen]

@@obitum The difference is that D4 is a fully priced game whilst PoE is free (though I view it as more like a ~20 dollar game in stash tabs from stash tab sale, which happen about every three weeks.) If PoE tried to get all of their income just from supporter packs and cosmetics I doubt they'd make nearly as much money so they kinda have to have *something* that people want/need to pay for on top of those and they could've gone in waaaay worse direction with that decision than they did.

[@Samuur88]

Then there is this small company called Blizzard still doesn't know how to fix a single chest in town for the last 10 years

[@gthakur17]

Hey they have to load the entire inventory in memory of every player. You think thats easy

[@bmem1993]

what? I think your joke is like... 3 seasons out of date my guy

[@janskoric7810]

@@bmem1993 its depressing you lasted 3 more seasons with that hot garbage lol

[@bmem1993]

@@janskoric7810 yeah I hate when things get better, I take my first impression as gospel and live by it forever! Seems reasonable to me. S1 was bad S2 was fun S3 was trash quit after 2 weeks S4 was awesome only just stopped playing it and S5 is just around the corner

[@user-vv3zc9il9k]

they still cant fix NO ARENA in HS for Russian region. They said its some bug

[@graysaltine6035]

The one chatter asking if you can date the villagers didn't look like he was joking.

[@plushrei5926]

Next league mechanic: date simulator with npcs

[@realranger6297]

It's one of those guys you see with all the emotes in their name and at the end of everything they say.

[@TheTuttle99]

You mean these chats say anything other than laughing emojis?

[@theshadowcult]

Nothing wrong with that, a lot of people love stardew valley.

[@jimb.598]

haha

[@SanjuroSan]

As someone who has only played D2 and never played PoE, just seeing this footage alone, this looks really really fun.

[@MrHoldredge]

there is a bit to learn at the start but it is a great game.

[@fodedordegatas1081]

Dude I am a old school D2 player too, just play POE is fuckng great

[@Fighterfan69]

POE is the true successor to D2 IMO. Why I started so late? Not sure. Last years Exilecon was so intiruiging that I started playing POE. Glad I did. POE2 looks so good. I might be in the minority though but I love that they are focusing on skill synergies than spamming 1 button builds. They still can be done in POE2 so.....

[@GridicA]

It's free too. As a D2 players, I highly recommend PoE.

[@bennym1956]

Make sure you have a highend PC to play it and POE 2 ! Crashes !

[@MrBloodshot]

I've never really understood the hype for POE, but seeing people show this much love for a game and seemingly passionate devs who listen in these times, I've got to try it.

[@OniJakuuX]

As a fellow gamer, pls try it, i regret waiting 2 much till i started ( a tip : dont stress on what to learn, just enjoy a deep game)

[@blenga2]

You will understand the hype for PoE when you play it. That's what happened to me. And now I have 1k hours in it (and barely scratching the surface of the game). Welcome aboard, Exile 👍

[@phantomberzerk9486]

​@@OniJakuuXisn't the game too grind heavy, I tried it long ago. There were people who did new game+? Like 10 times or something.

[@MrBloodshot]

@@OniJakuuX Downloading it now👍. That's the plan. I like having a loose aesthetic idea and taking everything step by step.

[@gleipnirrr]

@@phantomberzerk9486 grindy = having something to work towards, rather than repeating shit over and over.

[@yakoobski]

This is what happens when you put all your budget into the game instead of the cinematic trailer. 🤣

[@doncheto4825]

and Pop stars for marketing

[@narbwow8168]

What happens? You produce a Mobile game time-gated city builder sim?

[@wulfred3681]

​@@narbwow8168 + 12 different mechanics

[@velfaern1716]

Terrible graphics, bloated gameplay mechanics, and limited inventory you have to pay out of pocket for to unlock? Pass

[@wulfred3681]

@@velfaern1716 ok .. play diablo u deserved that masterpiece

[@schlafN]

D4: "Look, I made fire". Poe: "Look, I made a nuclear reactor"

[@Dibesk1]

10:00 asmon smiling honestly like a little child made my day

[@nidavelliir]

Meanwhile Diablo 4 season 5 requires all the devs' combined brain power to code some stupid shit that comes out of the ground

[@ReiMiiz]

They made it better from the launch, gotta give them that but the amount of content cant be compared to poe.

[@scottpilgrim2]

All the talent there is gone now so they need 200 people to do what one would.

[@nguyentandung42]

@@scottpilgrim2what replacing all of your employees with diversity hire do

[@grimmow187]

its crazy how poe is free and they still dare to ask money for d4

[@Kaiser333333]

@@ReiMiizI’ve been playing POE for over 10 years though, it’s like comparing WOW to a new mmorpg, they can never compete with the backlog of content

[@user-ui2ge2zo1d]

Me: "I'm bored of POE, I don't like how bad melee is, trading is so annoying, crafting is basically endgame gacha pulls" Chris Wilson: "Have I got the season for you, bro!"

[@Azurech]

It is directed by Mark, not Chris anymore :)

[@CCSplinters]

Mark: "Well...."

[@Leonhart_93]

Those were my exact thoughts. It's really hard to keep a melee focused build in this game, all the best abilities are ranged aoe attacks.

[@overlordsmashalot3891]

they play their own game. Then you get shit like "I was annoyed trading for a catalyst, so we added a currency exchange", imagine.

[@user-ui2ge2zo1d]

@@Azurech Oh didn't know, haven't kept up. The only thing I still have a big problem with is losing xp on death because it keeps me from pushing characters past 95-96 (incentivizes you to play easy/safe content for tons of hours on end, which is BAD, I shouldn't lose 10-20 maps worth of xp if I die ONCE).

[@taizzle70]

THIS IS NOT EVEN POE2???? Holy shit diablo is donzo.

[@JustSomeChatter]

I'm so happy right now bro. I could play D4 on the side too.

[@BevetbreizhBreizatao]

It's not even funny the intergalactic gap that exists between GGG and Blizscam...

[@1div2agent74]

At least blizzard can come up with innovative ways of making the game difficult besides just throwing in a bunch of one shot mechanics 😂

[@cuddlingfemboysirl]

@@1div2agent74 somebody didnt bother with resistances and got onetapped, uh oh

[@SD78]

We've got the sequel coming up, but in the meantime here's a major expansion!

[@iFullgogo]

Still years away

[@lanmandragoran8337]

@@iFullgogo If PoE1 keeps going like this, I can wait for PoE2 for decades, man.

[@johncenashi5117]

@@iFullgogo year*

[@user-tl1sz5xs7l]

​@@iFullgogoit letrally releases next year

[@JustSomeChatter]

Oh My God. I'm so happy right now!

[@atlane01]

i love when devs just straight up say " hey we need to see if this is a good idea so if you hate it TELL US"

[@DustinHarms]

I love how Asmon can't even get a word in through like 45 mins of announcements, it was just BACK to BACK, NON-STOP. Dude was just shellshocked :D

[@Juanbadday]

Im not sure what was so exciting just seems like a age of empires mod for poe

[@J.B.1982]

@@Juanbadday You don't see how this is a massive novel expansion of gameplay for this ARPG formula? This is not Age of Empire. This adds a significant new dimension to the game loop / game play

[@DustinHarms]

@@J.B.1982 Pretty sure the dude is just trolling, always expect it in Asmon's comments

[@tracev9381]

don't see him actually speechless very often lmao

[@J.B.1982]

@@DustinHarms fair enough. Lol

[@guyfromdubai]

That melee conceptual change towards "you deal the damage, you get rewarded" is actually going to get me to play again

[@kresnikful]

This is like the one game I don’t feel ripped off paying for micro transactions.

[@calingoretsrof8471]

the only game i actualy get supporter packs for.

[@Thezamary]

A lot of things are extremely overpriced and buying anything outside of a sale or support pack is just burning money, but i still never feel bad spending money on PoE, especially when they release shit like this repeatedly.

[@hootwoot2189]

Brookie

[@CG-my1zr]

Currency, maps, fragments, and unique tabs are honestly the must haves for convenience for PoE and these on sale for stash tabs on the same day is worth it, and it's still less than buying D4. I bought a lot of skill effects and a skin because GGG deserves it

[@chrislee369]

Then you are lost

[@bobsmith983]

Just remember, PoE players get new mechanics and changes like this every 3 months for free and it doesn't include a $40 price tag like some other ARPGs...

[@gabrielripw0lf293]

for sure. Imagine paying 70 - 100$ for a game just to release "playable content " with money cuz they didn't make enough.

[@satanicrazgo616]

tbh this is a big expansion its not something we get every league (4months now). But yeah ggg spoils us :D

[@coldflames1D1A5]

Im new and im playing this after

[@gabrielripw0lf293]

@@satanicrazgo616 not like the other company, new content locked by credit card. Where are the people that said microsoft gonna save d4 and poe gonna die. The only comp poe has is poe2.

[@killer8217gaming]

Well blizzard is a shitty company and companies like that exist. Many of them too saddly. Heck I'm working for one currently and they are fake trying to advertise the game when it barely has any actual gameplay on it with just 2 people hired to work on it and literally no ideas from the higher ups given aside from "realistic MMO and small map" Edit: I'm so getting fired if they see this but I doubt they will

[@Erik_Dz]

To put this into perspective, GGG as a company has less total employees than just the D4 team at blizzard. They come out with this league while also working on PoE 2 and they are working on the next league already.

[@rebeltheharem7028]

Gonna be honest, I hope the city builder part stays core. Things like that keep me playing for longer.

[@TheLangalear]

I was extremely hesitant about paying 80$ for the Diablo 4 DLC, I can't see the value in it. Now I know I'm not buying it.

[@christianalanwilson434]

if anything wait until it goes on sale. full price for any AAA game is a ripoff.

[@wheeze9378]

@@christianalanwilson434 defo waiting for a sale too! still bummed i paid full price for D4 base alpha game..

[@acbeaumo]

$80? Seriously? God damn. They're just greedy at this point.

[@frikabg]

hahahahha didn't even know... let me go and check how much POE are charging for their newest expansion who has 1000 times more fun stuff in it! Ohhh wait! IT IS STILL FREE! Jesus Christ this was going to be funny if it wasn't so pathetic!

[@254171275fb]

The dlc is 40$ if you want cosmetics with the expansion, it’ll cost more

[@camraid9]

diablo 4 is still trying to figure out what bathroom to use

[@user-ui2ge2zo1d]

It's like Chris Wilson said "alright boys, your vision for POE2 is great, you got this! However, I'm gonna go oversee POE 1 and give you a run for your money!"

[@baronoke5432]

They're competing with themselves lol

[@Flourikum]

Funnily enough this league was conceptualized by the other lead designer of PoE2. They're naturally competitive with eachother but more in a fun way seen in their q&a with ZiggyD

[@Azurech]

But it is Mark who is the Game Director of PoE1 now :)

[@ArmedPotat0]

I mean.... we are basicly beta testing content for POE2... it feels like. In a league!

[@taylon5200]

​@@baronoke5432that's what happens when you're the best in the business.

[@valreth5648]

GGG: "there are so many changes, that we cant predict the outcome either" thats what i love about them. Balls of steel

[@wisp6826]

I have heard it on good authority, that in Poe 1 and 2, when you see another player you don't have to load his entire inventory, all his stuff in stashes, everything he owns both on steam and logs of everything he has ever done during his time on this good earth. Technology is truly here.

[@plushrei5926]

Is that how it works in d4 pmao?

[@jonsnow3176]

@@plushrei5926 thats how the d4 devs said it works

[@VarcolacLady]

@@plushrei5926 Basically, yes. Full inv/stash loaded whenever someone nears you. It was a revelation, to say the least, once they admitted to that.

[@RG32822]

You do however load your MTX inventory, so fresh accounts load slightly faster than accounts with lots of MTX. It's why racers use fresh accounts for record-setting.

[@kanaria-cu3uv]

6:24 he says "the shrine fucks the demons" you cannot convince me otherwise.

[@Casual_ND]

Buffs :)

[@banishedbr]

demons workship the shrine so in a way the shrine is MIND FKING THEM, so your not that wrong =)

[@mattmatt7720]

Well now I can't un hear it.

[@jaydubs7068]

If you're a Diablo 4 dev and you hear the words "Hi, I'm Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games" You know you are fucked.

[@aspikbardamu6040]

Yeah and if you are Microsoft shareholder you do not even know POE exists. Still extremely funny to see such comments on the supposely competition between POE and D4. It would be like to find a local brand selling quality burger for a decent price and say look mac donalds is doomed :D :P Blizzard sold 20M copy of D4 at least. Player retention of S4 D4 on steam(no one play D4 on steam - bnet or gamepass main options) is better than POE league in %. You can dream about it but no one will ever compete with coca cola or mac donalds. Human in the majority wants sthg simple that they know. POE or POE2 will never compete with a mastodonte like D4. Like yes arma 4 is much better than any COD, lets check the sales haha. Better to give up.

[@matthewburt8632]

for sure, bliz is f'ed with their 100s of milliions and 10,000% higher player base... uhh ohh what will they do!

[@Seproc]

@@aspikbardamu6040blizz is already fcked. Do you not read news? Been abandoned by the company who acquired it.

[@sajmon154]

it's *Grinding Gay Games...

[@Spectyrr]

@@aspikbardamu6040 Blizzard shill yapping

[@halomaster366]

Diablo 4 was never even a competition

[@error404fnf]

I swear halfway through the video I heard some kid in the distance, screaming: "Stop! It's already dead."

[@hoangyamides1403]

and all of this is free updates. D4 team woulda sell this as their entire "expansion"

[@DDRFaQ]

They’d sell this as 2 expansions at the very least.

[@staskozak8118]

3 bosses so 3 expansions!

[@Mark-sd4hv]

YOU WANT GAME YOU PAY DAMNIT!

[@GeorgeMonet]

This would be 3 D4 expansions. With multiple micro DLC purchases.

[@dlwk1988]

nah D4 would sell this as D5

[@xgrey777]

the supporter pack named Paladin when all D4 players keep asking for a paladin class and getting ignored by blitzz is just pure gold

[@handheldcone9235]

Lol you clearly don't know that the lack of Paladin is dictated by lore. But most of you commenting here maybe played Diablo 3 and that's it. You know nothing.

[@vbombos]

I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the changelog they briefly mentioned they found a cure for cancer.

[@appo8557]

They were just sitting on it, finger on the big red button, waited for Diablo to show their hand and dropped the NUKE!

[@NiceDiggz]

Diablo is a Joke and no eay near what it was. They have nothing but Woman who don't understand games

[@SilversTaurus]

Bro Blizz set themselves into failure. They did this an hour before poe livestream. Epitome of shooting themselves in the foot!

[@Honyakusha]

I still remember when Blizzard sniped the release date of the other games, burying them under their weight. Oh, how to turntables.

[@shanehunt4661]

How to turn tables 😂😂 "oh how the tables have turned" gold comment thankyou 😂

[@morphoned]

@@shanehunt4661 its a classic michael scott reference, he knows its wrong lol

[@bole5113]

It wasn't even planned by ggg

[@aezyn8645]

@Honyakusha Funnily enough it was D4 who sniped GGG. Check PoE release schedule, its always last friday of july, for years. And we know the reveal is a week prior roughly. So D4 tried to snipe GGG with this one, prolly hoping they are busy with the upcoming PoE2 closed beta. But hell nah they dropped a nuclear warhead on Blizzard HQ.

[@Honyakusha]

@@aezyn8645 Then it's classic f around and find out the case; good riddance.

[@eladriladri]

They are doing the Warlords of Draenor garrison but it's going to be actually good, it's unbelievable what these people can do every 4 months. The best fucking gaming studio ever.

[@chaos3088]

GGG wiped D4 on the floor n makes it looks extremely dirty 😂😂😂

[@Kydrou]

"This does not look good for D4..." Dude. This does not look good for D5. We need D6 ASAP.😂

[@TravisHi_YT]

Give them a 3 more years and they'll release D6 😆

[@dichaelovic]

year 2135 D5 is announced

[@abominableslothman]

how the fuck is GGG still cooking more the a decade later, with a sequel so close? absolute chads.

[@arvydas5017]

And with sequel release, they will cook both

[@Vaniezxx]

Diablo 4 set out to make a better game than diablo 3 , when they should have attemted to make a better game than POE

[@gecgoodpasi1654]

good luck with that like diablo 4 finally managed to kinda fix its rly bad launch state but PoE legit has just too much passion behind it maybe it scares some people that want easy to consume brainless ARPG but for fans PoE is just a different tier then any competitor currently

[@allstar_]

@@gecgoodpasi1654 for normies diablo was the goat, for gamers it always was PoE

[@TheMadJoker87]

And failed to do either, while d3 still lacks a fun endgame, the qol and smoothness of the gameplay Is a decade ahead of d4

[@GeorgeMonet]

D3 is already a great game, WAY better than PoE imo as PoE is too much like D2 which I don't like. They set out to make something closer to D4 and made something that doesn't satisfy people who like D2 or D3.

[@tooitchy]

Utterly impossible.

[@Serey9345]

This whole event was like an infomercial "You'll enjoy this. BUT WAIT! There's more!"

[@abdelhaksaouli8802]

The one who build the engine that was used to make POE is genius programmer. their engine is so flexible

[@Edd1148.]

They rehauled it a few seasons ago... and now we're seeing the fruits of their labor!

[@AR-yr5ov]

This many changes in 4 months is crazy, and yeah kudos to the people that developed it.

[@toodlepop]

not surprising. GGG is a game company, blizzard is not.

[@michaelmurray6197]

I keep on saying this. At this point Blizzard should just accept facts and start making movies and TV shows. I played Diablo 4 for the cutscenes, it's like an interactive movie. Which was nice, but how often do you watch a movie multiple times. Some people may, but it's rare to have someone want to watch it back to back numerous times, and that is how I felt about D4.

[@williamquezada1462]

This game can't be real.

[@Mamiya645]

PoE is a freaking miracle man. Things gone right and staying right and I hope they stay right and tight.

[@bjarnis]

It's like they put everything the fans wanted into it, this will be huge 😊

[@tooitchy]

it is, and it's free. poe actually breaking the entire game industry at this rate.

[@lolimmune]

​@UTTPEmperorMAPPride I translated it. And I hate it.

[@webtiger1974PTG]

​@@lolimmunehe's a bot, just report him.

[@logic314]

Gamers have been shit on the last couple of years with microtransactions, geolocking, delays, bugs, mobile, mediocrity... I'm still on D2 and I will def try this out. This looks amazing, hats off. Is this still free to play?

[@HumanThoughtExpression]

Yes it's still F2P

[@Kuzka_]

It's free, but you most likely will have to spend money on stash tabs at some point. There's just so much stuff that's useful and has purpose.

[@Fighterfan69]

Yes free to play but $20 -$30 for stash tabs. Stash Tabs are quite useful in seperating the amount of currency, Maps, Divinity Cards, etc. Well Worth it. So much better than paying $70 for a game + the $40 expansion that's coming out in Oct.

[@freedomfighter6838]

Yea it’s free but more cry babies is not what Poe needs - just continue on with D2

[@keletienne7947]

I just uninstalled D4. This is so hilariously inspiritional compared to the rehash that is Diablo and its expansion/reskin new class announcement....just no words

[@FrankieFresh]

You know when Mike Tyson would just knock people out in the first 30 seconds? Poe just knocked the fk out of d4.

[@Lithdren]

No they knocked them out in the first 30 seconds, then proceeded to continue to beat their unconscious body for an additional 49 and a half minutes while the ref watched on.

[@weertangel7231]

@@Lithdren indeed, and then threw them out of the ring on a spike.

[@johnnycapote9817]

No it didn't,I've never heard of this crap. Which it is,it's not for console and d4 fans want to fight demons. Not sit through farming crops,going on ships and fighting pirate's..

[@Lithdren]

@@johnnycapote9817 lol, enjoy your...*checks notes*...inventory slots! Exciting gameplay!

[@FrankieFresh]

@@johnnycapote9817 I’m assuming you didn’t hear the Xbox one and ps5 section of the video?

[@Reborndx6]

Tell me how in 5-10 minutes the poe reveal had more depth than 1 ½ hours of d4 expansions reveals Jesus. 😂

[@MrPangahas]

coz its 1 1/2 hours of going around the bushes trying to convince people its something worthwhile,funny part is it looks like they need convincing themselves.POE is what I imagined a modern diablo game.Havent touched it since Diablo2

[@14Blackspirit]

But ... didn't you listen to the devs from D4 ... the art is so pretty.

[@DistanceVideoStudio]

diablo aint that bad, its slowly getting better and its really fun to play. For sure its not as good as poe, or even as LE, but gotta respect the fact that devs are actually listening now, and making the game more enjoyable. THEY LISTEN!

[@heikoheinlein9318]

Yeah. I pay both. For each his own.

[@MATCHLESS789]

GGG is like "ffs, no one's even putting up any real competition, let's compete between PoE1 and PoE2".

[@KUNAIfever]

feels like a Baki plot

[@Volvith]

D4: Can't add more inventory slots. POE: "Our game is now also Sim City, Habbo Hotel, and every single aspect of our game is better in every way you asked for."

[@wanderer5766]

The funny thing is, when Hideouts first came in with the Masters in the way back when, we already had the beginnings of habbo hotel

[@sphex7577]

Here starts my journey into PoE, farewell D4

[@christianalanwilson434]

Do it. Don't let the complexity overwhelm you, just play, mess around and figure it out as you go.

[@plushrei5926]

True, don't be crushed when you can't do t10 maps, just go slow and enjoy the discovery process

[@derwinnerr]

its a game that only looks overwhelming. its a game where you can be creative and just have fun without too many restrictions

[@bhc6278]

They combined turn based games like Travian, Civilization etc with ARPG mechanics. Clever guys! They can really think out of the box!! Well done...Creativity and passion are always rewarded by the gaming community which is saturated by the same patterns/mechanics over and over again!

[@Gopstop222]

blizzard in 10 years wont even add as much content in d4 than PoE does in one league

[@YourIgnit]

all i can think of is the simpsons when homer is beating the krustyburgler and the kid saying "stop he is already dead", poor diablo.

[@Hollowdub]

D4: Alright, we figured out how to resummon duriel without restarting the game

[@OptimysticTV]

Bro PoE cant be blowing D4 outta the water.. Because D4 is playing in the kiddy pool at grandma and grandpas house while PoE is conquering the oceans... PoE is unaware of D4 at this point...

[@niravelniflheim1858]

Well just imagine that kiddie pool getting hit by a multiple simultaneous air strike and that's basically what just happened. 😂

[@brettedington1865]

D4 wants you to pay for a new character. Imagine that. You get all this for FREE in POE.

[@MrSkeezymak]

PoE class choice barely matters, its one of the reasons the game sucks.

[@velfaern1716]

Not really seeing as how your inventory is limited and you’re forced to pay money to expand it and can’t do it any other way. With the amount of item bloat this game has now they’re 100% banking on die hard players to buy slots to hold all the crap you need in this game unless you just run 1 meta build you copied off a website. D4 might charge for the game and expansion but that’s been pretty standard for online RPGs since the early 2000’s. Charging for inventory and stash is 100% a 2020’s f2p scam. PoE is fine, but acting like it’s flawless because you’ve sunk cost fallacy scars from blizzard games doesn’t make it better in EVERY way. Some, sure, but not because “big company bad”.

[@zereo6945]

@@velfaern1716 You do know for the same cost that D4 charges just for the base game you could buy enough tabs to last you the rest of your time playing? Not even going to mention the cost of expansions that will come. Hell just $20 gets you more than enough tabs if you aren't hording every single rare item. I get it, I dislike the whole comparisons thing, but to act like stash tabs are somehow a scam and costs more money is completely disingenuous. Give props where it is due, POE does monetization the right way.

[@syriek]

​@velfaern1716 are inventory stashs buys valid forever or per season on poe? Do you have to buy every time?

[@omegacloud222]

@@syriek Inventory is permanent and everything you buy in PoE 1 will also be accessible in PoE 2. That guy clearly has never played poe and is just some hardcore diablo fanboy lol

[@max3334441]

POE is a game made by Gamers for Gamers, D4 is a game made by investors for Gamers, that's a huge difference

[@chrislee369]

It’s still the same

[@Scott74921]

@@chrislee369 I feel sorry for you

[@chrislee369]

@@Scott74921 explain

[@Valhalla.Studio]

D4 devs said it could take up to 6 months to just add more stash tabs, this right here would take them 6 years!

[@charlespanache7047]

I wish they handled Diablo 3 better. I've been playing modded versions of D2 for over a decade. I can't understand how blizz messed up something that was already so good. Playing Project D2 right.

[@Conflixx-92]

It took PoE 14 years to add this though.

[@Vexkion]

Path of Exile isn’t a seamless open world. It has loaded instances. That’s the difference. Your stash in PoE is behind an instance that is loaded solely for the town. So they can do whatever they want because the rest of the game isn’t being loaded at the same time. You leave town to go to an area and it loads a new instance that is only you and your party if applicable. D4 is an open world with hundreds of moving parts that are constantly checked. It can’t be compared.

[@Cwyan]

​@@Vexkionit absolutely can be compared. One company takes an eternity to improve their systems that everyone hates, the other does it within a couple of months. No consumer cares about the difficulty of performing a task because it's irrelevant. The D4 devs are completely incompetent.

[@Shaehl]

@@Conflixx-92 PoE hasn't been making this update for 14 years. This is just the most recent update they've worked on.

[@designerwookiee]

I do have to respect that they're confident enough, (and have the track record to back it up), to just "rip the band aid off" and delete a whole class and completely rework massive sections of the talent trees without extensive testing. More or less just being like, 'yea, we have no idea what the full extent of all these changes will be. but we're confident that our changes will be good for the health of the game and that our players will figure it out.'

[@SilversTaurus]

They got our backs so we also got their backs!

[@xDeathCrownx]

Meanwhile D4 charging everyone for 1 class PoE: hold my beer 🍺

[@lolsa123]

as if there won't be a ton of microtransactions in the town builder minigame they have, oh buy characters better characters mine faster, and mining is done In real-time no matter if you're logged in or not. tell me there won't be microtransactions like 'tired of waiting? buy instant mining for just 2$' want to resurrect your favorite worker? just 2$. I've seen plenty of city builders if i wanted that shit id fucking play it already.

[@jordanlobo4680]

@@lolsa123bro clearly hasn’t played poe 💀

[@raygarvertex]

@@lolsa123 That is just hilarious. There never was and never will be microtransactions for the current league mechanic. The only kinds of microtransactions involving any league mechanics are new stashes which hold the currency for it and even that is not necessary since you can just stash them in a regular stash tab as well. No reason to bash the game just because you prefer D4. Both games cater to different audiences. The monetization in PoE is extremely fair however.

[@DARKCOP2011]

@@raygarvertex And of course what a fucking sin to charge for your work right? I think that guy thinks Diablo 4 its free or something, flash news you can buy a fking brand new game with the money of only two or three D4 skins.

[@LEMON-ib3vv]

@@lolsa123 That's not how poe works .Nice try blizz employee

[@Echront]

this is not a season, is a new entire game

[@marcogenovesi8570]

This is just a tuesday for PoE

[@Hemskelol]

they are alpha testing poe2 features most likely

[@paulo8301]

After Diablo II, all "diablo" games made by blizzard were pure hot dog shite.

[@sven_ftw]

GGG: "You think POE is complicated? Do you??? You don't know what complicated is. You merely adopted the complex. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the complex until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but simple."

[@zazoreal5536]

Diablo: This season is about the Jungle, Zakarum, Akarat and Mephisto ....The Paladin doesn't really fit in with the theme of this dlc. Me : You do know the Zakarum created the Paladin order in the heart of a Jungle in the Zakarum temple that was corrupted by Mephisto. Prompting the Paladins to see other people out to help them fight against the corruption.

[@banishedbr]

yeah, i saw the d4 bad presentation and felt strange when they didn't talk about that, or i missed but anyways d4 bad

[@palleppalsson]

Meanwhile Blizzard started with 50 minutes of fucking lore and talking about the connections to nature.

[@antonego9581]

i wish Mark Roberts was my boss. Imagine a project leader who actually plays their own product

[@Deminese2]

Mark Started as a QA guy at GGG. Dude tested the fuck out of the game and became a dev then was promoted again into lead designer due to his knowledge.

[@netgodzilla1]

Before POE is considered a Diablo clone, but now, maybe it will be a stronger frachise with new better ideas than Diablo

[@xagon2012]

This is like dozens of D4 leagues put into one. GGG are such masters of their craft. Amazing.

[@mattheopichetti9258]

When a game company announcement turns Asmond into a bumbling speechless buffoon....you know you have a good product on your hand.

[@DarkParadeHF]

This is what happens when you are willing to take risks instead of playing everything extremely safe.

[@AlbinoWhiteGuy]

I didn’t play last league but I’m definitely playing this time. Probably Marauder or Duelist since endurance charges are gonna be crazy this league.

[@rlowethewitch8417]

This is a really cool tie in, as I think Kingsmarch is a town act in PoE 2! We’re not just seeing how that town is built, it’s being built BECAUSE of us!

[@banishedbr]

yup, if they didn't separate the game this would be the normal transformation towards POE2, but now we will have both games, but still same UNIVERSE so it has to get to where poe2 is at some point, and this is it, i just wonder how that will go cuz it should stay for the next league

[@rahn45]

A game made by gamers for gamers? In current day? Also funny how YT has D4 as the game associated with the video.

[@Breadwalker765]

Yeah that's how it should have been.

[@DonJuanDM]

This game has more pirate gameplay than Skull & Bones, not even AAAA.....

[@jonasbxx]

problem with poe is that alle these systems are so confusing that you spend the majority out of the game

[@lifesabeach8846]

meanwhile for d4 takes half year of brainstorm about how to increase stash tabs

[@Br_pow]

Buying microtransactions for a game like this, is a respectful thing to do

[@Onkelcuno]

What baffles me the most is that the PoE1 team is the smaller team. The PoE2 Team is the big one at GGG. the fucking B team dropped this. THE FUCKING B TEAM DELETED DIABLO!

[@banishedbr]

🤣

[@Onkelcuno]

@@TerribleSimRacer you do know that the league only launches next week? so we do not have player numbers to PoE yet. anyway, enjoy a single new class and a bit of story in diablo soon. PoE basically got 3 new classes, buffs on the whole game and basically a new game on top of that with the new mechanic. i have played diablo 4 quite a bit, but no comtent update to it had this much content.

[@GobbiLuiz]

@@TerribleSimRacer How to say you're dumb without saying you're dumb

[@Esotaric08]

@@TerribleSimRacer cope harder than taliesin from WoW lol who's the clown now?

[@dogeeee606]

​@nickt5198 it's okay kid you probably tried poe and haven't figured out how to link skills in there proper sockets 😢

[@EmbraceTheBeardLife]

never played POE. Guess ill play it now. Downloading. Also, I noticed some Baulders Gate type mechanics implemented here with the boss that invades your town and you have to choose how it goes. pretty cool, seems like the devs are paying attention unless this is normal for their games.

[@bowiemoonen2565]

Norms for them wildy since like 2015