NEW V10 Engine With A €45,000 Crank | Rodin RC.TEN

[@hpa101]

What's your favourite V10 in terms of sound? - Taz. 👨‍🔧 Building a fast car? Get $400 OFF the all-inclusive VIP online course package deal:: hpcdmy.co/rodinv10 ✊50% OFF your first online engine building course. Enrol now: hpcdmy.co/rw3 TIME STAMPS: 0:00 - V10 V12 Nostalgia 0:20 - Mike Gartrell: Rodin Cars 0:30 - Why Design A New V10? 1:07 - What Did It Take? 1:58 - Neil Brown Engineering 2:17 - Design Process Simplification 2:30 - Engine Specs 3:05 - Volumetric Efficiency 4:10 - RPM Multiplier 4:28 - In House Machining 5:04 - Why? (Scale) 5:59 - 3D Printing & Casting 6:42 - What Is Vacuum Casting 7:12 - Why Cast Vs CNC Vs 3D Printing 7:48 - Initial Testing 8:26 - Sentura Packaging Restrictions 8:44 - Twin Turbo Plans 9:48 - Steel Lined Bore 10:17 - What Is Nikasil? 10:57 - Direct Injection 11:29 - Bosch Fuel System 12:06 - www.rodincars.com 12:10 - LOUD NOISES 12:50 - BUILD.TUNE.DRIVE

[@griffinfaulkner3514]

Favorite V10, in terms of sound? The Judd V10 in Ryan Tuerk's Formula Supra. As far as I know it's the only one of those engines with an X-pipe in the exhaust system, and nothing else sounds quite like it.

[@hpa101]

@griffinfaulkner3514 solid choice! That car on the whole is immaculate - Taz.

[@huyaha]

@@griffinfaulkner3514 the judd v8 in the bmw Hillclimb car is also absolutely incredible f1 sounding scream, chills everytime i hear it

[@ATomRileyA]

Always a good thing when a new NA V10 is made :) Would sound amazing.

[@mchristr]

So impressed by what Rodin has done with this design. John Britten would be proud.

[@ecorp2120]

Awesome showcase! HPA and a bespoke engine deep dive?! Instant click

[@reallybig4868]

I always love these videos when you have such a knowledgeable interviewer presenting distillation in real time

[@berksonfab]

Building an engine from scratch is such a huge achievement!!! Sounds awesome.

[@thisisben3593]

GO THE MIGHTY KIWIS!!! As a fellow kiwi, it's awesome to see stuff like this coming out of our mighty country

[@stuartcarter5414]

Pankl was making engine parts for the Audi works rally cars way back Along with the Lehman style manifold and all sorts of frictional coatings by Balzers in Litchenstien We think we’re pretty smart here in NZ Go to Europe and the depth of knowledge there is amazing

[@hpa101]

The UK is really where it's at for a crazy amount of knowledge within a relatively small geographical footprint, from F1 down. Of course there are always some outliers too 😎 - Taz.

[@XBullitt16X]

The V10s are the best sounding engines of all time, nothing sounds better than a high rev V10.

[@Built_it_by-alex]

That V.E from an N/A is impressive

[@alexsaam2696]

15:1 compression ratio. God dam. And 12k rpm. I bet she screams

[@exvils]

15:1 is standard i would say.. many hillclimb cars here are running 14-15:1, tho that is static CR and with big cams what you want to know is dynamic CR

[@gothicpagan.666]

Never forget the history you guys have down the road in Aus. Repco for a time, several sunsets ago were the engine supplier of choice, if you wanted to be competitive in Grand Prix, before that Duckworth turned up and made it very difficult. Great no bull interview, we can only wish them the best of luck with this very exiting project. What's the bets they end up with 12cyliders @ 4ltrs displacement😉

[@MasterChief37]

Repco only supplied Brabham, they didn't supply any other F1 teams. .

[@gothicpagan.666]

@@MasterChief37 Brabham was the only team that won a world championship with a Repco. Walter hassen of Coventry climax is reputed to have advised their clients to buy a Repco after the Coventry's succession from race engine manufacture at the time of the 3Ltr limit. The best they could do was a stretched FPF to 2.7 Ltrs of 4 cyls As a result many smaller teams using proprietary chassis fitted a Repco Marcos also used a one in the 1968 XP sports racer for Spa. It failed to finish because the alternator driven off the back of the box was soaked resulting in a failure to proceed. That's motor sport for you😔

[@MasterChief37]

@@gothicpagan.666 they didn’t supply other teams only Brabham. Brabham sold customer cars to other teams who raced them, these cars came with Repco engines. Only Brabham chassis used Repco engines in F1. It was rather quickly eclipsed Cosworth DFV.

[@gothicpagan.666]

@@MasterChief37 Paul Emery borrowed one to replace the early Martin engine that didn't work in his Emerson. One of the Italian counts used one to replace a broken Maser engine he used in the back of a Cooper, another had one in a F2 Cooper chassis when the V6 Ferrari engine failed. There were many f2 chassis fitted with bigger units just to get an entry in an event that payed much better. My dear old dad made a reasonable living from playing with toys

[@philiproyds]

Waited for the ECU mention 👍🏻. Excellent video as always.

[@TheAnonymous1one]

Props to these guys taking a chance on this.

[@vidzofivi]

Thank you HPA for delivering KZbin's best content on racing tech for years on end! :)

[@hpa101]

Appreciate the support mate! Hopefully we'll be able to keep it up for years to come 🤘 - Taz.

[@robertfontaine3650]

Amazing seeing an engine of this level being manufactured from the bolts and castings. I hope this is successful. The twin turbo will be surreal.

[@SunsetAlgorithm]

Better know your craft before you talk to this interviewer, really knows his stuff. Man, in the media there's some real blockheads yammering on, but this was very informative and asked great questions.

[@hpa101]

Cheers mate, appreciate the support!

[@spdcrzy]

Having a design envelope of 110% VE and only being at 90% is WILD. That's exactly the kind of thing that would make a thousand horsepower STREETABLE N/A LS possible.

[@AmgAmg-yy8sy]

Great job Keep it up From Argentina...

[@ChrisOstreicher]

Fantastic, as usual. Could you get someone from PANKL on your podcast for an interview to talk about piston and con rod design perhaps?

[@hpa101]

We'd love to. Do you have any connections there/someone specific in mind? - Taz.

[@ChrisOstreicher]

@@hpa101 Unfortunately, I do not. Perhaps they are represented at one of the big trade shows? But that would likely be in Europe given that they are based in Austria. That makes it unlikely that your paths are going to cross I suppose.

[@hpa101]

@@ChrisOstreicher maybe someone will pop up next time we make it to Goodwood if we don't have any luck before then 😎 - Taz.

[@olliebrown89]

You've got to respect Rodin. Not easy to do in Europe or USA, let alone in New Zealand.

[@mariusfridlund55]

v10😍

[@Penguinracer]

David Dicker is building a world class operation in north Canterbury.

[@malcolmmoy]

Astonishing cost of investment.

[@hpa101]

Will be interesting to see how it all pans out price wise production wise, although selling them separately will be second to supplying them for their own vehicles I'm sure 🤘- Taz.

[@MasterChief37]

@@hpa101 What I would love to know is how many vehicle have been sold?

[@hpa101]

@MasterChief37 as in 'pre-sold'? The best people to ask would be the people selling them 😉 - Taz.

[@phillyphil1513]

cool, saw and spoke to these guys briefly back at PRI 2023. somehow i missed that they were Kiwis (although i'm not surprised in the least that they ARE Kiwis). 🤙

[@HigginsHobbies]

I always love new information. Thank you

[@tobysemler]

Top interview!

[@harelrahman9722]

ahh now i know why this car sound so crisp, the engine use Di instead port inj and using singel throttle body, what a piece of car... love it!

[@findyto]

A Sintura, what a fucking legend. 👀👀

[@ridingdriving]

that sound though

[@jbm3458]

it was a awesome car to watch at World Time Attack "That engine sound wow!" very fast very cool

[@josephpsmithe]

Long live the v10

[@xoxo98808]

Great questions as usual guys! Thanks for sharing!

[@lorddoobsworth144]

That hair is cool man, I could only dream of having it!

[@malcolmmoy]

And it sounds wonderful.

[@mej6519]

looks like a baby group c car. love it.

[@jubu3136]

Hewlett p Bmw v10 is the best sounding I reckon

[@Spectrolite1]

Love it! 🦾

[@gabrielbarcellos1036]

Vão fazer apenas carros de corrida ou pensam em lançar versões de rua? Com esse V10 aspirado girando 12 mil magnífico

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

Everyone with an RX7 needing its 10th set of new apex seals right now… 🥵

[@pudermcgavin4462]

Well just add oil to the fuel, and don't let them sit!

[@m.b.82]

Bah, I had rotaries for 20 years and never had apex seal issues. That was just a consumer issue for ppl that don't change their oil

[@tonyadams6181]

You OBVIOUSLY have NO IDEA what YOU are talking about, when talking about Apex seals.

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

Meanwhile, my friends peripheral port 13b that was built TWENTY FIVE YEARS ago is still alive and kicking. Yes, it still sees 9-10,000 rpm. No, it doesn't need tons of premix. It's not 1998 anymore, technology caught up.

[@KK001]

@@m.b.82 rotaries are rare where i live but every single one ive seen for sale had either blown engines or had already been rebuild even bellow 100k km. Cant tell me a rotary is reliable even if you maintain them, they surely cannot last anywhere near as long as a piston engine.

[@gordythecreator]

80 (wutever) Bore by 60 (wutever) Stroke ? Awesome Choice aka Anti-stroker is better than stroker will always be my lane.

[@Lnmoto86]

Volumetric efficiency is theoretical mass x actual mass. Theoretically mass is the mass of air that would fill the same volume as the cylinder displaces. Having 110% is news to me. I’m assuming it’s a ram air design of some sort

[@Shadowboost]

Ran air. All these formula type engines make that

[@TheMotorcycleForge]

Awesome to hear more kiwi's building crazy fast projects like this! Keep em coming.

[@pafsrh4744]

fuk yeah ma boia, home grown kiwi talent i wanna see this project scale world wide and into world production, make this happen

[@knickebien1966]

I am amazed by what is happening in NZ motor sport!

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

Considering their logo, which is clearly The Thinker by the artist Rodin, it should actually be pronounced Rodan. Like the giant pterodactyl monster from Godzilla. Which is much better.

[@kledomuc1713]

Great car. I'd like to know what fuel they use. Cossworth GMA 4.0 is a V12 street engine with 650BHP, it would be sure very interesting to see the comparison. Great video, thanks.

[@Shadowboost]

This is a race engine. T.50s engine makes 770 hp and is essentially the same weight

[@kledomuc1713]

@@Shadowboost The T.50 engine is the GMA engine. It makes a little bit over 650bhp. It has a bigger brother for the Aston Martin hypercar, a 6,5l V12 with 1000bhp, a little bit over 200kg.

[@Shadowboost]

@@kledomuc1713 the T.50s is the track version of the T.50. It has a modified engine with no variable valve timing, no emissions devices, and 12 ITBs. It makes 770 hp and weighs 166 kg. It is DIFFERENT than the road car engine

[@kledomuc1713]

@@Shadowboost Thanks. Heard of the track version but didn't know it has such a significant power, I love this engine even more than.

[@TommyPickIes]

Very cool

[@thisisben3593]

Also sorry, it hurts to say but the Judd sounds better

[@hpa101]

That's OK to say, we all have our own preferences 🤘 Hope you enjoyed WTAC assuming you were lucky enough to hear this in person there 😎 - Taz.

[@DavidBainGaming]

Give em a taste of Kiwi

[@El_Chompo]

there was no better sound than those 19k rpm V10s. Can somebody help me understand the benefit of the V10 over the V12 in F1? I remember hearing that the V12 outright makes more power, but that the V10 has a better balance of weight and fuel economy. Is that all there is to it? Also, imo, they should take those modern literbikes with the most advanced consumer level engines in the world, and just scale that same tech up to v10s. Mmmmm that would be nice!

[@hpa101]

I think reliability at high RPM was a factor too, but the capacity rules changing according to many put the V10 in a sweet spot compared to the V8 or V12 options on the table at the time. There are tons of articles and videos on the V12s, but ultimately the V10s came out on top with the Ferrari V12 of the 90's failing to gain any driver or constructors winners trophies. Crazy how many DNF's they all had back then compared to today - Taz.

[@El_Chompo]

@@hpa101 Ahhh reliability. Thank you so much. Maybe the less moving parts and also relatively larger engine parts helped with the reliability.

[@Shadowboost]

​@@El_Chompo it was mostly weight and fuel economy. Reliability was not bad with the V12s since the engines were better balanced than the V10/V8s

[@jdoe9518]

So just want to make sure I'm understanding their engine development. It makes 720hp, well only 500, but 220 or just under 1/3 more power is totally easy to find. ITB's for the win! 12,000 rpm 15:1 compression Current cams are to suit turbo application, which in no way would support 12,000rpm or 15:1 C/R. Current inlet manifold is single throttle body designed to support 1000Hp + however is currently a restriction And direct injection because super lean burn is the way forward. That interview did more harm than good.

[@Shadowboost]

Yeah, it's a bunch of targets. Meanwhile GMA has actually demonstrated 770 hp

[@jdoe9518]

@@Shadowboost It's not targets it' straight up nonsense. Why are turbo cam profiles different? Because you don't want boost going straight out the exhaust so there is generally no overlap. Why 15:1 compression ratio? because high rpm N/A engines have low dynamic compression due to the large cam overlap required to exceed 100% VE and reach high rpm. So to claim to be running that combination is an admission of a) not understanding how engines work b) not knowing what the actual combination is c) making excuses for the lack of performance in a nonsensical way. As for the 1000hp + manifold it will allow 1000hp+ N/A or boosted, unless entirely too small requiring high boost pressure to overcome lack of area which is extremely inefficient. Direct injection isn't even the most efficient method of combustion. Pre-chamber ignition is. So if you were clean sheet designing an engine why not go with what is best?

[@jubu3136]

How did it compare to the TS010 lap time?

[@hpa101]

No way to know. The TS010 lap times were never published - Taz.

[@GetUpFalcon]

Oh no you too! When did 'route' become "rout?" Do we no longer spell it with an e on the end??

[@hpa101]

When? Since the beginning of time. Welcome to the English language, it's 100+ dialects and constant evolution 😂 - Taz. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZPOe4GpqcainZo

[@iceeice1234]

5:51 More than you can afford pal. :P.

[@hpa101]

haha yeah it can be a bit like that! - Taz.

[@thomaslawry5238]

Cosworth has been using "vacuum casting" for decades....

[@Shadowboost]

GMA T.50s is at 770 hp at 6 kg heavier, and I'm guessing more reliable. That includes the ISG as well

[@hpa101]

Yeah that's a nice V12. Guess you'd hope the 2 extra cylinders would be worth the effort compared to a V10 in some way eh. Without data, all you have is an opinion regarding the reliability guesswork, I guess 😅 We'll know how this pans out with time, same for that Cosworth GMA V12. When I say 'we', I'm sure you're in the same boat as me and will just learn from others experience really with no actual skin in the game to worry about 😂 - Taz.

[@Shadowboost]

@@hpa101 yeah, it's my guess purely from the fact that the T.50s engine is a V12 (superior balance to a V10 naturally) and that it's a semi stressed design rather than fully stressed

[@JustinMiales]

It looks like something I don't need

[@hpa101]

Almost everything you own you don't 'need' ti be fair - Taz.

[@TheStefman08]

How are they supposed to be running 110% VE on a NA engine? And wtf is this guy talking about, the casting method increasing the density of the material? Honestly, this guy seems clueless. Bad image for the company

[@Dave-but-why]

Cool story bro

[@filepz629]

🔊👂🫂❤️‍🔥

[@0o-0o694]

There is a video about someone adding s custome build v10 into a masta miata. Honestly its a waste of time. Why inest the time to develop an engine thats as powerful as a stock miata? Aaaaaaand it doesnt work bc its poorly engineered. Overheats so bad it would weld itself shut if you run it. What a waste of time money and hype.

[@hpa101]

It wasn't your time or money, and I bet they had a ton of fun doing it and learnt more than they would have sitting on the couch. Some people prefer the build to the drive, and while not every project 'makes sense' a lot of industry giants also can look back and see some things that seem a little silly with hindsight, yet those experiences and lessons (good or bad) also shaped them into the successful people they are today. That's just life 😎 - Taz. www.hpa-tunedin.com/

[@obsidian....]

Judd...

[@hpa101]

We have you covered there too 🤘 - Taz. www.hpacademy.com/blog/youll-never-guess-this-connection-11000-rpm-v10-supra-vs-ford-explorer www.hpacademy.com/blog/019-tuning-ryan-tuercks-screaming-v10-podcast/ www.hpacademy.com/blog/104-drifting-with-an-11000rpm-v10-not-as-good-as-youd-think-podcast/ www.hpacademy.com/blog/560hp-and-11200-rpm-georg-plasa-judd-v8-powered-bmw-e36-tech-tour/

[@Decki777]

With good twin screw Supercharger this engine will make over 1500hp Turbos are not good because of their lag Twin screw superchargers are very efficient now days .

[@hpa101]

Technology has come a long way when it comes to turbo technology, boost control and turbo lag 🤘 - Taz.

[@reallybig4868]

@@Decki777 three turbo compound set up with boost controllers at the cylinder to maintain max boost across rpm. Think anti lag

[@fullsendmarinedarwin7244]

Why not both 😎

[@nezabytes]

​@@reallybig4868 Just rode in a Goblin kit car with a twin charged chevy cobalt engine and the lag and boost threshold were non existent. It was absolutely wonderful. The turbo was a 600hp turbo, btw!

[@jamesgeorge4874]

It's 2024, buddy. GM builds a 2.7 L 4 cylinder, that makes 420 Lb/ft of torque at *1500 RPM* , IT'S SPOOLED BY 2000, WHAT LAG ?!?!!

[@theyrealltaken3]

Yes, I know. I failed life. Beautiful piece of engineering.