NEW Shimano 105 Di2 | The Groupset Of The People Goes Wireless!

[@gcn]

What do you make of the new Shimano 105 Di2?

[@btnacek35]

​@- Alex - Campagnolo chorus 12s 😁✌🏻

[@micahsherer7189]

Overpriced nonsense. Not a lower price point... Costs more than Ultegra di2 last gen.

[@chones_]

Just waiting for the announcement of an update to GRX DI2

[@JanStrojil]

I upgraded my 105 set last year, I just wish they came with it sooner. But I guess this one will require me to get a new frame, so maybe couple years from now.

[@annasofienordstrand3235]

Considerably more expensive than SRAM Rival AXS. No thanks.

[@patrikdallmann5648]

I have to say, I'm impressed Si managed to keep a straight face when calling the 1800€ 105 "groupset of the people".

[@dangerfulmind]

haha, acting skills come in useful when making these paid promo videos for companies.

[@wawanlapandua]

Its 1000 € in my country

[@dudaclash]

@@dangerfulmind lmao when he said it'll upset people that there is no rim-brake option because the common cyclists prioritizes "braking performance and reliability over shaving a couple of grams". Disc brakes are more expensive, fidly and just a gimmick the bike industry is trying to push. I mean team sky had to basically be forced to use them!

[@eirkro]

In other words, 105 is no longer the "peoples groupset".

[@Morowww]

Holy shit. Bikeradar listed the groupset for 1800€. My complete Bike isnt worth this much.

[@Wardawg-]

Microshift lets go

[@philiprobar]

@@Wardawg- Or SENSAH.

[@cablemodem]

105 has always been an enthusiasts group set. "The people" do not spend $2000+ on road bikes.

[@szurketaltos2693]

@@cablemodem yep, Claris is the real people's groupset IMO

[@christian3145]

Yay 105 Di2, can't wait for claris Di2 to finally afford having a Di2

[@ephramjanzen1730]

Lmao I’m in the same boat my man

[@mouwangwang7934]

🤣🤣🤣

[@DDDo1994]

claris Di2 for 2000eu and 5kg weight

[@Gaaaaaaaaaaad]

Hahahaha

[@tomgriffiths6432]

I bet the mtb’ers are looking forward to Deore2

[@christopherkelly9153]

Will stay with my Campag Record 12 speed mechanical. Pure joy to use. I need something in my life that I don’t have to recharge; my bike is it.

[@charliedillon1400]

Amen brother. Also, Campagnolo, in my opinion, is like art. Shimano works great (I ride both), but Campy is true class on any bike.

[@ianlaker9161]

Ha ha, very true! Riding my bike and not having to recharge anything is liberating. The 105 mechanical groupset on my Giant Defy works beautifully. I have Campag on my 20+ year old Casati Monza which I also love but the tighter block suited my younger legs! Both of these are certainly good enough for me, as I'm old enough to remember when the only option was friction shifters.

[@ZekeMagnar]

Is recharging really that big of a pain? You do it maybe once a month and it takes what? An hour? For what you get with electric, it's beyond worth it, IMO. Besides, have any of you actually spent quality time on a bike with electrical shifting? Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt most people would go back to mechanical after trying electric, so I wonder if this is an "outside" judgement or one based in personal experience.

[@dubplateriddim]

Cool story.

[@simonm1447]

@@ZekeMagnar it's not just the charging (I use a lot of electronic stuff and tools with Li ion batteries), but it's also the trouble shooting in the case of a problem. Mechanical derailleurs can be maintained at home, you can adjust everything and if it don't work properly you can find out why. If a wireless groupset don't work any more you can't even do measurements with a multimeter, you can just replace parts to find out which part is broken. Since I'm not a real road biker (I have hybrid bikes, but I prefer MTBs) I wouldn't buy a 105 anyways, however I couldn't imagine a wireless electronic derailleur on my MTB.

[@AlbertBuckinghamEllison]

105 Groupset of the people should be: - Affordable (under 1k) - 10/11/12 speed compatible - disk and rim brake Over pricing and under delivering. So much for appealing to the mass road cycling/amateur racing market.

[@whatwelearned]

Nonsense; discs will be all there is in the midrange soon, and inflation means your price assertion is illogical (although I agree it's too much right now).

[@alainbellemare2168]

cycling is the new golf , ski and ice hockey, getting to expensive for the mass

[@whatwelearned]

@@alainbellemare2168 But is it? You can buy a truly decent bike for £400 from Decathlon these days. Don't think what GCN shows is the whole market. You're seeing top end stuff.

[@RYTHMICRIOT]

@@alainbellemare2168 I had no idea how insane some of the stuff is. I started in 2016 with an alloy bike that cost me $800. When I upgraded in 2018 I set a budget of $3-4k and thought that was top spec money. I didn't know top spec bikes from major companies were north of $10k. Bike computers, cycling shoes, pedals, seats are all priced astronomically. Doesn't mean you can't budget, but they sure don't cater to the average joe.

[@charliedillon1400]

@@RYTHMICRIOT The industry is exploiting the pandemic/supply chain issues full on to just indiscriminately raise prices drastically. My 2017 Tarmac Elite with Ultegra only cost $2,400 five years ago. Compare that to any Tarmac in 2022 and the difference is ridiculous.

[@CommunityDeveloper]

As Simon correctly pointed out, the main reason to avoid Di2 electronic shifting is cost. This video proves that nicely. Di2 is still adding around £1,000 to a bike and those carbon wheels add nearly another £1,000. Ridiculous to describe this as a people's bike

[@Nemozoli]

They simply have a different notion as to "people", they think "people" are the ones that can afford an upgrade that costs more than my current bike.

[@TheSteinbitt]

Just buy cheaper stuff, why complain?

[@ianfranklin9482]

@@TheSteinbitt Because 105 was always the cheapest proper quality group, good enough to race on, but affordable for most.

[@appa609]

@@ianfranklin9482 The average American cannot afford an unexpected $500 expense.

[@markbayles7840]

£1730 hardly a bargain anymore. Should of just used a few generations ago's ultegra and re badged it. Saved all the tooling and testing costs.

[@anders6383]

I mean front derailer is basically last gen Ultegra.

[@adnartmadmartm8718]

They did. So they can make all the more money off of it now with a higher price!

[@johndaly846]

Grateful for my ‘22 Allez with mechanical 11-speed 105’s. Love live R7000!!

[@TboneTenEighties]

The R7000 group is fantastic. I was really hoping they left it mech and just build on that but... The R7000 was a huge improvement from the last 105 version. Was wishing for simply just more of the same. And it gets better!! no rim brakes! FFS Sucks imo

[@Joshuavoice29]

I have been waiting for this for the last couple of years. I can't believe how disappointed I am at how expensive it is. I can buy the Ultegra Di2 for virtually the same price.

[@anders6383]

Same. I am also frustrated with how many corners were cut to achieve the small discount. Using 5 year old tech for the front derailer is unacceptable at this price frankly, dropping the improved casstte tech is also BS in my opinion.

[@mxs4193]

just give it a few years for the price to drop by half (especially in the used market)

[@ahipkiss14]

SRAM the way to go

[@mikewow]

Ultegra di2 same price? Which bike brand?

[@rob-c.]

@@mikewow I assume they are talking about the groupset on its own

[@underoathuea]

"A slight premium" could mean twice the price for a mid-range bike.

[@JD.007]

yes exactly. people should hold off from buying anything really, forcing prices to come down.

[@Ody-up6kg]

Having SRAM as a viable option is a good thing for consumers. Imagine the price of Shimano if they were the only show in town!

[@minervali631]

Disc version of 105 is already quite a bit more expensive than 105 rim brake, and now we have this. 😅 I think I'm stuck with my tiagra forever, unless I win the lottery

[@littleshopofrandom685]

In the before times, a typical aluminium 105 disc bike was about $2400cdn. Non disc was $2000cdn. looking at msrp group prices (not online discounts) you are probably at $4000cdn just to get the di2 part on the same bike. So yeah, not far from double the price. In reality they will kinda mask this all by not putting it on aluminium frames at all. This is partly cause of the new di2 upgrade pricing, and partly cause of the new reality of bike pricing overall. You can expect non di2 105 (if there is one) is going to be several hundred more than the old r7020. It is a bad time to buy a bike really, if you are looking for good value.

[@aliancemd]

About that "headunit support", it applies to everything except Hammerhead - in an anti-consumer/anti-competitive move, Shimano explicitly asked them to remove the feature because Hammerhead is owned by SRAM now.

[@toutingthomas]

Awful

[@ulyssepinon9177]

Meh - It's competition

[@adnartmadmartm8718]

I would understand that if Shimano had their own headunit. But they don't.

[@toutingthomas]

@@ulyssepinon9177 What if they decide to block garmin/wahoo functionality next?

[@ulyssepinon9177]

@@toutingthomas What about it ?

[@macmausxp]

I think that they forgot the label "groupset ot the people", almost double the price of the previous generation, and don't forget the ability to swap derailleurs with others brands.... the key factor is price, it's always been price. Now this open an oportunity to look some smaller (and chinese) brands...

[@meltingslurpee]

give it a while, we will have sensah electronic. then the monopoly would be in danger

[@laurence9092]

… such as?

[@macmausxp]

@@laurence9092 sensah, microshift, ltwoo, sunrace (for cassette)

[@Millicente]

Is that label something shimano have said themselves? I've only ever heard it when GCN presenters give their opinions on it so idk. Honestly if chinese brands start making $500 electronic groupsets good for them, but most people will still end up with shimano because all the big brands will continue to use their products and the average rider is not going to go out and buy aftermarket groupsets and have them put on their bikes.

[@franciscomeggi8405]

Can’t wait to quality Chinese brands to flood the western market. Tired of all this overpriced garbage.

[@danielrussell9416]

I knew Shimano was going to do this. I ride mechanical 105 and I have an extra groupset sitting in a box. I'm good for the next ten years. Shimano, you are not understanding your customers.

[@a1white]

Good idea having a spare. My 10 year old Tiagra derailer has just started to seize up. Today, my local bike shop tells me the latest Tiagra doesn’t work well with my older Tiagra. (Shimano doesn’t tell people this, but my bike shop have noticed after fitting them that the shifting is not good). Old 10 speed 105 would work, but you can’t get it now. Thankfully they found an old 10 speed Ulegra derailer lying around, so are fitting that. Upgrade!

[@cd0u50c9]

Well played sir!

[@thaynamite]

wise man lol , should do that too and get a 2nd XT groupset lol

[@chrisjames1924]

I’ve definitely noticed a restructuring in the past 4/5 years in the cycling industry in regards to how they organise the hierarchy relative to price. A bike with Dura Ace Di2 used to come on bikes under £4000; Ultegra Di2 could be had on bikes under £2000. Both perfectly possible just a few years ago. Not now though: Dura Ace Di2 is reserved to justify the £10,000 bike boom, and Ultegra Di2 is seen on £8000 bikes. This, despite Di2 now being cheaper to manufacture and the fact Shimano must have long since recouped all the R&D costs over the course of previous iterations. There is no excuse whatsoever for the entirely arbitrary price hikes. At my local club there are guys, on low wage incomes, riding around on 10k bikes that they’ll never average a ride over 18mph on. Which is to say that the industry’s unscrupulous marketing and clever confirmation bias science is very potent stuff indeed. The industry has waged war against consumers and won. Push bikes are now priced in line with motorbikes. “Hello Sir, how can I help you….”would that be the Ducati Panigale or the Specialized S-Works you’d like for your £16,500?”…. It’s that ridiculous. The markups are an affront to the cycling community. Their practices are up there with Pfizer’s unethical hoodwinkery. £20k bikes will be next, you watch…

[@Rabessey]

I'll take the Ducati Streetfighter V2 please....in Red

[@glennoc8585]

Yeah but a Ducati is still the upper sports side of motorcycling. Cheaper road bikes do the job much like a royal Enfield offers budget motorcycling.

[@Rabessey]

@@glennoc8585 I ordered a Yamaha MT-09 SP, a budget motorcycle. 35 hp and $6,000 less than the Ducati

[@ArtistSoftwareEngineer]

I think most of the replies are missing your point - which I totally agree with. Purely thanks to cycle to work - and a horrible effective tax band, I've bought a stupidly expensive push bike. The sticker price was 2k *more* than a brand new 1000cc motorbike cost me in 2005, and 20x what my previous car was deemed worth as a trade in 😂😂😂 Now, I held my nose and bought - because the cycle to work brought the price down to less than 1/3rd of sticker price in terms of the loss of net income. Basically - I could end up with £2500 out of £7500 gross earnings, or have a £7500 bike. Sod it then - I'll have the bike. But would I pay the full price? 😂 You must be joking. And I'll be buying every consumable component and tool I can lay my hands on next year with that cert as well.

[@jayclark5034]

Leaves room for enterprising gear heads to create much cheaper options for most of the performance

[@ArashFallah]

So I've read Cycling Tips article on the release of 105 Di2 and watched the Bike Radar and GCN videos as well. First of all, I like how Shimano has presumably put everyone that runs 105 into a group that 1. Does Not race. 2. Doesn't do mechanical tinkering/maintenance. 3. Never had a bike before. The second issue is the fact that 105 was supposedly the affordable option. For around $1800 (US) that has been circulating around; you could have a Campagnolo Chorus, which is substantially lighter and much more customizable in terms of features. Again, the price of an entry level groupset from Shimano is now higher than a mid to high level Campagnolo groupset. Let that sink in!! At the same time, 105 doesn't offer the variety that it's suppose to offer. By grouping everyone who runs a 105 to a non-racer, mechanically inept, not bothered with weight, and generally clueless cyclist, Shimano has effectively boxed them into a corner. You want more options, pay for Ultegra; otherwise. shut up and ride this. It used to be that you would get options in this marketplace. With this new 105 you have exactly two options, get the 11-34 or 11-36 and no you can't have 11-28. Since, they don't race; they won't mind 400g to 700g weight penalty either (comparing to the Chorus). Then they think hey, may be we should have a 52-36 for those people who definitely don't race. All in all, this is a disappointment all around! Expensive, not enough variety in gearing options, no mechanical option, no rim brake option, and missing many of the features of Ultegra but Di2.

[@marcvb3364]

Fully agree with all you say. Most people I know that run 105, do so because of the unreasonable price bump to Ultegra, not because they're not competitive, don't race or don't care about weight. Guess Shimano is simply becoming a less attractive option for a lot of people now.

[@fukawitribe]

Re : gearing. If you want more options, can you not just use the Ultegra or 3rd party cassettes ? (or DuraAce, although that seems perverse). Price and weight-wise - you're comparing the 3rd tier groupsets, but one's mechanical and the other's electronic - it's pricey, that's true, but all electronic ones are.

[@darrengarvie8832]

@@fukawitribe that is the main problem the pricing and I don't want to pay over the odds for electronic I like the feel of mechanical shifters but then again I don't like the new cars out at the moment with screens for Speedos lol and anyone that has a retro bike is stuffed I know there is a retro club near where I live and bikes have to be a certain ago or you can't ride with them.

[@fukawitribe]

@@darrengarvie8832 Yep, they've moved the goal-posts with the pricing, but the up-side is electronic shifting for those that want it, at a cheaper price than before (for Shimano anyway). As a bunch of people have already mentioned, expect 11-speed Tiagra sooner rather than later and that'll be the new "105".

[@Millicente]

Isn’t that the point of tiers? Why would 105 have what ultegra gets?

[@Retnee]

Si mentioned connecting to your head-unit, but please GCN remember to provide consumer information. Shimano hurt their users when they threw their toys out the pram and screwed anyone using Hammerhead's Karoo head units. Anyone considering buying Shimano should be aware of this and consider how much you trust Shimano. Check out DC Rainmaker's May 28 post - I am with his comment "Simply I’m not going to buy into an ecosystem that limits what I can use with it." It's a pity - I liked Di2, but will avoid this brand going forward. Luckily friends with alternatives have been saying how good those alternatives are.

[@pantster9855]

Glad you mention connecting to headunits Si. You replied in KZbin comments about Shimano’s dick move to withdraw support for Hammerhead yet I’ve never seen it mentioned on GCN show or tech show. Hammerhead have paid for ad’s too with GCN why isn’t it mentioned?

[@vodizzzle]

They don’t mention anything, they only say what they are told by the companies. This is not a review channel.

[@pantster9855]

@@vodizzzle GCN show and tech show mentions news in the industry. What Shimano did is a first, and news in the industry, covered by others (without the reach of GCN). On another video comments section Si mentions that he was unaware of this development but would look into it I know this is an ad, but HH (& even SRAM who own HH) have paid for ads with GCN in the past Many claim GCN isn’t unbiased and just promote sponsors stuff. Well they’ve all been sponsors at some point so some fairness would be good. It’s a bad sign for the industry and worthy of comment

[@aponinenaugcasio8456]

I hope they also release 12 speed mechanical

[@WashichawbachaW]

Most probably it will be the next Tiagra. Hoping it's all mechanical for both disc and rim brake option.

[@a1white]

Doubt it will happen. I reckon it’s probably cheaper for Shimano to manufacture electronic shifting than mechanical, which has influenced their decision.

[@froggy0162]

Me too. I have zero interest in electronic shifting…

[@heymanmotorsports49]

@@froggy0162 all of us mortals do

[@leratomawela]

Thoroughly disappointed by Shimano here! Despite the great tech for the new 105, we loved it because it was so simple and accessible and affordable. One is actually better off with the Ultegra. Maybe the "new groupset of the people" will be the Tiagra groupset.

[@cup_and_cone]

The issue is, the way trickle down tech works, the current 11spd R7000 105 will be better than whatever the new generation of Tiagra is when it goes 11 speed.

[@Mububban23]

Tiagra 11 speed would be rear. When I bought 11spd mechanical 105 I also tested 10 spd Tiagra and it felt great too.

[@guymorris6596]

I have mechanical Shimano 105 groupset on my 2000 to 2003 era Trek Hilo triathlon/time trial bike. I like it just fine being mechanical and not electronic.

[@dariusteter5284]

I put 10-speed Tiagra on my commuter this year, replacing 6-year old 105 groupset. It feels great, works great, looks great. The only reason I have any interest in electronic shifting is for my gravel bike which is constantly in the grit and mud, and needs a lot of regular work to keep the shifting smooth. Eliminating the entire shifting cable systems seems right for that application, but alas, I can't afford it.

[@vonydos2012]

Then tiagra will go di2 next year😂

[@steveco1800]

Hanging on tight to my Ultegra mechanical and rim braked summer road bike from 2018. Yes I guess they have to progress with new tech, but is it really making an improvement to the reasonably priced bikes? If anything they're heavier and more complicated, and barely any quicker or nicer to ride.

[@eudardopadilla7093]

Let me put it this way: I have had it with my mechanical dura ace group set. Even changing new cables and wiring is ever increasingly making it harder for the cables to slide the gears into place fast, or not at all. So as soon as possible I want to forget mechanical ever existed.

[@charliedillon1400]

I just got a 2017 Tarmac with Ultegra and rim brakes for $900 USD. 18.5 lbs. works perfect. I feel like I've won the lottery.

[@davidianwalsh]

Steve - I have Di2 on my Tri bike - it pains me to go back and ride my road bike with mechanical shifting - Di2 is beautiful to ride!

[@chrisgraham6031]

@@eudardopadilla7093 How old is it? My Dura Ace mechanical set from 2015 is in perfect nick after 25,000 km in British weather!

[@gokaygs]

@@eudardopadilla7093 You are doing something wrong on your bike, mechanical dura ace shifts like a boss with no problems, same with Ultegra and 105,

[@seanbeckett5611]

“The average 105 cyclist won’t be interested in speed or mechanics” nah I just don’t want to pay an extra £300 for 300g

[@core2zero]

"the groupset of the people" is as tone deaf as always, being more expensive than any acceptable "people's bike"

[@Millicente]

I think the point is "not interested enough to find a way to pay the money for it." No one is going to refuse a top end groupset if handed to them for free or for the same price as a tiagra. No one's stupid enough to assume that.

[@loc9588]

@@core2zero yeah it’s so fuckin arrogant. These eejits really think having a 300g lighter group set makes you faster. I ride a 9kg bike and am faster than most old boys in the local club that ride carbon Ultegra bikes

[@tengamangapiu]

Very condescending coming of GCN presenters, to potential 105 users. They should've done a lot better for what is but a simple sales presentation. Idk how does Shimano approves of this content.

[@loc9588]

@@tengamangapiu I doubt shimano has anything to do with it

[@alexdoner3641]

the new Shimano group set looks really solid but I myself will probably definitely stay on 105 just for the simple fact that it's easier to maintain I've gotten used to it but I have had the chance to ride the new group set my dad has it on his 2019 s-works and it's a really solid group set

[@mikeymike1792]

This is excellent news, but my word, it's still so expensive!

[@marcgtsr]

Crazy expensive I should say. Here in Brazil a bike with this will cost the same as a 5y old car... Not kidding

[@marcocasamassima389]

the groupset of the people for almost 2000 euros ... 😂

[@adnartmadmartm8718]

For exactly 2000€ (49.999CZK) we got a new, full-carbon, 11s mechanical-105 equipped bike from Decathlon just four months ago. So I have no idea who they're targeting with the Di2.

[@kennsanders9546]

$1800 US and available in 2030 being optimistic here!

[@MattOckendon]

I wish they’d spent the time catching up making the parts I need for the bike I already own tbh. I cant just be me that fears wearing out a cassette or even a brake rotor at the moment?!

[@chrisjames1924]

I bought a brand new 2017 Canyon Enduarce with full Ultegra Di2 for the same money as this 105 groupset. Yes, the new 105 looks brilliant, but the pricing is utterly ridiculous and entirely arbitrary. It really is sad the way the industry looks to be going. They just get greedier and greedier.

[@channul4887]

"the new 105 looks brilliant" it looks like the bog standard 105 with some tweaks, there's not much brilliance in how it looks.

[@dommccabe17]

Dont forget those brexit benefits of rampant inflation and far higher import costs. Thanks boris you wanker, you even fucked the cyclists.

[@GuybrushThreepwood79]

Shimano 105. Groupset of the RICH people. 🤷‍♂️

[@wesleycwagner]

My mechanical 105 has always performed flawlessly. Now I have to ask myself if I need to spend 1800 bucks to make it possibly a little easier.

[@sudoPrivileges]

The answer is no.

[@stuarthammond2030]

No you don't. But, it is better. Not essential but definitely better.

[@TboneTenEighties]

I don't get it. Do people want to do nothing to/on their bikes ffs. I like dialing in my shifting..getting it perfectly crisp. Atleast keep one of the top 3 groups mech ffs. I hate this tbh Was saying please leave the R7000 mech..Shimano did such a great job with it. Smh whatever

[@TheBarlettano]

why would you, as long as your current groupset works fine

[@wesleycwagner]

@@TheBarlettano Great question.

[@benturp3492]

£1700?? 😂😂😂 This industry is getting crazier by the day.

[@kantongkresek3261]

Still loving my secondhand r7000 groupset. If value-price point is the main consideration, maybe r8070 secondhand is the best for now.

[@gianpaologliori3604]

Good introduction but obviously we need a detailed comparison with SRAM Rival Axs which seems like a direct competitor!

[@TheThedynamitekid]

Shimano sponsoring the ad aren’t going to want to have the word SRAM mentioned in the video!

[@endcensorship874]

AGREED

[@gianpaologliori3604]

@@TheThedynamitekid sign of insecurity. Would be much more impressive if they said “compare all you like we think our product is better!”

[@a1white]

Hahaha not likely to get that here. This is just an advert. Shimano’s marketing budget doesn’t allow for objective journalism

[@Millicente]

@@gianpaologliori3604 or you know, don't give any market headspace to the competitor and get a competitor's name into a potential buyer's head to open up possible changes in opinion. Unless shimano are 50% the price of sram and perform exactly the same or better I don't see how it's smart to ever say "here's our biggest competitor that you may or may not have known about, feel free to watch any videos or read anything that could change your mind and buy their stuff instead"

[@michaelmechex]

I've been waiting for this for months, but idk man. Lack of the hidden buttons is a bummer, so is the estimated price. I think I just might jump on one of the second hand sets of Ultegra R8070 that started to pop up from the pros and rich dudes that need all the newest stuff

[@nutzeeer]

And its not even made of gold. Its just a money grab

[@austintinoC00l]

That's all I'm going to do. I'm on 8070 at the moment so will just be buying a few extra years worth of components then will switch to SRAM Shimano has lost the plot.

[@geu6270]

As well as dumb as nails not to have satellite shifter ports on the hoods.

[@michaelmechex]

@@austintinoC00l on the other hand, I found a great deal on Dura ace 9120 and I'm second guessing myself if Di2 is really worth the extra cost. I want a new bike mostly because I want more aggressive position and disc brakes, shifting is fine. What do you think, is the Di2 really worth the extra money? I gotta admit, navigating the head unit right from the hoods sounds very nice.

[@austintinoC00l]

@@michaelmechex electronic shifting is definitely worth it and the future. More reliable shifting, less maintenance etc. However at the current prices I can't justify it to myself (with Shimano at least my next electronic groupset will be SRAM) What you've got to remember is it isn't just the upfront cost but the maintenance as well. Crash and damage a rear derailleur or a shifter? With current di2 costs you're looking at £200-£500 Then there's the current sourcing issues. Finding parts is hard at the moment and even if you do you'll end up spending an arm and a leg. My advice would be to wait at the moment until the market settles and then buy second hand companies like Shimano can't keep getting away with artificially inflating the prices when we're already in a market shortage/inflation

[@yanncampbell7401]

I'll stick with Tiagra. 10 spd chains and cassettes are way cheaper than 12 spd stuff. Never feel like I am missing 2 gears for the riding I do.

[@apfeofanov]

Tiagra DI2 in a couple of years)

[@endianAphones]

Now it's a given that Tiagra will jump into 11 gears eventually. Probably something the same as now last gen 105, with different branding.

[@jameshancock18]

that’ll be the same price as ultegra and now ultegra will be even more expensive

[@leslie7922]

Cycling is like golf

[@michaelmechex]

the new ultegra is around 2800 bucks, it got more expensive already

[@cup_and_cone]

When it literally costs 3x more than the previous 105 version it replaces, it's no longer "the people's" anything.

[@leejones6995]

With this Shimano has essentially forced me to go Campagnolo for my next groupset.

[@fukawitribe]

They've not forced you to do anything, it's still entirely your choice what you buy and from whom.

[@phrog2579]

@@fukawitribe Its called a push factor. We dont want to move from shimano to sram or campag but shimano making 105 di2 and disc brake only raises the price so much from Mechanical 105 with rim/discs it pushes us out to campag or sram to get a similar quality groupset from a reputable brand raced at the highest level. They are effectively forcing us out of the shimano world, all because they dont understand that people with 105 want to go fast but also do it at a affordable price. Shimano has lost touch with its audience. Their "average 105 rider" profile is complete dissociated from the actual profile of 105 riders. We wanted 105 Di2, but at a affordable price like 105 has always been, maybe with a slight markup. This is not affordable.

[@stanislavkindiakov6334]

New 105 di2 groupset costs more, than the whole carbon bike on mechanical Ultegra in 2020. Thank you, Shimano, I pass

[@chrisjames1924]

I bought a brand new 2017 Canyon Endurace with full Ultegra Di2 for the same money as this groupset. I've added Bora 50s and it's under 7kg. This pricing is absurd in the extreme.

[@RYTHMICRIOT]

I bought a new BMC Roadmachine in 2018. It was a factory 105 bike. I bought and installed a SRAM eTap system in 2020. I don't service bicycles personally, but I was able to do it myself with little issue or experience. The kit cost me $1200 and the lack of shift cables was the primary appeal. The ability to microtune the rear mech per cog is brilliant. I have never used Di2 but I was apprehensive about the small switches on the shifters, particularly when wearing gloves. I actually have grown to love the SRAM shift logic. Right shifter = Upshift, left shifter = downshift, both = front mech. I also can see which cog I'm in on my Wahoo Bolt. My experience has been completely trouble free. If you're on the fence about switching to electronic I highly recommend it.

[@leslie7922]

Current and previous gen di2 is easy with thick gloves. The first gen isn't though as the buttons aren't as pronounced.

[@gobgobcachoo]

"there is no rim brake version...." Me closing my wallet.

[@manofsteele60]

I like it but at this level there should still be a mechanical/rim brake option. Give people the choice of decent quality at an affordable price because it just seems that the cycling industry rather than the consumers are making that choice and all the time ramping costs up significantly.

[@pierrex3226]

It's a new groupset. New bikes all have disc brakes. Rest assured they've done their homework, if they dropped rim brakes, it's because it makes sense for them financially.

[@marksoeplepel]

@@pierrex3226 dropping the mechanical groupset is a very bad idea. Then you need to choose between a much more expensive 105 di2 or a worse tiagra than mechanical 105. So there is a big jump between tiagra and 105. While the mechanical 105 fills this gap.

[@pierrex3226]

@@marksoeplepel sure you know the bike business better than Shimano.

[@marksoeplepel]

@@pierrex3226 Financially it is a strategy for shimano to not launch 105 mechanical, so that consumers who don't want to buy tiagra have to buy the expensive 105, which in turn will result in more profit for shimano. But from a consumers standpoint, it is much more desirable for the customers to have that middle point 105 mechanical, which gives shimano happier followers. So it will be interesting to see what shimano will do.

[@phrog2579]

@@marksoeplepel I think nowadays theres gonna be a bigger secondhand market for groupsets considering that the groupsets are typically cheaper or at least the same price as this with relatively equal performance. Plus, you get to say you have ultegra/dura ace rather than 105.

[@robbeelsas]

It's finally happened, Campagnolo Chorus 12 speed is now a good value proposition

[@JoshuaRes]

Connect to your head unit… as long as it’s not a Hammerhead :( still excited 105 is going electric though.

[@youling1997]

I feel the average second per shift is calculated by ride time/each cog shifted. For user I shift over 5 gears to get to the gear I want, this should only be counted as one shift.

[@jang0001]

1700€ for a 105? That’s certainly not the groupset of the people anymore. I’ll only bring up the price of the bikes…

[@endianAphones]

The people can't afford a 1700€ bike, let alone a groupset.

[@BTcycle]

As clean as the new Di2 looks, I still prefer the simplicity of the mechanical 105.

[@leejones6995]

Yip. No mechanical sucks.

[@mannyorozco842]

Big agree. I love my r7000 groupset.

[@tengamangapiu]

I'm thinking about grabbing a Claris bike because it's even simpler. And cheaper. Plus there's a junior gear cassette which I could use (13-26) with a decent gear combination: 13-14-15-17-19-21-23-26T (V). Sora has an even nicer option on 13-25: 13-25 (13-14-15-16-17-19-21-23-25) I don't have a use for the 11 or 12 save for descending, and I'm normally coasting on those since our routes have rolling hills (group ride goes all out on the hills then coast).

[@a1white]

And the price

[@a1white]

And the price

[@paulwilliams4990]

Not a groupset for the people anymore at that price.

[@ZratP]

I am a tech enthusiast in general and must admit I have a lot of gadgets but I always swore to myself that I would keep my bicycles free of any electronic gadget that would be mandatory to ride it. I mean I have a cycling computer and a power meter but those are optional and would not transform my bicycle into a brick even with no juice. I want my bicycle to be something reliable, that I can repair easily and not being dependent on a shop or a component that's impossible for an individual to easily swap.

[@cd0u50c9]

That's exactly the point - bikes used to be reliable, simple mechanical devices that needed lubing and servicing once in a while - now you need a software engineer to keep it operational. Steel bike with an old groupset is where I'm heading.

[@calebgonsalves2970]

@@cd0u50c9 you do realise what was once the CAAD 8, bike raced in the tours is now the CAAD optimo, right? You pay for something with looser tolerances and less maintenance in its performance

[@jakobjarle4597]

I have ridden road bikes since I was 10 years old. With one quick exception in 2005 for Campagnolo Veloce it has always been with Shimano 105. In 2018 I bought a Canyon Ultimate Cl with Ultegra for 2300 isch EUR. I would have happily bought the 105 version for 1800 EUR, which wasn’t available at that time. Last year I bought a 105 group set for another bike of mine for 400 isch EUR, it is such a Great group set . I don’t see the purpose of spending 2800 EUR on a 105 equipped bike, sorry Shimano! I am a keen cyclist riding 12000km+ a year doing some local racing and so on, I do think I qualify as an “ultegra” user but I’m not prepared spending that money for DI2 and will probably go Campagnolo on my future bikes. It’s mechanical and costs a fraction of this DI2 nonsense. It don’t need or want electronic shifting. I don’t need or want a 36! Cassette (if you need a 36 cassette do you even ride your bike?). I would have liked a 12 speed mechanical group set with hyper glide plus. With the 54 chainring and the 11-30 cassette. That would have been useful. This is pointless!

[@cycomiles4225]

Whatever they think they are doing, its pointless. The tech is fine, its just that its gonna jack up the price where it doesnt need to, especially for bikes ranging from 1k to 2k euros or dollars, making them not affordable...there was nothing wrong with keeping it cheap, mechanical and rim brakes. Campagnolo centaur is the way to go, and it will probably be cheaper, never thought id say campagnolo is cheap.

[@cd0u50c9]

You know Shimano have lost the plot when Campagnolo is at a competitive, even a better price.

[@jakobjarle4597]

@Matej Juhás yeah, I agree with you that 36 could be an option, maybe a 34 would be sufficient. Even on climbs like Mortirolo 34-34 would be enough for most cyclist. However I do not want to sound elitist. I would be nice to have a span between 11-28 and something like a 12-36 cassette. That would really speak to a majority of the people riding 105. and honestly they should probably offer the 36 cassette in Ultegra and Dura Ace as well. In oder to afford those group sets, you have to work so much you don’t have time to ride your bike 😂

[@hornet224]

The massive super HYPE is ON! You've GOT TO HAVE one of these!! Yet, I can shift my gears manually just fine, and I don't need batteries.

[@TboneTenEighties]

They should atleast do a mech version of the 12sp 105 with rim brake option. Going all E with all 3 groups makes no sense imo. Where's the options for consumers. I don't want/need disc brakes either.

[@willisix2554]

yup same for me, I'll just keep the 105 group set i already have because changeing 1/10 of a second faster doesn't mean a thing to me

[@Neon8787]

I'm very excited about more affordable Di2 because it always seemed like a brilliant idea, but I don't want to pay for exotic materials to shave grams off the groupset, but I'm very apprehensive. Everything is sky-rocketing in price these days, and Shimano may just price this at the current Ultegra Di2 level and raise the prices of Ultegra and Dura Ace.

[@calebgonsalves2970]

Pricing is set. It's almost double 105 rim groupset but actually extremely reasonable considering Shimano have had to tack on extra price for di2 and disc variant and a little bit extra to shave some weight and 12 gear

[@gourami7]

Probably better value to buy a bike with 105 Di2, not much value buying frameset and building

[@calebgonsalves2970]

@@gourami7 building a frame is hardly ever viable unless you get a cheap Chinese frame AND get discounted wheels or groupset

[@easternbrown]

Get the feeling that Simon enjoys making a video like this one. Walking on air.

[@davependragon1]

All I can say, as a proud user of 105, I am looking forward to this....So excited. But such a shame, no rim brake version.

[@adnartmadmartm8718]

Now watch the already high price of reasonable bikes explode and mechanical 105 become even more expensive to make up for the research costs. I honestly don't know who's going to benefit from this. Rather than trying to lower the costs on their existing products, they bling them up and hike the price, making 105 unattainable for us. At this rate, companies like Microshift or, hell, even the chinese Sensah are starting to look more appealing than ever. Later edit: I'm looking at Shimano's website and on the 105 section all I can see is the Di2 option. Have they really pulled an Ultegra and stopped making mechanical 105? Because that may just be the last straw. I'd rather ride cheap chinese crap than move from 105 to an inferior groupset such as Tiagra or Sora or Claris. I mean, if those are the options, I might as well jump directly to Tourney and put myself out of my misery.

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

Vote with your wallet, a flop is a flop, clearly in this case. Get a R7000 or other products from other manufacturers. Shimano is not the only one around there.

[@Millicente]

Why would they lower the cost right now? The rise in price is due to rise in demand and increase in costs. There's no incentive to lower anything. People still buy up everything regardless of the increase in price.

[@aygwm]

It’s just easier to design bikes without cable routing

[@adnartmadmartm8718]

@@aygwm - Ah, yes. I'm looking forward to that! The ease of design will surely be reflected in the lowered price.

[@vespaboy692000]

I'm not surprised. Technology will keep moving forward. I'll just enjoy whatever I can get my hands on or what I can afford at a time. More power to cycling!

[@rwphotobug]

If this would've come out 2 month ago I would have been the first one in line to hand over my money. But since then, $himano has decided to revoke Hammerhead's license to integrate Di2 information with their Karoo head-units. Shame on $himano for being closed minded. The future of cycling should be about open standards that allow greater integration across all components. Why would I buy anything $himano knowing that they could pull the plug to anyone else they think is a "competitor."

[@philiprobar]

Why is a license needed? Is the data encrypted?

[@michaelmechex]

You wouldn't be able to use most of that functionality on 105 anyway, due to lack of buttons. I get it though, it's about not supporting their shady decisions.

[@homesetup6339]

Should SRAM should make their AXS range compatible with Shimano STePs head unit? I don’t hear anyone complaining about that. Shimano “Thinks” Hammerhead is a competitor because SRAM bought them, so they are actually a competitor, it is not a matter of thinking they are. Hammerhead owners were happy to be bought out by SRAM, but they should know that would come at a compatibility cost. They took making money over doing the right thing by people who had bought their product. So I think it is hammerhead you should direct your anger towards.

[@michaelmechex]

@@homesetup6339 not really. Shimano doesn't even have a competing product. No, the Steps thing is not a competing product, Karoo has a completely different (and much bigger) set of features. Karoo initially had the Shimano compatibility, but Shimano pulled it with no explanation and only one hurt by this were their own customers.

[@homesetup6339]

@@michaelmechex Shimano did give an explanation, Hammerhead was bought by a competitor, as it is now a SRAM product. A licensing agreement usually has a clause that states not to disclose information to a competitor. Obviously, when owned by a competitor, hammerhead could no longer meet this clause. This again, was a decision by hammerhead to sell, not by Shimano. If hammerhead remained independent, you would still have your Shimano compatibility.

[@JimLangley1]

Great overview, thank you! I've been on Di2 since it came out and I do like it a lot. But all these years later, I still have to think about every shift because there are two buttons on each lever right next to each other. You have to choose the correct button and it's easy to hit the one you didn't mean to hit, especially with front shifts since you don't do that as often. SRAM and Campagnolo realized this was a problem and addressed it in their egroups.

[@gcn]

Hope you found it interesting!

[@JimLangley1]

@@gcn yes, definitely, thanks again!

[@mechy2k2000]

i wonder if it is possible to change/ remap what the di2 buttons do?? Maybe change what each button does like in a video game??

[@JimLangley1]

@@mechy2k2000 yes, you can program the buttons to change their functions.

[@NemanjaPantelic]

I just saw a post by Canyon, promoting their new clothing collection. They ask almost EUR 300 for a jersey, shorts and a pair of socks! The 105 seems like a bargain compared! But, joking aside, cycling was never cheap. You know that if you were involved long enough. Still, I feel that, just like with cars, we're losing the budget options we always had available.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

Cycling IS cheap... Being industry muppet is not. Fool and his money are easily parted...

[@tobiasbernhard2959]

Never gonna buy a bike with electronic shifting. To me the idea of putting a battery in my bike to be able to ride is very Strange. Mechanics work great. I guess a lot of dentists will buy it and ride it once a year.

[@chrisridesbicycles]

Great news! The slight drawback is that they did not give it Hyperglide+ which I can‘t understand. On the MTB side HG+ has tickled down all the way to Deore. Now it‘s time to look at the compatibility charts. I‘d love to have the buttons on the hoods AND a 36T cassette. (or better legs as an alternative, how much are those?)

[@jonathanzappala]

Well if it’s trickle down pro tech, when are their legs going to trickle down to us 😂

[@chrisridesbicycles]

@@jonathanzappala Not fair! But tbh training methodology does trickle down thanks to the internet. I remember the time when you had to collect magazines and buy books.

[@nommchompsky]

It's weird how Shimano didn't want to admit it, but I would be willing to bet a lot of money that if you use an ultegra cassette and chain you will get hyperglide+ performance

[@chrisridesbicycles]

@@nommchompsky That were my thoughts, too. That „different firmware“ thing is BS. I wonder if they even make a 12s non-HG+ chain. That would be odd.

[@leslie7922]

If you got 50-32 front and 34T rear that should be easy enough?

[@saveriodipoce2201]

I have an Ultegra Di2 10 speed.I bought it in 2012 never ever had any problems.Still have the original battery and must have over 70/80 thousand km on it. A Shimano 10 speed chain will last over 6/7 thousand km if you " clean- lube " it every 3/400 km i costs 25 euro. Not like these 12 speed chains no matter how well you clean them,you get max couple thousand km on them,and they cost three time is much of a 10 speed. I will never buy a 12 speed no matter what.

[@saveriodipoce2201]

@Cellestino Hernendes Sram chain 12 sp.7000.New to me.I work part time in a bike shop and see a lot of chains on these 12 speed so badly worn.Many time you don't just replace the chain,you need to replace big or small chain rings,all dipends on who is used more.At times the rear cogs is in bad conditions to. We never had this amount of problems with 8/9/10 speed. As soon as we got to 11 we started to see all kinds of trasmision wearing From what we see now with 12 speed it's even worse.You say:You Sram 12 speed all those km,news to me.We have clients that we take very well care of their bikes,we can hardly get over 3/4000 km and they are out of specs 0.75.

[@kakarot2430]

I was dreaming of this Groupset so I could mount additional TT shifters to aero bars, but goodness, the price is way beyond my expectation.

[@heymanmotorsports49]

...Says everyone

[@woolfel]

we can all thank SRAM Rival AXS for this! I switched to Ultegra Di2 due to rear shifter cable breaking twice a year. Since the change, I haven't been stuck 30 miles from home without rear shifting. anyone that is a salty sweater, definitely upgrade to Di2 and avoid broken shifter cable.

[@danemery8312]

No longer groupset of the people (unless those people are loaded). What does this do for entry level bikes? 105 is no longer entry level or affordable.

[@fukawitribe]

105 has never been entry level.

[@boxrick1]

105 used to be £300 for the entire groupset about 5 years ago. Now it's £1700... What on earth?

[@janeq27]

@@fukawitribe Never has been entry level, but has been a reasonably priced "no-brainer" solution for many hobby cyclists. But now, forget about it. However, I wonder, what the next gen of Tiagra is going to offer...

[@fukawitribe]

@@boxrick1 Nah, 105 5800 was released some 6+ years ago, and that was just under £600 for the rim brake. R7000 came out couple years or so later with a similar price for rim, and about £800 for disc. Don't get me wrong, I think this groupset is way over-priced, even for an electronic groupset, but 105 really hasn't been entry level , check out Claris and Sora for that.

[@fukawitribe]

@@janeq27 Yep, agreed - i'd have a small bet on 11-speed Tiagra soon-ish (and more or less a re-badged 105 11-speed presumably). I still have 10-speed Tiagra (triple) on one of the bikes and it works a blinder; heavy as fk but very smooth, and Ultegra 6800 on another - I quite like the idea of being able to replace the Tiagra one with essentially the same as the Ultegra in the course of time, the names don't mean anything to me really, just how well they work.

[@hoopdoggydogg]

It's going to be expensive. I think they should've continued with 11 speed and copied the R9100/R8000 technology into the new 105 R7100. Surely this would make it more affordable for "the people". Unless, Shimano plan to do something like this with a new Tiagra groupset.....???

[@BoxCarBoy12]

$1889 USD for the whole groupset :(

[@marcvb3364]

I have a feeling that a Tiagra 11 Speed mechanical will become the new "people's groupset"

[@leslie7922]

@@BoxCarBoy12 that amount of money is a new bike

[@BigBrownMonke]

Claris! We welcome you as the new “People’s Groupset” Congratulations!

[@adnartmadmartm8718]

At this rate, it'll be the Tourney in a couple of years.

[@BigBrownMonke]

@@adnartmadmartm8718 True 😂😂

[@paulmorrison30]

Shimano 105 is now the groupset unattainable by “The People” as it’s now moved from being accessible to all to an elitist groupset 👎🏾. Bring on Sensah Empire Pro 🔥

[@Buckets41369]

It was never for “the people” it is a luxury item and anyone who has it is very fortunate.

[@glennoc8585]

Empire pro you might as well just buy Tiagra at least it's got a local warranty and hydraulic options

[@glennoc8585]

@@Buckets41369 it was non sponsored racer and relatively expensive. Many young guys just bought 600 series years ago and 105 for amateur crit racing. Ultegra really was for sponsored racers under the continental or cat 4 teams. Dura ace was always world tour or for the wealthy.

[@paulmorrison30]

@Kiwi Bico I’ve got what I need but for new people coming into the sport it may be well beyond their budget. Soon and very very soon there’ll be a lot of things a lot of people can’t afford Richie rich! Not all of us are imbeciles 🤔 but if you’re going to eradicate a cable version of a historically loved group set then at least you either provide both an electronic and cable version or set the electronic version at a reasonable price point 🤔. Many people don’t have have your apparently unlimited resources.

[@xelseartheonlyone1267]

I love my Sora 2020 bike to be honest. 9 speed is more than enough for me. Is already amazingly expensive having a road bike. Can't imagine having such an expensive groupset... I think someone must understand, that we need to make cycling more accessible not more elitist. Sram and Campagnolo look more appealing day by day. I might even consider Microshift if they continue to just skyrocket the prices.

[@inamoka1717]

Lezzgo team sora r3000!

[@richardwalker5778]

I can walk into my local Decathlon today and walk out (paid for of course!) with their Van Rysel EDR Ultegra road bike for under £1.5k at list. UCI approved, 8.6Kg with full mechanical Ultegra. So instead of a 105di2 groupset, I can buy an entire Ultegra spec’d bike and have £200 left over. I’m sure 105di2 will be brilliant…groupset of the people…no more. I bought that bike the way…just needed tyre upgrade, and absolutely love it, and will be able to work on it myself for years to come.

[@andrei0525]

Genuinely surprised about this…was expecting shimano to take another generation before making the 105 electronic…my next road bike might just have electronic shifting in a couple of years when/if i decide to upgrade…or maybe looking to build something on my own…

[@Demon09-_-]

the current price of 105 ultegra is pretty off putting though 1890 for the group set quite the price climb from its old 700 ish usd price in r7000. it puts 105 di2 in a odd spot compared to its mechincal more budget friendly variant. But I guess the price is no real surpise as bike gear in whole has been climbing quite alot

[@gcn]

Whilst still expensive for some, it certainly does make going electronic more affordable than it was previously!

[@Demon09-_-]

@@gcn only when we compare to the current inflated and new generation. If I remeber right 11 speed ulegra di2 launched at a lower price then this current 105 is going to be

[@jdoe836]

@Global Cycling Network I just traded in my '21 Domane SL 5 (purchased in June '20) for a '23 Domane SL 6 Di2 105 (Gen 4). Today was my first official ride, 50km around Northern Virginia. IT WAS GREAT!! The shifting is incredible, smooth, and faster than mechanical. It does take some getting used to, especially in the drops as you can click the wrong lever by accident. I need to download the app and really set it up.

[@skooterbrah]

Technology has certainly come a long way since I first started riding. Yes, friction shifters on the downtube, and twelve speeds total was the cutting edge way back when. I can't say that I am sorry to see it gone. To be honest though, I think that I would still prefer a mechanical groupset, simply from a maintenance standpoint.

[@nathanphillips875]

I’ve worked as a professional mechanic for bike shops and race teams, and I can promise you that Di2 is far less maintenance than mechanical.

[@tristenwilliams1943]

I have the mechanical 105 on my base model Canyon Aeroad, and I have no idea why you’d ever need a “nicer” groupset. It shifts perfect every time, feels smooth and has never failed me. Maybe the weight, if you are racing, would be a reason. But to me it’s more than enough.

[@a1white]

Expect, in order to keep costs down, bike manufacturers moving to spec bikes up with lower end groupsets. When the new 11 speed Tiagra comes out that will likely be at least as expensive as the old 105.

[@stanislavkindiakov6334]

It definitely will get more expensive :(

[@daryl4841]

At this rate in a few years Tiagra is going to cost what last years Dura Ace did.

[@daverinker]

I’ve always gone for 105 and dreamed of Ulteg and scoffed at Durace, but then bought a Ultegra RX derailleur, nearly bought the Durace last gen cranks. Feel like the dragon just showed up and asked, “what are you chasing.” But here’s the thing, I’m riding all steel, 1x cabled, rim brake, nearly rando set ups and can’t picture buying a whole groupset. Not enough tinker time. All said, when I bought a Giant 2 full 105 in 2001 (the Once team look a like) I was levitating for two years on those weekday 50m rides and beating those older gentlemen who could afford a car AND a bike AND the fancy parts. It feels bad ass to ride 105, still, nuff said.

[@appa609]

The mechanical has better shifting ergonomics. It's a lot easier to differentiate up and down inputs when wearing thick gloves. You can shift down 3 gears in one motion when hitting a hill

[@gcn]

Interesting point! The flip side of this is, when your hands are tired or cold DI2 is easier to shift 👀

[@arminquante1369]

A tip for those who miss the additional switches on the 105 Di for operating the bike computer. I only ride the 105 Di2 in S2 mode, why do I have this shifting system? The switches on the left lever are therefore more or less useless. I have therefore assigned them to the D-Fly channel and use them to operate my Edge 830 with 6 functions. It works perfectly, both hands are always on the handlebars and the view is more forwards.

[@llandor]

My first road bike was with 105 and rim brakes (still miss that Caad 8), I paid about half the price of the new 105 groupset for for that entire bike. Fair enough, it was 8 years ago, but still..

[@Big_Island_Boi]

I'm sticking with my Dura Ace 7800... flawless and bombproof... and will still be working perfectly in 5 yrs when the new 105 Di2 starts falling apart.

[@markdurdle7710]

Well at the moment I can get SRAM AXS 1x groupset for under £1200 and a 2x groupset for under £1400 (that includes pretty much everything like crank/cassette). AXS has the 10 tooth cog (an advantage for 1x setups) and a much easier setup, not really seeing much of a reason to go 105 Di2 at the kind of prices some are saying.

[@cup_and_cone]

Taiwan made vs Japanese made.

[@12joeg7665]

I remember a couple of years ago you could pick up a full ultegra di2 groupset for less than this. Price inflation in the bike industry in recent years has been insane.

[@micahsherer7189]

Groupset Weighs 3kg... GCN ad "that weight is relatively meaningless."

[@gcn]

Out of context 3kg is a lot but 361g more than Ultegra isn't a huge amount

[@jakobjarle4597]

@@gcn but ~500 grams more than the r7000 11 speed one is a substantial weight los. Especially when you pay more than 2 EUR/gram lost. A r7000 will cost you around ~500 EUR. Imagine how many Latex innertubes that is, or beers, or hours spent on the bike instead work. And you’ll be less aero because of the disc brakes. Hard core for one more sprocket and electronic shifting, especially since r7000 has such good shifting qualities.

[@loc9588]

9:45 in and around is the biggest waffle ive ever heard. i run 9 speed tiagra and shifts like a dream

[@MartFish]

Mad pricing my last 105 groupset bike (with hydraulic discs)i got in the sales 5 yrs ago for £1400… not sure how this is a groupset for the people anymore… also will tourers want to use it?

[@madmikedynamite6083]

More kit for the 10K Club. Ride a $10k bike, 10km to have coffee with 10 friends.

[@nicholkid]

When smartphones exist it's hard to understand the crazy pricing of electronic bike gears. Seems somewhat low tech in the grand scheme but priced higher than a Macbook.

[@jaspreetsidhu5708]

Yeap that's what I've said and why are things not cross compatible use a better processing unit with upgradeability in mind and I don't see why gear can't be future proof (I'd programmable indexing distances to allow equipment to go from 11 to 12 speed as long as the limits are okay).

[@charliedillon1400]

They charge what dumb people will pay. No way to explain how any bicycle could cost more than a mid range Honda motorcycle, either.

[@zukzworld]

Ohhhhhhhh, this is really really a long waited one! 👏🏾😍

[@cherriagana]

Even the normal 105 became insanely pricy here so no idea how much "of the people" really remains. Almost everyone at my work and friends now have a Tiagra or Claris groupset sadly cause it's the only ones that are affordable in this shortage.

[@leslie7922]

Get sensah groupset

[@aliancemd]

People riding bikes in Africa would disagree with "of the people" marketing slogan.

[@ritxises9542]

@@leslie7922 I have assembled 3 Sensha groups from Empire Pro of 12s to known ...... I much prefer a Tiagra 4700 of 10s than the Sensah

[@lamap45]

@@aliancemd in PT too. Tiagra is realy the best most can afford

[@JNU92]

Imagine when cycling gets to the point where it’s automatic shifting. Going based off of muscle memory. It can track gradient and how much watts you’re putting down to adjust to gear 👀

[@hymen0callis]

I don't want electronic shifting on (most of) my bikes, but I want a high quality groupset (at least 105). Looks like I will have to switch to Campagnolo if I want to upgrade my bikes.

[@waterkoud1]

Campagnolo will be pleased. Suddenly they are the best option for many people. Well done Shimano.

[@ArteUltra1195]

The only good thing about this will be the reduced prices of used Ultegra 8070 groupsets. £1700 for a 3kg “mid-level” groupset.. Cmon

[@chrisjames1924]

Second hand prices are going to go UP with this ridiculous new pricing of Di2....It's gone up by at least a third in the past 5 years.

[@SuperHix]

Hi, GCN, maybe just a small remark. Grams in weight, are usually marked with small "g" , not with capital "G" . Capital "G" is usually used with G-forces . :)

[@arturnaumiuk8135]

Very happy to see that. I have UDi2 11 sp since 2015 and love it. New 105 Di2 will allow many more riders to enjoy electronic shifting and benefit from it.

[@ArteUltra1195]

Not so sure with the new prices..

[@marcvb3364]

Even adjusting for inflation it's considerably more expensive than Ultegra Di2 was 5 years back, this ain't helping nobody go electronic, all it allows for is bumping the prices of Ultegra and Dura Ace even more.

[@nickporter3531]

“Affordable” is a relative term here. It is a lot more expensive than it used to be. Whilst electronic shifting is more efficient than cable there are a few other things here; batteries need replacement and have to be dealt with;!Di2 won’t work with all frames (unlike SRAM which is fully wireless and frame agnostic) meaning if you want this at the “affordable” group set then you may need a new frame; Repairing an electronic group set or replacement is expensive - and rather than unscrewing something and replacement of the dud part will result in throwing the part away and buying a new one. Yes, it’s nice to see BUT this is no longer the group set of the people and it further reduces choice, repairability and potentially forces change to systems that you don’t want or need if you are not mechanically minded.

[@Charlie_alpha_romeo]

Imagine offering something for close to $2k and reviewers are calling it the groupset of the people What people? Make cycling accessible

[@eximusic]

Wow, slightly lower cost dependency on batteries. Defeats the efficiency of the bicycle.

[@pierrex3226]

2.8k EUR for a bike is not "for the people" anymore. A few years ago spending 1k GBP was getting you a solid 105 bike (with trash wheels, to be fair)

[@shadiwijaya9138]

It is good, i choose 105 because of specific budget but able to experience better riding experience. I personally like it. It just me who couldn’t afford it yet as my new groupset 🙂