NEW SHADOW PRIEST BUILDS! | 10.0.5 Theorycrafting

[@spacepope20k]

zuco just so you know, my main dps is enh sham and my roommate's is spriest and there is a lot of subtle tech in what you're showing that is being lost in guides. we've started labbing the classes more and are both super excited for the 10.0.5 update. spriest looks incredible. you even turned me on to survival hunter :D

[@sy-ky_buddy4603]

Survival is fucking awesome, i don't care what anyone says. People let these guides and other things choose their class for them which is so strange

[@maxw565]

@@sy-ky_buddy4603 mam you're easy to please. Or never play st encounters? XD

[@texasorginal]

Don't normally have a ton of play time in the evenings, but thanks for this ! 🙏 now to make sure I'm hitting CD's.

[@brandongullion6353]

I'm really glad to see we have a reason to go to the N'Zoth side now. I actually put together a solid N'Zoth build recently that has felt good to me. Certainly not "meta" good, but it keeps up decently well. Will be fun to see how it does once we get these buffs! Thanks for the great builds!

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

Issue was that you go full single target for an aoe capstone. Now that void torrent cleaves it might be good. I certainly would prefer that instead of being too reliant on mindbender. Mindbender and his cleave is cool, no question but it‘s great that we have another capstone possibility now.

[@brandongullion6353]

@@youtubecommentsguy9805 Definitely agree! It was tough to make it work before but it feels great now.

[@ComfyChrist]

Male v Mindbender: probably have to see the numbers but if you are running psychic link and not running at least Shadowflame Prism, I would have to assume a 30s VT is more damage and insanity than mindbender.

[@ZucoWoW]

You can grab em both :)

[@fn2lee117]

Hi Zuco, Loving the content bud, it's helping a lot! May I ask though, what you would consider the easiest build to play rotation wise? I've just come back to Wow after many years and would really like to enjoy my shadow priest again, but finding it difficult to get my head around the number of buttons and procs to watch out for along with the cd's! I want to play and learn, but also don't want to be a dead weight!

[@TheVader495]

You need to press mind blast to proc your set more for Mind Sear, you're missing a ton of extra damage

[@6Uriann9]

Is one of those questions that I'm always having... Should I hold MS and do more blasts to stack the 3 procs from tier? But what if I waste a Devourer proc? Remember seeing somewhere that holding the proc or using it soon have just a bit of difference on damage... Its the thing that makes me more confuse right now on the spec. xD

[@Amniawow]

@@6Uriann9 you dont wanna hold mindsear if you have 100 insanity. So TLDR its not worth to stack 3 mind blast to get more damage on mind sear since you lose too much insanity. But I get why its confusing xD I was confused aswell

[@joeycastro5378]

So has a best build for raid and a best build for m+ been determined yet?

[@ZucoWoW]

Haha, well... I just ran a +21 with what I believe to be the best build right now...

[@ZucoWoW]

I'm gonna make a video on it soon

[@Flocked21]

I am seeing builds without Mind Sear now --- did you mess with one skipping it? Just all about that psychic link damage?!?!

[@gabrielgm244]

Depending on the dungeon and key level, it's currently possible, I play it on lower keys when i'm not pushing because it's a lot of fun. The downsides of not having mind sear: you have to refresh your dots manually if you don't want them to drop. This is the reason I don't play it on higher keys. Upside: You do a lot more priority target damage. Very mobile with all the instant procs. The playstyle: dot everything, DevouringPlague priority target and MindBlast it. MindSpike only (no mindflay ever). If you're not capped on MindBlast, it's always better to wait for more energy and DP+MB later. I'm eager to see if I can drop MindBender for a full right side of the tree build with VoidTorrent! I have variations, but it turns around that: BIQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkQikEAAAAAAAAAAAAAikokWIFIRSJJSEkWkEJSIQEJoFhkgCA

[@ShellyBBird]

Was wondering if you could do a video on the Raszageth fight? Progressing on heroic Raszageth and I was having a really rough time with all the movement. Wound up getting cut at one point so they could try with a smaller group size. I was definitely bottom damage. I do middle of the pack on all of the other fights so it’s definitely the fight. No big deal if not I just figured I’d ask. Also could you maybe explain the ideal rotation with void torrent in the build? Took it on a few single target heavy fights because of what subcreation said. Realized it feels foreign lol. Just as simple as only cast it when below 40% insanity? Thanks for the video I love it

[@Immortalis7771]

whats your build?

[@thatdangboy8267]

Would you consider making an "easy mode" or just less active button build for Shadow, or any of the other classes you play that have a ton of active buttons? I love the new talent trees but I really feel pushed into taking active spells, at least based on the builds I see online

[@ZucoWoW]

That's a tough one for S-Priest... Most of the buttons you really do need... You need a major cooldown (DA or Void Erupt)... You need Shadow Crash... You are likely going to need Void Torrent once 10.0.5 launches and Mind Bender is very strong as well... Most of the classes in the game now have a lot of buttons. WoW doesn't really have an "easy" class or spec anymore... There is nuance, and decision making that is required to maximize damage or healing.

[@thatdangboy8267]

@@ZucoWoW Yeah makes sense! I guess what I mean is like when you open your build comparison chart, spells like Halo or Mind Games (which I understand have other utility) are under 1% damage. At what point can I not worry about those spells being in my "active" rotation if they are maybe hurting my gameplay or enjoyment of the class. How rigid do we need to be with some of these builds?

[@thatdangboy8267]

Also for context I'm talking about non cutting edge content, so like normal raids, maybe some mythic 0s and low keys haha. More casual play

[@gundrar2711]

@@thatdangboy8267 BM Hunter...literally 4 buttons and lowkey is a lot of fun xD plus dmg is pretty good

[@DespiZze]

Seeing that some of the builds are close in damage on aoe, id like to see which one has the most single target damage. That might help make up my mind anyway for which to take in m+

[@ZucoWoW]

Probably the new C'Thun one because you can spec into Mind Flay: Insanity with it.

[@wille1333]

when is this update coming?

[@ZucoWoW]

Jan 24th!

[@coreywalker2020]

I read the patch notes you posted and the aura % changes looks like they are nerfing mind blast damage?

[@ZucoWoW]

There are a few abilities that are getting their ratios nerfed in PvP only...

[@ComfyChrist]

Maybe I'm insane, but my Psychic Link has always said 30/60 on the tool tip. Is this just updating the spe to the tool tip or something?

[@ZucoWoW]

Yeah, idk why it looks that way in the patch notes. There is no actual change to that number, maybe they are just updating tooltips. You're not insane :)

[@Kenjataimu888]

could you show us your item level to compare what dps you are doing with the appropriate gear please. thanks in advance

[@ZucoWoW]

Ilvl is 400. Remember only 5 targets here.

[@Ghytiees]

Do you think Mind Devourer might ever be something you can drop?

[@ZucoWoW]

Some builds, taking 1 point out of it, yes... But never both points... It's way too strong getting a full channel on Mind Sear for free.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

You need that for M+. So yogg idle is pretty much a necessity. I think now you can either go Mindbendercleave like before or nzoth idle with void torrent cleave

[@ZucoWoW]

@@youtubecommentsguy9805 If you're running Void Torrent, it generates so much Insanity that it acts like a free proc from Devourer... If you're running Malediction for a 30 second Torrent you have even more reason to lose 1 point in Mind Devourer and spend that somewhere else!

[@Ghytiees]

@@ZucoWoW this is exactly what I am thinking after messing around with it for a bit!

[@Dakielios]

Could you show the Inescapable Torment + Malediction build, + Void Eruption instead of Dark Ascension?

[@slashroar]

I have to be honest, i'm not really happy about potentially having to add an extra skill to my rotation

[@Alex876]

so what stats on gear i need

[@NewmNetwork]

Is shadow viable after the nerfs in PVP?

[@ZucoWoW]

I haven't tried it pvp, but the nerfs weren't that bad honestly... They would be perfectly fine imo.

[@NY-qb5bq]

Full AOE = clunky ST..

[@daquarius1222]

what about the mind spike / Shadow word: Death build with this new change?? o.O Drop IT and Bender, for Torrent and cd reduc on it

[@ZucoWoW]

If you're gonna run Deathspeaker, you kinda have to run Mind Bender and Inescapable... You get extra procs for Mind Bender with Death resets... Super good value and without taking both, Deathspeaker prob isn't worth.

[@honestusfitness]

The cthun build could work without the talent into the spirits