New Tesla Model 3 Standard LFP v Long Range v Performance - real world range and charge compared!

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@redjohn20001
@redjohn20001 3 жыл бұрын
For me the LFP battery is a game changer. It can be 100 percent charged every time, is more rugged, degrades less quickly than the other type batteries, contains fewer of the precious materials, able to receive twice as many charge cycles in its life time. Yes it is heavier for a given capacity but yet again Tesla have shown the way forward.
@buzzofftoxicblog791
@buzzofftoxicblog791 3 жыл бұрын
Agree exciting times ahead 😀
@guybrushthreepwood3002
@guybrushthreepwood3002 2 жыл бұрын
Also affected by cold weather more too, do nothing for range, and will only be offered in standard range vehicles. The main reason for the switch is profit margins as they are cheaper. Because of their weight, they'll be kept ro shorter range vehicles. They are also not exclusive to Tesla, and you can expect them in ither standard range vehicles in the future. Great that battery tech is moving forward though, the real jump forward will be the Panasonic 4680 cylindrical battery, which can store 5 times as much power as current Teslas can.
@marcusbiller867
@marcusbiller867 2 жыл бұрын
LFPs degrade when excessively charged to 100% too. Not as bad as Li Ion, but quite a lot, do your research. The only reason Tesla is suggesting to charge to 100% is so that the BMS knows where is up and down. On LFP, anything below 90% and above 10% is almost exactly the same voltage so unless you do 10-100% charges the BMS is screwed. But 100% is not good for LFPs either. Also, even at 100% charging and almost all DC charging you can still expect maximum 10-12% degradation on Li Ion after 150-200,000km, which is more than most people do in the lifetime of the car... Maybe 5% on LFP, not a difference there.
@marcusbiller867
@marcusbiller867 2 жыл бұрын
@@guybrushthreepwood3002 lets first see what the 4860 is before we make suggestions. I think initially these will be a let down - too much hype
@skibotnia3922
@skibotnia3922 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcusbiller867 LFP battery is lithium battery too. (Lithium Iron Phosphate, LFP)
@henriquerochelle
@henriquerochelle 3 жыл бұрын
We are here in Brazil always rooting for your success and that you continue to send us early and relevant information for the motorsport scenario of the future! thanks !
@omernagi7
@omernagi7 2 жыл бұрын
Just ordered my model 3 standard and this has calmed my nerves about range anxiety. Thank you
@markbonasso1583
@markbonasso1583 Жыл бұрын
Excellent real world experiment. Selling my pickup truck and buying a Tesla 3. Was stuck between standard and extended range. Seeing your results, I am going standard! Not worth the extra 5K for about 25 miles distance. I'm glad I found this video.
@MarcoPon
@MarcoPon 3 жыл бұрын
Your convoy comparisons are always some of the most interesting and well made real world testing!
@Llamapup
@Llamapup 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video. I understand the value of the LFP batteries being able to charge to 100% on a daily basis, but a journey like this for me would be a proper road trip where I would charge my LR AWD M3 to 100% . So it would be good to see the comparison with 100% charge in all cars. Maybe a journey of 275 miles including charging .
@ezpoppy55
@ezpoppy55 3 жыл бұрын
Terrific video and comparison! Love my 2021 M3 SR+ and have found it to be a very road worthy family (2 adults, 2 teenage boys) vehicle during the 9months / 10,000 miles I’ve driven it. It’s been on a few round trips of 1,000-1,200 miles. I’ve got a spring trip from California to Kentucky (~2,500 miles one way) coming up and I’m very excited to see how the car performs. Thanks for the great work and enduring freezing cold! Stay warm.
@Wassenburger
@Wassenburger 2 жыл бұрын
Embrace your geekery and numbers! As someone with a science background, I really enjoyed the data obtained and graphs in this video. Especially in real world conditions. Really helped me make an informed decision between a standard model and Longe Range model. Keep up the good videos!!
@russvague2748
@russvague2748 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Was waiting for a comparison of the 3 versions. Thanks so much.
@andrewgray4784
@andrewgray4784 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see what the long range on 18” wheels was like compared to 19”. Also I am interested in the supercharge charge time differences between pre heat and not pre heated. If you are not in a hurry, is it better to not pre heat? Great work as always 👍
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
More videos on both those to follow… 😉
@andrewgray4784
@andrewgray4784 3 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV awesome 🤓
@nielsvandenkieboom5034
@nielsvandenkieboom5034 3 жыл бұрын
Always pre-heat. It's better for the battery long-term. Of course you can't always pre-heat optimally but it's always better than charging a stone cold battery at a DC charger. For AC it doesn't really matter.
@andrewgray4784
@andrewgray4784 3 жыл бұрын
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 thanks Neils, do you know of any references where I could read about it?
@pablopirineos
@pablopirineos 3 жыл бұрын
If you are not in a hurry, do not pre heat. It is a waste of energy and money, and it is better for the battery health a lower temperature than a higher one. It is well known that Li-ion batteries prefer soft temperatures like 16-22 degrees Celsius. Regards from Spain.
@modernschoolatlas
@modernschoolatlas 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was wondering about (and I love a good spreadsheet). Thanks for doing the analysis, very useful.
@giodelonso6030
@giodelonso6030 Жыл бұрын
I am considering buying a Model 3 so this range comparison is really useful. Thx for your work.
@elmkglyfe7627
@elmkglyfe7627 3 жыл бұрын
You have one of the best channels discussing Tesla’s. You guys actually give relevant information vs the goofy “ things I wish I knew” type stuff way too many KZbinrs are doing with goofy thumbnails and useless stuff. Keep it up.
@dwylhq874
@dwylhq874 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this real-world comparison Richard! Really isn’t much in it between SR+ (LFP) and LR! 🙌
@Clayspeed
@Clayspeed 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding @3:02 My 2021 Model 3 performance shows 273 miles of range at 90% SOC. Curious as to why this one shows only 263. Very happy with the real world performance in this case regardless.
@twotone3871
@twotone3871 3 жыл бұрын
Another great analysis RSymons. But I guess the results are as expected. Basically, all Model 3s are rear wheel drive. The dual motor M3s have front wheel traction control and do not drive the front wheels unless the rears slip. The dual motors are heavier so would be slightly less efficient that the rear wheel only drive. The driving conditions were quite benign and wouldn't have engaged traction control at all, so the front motors never drew any power - only if preconditioning was turned on prior to supercharging. Congratulations win the success of the channel.
@sebstott3573
@sebstott3573 3 жыл бұрын
I wish people would more often quote time to add 100 miles of range. Time from 10-80% penalizes large batteries and doesn't take into account efficiency. It also gives a sense of what a road trip would look like if you were trying to reach the destination as quickly as possible (short charges keeping the battery under 70%).
@gbw28
@gbw28 Жыл бұрын
Even spending about 23 mins to add 150 miles is completely acceptable to me.
@bigdougscommentary5719
@bigdougscommentary5719 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate your methodology used to make the video content. So many KZbinrs do these comparisons utilizing sequential testing instead of parallel testing. This is particularly erroneous when comparing different manufacturers’ models. Thank.
@MrDom861
@MrDom861 2 ай бұрын
Is the performance worth the extra over the long range??
@davetalton6939
@davetalton6939 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to see a real world comparison. Great work.
@nielsruge
@nielsruge 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for providing the figures also in metric, greetings from 🇩🇪
@kenominix8210
@kenominix8210 2 жыл бұрын
I just love your channel, videos & indepth yet simplistic analysis/so easy anyone to understand.👍
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
☺️🤗
@Redix9
@Redix9 3 жыл бұрын
The best data analysis I have seen on KZbin! This makes me happy with my choice of the standard range, although I was stuck with opting for the performance rims for a faster delivery date. But shouldn't hurt the range too much especially since I live in LA,CA.
@recklessrogue9027
@recklessrogue9027 3 жыл бұрын
Another great convoy range test. Love the addition of the consumption and estimated range graphics.
@kevintengco7413
@kevintengco7413 3 жыл бұрын
Big fan from Canada. Subscribed shortly after receiving my 2021 M3 LR this past September and have learned so much from this channel. Thank you!
@richardeskins
@richardeskins 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Really interesting to see the new SR perform so well in comparison. Like others, I'd like to see the LR with 18 areos.
@Joe-lb8qn
@Joe-lb8qn 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent to see "time to add miles" as a stat ! Hopefully you will be leading others reviewers doing that.
@MCSMIK
@MCSMIK 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, once again proves the point that for 90% of people the Rear Wheel Drive Model 3 (or old SR+ name) is more than enough. Less battery to drag around and better efficiency for shorter daily trips. Costs less to buy and costs less to run. Unless you're made of money I don't know why you'd care about more than Standard in UK really...
@nettlesoup
@nettlesoup 3 жыл бұрын
For me, two years ago the LR was the only viable choice for occasional trips from the southeast to deepest darkest West Wales. It's still a real time saver on frequent journeys via the southern stretch of the M25 where Superchargers are few and far between (nothing between Heathrow and Maidstone that's easily accessible from the motorway at least). Speaking as someone who doesn't have home charging and relies entirely on public charging, the ability to go several days without having to venture out at night in the cold to a nearby slow charger and wake up early in the morning to pick the car up again before the car park charges come into force is worth the extra few thousand quid. LR with power boost is also very good fun and the 4WD gives me even more peace of mind in the snow. Things are improving constantly of course. Now there's a Supercharger on the west coast of Wales and one day very soon, GridServe will persuade ABB to pull their fingers out and work out how to get their chargers delivering more than the paltry 20 or 43 kW currently available at Cobham and Clacket Lane services. Until then I'm sailing by and getting places quickly and with less worries. In summary, yes, I'm in the 10% that probably really need LR, while for most, as you said, Standard Range works great.
@jm9371
@jm9371 3 жыл бұрын
Great dedicated EV channel... subscribers should explode this year. GREAT CONTENT!
@babylon5mh
@babylon5mh Жыл бұрын
Richard, since speaking to you about the Model S, seeing this and other videos, I am changing to a Model 3. This video is definitely going above and beyond. Really great videos. I'll call you soon regarding a Model 3 Keep up the good work, it's very much appreciated 👍
@Bubblegummonsters
@Bubblegummonsters 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, found it very useful. I own a M3P 2019 plate so it doesn't have the slightly bigger battery or heat pump. But I was actually pleasently surprised that the distances I get in the winter aren't too far off what your M3P gets in the winter. I think realistically I get about 200 miles now when it's freezing outside but then my battery also now only shows about 280 to 286 miles when fully charged due to my 30,000 miles on the clock . In the summer I can just about manage 230 and if Im drving very carefully aroundf 240. Would be great to see a comparision between the old and new to see what data you discover.
@roderickmain9697
@roderickmain9697 2 жыл бұрын
Mine, also 2019 M3P, get similar range to you.
@Bubblegummonsters
@Bubblegummonsters 2 жыл бұрын
@@roderickmain9697 could to know I’m in the same range as others
@johnhorlock4580
@johnhorlock4580 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video . Have you ever tried the model 3 performance with 18 inch standard wheels . Just a thought to see how much it does in Range John
@BeppeMr02
@BeppeMr02 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice video. I have one remark for the 3D graph that you showed. Like my Data Analysis teacher once said: "There is no need for 3D if 2D explains everything already".
@mazboengineer
@mazboengineer 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on Richard 👍🏼 ..with the changes and updates in recent times I’ve been waiting for a direct comparison video. Thank you sir 🙏🏼
@christopherthompson4464
@christopherthompson4464 2 жыл бұрын
Great job. Well done. Interesting. And clear!
@mamba8.24
@mamba8.24 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that! Have you got a 2022 version of the same vid?
@jonathansmith5850
@jonathansmith5850 3 жыл бұрын
Yet again I'm so impressed with the efficiency of that new Standard Range battery, esp in the cold temperatures you drove in. It is such good value for money. Almost makes it worth considering instead of the long range even if you can afford the long range, esp for 7-8k less............
@ouethojlkjn
@ouethojlkjn 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent episode! I would add that if a driver was attempting a long - one or more stop to supercharge journey - you might at least start off from home with 100%. So the Lon Range may get another 30 miles before needing to stop (or get away from the charger earlier) and similarly for the Intercooled Turbo. I mean Performance. However, if you don't care for spleen shattering acceleration and can do without an active sub and front fogs then the "base model" with heated steering wheel, electric boot lid makes a compelling package for the price.
@michaelchen2167
@michaelchen2167 2 жыл бұрын
At 5:35 I see blind spot warning indicator flashing. Is that now standard on all tesla model 3's?
@piersmarchington
@piersmarchington 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard. You say the LR has a 75kwh battery. Doesn't the new Refresh have an 82kwh Battery ?
@stoatsngroatsuk5012
@stoatsngroatsuk5012 3 жыл бұрын
A perfect report, thanks! I particularly liked the spreadsheet data at the end, rather than spoken detail,during the film, it’s easier for me t understand the comparison. Cheers guys!
@JRCarReviews
@JRCarReviews 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the km and kW/km data, the Celsius temp., if you would only mention how fast were you driving in km/h that would round up all the data for rest of the world and entire Europe.
@walkerrichardson
@walkerrichardson 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I appreciate that you educated viewers about pre-conditioning and included that as part of a pre-road trip checklist.
@burntwafflz
@burntwafflz 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing test! Just what I was looking for. Thanks so much for what you and your team do!
@JackMBradley
@JackMBradley 3 жыл бұрын
4:53 can we just take a moment to notice that reverse parking...
@P4LL3R
@P4LL3R 2 жыл бұрын
I also like the VW Fox at 5:25 going forward until he bumps into the curb. Amazing parking skills there.
@DamienMcAvoy
@DamienMcAvoy Жыл бұрын
Really interesting. Has public charging really doubled in price since you made this? 33p/kWh to 66p?
@R0BBS
@R0BBS 8 ай бұрын
Good morning Wondering if you could offer some advice. I currently have a 2020 pre refresh SR+. I've had some after sales issues with it and the garage has agreed that I can return it to them and take my deposit back. Part of me wish I didn't rush into this car and hold out for a refresh model or push a little and get LR. Should I spend a little extra per month and go for a LR refresh model? I think it could be a win win situation. Thanks for all your videos, lots of good advice on here. I did look on your website to see if you had something for my spec and price range but unfortunately not. Thanks
@nickieredshaw7835
@nickieredshaw7835 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video update. Great to see the data well done take care and safe travels
@ianjames3078
@ianjames3078 Жыл бұрын
Just reverted back to this really useful reference test. More inclined now to go for the RWD to be honest, I don’t need the performance or extra insurance costs of the LR or Performance …….cracking video.
@illharvey
@illharvey 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, I recently got a 2020 M3P, just wondering how much difference pre-conditioning makes to overall efficiency in this cold weather? We don’t currently have a home charger (about to move house) so it’s a bit of a catch 22 as I’m not sure fully pre-conditioning would be worth it when not plugged in. Currently struggling to get below 350 wh/m even when driving conservatively. Is this likely because of the lack of pre-conditioning or are the pre-heat pump models just that much less efficient?
@ThisMoth
@ThisMoth 2 жыл бұрын
Hoping for an answer to this one.
@TheJAMF
@TheJAMF 3 жыл бұрын
9:20 Are the "Time to add nn miles" tables swapped? It looks like the preheated (lower "yellow" table) charging sessions took longer. It they do take longer, you'd want to save time on the journey by not preheating
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you’re quite understanding. I’ll try clarify. If you are to continue journey and then need to preheat for another charging session again (rather than just going home for example) it will use more energy and therefor you need to charge another couple minutes to compensate (in advance) for that useage. The charging speeds and time for both is assuming the car has preheated for charging, like it will always try and do
@TheJAMF
@TheJAMF 3 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV Aha, IC. I wonder how much longer it would take then, if you would trick the car into not preheating, by setting a local destination manually. As an experiment.
@justinholding02
@justinholding02 3 жыл бұрын
I don't like Tesla's, but had to watch your video anyway, such a great channel 😉. And thanks for adding the kWh/100km. Great job as always. 👍👍
@joeburrow3422
@joeburrow3422 2 жыл бұрын
sir your videos are amazing! such a easy watch any time of the day!
@AllenHart999
@AllenHart999 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing channel. Thanks.
@sybaseguru
@sybaseguru 3 жыл бұрын
Great test. Time to add miles is the only recharge metric that matters. Its the one I care about - how long to recharge to do another 2+ hrs of driving on a nearly empty battery - in winter. My SR+ is 25mins - just time for a coffee and a pee.
@DamienMcAvoy
@DamienMcAvoy Жыл бұрын
What year do the heat pump cars appear? 2021?
@topias7849
@topias7849 Жыл бұрын
Any idea what was the average mph? That’s quite relevant
@MarcoTrillion
@MarcoTrillion 2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME! THANK YOU, THAT HELPED A LOT TO MAKE MY DECISION ON MY MODEL 3 PURCHASE.
@hulkhogan9450
@hulkhogan9450 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2019 Model 3 SR+ with 45,000km on the clock running 19s and full charge too 100% gets me 353km on the dash which it never does anyway unless driving like miss daisy. Be good to see a comparison of maybe 3 of the same eg early SR+ 2018/9 and then a 2020 and then a MIC with the latest battery pack. Mix it up with a high mileage one for variety. Great stuff as always, your a blessing to the EV world.
@t0nkatsu
@t0nkatsu 2 жыл бұрын
How should I be preheating the car before a journey? The schedule thing is a bit weird to use when it’s a one off journey. Am I good just heating the cabin up or should I be preheating the battery too if I want to get max efficiency for a particular journey? Also, is there any benefit to charging to 50% instead of 90% for the traditional (non LiPo) batteries?
@SphereNZ
@SphereNZ 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, and putting the stats on the screen really helped, thanks!
@truckso2pl
@truckso2pl 2 жыл бұрын
Is there different sound system in standard version? What standard safety systems are in Tesla? Without bought autopilot. I wonder if car without autopilot also avoid collision?
@Emaratilfy
@Emaratilfy 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the effort as always! Just one question: is the window wiper control still cumbersome on the M3? Last time I checked, you still had to control the wipers through the touch screen which is just stupid and dangerous.
@bartwaggoner2000
@bartwaggoner2000 3 жыл бұрын
Everything is auto these days, you have to sort of accept it.
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
They are auto, but button on end of left stalk wipes. It then learns how often you like it wiped.
@Flyingjaffacake
@Flyingjaffacake 3 жыл бұрын
I got my M3LR recently and the wipers are absolutely fine. I was expecting a disaster given the complaining on forums, but if you want more or they don't kick in fast enough just press the stalk button again and it seems to up the sensitivity. Haven't needed to touch the screen yet.
@--Nath--
@--Nath-- 3 жыл бұрын
Press the button on the left stalk or hold down for spray and wipe.. Auto seems to work pretty well.. I haven't had too many complaints about it so far (and it has been a wet summer here in oz)
@Bubblegummonsters
@Bubblegummonsters 2 жыл бұрын
I’d say for me it’s the signal that’s the most annoying thing. It always seems to stay on even when I flick it in the opposite direction.
@neilpickard5410
@neilpickard5410 Жыл бұрын
Love the content,but any chance of us seeing the trip computer please? Just the total mileage and total kw/hrs used please. Thanks in advance.
@sbarros3611
@sbarros3611 Жыл бұрын
Great content. Do you have a review of the Model3 RWD long range?
@mudwhistle74
@mudwhistle74 3 жыл бұрын
Do the dual motor vehicles give better regen from the two motors (when used) in town so therefore gain longer mileage when driven in that type of situation?
@lucianb.2365
@lucianb.2365 3 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you for a great video and numbers! I have a question not related to this topic, hope you could answer. I saw for a moment a side mirror with a blind spot led on. Was it a model 3? I know they don't have this but now I have hopes that starting 2022 it was added Thank you again!
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
No, that was bmw i4 m50 acting as camera car (and also being ranger tested!)
@lucianb.2365
@lucianb.2365 3 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV all my hopes are gone 😭
@maxgreece1
@maxgreece1 3 жыл бұрын
I have the SR+ with the LFP battery. Winter seems to make a big difference to the economy although I don’t know if it’s more or less than for their other battery chemistry’s. Suffice to say in warmer weather we were getting 105 KW/KLM and now that it’s gotten colder (around 5 to 10 degrees in Athens) we are averaging 145. I should say that’s mainly around town and dual carriageway and in “chill mode.”
@miggy8011
@miggy8011 3 жыл бұрын
In New Zealand with a SR+/RWD (Nov 21) 60kW LFP battery, just done 4700km at 141 kW/km
@jonathantaylor1998
@jonathantaylor1998 2 жыл бұрын
I find these comparison tests absolutely fascinating, Richard - thank you as always... But, oh my Lord man... Whilst I'm one for stats and data - jeez, fella... your spreadsheet at the end gave me brain freeze...!! 🤣
@martinweston8147
@martinweston8147 3 жыл бұрын
Great details and content much appreciated all the effort that goes into making this 👍
@gery4870
@gery4870 3 жыл бұрын
The camera vehicle, was the BMW i4 M50 ? If it was, it would be awesome to show some consumption tests !!! Thanks so much :)
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
Stay tunned! Coming very soon.
@gery4870
@gery4870 3 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV I can not wait anymore :)
@kacperlis5321
@kacperlis5321 3 жыл бұрын
More LFP content please!
@davidgreen8171
@davidgreen8171 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, great stats and good to see associated costs. I think the SR is the no brainer choice looking at those stats.
@spikebmth
@spikebmth 3 жыл бұрын
Theres me thinking you've taken a very scenic route to start with, then remembered "the bridge is out!" Then you park in an empty car park, and someone parks right next to you lol Great Video!
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
😂 parked right next to my car out of many spaces!
@bobbobman767
@bobbobman767 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that - they made a right meal of it too!!! lol :)
@spikebmth
@spikebmth 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbobman767 I thought they where going to hit Tesla at first!
@jeromeandre4915
@jeromeandre4915 3 жыл бұрын
excellent! thanks for taking the time to produce such a video/test. (y)
@zeegee1856
@zeegee1856 Жыл бұрын
Does the model 3 long range come with a LFP batter configuration, or is it only the model standard.
@DS-pk4eh
@DS-pk4eh 2 жыл бұрын
So at the moment in the wintertime, I am at 16kWh/100km, I have LR 2021 made in the Shanghai factory, so I would suppose it has an LFP battery. I have 18" wheels. The car might look a bit better with 19¨ ones but it is not worth it. You get a more comfy ride and a bit more range with smaller wheels. Great review, it was done properly. Kudos.
@MarcioNovelli
@MarcioNovelli 2 жыл бұрын
Was the Standard LFP FWD or RWD?
@marcinmerrimack1726
@marcinmerrimack1726 2 жыл бұрын
RWD. Tesla doesn’t offer a FWD option.
@paultguest
@paultguest 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard really helpful report. Can you use the superchargers more frequently with the new LFP battery or for everyday use would you suggest sticking with a 50KW. I don't currently have access to home charger and was thinking for everyday use around town it might be easier to just charge every few weeks on a supercharger but concerned this might damage the battery. Thanks Paul
@scholz222
@scholz222 Жыл бұрын
Don’t buy an EV unless you have a home charger. It makes zero sense.
@MrKlawUK
@MrKlawUK 3 жыл бұрын
for just range (if performance/AWD doesn’t matter to you) I think the new 60kwh SR is the best value right now. The LR I’d try and hold off until the 79-82Kwh battery comes to give it a bit more of a range gap again. That range doesn’t justify the £7k price increase (of course if you want the performance or AWD that affects your decision too)
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
Shame we don’t get that version here yet, but yes I agree
@danpaul4975
@danpaul4975 2 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV might be coming soon, the quoted range on the site has changed for the long range to 374, maybe to reflect bigger battery??
@MrKlawUK
@MrKlawUK 2 жыл бұрын
Feels like the new 82 is needed to reassert the LR value - the 60 RWD closes the gap just enough to make the LR look less value for money. If we're sure new orders Q1 this year will be the 82kwh that might be a good option. At the moment it seems a little uncertain?
@rdbeswick
@rdbeswick 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy watching your videos!! Both you and your team.....Excellent work!!!
@andie9762
@andie9762 3 жыл бұрын
Nice editing!
@mikeburgess7787
@mikeburgess7787 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video Richard,getting my RWD in the next couple of weeks after what seems like waiting decades.Keep up the great work. Mike
@brendonsze
@brendonsze 3 жыл бұрын
hey Richard, is there a significant ride comfort difference in the model 3 between the 18" and 19" rims?
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
All models and all wheels are hard riding. 18” with slightly deflated tyres are best though (unless filming i run 39psi instead of the 44 it was delivered with new)
@marcelromijn2
@marcelromijn2 3 жыл бұрын
Good video yet again! Maybe i've missed it but how were traffic conditions? I'm assuming you had no slow traffic? just on tuesday the 11th I had a similar trip 0 degrees and 183 miles round trip with the return trip of 91 miles being a bit busier. I have the SR+ lfp, I used 83% battery on the total trip so for me i achieved a theoretical range of 220 miles and it couldve been better had i not shown off the car to a collegue where i used 3% on 5 miles ;) as i've only gotten the car 30-12 :P
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
Yes like I say quite easy to get this LFP more efficient. We had clear traffic so it was all 70mph, plus A43 roundabout sprints as we also tested the bmw i4 M. We weren’t hanging around at all…
@ememal6781
@ememal6781 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Nice report...what was the average speed?
@bobaldis51
@bobaldis51 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, but was I misreading the stats, it seemed to show longer charging times for the pre-heated charges?
@timinator824
@timinator824 3 жыл бұрын
I missed it. Did you keep the climate the same in both? Does the computer report the wh/mile with the power used by climate?
@Glyn001
@Glyn001 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the hard enjoyable work that went into this real world range test
@MrKlawUK
@MrKlawUK 2 жыл бұрын
just picked up my 2022 LR with the larger battery - should be around 76kwh usable. Will you be getting one in? Would be good to have another head to head with the two 2022 model 3s
@ryanconklin1440
@ryanconklin1440 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Model 3 love your videos. People always come up to my car and ask how l like my Tesla? Such a dumb question, what I am going to say "no I hate the car, that's why I bought it." lol
@marcinmerrimack1726
@marcinmerrimack1726 2 жыл бұрын
No need to react negatively to people simply inquiring genuinely about your car.
@filiiony4727
@filiiony4727 2 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if you told us how the I4 m50 from witch you filmed did.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
That video will be released soon…
@justcruisin109
@justcruisin109 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered the M3LR mainly for the AWD - the larger battery was just a bonus although given the distances in Australia, it will undoubtedly be very handy for longer trips. Cheers and thanks for all your efforts to help educate us.
@--Nath--
@--Nath-- 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in Oz and got the M3LR - it's great (if you have the extra cash for the LR) - although the extra juice in reserve is for running the aircon in summer (this zero degrees stuff is fairly irrelevant when there are more real world 30-40 or more degree days..). The SR+ would also be fine - just would spend a bit more time at super chargers, but boy they are quick.. a bit too quick sometimes!
@justrandomthings319
@justrandomthings319 2 жыл бұрын
Performance has AWD too.
@TheAegisClaw
@TheAegisClaw 2 жыл бұрын
Does the Long Range with the aero wheels go significantly further?
@madmike6266
@madmike6266 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. Loving the trance music too. I’ve noticed my long range drop it’s range quite a bit but nothing too bad. Roll on the summer 🤣
@reubenmitchell5269
@reubenmitchell5269 3 жыл бұрын
the M3 SR LFP is the perfect car for New Zealand; we have Cheap power, it never gets as cold as this (except in the deep South) so range is always close to the summer range all year round, it can basically drive anywhere only needing one supercharge, we get the MIC version so no quality issues. Suddenly I see why it ended 2021 in the Top 10 selling vehicles despite costing $60k NZD.
@alexdalgleish1061
@alexdalgleish1061 3 жыл бұрын
$60k in NZ only £30k GBP in the UK. If only we paid that here.
@reubenmitchell5269
@reubenmitchell5269 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexdalgleish1061 that's after the govt BEV grant
@alexdalgleish1061
@alexdalgleish1061 3 жыл бұрын
@@reubenmitchell5269 Thought might be. California discount even bigger. Doubt the UK will ever get close to either.
@johnmckay1423
@johnmckay1423 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexdalgleish1061 Nearly new Model 3s are going for more than list price on Autotrader currently, so no chance of prices coming down 😔
@adrianleitch6996
@adrianleitch6996 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexdalgleish1061 £32k in Australia currently for the SR+/RWD excluding any subsidies, slightly higher with on roads but still 'cheap' here for a Tesla
@tomattime
@tomattime 3 жыл бұрын
Always quality and fascinating real world rEViews 👏🏽
@LuckTR
@LuckTR 3 жыл бұрын
I think the most valuable data, subjectively, are the recharge times...The efficiency and relevant range is heavily affected by wheel size in this case...in addition to other factors such as AWD, weight etc. I bet having the LR Dual Motor on 18s would make a sound case for the upgrade still (+the acceleration fun factor). Performance is just too much fun hahah. Love the data. Thanks for your hard work, RSEV Team!
@audunskilbrei8279
@audunskilbrei8279 3 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the recharge times as they are presented here are also affected by wheel size. If the LR was fitted with 18" Aero wheels the "Time to add 100 miles" would be shorter. Although it would still probably be ~9 minutes. I don't imagine it would make that much difference. My takeaway from this is unless you need 4WD go for the SR. If you want to have fun go for performance. The Long range, at these prices, falls between two chairs for me.(Even though I actually own a LR myself. haha.)
@boostav
@boostav 3 жыл бұрын
@@audunskilbrei8279 You have to keep in mind this LR has the 75kWh battery. They have now transitioned to the 80kWh ones.
@melcragg7814
@melcragg7814 3 жыл бұрын
Can you fit the SRP aero wheels to a performance, or do the calipers get in the way?
@RSEV
@RSEV 3 жыл бұрын
Caliper stop big… but aftermarket 18” wheels can be sourced that fit (I think)
@melcragg7814
@melcragg7814 3 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV Thanks. I thought so. I was hoping to get something lighter and more aero.
@zunairmushtaq5888
@zunairmushtaq5888 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Much needed. Now waiting for Model Y comparisons ones you can get your hands on it.
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