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New Ryobi Track Saw Put To The Test )WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW) before you buy the Ryobi Track Saw!

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@1WickedWS6
@1WickedWS6 2 жыл бұрын
The tracks are made so when you make your first cut with the saw, that piece creates a zero clearance to the blade that you have in the saw. Completely by design brother!
@cadby1
@cadby1 2 жыл бұрын
You always cut the rubber or plastic strip on the first cut, this aligns that side perfectly with the blade. Should change the strip when you change blades, or at least switch to a different blade with perhaps a slightly different kerf. That's with every track, every brand.
@gj7557
@gj7557 2 жыл бұрын
A little tip for people using a track saw ... for best results when cutting and not damaging your new tool please ensure when you set up to cut that the waste side of the material falls and not the track and saw
@justAnotherMike82
@justAnotherMike82 2 жыл бұрын
ideally you'll support both sides. when the cut gets close to the end you don't want the waste piece to break off before you finish the cut.
@gj7557
@gj7557 2 жыл бұрын
@@justAnotherMike82 definitely agree but if it's a small offcut it's not necessary. Anything over say 100mm then yeah
@rollthers3157
@rollthers3157 2 жыл бұрын
@@ProxyFinal Yeah, trying to understand why anyone would use this instead of a table saw.
@frenchyroastify
@frenchyroastify 2 жыл бұрын
I use a 2" expanded polystyrene foam sheet for support
@5zwoodworks
@5zwoodworks 2 жыл бұрын
@@rollthers3157 then it's not for you. It's quite a simple concept and extremely useful for people with small shops or limited space. The fact that you don't understand the purpose for a track saw means you need to educate yourself what they're used for and why they're beneficial to many woodworkers.
@stevebenson506
@stevebenson506 2 жыл бұрын
The rubber on the edge of the track is a sacrifice area. I have used Makita and Kreg. First cut gives you the exact distance to the track from the edge of newly cut rubber. This is how they are built.
@treebossmike8818
@treebossmike8818 2 жыл бұрын
Clint bro that rubber is made to be cut on the first cut. All tracks have that feature it’s by design. It acts as a zero clearance feature to avoid chipping ya know. You should use the same kerf whenever you change blades to maintain the consistency of future cuts otherwise you can purchase new rubber strips for your tracks. I have the Makita 18v x2 and love it I want the new 40v XGT too because it’s bad ass and Makita know saws!
@brandonlee8400
@brandonlee8400 2 жыл бұрын
cut with more teeth, I learned this with my Reeobye table-saw instructions. less kickback from a circ too. What depth should you set your saw blade past the material being cut? For the best quality of finish and the greatest level of personal safety, set the blade so that the gullet of one tooth is slightly exposed beyond the thickness of the material being cut. -from JLC (Journal of Light Construction)
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 2 жыл бұрын
Thats interesting Brandon... thanks !
@barttrahan7037
@barttrahan7037 2 жыл бұрын
FYI your first cut just make 1/8 in deep to cut the black rubber real cleanly now you have a nice perfect straight edge to line up your marks if you go too deep it becomes ragged
@JohnnyC10071959
@JohnnyC10071959 2 жыл бұрын
Cannot wait for delivery of my track saw
@roysnider3456
@roysnider3456 5 ай бұрын
I’ve been thinking about a track saw, God I wish we had cool tools like this when I was a young man. Anyway I’m already on the Ryobi platform so this info is good for me, I’m also on the DeWalt platform so it boils down to those two.I really don’t want to buy into another platform in order to have a good track saw.
@kentuckybeardsman
@kentuckybeardsman 2 жыл бұрын
would be awesome to see a plug in option as well for when your batteries are dead,!!
@MYT1FL
@MYT1FL 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s supposed to do that. The Kreg accucut saw guide does the same thing when you use it for the first time.
@MrLocke-bk3om
@MrLocke-bk3om 2 жыл бұрын
if Milwaukee doesn't launch a track saw this year, I'm going to be so pissed
@henri6595
@henri6595 2 жыл бұрын
They will in the EU 1st. You can find pictures of it online and the official model number.
@MrLocke-bk3om
@MrLocke-bk3om 2 жыл бұрын
@@henri6595 yeah, and that’s been true for over a year and still no saw
@henri6595
@henri6595 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrLocke-bk3om Must be some supply chain holdup. Everyone already knows what the saw looks like, the specs, and where it will be released. Better be the best darn saw k own to man at this point!
@ryanjewell9832
@ryanjewell9832 2 жыл бұрын
@@henri6595 probably wouldn't get your hopes up on being superior, they'll probably release a mediocre one first, better and more powerful then the ryobi, but with quirks, probably with the trigger switch, then release a second gen a year or two down the line that will work great. And I'll probably buy the first gen, be pissy and say I'm switching platforms but won't, and then buy the second generation. Because that's how it goes for me. Although I do love my milwaukee tools most of the time.
@stringtype
@stringtype 2 жыл бұрын
what a refreshing experience to get a lil personality in hardware videos
@SandyMasquith
@SandyMasquith 2 жыл бұрын
This is really tempting. It’s great to see someone making a Track Saw for those of us without the “Festool bux” budget. That being said, I wouldn’t expect it to have the Festool quality. Unfortunately for Ryobi, that’s going to be the comparison since Festool is considered at least one of the best Track Saws on the market. Ryobi is really kicking it with their tools lately!
@gj7557
@gj7557 2 жыл бұрын
As a self employed chippy the only festool equipment I have is the track saw .. it's awesome. I have no issues buy either Milwaukee, makita , dewalt , Bosch etc . My main kit is Milwaukee ( all cordless) but I also have a dewalt battery table saw ( it's awesome ) a makita drop saw and battery chainsaw and a makita thicknesser ... sorry to bore you with my non tool or loyalty snobbery lmfao
@jamus3457
@jamus3457 2 жыл бұрын
This will never, and was never designed, to "beat" the Festool or Mafell. In my mind this is more competition to the Makita and Kreg tracksaws...less pro kit more DIY. That said I have issues with excessive plastic on what looks like critical components.
@dimr1088
@dimr1088 Жыл бұрын
@@jamus3457 makita is a diy tool? 🤣
@JoeDeGuidopastorforchrist
@JoeDeGuidopastorforchrist 2 жыл бұрын
It’s ok that u cut the splinter guard down. It’s how Festool does theirs as well. It works that way. It’s not broke. Ooh so naaas!
@MikeTheSith200
@MikeTheSith200 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! I wish you would have tested it on other tracks.
@shigthehandyman
@shigthehandyman 2 жыл бұрын
I’m shaking my head right now! Everyone coming out with a tracksaw before Milwaukee…that’s NOT really Nass like!! Great vid by the way!!!
@ianmoon1103
@ianmoon1103 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that it's RAI - OH - BEE
@dantheman9395
@dantheman9395 2 жыл бұрын
Ryobi is cutting into the market! Even if you slice and dice the tool itself 🤣🤣
@luiszuniga5309
@luiszuniga5309 Жыл бұрын
I lke your energy ....👍
@tonysutton6559
@tonysutton6559 2 жыл бұрын
What happens if your HP battery goes flat and you use the saw with a standard 4ah or 5ah battery?
@QBYOUNGBLOOD
@QBYOUNGBLOOD Жыл бұрын
Good video.... the shirt is another story. WHO DEY?!
@adamking5560
@adamking5560 2 жыл бұрын
the rubber piece is a splinter guard. it is oversized so the first cut calibrates the track to the saw blade, which gives it a zero clearance effect on the keep side of the workpiece.
@mrbranchatl
@mrbranchatl 2 жыл бұрын
Hey guy, you are very entertaining…..nice like….. great review.
@impalervlad1456
@impalervlad1456 2 жыл бұрын
I love watching your tool reviews.. Although, I have to tell you... You are such a nut.. LOL I love it.. keep making your tool reviews.. I'll keep watching
@Griffinwoodworks
@Griffinwoodworks 2 жыл бұрын
You stole the bat-ray? Bruce is gonna be pissed. 😂 Great video brother.
@lincolndickerson1293
@lincolndickerson1293 2 жыл бұрын
… um my understanding is with all track saws the edge is set on the first cut. It can be looked on as a setup thing
@profuse007
@profuse007 2 жыл бұрын
Need a corded Milwaukee to go with dust collection hose
@petethehandyman9185
@petethehandyman9185 2 жыл бұрын
Good honest review! Thanks
@MFunkibut
@MFunkibut 3 ай бұрын
But what size DeeAbeLow blade would this saw take????
@FredD63
@FredD63 2 жыл бұрын
Ohhh Clint 🤦🏼‍♂️you damaged it on the first cut 🤣🤣🤣 I’ll forgive ya because your wearing the right shirt 👊🏼✌🏼✌🏼🔨🪚🇺🇸
@thehawkc
@thehawkc 2 жыл бұрын
That rubber always comes off first.
@cust888
@cust888 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps this saw should be a hybrid for more power to cut better. And a battery when convenience is more important.
@xeress
@xeress 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely getting it, waiting on any possible discounts when the ryobi days promotion starts.
@jus2319
@jus2319 2 жыл бұрын
As others have stated the non slip rubber strip is sacrificial but once you cut is set the the kerf of the blade. A good blade can make a cheap tool cut well. The same way a cheap blade can make an expensive tool cut badly. A makita track saw blade would be a good addition. As well as having the side your track is on be supported. Dropping shouldn’t be an issue. No reason to being throwing around something you spent money on and depend on making precise cuts.
@milwaukeemikee4063
@milwaukeemikee4063 2 жыл бұрын
This is the second review with no price mentioned I have watched????? Don’t be shy tell the class!
@paulpoco22
@paulpoco22 Жыл бұрын
Cut down bifold door with track saw or table saw? DIY hobbiest
@scottbionicnerf8727
@scottbionicnerf8727 Жыл бұрын
The one thing Ryobi did to prevent me from purchasing their Track Saw Kit. They made their own proprietary track for the saw. That pisses me off, more than having to slow down let saw catch up(it's not quite as dusty when you go slower 🤓.) I can't use the track with any other tracks all that I might want to step up to after I get tired of of being so gentle with the Ryobi saw so that it can get the job done before I run out of battery or patience or whatever the hell else. Maybe it'll share it's track with the Walmart Hart version if there's to be an even less powerful model.
@kingsteegg
@kingsteegg 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking I wasn't gonna and now I'm sure I'm not. Sticking with the circ for now.
@tworailsrails1821
@tworailsrails1821 2 жыл бұрын
I'm another one wondering how to get one of these! I've checked Home Depots in my county and in different states, they don't have any. Worse, they say it's not even available "online" !! . .What's Up!?
@eamonstynes440
@eamonstynes440 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I like some Ryobi tools and have some 18v drills, impact drivers. But when looking for accuracy in a tool, the amount of cheap plastic on this scares me. I have an aluminium straight edge that I know the off set for all my skill saws and never had an issue with cutting straight pieces of lumber, and have just invested in a table saw the does a lot more with the correct jigs than a track saw can ever do. Track saws are the new Festool Domino tool…………….we all want one but do we need it
@danreger8924
@danreger8924 2 жыл бұрын
"Real tight like!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ScottBehrends319
@ScottBehrends319 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve definitely been waiting for this review. Thanks brother! You know I smeeeshed that like button! Does it have any catches for the common sizes of plywood? Or does it have an override for -1° or 92° like some other ones did?
@pazuso
@pazuso 2 жыл бұрын
Is the guide rail proprietary, or the same as Makita/Festool?
@ChadTolkien
@ChadTolkien 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know this as well!
@terriblet9810
@terriblet9810 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChadTolkien ditto
@themeat5053
@themeat5053 2 жыл бұрын
C'mon Clint, with those straight edges one must always slice and dice through the rubber track to make it, effectively, a zero clearance. That's why tracks suck, every time you get a different blade, you may have to adjust the track to the kerf.
@lincolndickerson1293
@lincolndickerson1293 2 жыл бұрын
Wait a hold it!!! Did you not say you were from OhiO and yet I see a steeler’s ( lower case intended) shirt on you? I am not a sports fan by any means but I know when I see some that doesnt line up… ( all tongue in cheek, great video)
@scottbionicnerf8727
@scottbionicnerf8727 Жыл бұрын
I might would change my mind about the saw's power if I had a 6ah or even better 9ah Ryobi high put battery to put on it. But that battery( it's made from pure unuptainium!)cost as much as the kit. I don't know if there's a problem with those 9ah batteries or not.(?) Maybe I should back off a little, but I truly think they should put an extra proprietary clamp and a 6ah battery. And, I couldn't find a Diablo blade for a tool I was renting anyways. There is 1 thing I must say for tractor saws in general. Cordless and Track Saw when combined are extremely liberating. Cordless makes the tool more usable. Really, any tool.
@VittorioSergi
@VittorioSergi 2 жыл бұрын
gotta see the price first, here in Italy a makita track saw with a set of 2x700mm track is usually 370€ on amazon, and that's a good deal to me
@victorneckar7743
@victorneckar7743 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll get one , thx for the review
@Rycel2001
@Rycel2001 2 жыл бұрын
As an avid DIY-er/hobbyist, I would still pass on this. I managed to get a secondhand Makita and I love it; nothing about it feels cheap or underpowered, compared to just seeing how Ryobi cut so many corners to keep the cost down. From the plastic shoe, to the Wen & Triton-style dial selector, to only having 18v when the industry standard is 36v+, anyone this would be marketed toward would honestly be better off saving the money by getting a quality straightedge & using the circ saw they probably already have. If you are going to be using a track saw enough that you need its precision & reliability, actually invest in a quality model (even if its corded).
@pazuso
@pazuso 2 жыл бұрын
It really depends on the price. If it's cheap enough, imo it's still better than a regular circ saw + clamped edge/fence in terms of dust collection and convenience. However, it may not be cheap enough to justify not going Makita or even Festool; The Festool TSC 55 KIT is actually a pretty good value.
@BarryStyles
@BarryStyles 2 жыл бұрын
As a professional carpenter, I think you'd be mistaken to pass on this. I personally use a mix of M18, metabo 36v, and Ryobi tools, and Ryobi holds up very well in the right context. For example, their SDS drill is a third the cost of the competition and performs smoothly for professional jobs in the SDS Plus range. I recommend against Ryobi when it comes to tools that are going to heat up and experience wear (eg recip saw). Due to the low quality parts they don't hold up to wear and tear.. but the cost to quality ratio on tools that DONT get that kind of wear, Ryobi blows everyone else out of the water.
@Rycel2001
@Rycel2001 2 жыл бұрын
@@BarryStyles Maybe I just have duds then, because everything I have gotten from Ryobi (because it was all I could afford at the time) has struggled in anything short of simple drilling & fastening. Maybe I just have bad luck with TTI tools.
@th3m1ke
@th3m1ke 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rycel2001 It also could be you're not using optimized HP batteries or the best size. With Ryobi, the more Ah a battery is the more power its going to give so for me with a 4ah battery everything works great, and with a 6aH battery, everything is INSANELY powered. Also while I only own a few, the new Brushless series is definitely a step up from the original 18vs.
@jeffpatterson9824
@jeffpatterson9824 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe great for cabinet work, to time consuming for general construction
@henri6595
@henri6595 2 жыл бұрын
Makita Tracks Saws do the same thing. The 1st cut cuts the rubber off slightly.
@jimmtech
@jimmtech 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find it on home depot -what is the part number? When will it be available? What is the price?
@adude7050
@adude7050 2 жыл бұрын
Can you lock the saw onto the track so you can lift the saw and track at the same time?
@beardedlocoswoodworks
@beardedlocoswoodworks 2 жыл бұрын
Bro the most important info was not related. What’s the price? Other than that great video diabloooooooooo
@2dot4
@2dot4 2 жыл бұрын
Does the track stick to the material without the clamps? My understanding of every other brand of track saw was that a clampless track was the whole point.
@WildernessPreacher
@WildernessPreacher 2 жыл бұрын
You said it best.... plasticy.....
@jrod5113
@jrod5113 2 жыл бұрын
The 1st cut on the Kreg saw also does that 🤔...maybe it's just a track saw thing🤷‍♂️
@rob-toolsandtech2521
@rob-toolsandtech2521 2 жыл бұрын
What are the dimensions on those track prices? I’d love to see an option that can fit into a link or pack out box. If those are just standard length, I’m sure they won’t fit. Maybe I ought to wait anyway because of the plastic parts. I’ve never had a track saw, but had many situations where it would’ve been really handy.
@Aepek
@Aepek 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, most likely gonna be a makita, Bosch as Festool out of my price range. If Milwaukee does release a track saw, wonder what price gonna be, & blade size 🤔 they choosing. Also, nothing wrong getting a corded makita or Bosch & even a used one at that….for right price of course; cuz sone ppl think used tools should sell at same price as purchased, or they even charge more than msrp. Heck, if they think that….buy new from store, WITH WARRANTY, at that point. Some ppl 🤦🏼 ¹ ¹ yes, happened to me 2 weeks ago. Thought gonna pickup a used Bosch track saw but guy wanted $20 under price of new corded saw. Did get a laugh out if it though, so…did get something free😂😉
@charleslane2735
@charleslane2735 2 жыл бұрын
Put a diablo steel demon blade on it and then you can can cut through metal with it.
@nicksrandomviews1296
@nicksrandomviews1296 2 жыл бұрын
Ryobi might have came out with it first but it definitely looks like there is plenty of room for Milwaukee to come bigger and better if they get their heads out their rear🤣👍
@kc0lif
@kc0lif 2 жыл бұрын
nice saw. diablo is real nass like.
@rebeltoharriganjr6158
@rebeltoharriganjr6158 2 жыл бұрын
I that track compatible with any of the bigger brand, makita, festool or bosh ? What size is the blade4 1/2 inches, if so that is pretty small!
@benthehandyman9667
@benthehandyman9667 2 жыл бұрын
Hello great video, does the track grip and stay put without the clamps like most tracks, Or does it need the clamps? Also what is the price point?
@rodrick6538
@rodrick6538 2 жыл бұрын
They need a track with a grip mat that doesn’t require clamping the track. That’s the number one thing that chaps my arse is having to clamp the track.
@rollthers3157
@rollthers3157 2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. Dwayne Haskins.
@Konserwant222222
@Konserwant222222 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for review, i have a question, is it compatible with festool/makita tracks?
@AaronGeller
@AaronGeller 2 жыл бұрын
Probably not
@1997roadkinger
@1997roadkinger 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have fund to donate to ...so you can get a shirt with sleeves?
@ToolReviewZone
@ToolReviewZone 2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@ivansbacon
@ivansbacon 2 жыл бұрын
Ay Caramba! How to say Diablo in Yinzer speak. I was watching you slice and dice N’at, then you said deeyaaablow, Ay yi yi. Peace Aht.
@ToolReviewZone
@ToolReviewZone 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣👊
@jimmtech
@jimmtech 2 жыл бұрын
My 1st thought at the beginning of the video was my goodness those little plastic parts don't look very strong. I'm not a pro like you so when I'm building I'm building stuff I'm usually swearing at the top of my lungs so I can't imagine having to be so precise and dainty to avoid trying to break some fragile parts!
@TheDarkhorse82
@TheDarkhorse82 2 жыл бұрын
Wait till you use a festool track saw then, its all plastic as well
@robbenham6323
@robbenham6323 2 жыл бұрын
Where are the saws? I can't buy 1 and Ryobi won't tell me when Home Depot will be getting them in sto k.
@mikebaczynski1482
@mikebaczynski1482 2 жыл бұрын
The hoody is ' real nass like '
@ScipioAndycanus
@ScipioAndycanus 2 жыл бұрын
Wat is the arbor size? 20 mm or 5/8"?
@winkletown8828
@winkletown8828 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to add this to my collection, however, I'm going to wait till the next rendition arrives. I want to see what changes Ryobi makes to improve it. It's a shweet shweet thing, but as I've learned over the years, it's best to let the "special people" guinea pig things early to avoid serious complications (most notably is the experimental injections courtesy of the government)
@peterfitzpatrick7032
@peterfitzpatrick7032 2 жыл бұрын
You are a wise person... avoid the free "meds" completely...💉😉
@winkletown8828
@winkletown8828 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 absolutely!!!! I also know that a t shirt or piece of paper won't prevent illness. 🤷 It's sad to see how easily people can be brainwashed. Hahaha, common sense these days is the equivalent of having a superpower.
@bbcamillo
@bbcamillo 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a pro but, the plastic shoe makes me feel uneasy. Is the shoe plastic or is it some kind of fancy composite?
@samuelroberts334
@samuelroberts334 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@goforthbmerry
@goforthbmerry 2 жыл бұрын
just ordered it.
@aaudain1
@aaudain1 2 жыл бұрын
At what store would I get this you haven't given any information where to buy that saw
@ToolReviewZone
@ToolReviewZone 2 жыл бұрын
Ryobi is only sold at the home depot
@mannyc805
@mannyc805 2 жыл бұрын
That’s my biggest question with track saws, I said how do people not cut there tracks lol interesting 🧐
@mannyc805
@mannyc805 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter thanks for the reply I’m interested in getting a track saw soon
@chrismader3689
@chrismader3689 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched Philly Fixed test a Hart drill against something called a “Ree oh bee”. I’ve never heard of them before, but maybe they’ll build a track saw some day too.
@VBCJesusSaves
@VBCJesusSaves 2 жыл бұрын
They are both made by TTI.
@ryanjewell9832
@ryanjewell9832 2 жыл бұрын
Probably before milwaukee also. 🤣🤣
@AaronMatthewGoddard
@AaronMatthewGoddard 2 жыл бұрын
Does it work with Milwaukee track saw rails? :)
@user-bw5xf3yr3m
@user-bw5xf3yr3m 2 жыл бұрын
Price?
@user-eg8hb8xt3j
@user-eg8hb8xt3j 15 күн бұрын
Best not to attach the track to the piece you’re cutting off lmao
@kiproydaley3531
@kiproydaley3531 2 жыл бұрын
Link to buy one
@rkooscar6866
@rkooscar6866 2 жыл бұрын
Big difference between this and the makita. It’s $200 or so more.
@RidgidRon
@RidgidRon 2 жыл бұрын
Go Bears-Ridgid Ron!!!
@punkrockviking
@punkrockviking 2 жыл бұрын
How about them timestamps?
@lucasmancini7415
@lucasmancini7415 2 жыл бұрын
Come on trz do a little homework first. But love the vids. I didn’t no until I watched a video about track saws
@kiproydaley3531
@kiproydaley3531 2 жыл бұрын
Price
@dtardis
@dtardis 2 жыл бұрын
This was such a great review. I appreciate the honesty. As a sometime DIYer I could consider this saw. Thanks for the honesty!
@ScipioAndycanus
@ScipioAndycanus 2 жыл бұрын
How the hell did you get that already?
@LV-lb7dt
@LV-lb7dt 2 жыл бұрын
price ?
@FreddysHamster
@FreddysHamster Жыл бұрын
Nothing up thanks.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 2 жыл бұрын
Even the cheapest turd tracksaw is way better built. Too mach plastic! I would be interested in the tracks though. It's nice to have a short rail without paying a ton.
@tonytools9342
@tonytools9342 2 жыл бұрын
Come on Milwaukee hurry the F up 😂
@jeremynguyen2346
@jeremynguyen2346 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Clint
@For891
@For891 2 жыл бұрын
How the Hell can they sell this for over $300? I’ll use one of the other colors for the same price and not look like a “tool”
@daphlavor
@daphlavor 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just a fan of the Ryobi circ saws, they bog and whine too much. Chaka will agree.
@pauletonal
@pauletonal 2 жыл бұрын
Reeeeeeeobi. NOT ryyyyobi. you might want to go to the Ryobi VP of operations videos and listen to him pronounce it. But I do enjoy your videos anyway
Should you buy a Track Saw?
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