New Seat Mii electric FULL REVIEW - going all the way EV - Autogefühl

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[@matthewbenton1630]

2:11 according to an old fullychargedshow review of the E-UP, it was designed to be both petrol and electric from the start, which is probably why the Mii works so well now that battery energy density has basically doubled. Great review Brian, your enthusiasm for this car has got me considering a lease on a Mii.

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[@minuslr]

The driving dynamic will be so much smoother and fun than petrol / gas

[@peterlewis3540]

So it should be, at a car costing close on £20ooo here in the Uk. That kind of money gets you behind the wheel of a low mileage Fiesta ST, or even a brand new pre registered one. £20ooo is still far far too expensive.

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[@dlittlester]

Well done, Brian. I've liked these cars from the start. All you need and nothing more. They don't sell them in my country, unfortunately.

[@Ferni74]

You said everything that had to be said about this clever car ! Love your work ; )

[@fachadolid3030]

Renault electric car = 29000 euros Seat mii electric = 17000 euros The mii is totally worth it

[@fredyyfredfreddy]

That IS cheap

[@mgammeren]

The Renault is a bit bigger and has a bigger battery= more range. But for a second/city car this is a great car to have.

[@fachadolid3030]

@@mgammeren plus the renault you dont own the batteries

[@mgammeren]

@@fachadolid3030 You can buy it with the batteries so you have a choice with Renault.

[@savedfaves]

He said 18000, no?

[@Garstonk]

Brilliant review, great presentation, well done.

[@Pipsicle330]

Unless I missed the mention, the e-UP! was around for ages. So VW has just recycled it with SEAT badges. I would say this is probably now my favourite electric car, covers about 90% of most daily journeys, nice and compact and on the cheaper scale to buy. Perfect city runaround.

[@rocketman4315]

You are partly right, but they did substantially increase the battery pack though!

[@paname514]

tesla model s has also been around for ages and tesla keeps recycling its crap even in 2021

[@AlexF931]

I was working for VW in 2016 and watching the video felt like being in an eUp! Btw loved your video ❤️ and how you described exactly what I would like to hear !! Especially when you mentioned the halogen lamps, you got my attention till the end👏👏 Very good work !!

[@autogefuehl]

👌

[@cimonj]

Best Mii Electric review so far.. Thank You!

[@robingoergner725]

Nice review Brian! First you gave us the Taycan review and now the Mii electric. We may have to start calling you "Mr. Electric"! I like this car. Simple, practical design and a useful range. I'm a big fan of cars that are no larger than they need to be and especially electric cars. It looks like it will get the job done and I think that will appeal to a lot of people. Cheers!

[@autogefuehl]

=)

[@Godspeed19961]

looks like it is from 2010

[@autogefuehl]

Thats because the base is :)

[@pawefiett2468]

I checked the publish date ahead of watching this! Halogen lights...

[@Godspeed19961]

@@autogefuehl ok so why would anyone buy an electric car with a 10 year old base? Electric cars should be innovative and exciting imo. And btw I own a seat

[@Lerppunen]

They wanted to cut costs at all.. costs. Also they probably couldn’t care less if this sells at all. Very hard to make a profit selling cheap electric cars.

[@worldolivier]

But customers won't care a lot about it... as it's cheap and practical

[@gery4870]

Superb explanation Brian !!! Thanks for the vid !!

[@autogefuehl]

thanks pal !

[@ronaldderooij1774]

The Renault Zoe tells us that battery heat management has to be up to perfection if you want to enjoy the (almost) full capacity for many years, especially in colder climates. Car testers really should learn to mention the details on that. The car seems a good proposition.

[@ThorRavnsborg]

Yes, the lack heat management and liquid cooling of the battery is most likely going to have some negative impact on longevity of the battery but it should actually be a bigger problem down the line in warm climates than in cold. It's typically overheating which causes excessive degradation of the battery. However, low temperatures will always decrease the present range no matter if the battery is new or near the end of its life. In other words a cold battery sucks if you need to drive far right now and very hot a battery will make it degrade faster and shorten your maximum range more in the future. It's also worth noting that a battery which is either too cold or too warm will have crippled fast charging capabilities so you might have to wait significantly longer for it to charge (using a fast charger) if the battery starts overheating or it's too cold. However, the battery will problably still last a good number of years and I agree that this car looks like great value if you need a little daily driver especially if you mainly drive in the city and mostly charge it at home. Just don't expect it to be suitable for longer motorway trips unless you have a lot of patience.

[@mryorkshire3623]

Another excellent and thorough review. I think more manufacturers should focus on the city car for ev's. Surly this is where the mass market lies.

[@autogefuehl]

cheesr !

[@pawefiett2468]

Well recuperation in B mode is stronger then level 3 of recuperation in D mode. At least that's how it works in e-golf

[@erikkrols9999]

Great review. Love it.

[@Arishu666]

Would have been interesting how the thermal management of the battery is executed.

[@emilianomontanari283]

Joshua Metzner no thermal management at all and no need cause the not-so-fast-fast-charge. Previous models (e up) never had an issue.

[@Andi_mit_E]

Great Video! Greetings from Germany!

[@autogefuehl]

best greetings!

[@DeadlyDestructive]

Please use cm or meters and not feets. They are not telling anything to me.

[@thomasjburns100]

This channel is viewed by people in the UK, Ireland, USA where we use feet and inches in general as opposed to metric for height. So please keep using imperial in addition to metric to be inclusive to everyone.

[@TheSynecdoche]

@@thomasjburns100 UK and Ireland have been metric for many years now (since the 1970's) and nobody in the USA is interested in a midget car like this.

[@cros13]

@@thomasjburns100 *cough*.... excuse me.... I'm Irish... we use metric only. Don't lump us in with the UK.

[@Kuemmernis66]

Hey Brian, great review, you‘re pleasant to listen to. I have to criticize that you are using the unit feet on a channel called Autogefühl. If you want to use it, fair enough, but you should add the number in centimeters then. It‘s a bit disappointing that you don‘t make that effort.

[@autogefuehl]

thanks! We usually try to use both metric and imperial system

[@cepaposible]

If you take into account the total cost of ownership (purchase, maintenance, energy), this is the cheapest car you can buy. Cheaper than a Dacia Sandero at 8.000€ but with expensive gas, oil and parts bills.

[@verliebt3465]

i'd say bullshit to that. this Mii costs 3 times as much as that Dacia, and you're assuming this Electric car will never need repairs or spare parts. i'd bet the Electric motor and battery in this are a lot more expensive to replace than the Engine and gearbox in the Dacia. and you'll have to go more often to the dealer to repair the Mii, since all that Tech means regular service shops might not be locked out by the manufacturer. you need to also factor in charging at home. if it's your first Electric car you'll have to install a transformer of some sort to be able to charge it in a sane amount of time. usually Electric cars take ages to charge from a normal Power outlet. even without that, fuel, Engine oil and regular maintanence won't end up costing twice the purchase price over lets say 10 years even. and if you want to trade it in after 5 years for the newer/better model, then you'll lose about half it's value at least. with the Dacia you'll lose 4-5000 euros but the mii will have cost you 13-14.000 just in depreciation. that alone is a lot of fuel and spare parts. just look at the price of a new nissan leaf and compare it to one that's 3-4 years old.

[@cepaposible]

@@verliebt3465 In my calculations I took the cost of Sandero vs Mii over 200.000km. So most of their life. I assumed no repairs necessary on both cars, just maintenance parts like spark plugs, oil filters, timing belt and clutch for the Sandero. Given its complexity, it is easier to have repair bills on a combustion engine than in the electric. But I forgave that. The highest cost is gasoline. Well over the price of the vehicle for making those 200k kilometres. I didn't apply Government subsidies but those make the Mii even better. On selling the car in 5 years maybe you are right today about depreciation, but at some point in the next decade (maybe in 5 years) no one is going to want to buy a combustion car. Many cities will restrict combustion engines. So depreciation is also a high risk for a gasoline car given the shift that is coming.

[@verliebt3465]

@@cepaposible the sandero has a claimed WLTP fuel consumption of 6.6 liters/100km, so in real Life 7-8 liters, depending where you live would be as high as 21-24.000 euros(1,5 euros per liter) just in fuel. but you can get it as a diesel too in some countries. also depending where you live you might have to pay to charge the car, that would be much less than fossil fuel but would still cost. for the general maintenance spark plugs every 60.000 km or 100.000 if you buy premium ones, oil&filter depends also on your country since in some countries they reccomend changing oil + filter sooner than in other ones, for example on my old Mazda 2, in russia every 12.000km or 1 year while in sweden every 20.000 km or 1 year, whichever comes first, over 200.000 km that would vary greatly. timing belts are rather easy to change, takes a few minutes.and the belts themselves are not that expensive. the clutch if you're not carefull is a consumable part, like brake pads, some people can change those every year, others might make the whole 200.000km with the factoy one. the thing i don't know is how long is the battery pack in the mii supposed to last. there will be a degradation over time / mileage / charging cycles. you need to factor in the number of years you'd use the car for, not just distance. you can get free service for the first 3 years usually, or the warranty on some cars is not tied to the distance covered, only the age of the car. also much easier to keep going in a fossil fuel car that takes 5 minutes to "recharge" than having to wait 40-60 minutes at a charging Place. there is this guy called Bjørn Nyland, a norwegian youtuber who owns a tesla, it's his 3rd tesla i think and used the models S and X as delivery cars i suspect, and he managed 200.000km in like 3-4 years with each 1 of those i Think. anyway, he had a lot of problems with his teslas, so i'm not very Confident in the reliability of the Electric car in general. he's not the only tesla youtuber to have had big issues with his car. and the biggest drawback imo is that making the batteries is far from eco friendly. just look on KZbin how they mine in africa the raw metals for the lithium batteries.

[@fintrollpgr]

​ Verliebt Currently the price for the Mii is about 16000€ in practice. In many countries even less. For example in Paris it could be as low as 11000€.. Battery price is hard to predict but it has 8 years of warranty, more than you will get on your engine/gearbox combo in your Dacia. Electric motors are much simpler than fuel burning engines and very rarely fail. Nor do they degrade like "regular" engines. Actually lifetime expectancy is much longer than the lifetime of the car. And charging at home takes ages indeed, but you sleep usually for at least 7 hours so not really an issue. And in some countries (like in as stated in the video for Spain) the home charger is included in the price. Even then as you have min 7 hours to charge you don't really need it, and prices are about 1000€ installed which is not cheap but not horribly expensive either. Moreover you can still use it with your next electric car. And then there are things like fuel costs, electric cars are in general at less than a 1/3 of the price to run than a similar fuel car. Yearly car tax is lower or zero in some countries. Even if you would lose 10000€ on depreciation more than on the Dacia (which is unlikely as the Dacia will have a close to zero resale value in your 10 year examples) you will still make that back in maintenance fees, taxes and fuel costs. For example I changed my diesel car to electric. My fuel cost went from 160€/month to 16€. Yearly tax dropped by a whopping 800€. Maintenance is 100€ less a year, and car inspection fee is 35€ less per year too. That is ~222€/month or ~2663€/year. Insurance is cheaper also, and the government already announced a price hike for fossil fuels for next year. So even not taking that in account I would save close to 21500€ in running costs over 8 years before I would even have to worry to have to pay for a new battery. And 8 years from now my car probably will have some resale value still, unlike the Dacia. I am keeping my old car as back-up (thanks to a handy local thing as temporary unregistration) as already now I was not getting any useful trade-in value. For a Mii which has the same battery warranty a similar calculation might be true. And you would not have to worry about this growing trend of low emission or congestion zones in cities (which from an ecological standpoint are close to useless but a new popular way to tax people) with all their related costs that currently exempt electrical cars. So if we take your depreciation example and assume both cars can be sold at 3000€ in 8 years from now. And let's assume you have the absolute shittiest price for the Mii at 21000€. And no big repair bills of either car, assuming the are both wonderfully reliable. You lose 5000€ deprecation on the Dacia, and 18000€ on the Mii. However you saved 21500€ in running costs. So you're still 3500€ better of with the Mii. A more likely scenario however is that you get your Mii at 17000€, your resale value is about 4000€ 8 years from now, the Dacia's resale ~1000€. Then we're looking at 7000€ depreciation on the Dacia, 13000€ on the Mii and 8500€ savings or a whole new Sandero in that period. I know why I did what I did. And yes there are lots of issues with Teslas. As Tesla makes imho horribly bad cars (with fantastic drivetrains though), and cannot be taken as a benchmark for reliability. But however, none of the usual Tesla issues are battery, engine or drivetrain related. The Leaf for example is about the most reliable car you can get (although there have been a few issues with the first gen batteries in hot climates). But in general the electrical cars on the market have been proven to be more reliable than their fuel burning siblings. And battery production is not so ecofriendly indeed. Recycling and reuse however is starting to pick up and improves the situation. In general there is still a environmental benefit to electrical cars, however I will admit it is not the miracle that it is often touted it is in the media and by "green" politicians.

[@MrSparklespring]

@@fintrollpgr Good and thorough analysis. Thanks!

[@boyuanzhu9421]

Full Halogen Headlight in 2019???

[@CLEnforcer]

Going to order one tomorow. Here in the netherlands the Mii+ cost around 24.000 euro or 360 euro a month.

[@alfrredd]

17800€ in Spain before government incentives which means you could buy it for around 14000€ .

[@72kap]

If you dont use your mobile or want to listen to the radio what other ways can you listen to music? Also is the mobile phone connected by Bluetooth or does it have a USB port? Thanks

[@thomassrensen9423]

Great great review!!! The car - I really like it. It is not pretending to be something it is not 🤔 The price is high compared to the current gasoline.. For that price I would consider the new Toyota Yaris Hybrid. Please continue to make such good reviews 👍 Kr Thomas in Denmark

[@autogefuehl]

tak!

[@tbnzet]

It's actually a very impressive price for the battery size. 70% more battery capacity than the old e-up (which will also be updated now) at a lower price! Do try both the hybrid and an electric car. There's nothing like driving a full electric car :)

[@V10PDTDI]

I wish that we would get any VAG group version of this car here in Canada sad ... it’s low price and practical nature.

[@kevinn1158]

Brian trying to make a box interesting. Well I watched the whole video so bravo. Since this makes no engine noise can you make the engine noise for us Brian? With gear shifts please.

[@autogefuehl]

😎

[@WabbitCrouton]

@5:08 Wait, when did the VAG group add those strings to the rear shelf??? Ever since the first Up!s/Miis/Citigos were released, whole forum threads were written how to DIY those stupid shelf-strings VAG didn't bother to add them. For me it is a safety matter: How often was the shelf stuck in the Up! position when driving away because of some stupid penny-saving?

[@autogefuehl]

Yes good point !!

[@royc8587]

Coming from an UP GTI, its missing the multi function steering wheel. The Phone holder has become a problem as Phones are now Larger than what the phone cradle can hold. I like My Up and can happily do 220 km with 55 mpg doing 60-70 mph alone so there and back. DOes this one have a heated screen? the only thing they sadly missed out on with the gti. Sadly its from £19,300 in the UK

[@cosimopiovasco8196]

Very nice review! I currently own a Skoda Citigo 1.0 75 hp. It costed me roughly € 9.500.-, and my consumption figures are 4,9 l/100 km. Moreover, I get a range of 750 km. with ease... Should I consider that electric Mii?. Not sure, about that. If I only wanted to use for daily conmuting, it could be a reasonable car... but I use my Citigo also for long trips (and it does them pretty well, as it is comfy and well composed on the highway). Less than 260 km. of range seems to be rather short. Of course, the electric car has some very interesting features and adventages: less maintenance issues, automatic gearing (or the lack of gearing at all!), silent engine... all in all, I'd choose the more affordable acquisition price, the way more extended range, and the peace of mind of having plenty of gas stations (electric load post are rather scarce here in Spain). And a final note: for those saying it's an old design, and car... well, I have to admit that the Mii-Citigo-UP! are is not the funkiest baby cars, but they are rather pleasant, balanced, gentle and with inner space and boot capacity almost unsurpassed on its class. Thery are perfects little roundabouts!

[@autogefuehl]

thanks for the feedback!

[@nigel.w]

I think this will sell...assuming you own the battery, unlike the Renault Zoe. I don't think many people will care that it's not a new platform. In fact, I personally see the advantages of the more old school approach. Personally, I also think doing away with in-car entertainment and integrating the car with your phone via apps is the way to go! But it's unlikely that most manufacturers will want to go that way because the bigggest thing that dates modern cars is the infotainment console, and that dating is a pime motivation for people to want new cars. I also think that more manufacturers of electric cars need to target the city car market. I don't want an electric super car, I want a big naturally-aspirated special engined super car. But for nipping to the shops, getting a takeaway, going to the post office, going to work within the same city, etc, I want something like this, and frankly, I couldn't care less about the age of the platform. What I don't want is to have to spend twice as much money for a ultility car. Of course, if you are looking for an electric car as your only car, you may want something bigger with more range, greater comfort and faster, which also makes you think you're part of the future. Horses for courses! For the likes of myself, I want an electric solution to satisfy inner city regulations and short journeys. I don't want the hassles of doing long trips in an electric car or look forward to electric sports cars. If I did, right now the only realistic solution would be a Tesla at a much much much higher price, because not only do they offer the performance characteristics I want, but they are the ones investing in infrastructure. The main reason other makers are struggling to enter the market largely created by Tesla is because the infrastructure is severely lacking for anything other than Tesla, and even the Tesla network in the US has got along way to go. Lastly, this technology is in its infancy. IMO, you need to have a lot of spare cash to buy a poorly-made but expensive Tesla that is merely a transportation appliance and that will be obsolete in five years, probably less. Cars like this Seat Mii-electric meet the greatest need right now, which is city cars that have zero emissions at the so-called tail-pipe at a reasonable price.

[@savedfaves]

The pricing here in Ireland will be €0 because the Mii electric, the e-UP and the Citigo electric are not being released here. I don't get why, because they are all being released next door in the UK and we have use the came charging plugs and small cars are popular here. Seems like a no-brainer to include us. But alas.

[@dsthorp]

I really prefer the knobs over a touch screen.

[@cristibanciu1981]

Really good presentation. You did not said about the instantly couple on starting that gives you maximum power from the start and helps you to have agile drive in the city.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏

[@SuperMrObserver]

so it's 18k before any incentives? yes looks old & stuff but if you can get it for 10k then it"s a good deal

[@JMB1891]

Only a limited 3yr warranty, not sure how you’d pay £10k, more like £15-16K

[@Reason077]

The propulsion is modern. The styling looks like it's from about 2006.

[@afghannhanji9556]

I have the same Car But my problem is That Epc light is on and it say Press the brake And put the Car in driving mode and after alt that the Car doz not give any reaction When i Press the gass

[@CaptButtonMash]

Nice car, but forget the WLTP values. A Danish motorway test at 110 kmph showed a max range of 160 km.

[@energiavadasz3328]

Does it have a heat pump heater?

[@peterhulla]

I am still thinking what is the difference between D and B modes when you can still use recuperation in both modes...?

[@autogefuehl]

B is the hardest recuperation

[@creosl]

heat pump?

[@Santeri_M]

nope

[@primoholzfeller8844]

Are led light more Eco? Does the car use less energy with leds or normal lights?

[@autogefuehl]

LED use less

[@edcooper2396]

they're marginally more efficient, but not enough to actually make any more than a mile of range difference.

[@Just.Bored.86]

I love the phone holder that suits well with car, rest seems built by old seat cars :) (that horrible air vent)

[@mariapentari5725]

Lovely car!!😍

[@emilianomontanari283]

Why don’t you let us see the lane assistant on work :)

[@DudeAutonomy]

I like the e-up nose clip a little better...

[@CamcorderSteve]

How many petrol stations have a facility for charging up these cars and how long will it take to re fuel? As you said, probably not a car for doing long distances on motorways.

[@AntiViGames]

Most people will use the car and plug in at home tbh

[@Mizaeducation]

I thought it's an old old model 😂

[@paname514]

same as tesla model S

[@hauptmann25]

The car looks great but the wheel turning ratio reminds me of really old cars. It really needs alot of steering for getting about roundabouts.

[@metricstormtrooper]

Does it come with leather interior?

[@autogefuehl]

Why should it? First, check out what the leather industry is trying to do: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs Below this video you'll find more resources in the pinned comment to explain the topic even more in-depth.

[@geraldsitorus]

in Netherlands this is 24k vs the standard mii starting at 13k. almost double...

[@yugen042]

It's going to be around double anywhere, that's the initial price you pay to get into electric at the moment.

[@tbnzet]

Yes, it is more expensive, but it will be cheaper to run and have cheaper maintenance.

[@AntiViGames]

Wait for a second hand one

[@TheDuvee6]

Can I retrofit my petrol Mii? Maybe an EV-conversion company might do it.

[@hervelouon5516]

Are you serious?

[@TheDuvee6]

@@hervelouon5516 Some EV conversion companies retrofit classic cars. They might do a petrol Mii since there's a production electric Mii to model it on. It wouldn't be as well finished as the real electric Mii but it would be a lot cheaper

[@AntiViGames]

@@TheDuvee6 actually EV converstion is probably going to cost a lot more than you might think. It would be cheaper to sell his current car and purchase a new electric one

[@expatbiker6598]

This car would be perfect for me. Cars are just a means to an end for me.

[@folk.]

thumb up for this host

[@autogefuehl]

thanks, keep tuning in!

[@volvo245]

Tried ordering one, all sold out in my country and no idea if we will ever get more. Oh well.

[@hervelouon5516]

Which country ?

[@volvo245]

@@hervelouon5516 Finland. The local SEAT only ordered 250, they were sold in less than a week when the news of their reduced price (16k with their and the goverments subsidies) was announced. They told me they doubt they can get any more of these ever since the model was discontinued.

[@mrlover4310]

It's nice I didn't make it look like futuristic just standard normal car that's great I'm happy I will not be buying it for 18000

[@alfonsodriver1324]

To meet new CO2 regulations, car makers are replacing unprofitable baby petrol cars (irony: some of the most eco-friendly breed of car) with small electric cars.

[@LouRaX]

AlfonsoDriver they will be the friendliest because small battery

[@Iowfrequency]

Literally what a Ford dealer told me when I asked about the Ka+ 2 months ago..

[@EngineeringNibbles]

@@LouRaX if a small car with 30kwh does 30,000 km in its life then it's still worse off than a model 3/id3 doing 100,000+ on a 50/70kwh battery Electric cars win big by doing many km because that's where you save a lot on gas

[@pioneer7777777]

@@EngineeringNibbles What kind of 30kwh car can only do 30,000km in its lifetime? There are 24kwh LEAFs with 150,000+ km easy.

[@legnums2292]

This particular review is not up to the level we've come to expect from autogefuhl Probably you didnt have time or all of this info will appear in new vw eup video but still, you should have adressed it. Open road driving is minimal Highway driving is missing (noise, acceleration, consumption, range at highway speeds) Speed of charging missing (at what percentages does it throttle, can you set up charging times, whats the max charge rate at fast charger) Ev specific info missing (heat pump, aircon power usage, battery cooling/heating) Lane keep system not tested. You said its good but didnt show a thing, why? About the car, seems almost ideal little ev. Too bad it doesnt offer adaptive cruise, those systems are very cheap nowdays and there isnt any reason not to equip the car with it, every suzuki model offers it.. But i guess they didnt want it to eat into id3 sales.

[@sulzer1110]

1:11 - Skoda SissiGo :)

[@Morimikmo]

In finland, this car is almost free. About 15000 eur

[@UniversalControl]

15000 Euros is "almost free"? Interesting.

[@Morimikmo]

Jan B. Because being electric car doesnt add almost any extra costs. If i spent 400eur per month to petrol per month, then this car 200e/kk leasing + electric cost is almost nothing

[@00Foxhound]

@@UniversalControl well to us finns 15k is almost free

[@thunderbolt4741]

The electric version is more than that. About 23 500 euros after taxes in Finland.

[@Morimikmo]

@@thunderbolt4741 no its not, first 250 pieces its about 15000e because goverment and seat gives some extra discounts

[@hamirah9693]

For that amount of money no LED headlights?

[@stephenphoenix-roberts9447]

Really good car but range is the limiting factor for me.

[@autogefuehl]

260 km or 160 miles is actually quite decent for a car of that size

[@stephenphoenix-roberts9447]

True but I drive with my job if they ever hybrid it I buy it tomorrow. 350 miles a day sometimes.

[@nevarran]

@@autogefuehl Indeed. This is made as either a second car, or a city car. I highly doubt my mother, for example, has done more than 200km in a single trip with her car.

[@mongini1]

Das war jetzt weird... ich schau das Thumbnail an und denk mir so... warum wird mir ein review aus 2010 angezeigt... bis ich dann relisiere dass das ding neu ist. Jetzt mal ohne flax... wie kommt man im jahre 2019 auf die idee Halogen-Scheinwerfer einzubauen? und zu allem überfluss bei einem Elektrofahrzeug? Muss ich nicht kapieren.... Wird zeit dass der ID3 kommt

[@autogefuehl]

Das Paket ist schon gut mit Preis und Reichweite. Neue Scheinwerfer hätte man aber wirklich spendieren können.

[@mongini1]

@@autogefuehl 20.000 ist schon OK. Zumal der Akku dazu gehört. Aber LED Scheinwerfer und etwas moderneres Design wäre schon schön gewesen.

[@mongini1]

@@autogefuehl schließlich ist der Mii schon 7 Jahre alt, und das sieht man leider.

[@JMB1891]

Premium price for a very dated vehicle, still cheaper than VW equivalent but all feels very basic. Had a Mii and while good to drive it was absolutely horrendous in the winter, never had to scrape ice from inside a car before!

[@emiliendurand640]

Let's be honest it's une only city electric car you really need.

[@shroomyesc]

I don't understand taking such an old design and giving it a new powertrain. I had thought the Mii and Citigo were going to be thrown out the door considering their age by now but they're giving them EV powertrains? And they're so horribly outdated compared to rivals like the new Hyundai i10. Not even giving it a facelift? It just looks so bland and boring and anonymous like almost all seats have done for the last 10 years. Oh and one of the fog lamps is on crooked.

[@WonkoTheSaneUK]

They were going to be ended, but then VW realized that the replacement (ID.1?) won't be ready until at least 2023. Thus, the triplets (Mii, Citigo & Up) have been resurrected to fill the gap.

[@paname514]

So is tesla keeping the antique model s and putting new motors in it, except the model S costs nearly 10 times more.

[@GTAPresident]

fire the designers

[@DanRyzESPUK]

The car is from 2010 and they´ve recycled the design for electric. If they went for new fashionable car then you have the Honda E for €33k.

[@isoconfused8744]

"lowest possible price" yet the Citigo Ev is 17k...the Mii is 20k, the up is 23k

[@Aladdinlt]

When can we expect Tarraco PHEV review? :)

[@autogefuehl]

as soon as we can get one :)

[@Aladdinlt]

Autogefühl Do you have any clue? :)

[@julioo534]

C class & E class

[@JaymzSim]

Kudos to you for driving in Madrid at that time of day. Horrible stuff.

[@Deuxiit]

This screams im poor. Looks like early 2000s cars. What is the road noise with all that plastic interrior? Any db reading yet?

[@savedfaves]

Warren Buffet drives an average priced car.

[@Deuxiit]

@@savedfaves not everyone is Warren Buffet. And i would not call 2014 Cadillac XTS and average car since its classed as luxury car. How did you choose Warren car for you example because its pretty far of from poor looking car.

[@carlostejada6782]

I have this car and is very quiet. Lots of plastics indeed but very well put together. This car delivers what it promises, and with government subsidies it costed me under 14k€ which I think is a very good deal.

[@sergtv9638]

It’s like skoda yeti ev)))

[@PKGTI]

No, as a matter of fact it's (almost) exactly like Škoda's CITIGO ͤ iV...

[@whitewalker9622]

26000 euros in Sweden, to expensive for this type of car. Still gonna buy fossil..

[@Santeri_M]

Really? How? In Finland it's 18 000€. Would have thought that Sweden would have similar prices

[@whitewalker9622]

@@Santeri_M :o

[@minniesaab7255]

❤❤❤

[@sripatify]

"Rapid" charging averaging to a bit over 22 kW?! Sorry, but that's not rapid at all. I really hope that's false news.

[@christill]

I think they should have kept the battery size as the old e-up was and reduced the price. As a former original Zoe and now Smart EQ owner, the range is more than enough for the driving I do, and also the driving that pretty much anyone buying this car will do. This thing is now capable of long road trips with no real problems. People forget how many more, better chargers there are now compared to just a few years ago. Those shorter range cars are now incredibly usable. They get better and better over time. So yeah, this thing is way too expensive, boring and old design, no infotainment.

[@julius9682]

Black or white color would look much better for this car, sad that it’s only shown in this metallic look

[@jesusmonge]

Lástima, el 17 de julio encargué el mío, ayer 13 de agosto de 2020 me llamaron para decirme que no saben la fecha de fabricación de mi coche, para el 2020 no y del 2021..... Una completa desilusión!!!.

[@kilojoule11]

This car looks like it was designed in the late 90s.

[@siong3800]

I know right.

[@fist003]

the seat miie

[@paname514]

Ab 5.870 Euro im Frankreich mit alle Kaufprämien (unter Bedingungen - nur arme Leute). Das wirklich billigste Auto auf dem Markt. From €5870 after incentives in France (conditions apply - poor people only). The cheapest real new car you can ever get.

[@autogefuehl]

wow! How does that work?

[@paname514]

@@autogefuehl This price specifically applies to the Škoda Citigo since the Mii is slightly cheaper. High-end Style trim costs €22870. State electric car incentive: €6000 but limited to 27% of the car's price, so only €5832 for the base model. State old car scrappage scheme: €2500, increased to €5000 for poorer households under specific conditions. Case of Grand Paris area: electric car incentive for the scrappage of an old car: €6000. That's up to €6000 + 5000 + 6000 of incentives for the high-end trim! But poor households can hardly afford that anyway, and thir priority is not to buy a very small car with a very small range and slow charging - because it's their only car and most have to be able to travel longer distances and transport some luggage and people. It seems in some parts of Italia, by cumulating state, regional and local incentives, you can also reach a price close to €6000.

[@Jacobme.]

No LED lights...

[@thunderbolt4741]

Gidas G. It’s not only that LED lights are brighter but they are also more energy efficient and don’t burn out like halogens tend to do. So it is more convenient for the owner when they don’t have to be replacing the lights every now and then.

[@Progan666]

e-up

[@x3merx3mer]

Why would they waste new tech into this ancient design?

[@WonkoTheSaneUK]

It's not "new" tech. This is literally the 2012 VW e-Up with a bigger battery and a SEAT badge.

[@tomfu6210]

Why redesign what works?

[@paname514]

Just like tesla does on its 100000 Euro model S? at least Skoda has the excuse of offering the cheapest electric car ever on the market because it keeps costs down.

[@x3merx3mer]

@@tomfu6210 well then they all should've stopped developing cars in the 80s.

[@x3merx3mer]

@@paname514 all of them - skoda, vw and seat itself, have much better looking cars already developed (for a while now), so why would you pick the ugliest/oldest looking one to be their first electric representative?

[@st_us]

This car cost VW nothing to develop. What a bunch of loosers!! Get a Benzin car, install an ev System with batteries, adjust the can Bus. Done.

[@tomarmstrong1281]

They are stopping production.

[@IronicIrony.]

2008 car

[@paname514]

same as tesla model S

[@ioblings]

I never thought to say this but is this really a review or an advertisement?! I love the channel mostly because of your impartiality, but I'm disappointed about this one. There's really no reason to be so hyped about this model in my opinion and the choice to reveal the price only at end, after all those mentions, is no different. Anyway halogen lamps in 2020 are unacceptable safety wise and this is enough to discard this car

[@autogefuehl]

Brian very well presented the pros and cons of this car as usual. This car will have the best ratio of price/range of all standard manufacturers

[@tomfu6210]

Safety wise?! Sorry, but you are easy to hype, aren't you?

[@ioblings]

Tom Fu definitely not. I drive a lot and there's an enormous difference on the visual between halogen and xenon or led lights. It means you have a tremendous bigger viewing filed, you detect way better obstacles and also the eyes get tired way less. I'm surprised why in 2020 there's still no regulation to ban halogen lamps from new car. It could be somewhat ok if you drive only in very lit places, but still the difference is big anyway and the manufacturer shouldn't save on aspects related to the safety

[@tomfu6210]

@@ioblings It is a personal preference. Not mentioning issues of LED lamps like it dazzle drivers in upstream. Sometimes it is quite dangerous to drive against those cars.

[@ioblings]

@@tomfu6210 it's not a personal preference, the more and better you can see the better you can drive safely and avoid accidents. And xenon/led lamp are objectively and scientifically better, they made more light, more homogenous, deeper and wider and also the color is more natural and therefore the eyes work better. The dazzle on the drivers upstream happens only on bumps, which is the same that can happen on halogen lamps but simply is less noticeable because the make less light. On the other hand is way easier to come across cars with halogen lamps installed in the wrong way or with the beam set on the wrong height, and this is way more annoying since the blind every other driver they meet, not only on bumps. And not let's even start talking about matrix led because they're completely on another level, but this is a relatively recent technology and I get that it may be too expensive, but xenon or standard led are now quite cheap solutions for the manufacturers, especially if we consider the price the prices they're selling even small City cars nowadays, therefore they should be mandatory without any excuses (and luckily many have started installing them as standard even on small cars)

[@mastermaltese8731]

Oh look! An AAA+++ fridge from the 90's! Who would have thought!?

[@dujee]

Design is crap

[@MrSparklespring]

I'm not a VW guy at all but I think it has a quite timeless design for a small car.

[@dujee]

@@MrSparklespring that is a best thing about design, people will always have different views and opinions. In my opinion Seat played it safe with this one, it should appeal to conservative majority

[@MrSparklespring]

@@dujee Indeed

[@buzzofftoxicblog791]

Thank you electric cars have so much less parts than the old ice toxic fuelled cars must ban toxic petrol diesel should be taxed then subsidise simple electric cars #buzzofftoxic

[@Tommy78976]

This hatred makes me enjoy driving with my old downpiped diesel Merc that blows out powersmoke at electric car fanboys

[@wongbrandon]

A sad excuse for a car and resemble a KIA Picanto. Is it me or does reviewer seem to be giving a glowing review despite the car's deficits?

[@autogefuehl]

He pointed out both

[@paulhudson4254]

BS hype, it’s not more expensive to build electric, in fact it’s cheaper!

[@jaz4280]

Too small, boring, and expensive. They think that you can pay high, disproportionate price because it is electric. Just wait and see

[@Lerppunen]

People only buy electric vehicles if they are sold at a loss by the manufacturer and with government subsidies.

[@tomfu6210]

Is there any cheaper?

[@paname514]

@@tomfu6210 No, cheapest on the market

[@carlostejada6782]

But don't wait too much, because they are selling like hot cakes. In fact they have already sold the entire production for the next year.

[@peterlewis3540]

The car is still close on £20,ooo, and even with its improved range of over 100miles, that is still far too expensive. This kind of money, gets you behind the wheel of some seriously fine nearly new vehicles. Its just too expensive, even considering this is the cheapest all electric car on the market.

[@DanRyzESPUK]

You forget some added costs that combustion cars have: - More maintenance costs (especially if it´s diesel, they´re the worst). - Petrol costs, it´s around 10 to 15 times higher than electric. You may be saving €50 to €100 per month. - Tax exemptions for these cars as the combustion ones don´t have, and probably will go up for the latter in the future. - Permits to park for free in most cities, while combustion ones are receiving all the prohibitions they deserve. London for example. If you buy this car it´s because you want an urban, and for urban traffic the electric is up to 20 times cheaper on comsuption than ICE cars. An urban ICE car is going to be around €12 to €15k, only €5 less than this. In 3 to 5 years time the electric has paid by itself.

[@mattgmail5349]

This design looks old. Almost as boxy as the early 2000's Hyundai getz

[@paname514]

so does the tesla model s at 100000+ Euro