New Warbond Is NOT Trash... Helldivers 2 Polar Patriots META | Built in Combo Tips and Tricks

The pummeler is one of the best primary weapons in the game. Not the best AH devs, but it's up there. And we got an amazing new grenade, as well as pistol that's very powerful. As well as a combo baked into the warbond itself that works with two of the weapons. I think I know why people are calling this warbond trash, but it's just not. #helldivers2
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00:00 PP Warbond Good
00:47 Pummeler Tips and Tricks
02:18 Charger kill with Pummeler
03:27 Built in fire combo
04:08 How it works against Bots
05:05 Full bug breach no damage
05:39 Verdict Pistol
06:50 Why people are calling this warbond bad
06:56 Tenderizer
08:13 Purifier (combos with fire nades too)

[@thiccfila]

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[@yourtexthere1323]

Trash ass video lol

[@siniksom926]

9:45 "Defender is only smg in a game" Me with stupid paywall smg: I agree.

[@markd9318]

Ive only seen one person ever use it. They died so i picked it up. I see why no one uses it

[@steeljawX]

I'd argue back in the day, the HMG was the second best SMG in terms of having the second highest fire rate and damage. 😆

[@steeljawX]

@@markd9318 Not gonna lie, I think that should be done a bit more. Just a kind of "I'm diving with the new warbond. If you want to try the new weapons you can take my old ones if I die because I'm not diving seriously." few teams going on so we get more accurate previews instead of everyone jumping into the deep end of the pool only to realize far too late that the pool is empty.

[@raven75257]

People underappreciate the knight. That thing is amazing in burst

[@ultimategrungo]

One of the ballistic shield’s main weaknesses is rockets, and the pummeler’s stun gives you a way to defend yourself against rocket enemies at range. I love it.

[@974cerebrate]

Wait you can shoot the rockets ?

[@SplitFinn]

@@974cerebrate Nah but you can stun lock Rocket Devastators.

[@DutchGuyMike]

Yeah that really works if there's just one or two firing at you. Are you playing at low difficulties?

[@arypramana6154]

​@@DutchGuyMike If you're standing out in the open and constantly getting dicked by 7 seperate RDs then you shouldn't be playing on higher diff anyway.

[@Crispy77760]

@@DutchGuyMike i played on 7 and i used the that very combo and it does very well to anything that doesnt use rockets or cannons. now i have friends and we have atleast 2 that deal with heavy weapons sets to be ready for the factory striders and i would deal with the heavy devs and i had a quasar cannon to handle hulks or tanks my role is to keep heavy devs and trash mobs focused on me as my team would take them out with little danger. thats what i did and it worked great. solo i dont know as i dont find the game fun solo.

[@Nada-mm2nk]

This feels more like.. lowering our standards by not saying this warbond isn't bad.

[@thiccfila]

one of the best primarys in the game, best mobbing grenade, very solid sidearm. compare this to all the other warbonds on launch steeled - all 3 guns that are good were buffed after launch cutting edge - only sickle and stuns were good democratic detonation - only eruptor and grenade pistol was good this is literally on par compared to launch of last ones. and we're prob getting some buffs on purifier at least

[@ZheH4ribo]

@@thiccfila it doesnt mean its good

[@thatguy5143]

@@thiccfila yeah but this new one also comes with 2 downgrades, the assault rife (better movent just to do less in everything else), and the laser gun just being too weak. The thing is this warbonds weapons are comparable to other weapons and falls short (except for the smg and grenade), u can say the older ones had "bad" weapons too but they were unique and different at the time.

[@ChimpOnComputer]

It was literally false advertising with the warbond trailer.

[@FuNFuri]

​@ZheH4ribo but it is. There is an indefinite amount of warbonds which means more toys that we get, the more we have, the better, even if they are all side grades

[@Vuvuzelas4life]

$10 for fallout 76 is still way too much money

[@thiccfila]

lol

[@HexxuSz]

Based

[@Xaxxus]

fallout 76 is actually great now. At least if you only do the storyline and ignore the repetitive grind content that is the end game.

[@CL3VA]

Considering you can easily get 100 hours out of it, id say its a great deal

[@AC-hj9tv]

🤔 ​@@Xaxxus

[@gringadoor5385]

It's only 90% trash. Bar of expectation lowered

[@Underworlddream]

Balance Dev: Not Trash? I guess we got to nerf this Warbond.

[@davidweaver4436]

The fact that I'm seeing this type of comment in basically every discussion about this game says a lot...

[@erichthegraham]

​@@davidweaver4436yeah, about how ignorant the majority of the player base is. We get a balanced warbond and everybody complains that it's garbage, we get necessary nerfs to OP nonsense and people cry that they're taking the fun out of the game. News flash the game is more fun when not everybody is a meta hound running the same build every game. Try thinking for yourselves and coming up with your own combos.

[@kingvejita8827]

@@erichthegraham trash

[@erichthegraham]

@@kingvejita8827 wow, how totally convincing. You totally aren't part of the problem. Go back to playing valorant or whatever Toxic community you come from, we're spreading freedom over here not meta.

[@joyless95]

@@erichthegrahamgrenade that lasts a fraction of the time of the previous fire nade, gun that’s worse than the starting weapon or at best equal, middle ground pistol (I have no problems with it) and a very decent smg oh I forgot the plasma weapon that’s straight up worse than the other two plasma weapons by a mile lmao

[@Mr_ViPR]

I think the Purifier’s bolts should actually scale with how long the charge was held. Requiring a full charge blatantly goes against what was previously told to us.

[@nickquang1996]

That would be a good way to make the weapon unique. Either make a powerful one shot explosion at full charge, or you can tap and shoot it like a semiauto rifle and it deals normal AR dmg.

[@DEGENERATE_MELON]

I agree but I'd add to that. Make a standard no-charge shot do the same damage if not just a little bit less than the P.Punisher, however a charged shot should do double the damage of a standard shot. They could also add a longer range scope to make this the other tier of plasma guns. P.Punisher is close to med with a decent RoF, Purifier is med to long range with slow RoF, Scorcher is the all rounder.

[@Red-iu6wu]

@@DEGENERATE_MELON no offence but you're kinda bad at balance. if i can shoot the gun without charging and it does the same damage as the other plasma guns id just never use the other plasma guns as they become pointless. like why would i ever use one gun when the other gun is the same as the first but with much more added? even with a big scope i could still use it at all ranges because of how the game works with the third person aiming id just never have any reason to give up ability to charge and a big scope for slight fire rate, and it would need to be only slight because if its too slow then you would never shoot it normally and really at that point you might as well not even have it.

[@Ouch193]

So like a baby explosive primary railgun? Sounds sick tbh

[@Red-iu6wu]

@@TravisStockton fair point

[@elfireii328]

damn. Now that you showed the pumeler killing a charger in half a mag, im almost certain the devs are gonna nerf it into the ground.

[@FireStorm4056]

It's a dark day indeed if 2 gameplay items being decent (out of 9 items total) makes this warbond "not bad"

[@Jman0163]

i mean, isnt it the same with democratic detonation (on launch) and cutting edge (still)?

[@DroosterH]

To be fair, they said at launch that they didn't want the game to be pay to win. Warbonds are supposed to just be fun stuff you can spend medals on without breaking the game for those who don't have enough credits. I've been diligent with my credits and have all Warbonds and still have 3000 credits left over. And I've only bought the base game. The only aspect of the game I don't touch is the armour store as I immediately saw that as a waste of credits.

[@FireStorm4056]

@@DroosterH It’s hard for new stuff to be fun when 7 of 9 items are either total junk or straight clones of things we already have

[@jeraigumo]

The problem is the dev team want the weapons to all be equal in effectiveness but different. When something is different but not a direct upgrade the community isn't happy since the warbond is premium and you need to farm a bit for medals to unlock stuff. IMO the devs need to work on a way to incentivize players to unlock new stuff because atm it feels a bit pointless. Why spend either real money or a bunch of time farming SC to unlock stuff that isn't any better than what we already have.

[@275dpr]

Yeah I haven't unlocked the last 2 warbonds. Saving me SC. No interest at all for me.

[@kennethsalmeronrodriguez978]

Fr man and it wouldn't be even close to a p2w paywall since everybody can farm 1k SC in Les than a week in lvl 1 missions. They have no excuse about being afraid to introduce "strong/op" guns.

[@yukioacumora4430]

Yeah because the devs want side grades and don't want to invalidate older options. Yall just want power creep and that's sad lol.

[@brennanpilcher4374]

​@@275dpr the grenade pistol from Democratic Detonation is actually excellent for one-shotting bug holes and small / medium enemies

[@kriegjaeger]

There are no direct upgrades by design desicion, but more tools to do the job. more tools means more combinations means some potentially really cool ones like the greade pistol and eruptor freeing up grenades and stratigems. What most people REALLY want I think is more support weapons. Support weapons are the powerful ones, primaries will always struggle its the support weps that make you feel powerful. The problem is we haven't gotten nearly as many support weapons as we have primaries. We got the cluster (ok) and the HMG (bad). The SPEAR is still broken, the tesla gun had a niche until they buffed hulks, now it's also kinda bad.

[@Xhaleon]

Arrowhead set the expectations themselves, its not the playerbase to blame for that. Tenderizer is advertised with wording that makes it sound like its on the heavier end of assault rifles, sharing space with the Adjudicator, then turns out its barely a Liberator sidegrade. The Purifier is advertised as a very slow firing weapon (and it is) so you'd expect it to be an "extremist specialty" weapon like the old Eruptor in terms of damage output (well okay its not that slow), but its just not enough compared to its existing competitors.

[@mcarpen89]

The latest patch notes list the Tenderizer's damage output as a known issue. No need to harp on this, it's already planned to be changed

[@DarthWamp]

Hot Take: The Verdict (as released), despite it's description, is NOT a Desert Eagle. It's damage, light armor penetration, and most of all it's magazine size point more towards a .45 ACP 1911 style handgun, instead of a .50 AE Desert Eagle. The relatively slow muzzle velocity and heavy round that is the .45 ACP will not punch through armor, but will hit hard.

[@djtrac3r935]

I guess its a little misleading when the weapon design is very similar in design to the desert eagle

[@DarthWamp]

@@djtrac3r935 Indeed. Especially the description that it says it's using the highest caliber centerfire pistol round... Sadly in this Warbond descriptions, and/or in the case of armor, looks, don't seem to match the effects in game. 😒

[@williammwal]

Like a lot of your commenters I disagree with you, and here's why. Yes there were 2 good weapons and the grenade. However, the warbond is FAR more than just it's weapons. The new armor were ENTIRELY disappointing. There is nothing in there that we don't have already. They had such an opportunity to make it cool and be slightly better on icy planets, and set up a new precedent of adding new armor sets that actually differ from what initially came out months ago. The booster Motivational shocks is inconsistent. Sometimes it works like a charm and you can shrug off the slow effect, most of the times it doesn't seem to work at all. The victory poses are eh, people have been asking for new emotes since the 2nd warbond I think. As for the guns, we got 1 good weapon (smg), 1 solid handgun, a decent grenade, another awful AR that even with its amazing handling it struggles to deal with medium enemies (warriors/devastators etc.) it's a slightly worse liberator and the liberator doesn't get used very much, and an energy weapon that can only kill one light enemy at a time, takes 4+ shots to deal with medium enemies and can't kill elites/large enemies. That's my opinion, you're covering only a small portion of the warbond in this video and call it "all".

[@thiccfila]

which warbond has exclusive armor besides the arc armor in cutting edge? literally all armor has been disappointing. which warbond has good boosters in it that are good? most youtube videos talk about why all the weapons are bad.

[@ceddysaid3432]

Its like comparing shit to vomit. Doesn't make one good because the other is worse or on par

[@thewitchidolsachika6682]

​@@thiccfila Don't know, but less patrol spawn with the cutting edge booster is super handy especially in these dire times when they spawn every 20 seconds if you dare to complete the main objective.

[@DefaultProphet]

It has blue armor tho

[@ceballos-exe]

​​@@thiccfilamy problem too is the branding: Polar patriots Nothing about this warbond feels "polar" Steel veterans have servo assisted armors as well as an incendiary breaker and the senator Cutting edge is all about electricity and energy Democratic detonation is about explosives Polar patriots is about...reskins The armors don't give boosts against ice, the weapons have nothing to do with cold, the grenade is incendiary, the complete opposite to cold. And on top of that, the premium weapons are almost all worse than their free, sometimes starting, counterparts. All of my friends that have bought the warbond have said that it's ok at BEST, and an absolute waste of credits on average. This ain't a great look nor incentive for anyone

[@TheDapperSaint]

This is definitely not taking everything into consideration and feels like youre just lowering standards to be blunt - Steeled Veterans was themed around Servo Assisted, had armors that matched this aesthetic, and most weapons consisted of modified equipment in some sort of shape or form along with the dominator. The weapons weren't good on release sure, but at least the warbond was consistent with itself. - Cutting Edge has armors and passives consistent with the warbond, and most involved advance laser weaponry that made sense for the warbond. Sickle was awesome on release, and plasma Punisher was a sleeper weapon. Ultimately, the warbond made sense. - Demolitions involved armors that didn't have new passives, but for the most part involved things like more grenades and explosive resistance. In introduced some new explosive weaponry, and some bulkier firepower. Grenade pistol and eruptor were crazy strong, and the only major let down was the adjudicator which is partially due to them not knowing how to balance dmrs (it was considered one at the time) - Polar Patriot is just straight up garbage in comparison. No new passives, and to add insult to injury, two out of the three armors are almost identical with the only difference being the shoulders. Yes steeled veterans had two similar armors, but there is a much more notable difference between the two. The biggest issue isn't even the weapons being good or bad. Previously, I said how most warbonds had good and bad weapons on release, but at least for the other three the theme made sense. If you took out the two identical snow armors, this warbond wouldn't even have a single thing that's thematic. Its not about how powerful the gear is, its about quality control which wasn't a thing for this warbond.

[@thiccfila]

servo armor isnt unique to steeled vets, and i gave my thoughts that some of the advertising led to different expectations to what came out, so i agree with you. im just saying the power level of stuff in the warbond is not exactly bad, and actually on par for everything else we've received.

[@yukioacumora4430]

This warbond is focused on filling specialized niches. The smg is great at crowd control, the AR is better than thr liberator with more reliable damage at range when going full auto or esocially burst, and thr deagle fills specific builds where thr peace keeper doesn't work, and the Senator is too clunky or punishing to use. The entire warbond is about niche filling. Not to.mention every weapon this warbond has a lot of reserve mags for some reason so it feels likemim constantly dishing out damage with these and not worrying about my reserves quite as much.

[@kriegjaeger]

I agree with Thic on the weapons but I like your points regarding the presentation. I'd only add the weapons aren't extreme or "out there" aside from the purifier which was even demonstrated as taking down scout walkers but now can't.

[@RogerNbr]

yea this warbond is just subpar no need to try and be nice, just mid af

[@erichthegraham]

@@RogerNbr exactly, this warbond is balanced instead of being obvious power creep.

[@Earthboundmike]

It's bad. That's why people are calling it bad. If you literally just look at the guns, it's already pretty shit. Then you look at everything else? I mean, the armor? The helmets that still don't do anything? The first warbond I use the shot gun, the dominator, I've used the side arm. The grenade is great too. New warbond? I might use the SMG if you know, I decide I'm not using the aforementioned stuff. The other guns? do we need to go over that again? I dunno why I'd take the side arm over the grenade pistol either really. TLDR - The warbonds aren't adding 1/5 of a games value to it. Sure you can farm super credits, but that's not the point. Also am I crazy but why is his 9 helldive only got 2 verify ore locations? Shouldn't it be 3?

[@thewitchidolsachika6682]

You verify ores 2 times and then collect the ores on the main objective on helldive. There are no 3 stations for verification.

[@morgan3392]

You describing the warbond as "fine" and saying it has two underwhelming weapons in the same sentence feels... bad. The pummeler feels good and satisfying, but the Eruptor felt fantastic (RIP). The Sickle and Stun grenade feel great, and the Blitzer feels really good now. The difference is those all felt unique and like new ways to play the game. The Pummeler, as good as it is, is hardly different from the concussive Liberator. The Purifier is a disappointing cousin to the Plasma Punisher. The Verdict is a pocket Diligence. The Tenderizer is just an altered Liberator. And the incindiary impact is just... An incindiary impact. As "fine" as it is compared to the other warbonds, those warbonds should have been more consistent, too. The explosive crossbow, as much as it caters to a niche stealth gameplay, shouldn't feel so underpowered. The smoke grenade should be more consistent. The Tenderizer should have some reason to be picked. The Purifier should have some reason to be picked, too. They should be better.

[@thiccfila]

it works significantly different from concussive liberator, lib pushes enemies back, this one stuns them in place

[@ceddysaid3432]

Is that really significantly different tho. Both keep bugs from getting to you in slightly different ways

[@kingvejita8827]

@@ceddysaid3432 trash

[@donalddouds6033]

@@ceddysaid3432pushing a rocket devastator back still allows it to shoot its rockets. The pummeler keeps it from shooting so it is 100% completely different

[@juliansouto947]

​@@thiccfilawhich is still far less effective then just killing it which so many other weapons

[@dynomight3855]

OhDough did a much better review of this warbond, and I would agree with him that it's bad. Overall, he didn't sugarcoat or down play it just blunt honesty.

[@MrSierra116]

Its not the worst warbond to date, but it offers nothing new and not worth 1k SC A Liberator reskin, a Defender/Lib concussion reskin, impact version of incendiary, a Scorcher with dementia and a middle between Senator and Peacemaker (not even stellar performance, just usable)

[@thiccfila]

dont sleep on the pummeler and fire impacts

[@yukioacumora4430]

I dunno if I'd call a weapon with a stun affect a reading but I guess people really are fishing for reasons to be mad at this point huh.

[@kriegjaeger]

Yeah the problem is previous warbonds introduced new weapons with new capabilities or particular extremes while Polar is kind of a rehash of existing weapons. sidegrades and the sort. It's not bad, but it's obviously not as exciting as weapons that are entirely new in function or extremes of function.

[@rhetro777]

@@kriegjaeger It just looks like a bunch of stuff I'll never use tbh, aside from the victory poses.

[@Redguns4life]

People really don't see the value of a gun that can not only stunlock anything that isn't heavily armored, but can be fired on the move while not impairing your movement. You can basically do donuts around hunter packs with this thing.

[@DacianGradaMusic]

I never thought this warbond to be bad, but we've been accustomed to such mid releases that it's tough to even rank some new stuff. You can keep expecting insanely OP weapons and get disappointed every time or go the other way thinking everything will be mid as usual and get pleasantly surprised when little gems come out. Ultimately I think as usual the devs' ideas are in the right place most of the time, they try to add new interesting takes on already existing weapons and combos, but they keep that weird balancing mentality that always screws with the players and removes fun. Now that people are saying the SMG has good stagger watch them reduce it because we don't get to have fun. I'm also waiting for the inevitable DoT nerf because.. yeah...

[@Damglador]

Purifier is just trash, cope won't help. Fire rate is slow, damage is low and explosion damage fall off is insane. It can't be fine, when we have Eruptor or/and Scorcher and Flame Breaker for bugs

[@void.society]

What we "normally get" shouldn't be "a couple mid weapons, a subjectively 'great' weapon, and a subjectively 'solid' side arm (which is basically a slight upgrade from them the base pistol). Everything in the PAID warbond should be good and have a use. Nothing should be 'mid'. That should not be the standard. And I'm not saying GIVE OP NOW, either. It's just that nothing should be fodder for something you're paying for.

[@Tamachii12]

Not it is thrash, you have a worse liberator, a subpar plasma punisher and we don't even know if the booster is working at all, a SMG that stuns enemies isn't going to cut, better just pick the JAR, Scorcher or Breaker Incendiary, because dead enemies don't atack anymore.

[@erichthegraham]

The booster works, it's very good on bugs, did you even try it?

[@Checkpoint_King]

Don’t go saying things like this. They’ll nerf your three faves like they do every update.

[@erichthegraham]

@@Checkpoint_King they nerf things that needed to be nerfed because they were over performing/ perceived to be then became ubiquitous. Good example is quasar, it's still great and if you like it you can run it. Personally I'll only consider it on cold planets because otherwise I would rather take another option. Perfectly balanced now. I need to run the post work eruptor to get more conclusive, but the xbow rework I actually like now, just took some getting used to. It's also currently bugged, but even so it performs adequately in its role as a stealth weapon. If they need to change anything, it's that they need to do a better job of informing players how to use their tools, but that doesn't sound like something the super earth government would concern themselves with so *shrug*

[@Checkpoint_King]

@@erichthegraham buddy I was where you are now about a month ago. With each passing update it becomes more and more clear the balance team has no idea what they’re doing. People take four weapons total out of our myriad selection because those four are the only ones that don’t feel like deliberately handicapping yourself in the name of kit diversity. The eruptor allowed for many cool kits involving different support weapon and backpack combos then they took away the cool feature that is literally on its item description and now it’s just an objectively worse AMR with a slower fire rate. This pattern of “nerf because people use it w/o figuring out why that is” is really starting to grate on a lot of people including those of us who used to defend it.

[@erichthegraham]

@@Checkpoint_King that's fair, but I'm 200 hours into the game and over lvl 70, don't think I'll be changing my opinion anytime soon. For the sake of being well rounded, I do feel that the slugger got over nerfed, and I want them to give the Eruptor a cone of shrapnel so it can be cool without team killing me randomly from a mile away. The Eruptor needed to be nerfed, but yeah I push that cone idea in discord. I'm just saying the doomer attitude is unnecessary and cringe, game is not even 6 months old and is way better than anything else out there. Also, I believe the team had stated that they are looking into being shrapnel back to the Eruptor in a better way at some point.

[@tonyoso1391]

The bots and bugs have taken over this streamer channel

[@marcotheman6886]

Yeah, this guys been compromised 🤔

[@SK8GEEK1]

“Guys it’s really good, if you just use it for 5 hours each and exploit the bug with chargers, it’s really good” Man they “FEEL” bad. Feeling a gun is how most normie players play games They won’t check white sheet damage or min max a weapon. If it feels weak or feels worse, it is to them

[@yukioacumora4430]

The moment I used thr tenderizer I fell in love and I'm not looking back to using thr normal liberator any time soon. 10 reserve mags and near perfect accuracy at long range, with every attachment and s burst fire option. Only in my wettest dreams did I hope I'd get an AR like this.

[@SK8GEEK1]

@@yukioacumora4430 ok?

[@lucafrix66]

Built in combo.... this week. We shall see once the next patch comes out if they nerf things and make the few positives of these weapons vanish.

[@IntrusiveThot420]

Definitely don't agree that the Purifier is mid in practice. It's quite bad. The very slow ROF doesn't chain stagger and the damage output is so low it can't really handle the large number of quick devastator/zerker kills you want to see on Helldive. It also can't clip out a hulk, which is annoying because hot dropping, stun grenading a hulk, and running behind it with plas punisher or scorcher is sick utility, and it simply doesn't have that.

[@CellaDorrn]

Interresting that you open with the only gun that is a clear upgrade… Any other gun is just a sidestep of another gun.. Now to the question is it the worst… Steeled Veterans had 2 still good shotguns and the first fire grenade bit i don’t use it.. The Cutting edge warbond had the sickle and the blitzer and the stun grenade.. almost anytime one of those is in my loadout Then democratic detonation had 2 primary that still see higz usage vs bots and a side arm i use almost all the time when my secondary can’t close holes or factories because i love the stun grenades to much.. And then we have the polar patriots… There i got a good smg vs bots (i use it every time its not a cold planet for the sickle not the tenderizer.. and together with a shield it is aswsome to use the pummeler… the sidearm is ok but not my thing because against bugs sustaines dps is more important so repeater and vs bots i like the adittional killables with the senator and if i don‘t have a grenade i use the grenadepistol..… and the purifier feels a bit like the scorcher and i don’t like it… So for me it 1 weapon.. oh jeah inst flame grenade.. … either i want granades with damage that i can aim to kill solething fast.. or i want a granade that closes holes and factories nicely.. or i want then as utility like stun, smoke.. if the bugs wouldn’t just run thru the flames i would use it as cc.. but its not So is it the worst… yes… is it useless.. no there is the best smg ingame.. and a good looking armor set..

[@thiccfila]

and just remember, the dominator, fire breaker, and blitzer were all mid or bad until they were buffed

[@CellaDorrn]

​@@thiccfila well after another few rounds i think i know why they hate even the smg is because the smg just shines with a shield and this has some huge draw backs when you change force field to riot shield... when you use any strategem weapon with a longer loading or shoot sequence the force field will cya.. but the riot shield will not with the riot it is best to use either the AMR or the Expendable.. if you dont like those it could be a bit anoying if you compare it with the other shild in mind and it can be verry ammo hungry

[@Brawler1216]

Inb4 he ODs on the entire tank of copium.

[@Adam-082]

Its trash, stop defending this trash war bond.

[@mnknight9666]

Lol

[@TheRealName7]

He's retarded, be patient with him.

[@johnathan5906]

I bought the warbond because I'm coping that they will buff it. But saying the warbond right now in its current state is good is just straight up disingenuous.

[@phonechecked]

Get gud or stay in trivial difficulty.

[@66maybe66]

The only trash weapon is the Purifier. The Tenderizer, Pummeler, Verdict and Impact Nades are all well-balanced *compared to* their closest cousins. Tenderizer trades some mag size for better handling, Pummeler trades some DPS for a very distinct CC capacity that fits well with the ballistic shield playstyle of the Defender, Verdict is the Diligence to the Senator's Counter-Sniper, and the impact incendiaries are just a personal preference swap over the standard incendiaries. They're all objectively balanced. They're just balanced variants to things that aren't S+-tier busted clickbait material. Which is fine. Power-wise, this is exactly what a warbond SHOULD be. The only issue I have with it is that it's not creative enough, not that it's weak.

[@DutchGuyMike]

Should have done the opposite because they can check how many times it is purchased.

[@johnathan5906]

@@phonechecked Cope harder meat rider. Get gud doesn't even apply here. The weapons are terrible.

[@johnathan5906]

@@phonechecked You're so delusional it's wild.

[@papafouplays2991]

strenght aside, i feel like it lacks uniqueness. eruptor, crossbow, stun nades, blitzer are all unique. meanwhile this warbond just felt a bit boring imo. but one could argue that the first prenium warbond was also boring which I would also agree.

[@thiccfila]

yah thats one reason i think people are calling it bad. nothing super exciting except the purifier, which has the same damage as punisher variant. but realistically it matches all the other bonds on launch.

[@westleyramirez3036]

Unique and simple designs can go hand in hand as there are those who prefer either-or. I personally love ballistics weapons because it is simple yet the uniqueness comes to be due to the fact that ballistics weapons are the fundamental basics of starting firearms, while you have fancy weapons that shoots plasma or electric or energy blasts. Ballistics has a special touch to it that always fits well for everyone that prefers ballistic weapons.

[@yukioacumora4430]

That's true but there is eventually a point where yiu can only shoot in so many ways with a weapon. Not saying we have reached that point, as we are likely gonna get advanced and unique options sprinkled in with simple and niche ones.

[@westleyramirez3036]

@@yukioacumora4430 I think the best game I can think that can give us more unique ballistic options would be the way CoD does. No no no I'm not talking about the game as a whole, I'm staying the hell away from that LOL. I'm talking about weapon designs. In Cod there will always be an all-arounder such as the M4, the heavy duty rifle like the AK, or the Accurate over firepower like the ACR. Certain weapons can fill some roles that I think AH will eventually get there. Well... Unless we defeat the final boss of the game which is Alexus, Scourge of all Balances

[@marzialalfonzocanada888]

first warbond had a unique weapon too tho the incendiary breaker...... I mean its like the only gun in the game that would actually set enemies on fire

[@lordbeerus462]

I half agree, it has some good weapons, but overall it does not. That Purifier is utter trash and the assault rifle if....okay. Not to mention, no new armor perks and nothing in the Bond matches the thematic. That is important.

[@cobc11]

I'm sorry I usually agree with you but not this time

[@thiccfila]

i mean i can more comfortably solo helldive using a full pp warbond loadout, so you do you lol

[@CarlosHernandez-iu1cy]

I mean that like saying i can beat fallout with the starting pistol that does make it a good weapond ​@@thiccfila

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

​@@thiccfilapeople can helldive with the worst weapons in the game if they try hard enough, you doing it means nothing

[@gershommaes902]

@@montecarlowithdawningornam1817 He's saying it is *easier* not just *possible* with the new bond

[@yukioacumora4430]

​@@CarlosHernandez-iu1cyI dunno coukd you do that with at launch plasma punisher or at launch Blitzer? Seriously feels like people are just trying to contrived problems where there aren't any. Weapons have felt fine to me this warbond. I dunno when this new major order to be as negative as possible came from but it's kinda cringe.

[@Mark-ed5pu]

I tried to like it…I tried to fit every weapon into my loadout. I even convinced myself the pummeler was good, until I switched back to the sickle. The armors and player cards look cool, that’s about it with this warbond.

[@MrMacavity]

I still miss my old version Eruptor. It was fun to use. Then they took away 50% ammo. "Fair" we thought. Then they took away the explosion. 😢

[@damnfatsandwich3138]

Prenerfed weapon is new meta

[@Nazwabezcyfer]

On bugs, there is no reason to use anything other than incendiary breaker anyway, or if you desperately want that stun go punisher or blitzer. The pummeler is solid, nade is very good, pistol is very mid (why take it over nade pistol?). The other 2 weapons are trash. New booster is trash and ofc armor passives are recycled once again. Doesn't that make the whole warbond kinda trash?

[@davidweaver4436]

The reason it's not a great warbond is basically what you said toward the end. The best weapon in it, the SMG, isn't terribly exciting. If even the best weapon isn't all that exciting, and we're already a little (or a lot) grumpy about the game's balancing decisions lately, then of course we're not going to be happy about a largely underwhelming warbond. A new warbond means we have to have saved up 1000 SC (or pulled out the old CC) and grind out 1000~ medals. We want something that feels good and exciting as a reward for all our time, effort and/or money. We wish to be whelmed, and lately we haven't been. Those who did get it now have to restart their grind for the next one, and those who didn't have to sigh and wait a month or so for the next one without any new toys to play with while they wait.

[@julianvickers]

“It has a decent amount of less mag size” is definitely one of the sentences of all time.

[@PRINCEofNONE]

Not a fan of the diligence. I see your point, but making something I don’t like smaller isn’t going to make me like it. Grenade launcher? Super fun! But I need bigger support weapons… pocket launcher? Nice. If people wanted a pocket diligence the revolver was doing them just fine. Sure was/is for me.

[@andrewka57]

I feel like it's more so that the player base is tired of the state of the warbonds on release. The advertising of the warbond is off, and in turn, player expectations were skewed. All the PP weapons don't fully resupply. The weapons, minus the Pummeler and Verdict, don't feel fun to use. Should the Tenderizer be a side grade to the Liberator? Honestly no, it should be better. New weapons shouldn't be side grades to the base weapons in the game(i.e. Liberator AR and Peacemaker pistol). If anything, this warbond show the state that AR's are in. SMG's are just better than the AR's currently. Better handling, damage, mag size, and one handed. The Pummeler is just straight up better than the Liberator Concussive. It has a better concussive effect, bigger mag size, and better handling. Balance team has a lot of work to do.

[@neziaojuara1768]

Bro, Don't do that 😭

[@ooooooooofffffffff3225]

Don’t get me wrong the pistol is pretty good. Cant stop using the grenade pistol. The new smg is great love the information that it can kill a charger. But my issue is bile spewers? My build is nade pistol , 500kg, eat anti tank and shield bagpack and rail cannon strike. But with my build its great against everything but bile spewers. Idk how to take a army of them out so idk if to use the anti material riffle against them if its any good or what. Any tips

[@d3knot]

It's the best shit when compared to other shits.

[@TwoTwig]

I didn't know Alexus had an alt youtube channel

[@JP-uq9xt]

Hey @ThiccFilA, good video as always. I have a question. I have around 120hrs in the game and recently discovered that the Dominator (The only gun I use against the bots) actually shoots slightly lower than the red dot of the scope (Shoots where the green laser points), Do you have any idea if the devs are aware of this? Or if people are talking about it? Cause this causes me to miss quite often the headshot on devastators and it's really annoying having to compensate for this on every engagement closer than 50-60 meters. Keep up the amazing work on this game!!!

[@thiccfila]

They said they fixed many reticles, so we probly have to make them aware every reticle is off unfortunately. It's not in the known fixes on the patches anymore.

[@WINTERGREEN53]

I wouldn’t classify the warbond as good by any means

[@bummer01]

The previous ones at least has some unique traits to them like the eruptor before it was nerfed, grenade launcher pistol and some good sidegrade with good armors, the new warbond doesn't offer those trait other than the pummeler, if they are offering us weapons with downside at least give them some good traits like concussive or the purifier can at least have an EMS trait. The armor is just kit bashed from previous armor with no new traits and no light armor variants to make it at least worth while or worth keeping.

[@jamezbyron]

I used to take the eruptor on both bug and bought missions every time once I got it. But since the pummeler has dropped, I either pair it with the shield backpack for bugs or the ballistic shield for bots

[@Joe-ig6hz]

Sorry didn’t watch your video before commenting but the title said it all and I don’t need to watch to convince myself the Warbond does not suck.

[@MutedSociety]

Just because it's just as "good" as other warbond shouldn't mean that people should be happy with it. Everything is grossly unbalanced, and they can adjust the guns whenever they want, like with the other warbonds, they rarely make the changes to make the guns feels fun. People are tired of getting a few good things and are spending their 1000 SC free or not. They think they are not getting their time worth. Posting a video saying that we should be happy with it, it's just not cool.

[@matthaught4707]

We had a primary weapon that could one shot scout striders: the pre-nerf eruptor

[@kingvejita8827]

RIP Our boy, now it takes me 3 shots..

[@matthaught4707]

@@kingvejita8827 Yup. Take a gun that was already balanced by having a small magazine, limited range (it would auto-detonate around 125m), slow projectile speed and abysmal rate of fire, and then take away the only thing it had: the ability to damage groups of minor mobs along with medium enemies. Now what does it have going for it? Jack squat. I used to really enjoy running it alongside a Stalwart for crowd control, even though that left me pretty hard up for dealing with heavy enemies.

[@louisboulton6296]

It is a neat strategy to hold bugs in place inside of DOT areas, but using a gun to let a grenade kill them is not as effective as shooting them till they die and does not mean the gun is good cause its unique. obviously this strat is not meta incendiary breaker, gas strike, napalm strike even just incendiary impact + a strong gun is better than using the pummeler

[@Fazuchi24]

Thanks for talking about the war bond without complaining about it in every breath.

[@25xxfrostxx]

The purifier is absolutely revolting. It's the punisher with a faster projectile and the fire rate of an arc thrower. I definitely agree on needing an assault rifle that can punch up to high level gameplay. The only real option is the sickle and that's only because of its recoil and ammo economy.

[@frogfood1675]

reading comments on videos like this really make you understand people don't understand what they want. They ask for stronger weapons every warbond, they ask for power creep so bad they actually want primaries that can kill entire waves of enemies and also heavies.

[@michaelnielsen9651]

its like a 2/10 its bad man theres 1-2 nich itmes and some some cosmetic thats okay and it really the cosmetic taht pulles it up to a 2

[@derekputz8568]

Thank you, sir, for this. I bought the Warbond myself, and couldn't for the life of me understand where all the salt was coming from. I actually like the Tenderizer and have had great success with it thanks to it's phenominal handling!

[@alexanders.4591]

Does anyone have any keybind suggestions for a 60% keyboard? I really need some help lol

[@dudeiii2069]

⁠i genuinely don’t think the new smg is good. I mean sure it stuns brood commander but it’ll still cost u have a third of you mag to actually kill it, if you want something that is good against brood commanders and good at killing trash just go with the breaker or the punisher. Plus that smg is awful against shriekers. Also i think people are just underestimating in normal incindiary grenade if they think the impact version is that good.

[@kingvejita8827]

With old Eruptor ,1 shot , 1 oportunity that's all i need and brood commander's head goes bye bye Now they fwk1ng killed my boy ! RIP Eruptor ( last time took me 3 fwk1ng shots)

[@joshfritz5345]

The deagle is my new favorite pistol. It feels so good to one tap troopers with a pistol, especially one that handles so well.

[@Blakkrazor69]

It isn't "trash" but it could have been so, so much better. The SMG and Grenade were the best two purchases as the armor sets do nothing new for their heaviness categories. The Boost is usable in a 4 man run but falls behind in value in smaller squads. We can't kill more efficiently with capes and emotes and lets face it, what we're looking for in Premium Warbonds is premium equipment. And this Warbond wasn't Premium by a long shot. C+ to B- tops.

[@yukioacumora4430]

The armors might not *do* anything new but I prefer the cosmetic look of the heavy from this warbond compared to the other ones heavily.

[@thedankestdungeon8091]

@@yukioacumora4430 Without a transmog system it doesn't matter if they look good, cause if the perks aren't what you want for the mission they are automatically worthless.

[@jdp3578]

They've all felt about the same. An ar that isn't good b/c all the ar's aren't very useful, a gun that's good, a gun that's bad, a grenade that's exactly what you expect, and armor that has the same issues as other armors. Could be better or worse. The larger problem is balancing

[@joehudson7007]

The shocks ability is kinda a joke, which going with everything in that slot (can't remember the name of the slot rn) are always either absolutely useless, or crazy amazing. This followed the more common, straight useless

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

I just hit another 1k credits, and can't really decide whether to get this or sit on them. The warbonds seem to come out pretty frequently, and nothing in them has really jumped out at me

[@artificialbox]

honestly didnt even think about throwing the incendiary impact and then using the pummeller to keep the enemies in the flame. kinda want to get this warbond now

[@MrVelociraptor75]

Any reason you're not using a grenade armour for this build? I would feel the extra grenades would be come in handy much more often than the extra stims, and would fill up really quickly when you're grabbing everything from a supply. I tend to agree with your points. The new SMG is interesting and has some nice utility. I've found I don't care to use it, but I think it's quite good (I'm on console, so I find it quite hard to reliably hit that devastator head regularly enough. So I prefer the Dominator's stagger, as that happens even if I miss. Haven't tried it against bugs yet) The new plasma is never going to be a weapon I'll use (hate charge-ups usually) but even just on pure stats, I can't see how they thought that was a "good" weapon. Double its damage and you might have something The BIGGEST issue is still... why is this snow themed???

[@thiccfila]

cuz i had supply pack, so +2 stim duration is better imo

[@Demon-lt2fx]

its trash. change the AR so that it is different than the starting one, buff the purifier and make it so that the concussive smg is not just a better version of the older concussive weapon. also make the non impact incendiary grenade do more detonation damage so that its not completely usless compared to the new incendiary impact grenade.

[@simplycookie3315]

I'd love the pummeler, high stagger and being able to jog while shooting would be awesome against hunters and stalkers man they are a nightmare to deal with, i usually have the punisher to help keep my distance or the defender to run as i try killing those hunters, having an option for both would be great against bugs, I'ma get the steal vat warbond first to get the senator and I'll grind the for the pummaler

[@spencer4hire81]

I think where they really messed up was that this warbond came out right after the PS account firestorm and the big nerf patch, and while we’re dealing with persistent issues with the patrol system and game bugs. With the current vibes it kind of feels like the Pummeler’s power was a mistake and the underwhelming weapons were the norm. Also, people love energy weapons, and having the Purifier be so disappointing just makes the whole warbond feel bad.

[@georged5420]

Thanks to you I've been rocking the pumler and the shield against the bots. Loving it!

[@kaj413]

Played with the Purifier this morning and I kinda like it. I would compare it to a plasma version of Counter Sniper with the lack of a scope an attempt to balance its power. You can one shot Striders if you hit the view port at the top of the shield; I believe the explosive damage splashes over the top onto their head. The charge up can be held indefinitely, even when transferring to a hip fire stance and walking around. The huge negative with this weapon is that lack of a scope, this game is not as good at iron sights as it seems to be for hip fired. Another drawback is the fire rate, because of the charge up , makes it very difficult to deal with more than a couple of enemies at once. Which is why I have been using my Senator a lot more and am really loving that combo (mostly because of the reload buff). Side note: Arrowhead has made the Hulk the new bile spewer. It is super fast and massively silent. Just one running around can wipe a team very quickly if left unchecked. It also feels like they did something to its face. I have been having a difficult time killing it using that spot with anything other than the laser cannon.

[@raccoonmanthing]

make the purifier charge the same speed as the railgun and give it the green scope and i'd use it forever

[@Red-iu6wu]

i don't remember the math but i had one guy trash talking the new pistol in discord like 3 or 4 days ago comparing it to the revolver and i brought up the point that though the revolver has 175 damage compared to the pistols 125 its got a 10 shot mag giving it more damage per mag than the revolver and its got 8 mags of 10 shots so 80 extra shots compared to the revolvers 40 extra shots and that's not even talking about the fast fire rate and fast reload speed so its like boo hoo it lacks armor pen and the damage number is smaller like big deal. i use it as a get the eff off me weapon where i can spray it into a soft spot. so i think its great just how it is. the AR sucks not because of stats but because it does the exact same thing as the default rifle without really changing anything so its a what's the point? kinda thing. its got less recoil so make that its main thing make it at the same damage as the default rifle but slap a big scope on that thing then have its fire rate lower than the standard AR and buff its range and accuracy. this makes it better than the default at long ranges because its really easy to hit shots with its handling and recoil and has a good scope but with the lower fire rate and mag size makes its worse closer up than the first AR. the SMGs needs a full rebalance. i got no idea why the one handed SMGs are doing more damage than the two handed assault rifles and are slower it should be the other way around. swap the AR and SMG stats for damage to fire rate. its ok for the old concussive AR to do more damage than the new concussive SMG but make that bi otch spray the SMGs should be trading damage and range for fire rate, mag size and handling. also why is the concussive AR more damage than the normal one while the concussive SMG is less than the normal SMG? figure out what way you wanna go and stick to it. id say make all concussive do more damage as its explodes but give lower armor pen and mag size (bigger bullets to hold payload = less room in mag). the plasma pure just needs more damage. the charge rate is good and the AOE range is also good but it should as the video said one tap the two legged walker things and have less ammo for that power. really it should be like a 5 shot mag and have more damage than the explosive sniper rifle without touching the charge speed and the explosive sniper needs more fire rate cause like im not army and i can pull that bolt faster in real life than the helldivers can in game and its just kinda sad. Edit: also the new grenade is just gravy. the fire grenades was my most used ones to start with and we just got a better version.

[@DoeJohn887]

There is something that I want to point out with the AR-61 Tenderizer Assault Rifle from Polar Patriots War Bond, I do feel like this gun def needs a buff one way or another, and it is def a side-grade to the standard liberator. But something that no one has pointed out is it's OVERALL ammo count. You actually have about 35-45 more rounds before you run out of ammo, despite you haveing 10 less per mag. AND you have 10 mags instead of 7, so you have a little bit more ammo overall, AND the ammo lasts longer. The AR-61 Tenderizer has less recoil, better handling/accuracy, a little bit more averall ammo, and 3 more mags. In the context of being compared to the standard Liberator. I also like how it sounds. The ammo economy is also a little lacluster IMO, I scavenged a green box of ammo I found on the map, and it only gave the Tenderizer 2 out of 10 mags. Meaning if you are OUT of ammo, you need 5! Green ammo boxes from the map to be FULL -_- i'd call that bad ammo economy

[@scorpionevo880]

I have started to really like the Purifier because even if just a side grade to the Scorcher or Punisher, the Purifier is really good at stunning light to medium enemies, and while not as good as the Pummeller, the Purifier in a one on one fight can shut down devastators, striders, berserkers, stalkers, hive guards, broodies, etc. And with its insanely large blast radius I find it excels at small target splash

[@FuNFuri]

Ive been maining this gun since this warbond came out, I absolutely love it

[@davidtremblay7376]

How much did Arrowhead pay you?

[@00_Wrld]

Can we get a warbond with a melee weapon, like a type of sword or hammer that 1.) Strips armor and staggers or 2.) One hits the squishy parts of bugs or crits vulnerable parts

[@00_Wrld]

It could be a secondary or if OP and game changing then it can be a primary and cost you diving with no primary gun

[@5dollar_L]

It’s better than Steeled Veterans was on release. That said, if a new player asked me what warbond they should buy first, this would be the last one on my list.

[@hostage67]

Because it is the worst Warbond. It is one thing to say not every single item in the Warbond sucks, which would be accurate, but to say the Warbond overall is the worst Warbond we have seen to date, and generally sucks overall, is a completely valid statement. There is nothing that is exceptional in this Warbond, The SMG is not horrible, but also not a spectactular weapon either. It's basically the defender with added stagger. Is it an upgrade, yes, is it a significant upgrade, no. The Assault rifle is horrible, worse than the default assault rifle. The grenade again, an improvement on the existing impact grenade, but also again, nothing exceptional. The pistol I haven't used yet, I've heard again that it's basically decent, but again nothing exceptional. Basically what we're getting at is that there is not a single reason to purchase this Warbond because you can get basically better or extremely similar items from other Warbonds that also offer significantly better options. Rating this as a good Warbond because you think you know how to fix the guns is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time. Everyone knows how to fix the guns, and there isn't even just a single answer to that question. There are many things they could do to fix the guns from adding ammo, to damage, additional effects, increased fire rate, etc... we could go on and on about all the different ways to fix the weapons. But the issue remains that the AR and Rifle both desperately need fixes, and again the Grenade and SMG, and even the Pistol are just ok, with better options being found in other Warbonds in many cases. Inferno Grenade - This basically does the same thing as the impact grenade, but leaves fire on the ground. Sorry, but in most cases you aren't waiting for mobs to burn to the ground, and even if you were the flames don't last long enough to contribute any sort of significant damage. Meaning if the initial explosion didn't kill the mobs, then it is unlikely the flames will. You would get more out of learning to throw your grenades accurately than you would out of waiting for mobs to burn from the fire DOT damage from this grenade. The only mobs this kills really are the weak mobs, which die from the explosion not from the fire. Medium and Heavy targets are not likely to be killed by this damage, and generally take little damage from a single grenade. The Pummeller - Is basically the same thing as The Defender, it includes a stagger, which frankly isn't required and has very niche usefulness. Overall the lack of any real firepower makes this more of a Crowd Control gun, than a killing gun. The only thing this is really good for killing are small mobs. Yes, you can get into a medium mobs face and stun lock him, assuming you aren't getting shot at by the other 60 bots on the map. This is probably the best part of the Warbond, but again, by its self, not worth purchasing the Warbond for. Pistol - most people are defaulting to the grenade pistol these days because it has actual utility allowing to close bug holes and factories from a distance. This is a middle of the ground pistol, which again is ok, but not exceptional in any area. If you want more damage you would use the revolver, and if you wanted faster fire rates you would use The Redeemer. This falls somewhere in the middle which gives it some value, but again, nothing exceptional. Any of the other pistols will get the same job done, and this provides no additional utility like the grenade pistol does.

[@zeraphile1141]

Honestly the purifier just need more damages (as you said), and a better scope and it would be a great weapon for bots. Tenderizer need better damage mutiplier against light armor. Also I'll had that if the Liberator C has the same base damage as the Pummeler, because it's a rifle, the bullets have better energy retention (=damages) and precision for ranged shots

[@xdfiloso8727]

i think people say polar patriots its ass because its yet another MID warbond after 2 very MEH warbs and the weird and dumb balancing changes

[@CoryDAnimates]

SMG Defender main. Pairing any smg (don't forget the SC Knight) with the liberator guard dog makes you the mobbing MVP. I even had the rover take down buzzerkers and Devies faces with it hover hight profile. This warbond was tailerd to my play style. The pulverizers fells like the beginning of sidegrades i see in games like planetside 2 where the guns start to feel samie and RoF/TtK became king. Now can we get those AT mine Helldivers!?!

[@solice55]

I'm a big fan of the SMG in this warbond, but I didn't even think about the combo with the impact incendiary grenade! I'm going to check it out.

[@xander7551]

your content is so refreshing i feel like people want their primaries to operate in this COD like bubble instead of using whatever strengths your weapon has and accommodating that with your grenades and stratagems

[@scottroxford5715]

Honestly I wouldn't mind a Warbond of just secondaries, I want a double barreled shotgun that just says "fuck you" to anything that gets close, or a revolver that has ricocheting bullets that bounce from target to target and you can also fan the hammer cause yee haw. Or a single shot laser pistol with piercing capabilities. OOH also dual wielding pistols, that'd be sick.

[@starsidescav9487]

Why the hell would you want more stability on a high cal rifle? Good idea for the limb damage tho

[@TacynMegan]

Just wait till they nerf the pummeler stun saying it was an bug or something

[@Rockforce80]

It's arrowheads fault that people expected a deagle tbh. The description of the verdict is it firing a 14mm cartridge, which is actually a bit larger than the .50AE the Desert Eagle fires

[@Johnny-ub6yu]

This warbond isnt worth $10. Nothing about the weapons or armor is new, unique, or fun.

[@DeltaV64]

It’s trash because it was not worth the effort to grind credits and medals.

[@beardedundead6750]

Pummeler grenade pistol ballistic shield stun grenades and quasar works beautifully. But you have to use EVERYTHING.

[@starblissed]

I really like the Pummeler, it's awesome to have an alternative to the Defender for shield buids. That being said, the damage fall on the Pummeler is really aggressive, to the point where at 12 meters you can't 2 tap devastators. And, to be quite honest, the way the bots slouch when they're stunned makes it really hard to hit their heads. I think I personally still prefer the Defender, but they're both fun and strong 👍

[@luisestebanr6311]

will try this combo, for sure!

[@mythfire1461]

Pretty good hot take. Thanks for the insights.

[@Wonback]

Armors from the premium warbonds should have UNIQUE passives, PERIOD

[@ThatPinkOtter]

The reason the Purifier gets flak is because it directly competes with two other weapons that do it's job better. The medium armor pen it has means nothing when the plasma weapons detonate on impact, especially given the majority of their damage comes from the explosion. The thing that holds it back is it's fire rate and damage, the Purifier needs to have it's magazine size changed from 15 to 10 and to be given at the very least 150 more damage. Is it unusable? No, but like with ARs there are always better options and even the Defender is just an objectively better Liberator in every way: recoil, one handed, handling, DPS, ammo economy, so on and so forth. if your benchmark for average is 'I can make it work if I try really hard.' then if that's how it's quantified an example I could give because you play looter shooters is Gaige in BL2, she's not average, she's not nearly as bad as Axton but that certainly doesn't make her good. Just because something isn't objectively the worst thing in the game and there are one or two examples of something being worse than it doesn't put it at average, and in HD2 with the isolating of weapons into categories or roles then the Purifier is only brought down further. As far as plasma weapons go it's the worst in the game by far and doesn't do anything USEFUL enough to make it worth considering over the Scorcher or the Plasma Punisher aside from preferring how it plays. It serves no niche and it's performance is lackluster at best, the Purifier's only major selling point is that it fires a long range round that detonates on impact with a larger radius than that we see on the Scorcher. Similarly the Slugger also currently serves no niche with the Dominator, Scorcher and Plasma Punisher having replaced it in any category it used to excel at thanks to the nerfs to the Slugger's stagger. You want mid range stagger? Plasma Punisher. You want a precise weapon that oneshots? Dominator/DiligenceCS. You want a swiss army knife? Scorcher. If the Slugger still had stagger it would be perfectly fine and have a place, I'd go more in detail about what sets it apart but that'd be a list of comparisons and this is long enough as it is. Also ARs are disliked because they do nothing interesting, they're boring stat sticks that don't seem to fill any role in particular and are just 'okay' at best. They just tend to be uninteresting in a game with weapons like the Eruptor, Blitzer, Dominator and yes, even the Purifier. We have yet to see an AR that gives you the same feeling using a 500kg bomb for the first time did, and it's a shame that we haven't, ARs can be super cool, Destiny has proven that time and time again, but in HD2 they're just... Uninspiring, and it's sad.

[@d00mscss96]

is there concise list or summary of best weapons for each enemy type?

[@thiccfila]

i posted a tierlist, its 2nd newest vid in my channel

[@ourlordandsavioredupes4102]

Pummeler is so good on bugs with flamethrower Also I think it may be the most fun gun in the game right now in my opinion. Love staggering bugs while running away and hip firing.

[@daaaah_whoosh]

A pocket Diligence actually sounds great, love the Diligence but it doesn't have the punch for taking down heavier enemies and (at least a patch or two ago) didn't have the handling for quickly taking down nearby targets. Now that I use the Dominator it could be nice to have a close-range chaff-clearer that's got a little more ammo than the Redeemer.