New Tesla Model 3 Performance Top Speed & Extreme Thermal Stress Test! Yikes, Improvements Needed

Kyle, Vanessa, and Moritz take the new Tesla Model 3 Performance Highland Refresh (euro spec w/ LG battery) on an adventure to hit the top speed on a derestricted section of Germany Autobahn! They battle thermal issues, traffic, and more but eventually do hit the top speed and end up absolutely overheating the entire car. Join them as they evaluate not just the acceleration or straight line performance, but also the thermal performance of the vehicle.
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[@jgardiner2010]

Wth! Did the airline lose his luggage? Where's the sweatshirt?

[@TNitroH]

He has on a white hoodie here

[@SparkySho]

All to information Kyle provides an YALL want to diss his wardrobe.Resist the temptation to worry about the wrong sheet

[@martinekstrom6303]

Kyle can completely nerd out in Germany, they totally get him in spite of the language barrier.

[@vanessalisaoelmann]

Totally!😎

[@alexnutcasio936]

Just so we’re clear, this is the EU, AU and NZ models of Model 3 Performance. This is not what they’re seeing in US.

[@nathansuss]

That's what I'm thinking, I wonder how different they perform with thermals

[@gforcefabi]

@@nathansusspanasonic battery in America is a lot better than the lg one. Reku and performance here in europe is also worse

[@alexgruia88]

And that makes it ok or what? This is Tesla's biggest flop. Better get a LR.

[@dantethomas7964]

Teslafans quickly countersteer to issues in the comments 😂

[@nathansuss]

@@dantethomas7964 we're literally criticizing the EU version for being worse than the US version, what are you smoking

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

7:34 What i immediatally noticed is that in Track Mode there is not an option like "overclock cooling compressor " like it is on the pre Highland Performance Modle 3. On the old Model 3 it overclocked the cooling compressor and loop before starting your drive.

[@nononsenseBennett]

Interesting. Someone needs to compile a list of the changes that affect the cars through their production range.

[@Maarten_vd]

Exactly!

[@teslafynn]

yeah

[@pickalots]

so the system might need more capacity... sounds like an opportunity

[@carter_longcor]

That wasn't an option on my 2022 m3p I think it's all maxed out automatically.

[@Fuentes6544]

You know it’s gonna be a good video when Kyle doesn’t have a jacket on LMAOOO

[@t.d.5804]

Had 3 M3P over the years here in Germany. There were only a handful of chances VMax them. Speed limits, construction, traffic. The early 2019 Panasonic battery was great, the later LG isnt. Same with the stock tires, later ones were more efficient, but had no grip. Vmax of +155mph or 261kph was limited to a minute or so, the car then slowed down. One trick pony, thats not what other cars do (sadly, ICE cars). The P ist just a sticker. Great car, but I switched to a MY SR. Its fast enough with 217kph on todays Autobahn and traffic

[@essentials1016]

I can go Vmax almost everyday! You are definetely doing something wrong.

[@caemca]

Did you also have one of the in-between 2021-2023 with the US Panasonic battery?

[@t.d.5804]

No, we get cars from China here in the EU since 2020, all batteries are China made, Panasonic and later its LG only. The german made MY SR has a BYD blade, thats unique, neither China nor US made Y SR got the BYD LFP (which is great)

[@caemca]

@@t.d.5804 The Model 3 for the EU market were american-made until mid-2021. The chinese-made Model 3 arrived in Europe around April/May 2021. All the Model 3 with resistive heating (2018-2020) and the early facelift ones with heat pump (2021) were made in the US for Europe as well. I owned a US-made 2020 M3P and now have an early 2021 M3P facelift, also made in the US. You can usually separate 2021 models between US- and China-made by looking at the door cards: if they have the wood trim in the front door cards, they were made in China. I neved had the chance to bring my car to the Autobahn, it would have been interesting to know about your experience!

[@dashercammmmmmm]

I’m so glad I have an American made 2023 Performance. It is the best car I have ever owned. Thanks for another great video, Kyle!!

[@dangrass]

great video? Not so sure.

[@rcpmac]

Not seeing thermal problems because there aren't deregulated roads. Look to the tracks and you will find the same issues

[@joebullwinkle5099]

Unfortunately the new model 3 Perf is quite a disappointment when compared to other EV performance variants, Ionia 5 N has non of these issues. Other reviewers have shown how the brakes are cooked almost immediately followed soon after by an overheating battery at the Nuremberg ring. Why bother with a Track a mode, when it’s essentially useless at a track!

[@senadhasanbasic260]

Tesla just has a track mode so it has a track mode. Its no use, but it sounds cool i guess.

[@wonderboy75]

@@senadhasanbasic260 for the same reason the Cybertruck is an offroad vehicle then?

[@nomansland120]

Then you should buy a Hyundai 5 N lol

[@dangrass]

evidence suggests it may be worse than useless...that the non-track mode is actually better at managing heat.

[@G82Watts]

New taycan albeit not cheap as it's a luxury car also doesn't have these issues. I think the taycan justifies it's price though as it's easily the best looking EV sedan on the market and has the best quality control and interior quality.

[@MrSnowmobiling]

Sorry to see the global spec m3p struggling like this. For those worried, the US spec seems to do better. Hit top speed (163mph) while at 23% battery on a test road. (Closed to public) Slight power limit but still hit top speed. I'd imagine it would do 180ish if it wasn't limited. Took 23 seconds, full throttle to go from 123 to 163 at that battery %. Probably would do it in 15-17 seconds at 80+ battery.

[@sg222]

As someone from Germany the video is quite important for me. And I have to say it is unfortunately not cut for German Autobahns😅

[@callsaul8835]

@@sg222 das Verhalten hier ist bei mir bisher noch nicht im "realen" Autobahn Einsatz passiert. Kurzes Stück 120er Zone und der Akku ist wieder optimal temperiert. Tesla sollte das allerdings trotzdem mal ausführlich untersuchen. Bei einer Performance Variante darf das nicht limitieren.

[@gustavgyll3291]

Many Europeans drive on autobahn regularly. So it’s a flop to release this in Europe. I live in Sweden and drive to southern Europe or the alps 1-3 times a year. Driving hard on the autobahn is the whole point of taking the car instead of flying. After this I would buy the M3P…

[@dangrass]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpSkdqxmndJ2Zpo

[@paulkitchen5802]

So, I may be biased but one reason I purchased the EV6GT was your similar video last summer because you ripped the Kia in Germany and it held up and never overheated. Is that correct Kyle? I drove from ATL 100 mph to Florida and charged at 237 KWH almost the entire 20 min from 10% to 80% and it was 95 degrees out. I'm so happy I have the best EV for the money.

[@origaminefretami3480]

Nice car. The Kia looks much better than the Model 3 too. Better allrounder

[@mowensmd]

@@origaminefretami3480 Cheap plastic everywhere in the Kia. Seats suck.

[@origaminefretami3480]

@@mowensmd its not like a Tesla is any better or a luxury vehicle

[@iambenmitchell]

Yep, plenty of people in Europe have taken the new car on a track and it overheats by the 2nd lap. It didn’t even last 1/3rd the Nürburgring. Edit: UK track video Thruxton: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2fCfYFmqt-DkLs Misha: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqXHmYybq7p6ra8

[@valerystoichkov7429]

Its not build for tracks, its a grocery getter.

[@tylovset]

It's disappointing. Two years ago Misha drove the Polestar 2 Performance and had no issues with a full lap on the Nürnburgring.

[@valerystoichkov7429]

@@tylovset the 2.4 ton Lucid with FOUR PEOPLE in it manages over one lap of hard driving without frying the brakes and overheating.

[@dantethomas7964]

Hence why the Ioniq 5N is better.

[@edc1569]

Wow that is poor, still got those awful brakes too? Definitely not up to European standards.

[@safakhan3088]

A Performance car not build for the tracks and simple Autobahn runs. Okay. Good thing its a Tesla, any other brand would get a shitstorm for this.

[@dangrass]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpSkdqxmndJ2Zpo

[@cordkretzschmar5693]

Their was a time the ADAC (general german automobil club) recommend to use the left turn light, to gently signal you want to pass. So older people with enough money to buy a Mercedes, BMW or Audi still follow this advise. 😇 Nice to see you all.

[@AnkushNarula]

Thanks for your amazing coverage of all things EV!

[@stanleyfung5529]

Kyle: Let's not make this a super long video Proceeds to make a one hour video

[@tedhancock68]

Short by OOS standards!

[@cbotten106]

Makes one wonder about all the wonderful moments left on "the cutting room floor". 🙄

[@teitpoulsen7183]

My Plaid has zero thernal issues when I RIP on the german Autobahn. Disappointed that the M3P thermal particular with LG pack is not able to provide sustained power. Even if thats really not an actual problem in 99.99% of driving situations 😂😅

[@danielbukowski]

Because your Plaid was made in the US and got the Panasonic battery.

[@nabushdinosaure]

@@teitpoulsen7183 Plaid is still very thermally limited though... It's a 1-2 laps car on a roadcourse...I have one as well...

[@senadhasanbasic260]

​@@nabushdinosaureThx for the honesty, no one dares to talk about that

[@chadmueller9135]

​@@senadhasanbasic260people do talk rarely about issues from Teslas because they get drowned from the downplaying of the Tesla investors in comment sections.

[@gustavgyll3291]

@@nabushdinosaureworks great on the autobahn! Only hade the Model S but driving between 150-240km/h (100-150mph) for long periods is not an issue with any of the variants of the Model S. And with the plain Model S you still got more power then you need over 200km/h.

[@jonfrench7133]

Amazing response on here. I’ve had plenty of performance cars and would never track them, tyre death and risk of ending up in the kitty litter is too high. So track performance is irrelevant, the joy of the m3p is in road speed, handling and ride comfort.

[@Dqtube]

15:38 I am not sure about that, as the new KIA EV6 GT currently sells for 55k-60k euros in Germany and other markets in the region. If you don't need a brand new one, but a 2023 one from the showroom with a few thousand km on the odometer is not a problem for you, we're talking 49k-52k euros. Also in the US there are some good deals on this car @TechnicallyJeff got one a few months ago.

[@kenion2166]

An EV6 GT is 75.000€ we need to compare apples vs apples not some random dealer used car prices...

[@Dqtube]

@@kenion2166 No, it's not. Look at the prices at dealers( just Google for example: ‘Ernst Dello’ , ‘Autoarena Ingolstadt’, ‘Autohaus Daub’). They are trying to sell out of stock before the facelifted version comes to Europe next spring. So next time, do me a favor and spend at least 5 seconds with Google before replying.

[@valerystoichkov7429]

EV6 looks waaaay better too, inside out.

[@D00MINIK]

Yes the Kia is a cool car but in Germany 75k and Model 3 P 59k. Actually even the normal Awd EV6 with 325hp is more expensive than the Tesla on higher speeds and not even faster than a SR+ for 43k (but much faster to 40mph), so you cannot really compare these, and you don't get electric seats in the Ev6 Gt and the ioniq 5 N. This is sadly a no go for me although I think they did a pretty good job with these cars.

[@Dqtube]

@@D00MINIK No, it's not. Look at the prices at dealers. They are trying to sell out of stock before the facelifted version comes to Europe next spring. Use Google or any German car listing site( Mobile, Autoscout ) and you will find the various showrooms/ dealers with the prices I wrote in the original post. The situation is similar in the Czech Republic, where you'll find a €57k-60k offering including tax at official Kia dealers and a used one with up to 15k km on the odometer costs around €52k .

[@calvorota74]

I have had a new M3 Performance since two weeks ago. I picked up the car, and I did a 700km Tryp diving at 140/150 constantly, some times a little bit faster. And yes, the engine and oil temps were higher than the ones in my old performance. The LG battery is the same. Somehow, it doesn't manage the engine temp as well as the old one. What a same.

[@nomansland120]

Oil temps?

[@excusemenot]

@@nomansland120 Yep. Even an electric motor needs a lubricant ;)

[@calvorota74]

@@nomansland120 I don’t know, just a red engine temp, when I put track mode. I did it, because the fans were working.

[@killr0y]

There is no oil temp

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

23:46 What i noticed is that in italy and france people use the indicator to signal they want to pass and please move over. And you know what the cars in front of the one who want to pass do? They move over.

[@techbysteff4829]

Ibve noticed it ion Italy, Portugal, Greece and Germany, not Ireland tho, so it's pretty much a European thing I think.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

@@techbysteff4829 in Germany yes but not so often and moreover the person in front doesn’t move over and feels personally attacked. In south Europa people just move over if they see someone faster with their indicator behind them and just let them pass

[@sg222]

Why can't it show exact temperature values in track mode? Why does it have to be stupid bars. So vague

[@kenion2166]

Cause Temperature is different for each battery chemistry, so °C is not always the same even in the same car

[@SturbokSensei]

Cause it's Tesla so f'uck you thats why. Did it take them 2 or 3 years to make wipers work properly?

[@lennyschmalisch7439]

I think it’s also due to the temperature curve not being linear. As the temperature in the cells, cables, motors etc. rise the resistance goes up too. Pushing a lot of amps through an already hot system will heat it up even faster which will make harder to estimate you’re actual thermal headroom. That’s why I think they went for these more linear easy to understand bars that on quick glance tell you how much performance headroom you actually have left.

[@lennyschmalisch7439]

Although real temperatures next to bars would be very nice too of course

[@Martin-dx5zs]

Are you planning on test driving the EX30 twin motor performance while you’re next in Europe? We love ours!

[@philaoki]

if i'm not mistaken, by mid 2022 tesla started shipping the euro performance with the LG battery already. it's not like they suddenly took the panasonic away with the refresh now.

[@yayinternets]

You can push past the thermal capabilities of a Model Y just driving it on the highway in the Summer in Texas. They definitely do not have enough cooling in their whole platform. The Y was unusable for me during the day on the highway there last Summer during a heat wave. At highway speeds, you would think they would find a way to take advantage of all of the air whooshing by for cooling by directing some of it.

[@USAHD1844]

Which Model Y? And what was the temp? Temp maxes around 86F where im at, this an issue for MY?

[@yayinternets]

@@USAHD1844It was a Model Y LR. I think the temp was somewhere around 105 which isn’t uncommon in TX, AZ, etc. I couldn’t make it to my next stop on a road trip because the range went down to around 120. Had to park for hours and wait until the sun was down to keep going. I was in the middle of nowhere retuning to Colorado after being in San Antonio and didn’t have enough range to continue… even after disabling AC, etc.

[@kenhiett5266]

I didn't have any problems with my '23 MYLR between Salt Lake and Vegas in nearly record hot temperatures. What year and type of Y are you having these thermal management issues with?

[@yayinternets]

@@kenhiett5266 2022 Y LR. I’ve driven a lot of miles in Colorado and Kansas and never had any issues. However, in TX l, it just got hammered by the heat there. It’s way more humid there, so I’m guessing that was part of the issue. Who knows, maybe they’ve made some changes since they have a large employee base in Austin now. But it really shook my confidence in driving through very rural areas in the Y when it’s hot. This was also before they made updates to the range calculations after the US government got involved with that. Part of the problem is that the range estimates were like 2X what it was actually doing in that heat. I would have gotten stranded if I wasn’t watching how quickly it was draining.

[@Speedlimitreviews]

Omfg! Kyle without a HOODIE!! 😂🔥🔥🔥 things are about to get spicy!

[@TNitroH]

It's a white hoodie

[@perezdr1]

Even as a new M3P owner who might never track the car... I'm also concerned about temperature management -- battery and motors primarily, as brakes should be upgraded anyway, and I think that the braking updates in a car that is going to the track are expected. I'm glad Kyle got his eye on it; I'm sure we will get more videos and updates. Hopefully, a software update, even if the car is still limited on hardware, can make it more manageable...

[@danielbukowski]

I can’t grasp how Kia/Hyundai kicks Teslas ass in battery temperature management… Come on, Tesla… 🤦‍♂️

[@hasangenc2922]

Why not?

[@ChuckvdL]

With regard to heat, the higher voltage architecture helps a bunch. At the same KW level the E-GMP cars need half the current, heat is a _current squared_ equation, so .5 amps means .25 heat. But there’s also huge differences in cell, pack, and cooling designs as well. I wouldn’t have thought that edge cooled pouches via the bottom-plate would work as well as it apparently does compared to side cooled cylinders, but it appears to work pretty well in practice.

[@iamnid]

US version might be better -- he says right from the top the Euro-spec gets a different battery from China.

[@ChuckvdL]

@@iamnid we know the Tesla has a different battery, that’s literally the reason for the test. Are you implying the 5N gets a different battery in Europe? I haven’t seen anything saying that. AFAIK it’s the same battery both places for the 5N. But between the Tesla and Hyundai the battery design is completely different. Tesla likes a cylindrical “jelly roll in a can” cell, (with varying sized cylinders) and Hyundai is using much larger “layer cake on its side” pouches assembled into a larger module that confines the pouches. The pack cooling designs are also very different, Tesla likes to weave stuff between cells serpentine style, and Hyundai likes a stir welded big bottom plate contacting the edge of the pouches. Two very different approaches Munro Live has done teardowns of both packs and their cooling designs.

[@dantethomas7964]

Atleast Tesla still has the best stock pumpers for marketing and promotion

[@fiehlsport]

Out of Spec Threads - Fresh hoodie, Kyle!!

[@TNitroH]

Kyle rockin the white hoodie!

[@xan2242]

I think this is another great demonstration between how Tesla defines performance and how other automakers define performance. Tesla is great value for money for most people who are just driving in traffic and want a lot of power but only for less than 1-2 minutes. And for the people who want to track... or drive spiritedly longer, then the more expensive Hyundai IONIQ 5N and Porsche Taycan are better as they can maintain high power for significantly longer without overheating and aren't underbraked from factory.

[@sandroschtolpe6803]

Overheating from such short autobahn burst is pretty embarassing for a brandnew car. Holy shit.

[@dangrass]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpSkdqxmndJ2Zpo

[@sandroschtolpe6803]

@@dangrass okay so?

[@dangrass]

...and not at all consistent with what other KZbin testing has revealed. From what I can see those who do Autobahn testing with this car using the normal mode don't seem to run into the thermal issues that seem to be plaguing those who use track mode. Based on this I'm beginning to think that there is something wrong with the track mode software for this car....which is good, because Tesla might be able to fix it easily. The brakes, on the other hand, need to be better. It's almost as though they shipped cars with the wrong pads.

[@sandroschtolpe6803]

@@dangrass hmmm, but how can a certain mode be responsible for this?

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

@@sandroschtolpe6803Track mode heats the battery up to around 40°C so it can get its peak performance. Unfortunately that also causes it to thermal throttle faster. The US version does not have this problem, as the Pana battery gets the performance at lower temps.

[@Enosh7815]

LG (NCM) batteries are also applied to the Porsche Taycan Turbo. Products released in the US naturally use US-produced Panasonic batteries (NCA) for subsidies. Of course, it may have used a much cheaper battery than the Porsche, but I think the battery manufacturer's warranty on the C rate also factors into the output limit. What I'm really curious about here is that NCA is better than NCM in terms of output limit, but the lifespan is also unstable. No matter how hard you search, it's hard to find criticism of Tesla's SOH, but I can't tell if it's because there really isn't a problem or if it's just Teslaboys blinding them.

[@jonben42]

This video is worth it for the last 15 mins or so discussion at the charger, get these guys on for a podcast!

[@toddmarrs8916]

Sounds like they upgraded the motor without upgrading the battery or the cooling system. so at max output, it produces heat faster than it can cool itself. It cools at the same rate, but heats up the battery a little faster due to the larger motor pulling a little more power.

[@LearningFast]

I wonder if it is the European Lg battery that has the temperature issues? I ran 10.63 @ 128 mph for the 1/4 mile this weekend. Temps at the track were well over 100 degrees F and I ran six 10 second passes with no heating issues at all. In fact I was heating the battery the whole time. No issues at all.

[@Skeetskeet333]

Same here. No issues whatsoever w the US version. I think it’s the EU version

[@RoyalDudeness]

It makes a huge different if you need all the power for seconds from the battery or for minutes

[@WJYK]

Look at the track videos for US cars. It overheats pretty easily too. Not a track attack car at all.

[@SiuLeung]

@@RoyalDudeness exactly, people think dragging the car for 11 seconds is the same as full speed runs for a few minutes. LOL. This is where Hyundai did their homework with N's thermals.

[@GuiGabois]

So apparently you have the fastest 1/4 time for a 2024 M3P in the world. You might want to put up a video with that ticket!!

[@ALRinaldi]

I wish we had an autobahn in the US... I'd even pay a toll for it... :(

[@GuiGabois]

US Drivers just aren't skilled enough to drive roads like these in general. Well, perhaps skilled is not the word...maybe tolerant or aware.

[@yayinternets]

@@GuiGaboisDefinitely not skilled enough. Germany also inspects cars each year to make sure they are roadworthy. I’ve been on the autobahn before but it was quite some time ago.

[@swecreations]

You US drivers are not even close to good enough for that. Road fatalities is multiple times higher per capita in the US compared to Germany. Your driver's license tests are an absolute joke.

[@GuiGabois]

@@swecreations While the best US drivers will have no problems with the best German drivers, in general German drivers are better

[@timhabich3113]

@@yayinternets New Car after 3 Years then 2 years.

[@armandbarbe1812]

Well, it's faster than you can practically use even on a German Autobahn. Rolls Royce would say: Sufficient.

[@logtec1162]

Musk should answer why cooling is so bad on Tesla cars. It’s the biggest issue I have with Teslas. Nobody speaks about it

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

I give you a hint, why nobody speaks about it: speed limits

[@valerystoichkov7429]

As if Musk gives a shit as long as people buy Teslas

[@stevesute]

Everyone is talking about it, have you seen everyone with the Shanghai version overheating on KZbin

[@Stockmonger4u]

@@Tschacki_Quackiit’s a PERFORMANCE car. Overheating at speed should not be happening. If ICE cars half the price can cruise at high speeds without issue, so can a 2014 Model 3 Performance. The fact car entered manufacturing with such temperature management issues is shocking. Did they think you wouldn’t use a performance car for performance driving?

[@UgglemannenFTW]

The brakes are inadequate aswell....​@@Stockmonger4u

[@gcvr]

2021 Model 3 Performance with the Panasonic eats the new Highland M3P below 60% SOC, and it eats it on track after 5 minutes when the Highland cuts power to combat the heat. The EU M3P in practice regressed, although on paper it seems better.

[@swecreations]

I would say in practice it's better too, no regular person who doesn't go on track or Autobahn will experience this, and everywhere else like handling, suspension and build quality it's much better.

[@gcvr]

@@swecreationsthen that person can better buy the Long Range

[@swecreations]

@@gcvr Most people buy the Performance for the straight-line acceleration, and it still does that better than the Long Range.

[@jonfrench7133]

oh highland is definitely the one to go for

[@marsstarlink3235]

Is the previous gen Model 3 performance significantly better?

[@gcvr]

I owned a 2021 one before the Plaid and driven M3P Highland. In terms of build quality, looks, suspension, pick the Highland. But in terms of actual lasting performance, it is significantly worse. I honestly think the US version might be much better. Much. Better.

[@G82Watts]

​@@gcvrnope. The US version is having the same problems but at an even faster rate due to faster speeds.

[@dantethomas7964]

​@@G82WattsIts funny how they downplay the problems to make Tesla look better. Lol always.

[@mowensmd]

NO

[@gcvr]

@@G82Watts that's even worse lol, altho I do find that hard to believe. The US version does have the Panasonic Performance battery, and in the 2021 M3P that performed better then the EU Highland LG. But I did not drive it, I wouldn't know. All I do know is that M3P Highland cuts power faster then 2021 M3P in EU

[@gregorkamensek3923]

First of all, thanx for excellent content and second, THANK YOU SO MUCH for bringing more light on the subject of EU long range / performance battery (LG M50). For EU people that don't do any intense research, they don't know that they are not getting the car they saw reviewed on KZbin (since more reviewers are US based). I got the M3P 2022 with LG pack, just missed out on the Panasonic that they stopped delivery in march 2022. I would very much like to have a dedicated video about this and also about claims of issues with the Panasonic battery packs that came from China (although as far as I was able to research, the cells them self were actually US made). What I would like to have focused on is the only real problem that LG M50 has: high inner resistance. There is nothing wrong with the cooling system from Tesla, the only issues is wrong selection of batters for the power requirements. Too high inner resistance causes higher losses which causes more heating of the battery. The power losses (heat) on LG battery are almost twice as high as on Panasonic (According to Eivissa from TFF - than you so much), the voltage drop of Panasonic at max. power out is about 55v @ 1150 amp (63kW goes into heat losses in the battery), but LG has 95V @ 1250 amp (119kW in battery heat losses)!!! I tested this my self on OBD and the voltage dropped from 390V down to 290 V (my battery SOC was about 90% but the temperature was not as high so I even got more than 95v drop). tff-forum.de/t/model-3-performance-2022-panasonic-vs-lg/210880?page=1

[@igneousc]

Vanessa rules, great vid!

[@vanessalisaoelmann]

Aw thank you lovely person❤

[@lukyluke993]

I would say the thermal system and thermal interface is not correctly designed for a performance vehicle 🚀

[@logtec1162]

I have mode yp and the cooling is so bad vs Porsche

[@scottbreseke716]

There are so many people who don't drive like lunatics.

[@judgesh]

@@scottbreseke716sure, but for performance people are looking for track performance

[@kenion2166]

The Thermal System is designed for efficiency, winter performance on Tesla is superior to any other car but looks like it comes with some downsides on hot weather and battery cooling :/

[@valerystoichkov7429]

​@@scottbreseke716then you dont need a Performance car, just get the base model.

[@mkh3227]

Isn't 100% regen hurting motor AND battery temps.... 3rd video in track mode I've seen with thermal issues BUT all with 100% regen set as well??? ...including Mishas ring vid. Am I on Crack?.... or turn off/reduce regen would drop temps!?!?!

[@mrb2349]

That's true, they are pushing it on the wrong settings. Some can argue that if Misha turned off regen, brakes would have cooked earlier but I don't think at the limits regen is enough to brake for the corners anyways. If someone installs some larger brakes and does a lap with regen off we can see some differences.

[@mike_man9593]

Love my US version. Only issue is a few rattles have started on the passenger side going over bumps after 2 days of ownership 😢

[@littlemoneymark]

Does quality control just not exist…..🫤

[@Ben21756]

@@littlemoneymark Not sure what is going on with US factories, but Germany and China seems to be doing fine with their quality control…

[@Storm3451]

It really feels like Tesla dropped the ball. Or maybe they just don't care anymore since they focus more an Optimus and Robotaxis?

[@valerystoichkov7429]

100%

[@C4rb0neum]

Or they found it difficult to balance keeping the battery warm in cold temperatures and cool under load in hot temperatures. For most people, having a warm enough battery for fast charging is more important than performance at +200 km/h

[@safakhan3088]

​@@C4rb0neumThen dont call it a Performance car in the first place

[@otm646]

It's absolutely a performance car. But they're looking at here is the difference between an AMG and an AMG Black series. ​@@safakhan3088

[@senadhasanbasic260]

​@@otm646Performance cars dont have issues after some harmless autobahn sprints.

[@G82Watts]

The US version also has many vids having this exact problem. The people ignorantly guessing in the comments that it doesnt i can assure u are wrong. Just look around on youtube for urself. After just 1 lap around a 2 min track its cooked.

[@chadmueller9135]

They just try to downplay the problems as usual

[@amazon4517]

magnifique discussion technique et précise . On aimerait tellement que les journalistes aient tous ce niveau de connaissance et de competence . Bravo.👍👍

[@AaronMcFarland]

I can't even imagine driving 250 kmh (155 mph) on the highway. Guess the luxury you get living near the Autobahn.

[@GuiGabois]

You can for a few minutes but with traffic density it is still quite a dangerous thing to do. certainly not going to drive for miles and miles like this.

[@chadmueller9135]

​@@GuiGaboisIts clear you never went to the Autobahn, and just try to downplay the fact that this 'performance' car overheats after a short Autobahn run. Nice try bro 😂

[@gustavgyll3291]

@@GuiGaboisnot during the day at least. Nighttime in northern Germany you can. The stretch from Danmark Hamburg is pretty empty at night.

[@GuiGabois]

@@chadmueller9135 I lived in Düsseldorf for 6 years and in Hanover for 3. I know my Autobahns!

[@carter_longcor]

Use to do it everywhere I went in the US with my 22 m3p

[@slyguyaction]

Converting all the readouts to freedom units would have been nice. Haha. Thanks Kyle!

[@Longsnowsm]

Who is this Kyle imposter? This guy isn't wearing a hoodie... Agree, Tesla says it is performance it needs to measure up. I think the previous car was better. Tesla's cost cutting is showing. I wouldn't want to try a Cannonball in this car. The Highland refresh was a cost cutting exercise.

[@GuiGabois]

and yet the Highland M3P handles much better, is quieter, has much more soft touch surfaces and totally better seats. I just changed my 2020 M3P for a 2024 M3P and the difference is night and day. Differences between say a 2022 M3P may be less but the active suspension on the new car is really great! Oh and closing the doors sounds a 1000 times better!

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

That makes no sense, given this car has the same battery as the previous car but a better thermal system and better motors. This is a bug with the Insane/track mode.

[@Longsnowsm]

@@theipc-twizzt2789 Something is absolutely not right with the refreshed car. This is like the 3rd report I have seen where the thermals are all jacked up on the performance model. Hopefully it is something that can be addressed with software. Like Kyle said most people will never hammer the car this hard and won't know. But those who do push the car may be disappointed.

[@Iangamebr]

For some reason tesla thermals are always extremely underwhelming, yeah enough to rip from a stoplight to the next but that's about it, you can never do a full push lap in any tesla, always limited by temps. Not only that but the stock brakes are always just garbage. CMON, literally the 2 most important things in the car if you want to have fun at the track and both are huge misses.

[@alexnutcasio936]

For street driving though, still quicker than a G80.

[@binflydushy]

@@alexnutcasio936A G80 is 2x the fun though

[@valerystoichkov7429]

​@@alexnutcasio936Same 0-60 and quartermile time as a G80 Xdrive, so no. G80 is a second faster 60-130 too.

[@FlyWithTyy]

Honestly I genuinely hope that Tesla is continuing improvements to the model S and doing a redesign in the next 2-4 years! Would love to see a model S plaid with 1,100-1,200HP, but due to low sale volume compared to the model 3 and the model Y who knows.🙏🏼

[@mho0]

Sales of S/X is so low that at least financially it would be very questionable to even continue them...

[@travellover3373]

At 40% SOC, you have lesser voltage which means the system will draw more current to achieve power demand which results in more heat.

[@aculeus1971]

On test drives, Tesla were first plugging the new model 3 performance into the supercharger, preferring not to let it out on test with < 50% battery.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

15:33 Not a new car, but you can get an older Model 3 Performance with the Panasonic battery pack which accelerates and charges better :P

[@GuiGabois]

No previous model 3 performance will accelerate faster than newer models, regardless of battery.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

@@GuiGabois But it will start off the line better because it has no torque vectoring iirc. The new ones give full power above 50 kmh to stress the wheels / motors / drivetrain structure etc. less. Also the Panasonic battery charges better.

[@GuiGabois]

@@MarsPLAYStudio No previous version model 3 performance will beat a new model 3 performance to 60. Just fact. Starting off the line is irrelevant of it cant continue accelerating as hard.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

I never wrote that the old model 3 is faster. I wrote it accelerates faster and charges faster which is fact. I didn’t wrote that it has a faster 0-60 time but accelerates faster off the line. Also the new model 3 with the LG pack will probably be slower at a lower soc than the old model 3 with the Panasonic battery and same low soc. Just facts

[@alpahc]

@@MarsPLAYStudio except it doesn't accelerate faster lol

[@JamesRussoMillas]

Need this test with an Ioniq 5 N

[@1971joseramirez]

If it can do a couple of consecutive laps in the ring without power degradation, then you know it will handle this like a Champ.

[@sanderverh6882]

Correction: For a Model 3 Performance in Germany you don't even get a 330i xDrive with same options. M340i is 76k compared to 58k (was 56 2 months ago) for M3P.

[@TheRichardc88]

So much fun! My 2020 Model Y LR with acceleration boost likes to top out at a random 138mph.

[@markpressey3603]

Very cool - even a call out for Soest, my old stomping grounds - Dambuster territory !!

[@grogu360]

the Autobahn is the innovation field of the German car makers

[@Gallardo6669]

You may not know, Autobahn gets stressful over time, especially the way you drive. AND: tires last 60%less in Germany (autobahn and round abouts...)

[@parkerwatts3334]

The thermal management system, as I understood it, in Tesla is a thermal sharing... It prioritizes cooling the battery and uses the motor to hold excess heat while it tries to deal with the heat etc...

[@parkerd5479]

Came here to say this.

[@TAD-9]

So basically it dumps heat into the motors because they can take the heat?

[@parkerwatts3334]

Yes but not limited to that, in winter the motors will run so they generate extra heat and that heat is transfered to the battery

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste .. 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤ 🕊

[@spacep0d]

It was very frustrating that the camera was locked on you instead of showing the road while you talked. I don't need to see you the whole time. I WANT TO SEE GERMANY AND THE AUTOBAHN. Thanks. :D

[@perezdr1]

Could the Tesla software just be "too conservative" for now? In the end, we don't really know the real temperature numbers, we are just seeing what the car is telling you... the computer might be playing it safe for now... I mean, they have done "live" beta testing before remember!? :D

[@cbotten106]

It's a spicy meatball...but just runs a lil' bit hot at times. Tesla actually supplied a vehicle, that's pretty rare these days.

[@ron-manke]

Why do you keep saying Miles Per Hour when the speedometer CLEARLY says Kilometers Per Hour!

[@x12ozx]

It looked like he was stating the comparable speed in miles per hour for American viewers.

[@ron-manke]

​​@@x12ozxHe was literally reading out the km from the speedometer and saying miles. The max speed on this car is 162 mph and he was saying 200, 220, etc.

[@nomansland120]

He isn't. He is sometimes making note that 200 means 124 mph. Americans just too dumb to understand.

[@BobL56]

It’s not hard to figure out what he means

[@michaelsmithers4900]

Running heat in the car while parked with the windows open will help cool the battery more than ac. Running the heat in all newer model 3s draws heat from the battery (when hot)

[@dmandn]

I wonder if the motors get a separate cooling loop, will the batteries stay considerably cooler?

[@antoinepageau8336]

I’m torn. We have two 2022 model 3 LFP one with 115k the other 55k and they’ve been perfect. I can afford to trade up one of them to the new performance but here in Canada we get the LG battery pack… I’m also worried about loosing my drivers license if I get caught while having fun…

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

47:25 Would not it be enough to just torn off the ac for the cabin but maintain the airflow ? So the ac knows it does not need to work for the cabin and utilize itself fully for the battery / drivetrain?

[@evchargerreviewsnet]

Sending it hard at low SoC builds even more drivetrain heat because voltage is lower so it needs to pull more amps to make the same power.

[@JSmooVE3990]

I thought Francie was gonna drive the Rivian but in the video you said she's in the model 3?

[@FthePump]

If I needed a smaller ride, this would be it!

[@AndrewGoodladIchorus]

Isn't the Canadian the LG Battery too? Might make comparisons in North America pretty easy.

[@mateokovac2642]

Its funny how you downplay 'using performance' in a car called Model 3 Performance just because its a Tesla, 'no normal user will experience this'. The EV promotion nowadays is absolutely insane. If someone would test a Bmw M3 and it would overheat on a Autobahn run it would get a recall immediately.

[@dantethomas7964]

They always have to downplay issues to keep the hype high. He literally tests the car on a road millions of people use everyday and he says no one will experience this 😂

[@TheCityCritic]

Looking at your map in the first few seconds… you are so close to my home!

[@tubecycler]

Nah. It’s perfectly legal to flash from a great distance to wake up the driver in front of you. Same woth indicator, wich I love in similar circumstances you hat with the Tiguan. They think they are ripping at 170-180 but you want to go 200+. Just to let them know you wanna pass. I often do 210km/h for long stretches between Berlin and Leipzig and never run into thermal issues with Model 3 LR 2022. You get to your destination without charging and consumption, stress on the car + thermals are ok. There is no real benefit going faster. Same with daytime fast driving. You have to find a balance between going fast, consumption, traffic that slows you down going fast enough so people in front don’t assume you are doing only 140 and don’t pull out in front of you. It’s fun to find the right balance. Also driving with headlights ON help a lot at day.

[@ron-manke]

Also, why aren't the guests correcting you each time you say MPH?

[@paulchristenson5256]

Do you have a contingency plan to get the video onto your page if you happen to blow a tire at 165 MPH?

[@ramontbooker5654]

😂 racing like a giant RC car

[@prantto3914]

Go from Berlin south to Leipzig. A9 is a super open 3 lane autobahn. Perfect for high speeds.

[@notsure4907]

This was a fantastic demo of the adaptive headlights, why can’t we have those in the United States?

[@cbotten106]

Many Tesla drivers don't use their high beams correctly already. Blinding people all over the place.

[@juergenheymann6362]

You can change language 😅

[@lemongavine]

They are able to use a smaller steering wheel because there’s no instrument cluster through which a larger steering wheel is needed to see.

[@holters9203]

Why regen on??? Heat up the battery so quickly

[@K1971k]

Do you think new model 3 battery it’s good in middle east or no after you see this video ? 😅😅

[@lemongavine]

Regarding thermals, there’s an engineering trade-off. They could have easily put larger air inlets, but that would sacrifice range due to aerodynamic drag. Look at the Ionic 5N. No thermal issues, but it only has like 200 miles of range. I guess Tesla decided range was more important than all-out top speed performance and I would say it was probably the right decision to appeal to more buyers.

[@MrYouchaskimtube]

KM/H not MPH

[@ichigo19870]

I heard kph which is correct ;)

[@garydmercer]

You are insane driving those speeds on a highway. lol. I was grabbing my chair tight watching this. Hilarious.

[@ChuckvdL]

The Autobahn is not just any highway..

[@dingsvomdach6764]

But you schould say the panasonic is known to have a lot more degradation. At least the old models here in europa have more than the lg

[@shou635]

Sadly this review is with the worse LG batteries.

[@scottbreseke716]

It could have been a one-off issue.

[@Aztasu]

@@scottbreseke716 no

[@scottbreseke716]

@@Aztasu You base this answer on what?

[@Aztasu]

@@scottbreseke716 because it simply isn't

[@Iceeeen]

​@@scottbreseke716 there even is a video by Misha on the ring where the damn thing overheats after 5 minutes. By then end of the lap it struggles to overtake a Fiesta. Shitty car, definitely not a Performance model

[@thepetrolman4879]

Good car for its price, but the Performance badge is laughable. Considering its a around 500hp car and has problems from a simple Autobahn run. The Ioniq 5N actually deserves that badge.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

There is no "Pre-drive cooling" option like on the old Model 3 which was called "overclock cooling compressor"

[@HDHQDIRECT]

@@MarsPLAYStudio that can potentially damage the system and release hazardous chemicals in the air. It also can result in a fire hazard.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

@@HDHQDIRECT but why is it persistent on the old Model 3? Also, it wasn’t „overclocking“ the compressor. In the description it was written that the cooling compressor just runs at 100% power regardless your use case and cools the battery and motor

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

Because the LG battery loses power if you cool it down. So they heat it up instead. That unfortunately causes thermal throttling

[@alexgruia88]

Bro stop it with "your normal user won't experience this" crap. Its a Performance spec, it has a damn track mode, it should be capable of doing at least one damn lap at top specs...

[@safakhan3088]

Its an american car, he is american. That answers your question.

[@Dqtube]

@@safakhan3088 More precisely, it's a South African car made in China.

[@chadmueller9135]

​@@DqtubeElon is MAGA now, thats why americans love his cars now so much.

[@authenticNL2]

​@chadmueller9135 and a lot of people still hate Tesla's, basically what happens when you branch out with radical design choices

[@jillshaub5093]

I’m m still watching but is Kyle testing the speed in miles or kilometers?

[@djgynee]

why dont you just add 5 more over weight passengeers and wonder why the batteries gets hot

[@diegonajera]

I live in Mexico and even though I can afford the performance I had to settle for the LR, i would never max this on our roads cause I would go flying through the air at all the potholes and there are no superchargers even remotely close to each other so draining your battery in a few minutes on open roads would mean you’ll get stranded

[@rahansk8200]

hello, I would love to see you test electric cars from the European market that are not available in the USA.

[@Squidward1314]

Is there any indication that the EU version will get a better battery (Panasonic) at some point in the future? Has Tesla ever done something like this? Would feel bad to buy the M3P with LG at full price only for Tesla to release a roughly 10% faster version (and quicker charging) some time later.

[@alpahc]

panasonic would overheat as well

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

@@alpahcNo. Also there is 0% chance of bringing back the Panasonic battery to Europe. IRA reasons. One can hope for a better LG or CATL battery.

[@alpahc]

@@theipc-twizzt2789 of course it does. There are several videos showing the pana version overheats even faster

[@alpahc]

@@theipc-twizzt2789 YES kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqWWoIiwn62roNk

[@matt45540]

It's a shame we can't have that America. It's only people can learn how to drive here

[@alexnutcasio936]

What? You mean the Auto Bahn? We already have the better car.

[@Carfan678]

Germany has the best drivers in the world, India has the worst 😂

[@brandonpreston84]

It would have to be changes in our Government. It's too easy to get a license in the U.S. and we are lackluster as far as actually teaching proper driving habits.

[@GuiGabois]

@@brandonpreston84 Agreed. If they had a autobahn in the US it would be daily deaths and accidents.

[@valerystoichkov7429]

​@@alexnutcasio936who cares, you have speedlimits everywhere.