New Skip BREAKS Mario Kart DS After 18 Years

[@EZScape]

When I was routing Gollum Zumo came out of nowhere with some of the craziest skips and concepts I had ever seen. I setup several bounties for different skips I was having difficulty finding and he would just figure it out. Dude understands games on a different level. Not the least bit surprised he's finding new stuff in other communities as well.

[@Abyssoft]

Legit Zumo joined the discord because he was curious about if the game had any skips as he hadn't played it since 2005.

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

I keep confusing you with apollo legend

[@darthtace]

@@JimMilton-ej6zi Apollo Legend passed away in December of 2020.

[@GellyGelbertson]

zumo did a lot of work for talos 2 as well. cool to see him doing a lot for many games.

[@KetsubanSolo]

​@JimMilton-ej6zi I dunno if this is a really sick attempt at pwnage or if you really don't know the ummm... irony of that statement

[@mkdasher]

Thank you for covering this! As a Mario Kart DS player, it's really exciting to see that there are still new things to find in this game. It's been a great challenge trying out these new skips and seeing the whole community attempt them as well!

[@GlitchanBlack]

You and the others (Zumo especially) are an absolute legend for taking my childhood game this far. :')

[@xxlarrytfvwxx9531]

Man, I really want to get into the speedrunning of MKDS, but I can't even replicate my shell cup PB.

[@XxMilleneumxX]

@@xxlarrytfvwxx9531dude same I only got a 3ds now and can’t snake worth shit. Thinking of getting an original DS again specifically to speedrun this game. This is my personal favorite Mario kart so I’m so happy to see the progression/hype around it

[@GuanlongX]

so true

[@TheChilo61]

“As a player” you are /the/ player lol

[@bruhchannel1216]

"hey guys it would be pretty goofy if this were possible :p" "nah it aint" "oh damn nevermind it is possible"

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

Gotta love when speedrun "experts" get proven wrong

[@tomboy_kisser]

Fr, I love it when crabs try to shut people down and state opinions as if they're facts only to get proved wrong. So satisfying lol

[@xdYama]

@@tomboy_kisserhe’s a personal friend of mine, he’s an awesome person. He’s a very very good player, and just didn’t think it was possible. Do you always type like someone’s gonna screenshot it

[@xdYama]

@@tomboy_kisserhe’s a personal friend of mine, he’s an awesome person. He’s a very very good player, and just didn’t think it was possible. Do you always type like someone’s gonna screenshot it

[@chet_awesomelad]

@@xdYama Your friend needs to learn to use qualifiers. There's a big difference between "based on what we know, it's not possible" and "that is not possible, people have already tried lol"

[@JosiahBradley]

I just love speedrun documentaries. I hope people keep breaking games and people keep explaining it. Also love when random people just find things like in MGS.

[@javen9693]

I just HATE speedrun documentaries. I hope no one ever breaks a game again and no one is there to explain it. I hope that only unrandom, very SPECIFIC people find things like in MGS.

[@MimoriAzume]

​@@javen9693 yall should breed and ask the kid what they think of speedrun documentaries

[@JosiahBradley]

@@MimoriAzume I have no clue what I said though. I was trying to be positive about something I enjoy. I don't think I'd get along with them.

[@SOME808GUY-n3r]

​@@JosiahBradleythere are people that exist that see positivity and will do everything they can to tear it down. Why? Some want to cause harm, some find it funny, some want to take your energy. Either way, these trolls feed off the response.

[@jinkies_]

shoutouts to boba

[@GoTFCanada1230]

The beauty of thinking outside the box is fully on display here. It goes to show what people can do when a new set of eyes comes in.

[@THICCTHICCTHICC]

Hilarious how "not humanly viable" becomes "i can do it 3 times in a row" so fast

[@vlc-cosplayer]

"Not humanly viable" is speedrunning's "featherless biped"

[@arandomguywholikesnumbersl8565]

Lop

[@mujtabaalam5907]

Which trick mentioned in the video underwent that process?

[@czechvirusS]

​@@mujtabaalam5907the pinball track. the first setup worked but was deemed not humanly viable since you had to touch the wall from the back. but the new setup ment it quickly got done 3 times in 3 laps

[@shuccle6161]

I love humanity

[@Disgustedorite]

This really shows the importance of fresh blood in a community doing any kind of research or development long term!

[@metarunnermariokart]

I actually talked with iMathII on Discord after these skips were found, and we both noted how similar the Luigi's Mansion skip was to the skip found in the Mario Kart 7 version of the track. I guess we came full circle with that one lol

[@DittoGTI]

Yeah I noticed the similarity. It's funny when SCs are found in remakes of tracks before they're found in the originals

[@GuanlongX]

Look Gary, there I am again! I had fun helping you out with this video, maybe someday more stuff will be found and another video will have to be made. Big shootouts to zumo, imathii, Marisa, and mkdasher. I think we've officially written our names in the mkds history books.

[@prodbymorii2058]

Wild seeing you here, I've always seen you on fossil fighters vids - did a double take when I saw your name ahah

[@GuanlongX]

@@prodbymorii2058 oh that's crazy, cool to be recognized lol

[@marisa77]

I never would have expected these shortcuts to be a reality just a few weeks ago, but it's been so exciting to be a part of. Thanks for covering this, glad to see MKDS in the spotlight!

[@Ndetonados]

0:50 That clown mask paid itself in full

[@LeonisYT]

Was about the comment the same😂

[@KanaIzumiya]

imagine paying for the clown decoration instead of getting it for free in the april fools event skill issue i suppose

[@_machello_8510]

I'm surprised that dasher is still grinding this gme

[@FunnyFreak_]

@@KanaIzumiya Pretty sure that it isnt available to buy

[@KanaIzumiya]

​@@FunnyFreak_ Oh, OP's comment made me think it was.

[@bdt2002gaming]

The day Figure-8 Circuit gets an ultra shortcut is going to be one of the craziest things ever conceived by the human race

[@GuanlongX]

unfortunately won't happen, since MKDS requires you to cross all of the key checkpoints in order in order to count a lap

[@HolySpaceMan]

@@GuanlongXuntil manual code injection insta victory skip which will be found late 2025

[@Windswpt]

@@GuanlongX what if the shortcut involves bypassing that system?

[@GuanlongX]

@@Windswpt there isn't really any way to bypass it. the game checks if all key checkpoints have been collected in order. if not, then no lap count.

[@prellit]

@@GuanlongX just mod the game to not have any key cpoi, ez.

[@xdYama]

To everyone saying complaining about the guy who said it isn’t possible: He’s a very good dude, i’ve been friends with him for almost a year now. I can tell you he did not mean it in a bad way. The person who made the shortcut happen is also defending him. Put it to rest, you’re spoiling the fun.

[@mmp5453]

he definitely meant it in a “what a noob” way. if you’re friends with him doesn’t that make you all the more biased to defend him? 😂 guy just couldn’t believe anyone was better than him, and he got humbled.

[@voreoh]

@@mmp5453 no? do u not have friends?

[@alysdexia]

he’s not a funny dresser, ass

[@timohara7717]

Oof ​@@voreoh

[@swaggymeowmeow]

​​@@mmp5453 this might be the most out of touch reply ive ever read. mods study their brain so we can figure out how its possible to be this dumb, and then put our findings in a museum.

[@jojo0753]

I'm just glad DS can join Super Circuit, 64 and Wii in having a ton of broken shortcuts.

[@DittoGTI]

And 7

[@GuanlongX]

errrr i hate to break it to you but... we've got... five shortcuts so far out of 32 tracks we're not quite broken yet

[@DittoGTI]

@@GuanlongX He probs thinks MKDD and 8 are broken

[@GuanlongX]

@@DittoGTI well, double dash did have a good handful of shortcuts once some tech was discovered i don't personally keep up with mk8 so i can't say anything about it

[@DittoGTI]

@@GuanlongX 8dx (we're including BCP here) has effectively 2 unintended ultra scs and they aren't even close to the same level as other games. There's a way to skip most of the u turn in Snow Land and a way to fly a large section of big blue

[@Dkgow]

I love that the idea of this was the following conversation Taser: "That trick isn't possible and even if it was wouldn't save enough time" Zumo: "I did it on 300cc so it isn't possible, YET!"

[@FireFlyFlying_]

Able "This won't be done 3/3 for many years" ... Now -> 3/3 What a amazing discovery! Glad I could be apart of this discovery in its first couple of days of it being labbed out on stream after it being done RTA. You people are sweet and I can't wait to see what else will be uncovered as this opened up a very big door.

[@ZumoDePapaya]

mario 🗣️ (we are now working in doing the WP shortcut 3/3 without mushrooms it's looking pretty good :] )

[@ezbaek8541]

Great work here. Always enjoy seeing a fellow speedrun head who happen across tech and can't put it down once theyve seen its potential. The urge to optimize is unquenchable

[@RobertMcKinnonMainChannel]

awesome!!! thanks so much for covering this and shouting out everyone :) it was such a great time following the new shortcuts and playing them as well :D

[@DittoGTI]

Oh hello MKSC TAS all cups guy

[@RobertMcKinnonMainChannel]

@@DittoGTI hello! :)

[@9mkds]

I'm sad that it wasn't mentioned that I theorized the shortcut on Delfina Square.😅

[@HHHero73]

I’m not sure I can provide proof, but back when I was a teenager I used to grind this game religiously, trying out cool things you heard around the block or tried to do stuff you’d read online that were theoretically possible (like the super boost start). the DF skip was something I did back in the day on a TT. I never knew this wasn’t known. How things come full circle in modern times is so fascinating.

[@stonerbland7621]

"actually, we tried that, its not possible, and even if it was, its slower" "Anazing, every word of which you just said is wrong"

[@MKDS1992]

Great video! I am so happy that someone really showcases the real heros of those new ultra shortcuts. Of course we mad lads who played this game for almost 20 years got the shortcut shortly after the RTA strategy was discovered, but the real deal here are the people who came in without any deep knowledge of the game and just found those bounces! Huge shoutouts to Zumo and Guan, you will be immortalized in the MKDS history books forever!

[@metalclawsteelheart]

2:50 adskip.

[@MrKlimto]

Use the SponsorBlock extension. Thank me later.

[@girlmaya6818]

Sp0nsorbIock

[@Pixiuchu]

pr0m0tion

[@Professor_Utonium_]

Basic patience

[@girlmaya6818]

@@Professor_Utonium_ You do not know how much worse your experience is with ads everywhere until you go without. Capitalism puts such a toll on our mental health in so many ways and people often don't realize

[@LKBoots15]

The super bounce helped me maintain the skill-consistency while racing to net the 3-Star Rank on the Mirror Mode Flower Cup. In 150cc and Mirror Mode, you can superbounce on the crest of the final three hills before the finish line in Choco Mountain if you jump on the summit of all three hills. Try it sometime, it's awesome!

[@LKBoots15]

Ah. A TASer mentioned this. My kart of choice for this was the Dry Bomber with Dry Bones, but like the TASer person said in the screenshot earlier in the video, the Dry Bomber doesn't fly as far as the other kart mentioned, the Shooting Star. Still very cool and satisfying to jump across all three hills. The timing is very precise to make it work.

[@GuanlongX]

@@LKBoots15 yes, it's frame perfect however, that experience with the shooting star was a year and a half ago and it turns out a lot of karts can make that jump if you're precise enough

[@AlkoholOgerLeonElektronik67]

If a game mechanic is kinda bouncy (literally), especially in a Kart game, it's absolutely worth to test in depth. "Weird" testing like that, gives great glitch-finding potential, for speedrunning

[@BrianM_3rd]

Random guy on Discord: "it isn't possible" Literally 30 seconds later in the vid: it's actually possible Brother, why would you get into speedrunning and still believe anything is impossible. Doing the impossible is literally the point lmao.

[@Kinkajou1015]

Anytime anyone in the speed running community says something isn't possible or can't be done or can't be beaten, they will into existence the determination to prove it is possible.

[@katepuddings2]

Sometimes you gotta just say something is impossible so it can be included in the Speedrun doc as a dramatic "people thought it couldn't be done" moment lol

[@PunkNDisorderlyGamer]

I hate when members of a speedrun community come out as the grand wizards of knowledge and attempt to kill a potential breakthrough. Yeah no shit it’s not possible because it hasn’t been done yet. Let’s look into this a little more.

[@katepuddings2]

I think it's reasonable to question the possibility of something and during this whole sequence I was wrong a LOT. Think the best way to phrase it is "I'm not convinced, prove it's doable"

[@paulelderson934]

There is universe teleportation by cloned objects at integer limit speeds in Super Mario 64. No one should ever claim that a game or unrestricted category is "dead".

[@DragonActual]

4:34 Never thought I would see the track in such perspective that indicates where invisible walls are

[@mkdsabel]

Brilliant video! Thank you very much for covering this mad period in our game. It still feels so surreal.

[@DragonActual]

I like that you showed the maps in other perspectives/map views as well. I never thought it was possible to see the maps with tool software

[@Rman1228]

Never say never when you're a community dedicated to making the impossible possible to get the fastest possible time. This goes for a lot of closed-knit communities but I tend to find that ones that dive into technicals love to have crab mentality that stifles new innovation, fresh blood and new forms of thinking are how we evolve!

[@RainbowStaple]

It always amazes me how major skips are still being found for these old games. Absolutely fascinating

[@ImplodingChicken]

Are we naming these Zumo bounces or what?

[@GuanlongX]

It's been named the Dram Hop

[@SSDARKPIT]

​@GuanlongX that's kinda boring.

[@GuanlongX]

@@SSDARKPIT womp womp people still call it the super bounce anyway

[@juliancalero8012]

The community: "you can't do that" Zumo: "Satan is a pogo stick and he is a persistent being"

[@GuanlongX]

it was one person who said that

[@GolfcuBebe]

I actually got that glitch while playing solo grand prix. I was so pissed that I hit the enterance ceiling but was nevwr able to replicate. It insane now this glitch completely wiped out few records

[@Oshawatt]

Love when a new guy comes in with an idea that destroys a speedrun

[@realslimshaco8550]

What really got me was "after 18 years" like damn, already...?

[@8o3s87]

Finally something for the DS version 😅

[@Abyssoft]

My last MK video was also on MKDS

[@RobertMcKinnonMainChannel]

@@Abyssoft he might've been talking about new shortcuts rather than a new video, not sure though

[@8o3s87]

@@Abyssoft I meant shortcut wise, I think mario kart DS speedrunning is relatively niche compared to other mario kart speed run scenes so it’s nice to see big changes shortcut wise 👍 Also don’t worry I know, I watch all your videos 🙏

[@Cojosho97]

I’ve bounced while exploring in time trials before, but not like that. I love watching games I’ve interacted with get huge finds like this.

[@Goat0423]

Should be named the “MaestroPika got owned” skip

[@tomboy_kisser]

Fr, I love it when crabs try to shut people down and state opinions as if they're facts only to get proved wrong. So satisfying lol

[@GuanlongX]

i disagree

[@xdYama]

@@tomboy_kisseri know him personally, he’s a good guy. He thought it wasn’t possible and he didn’t want someone to waste their time

[@Winter_Fan_01]

He did antagonize himself by saying it was impossible, but hahaha that's normal of most people. Stuff has to be attempted recurrently, 5 and 10 and 40 times isn't enough. Maybe 41 attempts would just do the trick

[@4everdex]

If there is one thing thos speedrunning documentaries have taught me, it's that nothing (!) is impossible and declaring it that just makes it even more likely to happen. If it is theoretically possible, it will be done by some crazy maniac at some point to crush the record. Thats what i love avout speed running. The dedication people put into this is insane.

[@richtercl98]

i cannot describe how much i love speedrun progression update videos like this one. Always shows how strong the communities of each game work together! Thanks for sharing these stories with us outsiders

[@chunktuff]

I'm a router myself for other games, and I've also been told that something wasn't possible when I'd asked. Not only was it possible, but it wasn't even close to being impossible. It actually wasn't even hard to do, so I don't actually know what they did to prove to themselves that it was impossible, but it also doesn't matter. The takeaway I realized after a couple of these instances happening is that you have to rely on your own judgement if you want to know for sure.

[@nickk3077]

I guess this also explains why we never got the feather item in this game too. :P

[@lemonadogirl4082]

It is genuinely impressive how some speedrun discoveries are just the result of "so I was mucking about with this." Like how SM64DS got a couple new upwarp skip strats from NB's "can you beat the game without mario" challenge prompting Adeal to push the boundaries

[@Pixiuchu]

thats how the largest skip was found in Mario & Luigi Dream Team (saving 50 minutes by skipping Driftwood Shore), guy was just doing random stuff not even glitch hunting and found a "funny visual glitch" not even realizing what he had actually found. Sometimes all you need is someone doing stuff others wouldn't think of...

[@BUGFlower413]

Zumo really just woke up one day and decided _i'm going to make history in the Mario Kart DS speedrun community_

[@LRXC1]

This was so cool!!! I have also NEVER seen that Kart yoshi was using in waluigi pinball wtf

[@nabzy28]

I love all the great stuff these gamers discover in the older games. There have been some, over the years, that I even remember doing way back - but we had NO idea it was a 'skip' or incredibly difficult maneuver.

[@vietnamgamer9490]

It’s truly incredible what a dedicated community can do. Hats off to all of you in the community.

[@keksidy]

Love it whenever something game breaking is found becauses someone wanted to see what would happen if they played stupidly

[@weebsquit347]

I don't usually follow these things. But seeing people do wacky things to a classic game out of the blue is really cool to see.

[@hyphenhoik]

my complaints about Waluigi Pinball not having a shortcut has been addressed.

[@markymark443]

2:54 ironic because in Mario Kart Wii it’s the exact opposite 😂 players often tail dive in order to avoid getting unwanted bounces

[@eviloverlord2244]

Dude, you deserve more views, all your videos are super high quality, incredibly good

[@LoganL2008]

I had a feeling Abyssoft would be making a video about this 👍

[@zioplys]

Omg maybe this explains it. Years ago i played a vs race on bowsers castle, and on the 2nd turn i mushroomed and hopped for a drift, but hit an AI using a star. For some reason, and i think its the super bounce, i gained crazy air and flew off into the lava to the left of the start line. I couldnt get a replay of anything unfortunately

[@TioMagic]

if people used as much their time to solve their own or world life problems we would be so much way ahead. its cool to see their passion.

[@drag0neye7]

Speedrun documentaries are like crack to me and my 2 braincells trying to knit game dev socks. Always love your videos.

[@KnakuanaRka]

Ah, the nostalgia; I played the crap out of this game as a kid, especially Yoshi.

[@GalaticGarbage]

No way... I didn't think skips were possible. I recently found my old DSi and I've been playing mario kart to pass the time. I'm definitely trying out next time i boot up my game

[@metalclawsteelheart]

I'm suprised these OLD games are STILL being discovered, you'd think we know everything, and could recode the entire game from scratch by now.

[@smashdriven1640]

I haven’t played Mario Kart DS in so long but this was still fascinating to watch.

[@TheSuperDuperGuy54]

Fun fact: the luigis mansion cut is also possible in mk7,. Just slightly different

[@Mrqwerty2109]

0:50 Why haven't people figured out by now that people ALWAYS find a way. Matt Turk with Mike Tyson's Punch Out, Wind Waker Barrier Skip, Sub-5-minute Super Mario Bros. How can anyone say that something is impossible.

[@prellit]

we are humans and sometimes we make mistakes i guess

[@FullCitris]

So hype to see the best mario kart get attention :DDDDD

[@Itachi52496]

“Waluigi’s Pinball was also being investigated…” is hilarious out of context 😅

[@theartificialidiot6276]

Hell yeah one of my early childhood games is getting new skips that aren't TAS only

[@Luigi_Madyo]

I feel like as soon as Im not interested in mario kart, I keep having to come back for these glitch videos

[@polyplayer]

The game will be 20 years old next year. That’s crazy to think about.

[@dwalin619]

I´m not surprised a non pro found this. Pros just say "it wont work" or "thats not how its done".

[@VanessaDMusic]

Love that so many people including myself are still so interested in these older games

[@artemis_furrson]

"Mechanics in Mario Kart can be complex. And this video's sponsor Brilliant is a great asset for helping you learn about difficult topics." That segway caught me off guard wtf

[@patty4449]

Wait yall didnt know? My middle brother found that with a cheat module like a year after the games release... Honestly had no clue people didnt know since I havent touched the game in years or anything related to it... Ima check out some of my old ghost data to see if we have more skips we had found

[@shayes.x]

zumo reviving the whole community out of curiosity

[@Pikmin012]

So this is why my recommended feed has been filled with WRs for this ancient game.

[@differentman1878]

I hope the discovery gets to name the bounce

[@katepuddings2]

Two of the bounces actually have "official" names by the discoverers The Waluigi Pinball one is called "pinball dram" and the Delfino Square cut is called the "Zumo9x cut"

[@GuanlongX]

@@katepuddings2 i didn't know that lol

[@xxlarrytfvwxx9531]

Do you have to hit the key checkpoints in the right order? If not then maybe some rerouting can be done to find a faster FLAP?

[@GuanlongX]

yes

[@xxlarrytfvwxx9531]

@@GuanlongX So checkpoints hit in order, got it.

[@GuanlongX]

@@xxlarrytfvwxx9531 yes, the only reason we're able to skip the parts of the tracks we do is because those segments don't contain any key checkpoints

[@Megapples]

The most mind blowing thing for me is not the shortcuts or world records being achieved... You can have LESS than 3 shrooms on time trial????

[@artemisamberdrive583]

Imagine if zumo would have stopped after some expert said "it's not possible". Don't let anyone tell you what you can't do

[@Noname-e9k7k]

Hello Dry Bones, my old friend. My childhood self randomly picked the best character as his favorite again.

[@alaeriia01]

2:51 skips the ad

[@delilh325]

Zumo de papaya? Guava juice? Pure guava mang!

[@noisycow777]

So no one gonna talk about how that ad transition was smooth af?

[@JorgetePanete]

2:54 the down button does WHAT????????

[@evannelson9574]

Glad to see like this stuff being found for my first Mario kart game I played :)

[@labs824]

Wow this is incredible!!! Also, how can I access to all that invisible information of the map, like invisible walls, hitboxes and check points????

[@MageBurger]

You know things are going crazy in a speedrunning community when a commentator hits you with a "while I was editing this video..."

[@whoandgo]

Im so so glad MKDS is still being optimized

[@bahamutbbob]

I really don't care about speedruns, but man, the things that speedrunners find is often extremely fascinating!

[@Taegreth]

Very interesting video, you're really good at explaining these things in a way that most people can understand. Great job, looking forward to the next one.

[@ZoofyZoof]

I have a somewhat off topic question. How are you using karts with the wrong characters? I never had that option in my game. I couldn't use Waluigi's karts with Mario, for example.

[@ruipedrosousa8542]

You need to get gold trophies on all mirror cups. After that you can use any car with any character

[@GuanlongX]

@@ruipedrosousa8542 yes

[@diodebridge]

Finally, MKDS getting some love :D

[@Some_Awe]

people saying something isnt possible probably singlehanded ruined the curiosity in so many games the most

[@concrete_enema]

I think speedrunning is very cool!

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Dang, I never would've thought you'd be a able to use bouncing like that! I played MKDS for years... so why did this never cross my mind?

[@TrialzGTAS]

This is so cool! Love watching MKDS stuff

[@marcus8player]

that was super interesting! the nostalgia is huge 😄

[@TruecarioZ]

I've been doing these for fun for literal years, and killing myself by getting launched off the map with them, I never thought this game had clippable walls that I could exploit with this though.

[@maryo8039]

Bro guanlong is the dude who performed my fossil fighters frontier out of bounds methods randomly seeing him in a vid felt so weird

[@GuanlongX]

yeah that's me hi really cool to see you here

[@ShiniGGami]

bro I found that too but I thought everyone knew about it, like who tf discovers a new thing in 2023? welp, apparently me and this dude

[@ShiniGGami]

I even joined the discord for 2 days to ask about prb and could've just mentoined it but AAARGH now I'm not in a yt video maaan I'm stupid

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

And thats why you record your findings. Text and video.

[@ZekaOfficial]

Crazy that the pinball record got done 3 times in one run

[@danielsanchez8637]

i cant wait for the summoning salt video on this

[@Jermainskee]

It's here

[@danielsanchez8637]

@@Jermainskee lmfao I watched it 20 mins after it dropped but you a real one for keeping me informed gang

[@Jermainskee]

@@danielsanchez8637 fosho