NEW Smith & Wesson Shotgun: The S&W M&P 12

Smith & Wesson is making a shotgun (again), but this time, it's a futuristic dual-tube bullpup 12 gauge: The Smith & Wesson M&P 12 shotgun. Part of the "Military & Police" line, this tactical bullpup pump shotgun holds fifteen 2 3/4" shells, thirteen 3" shells, or TWENTY mini-shells. Operators switch from tube to tube by using a cross bolt tube selector switch. The M&P 12 uses AR-15 grips and has plenty of M-LOK and Picatinny rail for optics mounting. It’s a well thought out design, but with an MSRP of $1,165, how does it compare to competition such as the similar Kel-Tec KSG bullpup shotgun that has a $900 MSRP? Watch today’s video to find out.
Contents:
0:00 Intro
1:48 Features and Specs
5:14 Range Review
7:49 Reloading Tips
9:26 Conclusion and Summary
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[@schana96]

4:49 "a good foot of rail" was my nickname in college.

[@rickc2102]

🤣

[@domg6041]

Because you had trains ran on you?

[@lazor222]

Gotta rail those foot long lines

[@T_D_B_]

no gag reflex, eh?

[@jayzenitram9621]

LOL. Oh no, you forgot you put that in the TFB comments section. Brace for the homoerotic replies.

[@kyleshuler2929]

Smith & Wesson: Hey can I copy your homework? KelTec: Yeah, just change it a little so its not obvious.

[@PPSChadwick]

Except for Keltec makes absolute dog shit guns that aren’t made to last.

[@ricktoole9991]

Absolutely correct, it's been my observation that Keltec builds great weapons . One of the best out of the box thinking companies out there

[@TuckerDale89]

Standard Manufacturing: I said copy it not steal it

[@oleredwhiteandblue3613]

Why would they if they can make it better for cheaper

[@fullmindstorm]

@@oleredwhiteandblue3613 Yessir, agreed👏

[@mrmanceres7653]

I feel I should be fighting Xenomorphs with this.

[@adamswihart8661]

Right????

[@amandaberkland2731]

Just got mine in last week and I absolutely love it. I had no problems with reloading, whereas my husband struggled a bit. My guess is my fingers are smaller, so they didn't get in the way as much. Overall, we had no issues whatsoever, and we had a fun-ass day out at the range.

[@Mr196710]

It's comforting knowing that you guys in the LGBTQ community are comfortable with guns!

[@tomahawk5827]

“Bull pump curious”. LMAO. Gems like that makes TFB a great channel

[@orion789]

Absofuckinglutely

[@yatzi1980]

This needs to be a shirt

[@miletello1]

🤣

[@matthewbeaver5026]

"Wanna try molly" really caught me off guard. Lol

[@quiettime6871]

I identify as bullpump-curious

[@FluffRat]

"More like 50 years in the future..." >Takes out a shotgun from 2011.

[@Supernaught00]

Ha! You got eeeem!

[@dbrennan1523]

Right, KSG, DP-12, and others.

[@scotopicvision]

Considering smith and Wesson is typically 50 years behind. That statement is technically true

[@seanfinley3592]

I’ve shot the KSG a lot the S&W is a big must have for me but the big thing not talked about on this video is why bull pumps are so great. The KSG became a favorite of mine for clearing homes and structures and that’s because of how small it is for what you get. I’m super excited about the ability of the S&W’s external tube switch because I’ve always felt that was the biggest achilles’ heel to the KSG.

[@DDDYLN]

I've been leaning towards the Standard Manufacturer DP-12, because I honestly don't know if I can get the hang of switching barrels quickly. That said, you have to fire the DP-12 twice before pumping, which may also be difficult to get used to.

[@tonkashouse]

I found an extended tube selector switch for the KSG that makes it so you can easily switch between tubes simply with your wrist. Your hand never leave position to switch.

[@seanfinley3592]

@@tonkashouse can you tell me who makes it or where you bought it?

[@tonkashouse]

@@seanfinley3592 Bull Pup Armory Extended Tube Switch. Kel Tea should just install it to start with. It takes about 2 seconds to learn how to use.

[@LaughingMan44]

You clear a lot of homes and structures while larping?

[@MikeMo900]

Just bought one. Sure is a unique firearm from M&P and definitely feels the best out of all the bullpumps or semi autos. Very light and rigid. Also surprisingly comfortable to handle and aim. I love it

[@orion789]

Honestly, as a content creator, James is singularly one of the most entertaining youtubers out there. Totally. Absolutely love his videos. Even if i had no interest in guns I'd still watch this channel religiously.

[@tfbtv]

Aw

[@lungcanc3r666]

Did you match with him on grinder too?

[@xDreadheadx]

It's the shorts..

[@Cheka__]

And he's one of the most ardent supporters of the LGBTQ community

[@mattberg6816]

💯

[@NOCTKINETICS]

Smith and Wesson is now copying Keltec.... Wow what a time we are living in.

[@TuckerDale89]

Well they did make the governor

[@justinwells6795]

Except that this will be better quality and s&w will actually manufacture enough so anyone who wants one can find one. I like kel tec but they are notorious for coming up with an innovative idea and then you never see one for sale at your local shop.

[@VMEMotor5]

KelTec is very good at innovation. They are not real good at QC and they completely suck at getting enough of their guns to the market place so people who want them can actually find one to buy. This new S&W will be a product improved KSG. Just like the Governor is a product improved Judge and the Ruger LCP is a product improved P3AT.

[@Crazcosmopwnu]

@@justinwells6795 Smith and Wesson is also a much larger company with around 2,200 employees to Kel Tec's 12-20

[@carlitotiger4570]

It's good to see s&w go out of there comfort zone . There bullpup will be way better than Kel-Tec. I had that crappy shotgun for a year all it did was jam on me all the time. Kel-Tec wouldn't fix it unless I showed proof of purchase. I never had a manufacturer ask for that.

[@sirkai007]

I've always thought on guns like the KSG, the mag tube switch was meant to be your emergency reload.

[@anhomunculous1454]

“50years from now?” The KSG has been out for a long ass time

[@clinicalcrimson1432]

If they just flip it upside down and make a few changes, they will have created the real life Halo shotgun.

[@thetallone7605]

Kinda surprised nobody's made that gun yet. It'd be great for quick top offs

[@mikebender7434]

Real life Halo ? LOL if only bro

[@hobbstactv2571]

It's called the Neostead Combat shotgun from South Africa.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Yeah.

[@Spazzgasm90]

Take the hand rail off the KS7 and that looks pretty close

[@SciFiGunFighter]

Coming this summer, bersa makes a long range precision rifle... 2021 the simulation is getting weird.

[@guslulou8428]

Pre

[@Brazilian.Off.Duty.Cop.]

Bersa is making a precision rifle? Where can I see this?

[@orion789]

Lol. U sound like Elon

[@rickc2102]

And this winter, Kel-Tec will drop its fully-auto battle rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@NoGufff]

@@guslulou8428 probably southern

[@toddfeltman3748]

Customers: Hey S&W, how about a really cool PCC in 9mm or 10mm? S&W: We thought you'd never ask! Here's a shotgun that no one asked for!

[@sephcrow]

So true

[@kadiabarenbaum7252]

I'm sure someone asked...this short a setup is a great hallway..self defense weapon for home or breeching configurations..

[@necavenue]

It looks like a KSG rippoff

[@f1reguy587]

…I’ve never wanted to buy a shotgun more than until I saw this thing. Gimme.

[@kadiabarenbaum7252]

@@necavenue I'm not sure calling a design improvement a ripoff makes sense..no pins to pound out..interior dissassembly..3 parts..solid machining ..what's the issue?

[@dr.g6105]

This was one of the best reviews I've ever seen. Clear, practical, even handed, and thorough. Thank you.

[@harryballsagna2418]

"Look at that subtle matte black coloring; the tasteful thickness of the fore-end. Oh my god, it even has downward ejection."

[@motorsport2k]

See that shade of white? That’s “bone”..see that other one? That’s “eggshell”

[@nolagospeltracts8264]

Let's see Paul Allen's shotgun.

[@RealTacticalHobo]

The fact the S&W is launching a bull pump is great! Even if it doesn’t take off, the fact that they are willing to try something NEW (to them at least) is awesome. Hope for more new products soon!

[@very7962]

When glock finally makes an AR, hell freezes over

[@michaelbaker8284]

They dropped the T/C brand so they have opened up factory space to make more pistols and new stuff.

[@DinoArmy13]

This isnt new its a ksg clone plain and simple

[@mephInc]

@@DinoArmy13 Learn to read

[@Matityahu-the-God]

@@DinoArmy13 yeah, what's wrong with that? If people didn't clone a product, you wouldn't have most of the guns we have today. You think every single weapon's action was designed from scratch? 🤣

[@seanricker9817]

"Make sure you get a full, lengthy stroke...." Thanks for that little gem, James. And now I will do my part to start calling my KS7 and all others, "bull-pumps."

[@I_am_archie]

Thank you James, for the full stroke review of the Bull-Pump M&P 12.

[@johnparrish9215]

I wish they had made it a semi-auto instead of a direct copy of the KSG.

[@MrObeast44]

I would go as far as saying a subpar copy of the KSG at that.

[@corvidconfidential8826]

@@MrObeast44 as a die hard KSG fanbird, I must say this gun does look really cool, it's like looking at ar-15s. KSG is an m16a1 or AR10, this is a dan defense m-lock bubba-15

[@jefftuckercfii]

Hey, but with that MSRP you can pretend it is a semi-auto...seriously, over $1100 bucks for a pump gun, even if it is a bullpup? Ridiculous. That's as much as I paid for my Beretta 1301 Competition gun, which runs flawlessly. And this gun is going to have teething problems, like the problems with loading and those "loading assist" buttons where you have to be careful how much pressure to apply lest you get the entire contents of the mag tube dumping out.

[@Sevisstillalive]

@@jefftuckercfii Do you like AR style shotguns ? Or do you like the Old school hand grip/ holding it.

[@jefftuckercfii]

@@Sevisstillalive Some of the AR type shotguns are okay, but they seem really heavy and the ones I've seen lack the ability to adjust the length of the stock, which is one of the best things about AR ergonomics. If you know how to run an AR the skillset transfers over quite easily, though, so that's one advantage. The problem is they can be picky about cycling certain lighter loads, just like a lot of other semis. They can also be very picky about magazines, sometimes double feeding, or failing to feed, or failing to lock open on an empty mag. There used to be a company that did some custom mods to the MKA 1919 shotgun that's probably the oldest AR style. These ran very reliably, but I haven't been able to find the company. EAA is currently selling this shotgun under their name and you can get it at Sportman's Warehouse. But these are getting the same complaints as before, only heavy loads will cycle properly (00 buck and slugs). Bottom line I still like my Beretta 1301 best.

[@kungfukitten6735]

Never thought s&w would make a keltec clone

[@vockski3173]

@@justinofboulder performance keltecs would be nice, but it would not save some of their junky designs. Its just a consequence of innovating.

[@baguettelord4614]

@@justinofboulder don't get your hopes up. It's an m&p line weapon. Meaning it's budget and likely pretty bad.

[@north_borne3673]

@@baguettelord4614 lmao what? Dunno what you're smoking but I'd hardly call anything in the M&P "Budget" considering most of what they offer is still at a median price and quite quality.

[@ArmedChicano]

If Smith and Wesson me to Caltech sub 2000 it would be fucking amazing I’m not a fan of Caltech using 95% polymer on all of their guns

[@lordhades9455]

@@baguettelord4614 except that M&Ps are generally pretty good and reliable

[@davidnovakovich5583]

That’s a “load assist” switch, not “lotus” switch, I finally figured out. Getting old has a downside once in a while.

[@mixflip]

Lol....me too.

[@IHavAnAkimbonr]

lmao. I totally heard lotus too

[@MilitantMountaineer]

I was like wtf is a lotus switch

[@SaraphDarklaw]

I used to hear “James Gan” instead of “James again” during his intros.

[@onosta]

Thanks for that correction. I just saw the ENT Dr too.

[@SwampNiggaVideos]

I love that the fish tail grooves are becoming a S&W trademark

[@doubleutubefan5]

Now I want to see about 10 different shooters all try this gun, the ksg, and the DP12. 3 guns. 10 people. looking at comfort, reload speed, attachment capabilities, reliability and price point.

[@rickc2102]

This!

[@matthewbeaver5026]

Is the dp12 also a bullpup? Not familiar with it. I would add an ak patterned 12g to that list. If not for price being a consideration I'd say forget it and go 1301.

[@MikeHawk7]

@@matthewbeaver5026 Yes, DP-12 is a bullpup as well. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned in the video.

[@knifedance2402]

The DP 12 is a heavy, awkward kludge. The progressive trigger is also…really odd. Personally I would consider this and the KSG to be superior to it for any practical purpose.

[@FelixDKatz-tb7or]

Me and my DP-12 were leading all till you threw that price part in there.

[@chaburchak]

Hey, the Keltec RDB Survival is pretty cool, Smith and Wesson should "innovate" one of those too...

[@TheRyandahlgren]

If smith and Wesson can nail the reliability aspect that keltec is always missing they’d eat their lunch

[@JS-qi1ou]

@@TheRyandahlgren honestly I'll take the reliability issues over the same old bullshit that bigger manufacturers keep churning out.

[@TheRyandahlgren]

@@JS-qi1ou my purchasing power is limited, i cant afford to buy multiple guns (range toy, hunting shotgun, self defense etc) its much more economical (and important for me) to have a single firearm that is reliable. its why i haven't been convinced to move away from the mossberg 500 for the money.

[@JS-qi1ou]

@@TheRyandahlgren this comment wasn't aimed to you, its for the guys like myself with more than 20 firearms. There are guys that will only buy for brand recognition regardless of it's durability or functionality. For instance I have a friend that only buys Henry Rifles and Glock handguns. I have such a mash up I couldn't imagine having everything being so similar, I just like all the different designs.

[@kingferguson1]

TFB: "S&W is listening to its customers." Customers: "We hate the action lock in your revolvers." S&W: "......TFB, have you shown our customers the shotgun we copied from Keltec?"

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

I heard their newer actions in their revolvers are shit, I wouldn't know from experience I have older Smiths who's action is like a fine Swiss watch. But are they really that terrible?

[@kingferguson1]

@@JustinLaFleur1990 IDK. I refuse to buy their revolvers because of that action lock. You are 100% correct on the quality of the pre-locks though.

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

@@kingferguson1 I own an original 4 inch S&W model 586 no dash and a 6 inch S&W model 629-4 both very fine weapons.

[@nothing2seehere.goaway]

Patiently awaiting the M&P 12 vs. KSG vs. Tavor TS-12 shootout. 😁

[@jimmydunn2231]

Yes!!!!!

[@jondavidmcnabb]

Looks like good old George Kelgrin licensed his ksg to S&W. Bravo George about time there was an adequate supply.

[@Crangaso]

Great review, as always James! "Bullpump-curious," I see this term entering the 2A vernacular. Practice makes perfect: To prevent operator induced equipment malfunction, my wife learned not to short-stoke but fully-stroke the Bull Pump & ensure I'm fully loaded.

[@Vex916T]

The fact that it's so difficult to reload makes me have no desire to buy this shotgun when a regular shotgun does the same effect and much easier to load.

[@brazenbull636]

Trade offs. With this, one reloads half as much. If you run dry with this and there's still a threat, just run. Unless you got covering fire..

[@anthonyluisi7096]

This is a fail ..you should have no problems loading a damn shotgun under stress ..

[@warrenharrison9490]

How many rounds does your shotgun hold?

[@jayquick6520]

@@warrenharrison9490 9 shots and when that runs dry I can breach load off my side saddle very quickly. Standard pump shotguns are the king of home defense. Time tested designs that just run. When this KSG clone runs dry you are in trouble. My SXP Defender holds 6 shots but the rotating bolt shoots the pump back so in the middle of taking a shot I can prepare the next shell to be breached and do that until I’m out of ammo. Not empty mag out of ammo I mean there are literally no shells left in sight. It’s the perfect self defense shotgun. Ease of use. Practical design. Actual innovation not just a copy off some other company. This is a cool looking shotgun but belongs in the same class as a shockwave. It’s not practical and the hardware is new so despite this guys gun running fine who knows what will happen down the line. To answer your question my shotgun holds as many rounds as I can carry… and then some.

[@michaelshepherd7572]

@@jayquick6520 not practical? Once again, if you need more ammo than this holds (in a self defense situation) you’ve got much bigger problems. Besides everyone knows it’s quicker to switch to your sidearm than reload.

[@roosterboy7357]

I love the fact that they kept the pistol grip from their handguns

[@joe1940]

A semi-auto version of this shotgun would be cool.

[@blankman6179]

Iwi ts12 is the way to go

[@lennysinnet8567]

@@blankman6179 The TS-12 Blow's away all others.

[@venomfang8560]

@@blankman6179 I would add that to match my tavor 7 but Canada's firearm laws are bs. Still have my DP 12 though🤓

[@JohnDoe-nf7up]

@@lennysinnet8567 who doesn't want a fucking massive, complex gun with a bunch of extra failure points for 1 more shell than fixed dual tubes that could be easily swapped between and can't jam between tubes

[@blankman6179]

@@venomfang8560 Sadface

[@nokiot9]

Nobody: “Tube feds are obsolete-“ S&W: adds a second tube

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Kel-Tec: are we a joke to you?

[@filasophies4423]

I would rather buy a KSG then a KSG clone.

[@martylucas8557]

@@filasophies4423, unless the clone is a superior build, with superior ergos.

[@orcabolgsweetie2430]

@@martylucas8557 imo dp-12 shits on them both

[@chmandcrm]

@@orcabolgsweetie2430 absolutely not

[@aquaisuseful682]

It makes me happy that guns actually look like I hoped they would back when I was a kid, so futuristic and cool

[@McDylanNuggets]

I wish it automatically switched to the other magazine when the first runs empty.

[@thomasrobinson9374]

Oh that would have liberals "up in arms" for it being to easy to load a round in the chamber. We can't have that now.

[@archcunningham5579]

@@thomasrobinson9374 Really want to upset the liberals ? Put a bayonet lug on it ! L.O.L.

[@eddie10191]

Next gen trust. Always something new up their sleeve.

[@davissonnguyen]

It is engineered to be tactical when you need to switch different shells for different situations.

[@ravenzero7222]

If you want that then go with the UTS 15 it will cycle shell both tubes so you can fire all 15 shell none stop

[@archeverything]

Just when I was hoping for some more shotgun content, TFB TV delivers.

[@olsk0004]

I’m getting a “KSG from Turkey” vibe from S&W.

[@chucknorris1458]

Nice! I like the reliability of my smith and wesson firearms! I have a kel tec ksg and I love it never had a problem with it ever! I cant wait to shoot one of these to compare! I haven't been excited for a new firearm in a while!

[@brett9382]

I got myself a keltec ks7. Absolutely love it, supper light weight and reliable. Personally not a big fan of the dual mag tubes that all the other bullpumps have like the m&p 12. I just don't think the added ammo capacity justifies the complexity and weight. Reloading a bullpump after a while really isn't to bad if you don't try to treat it like an 870.

[@thatguyoverthere2288]

Coming next week! Hk releases a $900 MP5, Colt actually innovates something and keltec produces fast enough to keep product on shelves

[@_DST0NE_]

It's definitely badass looking but I'm not too impressed with the reloading.

[@antoninchango6503]

Agree and plus a lot some ricoil f

[@ericwilliams538]

I'm sure that will get better over time.

[@onionhead5780]

I agree but if I need more then 14 rounds……I’m in some big trouble.

[@ericwilliams538]

@@onionhead5780 that's why you should have multiple firearms available to you. That may not be a luxury for everyone I understand this. Then if you dont, take out your "targets" very carefully...

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Yeah, the NS2000 had the best as it was break-action ish.

[@DDDYLN]

I'd love to see a full comparison between this M&P12, the Kel-Tec KSG, and the Standard Manufacturer DP-12. I understand the DP-12 is a different setup, in that there's no barrel switching. You said the M&P12 is a much more premium design than the Kel-Tec KSG. However, I'd argue the SM DP-12 is the most well made of these 3 (the increased price does reflect this). I guess what interests me most is reliability, and ease of reloading. Reloading isn't the biggest deal, though. I suspect most people will buy these for home defense, as they hold so many 2.75" shells when compared to a standard shotgun. It certainly would be a massive capacity improvement over my 1980 Remington 1100.

[@mikey69lover50]

This guys humor is like no other!! I bet he’s a blast to hang with!!

[@BrassBashers]

*randomly skips through video to see gun "That looks cool". "And speaking of MSRP that's gonna be eleven-hundred and sixty five dollars." "Fuuuuuuuck youuuuuuu." *goes back to bed

[@danapeck5382]

Great review, I'll be keeping my Tavor TS-12

[@backwoodsbrooksknives4625]

Kel-Tec has their gen 2 KSGs pretty dialed in and the base model can still be had for $800ish. The addition of the choke is nice but not really necessary considering with a good slug you can get relatively accurate shots with the KSG up to two hundred yards. Also, the within the range of standard buck and bird you would use an 18inch barreled shotgun at, the pattern is already so close you are practically getting slug performance any how.

[@dravidiantommylinson3880]

Good on Smith for departing from the traditional. However, this seems to be a heavy, high-bore axis, expensive version of the KSG and copying the ultralight, more practical KS7 for an identical price would have made more sense IMO. I already have a KSG but honestly I want to get a KS7... 5.9 ibs! 2 tubes is fun but unnecessarily adds an extra pound

[@katmandoo122]

I have the KSG (which I love) but have this question. What does the KS7 do that other pumps don't? Say, the Mossberg 590, which you can get for less than $400 at times. I ask because I actually love supporting KT due to their innovation (even if they sometimes fail) but don't quite understand the KS7. It is just because it's a bullpu(m)p? Because it's about ~1 lb lighter?

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

@@katmandoo122 Basically it is all about the bullpup and the fact that it’s a lighter version of the KSG that gives you the same functionality as your run of the mill pump action while also offering a more compact design than other shotguns with the same shell/ ammo capacity. If you already have a reg KSG it may not make sense to get a KS7 (unless you just want one, that is). But for anyone like myself that likes the design, doesn’t have a KSG and would love to have a bullpup, it’s a very attractive SG

[@LucasFerreira-qx6kr]

How is a long gun that has the barrel right in line with the shoulder, high bore axis?

[@ThePikmin18]

I love my KS7

[@mattarchey9062]

Hey hey hey Mr. S&w simply beautified the ksg

[@dking6412]

Been there done it already, Kel Tec KSG satisfied 💪🏾

[@kcexactly]

This video was playing in the background of a Snapchat clip I saw from Kabul. The entire country of Afghanistan is collapsing but some TFBTV fan in Kabul isn't going to miss your latest video. If I were James I would be pretty impressed.

[@commandZee]

Something tells me the only serious use this shotgun will ever see is in movies.

[@xhag1x]

Looks like smith and wesson are adding more to their M&P collection nice

[@jameskrivitsky9715]

Thanks for the video James. I own a KelTec KSG and have used a variety of 2-3/4 as well as the Aguila shorties, small shot and slugs. All do well and give multiple victim...oops , I mean "target"- results. Ideal home close quarters firearm. I do like the tube switch being forward of the trigger on the Smith & Wesson. So far, I would like to see a long term comparison to see which model holds up with rigorous usage. Hope you and all friends in Louisiana have a swift storm and Covid recovery. JwgK in Houston

[@stevemarzocco4983]

“Awkwardly comfortable...”. Not quite the story of my life, but it surely might have been, if not for a few “refinements to my aiming”, so-to-speak. :)

[@NuclearSandwich7]

Stoked to see more bull pup shotguns coming out. That being said, i see a lot of people talking about the KSG being unreliable. Mine has ran great, and does everything I ask of it.

[@UmbraKamui]

Same with mine never had any issues

[@JS-qi1ou]

Watch out, there are guys on here that only spread their cheeks for massive manufacturers that haven't done anything innovative in the past 50 years.

[@neilreid2298]

Both of my KSG's have been great. Funny how many keyboard warriors rag on the KSG. When you ask them "have you owned one?" or even "have you shot one?", the answer us usually something like, "well no, but a friend of mine said he heard this was true".

[@frog_stomp]

Had to change the followers on my KSG. Other than that it's been amazing

[@AC_702]

Same. No problems with mine

[@brians5415]

Seriously Smith & Wesson really should just make a pulse rifle already. "10 millimeter explosive tip caseless. Standard light armor piercing round, why?"

[@daryelthomas9414]

Railgun anyone?

[@BigBear--]

Don’t forget the sharp sticks…you can maybe fry a whole steak with those puppies!

[@jamesdoss4212]

Still no phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range? Get on it S&W.

[@Sleepy_Alligator]

F the pulse rifle. I need a phaser rifle.

[@ryanbrown938]

( Simon Phoenix in 2025 per 90's definition ) If this supposed to be the future, WHERE ARE ALL THE LASER GUNS?!?!?!?

[@rubixfilms687]

This thing is love at first sight. Smith and wesson has always been my favorite. Gotta get this!

[@thomastaylor5239]

You into ugly girls too?

[@archcunningham5579]

I agree ! I never was interested in AR 15s until Smith and Wesson started making them. Bought two of them and the quality is outstanding.

[@rubixfilms687]

@@archcunningham5579 yes same! I always told myself if I ever buy an AR-15 it's gonna be by a good company. Rn I currently have an M&P sport 2 on layaway can't wait to get it.

[@archcunningham5579]

@@rubixfilms687 If you get a chance, try to get your hands on some military ''Green Tip '' ammo for your new AR. Both myself and a friend who also owns a Smith and Wesson AR have gotten phenomenal accuracy with it. Commercial ammo doesn't come close to it. Good Luck !

[@rubixfilms687]

@@archcunningham5579 yeah I got some been stocking up on them can't wait to shoot em👍

[@hereforthechips7710]

I thought this was weird until I saw this review. Dual tubes!? Able to handle minis too! That’s awesome. Plus it is a CQB weapon. My next shotgun!

[@thomaszimmerman8682]

Hey I’m really excited to see S&W innovating and trying new things!

[@RedMcCloud]

It’s a KSG with more plastic on it. That’s not innovation at all.

[@PopBubbleWrappable]

Between the M&P 12 and the KSG, I'll go with the Benelli M4.

[@dbrennan1523]

Agree, I have a DP-12 which is a safe queen and have shot a KSG, but for tactical situations my Beretta 1301 is my goto.

[@lukenydam3772]

Made me laugh so hard, I absolutely agree.

[@dTheHammerb]

KSG all day

[@JohnDoe-sx2zk]

@@dTheHammerb ksg and benelli

[@shirolee]

hahaha

[@poonanji6859]

It's so nice having such good GunTubers now. Back in the day when it was just Hickok

[@rockyroaddoublescoop7052]

1st time catching one of your reviews... bad ass! I love it

[@HaydenCarroll]

When you think it's an April Fools joke, and remember it's August.

[@xefitnop]

Exactly what I thought when I saw the thumbnail.

[@josholdham1033]

That looks very interesting. As usual, Keltec really drives innovation and firearms trends but often can’t deliver on final quality, sadly. I like Keltec for how they run their business, if not the Sig-repeated customer-driven-and-funded beta R&D. But we all benefit from other companies standing on their shoulders

[@scullcap357]

those scumbags stopped us from having the aa12s scumbags .

[@kellywalker8407]

Work on a Keltec 9mm today. Very clever yet simple design but with absolute crap quality. Damn shame.

[@ltribley]

Keltec, great innovators, but agree on less than ideal manufacturing quality. I recently purchased their long barrel CP33 22LR target pistol for the range and competition. I am very disappointed in the overall quality including the thin, uncomfortable (non-interchangeable) grip. They innovate with the use of several 3D printed parts. These are plastic and the printing quality is excellent. The use of Direct Metal Laser Sinterin 3DP (and other types) would change the firearms industry and significantly reduce costs. There is no need to manufacture large numbers of parts for inventory. Simply print the parts in real-time, on demand additive manufacturing. Have exactly 175 rounds on the CP33 and can already see signs of trigger metal fatigue. Love the concept, but will probably sell it.

[@HR-rt9nh]

I dunno what you all talking about... KSG is a great firearm.. sold built, works great, never failed at range.

[@eb5671]

My KS-7 is amazing

[@josecabrera614]

I was set on the Ksg …but after watching this video I’ve changed my mind…I’m getting the M&P 12… Thanks Brother great video …

[@CTTX89]

My local shop just told me they are about to get some of these. This video popping up is a sign.

[@DAP-1776]

I’d rather have the semi auto beretta.

[@pulsiui4003]

My gf calls me her bull pump

[@JohnZ556]

Have to agree with you, Benelli M4 or 1301 LTT FTW! KSG is fun only after you got the face pad, extended tube switch, muzzle brake, and... after a warranty repair so it actually works.

[@AnnoyoTribe]

I like to see companies change it up. I have a KSG and while I haven't run a ton of shells through it, I have it set up how I like. My friend fell in love with it, so I'll show him this to get for his 12 Guage needs

[@lilswank2012]

Did you buddy ever get it? Do you like your KSG? Wanting to get one for myself and stuck between the KSG and this M&P12.

[@AnnoyoTribe]

@@lilswank2012 I still very much enjoy the KSG. I'm looking at the A300 Ultima Patrol from Beretta as well. My buddy ended up going with another shotgun. I think it's a Turkish made shotgun

[@lilswank2012]

@@AnnoyoTribe sounds good, I’m an M&P fan as I have a few handguns by them and I love them. Just wasn’t sure which gun to go with as I am already biased lmao. Thank you

[@williamamacker3119]

Awesome shotgun Smith and Wesson continues to Amaze me thank you for your videos always great videos ☘️🤘🇺🇸

[@CesarChavez-bn6iv]

Definitely on my list to get can’t wait

[@wonderloaf]

Non lock revolvers is what they need to do again.

[@edstringer1138]

Using modern materials make a 32 mag Slightly smaller than a I frame revolver , Slight bigger that a NAA but with a good DA. Built in laser /light Since they own criminson Trace ...decent trigger

[@montycasper4300]

Sadly, seems in 21 most revolver manufacturers (S&W, Colt and Kimber) have gone the other way and reduced their revolver offerings. Pity, since in reality 90% of civilian handgun owners would be better served with a revolver.

[@blkft]

@@montycasper4300 I know, right? I been looking for a S&W 648 in .22M. No stocky anywhere.☹️

[@paulh6101]

All we want from S&W right now is a shield plus trigger in their double stack pistols. Thanks

[@jeffcopenhaver2217]

What Paul H said 👍🏻

[@robc5082]

Right?! And why did it take so long to CORE all things?! Sigh...

[@Ideo7Z]

Facts

[@hoytecarelock3385]

Thank you. You honest review was great. I makes my decision about this systems very easy.

[@rayhanes1347]

Amazing watching James long enough to see a bit of pepper developing in his beard. We're all aging and moving forward in life together. Can't wait to get a little grey..or maybe not 😄

[@gearbarrel6237]

Press the bottom “soft” and it’s easier load. Press it harder and it craps out all the shells??? Guessing this is gonna be an big issue under stress. We shall see

[@Bryan_Kay]

Hopefully holds enough shells that you shouldn't have to reload.

[@molonlabia1888]

If the situation is that far gone, you and your shotgun might as well crap yourselves together.

[@jerrywalker6043]

If you need to fire that many rounds "under stress" and you need to reload, there's going to be more than shells crapped out all over the place.

[@InsAznKlown3]

I do love my KSGs, I bought one early at the unicorn stage then one later when they were everywhere at almost half the original cost. I'm interested to see how well this compares and have they fixed what some have thought of as negatives from Kel Tec.

[@hemaccabe4292]

If that was a semi, I’d be excited.

[@jimmyliddell2072]

You should check out the Panzer Arms BP-12

[@hemaccabe4292]

@@jimmyliddell2072 Thanks. Good suggestion. Tavor didn't really stay with their normal formula for their shotgun. PA's is almost like a more Tavor, Tavor. Those 5 round mags are huge though.

[@jimmyliddell2072]

@@hemaccabe4292 Yeah, it’s not the ideal shotgun yet, but that certainly hasn’t kept me from drooling over it, ha ha.

[@JackSuicide69]

You should definitely check out the IWI TS-12. If you want a semi-automatic with high-capacity and not a pump action. Had mine for a month and we went through 150 shells without a single misfire

[@Snowstrider0001]

I'll have to keep an eye on it. Most of my interest in bullpups comes from the form factor. A longarm that fits in my car is better than one that doesn't after all.

[@TalkingHands308]

9:40 "Hey Joe, can you just randomly throw shot shells at the gun while I film it?" "Uh, sure..."

[@Paul_Colton_]

It's inevitable I will talk myself into purchasing this...

[@billhman]

I don't understand why reviewers are always apologizing for a gun being a little on the heavy side. First of all, this is not a gun I'm going to carry in the field all day. It's a tactical weapon. Also, I like a gun that's heavier especially in a pump shotgun. It helps tame the 12 gauge recoil. And the less recoil the better control and faster repeat shots you can make.

[@randomidiot8142]

In this video, short shorts guy tries to make bullpump more popular and mentions how good he is at long stroking. Honorable mention goes to pushing the button just right before entry.

[@mikea.6608]

The Smithec KS12!!! Awesome 👏🏾

[@ChrisG1392]

Amazing how identical it is to the KSG. Literally a clone.

[@John_Redcorn_]

Except the smith actually works

[@ridhosamudro2199]

It's the Sigma all over again

[@neopup1776]

@@John_Redcorn_ I see someone hasn’t touched a KSG

[@ChrisG1392]

@@John_Redcorn_ KSG is actually used by some special forces units. I think the S&W would be a lot nicer given the improved ergonomics but the KSG is not a bad gun

[@gasgod7404]

@@neopup1776 i have, its dog shit

[@nicholasplesko533]

I'm still waiting for a mod for the dp 12 to fire both barrels simultaneously. This seems like a step back.

[@nocount7517]

As per the AFT, that would turn it into a machine gun.

[@nicknack8459]

@@nocount7517 Unless the mod added a second trigger, say 2 slim triggers (equal to the side of the current trigger) that when pulled fired both barrels

[@thomcad]

Pressure.

[@StandardMfgLLC]

We messed with the idea but that's a lot of 12 Gauge at one time.

[@meatbyproducts]

Glad to see Kel Tec taking hold. The only company trying new things.

[@Veritas419]

They lost me at the awkward reloading.

[@1977Yakko]

While this does seem like a gimmick and is and likely always will be a niche market for this style of build but in its defense, if the problem can be solved with 14 shots in the tubes, then it just wasn't meant to be solved.

[@giovannipomarico2035]

"2021 : Beretta's making revolvers" Shows a French revolver in production since 1973. I laughed.

[@Shep01]

its spelled "laughed"

[@giovannipomarico2035]

@@Shep01 Thanks ^^ But still not a Beretta :p

[@tfbtv]

A bit of a stretch to make it work but you smelled what I was stepping in.

[@troy9er]

Nice looking bull pup. Love the M&P slide serration copy!

[@Tinytim77758]

Man, the gen 2 of this is going to be awesome!

[@Darkpool79]

This is the way

[@mothrone]

Great video, as always. Hopefully this will satiate the market so I can get a KSG finally

[@ArchGeek]

Reloading this piece…Woof. Very happy with my TS12.

[@llewellyn56]

love it. great video

[@tyb3938]

Steep learning curve to run that gun. Looks like fun, with my low recoil slugs but it would be a long time before I would rely on it for self defense. Would be great if it automatically switched over to the full magazine when one runs dry.

[@no1bandfan]

Oof. I only spent $600 on my KSG. This is a bit of a stretch for me.

[@darrylstone1047]

Great review!

[@WILSON-tc4bb]

That is such a huge slap in the face to Manhurin to say "Beretta's Making Revolvers" holy shit

[@philipmullin5302]

I really like that gun it’s compact and it looks like it may make a home defense gun . But with a msrp of 1100 it puts out of my price range. But overall it’s a nice looking gun

[@Seasniffer69]

I'll keep my panzer arms bullpup mag fed 12g. After a weekend shooting to break in the recoil spring its been good to go with 0 hiccups since. Not a bad $600 buy during covid.

[@blacktoastmcbiscut8650]

Just get a shockwave for little less than half the price.

[@josephcwallace]

I'd love to see a side by side comparison of this gun with the KSG. Specifically I'm thinking of how well each ejects spent shells. I have a KSG and sometimes (more often then I would like) I have to stop to get my last spent round out of the chamber. It seems like the contours that help keep the chamber closed during fire can get in the way and dent the rim of a ejecting shell...sometimes not letting it go. Anyway...I would love to see if S&W does this a lot better.

[@johnfriend862]

Joseph, that's interesting, you might want to contact Kel-Tec about that. I have been carrying a KSG on duty since they were released, I qualify with it quarterly with buck and slugs, have shot a LOT of rounds through it and have never had any issue with ejection. It does have a bit more recoil than I'd like, but I'll put up with that for the size, mag capacity and functionality. What I love about the side by side selectable feed tubes is that I load one with buck and one with slugs, so I have my choice of what I load when I remove it from the car.

[@josephcwallace]

@@johnfriend862 I actually did contact kel-tec about it and sent the gun back in Nov 2020 for repair. They replaced several internal parts and the issue did improve noticeably but it is not gone. If it matters, I typically train with 2 3/4" bird shot shells (I have a lot of those). As the action is a manual pump and shell rim dimensions are standardized I would not expect that to make a difference.

[@dennyferguson753]

Joe Wallace mine does the same thing. Just got it a month ago.

[@mobilemcsmarty1466]

great vid as usual, thanks! the bullpups sure are interesting. this one, like the others, seem kind of fussy. I like the extra capacity but I want speed and reliability. I didn't shoot this one yet but I'm seeing a boom-wait-pump-boom sequence in all the shots. I'm comparing this to my favorite shotgun, the Winchester 1300. marketing called it a "Speed Pump." you put pressure towards you on the pump before you pull the trigger and you get an as advertised boom-pump-boom effect. it's still at the shooters choice whether to put in the "wait" part but I'm super curious whether this S&W, or the KelTec for that matter can do it like the 1300, can they?

[@bmx7596]

The Governor/Judge 410 pistol shotguns are super underrated when you use the specialized 410 loads for handguns. Ironically, they go from a meme to one of the best handguns for HOME defense.

[@derek4117]

410 000 Federal handgun buckshot makes them a monster but that's really the only option.

[@bmx7596]

@@derek4117 Federal 000 buck is good. But Lehigh makes a specialized bullet that only fits the Judge's extended cylinder. The wound channel is 2..3 inches wide!

[@mikeb2496]

Don't forget PDX 12BB's and 4 .40cal disks. Pretty hard to miss w 60 BBs and 20 40. cal disks on five trigger pulls.

[@bmx7596]

@@mikeb2496 I think the discs are good, but those BBs just take up space. They don't do anything in terms of penetration. Probably piss someone off though. The discs penetrate less than 000 buck too, about 4 inches difference.