New Year, New Look / Big 10 Go Kart Series Event 1

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Hunt the Front

Hunt the Front

Күн бұрын

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@travissmith4739
@travissmith4739 4 жыл бұрын
Getting your tires right is 90% of karting. stay with it, love the coverage brings back great memories.
@fyingace14
@fyingace14 4 жыл бұрын
I raced go karts for about 15 years all over the southeast and that track with all those tires laying around looks like the most dangerous place I’ve seen.
@Skybolt211
@Skybolt211 4 жыл бұрын
Hang in there, Joshua! Raced for quite a few years and things can go super smoothly for a while and then the wheels fall off... you just have to put them back on and keep going! It's all part of the experience... keep learning and enjoy the journey!
@matthewlundrideordie8151
@matthewlundrideordie8151 4 жыл бұрын
Head up !!! Takes time to learn. A bad day of racin is better than ......anything !
@MichaelWilliams-kq1lv
@MichaelWilliams-kq1lv 4 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. We towed our drag car 5.5 hours only to drop a valve and blow the engine unloading it off the trailer. Never turned a tire. Its racing character building. You will forget all of this when you win one. Stay at it!
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Williams Thanks for the positive vibes and thanks for watching 👍
@marlinmotorsports2130
@marlinmotorsports2130 4 жыл бұрын
Keep Diggin brother! I very rarely run a chain guide, but we always have them in the trailer if we go to a track somewhere that’s rough we put them on. All in all, “that’s racing”. Seat time is working your line looks good, you have great help and good equipment don’t stop now! It’s all about the tires and prep brother, study what works and what don’t, ask around too there are some racers willing to help with the prep. Just keep working. God bless!
@OldGrumpsGarage
@OldGrumpsGarage 4 жыл бұрын
Joshua don't let it get you down. Ya'll keep working. Persevere and overcome. It's always darkest before the dawn. Stay with it. Everytime you move up a division, it gets harder. But when you become competitive in that division the victories are very sweet.
@nashguy207
@nashguy207 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the bad luck. Don't give up. Keep the faith you'll get there do they ever have any practice days at that track? I think you just need to go do some practice and testing trying different things to get comfortable in the seat. Have a great week. God Bless!!!
@ajaye7120
@ajaye7120 4 жыл бұрын
We need more episodes of the go kart racing hunt the front is my favorite KZbin channel 🏁
@bryantchapman7503
@bryantchapman7503 4 жыл бұрын
Please stick with it I really enjoyed the go-kart segment used to race as a kid really wish I could get back into it your luck will change around God bless
@jessesouth447
@jessesouth447 4 жыл бұрын
Used to race karts all the time. Tires, tires, tires. They’re key. Have seen over 2 second change just by bolting a different set of tires on a kart. Really like the channel don’t give up. Kart racing is fun but can be hard to get them right and it’s always changing. Good luck and God Bless you guys.
@staceybowen8129
@staceybowen8129 4 жыл бұрын
Well don’t get down it’s nothing Your doing , it’s the racing gremlins! Hang in there things will get better , always the first night never hoes well . Get your groove and HUNT THE FRONT!!
@chrischrismon
@chrischrismon 4 жыл бұрын
Rough night, but that's racing! You'll get em next time!!
@travishanner9970
@travishanner9970 4 жыл бұрын
Keep your head up, buddy. We all been through it!!! Remember the feeling the night you won....that's what keeps you coming back!!!
@nglent51
@nglent51 4 жыл бұрын
12:20am is nothing. Back when I used to race karts i remember getting on the grid, about to go out for our feature at 4 am, left the track around sunrise. Half of the karts in my class were pushed back to their pits because the other kids fell asleep, lol.
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Nick Lent Not sure I could hang that late lol... It was hard enough making it to midnight!
@billhenry2991
@billhenry2991 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like you have the right ingredients that recipe will come together. Just don't give up stay positive. Practice, test. Love the videos keep them coming.
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
iHenry Racing Thanks for the positive vibes 👍
@Synic08
@Synic08 4 жыл бұрын
Just because there cheaper, doesnt mean there less competitive.... keep your head up, get more laps and some more videos! Cant wait for the next one,
@ml2trick
@ml2trick 4 жыл бұрын
Good Video. I raced carts for years in Wisconsin. I never left off the gas. Just used brakes and you are entering low in the corners. Carry speed and momentum.
@ira_peavy
@ira_peavy 4 жыл бұрын
Dont have a give up attitude after 2 rough weekends. Keep studying and learning.
@turtleboxguitars3796
@turtleboxguitars3796 4 жыл бұрын
That track is rough in the corners!
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Turtle Box Guitars It definitely got choppy as the night went on, but to be fair to the track, it rained all day Friday and most of the morning on Saturday. Thanks for watching!
@turtleboxguitars3796
@turtleboxguitars3796 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joiner1056 Thank you! And we'll keep watching your progress!!! God bless!
@scottholbert1192
@scottholbert1192 4 жыл бұрын
You no that racing is " sometimes chicken, sometimes feathers" . Keep your head up and it will get better 🇺🇸👍📖🏆🏁
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Holbert You’re exactly right! Thanks for the positive vibes 👍
@alanstackhouse2939
@alanstackhouse2939 4 жыл бұрын
Awe tough luck man..It is easy to get discouraged but hang in there! This will only make you better in the long run. God Bless you ALL
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Alan Stackhouse Thanks for the positive vibes and thanks for watching!
@jeremycolston8383
@jeremycolston8383 4 жыл бұрын
Man that bites. I would check around the motor mounts just be safe, that track was brutal. I did notice you were looking more comfortable with the cart as the night went on. Looks ya might need to add a tooth or two or maybe work on the clutch. IDK. I'm not a racer, but seemed like it's boggin just a little bit. Hope Mr. Dave made it home alright. Hang in there, racin gremlins. It'll turn around. God bless yall.
@d.staten5954
@d.staten5954 4 жыл бұрын
Don't give up. Keep digging.
@bayareaadventures4432
@bayareaadventures4432 4 жыл бұрын
Just have fun and don’t over think things.
@ryanmccurdy4446
@ryanmccurdy4446 4 жыл бұрын
Nights like that will make the next good night feel even better!
@victorpalmateer484
@victorpalmateer484 4 жыл бұрын
It was nice of that kart straightening you out there lol. You will get there. Enjoy the kart edition thanks
@jwebster3j
@jwebster3j 4 жыл бұрын
I raced go karts for 18 years up in the north east. see if you can find a slack kart. They were the best up here. Very easy to set up!
@thepittsstop4540
@thepittsstop4540 4 жыл бұрын
Hang in there brother. Thanks for sharing.
@charlesaguilar1708
@charlesaguilar1708 4 жыл бұрын
THANKS for the Video! I raced go-karts for 14 years and it was mostly on asphalt tracks! btwn 1983 to 1996. I would like to know more about your set-up plus a lot of questions on gearing,tires,etc.
@AfterLyfeGaming
@AfterLyfeGaming 4 жыл бұрын
Lee Capps is the best hands down!!! i raced his motors for YEARSSSSSS!
@MidpackMania
@MidpackMania 4 жыл бұрын
Same exact thing happened in my second to last video. The most frustrating thing after all the work you put in just to have it end that way. Those turns are so rough it’s insane.
@billyholcomb1711
@billyholcomb1711 4 жыл бұрын
Chin up. !!! Things will finally come to you... Been a long time since I raced a cart. I'm searching my mind trying to remember what I would do if I was in your case..... Seems like your going into the corners ok but there pulling you coming out of the corner. I don't know. Can you modify the motors? Well keep on keeping on. Have a great day. I'm enjoying the videos.
@bosshogg846
@bosshogg846 4 жыл бұрын
That track is ruff!!!!
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
BOSSHOGG 84 It definitely got choppy as the night went on, but to be fair to the track, it rained all day Friday and most of the morning on Saturday. Thanks for watching!
@bosshogg846
@bosshogg846 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joiner1056 no problem man love the vids I used to race Sr champ back in the day loved kart racing!
@Mitch7179
@Mitch7179 4 жыл бұрын
When it's cold out and the track is low bite you need to be putting heat to the tires and prepping them. As far as the chain goes, once they jump off once usually they're junk afterwards and never stay on right.
@trentonmiller8255
@trentonmiller8255 4 жыл бұрын
Stay positive bub your get the hang of it just remember to go out there and have fun
@brandystevenfield5070
@brandystevenfield5070 4 жыл бұрын
Are you prepping your tires
@marshalllaw2865
@marshalllaw2865 4 жыл бұрын
Keep trying you'll get faster.. looks like neck problems from my house lol. Myrtle beach track got my head/neck back in the early 90s.. stay safe, run hard, be smart young man
@kennyvelez8060
@kennyvelez8060 4 жыл бұрын
This happens, look at it as a learning experience and not a soul searching experience, keep your chin up remember your a newbie and not only are you learning how to drive the kart your learning how to drive the track too, if you doubt you you'll never do good, don't force the issues, let it come to you naturally, don't over drive the kart or the track, don't try to win first time out, just work on the start & finnish of the race, that track was junk they need to prep the track better than that (or prep it periodically throughout the nite), you may want to consider running a track closer to where Mr. Dave lives, one week race here one week race there just to see if it's the track or experience, you never know till you try it, you may do great at another track, one more to your natural driving skills, your a Joiner we know you got driving skills, it runs in the family,,, love the new look It looks great,
@szekelyable
@szekelyable 4 жыл бұрын
Drive sprocket and axle sprocket are out of line. That chain guard would of held the chain on otherwise. Can’t blame the track cause nobody else had a chain pop off. Keep digging! Try Original speedway park in fruit land park, I think you would love it. Better track to learn on.
@70motorsports_
@70motorsports_ 4 жыл бұрын
Dude... it happens stay with it I’m off to the same start.. blew two motors in New Year’s Day race... keep hunting that front
@scottdickinson613
@scottdickinson613 4 жыл бұрын
Tough night? If it weren’t for bad luck you’d have no luck at all! Keep your chin up. When you start at the bottom the only way to go is up.
@oikkuoek
@oikkuoek 4 жыл бұрын
When running that radical rear gear/tyre combination, you'll need equally radical chain guide. Something that wraps the lower part of the chain up until 9 o'klock. Also, when driving in mud, higher/slower gear ratio gives more traction and smoother torque. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but it's always racing and that's better than most things.
@mugrootersroadhouse8977
@mugrootersroadhouse8977 4 жыл бұрын
Hang in there Joshua. Remember, THE DARKEST HOUR IS JUST BEFORE THE DAWN ...
@markgilbertson4917
@markgilbertson4917 4 жыл бұрын
Find a high banked 1/8th mile asphalt oval and have fun.
@DarrellJames17
@DarrellJames17 4 жыл бұрын
I think Jonathan or Joesph needs to come an run the kart one time.
@lburke425
@lburke425 4 жыл бұрын
Darrell James second this
@Skybolt211
@Skybolt211 4 жыл бұрын
I raced karts and then moved to full size cars... and running karts is harder in a lot of ways. Everything happens very fast... set-ups are so important on karts because you can't overcome it with power.. tiny changes make a huge difference.. etc. so I bet Joshua would still better than them in the kart!! When I moved from karts into a street stock, things felt like they were happening in slo-mo. LOL
@cliftonshomeimprovements7971
@cliftonshomeimprovements7971 4 жыл бұрын
Joseph is a driving fool
@andytyre1161
@andytyre1161 4 жыл бұрын
Hang in there bud! You'll get it!!!
@ronaldklose7392
@ronaldklose7392 4 жыл бұрын
Chain is an alignment issue. Put square across gears to check. Handling is usually a bind in chassis. Shock, heir end, bearing, anything that moves or rotates. Gotta check every thing individually to find it. Don't ask me how I know! lol
@mitchellsmith9289
@mitchellsmith9289 4 жыл бұрын
You guys will figure it out, keep working!
@beststuff12
@beststuff12 4 жыл бұрын
Tighten the chain up by either bigger gear on the axle or slide the motor forward
@SteveC-cs6ec
@SteveC-cs6ec 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like they pull you down the straightaway, gear it for the turns and it will keep up with them down the straights.
@Michaljordan1
@Michaljordan1 4 жыл бұрын
Been there done that! But my son loved it
@chuckratcliff2429
@chuckratcliff2429 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I had a Dave when I was kart racing!!
@sunshineslade601
@sunshineslade601 4 жыл бұрын
That's how it goes you just got to hang in there it seems like you got a flex in your chassis when you hit the bumps that means something broke loose somewhere mr. Dave needs to go through that chassis especially around the motor brackets
@justinm1150
@justinm1150 4 жыл бұрын
dam that sucks for you keep working and you will be up front
@Shadygradysoutdooradvanture
@Shadygradysoutdooradvanture 4 жыл бұрын
Your not torching the tires after prep ?
@zachamilton23
@zachamilton23 4 жыл бұрын
Try scooting your left rear hub in or go with a softer left rear
@MudSlinger29j
@MudSlinger29j 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion being an ex kart racer you need to slow your corner entry down and try to keep it as close to the cones as possible.
@frankdanfelt7059
@frankdanfelt7059 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, Happy New Year...Just a suggestion. As a "old time Karter" from the 70's, I noticed that you had weights bolted underneath, and on the back of your seat. From having done that, I can tell you that it places a strain on your seat, and it can crack. My suggestion would be to take all your extra weights, and melt them down, and shape it to your seat. It will work better for you and help center the weight of the kart. Good luck.
@jeremydavis5915
@jeremydavis5915 4 жыл бұрын
I was having that issue when I got my kart. Found the bottom bracket for motor mount had been over tightened over time and wasn't straight and would loosen up.
@mft2323
@mft2323 4 жыл бұрын
don't get down when i first started my first 3 weeks were terrible, messed up engine the first race, had i guy tear off my carb and exhaust pipe the second, and was landed on my 3rd,but it got better it took me about 2 years before i started smoking everybodys butt and be consistant, of course, i built my own engines, trial and error, but i got good at that too, so keep diggin you'll get there good luck
@mr67barracuda31
@mr67barracuda31 4 жыл бұрын
==Thank about it, you can only go up from here hang in there brother==
@hookcaptain3633
@hookcaptain3633 4 жыл бұрын
You’re getting into the corner to low which is causing you to wash up getting off.
@Synic08
@Synic08 4 жыл бұрын
If you kart you know you gotta stay low, for a normal day, that line might work, but i agree, with the slick, getting a little wide would help
@gunnartrenaryhaha
@gunnartrenaryhaha 4 жыл бұрын
Synic08 in karting your line doesn’t change based on track conditions. Use of throttle and breaking and kart setup/tires are what change . When he got passed the guy in front of him ran just as wide if not wider thanhim before he passed him he just carried a lot more speed through the corner.
@alexbrems1151
@alexbrems1151 4 жыл бұрын
In karting it’s more about tires and chassis setup he was driving it in a little to deep in the corner yea it’s a big track so you have to stay in the gas more when I race I get told slow is fast he’s doing a good job hanging with them boys down there that’s some tuff competition he’ll get better just takes seat time ..
@gunnartrenaryhaha
@gunnartrenaryhaha 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Brems where do you race at?
@CensoredFreedom615
@CensoredFreedom615 4 жыл бұрын
If you're loose, you can take a little weight off the front and put it back. If you cam move your seat back a small fraction, it makes a big change in handling
@stephenasmith1591
@stephenasmith1591 4 жыл бұрын
You need to stay wide and come down 👇 INTO the corners. The straighter the faster! Are there any tracks close to you that you can go practice on any day of the week?
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Stephen A Smith There’s an asphalt track that’s open for testing all the time, but I’m not sure if that would help me on dirt 🤷‍♂️
@tomsherwood1819
@tomsherwood1819 4 жыл бұрын
I raced karts on asphalt I'm not a dirt expert put when it comes to karts I'm sure you use the same lines..I would assume you would back up the corner alittle more on dirt..diamining the corner is where u get momentum..but I know you naturally wanna protect the inside..just remember they have to have a wheel at your back wheel before you have to give up your line it's there job to get it from you..keep your head up seat time is everything.. p.s I wish they would move those tires in then maybe people wouldn't have to be so ruff to gain a spot..
@stephenasmith1591
@stephenasmith1591 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joiner1056 yes im not sure that would help much. But you are doing great for someone new, get seat time and work on your line. The less turning you have to do you faster you will be. I believe Mr. Dave is more than capable of getting you the right set up, good luck and don't give up bud you got this!!
@cliftonshomeimprovements7971
@cliftonshomeimprovements7971 4 жыл бұрын
The tracks went like that you didn't take some air out of your right front
@joshking686
@joshking686 4 жыл бұрын
Just a little advice, when you go into the corner and the kart feels like it’s gonna break loose burp the throttle and then get back on it. It will make your time a little quicker than just driving it in and getting loose then bogging the engine. But you are doing very well
@BrianBeamers
@BrianBeamers 4 жыл бұрын
Joshua... dont you dare give up!
@Mark-zi2og
@Mark-zi2og 4 жыл бұрын
Chin up! I hate to be cliche but, “that’s racing”. Hang in there and control what you can control.
@jameyhowell9305
@jameyhowell9305 4 жыл бұрын
Hey my brother I think you need the dirt Daddy to come on over there and work on your cart to get you right there give yall a little more wisdom we love your videos be blessed in jesus name
@mattmurawski7308
@mattmurawski7308 4 жыл бұрын
I like the like the s10 doing a little drift 0:59
@jamesmccardie1854
@jamesmccardie1854 4 жыл бұрын
Keep your chin up were all hear for ya
@ohiooutdoors4087
@ohiooutdoors4087 4 жыл бұрын
I have been at the track at 10am and didn’t leave till 2am
@jamesandannschmitt6835
@jamesandannschmitt6835 4 жыл бұрын
Check the square and tracking of the rear axle?
@awg6397
@awg6397 4 жыл бұрын
When we ran karts we had a Capps engine...that thing was a hoss
@pryce0312
@pryce0312 4 жыл бұрын
Need to get hooked up with a good tire program Jamie Knopf Pink Magic very helpful and knowledgeable
@ol998
@ol998 3 жыл бұрын
I race with Jamie and he’s a good dude but his prep isn’t all that great and it’s extremely overpriced.
@whiteymanngogh4489
@whiteymanngogh4489 4 жыл бұрын
Turn four looks brutal! And two!!!
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
WMG ! It definitely got choppy as the night went on, but to be fair to the track, it rained all day Friday and most of the morning on Saturday. Thanks for watching!
@470Greg
@470Greg 4 жыл бұрын
Keep charging man! You'll get there. Love the vids.
@liloj5569
@liloj5569 4 жыл бұрын
So with starting the kart your use a rip cord if u look around there is a thing u can buy u put it were the rip code was it’s just a easy way to start one of them also try to lower your seat
@turtleboxguitars3796
@turtleboxguitars3796 4 жыл бұрын
You'll get'm next time! God bless!!!
@bren-xmotorsports55
@bren-xmotorsports55 4 жыл бұрын
Still looks like a lot of fun though
@dylandinsmoor4498
@dylandinsmoor4498 4 жыл бұрын
Are u going up to Atlantic City indoor race on Hoosier tires
@chadjennings2086
@chadjennings2086 3 жыл бұрын
Get u some Crystal that they put on light poles that will keep u stuck to the track that's what we used to put on our go kart tires
@chadturner6758
@chadturner6758 4 жыл бұрын
Thats got to be one of the ruffest tracks ive ever seen
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Chad Turner It definitely got choppy as the night went on, but to be fair to the track, it rained all day Friday and most of the morning on Saturday. Thanks for watching!
@stevenbowen4865
@stevenbowen4865 4 жыл бұрын
ALWAYS have an extra chain... once it jumps one time always throw it away and change it
@jordankinley8261
@jordankinley8261 4 жыл бұрын
You have to much gear. That’s why the chain keeps coming off!! Don’t sand the tires either. Prep then during the week and wipe them a couple times at the track!
@tobytroxell1120
@tobytroxell1120 4 жыл бұрын
You should bring your car and your brothers car to lake Cumberland and ponderosa speedways this year...I believe they are planning some big crate late model races this year and they have some nice paydays for the supers...it’d be really cool to see you guys there...I’m just a fan of racing and your page but figured I’d those tracks to you guys..there my local tracks here in somerset it..hope to see you guys!!
@Qman3speed
@Qman3speed 2 жыл бұрын
@Hunt The Front I've raced karts since I was 5 years old, word of advice a loose kart is fast let the track come to you, if you make a change because of a wet track your going to struggle and be tight when it bites up
@markworthington7579
@markworthington7579 3 жыл бұрын
Damn them corners are rough
@u-genefabricationmachine4725
@u-genefabricationmachine4725 4 жыл бұрын
come on JOJO go show him how to hunt that front lol hang in there bud you will get them SEAT TIME is key
@williambrooks4461
@williambrooks4461 4 жыл бұрын
Stay at it you got a nice setup it’ll come around for y’all love the vids
@treym9180
@treym9180 4 жыл бұрын
Y’all need to get some Goat and the torch out. Then you’ll be locked down.
@sprintcardriver8
@sprintcardriver8 4 жыл бұрын
A propane torch works amazing with prep in colder temps a must have
@travharrell1713
@travharrell1713 4 жыл бұрын
torching the tires is illegal and HIGHLY dangerous
@shanestacks8734
@shanestacks8734 4 жыл бұрын
@@travharrell1713 no it’s not I’ve raced since I was 3
@rossracing6433
@rossracing6433 4 жыл бұрын
Are there any kart tracks around you where they run treaded tires? The treads make things a lot more fun cause you can slide the kart around more - more like a car. Plus they don't require nearly as much prep and maintenance. I used to run a whole season on one set of tires.
@bccratemotoradventures2485
@bccratemotoradventures2485 4 жыл бұрын
Stay at persistence will pay off
@dv23gaming56
@dv23gaming56 4 жыл бұрын
R u gonna run the winter kart nationals? Practice is Friday the 10th and the race is on the 11th? It’s 300 laps $5,000 to win at east bay raceway
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
DV23 GAMING Wish we could, but I have plans with the family this weekend. Sounds like an awesome event!
@ronvonbon
@ronvonbon 4 жыл бұрын
sorry bout your misfortunes, keep at it, we support ya.
@jaywalker6928
@jaywalker6928 4 жыл бұрын
bud let'er eat , never lift it takes half ahh lap to get your speed back up ,, just keep'her pinned ... gotta find that sweet spot ,you know that thin razor line between control and out of control, well thats the winning line ,, good luck next time ,great vids
@brandonharris5613
@brandonharris5613 4 жыл бұрын
Keep your head up buddy and hang in there. It happens to the best of us. Give me a ring if I can help. I see a few things that are problems but I understand how people feel about listening to others, racers lie all the time. Would love to come and race there with you guys one day. May check the race schedule and come race with you guys one weekend and help u guys out.
@frallo5410
@frallo5410 4 жыл бұрын
You boys should come race at The Original Speedway park in Fruitland park, Fl. on Feb. 1st its our first race of the season
@Joiner1056
@Joiner1056 4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Hudson Not sure if we’ll make it down there in the 1st, but we’re definitely gonna make it that way soon. That track is actually closer for Mr. Dave than Callahan.
@frallo5410
@frallo5410 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joiner1056 we have a website that has the current race season if you want a look at all the race dates
@YoLo-dc1uy
@YoLo-dc1uy 4 жыл бұрын
Track had no grip and nieither did your tires. A set punching in the 30 range on the duro.. would have fired off and been bighten. Fts 10oz of FTS black bite(grip), 2-4ozs of TracTac BTGP(softens), 4oz. Of Hotlap 2(to fire the tires off), mixed with 4oz. Of akrysol.. wipe the tires 3 times on Monday, again on Tuesday, and 2 coats on Wednesday night. Then use on race night applying just a coat with time to flash. Just before you go out. Then read tire to see if it's bitting or if they a slipping (shinny looking)
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