New scientific approach to solve an epidemic of injuries in the military

[@TommyBahama84]

I think the military is finally realising that it needs to combine strength with endurance

[@DraxTheDestroyer]

I think the military is finally realizing they are putting too much pressure on human body and they are looking into ways of how to reduce or eliminate injuries that happen during training and non-combat related activities.

[@MadComputerScientist]

Knee and back injuries in US veterans is nearly ubiquitous. It's smart to study this stuff not just to improve force readiness, but general public health.

[@Scott-tw2jn]

Same here with the Dutch army and it has been going on for decades. I believe training should be much smarter because its much easier to train someone than it is to find new motivated recruits. I got removed from Dutch special forces (similar to the SAS) training because of really bad tibialis stress sydrome. Most guys that didnt make it didnt make it because of injuries not because they were not good only few dropped out by their own choice or because their failed tests or were deemed unfit for the SOF jobs.

[@Runefrag]

Due to CP (spell it backwards) and the global abuse of sugar & syrup reasons, they have been catastrophically lowering said standards all over the world. Very interesting to draw a comparison in what we'll have 30 years from now compared to 30 years ago.

[@amazin7006]

@@Runefrag Standards are way higher now than before during the cold war. We have to ruck way longer distances with way more weight

[@paxundpeace9970]

Many are overuse injuries and often injuries already occure in basic training dueing frequent running and road marches. They need to build much slower into training loads.

[@donkey1271]

That kind of training is long gone

[@mikewinston8709]

Utter rubbish. The modern young are weak and woke.

[@johnpixie]

@@donkey1271 thats a lie

[@TheLuketh1990]

@@donkey1271 Carrying weight over distance is literally the bread and butter of the marines lol, exactly the same as regular infantry soldiers

[@maxsk9074]

and combination with pain meds masking the issue until its a real problem (at least in my county where this is not checked for and only prescribed under rare cases by the actual doctor). what is needed in basic training is a type of exercise that hurts and trains people to be hard and work under pain without permanent damage. i understand the position of many instructors who find it hard to differentiate between a wuss and a real issue but pushing recruits that have developing overuse injuries is obviously stupid. at this point the system does no really care, more or less they just sort people out and i can blame them but then they cant turn around and complain about high dropout

[@lukedogwalker]

Excellent initiative that should pay enormous dividends over the coming years. People are the most valuable resource.

[@Booths-Hydrographics]

What needed to be done in training and throughout the Units are the PTI'S need to be concentrating on stretching sessions and strength sessions instead of constantly doing runs and weighted runs.

[@markturner6755]

Also leaving the services because there is no heating and hot water. In the block.

[@alexanderperry1844]

Years ago it was known that joints had to harden, which was facilitated by the shoes and exercise people (men) wore. Female drill etc was designed to accommodate their skeletal differences, to avoid these injuries. Living in trainers does not achieve this hardening, so the additional stresses of basic training cause problems.

[@longiusaescius2537]

@alexanderperry1844 why did it end?

[@alexanderperry1844]

@@longiusaescius2537 Political correctness for female drill, although most people turned a blind eye to the ladies not stamping about. For young men, it is an issue for basic training; part of toughening up. But if they have rarely if ever worn boots/shoes, the g ap to close is that much wider.

[@aaronb2779]

Im not military so I don't know much about changes in drill. But I can tell you there is no such thing as "hardening the joints".

[@jonb3311]

Biggest problem for matelots would appear to be carpal tunnel syndrome.

[@thelanehunterdevon1664]

Too fat to fight?

[@mihalich7740]

Very interesting scientific news! Thanks.

[@Subtleknife12367]

In my experience the biffs weren't the top soldiers. They were generally overweight too and a bit soft. I think a far bigger problem is the slackening of the fitness standards.

[@22epicman]

Biffs will always be biffs.

[@peterfeeney721]

Ah! The agent provocateur!

[@garyd2448]

The problem starts at school and home, being a child from the 1960's we walked/cycled or ran everywhere. I served 9 years and 30 years in the Fire Service. I still run and keep fit and it amuses me that at the local Parkrun many people in their 20's, 30's and 40's are not able to push themselves. When I was in the Army we ran in boots, looks like the population has just got soft.

[@romeisfallingagain]

yeah its too dangerous for children today thanks to importing people who are nothing like us

[@amazin7006]

When you were in the military your comrades were dropping like flies in Vietnam lmao. Plenty of soldiers ended up injured and were just ignored/swept under the rug.

[@garyd2448]

British Army @@amazin7006

[@iainballas]

Okay boomer.

[@majikalbushe]

Military logic: I think we'll use donkeys to hunt rabbits and then we'll train Beagles to carry equipment, yeah, ok great plan.

[@disposabull]

Schools got rid of playing fields so kids are not getting enough exercise to strengthen their bodies.

[@rogerd777]

Agree. But how do we solve it? Youth need to have a higher fitness level, not just for national security (I am speaking as an American, big problem here, too), but just for the health of the adult population.

[@humbuccaneer84]

Most of time in school. Kids sit. At home especially the last 20 years. They play video games. Only a small percentage takes up an active sport. Many hang around in their teens. Doing nitrous balloons or smoking weed. Besides all that. The army is trying to persue a superhuman level athlete. Wich is stupidity on a whole different level. Following a work harder not smarter mentality. In the end when an army gets overrun, ordinairy people take up resistance. With little to no training at all.

[@ravusursi893]

Shame the military didn’t invest in helping those of us with diagnosed ptsd after combat tours!

[@THEANPHROPY]

Create a cultural change it is not hard to do just some social engineering! Also this lady presenter is an excellent role model for being fit & healthy!!! Peace & Love!!!

[@dangle933]

That was a weird weird skeleton in the opening graphic

[@paulmitchell5349]

So where are the tests for hungry, cold and heavily fatigued and heavily burdened staff ?

[@Callum679]

Very interesting.

[@SomeKidFromBritain]

More low impact cardio would help

[@conradcodfish8638]

Huge problem is the Physical training cores are fit people but uneducated in MSK or Rehab, the ones who are trained always get out ranked and told to run the bods instead of fitness for the role of the personal, to teach people to shod or forefront run is ridiculous, all comes down to education and people to apply it.

[@crtko40]

most vacxed generation, just saying

[@cujimmy1366]

Full MRI scans for all at start of service and at regular intervals such as after deployments.

[@hachwarwickshire292]

What ? And spot things like laser eye damage early ? Are you mad. OK ... Full medicals every three years.

[@cujimmy1366]

@@hachwarwickshire292 Yes and Yes.

[@dragon4956]

Big no no. Based on current medical evidence, full body preventative MRI's offer no benefit. Yes, you can find some pathologies that way, but very often they can just as well be completely benign. The chance of finding false-positives is significant. And all the tests/procedures which are needed to ensure that such a finding is benign, are not harmless.

[@istvancsap3513]

@@dragon4956"Big no no. Based on current medical evidence, full body preventative MRI's offer no benefit. Yes, you can find some pathologies that way, but very often they can just as well be completely benign. The chance of finding false-positives is significant. And all the tests/procedures which are needed to ensure that such a finding is benign, are not harmless." EXACTLY

[@davinxi5926]

Epidemic lol

[@fatlosssos]

We know from plenty of scientific literature that different running patterns in different people and their individual biomechanical movements are not predictors of pain and injury. There're plenty of people running the London Marathon with different gait patterns who don't get injured. There's a reason why the Dr in this video says we 'might' be able to see why they're getting injured. She doesn't know. This is all bullcrap. The injury mechanisms are tissue overload from not progressively adapting to stress. You then have the psychosocial aspect of injury and pain. Joe Smiles.

[@bps7209]

You can’t woke your way through it.

[@johnpixie]

you know the meaning of woke right? this dose not meet that defanition

[@bps7209]

@@johnpixie English please.😂

[@johnpixie]

@@bps7209 mar sin tha thu nad amadan, fionnar

[@HarleyLuna31]

Yet this isnt available for the stwndard citizen

[@michaelgriffiths5723]

Have you looked I to the calibre of recruits being weaker/less robust in 2024?

[@christianZaal]

How does one get classified as "technically" intelligent.

[@Monkey-ud8bw]

It’s interesting, still don’t see how they are going to deliver any meaningful PT in basic if it’s going to be individualised.

[@schlirf]

A view from a Yankee Cav trooper's perspective: Drop the situps and overemphasis on pushups, and watch those Sick Call (and pension disability claims) numbers drop. An army has to learn how to walk, there's no question about that; but its upper body strength can be achieved by other means. 😎

[@Pd0177]

I bet having a biff chit these days gives you a gleaming CR with the way the army has gone ,but it's a shame they didn't do all this years ago

[@surjitkalair8371]

👍

[@cej3940]

Honestly pretty damn impressive, I thought the Virtus load bearing system was already very forward thinking I'm sure as hell hoping this diagnosis system continues to pave the way for not just newer equipment but also changes of current and implementation of new systems Because on top of the virtus system, you can only go so far with slamming calcium, glucosamine and collagen with vitamin C and D before going through some extra rehab-strengthening work, especially with the frequency of higher physical exertion I honestly wouldn't be surprised if further modification/enrichment of food with some type of PED that boosts recovery (pretty much any anabolic steroid) but made as stable as possible for as many different people (short and long term) would occur, especially in combat arms trades

[@jamesbussey2911]

This is an indication of how unequal British society is these days: rich kids are bigger, stronger, healthier and fitter than the poor kids who make up much of the UKs armed forces recruitment pool. The standard of fitness amongst British people has widened over the last few decades: those who have the mindset, ability and resources can acheive a level that is equivalent to a national standard athlete of the past. However, that is usually dependant upon choosing the right parents, the right school and the right area in which to grow up: i.e. better-off ones in all cases. Still, the UK can continue doing what it has been doing since the 1990s to make up recruitment numbers: recruit Commonwealth citizens from poorer countries. Which doesn't do those countries any good, losing their best people, but that's neo-colonial resource extraction for you. Notice that all the sicky biffs in the video were British born young people. 🙄

[@HayMaker-tv2dm]

I know those injuries its called be on pay vacation its like PTSD the Ukrainians are for 10 years in the most intense combat and i never saw them talk about being crazy of the melon its all about money and the good love for the country ofcourse the money is god, nation, pride. Western countries need to pass to hard times to give a new sense of what they have and how good they are. The majority of this injuries is just to get pay at home, payed vacation and maybe a pension at 30 years until leaving the world. The PTSD its another fake invention now all soldiers have them even some ones that never saw battle they just eard a bullet 200 meters away thats enough im all brain dead i want attention i want everybody to pull the red carpet and is always when they come home and see that they are just iqual to their conpatriots not better thats what they wanted

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

I've worked with Ukrainians and they've all described having depression to me. And I don't believe for one minute that they are all dedicated to fighting for their country - plenty of them have got out of Ukraine to avoid fighting and plenty are undermining the war effort through epic corruption. The more I read your comment the more I suspect you're a Ukrainian yourself, aren't actually in Ukraine and are trying to make yourself feel better at our expense. This kind of behaviour will backfire on you at some point.

[@amazin7006]

​@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp in 2019 even before the invasion, Ukraine had the 2nd highest population of people willing to fight for the country in all of Europe. So you are wrong. The only country with a higher percentage was Finland, and if you know anything about Finnish culture (since the Winter war, there is a culture of "total defense" in Finland) every civilian in Finland is dedicated to militarily defend against a Russian invasion. 74% of Finns would fight and die for their country, while 64% of Ukrainian would. Meanwhile only 27% of British are willing to fight for their country. The more I read your comment the more I suspect you're a Russian yourself, aren't actually English and are trying to undermine Europe and the West at our expense. This kind of behavior will backfire on you at some point. Go ahead and read the "vulkan files" and read about how Russian bots fueled Brexit. You're a puppet to your country's greatest enemy.

[@charliecook-pt6gu]

a recruitment crisis lol try reforming how things are done i wouldn't sign up for the lower forms of military even if you had a gun to my head and offered double pay.

[@wacojones8062]

US Army for 27 years' service 2 active the rest in reserves as an Instructor/Drill Sgt. at different times. In the Brigade in basic 1971 2 dead serious respiratory infection barracks like ice boxes to slow the spread massive antibiotics use to stop the spread of what we called the Green Crude. 2 dead killed guarding payroll building with only baseball bats. Standard part of training 2-hour shifts on 4 off over 24 hours. My company cycle was the following week we were armed to the teeth. I was on crutches for one third of basic due to a twisted ankle. No sports gear running in the rain boots pants t-shirts Ft. Lewis WA. After my 27 years in I found out I had asthma and I had the symptoms most of my life and just gutted through the runs breathing deep as I could and not dropping out of the runs. At 73 now my right leg is a mess from falls with back problems from falls starting when I fell 15 feet off a nailed-on board ladder on a tree that failed when I was about 7 years old. The draft at the time I went in took anyone who was breathing and not bleeding on the floor. Good to see the effort the team is making to get ahead of the problems facing new recruits who do not have the freedom to leave the house at dawn and come home to eat at sunset like I had when I was growing up in a small town.

[@SpencerHHO]

Isn't well documented and well-known that much of the training regimes used are just simply terrible? And only exist because of fragile ego's in a toxic culture? I have no idea personally but I've seen credible evidence from public sources stemming from reviews done by independent parties and there is an overwhelming number of anecdotes from former and current service men and women attesting to this from multiple countries.

[@garydonoghue4565]

This wouldn’t be an issue if they reduced the fitness requirements even more..

[@Ben-uw8wx]

Dont give them ideas

[@amazin7006]

Fitness requirements were never lowered in the first place. A new test was made which was actually harder for everyone, which was then tailored for certain groups to have better efficiency.

[@DavidKelly-km9mu]

COMMENT: the video demonstrates the impact of generational level of quality of food, in terms of minerals etc from the soil, as a depletion of such nutritional critical is a physical requirement that leads to injury, in analysis; there are some mitiations, utilising natural "superfoods" and nutrient dense food stuffs. Though I do note that in certain situations, injury and recovery are an integral step in the process of development of body consciousness, as a function of maturity thereof. It appears that a case of ergonomics is critical, to the man machine interface... go figure.

[@Monkey-ud8bw]

Tell me you don’t work for ESS, without telling me, you don’t work for ESS.

[@renatosureal]

How about .... HIRING FITTER conscripts ???

[@drbendover7467]

The Playstation generation:)

[@bountyhuntermk2520]

Utter nonsense

[@alexanderperry1844]

Political correctness. 😊

[@adventureworlduk]

Soft generation

[@mihalich7740]

Very interesting scientific news! Thanks.