New York Central Steam Tier List

[@GMan9029]

To clarify, I put the Shay in F Tier as a joke. Realistically I’d put the Shay in either B or C Tier, it’s fine it’s just…so cursed looking lmao.

[@west_side_9]

Shut.

[@daveshockwave8098]

the shay is not that cursed the 4-2-4s, 4-4-0s, and the one 0-4-4t inspection thingys were cursed

[@PetersamStudios622]

@@daveshockwave8098 you mean those coach hybrids?

[@daveshockwave8098]

@@PetersamStudios622 yeah those, they were odd

[@jordandorsett3106]

​@@daveshockwave8098 , They are called Steam Motors or Railmotors

[@Railman1225]

2:23 Don't forget, 6721 took a runaway covered hopper to the smokebox, saving the passenger station from a direct impact, and even had its tender prop the building up, keeping it from collapsing!! Very chad steamer moment there.

[@amtrakproductions-mx9ib]

In my opinion the 0-6-0s are going in S tier

[@mikestudioz216]

When was this???

[@Flutronko]

The fact you put what could be the paint scheme equivalent of a chocolate covered strawberry over *THE 20TH CENTURY LIMITED* takes some balls of steel my man. Take my sub.

[@GMan9029]

Lmao thanks man!

[@Mcnibbus]

So who’s here watching this knowing that 3001 will run again

[@MarckbryanBalang]

Me

[@leeloolab]

Me

[@sebstraintime]

Me

[@sonyamcclellan1]

Me

[@mikestudioz216]

I

[@colonelsection5821]

Fun fact there is one remnant of the NYC Hudson and its the tender that survived to preservation, if a non profit organization build a brand new NYC Hudson from the rails up, there could be a potential it could be a streamline or non streamline, but one can dream that a new NYC Hudson will be build in the not to distant future. One Can Dream.......

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

0:04 I love how you used James Coffey's NYC song from I Love Toy Trains.

[@GMan9029]

Yep lol, I love his music.

[@genesisrailfan1507]

Personally for me and no offense, but the 4-6-6t is probably unique and borderline underrated. It's just essentially a downsized take on a Hudson as a tank engine and it's big boiler and cylinders is what it makes it. I heard that one of the engines does 20 coaches beating the Pacific's on a daily basis.

[@GMan9029]

Nah I don’t hate them, they’re alright locomotives, I just don’t care for them.

[@Pensyfan19]

Very well made video! This is some of the greatest editing I've ever seen for an iceberg list, especially with the seamless transitions between Train Sim clips and with great background music. Despite being a fan of the Pennsy (albeit with their named misspelled in my username), I've always been a fan of all American railroads, especially those as famous as the Central, and I've also had a knack for some of their lesser known engines such as the moguls, P&LE mikados and B&A tank engines. Thanks for the info on some of the Central's greatest steam engines!

[@GMan9029]

Thanks! I’m considering a PRR Tier list in the future as I’m also a big Pennsy fan, I just like the NYC more cause home road.

[@09JDCTrainMan]

Solid list, I agree with much of it, especially the Mohawks and Niagaras. The Mohawks were amazing and I too love them (probably my favorite NYC steamer, especially the L-3a) and I'm so glad you didn't overrate the Niagaras. While the Niagaras were undoubtedly fantastic, I wouldn't call them the ultimate steam locomotive either, so I agree with you there.

[@GMan9029]

Yeah I don’t get the whole ultimate steam locomotive title, they were great no question, but not THAT great.

[@sonyamcclellan1]

Um the L-1-2-3 class’s Goated🔥🔥🔥🥶🥶🥶

[@GeneralLiuofBoston1911]

I didn't know I needed this until I saw it come up in my recommendations. It's 2an, but my trainbrain says I must watch this to the end.

[@Iliketrains170]

The FWRHS is restoring 3001! First of the central to run in over 60 years! :D

[@Flight-wo6jn]

The timing on the drop for TDID sent me, good stuff.

[@mikestudioz216]

14:02 I’d call the P&LE Berkshires Buffalos. Mainly due to the fact they look like Buffalos while looking at them head-on

[@ITALY789]

In my opinion, I love the Niagara’s, but I think the reason they called them “ultimate” is because they went head to head with the new F design diesels. And the Traualtares were close, but the steam engines were just too expensive

[@SilverBand7]

New York Central and Pizza Tower is a combo I didn’t know I needed.

[@GustavoCunha-gx8gt]

8:05 they scrapped my fav nyc train what the hell 😭😭😭😭

[@DaylightProductions2023]

That Shay Joke was absolutely hilarious in my opinion, Outstanding work man, Your Channel is so underrated in my opinion, Keep up the Good work, My man!

[@berkshire4607]

Fun fact. The 0-8-0 Switchers are a common sight in Lionel O Gauge Starter Sets

[@GMan9029]

Yeah I know many people who have starter sets with 0-8-0’s

[@vicdoesgaming7570]

Hey I have one of those!

[@berkshire4607]

@@vicdoesgaming7570 Same. Which version do you have?

[@vicdoesgaming7570]

@@berkshire4607 an older one (2009/2010 era) Lionel lines little smoke and tender air whistle thing Just a cute little engine that struggles to pull scale cars

[@berkshire4607]

@@vicdoesgaming7570 mine's is from the Pennsylvanian Flyer Set

[@evangaines2303]

Alfred E Pearlman: I WANT THAT STEAM ENGINE!!!!! Sir Topham Hatt: Pearlman, shut up.

[@GMan9029]

LET ME GET OUT MY CHAINSAW!!!

[@santafewarbonnetproductions]

@@GMan9029 "whats a steam locomotive?"

[@Drif19]

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BARRY I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU SAY THAT AGAIN!

[@Championhaulproductions3672]

Dr Richard beeching: I’m gonna pretend that insane Pearlman just gonna go and Ermmm, destroy the railway in Britain

[@coldwar1952]

This is typical foamer internet BS - Learn the actual history and events

[@michaelmeliambro5117]

I'm very glad you gave both the F-12 Class Ten-Wheelers and the K-11 Pacifics the attention they deserve, mainly bcuz I've spent my whole life in Brewster, where the Putnam Division once terminated. I even have a book devoted entirely to NYC steam on both the Putnam AND the Harlem that includes both these classes, among others like the B&A Hudsons that were transferred to the Harlem after WWII. It might just be wishful thinking on my part, but I do also think at least one of the K-11's could've been saved; specifically, #4549, which is known to have pulled the last regularly-scheduled steam-powered train on the Harlem in late 1952 before being scrapped. Occasionally, you might also have seen them on freight trains like the 'Rutland Milk' just as they originally did before the first Mohawks arrived on NYC, often while running at 60 MPH on the double-track line from North White Plains.

[@anthony3246]

I love the ten wheelers too! Been reading up about the old put at my local library

[@trainnerd25]

J3a superhudsons with the centipede tender and the disc drivers are chefs kiss

[@jasonanderson6583]

finally another person who likes the empire state express Hudson's as much as me

[@ShenandoahValleyrailfan1218]

Well done video and living on the the former Michigan central line. Also yes the Hudson’s are s tier because there based so great video

[@newhavenrails1234]

Beautiful shots! I love it!

[@tylergreen4843]

Very nice video, and I also like the pacifcs, most notably the one that pulled the cardinal train. Edit: I also love the Shays the new york central had, someone might kitbash a lionel 2 truck shay into that someday, you never know

[@austinbrodzinski4444]

Well, the NE-2 mallets (2-6-6-2) worked the coal fields of Ohio and served very well. I live along the former NYC Alliance Branch in Bergholz, and these beautiful mallets were referred to as "Minerva Mallets" since they were based out of Minerva, not far up the line from Bergholz. A mallet and an H-10 Mikado doubleheaded would handle 100 loaded coal hoppers on northbound trains. Anyway, my two cents, they're B tier on my list

[@GMan9029]

Yeah I know about the NE-2’s, I just lumped them in with the others cause imo, they weren’t really noteworthy. Still good locomotives though and I’ve seen pics of them.

[@CalvinJobbs-ib5ef]

My Dad grew up in Cadiz. He told me stories about the NYC Malleys. Also told me about the W&LE/NKP Malleys also and how you could see them both at Dillonvalle if you played your cards right

[@brussellsprout-sn7bk]

funny how you noticed the booster truck on the IHB 0-8-0 first and not the 3rd cylinder and Gresley conjugated valve gear, those things were absolute beasts

[@GMan9029]

The more you know lmao.

[@brussellsprout-sn7bk]

lmao yea

[@anotherHelldiver]

Yeah,It’s hard not to love the Mohawks. Probably one of my top 3 Favorite steamers. Plus,There’s the nostalgia from that one Old KZbin series.

[@juice_box182]

The Commodore Vanderbilt kinda reminds me of Snowpiercer from the tv series

[@michaelbenitez539]

I know this might sound weird, but if I ever did a Locomotive Tier List, it would be in the form of Top Gear's "Cool Wall" to give it more flair

[@TheRealLocoBrutha]

Honestly, I love the 20th Century Limited so I was surprised that you ranked it A Tier. However, I can’t complain about the Empire State Express being ranked S Tier.

[@GMan9029]

Trust me I love the 20th Century Limited, I just prefer the ESE cause of how much nicer it looks imo.

[@TheRealLocoBrutha]

@@GMan9029I can’t disagree with you there. However, I do think the Niagara locomotives deserve S Tier but I respect your opinion.

[@THEFINALHAZARD]

You and I have different opinions on the 20th(E for me) and the Mercury(S for me), I will honestly say that when I think NYC, I don't think of the Hudson classes actually! I think of the Niagara every time Though I will 100% agree on the ESE Hudson

[@Alcofoamer]

For the smaller locomotives, I would have liked to have seen them broken up by individual class, such as individually ranking the F-12 and F-82 for example. There was definitely enough variation in those wheel arrangements to make interesting comparisons.

[@GMan9029]

Yeah I originally wanted to do that but I didn’t want to over crowd the list with tons of engine variations. I made the exception for the pacifics cause those I have varying thoughts on, unlike the F class which I feel about the same for all of them.

[@D51_YT]

Cool tier list!

[@goldgamercommenting2990]

I enjoy all forms of J3 Hudsons they are great There’s actually one tender of a Hudson preserved in Scranton as the soul remaining piece of a Hudson I also enjoy the 20th century limited but unfortunately it’s in A tier but hey…. If a Hudson gets S tier, the remaining fleet including the Dreyfuss Hudsons gets S tier since these Hudsons get their streamlining on and off all the time

[@angusbouchard]

The Shay joke was perfect, however I am curious as to what locos you’re using in Trainz and where you got them. I recognize a few as the work of K&L Trainz, but some are different and I’m curious as to where to got them. I know I’m essentially asking for a lot with this, but these videos are where I go to find new locos to search the download station for. Anywho, great video man, solid ratings!

[@cdangelo1843]

Can you do this with these other railroads: -Southern Pacific -Union Pacific -Santa Fe -Norfolk and Western -Nickel Plate Road -Pennsylvania Railroad -Western Maryland

[@GMan9029]

N&W and PRR are planned, I may also do SP.

[@jclassfan]

P&LE Berk best Berk. Personally, I'd move the 4-6-6Ts to A tier, but I'm also biased as heck towards them (thanks K-Line).

[@GMan9029]

O gauge simp ;]

[@cykablyatman6242]

nah, the 765, 1225, and 2716 are the best berks

[@CoopStrasburgfan]

The Indiana and Harbor belt 0-8-0's just remind me of Rivarossi. And that's a great thing, love em

[@RocketStephen618]

Overall, I agree about 50/50, but very nice video!!

[@GMan9029]

Thanks! What would you change?

[@phroogo...]

The absolute SIZE of the articulates' cylinders: 18:44

[@GMan9029]

They were T H I C C

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

Few people know worldwide steam but to see a world wide randition of this would be EPIC!!!! Its hard to do steam since some engines are so specielized its almost to a degree were you may have to break a list down by task, but....

[@tatecarlson]

I’m not sure if you know about this but the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society recently acquired several historic passenger cars that were originally used on the Empire State Express

[@GMan9029]

Believe me, I'm very well aware

[@tatecarlson]

I also find it quite ironic that the FWRHS got New York Central rolling stock, when the New York Central was a rival to the NYC&St. L (Nickel Plate)

[@jeromeandrews4926]

That was a really great video. Do you think you can do on for Santa Fe steam locomotives. That would be fantastic!

[@GMan9029]

Possibly, I’m not a Santa Fe fan but I may do more Tier Lists in the future.

[@jeromeandrews4926]

Can't wait!

[@RRD7470]

Where did you get the Mohawk model from or is it custom content?

[@ShinGhidorah17]

14:00 I REALLY like the design of this locomotive. I think it looks cool.

[@samadsyed4003]

Honestly, I can agree that the 0-8-0s are really nice

[@CoopStrasburgfan]

Rivarossi made me like them❤

[@skydive7054]

i absolutely love atlantic type locomotives

[@GMan9029]

Atlantics are alright but I just don't care about the NYC ones.

[@skydive7054]

@@GMan9029 Ah. That shay tho looks so cool imp, im trying to find more info about them

[@warriorpredator128]

Ever thought of doing tier lists for european steam engines (example: french, british, bulgarian and serbian (former yugoslavian) steam locos)?

[@Its_Trainz_Time]

The Indiana Harbor Belt 0-8-0s were CHONKY, rumored to be more powerful than even the road's fleet of Mikados, they definitely earned their nickname of "Super Switchers".

[@tylergreen4843]

15:07 where is that whistle from? It sounds amazing!❤

[@GMan9029]

It's from K&L's Erie/Susquehanna russian decs. It's an actual NYC 5 chime from what I've seen.

[@mikestudioz216]

Where’d you get the Trainz New York Central A-2 Buffalo?

[@pokebreeder2517]

also can you do other railways like norfolk and western, union pacific, Pennsylvania etc?

[@CSXNSBEREa]

The depot at 4:20 is on the very busy Chicago line for Norfolk southern in Cleveland

[@Railman1225]

Just something I want to mention coming back here: although yes, those specific streamlined Hudsons pulled the _train_ known as the 20th Century Limited, technically the locomotives themselves are known as Dreyfuss Hudsons, named after the man who designed their streamlined shroud, Henry Dreyfuss. And of course, right after, _you say their name._ Nevermind, then!

[@Thattrainguy4334]

I am the 1000th sub

[@angustams2598]

In general I think it’s a really good video too, and for the most part, I can agree with your rankings Those are private Kitbashes aren’t they?

[@GMan9029]

Yes

[@angustams2598]

@@GMan9029 I personally want to learn how to kitbash but no one has showed me how to yet, it looks like the most difficult goddamn thing.

[@OwenSaxton-g4z]

I bet you were super excited to learn that 3001 is getting restored😊 Im happy too but you mentioned it was one of your favorite engines, so i thought I'd mention it 😉

[@jaysverrisson1536]

Not enough love for the 999 here! It was the apex of late 19th century polished elegance and beautiful like a greyhound. If they ever build any new Hudsons, they should build a new 999 as a companion engine--complete with its spidery 86" drivers. (There's really not enough of the original left in the carcass of the 999 on display in Chicago to be worth restoring.) As for the Niagras, I get that they were fine machines, but the smokeboxes are faceless and utilitarian-looking. No personality!

[@dangerboyproductions1223]

Here's funny fact: somebody call the nyc a2s as NYC buffalos because they said they look a lot like buffalos just sayin btw

[@mod2966]

yoo i js wanted to ask, how were you able to get the fin off of the K&L hudson? Im tryna make the Empire State express and im having some trouble with it.

[@Tanked.Up_Engine1]

where did you find that 999 model for trainz? asking for a friend here :>

[@KatyPacific382]

I think one of those new york central 2-8-0s is preserved, but supposedly as santa fe 2522. Originally it was New York Central 2976, a 2-8-0

[@brirobinson5055]

The rexall train is a stream lined Mohawk so I thought it would be higher

[@0759trainz]

You should do a B&O steam locomotive tier list

[@mosaic6225]

good list, all i think i'd really disagree with is the atlantics being so low (i personally really like how modernized atlantics look)

[@stevenbaran1431]

Question? why Not Put #999 In at least A Rank It was the first to break 100 Mph Record 112 Mph To Be Exact just Wondering ?

[@GMan9029]

I’m not a huge fan of Atlantic’s plus the claim it reached 100 mph is dubious.

[@09JDCTrainMan]

The 999 being the first to hit 100 mph isn't official, same can be said about the City Of Truro. Officially, the Flying Scotsman was the first to hit 100 mph.

[@CSXNSBEREa]

The picture at 4:20 in the video is at posted falls Ohio and is close to Cleveland my home city and the depot in the background still stands and is a model railroad club witch I am a part of.

[@RaisedLetter]

I was pretty much just here waiting to see what he said about the Niagara's. If you can't put the Diesel's most formidable opponent in S Tier, you have a screw loose. It was the best that steam could offer and while it fell short, no Hudson or Mohawk could have put as much into that trial like the Niagaras did.

[@GMan9029]

@@RaisedLetter I agree the Niagara’s are impressive machines, but the truth is the diesels were cheaper to operate. And tbh I didn’t take into account performance for this tier list, it was more so just how much I liked an engine, which I like the Hudson’s and Mohawks more than the Niagara’s.

[@jakeford12]

The nyc Shays are interesting, kind of wish there was more info on them.

[@Bud-uz1bw]

i understand why you like the empire hudson, but for me i would swap the empire with the gray hudson

[@GMan9029]

Hey that's totally fine! You do you.

[@Bud-uz1bw]

@@GMan9029 I see why you picked the empire Hudson though but for me the simpler gray Hudson for me though

[@msornelas146]

I'm thinking of making a tier list on my favorite union Pacific steam engines.

[@GMan9029]

Go for it!

[@msornelas146]

You know what, maybe you can make one.

[@jordandorsett3106]

I respect your opinion I like all of the NYC Locomotives 🚂 but my most favourite HAS TO BE THE STAINLESS STEEL EMPIRE STATE EXPRESS that and the NYC Mercury and The Mohawks and the Especially the Rexall Train Are S for me

[@pokebreeder2517]

hot an honest second if you had put the vanderbelt low i would lost it as it is one of my favorites XD

[@DUBMANS]

Im curious are some of the trainz models private?

[@spaguettoltd.7933]

Wow. Mr bigballs. Very impressive

[@GMan9029]

Big Dick Energy moment

[@ryancoplen6207]

This might just be me but the streamlining on the mercury looks like something out of the 2005 robots movie…

[@DovregubbenProductions-vn3vy]

I like the Mohawks and Niagaras the most.

[@NHNProductionsYT]

Where did you get the B&A and PL&E Berkshires? Just curious because I have my own in trainz.

[@GMan9029]

They were upgrades I made, they can’t be released

[@NHNProductionsYT]

@@GMan9029 oh nice job!

[@Pinkgirl_03]

Were did you get the B&A berkshire?

[@CrimsonFilms.]

I love the 0-6-0 Switchers

[@kaseyleitchnextgen3281]

Surprising nothing even went into E.

[@TheOklahomaHotrail]

Nice tier

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

999 is how tall it is in half inches, it's always at a slight list left or right depending on photo

[@TheGeorgiaRailfanner]

Where did you get the mohawk

[@SouthernKansasRailfan]

Where did the A-2 come from?

[@bitzbpz]

Question is the P&LE berk private if not where could I find it?

[@GMan9029]

It’s no longer available sadly, it was from Colorado71

[@bitzbpz]

@@GMan9029 aw rip there one of my favorite berks

[@TroublesomeSlateTruck]

Good Job.

[@kaedenthecsxamtrakandthoma8318]

7:11 I like the streamlined ones way better

[@ricksadler797]

Cool video thank you

[@jachymchyna7023]

Hi, where did you get that "baby Niagara" please?

[@GMan9029]

No longer available sadly, it was on Colorado71’s website but got pulled along with all his other payware.

[@jachymchyna7023]

@@GMan9029 oh... but thanks

[@tregriffith7084]

I was jamming to the ILTT song

[@mmanisr22]

Nice video and I agree with almost everything except I would swap the 20th Century LTD and the Rexall train. Blue does not go on a steam locomotive and the gray is nice

[@GMan9029]

So basically the Rexall would be higher than the 20th, which contradicts your statement lol.

[@PatrioticCoservativeAmerican]

How many NYC steam locomotives are preserved?

[@Jeisr4207-bc5ui]

5

[@mikeytrains1]

Having been trying to get into kitbashing myself for a while now-what model did you use for the K5B if that’s something you slapped together? I’m looking to get started on something lol

[@GMan9029]

I used the southern Ps-4 from K&L, I made some of the custom meshes

[@mikeytrains1]

@@GMan9029 Roger bud lol Btw-do you take commissions for kitbashes at all?

[@GMan9029]

@@mikeytrains1 no

[@mikeytrains1]

@@GMan9029 noted!!!!!

[@YosYos-fr2cm]

Bro you got some balls of steel for the 20th century lol I know everyone’s saying that

[@Someyungrebel]

Where in the bloody hell did you get all these amazing trainz locos. K&l and the forge can’t have all these bad bous

[@GMan9029]

-The L2 Mohawk can be found on The Maple Leaf Depot -The Hudson’s & Niagara are from K&L (I kitbashed the Empire State and the J1's though) -The K5 and Heavy Mike are kitbashes of K&L's SOU Ps-4 -The 999 is from TidmouthYard3D -The B&A and P&LE berks are upgrades of Colorado71's old payware models (no longer available) Anything I kitbashed/upgraded cannot and will not be given out sadly.

[@streamlinede6]

Is the empire state express private, if not, where can i find it?

[@GMan9029]

Private model, although the parts will eventually be released in the future.

[@henrydemyan]

What routes are you using?

[@manda60]

Not mentioning the largest group on the Central- the class U 0-8-0s - seems uh... like a choice.