New Testament Manuscript Battles - Intro Byzantine & Alexandrian Texts

See also the video on the Septuagint & Masoretic Texts • Sacred Texts: Septuagi...
Videos Supporting Majority Text (Byzantine)
Kongebarn. “Proof that the Textus Receptus & Traditional Text precedes the Critical Text (Westcott & Hort)!” KZbin. Feb 26, 2019. • Proof that the Textus ... (31:41).
He demonstrates that although Codex Sinaiticus is the oldest complete text discovered, early church fathers quote the Antioch Text (part of the Byzantine family), demonstrating its antiquity. The video includes examples of the differences between the translations.
Resisting the Downgrade. “The Majority Text - Statistical Model.” KZbin. Nov 27, 2015. • Video (23:32).
This video lays the claim the manuscripts that statistically are in the majority are the most likely to be accurate.
New Life of Albany Ga. “The Differences Between the Byzantine and the Alexandrian Text Type Bible.” KZbin. Mar 20, 2017. • The Differences Betwee... (5:07).
This video focuses on the similarities of Byzantine texts and the inconsistencies of Alexandrian texts.
KJVM - Bryan Denlinger. “Early Manuscript Evidence For The KJV.” KZbin. Jul 22, 2011. • Early Manuscript Evide... (19:35).
This video shows a book for sale which documents the differences between the version and which ancient manuscripts support which versions.
Videos Supporting Critical Text Theory (Alexandrian)
Ken Allen. “The Greek Majority Manuscripts Contradict the KJV.” KZbin. Jul 27, 2017. • The Greek Majority Man... (13:52).
He stresses the antiquity of the Alexandrian Texts. He points out that the KJV originally had translation notes, but the Blaney edition, which most people have if they use KJV, removed these notes. He notes most of the differences are inconsequential.
THiNKeasy. “Can We Trust Alexandrian Manuscripts?” KZbin. Nov 23, 2017. • Have Modern Bible Vers... (8:34).
Demonstrates the faulty logic of some Byzantine supporters when they use sinfulness of Egypt as a reason for distrusting Alexandrian texts, since scholars don’t really know where the manuscripts originated. He claims the early church had few established beliefs and was “a mess.” He claims no manuscript reflects the Textus Receptus. He downgrades the importance of the issue.
Biblical Theology. “Dr. James White -Which Bible translation is the most reliable?” KZbin. Jun 24, 2016. • Dr. James White -Which... (8:46).
White lays claims about the inaccuracy of Erasmus’s work.

[@VincenzoRutiglianoDiaz]

So sad that you have the best video on the topic yet so little views

[@CornerTalker]

thanks

[@rogerchavez9824]

People don't know what time it is that's why😉....... they're eyes are wide ( shut) 👁️👁️

[@BenjHouston]

It gets a lot wrong and leaves out important details. First off, the Alexandrian Texts are not older than the Textus Receptus, kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWG0ZGyMhc-tZsU And also, Westcott and Hort were not Christians at all, so trusting them with their translations is not wise at all.

[@justinian420]

this is an outstanding summary of the issue. The visuals you composed are edifying.

[@TheKingdomOfHeavenIsAtHand333]

amen

[@a.k.7840]

Great video! 👏 Thanks very much for uploading this!

[@HectorsSearch4Truth]

Very well done video. Your way of explaining everything was very easy and your visual cues made everything super clear. God bless 🙏

[@kawikaguibault7881]

A very well put together presentation. Learned quite a lot. Thank you for this gift

[@rosspurdy9283]

Erasmus did not call his text the Textus Receptus. That term was not used until the Elzevier brothers and is used anachronistically for earlier print editions.

[@jeffcunningham9768]

Took the words from my finger tips! :)

[@duckymomo7935]

Well of course since it’s an academic term to differentiate the biblical sources

[@user-mb1yz6cl2u]

Great video! Thanks for sharing. It has helped me tremendously, praise God!

[@cognoscenticycles4351]

A concise overview of the various manuscript traditions. Thanks for sharing that!

[@Jaunyus]

Great video. It sums up the whole topic better than any other presentation I've seen before. Peace

[@joeigla6576]

Thank you for such an excellent summary of how we got our Bible.

[@estar1277]

Thanks. I was searching n searching for a video to clear this to me, didnt find and finally found this. Thanks a lot. Its such a relief. God bless you. Praise the Lord for all His works thro His people!

[@ralphowen3367]

I learned more than I knew before, but it could be that the reason that the Byzantine type text is not deemed the oldest and representing the ordinal autographs is that at least one Roman Emperor--Diocletian--had the true texts destroyed and/or confiscated in the empire

[@freedominthecrossministries]

What a great video. I’ve often thought of making a similar video. Now I don’t have to. Thanks for doing this.

[@magnify999]

Clear and well put together. Thank you!

[@ernieland2480]

Go to the 1611 Ministries and listen and learn!

[@allwillberevealed777]

@@ernieland2480 What about the MasoNretic text?

[@alanmunch5779]

Excellent overview, thank you.

[@scottsprowl7484]

Ive been a KJV all my life, but have recently been reading the 1599 Geneva , i really like it.

[@bmu1144]

Thats the Bible that made the USA, GNV

[@madpoet16.2.15]

Excellent work! Thanks.

[@rodneyjackson6181]

What this video failed to mention is that there are 1800 differences between the Majority Text and the Received Text (Textus Receptus).

[@stevenaguilera9202]

Isn't the Received Text just a subset of the Majority Text ?

[@rodneyjackson6181]

@@stevenaguilera9202 I don't think so. While they are similar as in the Byzantine Text type, they are not exactly the same. Majority Text is more eastern while the Received Text is more western. The Majority Text is also based on the majority agreement of a compilation of manuscripts this the name Majority Text. While the TR contains 1 John 5:7 and Acts 8:37, the Majority Text does not. Blessings!!

[@primopierre]

Thank you for this concise presentation. Indeed i am interested to know more details about how we got our present day Bible. Hope you can, soon 🙏🏼

[@failingdisciple938]

Outstanding presentation!

[@CornerTalker]

Thanks

[@m.hishamothman3340]

Thanks.. very clear and well presented

[@avismore3938]

Great video easy to understand

[@ivan_pushkarevsky]

Well, considering the fact, that maniscripts "live" for just 100-200 years when being used activelly, it's not surprising that we don't have originals, but it is surprising that we have manuscripts that are 50-150 years older than authographs (originals). Off course, those are not full copies, but still are very important. Yes, there are chunks that are added to the texts by the scribes, but they don't effect the doctrins, like you said. And they look like additions that have roots in oral tradition. Other than that, the presentation is great! Thank you for your work!

[@ernieland2480]

Go to the 1611 Ministries and listen and learn!

[@kelliejohnson3766]

I am a Christian and trying to learn more about the history of how we have the Bible. This was easy to understand and provided a lot of information. Thank you!

[@GregVasquez777]

When Erasmus finished his collation, collected manusctipts to form the greek, it was called Novum Instrumentum Omne, not the Textus Receptus. There were many typo errors and versions that people complained about. so on the last page within a sentence the PRINTERS wrote "Textum ergo habes, nunc ab omnibus receptum: in quo nihil immutatum aut corruptum damus ("so you hold the text, now received by all, in which (is) nothing corrupt"). Later elzivar tried to make the TR one word. after, after....

[@caldylangoss2287]

Really nice work

[@coreyr.1012]

Great video, thanks!

[@superproducercbiz]

Dope video 💯💯💯 I started with the NIV , slowly transitioning to the King james. As of now I’m reading them side to side.

[@bradenhogan2]

You are a great teacher thank you

[@google9581]

Thank you! Very helpful.

[@chabowabo]

Wow excellent presentation.

[@savingjesusagainstculticap4469]

A must to know, look very basic and easy.But with out proper hard work of learning the stuff can not makes such great summarize of biblical history..Well done!

[@povoq83]

Great video ! I put forward the hypothesis that the manuscrits that are fewer (those who differ from de mainstream byzantine text) have been transmitted orally. It seems to be a commun practice these days to memorize large portions of texts. (the coran in it's early stages was mainly transmitted orally) I seems to me that the Alexandrian texts were not considered as valuable. They would all know that copies of an orally transmitted text wasn't as valuable as a written copy. That's the reason why they have been preserved better (not used as much as others), it's the reason why they have been forgotten in the libraries, and also why the differences between the manuscripts of the minority text are much more frequent.

[@lisamorrison6274]

Good thinking. This idea helps me understand more about the topic. I can really picture this being how it happened.

[@zeryahu]

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 (KJB) 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not _soon shaken_ _in mind_, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, _nor by_ _letter_ _as from us_, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[@ethanrichard4950]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@rebeccaharp3254]

Well done. Thank you

[@TheSeptuagint]

I thank Adonai for leading me to this video. This is an issue I was completely in the dark about. Byzantine vs. Alexandria n. This coming from someone who is currently comparing and contrasting all the differences between the Septuagint and the Masoretic Text!

[@freddyp3012]

shalom from indonesia. thanks for the video...

[@TheKingdomOfHeavenIsAtHand333]

so interesting thank you god bless

[@achristian11]

EXCELLENT VIDEO

[@timothyIII1977]

Just two quick points and a couple suggestions. First God preserved his Word according to many verses in the Scriptures. Second Desidarius Erasmus revised his work a total of 5 times to try to perfect it. I suggest you look into the writings of Hort and Wescott published after their deaths and definitely look up and listen to the testimony of repentance that Dr. Frank Logsdon gave. Dr. Logsdon wrote the Preface of the NASB version when it was first put out. It along with nearly ALL the new translations are based on the Hort, Wescott, Nestle and Aland Greek text. Then you can discern and decide for yourself what Scripture you should be using. God Bless All

[@joseramonperez9609]

The fact that NIV, CSB, HCSB, NET, ESV, NASB, LSB and many others are based on the work of these four non-real christians, it is evidence of how the enemy has blinded the eyes of most of the people involved in the work of translating these modern bible translations, what a big shame. Desideruis was used by God to bring us the real and trustworthy word of God, that's why the Reformers' translations are the way to follow.

[@TheDmitriProject]

@@joseramonperez9609So God inspired Erasmus to lie about the last 6 verses of Revelation? Get out of here with the KJVonlyism. It’s 2024, that’s a tired gag.

[@joseramonperez9609]

@@TheDmitriProject Hi, I think that God used the *_Reformers_* to give us translations in English, Spanish, German, French, Italian and Portuguese from the most truthworthy sources, the latest modern translation have cut off verses which were part of the original, the manuscripts before the corrupted *_"Alexandrian manuscripts"_*

[@joseramonperez9609]

@@TheDmitriProject Hi, I'm not a KJVonlysm at all, I'm just seeing how the modern English Translations which almost all of them are based on the corrupted *_"Alexandrian manuscripts*"_** not in the earliest ones used by the **_*"Church Fathers"_* these corrupted manuscripts are the base for these translations which have cutt off important verses which were part of the *_Scriptures_* and that's the problem.

[@ShepherdMinistry]

@@joseramonperez9609Thoughts on the johannine comma?

[@johnsavard7583]

I've seen it claimed that the numerous differnces between Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are nearly all very minor differences. Also, since the Catholic Church used the Western Text (Gospels and Acts in Codex Bezae, Pauline Epistles in Codex Claromontanus) as the basis for most of the Old Testament in the Vetus Latina before Jerome, it should have gotten a little mention.

[@jesusisgodandking270]

Excellent video, very thoroughly researched and well presented!!!

[@ernieland2480]

Go to the 1611 Ministries and listen and learn!

[@Kejogre]

An excellent, though "scholarly", work on this is "The Original Ending of Mark" but I cannot recall the sub-title or Author (and I can't find my kindle).

[@CornerTalker]

It can also be a rabbit hole one can dive into and be lost for decades.

[@Kejogre]

@@CornerTalker The Original Ending of Mark: A New Case for the Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20 by Nicholas P. Lunn

[@KingjamesAV1611]

@@CornerTalker Amen!!

[@ofamao]

Thank you so much! I appreciate you presenting both sides. The last time I revisited this, it was a horrible experience and I gave up. I defended the NT as a whole. But I am starting to see holes in my position. I will continue to believe in good faith, that God is faithful. We are blessed to have this problem. If we can even call it a problem.

[@ernieland2480]

Go to the 1611 Ministries and listen and learn!

[@Rightlydividing-wx1xb]

@mrk4954 are you not familiar with the 16th and 17th centuries? Who do you think created the Greek and English texts in the late middle ages, up through much of the 17th century. The 1611 revision of the Bishop's Bible (CATHOLIC PUE BIBLE), which is called the KJV is Anglican. I hope this helps some.

[@InfinitelyManic]

Do we have a citation re Erasmus using Codex Bezae?

[@makarov138]

In case I missed it, the 1901 ASV bible also uses the Westcott and Hort NT text. In fact, I think it may have been the first to do so.

[@samuelvasquez589]

This was an excellent and very interesting explanation of positions on both sides. This is what I refer to as objective evidence as opposed to the subjective one sided view of people like James White.

[@betawithbrett7068]

As for the Pool of Bethesday 4:51 we have Tertullian referring to this around 200 AD and saying the angel stirred the water. This is the "west" and his manuscript references are characterized often as WESTERN Textual family. So maybe John did not have the included, but since that is EARLY tradition and belief, I tend to believe it and therefore appreciate that it is in the KJV.

[@John14-6...]

I didn't know that only 6 manuscripts were used for the Textus Receptus. It is synonymous with the Byzantine text which is known as the majority text. Where does the term Critical text come in then that all modern translations use? I've heard its Alexandrian but also that it has the most manuscripts for scholars to choose. That cannot be possible right?

[@G.D.9]

Hey Mike, the TR is only synonymous with the Byzantine/Majority text in less knowledgeable circles, in fact the TR differers from the Majority Text in ~1800 places, this is explained by the facts that Erasmus didn't use the best examplars of the Majority Text, he didn't have a manuscript of Revelation (and was forced to extract one from a greek/latin commentary in which the last page was missing, thus he translated the last 6 verses directly from the latin Vulgate into greek) and consulted the Vulgate on a number of readings in which he prefered it in comparison to the greek manuscripts. An interesting note is that since Erasmus colated from 6 manuscripts to create his TR it is, in fact, also a "critical text" because he adopted textual criticism when he chose readings from these manuscripts, which were all different. The modern concept of "Critical Text" began in the 19th Century with Westcott-Hort, and the recent archeological findings of ever earlier manuscripts and the adoption of scientific methodology to reconstruct the original text out of the huge number of manuscripts we possess (~5800), particularly from the very earliest ones like Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, and the papyri like P45, P66, P75 and others which are the earlist surviving witnesses of the text.

[@ricdavid7476]

v good and mercifully short

[@paultrosclair1775]

You show an image of a page from Vaticanus as an example of 4th to 8th century manuscripts. However, it shows obvious initial drop caps. Initial drop caps were not used until the middle ages.

[@yvonnegonzales2973]

Thanks for the details, additional info on text of the gospel by james snapp jr

[@wretchedpoet29]

This was a very well presented and informative video. Thank you for this.

[@ernieland2480]

Go to the 1611 Ministries and listen and learn!

[@BenB23.]

Great short intro

[@CornerTalker]

thank you

[@ioan_jivan]

Thanks a lot for this. The New Testament just got more complicated. It does seem like the division occured earlier if church fathers quoted the Byzantine manuscripts.

[@betawithbrett7068]

How could the early Church fathers QUOTE manuscripts that came 600 - 800 years later or more. By "Church Fathers", I assume you mean Ante Nicene Fathers (1st century AD to 325), but maybe you mean 10th century AD church fathers eh? I say that since the Byzantine manuscripts are primarily nineth (9th) century to 15th century AD? since all NT manuscripts, other meaningless variations, match each other, for the MOST PART then of course you could see common ground between the quotes they made and the Byzantine Majority text family. In such as comparison, you could say that about any of the Textual families. By meaningless variations they all have, in Greek word order is VERY flexible but not so much in English. So putting some words before or after others technically is a variation. Also, if the definite article was included in some but not in others (translates as the word THE), then that is a variation. Spelling variations are considered textual variations. No, the church fathers of the first 300 years quotes match mostly the Alexandrian and Western text families, which these two are the oldest NT manuscripts we have.

[@johnsparrow4627]

It was very helpful. Thnx.

[@cadburries]

Thank you for this splendid introduction the best I've seen so far. Just one question: how do we know the dates of all the different manuscripts? Perhaps the most interesting case would be the date of the Rylands manuscript.

[@bstring3967]

From my understanding none of them are carbon dated, I think they use writing styles of certain periods in history and they make a guess of most likely when the texts are dated. I could be wrong but I’d like to know more too instead of taking different scholars word for it.

[@NomadJournalistNews]

I believe handwriting analysis is generally used - which means precise dates are impossible(only ranges). However, it is possible to establish the general age of the document. And (by way of example) it's unlikely a 5th century scribe would try to make a 4th century forgery. After all, there would have been older manuscripts available in his time. As to carbon dating(someone correct me if I'm wrong), I believe the process wouldn't actually provide clarification. Carbon dating is used for very old things, and gives a general age range. However, from what I know of the process, it's not precise enough to clarify between a few hundred years.

[@ernieland2480]

@@bstring3967 Go to the 1611 Ministries and listen and learn!

[@ernieland2480]

@@NomadJournalistNews Go to the 1611 Ministries and listen and learn!

[@coreymihailiuk5189]

An excellent presentation. Its noteworthy that so called Byzantine texts were quoted by Christians from the 1st and 2nd century. I would assume that would validate them to some degree. I am curious to know more about this topic.

[@GregVasquez777]

Good presentation... Uncials not Unicals but one of the better presentations on the subject as far as understandable and well thought out.

[@zipper778]

Overall a good introduction to the manuscript tradition of the Bible. I would like to point out though, that from 8:05-8:50 you have mistyped the word "uncial" as "unical" and therefore mispronounced uncial. Otherwise, I enjoyed the video.

[@CornerTalker]

thanks

[@CornerTalker]

I am uncertain where the number 5800 originated. Determining the actual number of manuscripts is difficult. Considering the ones in Greek: The Institute for New Testament Textual Research (INTF) in Münster, Germany has catalogued over 320 uncial codices, which are the older ones. However, many believe a few of these should be removed from the list (055 is actually a commentary; 0100, 0129, and 0192 are lectionaries; 0168 is lost; 0212 is a diatessaron; 0152 and 0153 are not manuscripts at all). The same institute has catalogued 2911 minuscule codices. These were generally created between 700 and the invention of the printing press. As of 2021, only 141 papyri fragments were known, and some of these have been judged to be fragments of the same original manuscript. Manuscripts also include at least 100 in Old Latin and many more of the Vulgate; also New Testament manuscripts in Syriac, German (Codex Koridethi, for example), and Ethiopian Ge’ez (The Garima Gospel).

[@JPH4886]

@2:05 he should have included "that despite minor variations the monks missed, copies from those manuscript mistakes can be compared to properly copied manuscripts, because properly copied manuscripts were MUCH more plentiful" thus we could trace that we have God's Word

[@michaelramirez7096]

The word change makes a huge difference, and then you can say there can be more Begotten son of God.No there is only one and will only ever be one. And we ain't talking being born by his spirit for he makes us the sons of God through his spirit but him actually coming down and wrapping himself in flesh and being born. Oh my fault lolol great work though very clear unbiased and straight to the point your did a great job 👍.

[@eclipseeventsigns]

The very last chart is very telling. It's missing the "original" source. All the various Greek "translations" can be explained if you include the original Aramaic that the authors wrote it ALL in. There's so much evidence for this that almost no one investigates. But scholars of the 1800's worked this all out. The books are no longer published but they are available.

[@christfollower5713]

That was worth typing "Text types of NT" on youtube , glad that i got this video , i am really trying to know more about that , so thanks for ur lovely effort. Can i ask is it possible to get this wonderful powerpoint presentation?

[@mayginnes7476]

This is a very helpful video. Thank you. Please be aware that the word is uncial, not unical.

[@samuelfelix3598]

Byzantine texts has never misleaded the church, even if those verses were added they're not negative teachings neither contradicts the doctrines of the apostles.

[@CornerTalker]

I agree and perhaps wasn't clear that I was reporting what my sources had said and not stating my personal belief.

[@hiramserna5035]

yeah I agree with you,. If these "added texts" were actually harmful or even a little concerning then I would no doubt join the Alexandrian camp, but, they instead push more christ into the picture. I don't see how that is evil.

[@exposingtruth600]

@Hiram Serna I believe alexandrian text is misleading as in some verses it changes meanings.

[@allangibson8494]

@@exposingtruth600And the KJV has texts that have changed meanings too compared to modern English - in thousands of places. Languages morph and drift. The KJV also has deliberate mistranslations to support the political agenda of King James and minimise embarrassment over some of his policies that conflicted with actual Biblical teachings.

[@exposingtruth600]

@@allangibson8494 I don’t believe in the KJV anymore as much as I used to

[@casey1167]

great graphic.

[@paultrosclair1775]

I suggest that you watch "Netiher oldest nor best" by the King James Bible research council on KZbin. It will shed more light on the subject.

[@InfinitelyManic]

Erasmus entitled his first Greek NT Novum Instrumentum omne, NOT Textus Receptus.

[@anthonykeve8894]

Where did you obtain this incomplete, inaccurate Koine Greek (KG) NT, manuscript (MSS), & English translation info. THE Majority Text of Farstad & Hodges differs from the 1769* edition of KJ translation in1838 places including that it lacks 1 John 5:7. *has nearly 4000 more words than the 1611 While the accounts vary Erasmus had between 6 & 12 INCOMPLETE MSS. He filled in the gaps w/translation portions from the Latin Vulgate. Anyone who doesn’t know Reformation history would think Erasmus published only one NT. And/or no one performed & published add’l KG NTs after him. Also Erasmus was dead nearly 100 before anyone heard the phrase or term coined by the Elzevir brothers: Textus Receptus or TR. Erasmus published FIVE KG NTs 1516, 1519 , 1522, 1527, & 1535. Luther used the 1519 edition for his first German translation. Stephanus published four: 1546, 1549, 1550, and 1551, the last in Geneva. The 1551 had the same Greek text as the third, but is especially noteworthy for its division of the NT books into verses. Lastly, before the KJ Translators* went to work in 1604, was Theodore Beza. He published a total of 12, three of which were available to the translators*, the 3rd, his 1598 they* relied upon the most. Also omitted were numerous English translations in between Tyndale and the Geneva** translations plus a translation that followed**, the Bishop. An English translation recap that omits a late 16th Catholic English translation from the Latin Vulgate 1. Tyndale Bible (1526) by William Tyndale. 2. Coverdale Bible (1535) by Myles Coverdale. 3. Matthew’s Bible (1537) by Thomas Matthew.. 4. Great Bible or Whitchurch Bible (1539) by Myles Coverdale. 5. Taverner’s Bible (1539) by Richard Taverner. 6. Becke’s Bible (1551) by Edmune Becke. 7. Geneva Bible (1560) by William Whittingham. 8. Bishop’s Bible (1568) by Matthew Parker. All available to the translators You down play the significance of the papyri discoveries over the last 130+ years

[@CornerTalker]

Just how long were you expecting an introductory vid to be? 1 hr & 1/2?

[@jonhenning]

It seems to me that the textual criticism of the alexandrian text pointing to writer errors can just be differences between the two.

[@GodsOath_com]

The fact that devils come out of people when they renounce catholic saints, just says it all

[@Proclivitytolife]

The Douay-Rheims version is the most Catholic of English translations and it is not a "descendant" of the "Alexandrian text type". So not quite correct to say that "all Catholic Bibles" are "Alexandrian" text type Bibles.

[@alexapm13]

Thank you for pointing this out

[@brothacarllovesjesus]

Erasmus DID NOT call his text "Textus Receptus" That phrase was coined by printers The Elzevir Brothers Abraham and Bonaventure in 1633 A.D. A full 97 years after Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus died in 1536 A.D.

[@BeADoer2005]

The earlier the manuscript. THE BETTER

[@clickmeforcovidtruth8168]

That's great in theory, but are you aware that there were people who didn't like Jesus? That's obvious, but the devil will do anything to get back at him. How do you know that the manuscripts weren't corrupted by evil people? We don't have the originals.

[@timgeist1450]

1. Some of the greatest corruption of God's Word occurred in the first two centuries A.D. New Testament writers were already warning of this before the NT was complete. 2. Manuscripts most used due to their purity would be those most copied repeatedly, making their witness newer. 3. Governmental and religious ruling authorities had more money for longer lasting manuscript materials. That doesn't make the contents more pure or true - "better." An example would be the animal skin Bibles Constantine (very questionable in his "Christianity") had Eusebius make (influenced by philosopher and Bible doctrine heretic Origen). The materials the common Christians used to copy their Bibles wore out faster. Bottom Line: "Oldest is best" sounds good as a catch phrase, but doesn't hold water.

[@samleitv7657]

base on alexandrian Text . in Codex Sinai. Read the chapter John 1:18.. Juan Said. "Monogenes Theo's" it means "Only Begotten God" in the Byzantine Text all Manuscript s Said "Only begotten Son". that verse at different .. I'm right? in my Country the sec. Church of Christ...they belief that Jesus are only a man ....

[@donew1thita11]

No

[@jamessheffield4173]

Why some have problems with Reasoned eclecticism. I John 5:7 is found in a majority of the Latin, but not the Greek so out it goes. Good will towards men Doxology in Matthew Without cause God manifest in the flesh Are a majority in the Greek but not in the Latin, so out they go The PA and Mark 16:9-20 are a majority in both the Greek and Latin so out they go. Even the “not yet” found in the two of the earliest(P66.P75) in John 7:8 some throw out. If as an orthodox Christian you don't see a problem, what would you see as a problem?

[@CDAinVA]

Curious as to where your getting your information? My understanding is that without using certain patristic writings that the PA is not found or has no prominence in any pre-800’s ad manuscripts. That’s one huge reason not to include that story in that there’s no line of transmission. Any videos or articles that you have I’d love to watch

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@CDAinVA That early Greek manuscripts contained this pericope de adultera is proved by the presence of it in the 5th-century Greek manuscript D. That early Latin manuscripts also contained it is indicated by its actual appearance in the Old Latin codices b and e. And both these conclusions are confirmed by the statement of Jerome (c. 415) that “in the Gospel according to John in many manuscripts, both Greek and Latin, is found the story of the adulterous woman who was accused before the Lord.” (35) There is no reason to question the accuracy of Jerome’s statement, especially since another statement of his concerning an addition made to the ending of Mark has been proved to have been correct by the actual discovery of the additional material in W. And that Jerome personally accepted the pericope de adultera as genuine is shown by the fact that he included it in the Latin Vulgate. purelypresbyterian.com/2016/12/01/defense-of-the-pericope-adulterae/ Also James Snapp,Jr. and my elder son Jonathan Sheffield have videos on You Tube

[@CDAinVA]

@@jamessheffield4173 I’ve watched some of his debates on KZbin regarding this issue! Thank you and I’ll research the link you sent…I seriously started studying this about 2 years ago and I’m muddled somewhere in the middle. I’ve wanted to ask someone this so maybe you can also help: how far back to the 2-4th centuries can the TR position be traced? If I’m understanding Gurry, Wallace and the text criticism camp ( James white as well…) then the TR manuscripts are fairly closer to the 1500’s and generally could not be reproduced in the 2nd-4th centuries…any help would be appreciated.

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@CDAinVA The classic Books on the issue would be The Revision Revised by John William Burgon and his The Last Twelve Verses of Mark, both I believe are on Amazon. A more up to date work is The Identity of the New Testament Text II by Wilbur N. Pickering, ThM PhD www.revisedstandard.net/text/WNP/ Good luck on your studies. Blessings.

[@billyr9162]

If Ciprean us quoting a sentence from 1st john doesn't that mean he at least had a copy of 1st John?

[@blackeyedturtle]

Over 5800 manuscripts is slightly misleading as close to 1000 are simply fragments and not what the average lay person would imagine to be understood as a "manuscript".

[@JoseDCorea]

actually the original Declaration of Independence is lost

[@nolanmattson4313]

What is a Catholic bible?

[@donew1thita11]

Alexandrian

[@Proclivitytolife]

A Catholic Bible would be a Bible published by and for Catholic Christians. They are pretty much all minor revisions of Protestant or Ecumenical scholarship. But thr video maker made a mistake in saying that *all* Catholic Bibles are translations of Alexandriam texts. The Douay-Rheims version, pubsluh3d slightly before the King James, is the most Catholic of English translations and it isn't a translation of "Alexandrian" texts.

[@buddee7282]

Huh? Unical?? Do you mean uncial?

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

Gnosticism was dominant in Alexandria? Isn't that a consideration here?

[@SaneNoMore]

At some points you overstate the affect of the variants. At no point do they concern Christian doctrine. Someone reading ANY of the textual schools will learn the same doctrinal teachings.

[@SaneNoMore]

Meaningful, viable differences are found in less than 1% of the text. Most variants (like when you say 3000 of them in the Gospels) are simple spelling or word order differences and these make zero difference in translations (word order in Greek is not important like in English).

[@troydrury12]

Good presentation, but I believe the word is uncial, not unical. Also, the argument that those of us who believe the majority text believe it because there are more manuscripts is generally not true. Most people I know who trust the majority text, trust it because it was passed down to us by the church; therefore preserved.

[@agape777]

Lecuna matata! 😂

[@betawithbrett7068]

5:50 you are saying this NT Greek dilemma hinges on the possibility that the church has been missing the true text for almost 2000 years. Well consider this, here is a brief on the Christian bible history. *Up until near 400 AD, the worldwide churchs had Greek OT and NT. Sure we can debate what NT Greek they had, but the point is it was Greek. *After 400 AD, Jerome having finished his Latin bible, aka the Latin Vulgate since the Roman empire having defeated the Greek 500 years earlier, the language had finally evolved to be primarily Roman (Latin) in the Western church, so he was asked by Pope Damasus, being his secretary, to translate the Greek bible into Latin. Jerome used the unbelieving Jews' Hebrew text rather than the Greek Septuagint LXX that the church had been using for centuries and most NT quotes in our bibles today, even the KJV bible, match MOST OF THE TIME the Greek OT rather than the Hebrew used in the KJV and all protestant bibles. So to your point at 5:50, that could not have happened since the church had been using EXCLUSIVELY the Latin Vulgate from about 400 to about 1550 AD when William Tyndale completed the first English bible to ever not use the Latin Vulgate (his OT used it a bit though). In truth, he was martyred before a complete English bible could be presented to the people. Coverdale completed the work and his was the first COMPLETE English bible not based on the Latin Vulgate. Wycliff had used the Latin Vulgate (not Greek NT manuscripts) for his English Translation in the 14th century AD.

[@CornerTalker]

Just finished David Daniell's "William Tyndale: A Biography" - pretty good stuff. The Reformation and the Puritans are actually more my interest area. I'll be checking out your channel as a late-in-life Greek student.

[@betawithbrett7068]

@@CornerTalker me too...late in life Greek student to teacher. I began about age 50 in late 2015 but am about to turn 58. ha! Better late than never. Reading the bible in Greek is a rush.. and then reading actual ancient manuscripts, is a double dose. I have a Textus Receptus from the Trinitarian Bible Society that I read too.

[@nicholasdibari9095]

I’m not a king James onlyist even though I only use the KJV but to be honest even if my argument for the king, James is mostly emotional I don’t care. I feel so much more connected to God when I read the KJV compared to the other versions

[@jocep48]

"uncial", not "unical"

[@seanodalaigh]

"unical" - I think you mean "uncial".

[@CornerTalker]

yep - first switched the spelling, then switched the pronunskiation.

[@KingjamesAV1611]

@@CornerTalker .... 🤣 Good humor

[@vincent.mazkett187]

I have doctrinated by an Iglesia ni Cristo member and they didn't know any of these stuff, they are just only do bible quoting.

[@rosspurdy9283]

There is no "Unical" style! It is rather called "Uncial" script.

[@Yahusha-Saves.]

A big no no is Wescott and company were Satanist. In Isa 14:12 they refer to Satan as morning star which is a title giving to Jesus in Rev 22:16. Not to mention they didn't believe in the deity of JESUS.

[@Miroslaw-rs8ip]

While I do like the NASB95 I always refer to the references for the MT alternative reading since it’s usually more accurate, I also use the NKJV quite often.

[@fananox2057]

bible translations stress me out so much, like we can't even translate Anime subs well, how the f can we expect the bible to go from hebrew, to aramaic, to greek, to latin, back to greek, etc etc etc. without getting the slightest bit corrupted???? I pray one day the Lord will just pow, zap the original text into some lucky scribe's hands with a makers mark

[@fananox2057]

(talking about the OT, the NT is just as stressful to me)

[@geneschmidt8308]

the new testament was not written in hebrew or aramaic. the translations begin with greek because they were written in greek. jesus spoke aramaic, but the luke (author of both luke and acts), for example, was fluent in both. this is established in the scholarly field of bible studies.

[@robwagnon6578]

My problem with the Alexandrian is we then would have to say that if they were more correct than God kept the more correct texts hidden for centuries, an idea that insults God. Also with much of the Alexandrian is what is called the 'critical text'. I also hate the idea that seems to imply that by cutting and pasting numerous texts using human ingenuity, science and effort (textual criticism) we can reconstruct a more perfect Bible, so ridiculous! Thus I believe the Byzantine texts are more perfect and show an uncut stone narrative that God preserved his holy scriptures. I believe the reason the Majority Text was clearly put on newer canvas was the older ones were destroyed.

[@makarov138]

If Erasmus and Beza had had the biblical texts in their day that we have now, there would have been tears of joy in their eyes.

[@yahrescues8993]

This may be true, but their text wouldn’t be much different

[@robertcrusader5019]

The Codex Sinaiticus is a forgery by Constantin Simonides created in the 1830s. With that said, this was a very well-done presentation. Thank you

[@G.D.9]

Thankfully the more intelligent and honest TRO and KJO proponents reject this ludicrous lie, which means you're dumber type. Congratulations!

[@Spidey4Christ]

False, any real scholar of antiquity or ancient writings will tell you Codex Sinaiticus is authentic

[@firstnamelastname9262]

Kongebarn has a good video to see. It's Proof that the textus receptus & traditional text preceeds the critical text.

[@isaacdominguez474]

😂

[@jsko82]

Is there any scientific research that chemically or physically proves Codex Sinaiticus to be older than 700 years?

[@rosspurdy9283]

There is no such thing as an Alexandrian text, let alone pure Alexandrian. Western, Cesarean, and Alexandrian are no longer called text types because they simply do not have enough agreement nor consistency among themselves. They will call them families only because they are loosely related at best. The Byzantine is the only recognized texttype anymore (not because it is seen as the best but rather because it is the only group that actually qualifies).

[@wanderer3362]

Quite insane some people think alexandrian texts are better just because they are older...

[@joannezhu2604]

Not missing, they were added. Please do your research first. Do not lead people astray.

[@johndisalvo6283]

NOT ADDED, they were MISSING! Do your own research!! You lead people astray!!!

[@iamhisservant5787]

1john 5:7 was qouted by the early church fathers back 200ad and they the arians removed that verse because it proves the diety of Christ. Gets?

[@johndisalvo6283]

@@iamhisservant5787 Thank you! The devil HATES the King James with a passion! Same as the RAPTURE! God bless👍👍

[@KingjamesAV1611]

@@johndisalvo6283 Amen!!

[@hiramserna5035]

you are the only decieving. Many texts in those Alexandrian manuscripts have something against the deity of Christ, wonder who wrote them? oh yeah, those that did not agree with his diety, makes sense