newjeans is not that original and illit is not plagiarizing them

[@christa0chellew]

Also a commentary on the movies that are inspiration for New Jeans: liking those movies as a critique of the topics they present because those topics are horrific and you can find beauty is something awful is COMPLETELY different to glamorizing the aesthetic

[@foivechan]

All this goes to show , people will always find excuses just to drag a group no matter the evidence available.

[@entlerose5917]

Not the mxm at the end 😂😂😂you are so real for that🤩

[@foivechan]

@@entlerose5917 😌

[@Justsomegir]

Yeah i agree people will always find something to use and drag and hate a group. But this might be off topic. During this whole thing i kept seeing people saying that if they had gone for a girl crush or hip hop concept that nobe of these would have happened. But what i keep saying in response to that is that either way illit would have gotten the short end of the stick, because they would have been accused of trying to copy blackpink or baby monster. I just feel sad for the girls

[@foivechan]

@@Justsomegir people were already hating the group because the show was rigged so no matter the concept they went for , they would have received some form of hate

[@Justsomegir]

​@@foivechanyes that was also the main reason. But the thing is every survival show has this same reaction of it was rigged and over time with newer fans people just forgot about it. like see produce 48, girls planet e.t.c. Also i don't know if i phrased it well, but I'm not disagreeing with you,

[@addy8078]

The Weeekly comparison was insane 😂 I was trying to explain this to a MHJ stan once that the only you see so many similarities is because you’re looking for them!!! If you gave me any 2 girl groups and a few hours I could edit together a convincing video claiming one copied the other! With good examples

[@MinimaTheWarrior]

Does dreamcatcher have similarities to older groups as well? Genuinely just curious not wanting to start anything btw

[@HopeeInk]

I’ll never understand how stans let that woman always get way with stuff, since her days in SM. Like y‘all ignore that woman’s weird and questionable inspirations for New Jeans concept, visuals and even lyrics. Now you gonna really ignore her committing literal felonies?? Again she gets away with *literal* criminal activities, let that sink in.

[@akedyy4299]

SPILL it annoys me so much that woman is still working and gaining money instead of being in the jail

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Spill. I don’t gen know why hybe didn’t fire her after she made cookie or the fact she was caught with the pedophilic art in her studio when she works with minors.

[@Vyro-g12]

They let her go because they are attached to newjeans concepts and songs. Bunnies don't wanna risk losing the image of newjeans and since MHJ is their creative director, they'll obviously defend her.

[@SM-ky6pb]

I find it baffling how people are only now starting to question her more with this whole issue with hybe but NOT her questionable behavior towards newjeans and that she's kinda displaying pedophilic tendencies? I know she's been getting a lot of backlash even before this but there was still a lot who defended her up until this lawsuit with hybe blew up

[@chesiresays]

@@SM-ky6pb let’s not forget the fact that she has nüde pictures of underaged girls as decor on her own wall which she literally posted to Instagram herself

[@moonies321]

It’s the way knetz are praising MHJ like a celebrity that is bringing justice to the industry 💀 like hello she is also a problem but the way she keeps getting away with it.

[@6667-p9t]

People idolize MHJ so much that’s it’s scary to witness. I just saw today on twitter girls taking pictures with her like she’s some kind of idol

[@rosietales]

It's obvious bunnies are new kpop stans because, if you're long enough in this, you know nothing is new, nothing is original, it's all a never ending cycle. I would add another word to what kpop stans don't know the meaning of: "refreshing". Nothing in kpop is refreshing because companies will go for what sells with a couple wanting to try to go against the grain a bit and see if it works. The only reason why people stand behind MHJ is because the other side is a company and the new generation is very anti-capitalist, or at least, very anti-companies.

[@chesiresays]

I would agree but from what I’ve seen, they aren’t actually anti-companies. They literally just want to hate on a specific one, being HYBE and I think it’s connections to Bts are a big reason why. The same people I see hate on Hybe claiming they’re a evil company, although they have the cleanest record between the biggest K-pop companies are the same people who call themselves SM and JYP stans. They’re the same people that claim Hybe is sabotaging new jeans which makes no sense whatsoever since they own 80% of ador and have to spend millions just on new jeans making new music, music videos and anything that leads to a successful group.

[@rosietales]

@@chesiresays Hybe is a fairly new company so they still have to build a reputation compared to their counterparts but they are not as nice as people might think they are. A clear example is the fact they are okay with debuting groups without training them despite the money they make annually. Also, when someone calls themselves "x company" stan, it usually means they are fans of the groups that company creates, not that they like the company itself. I'm mainly a fan of SM groups but the company is a shithole and I'll never forgive them for how they treat their idols.

[@whoopthy]

I wouldn't say this is "new kpop Stan" behavior. Accusing groups of plagiarism over something extremely common can date back till 2nd gen

[@OGseoulite]

@@rosietalesHybe is NOT a new company, it’s a new monopoly for sure though

[@dokessezeaka5159]

Whenever i think of something refreshing i just think of a concept that hasn’t been done in a long time😂, that’s it

[@jadonrowe273]

I’m sorry the absolute holler I let out when you showed the weekly choreo you don’t understand when this whole entire controversy came out I said that weekly afterschool walked so newjeans could run and this really just emphasized that 😭

[@kayziofficial]

No because that choreography part ALONE cleared the choreography plagiarism allegations and what's sad is that toxic bunnies are probably gonna come across this video and claim that this is just another video sending hate to NewJeans when it's literally concrete evidence shutting down their narrative entirely

[@joniescribb5484]

I’ve been calling out NJ fans for their hypocrisy.. they’re so delusional to the point it’s crazy they refuse to understand how illit and NJ are not that similar like they try to make it be and MHJ is to blame for this they literally treat her better than the members of the group anytime someone bathmouths her guess who’s there to defend her . They literally were just taking pictures with her like she’s some type of idol it’s mad weird .

[@radiaourobodi6773]

But the thing is belift even said themselves that they got heavily inspired by nj… idk why no one talks about that

[@Choi_Odi-by6ng]

@@radiaourobodi6773 Site the source. Come on don't be shy, site the link, the video, the factual article with references that supports your claim.

[@NilynneAdeyemi]

@@radiaourobodi6773 because that's not true

[@stvrchaeee]

@@radiaourobodi6773 where's the source honey ? Obviously you brought that up outta nowhere

[@Idreamtthatiwasacat]

​@@radiaourobodi6773 We haven't forgotten about this babes. Come on Don't keep us waiting.

[@moonaestheticly8597]

Thank you for being reasonable and not just straight up pandering to whims of the toxic loudmouths. I've seen many ktubers who I respected turning around and saying "Oh well, I mean they're a bit similar..." but not actually have any evidence so they just talk in circles and repeat themselves over and over for ten to twenty minutes

[@Justsomegir]

That's the issue I had with most of these KZbinrs trying to defend Illit." Like i understand that they're trying to defend illit, and their intentions are good. However, without presenting clear and reasonable proof, their arguments end up coming across as unconvincing and actually ended up harming illit's case. With people saying see there is no proof that illit didn't copy newjeans and even so and so ktuber said that they are kind of similar.

[@moonaestheticly8597]

@@Justsomegir I was mostly talking about people talking sh*t about illit but the reverse is true as well especially if you don't take the time to actually look into the issue yourself

[@kxltte]

This is literally what Belift said in their video that everyone got mad over. I can understand that people may not listen to a company because in general every one of them suck, but at least maybe people will listen to a voice of reason via a ktuber.

[@LeoLinloeo]

People refused to listen because of the remarks they made towards the girls

[@kayziofficial]

I literally thought the same exact thing when I watched it. BeLift’s video wasn’t even that bad. Everybody just jumped on the NMIXX part and how they categorized NewJeans, which wasn’t the best way to put it, but after watching this it makes sense why they said that NewJeans is marketed to a older demographic. A older demographic that looks back on their younger days. NewJeans represents nostalgia. Look at their recent song Supernatural. Straight up 90’s new Jack swing. They are supposed to remind us of different eras and it makes sense seeing how old some of their fans are

[@kxltte]

@@kayziofficial people watched it when it didn't have subtitles yet (which was fully belifts fault) and saw different groups and were convinced that belift must be saying nj copied nmixx because why else is nmixx in the video? i still don't think it was a bad way to put it because even watching it now, them bringing up nmixx choreo is literally just what op did here but with weeekly. it also didn't help that the lack of subtitles left tokkis with full advantage to say whatever they wanted, they started spreading wrong translations and even i was convinced because korean fans were saying it. only to find out those korean fans were tokkis lol. but overall, its pointless now because the entire kpop community took the narrative and ran with it and haven't bothered to watch the video with the subtitles now that they're available.

[@kayziofficial]

@@kxltte it infuriates me so much. BeLift should have handled the video with more care, that’s obvious. But the way Bunnies, or MHJ stans I should say, have been twisting everything is just sincerely unbelievable. It hasn’t even felt right to listen to the girl’s new songs all that much. Whereas normally I’d blast them everyday. My heart hurts for ILLIT, LeSserafim, BTS, and all the other groups name dropped in this mess. I knew KPop stans were toxic but I didn’t think they would be Swiftie or Barbs level toxic lol. Arguably, worse than them. I hope ILLIT and LeSserafims comebacks coming up make everybody shut the hell up once and for all. Also, the only problem with the NMIXX part was that the choreography for Love Me Like This came out after the NewJeans choreography they claimed was similar. Which made fans think “you’re literally saying anything and not fact checking”. But even ignoring that mess up, all the other examples they used were good examples

[@kxltte]

@@kayziofficial personally, i still don't think the nmixx part is bad because the whole point of that segment was belift saying that anyone can create a narrative of plagiarism with just 2 second clips. and then put clips of nj choreo with another choreo that is the same. showing how easy it is to make up stuff like this. and also bringing up the point that nj uses beginners hip hop steps and showed different groups who use those same steps, and one of them was nmixx. they weren't actually saying that nmixx choreo is being copied because we know it wasn't being copied and like you pointed out, the song came out later. i genuinely don't think it was a mess up on belifts part, because they were right, the part they messed up in was not having subtitles. personally for me, i haven't been streaming nj since hype boy but i know a lot of armys have stopped streaming for them which hit them a little harder this last cb.

[@Nobody2060-lg2kl]

Bruh the audacity of mhj to say this while copying other artists.....

[@the_cute_bunny-w7w]

she also said BTS were copying newjeans like what ?

[@angelicacortes898]

Finally someone said it loud and clear. I love both groups, and I don't prefer one over the other. I don't have incentive to prioritize Illit over NJ, and still I've never seen any sort of ground for copying allegations. Min Heejin is nuts, and many NJ stans got really dumb over these allegations. From the music, to the styling, to the concept, they've always been different, and coincidences are bound to happen in a world like K-pop that heavily relies on trends. I know this video won't stop people from yapping nonsense, but I'm glad there's now a piece of media with strong, structured, and studied arguments countering the baseless copying claims.

[@nothx6420]

This video convinced me to stan illit.

[@yolandamgulwa4869]

THANK YOU for this video. Grown a$$ adults are literally jumping on the ILLIT hate wagon and it's so disappointing to see. I hope this drama ends soon and people stop hating on young kids

[@aSUGAaddiction]

I remember when i heard supposedly MHJ said Hitman Bang copied her for BTS' debut. I laughed outloud cuz the evidence speaks for itself. 2013 BTS...whew child.

[@sunshine-san-g4x]

@@aSUGAaddiction well, i think she said that bc she was working with exo at that time, which makes more sense, but still would be wrong. The school concept was literally everywhere in those years so it still wouldn't be a copy, like fr idk how can she claim concepts, like, none of them are original LOL

[@aSUGAaddiction]

@user-iw8me8po4d I was thinking about the fake Versace they wore but yes, you're right.

[@StickerSupremecy127]

I think its really becoming obvious that in fact min hee jin has plagiarized so many works FOR New Jeans. Bubblegum sounding like easier said than done by Shakatak beat for beat, same instrumental, same delivery. The Attention MV being similar to Christine F. The originality is really just an amalgamation of niche works. New Jeans is still cool. But ILLIT is so different, and they didnt deserve all that hate. Its depressing what they went through. Since they were so cutesy and pure i never saw a single similarity

[@mariamhesrey115]

Wow, as hard-core tokki who follow the njs girls closely and watching their live chats, I used to always find it weird that they refuse to thank HYBE despite I know how much HYBE has prompted them , when this whole thing start I couldn't not understand how illit is similar to njs but when I saw her press conference and how everyone attack BTS ,ILLIT especially lsf after the hate they already facing then seeing how other fandoms attack every HYBE G ,and knowing njs parents got involved I thought was so weird , to be honest I always find njs relationships with mhj is weird especially that video of her gifting the girls necklace while film them close up shoot you can see the girl uncomfortable, ppl forget the power inbalance at the end of day they her employee she paid them her saying that she know their young siblings and their relatives drawing her pictures as fan of them I have to take a step back a little the whole situation was too much , ironically mhj saying I don't care about money then put 5 AD in one mv was wild ride I wish njs all the best but it's mess

[@likeAflamingo-i2e]

Honestly these copy allegations are frustrating. Another group thats recently heavily hated is accused of copying babymonster, using concept photos, the member reveals (such as the red backgrounds), apperantly sound even though its not something yg will produce, a bloody dance move 🤘 and logo. Bloody hell, i actually worked in such a field so i understand the process of everything. Its absolutely ridiculous groups getting so much hate.

[@yogurtluvrrr]

bad villain is being accused of copying baemon too i think

[@likeAflamingo-i2e]

@@yogurtluvrrr just the group I was referring to! I think they have potential. And honestly, i find it ridiculous how the toxic kids are going after them

[@bunch3008]

But in that case they seriously copy bm. Even back ground music bro. It's so obvious that bm popularity is sky rocketing these days so yeah people will copy them

[@likeAflamingo-i2e]

@@bunch3008 I'll quickly run through the things where copying is ridiculous. 1. Black silhouette with red background. Gidle did that and Viviz did it. It's very common. 2. The denim photos with white background. Other groups also did it. BM isn't full on denim either. 3. This handsign🤘 was used in 2020 by Dreamcatcher Scream. It's just one move anyone can do. 4. YG won't make BM do such music. He's too stuck with BP so BM will pretty much follow that due to laziness 5. The vibe and look. This falls under what I can actually talk about. It takes years to plan, not something that's rushed (and if it is it can get sloppy very fast). Name is decided years in advance. The type of look they want for the group, the logo, the amount of members. Generally this will be likely done using a mood board to show off the vibe they look for. Again, this gets done long before a member gets introduced. Like BV has the vibe of Villains, like how they used a comic book type of look. 6. The member intro music, might agree a smidge. 7. Locations (actually had someone say they copied the locations). It's like that diner you see often or the I think stadium building thing So with the use of girl crush concept, no one owns it. But apperantly to some people because BM debuted 1st it means only they are allowed to use any of it. Also a side note, but BM doesn't need to worry about their popularity. They were popular the second they were known as a YG group and BP younger sister 🤷‍♀️

[@ana-xx6tn]

​​@@bunch3008 ok , see , i have no problem with bm and the only problem that i have with them is the fact that yg is not focus on them the way they deserve , but if we are gonna compare it shouldnt be only from one side , so lets not act like the mv of bm didnt has lot of things in commen with bp and tereasure mvs and there song too , batter up for example

[@anyameowie]

She had Dani dress as the girl that was gr00md in 1 of those shows too btw (she had her dress as Matilda Leon)

[@JiaPia3]

Wow, I never realized Illit had a such a rich lore. Kind of fucked up to be called copying when you have all that behind you.

[@Idreamtthatiwasacat]

They do. You should watch their new brand film. It explains the two world and the world tree much better.

[@rowanjoy419]

I just hate how people think every minimalist concept group = NJs, am not a fan of NJs so as an outsider I thought their concept was 2yk street juvenile, like if S.E.S and Weeekly had a baby, while this groups that I just discover Illit is totally dreamy and "pure" like a combination of Gfriend, Kara, GWSM. I think MHJ has a idea in her mind of the group that is not the one we have, this is really common happends to movie directors, book writers, what they invision is not what comes across.

[@Yointrovert]

I remember people were comparing them to f(x), 2nd gen group.

[@dewysage]

Seeing this video now after watching bunnies fight gidle fans all day because "minnie has curls but danielle had curls before her", i believe mhj has basically ruined that fandom's heads completely and they will 100% be the new version of blinks but worse since solo stanning isn't a thing for newjeans like it was for blackpink, so the fandom is much more united when fighting with other fandoms, regardless of how dumb they sound

[@Yointrovert]

I remember when RV did the bag version for their third album, bunnies were literally fighting with rv fans. Luckily, the comments were quick enough to point out that they were extremely disrespectful to the older generation and that SNSD were the first to release the bag album. In fact, I'm kind of surprised that NJ fandom quickly became toxic while blonks became toxic after 2019.

[@miadavis4837]

The funny thing about that dance move from the McDonald's Commercial is that Wooah Nana did the same move in her Queendom Puzzle Audition... and that audition was uploaded on KZbin on the same day within hours of NJ's commercial coming out. Obviously no one could have copied because Queendom Puzzle had already been filming for like a month at that point so her audition would have been filmed way before it was uploaded and NJ's commercial would have been pre-filmed as well. But how original can a move be if the same move can be seen in two Kpop related videos uploaded on the same day?

[@cloudyyybear]

You literally never miss!!! I feel like i've been going crazy trying to defend illit and they're not even a group i stan or anything. Its like everyone woke up one day and decided to be delusional about illit and min heejin in particular.

[@Hanzika-x9m]

I used to criticise international fans who used to complain about K-Netz before but now that I have more exposure and knowledge of the kpop community, I see it. K-Netz are insensitive and the kind of people to ride whatever train is coming their way first, much better when it's young and innocent kind of concept. Though International fans might not be all good. During this controversy, I saw a larger number of International fans trying to go for facts and stay neutral.

[@HiImCool2008]

knetz have always been messy especially when it comes to newjeans, istg they worship them and have some kind of hate obsession with le sserafim and illit

[@ike9032]

you might be one of the very few kpop youtubers with a brain. w/ that being said this whole situation rly made me want to root for illit. the way mhj's stans are so threatened by rookies who havent even been in the industry for half a year really makes them all look pathetic af when mhj only brought them up to distract all morons from her ACTUAL crimes. Anyways I rly look forward to illit's first comeback bc I already know everyone and their momma is gonna be tuned in LOL

[@LeoLinloeo]

Nothing about kpop is original so why are people acting shocked

[@tallglassofmilk7809]

I've always been confused how people could genuinely see illit as new jean rip offs when their concepts seem so clearly distinct to me... and when have fans started seeing starting a major trend in music as a bad thing?? I don't get why fans are mad that new jeans are influential, that seems like something to be proud of to me, not something you should try to stomp out left and right

[@Avexxie]

Unfortunately, some NJ fans are not getting a reality check 🤦‍♀

[@kurokurt5477]

People saying that they thought illit where new jeans For reall means eather they have Bad eyes / think all asians look the same or dont know anything about eather group

[@kayziofficial]

Fr like doesn’t that make them a little bit racist?

[@ZOI682]

I mean I genuinely couldn't tell because the sounds and vibes were the same

[@kurokurt5477]

Visual vise sound vise u cant if u dont listen to that genre in general​@@ZOI682

[@sumysim3245]

I get it for a newer K-pop stan, but people IN kpop not recognize that it's not the same members, that's just racism at that point.

[@detergenthwachae]

It's giving "all 4 member girl groups are Blackpink", "all 7 member boy groups are BTS" followed by "all 5 member girl groups are NewJeans"

[@dsbdaniel]

I love New Jeans and ILLIT, but I hate Min Hee Jin for doint that press conference just to bring hate to ILLIT. Girl, I've been saying this for so long. ILLIT concept is totally different from New Jeans. your Video was so necessary !! Belift Lab should hire you to post this video on their Channel.

[@Yoongi10269]

Well, I guess I'm the exception *shrugs ego* I'm clearly a bunnie, but I've never liked MHJ. Whenever she appears, I grit my teeth. This woman just scares the hell out of me, because she seems quite capable of putting girls through the worst kind of blackmail (in her lecture, I clearly saw the beginnings of a suicide blackmail and that... really scared me). I don't think Hybe is all white, but I have no problem with illit (I'm obsessed with Lucky Girl Syndrome). I always knew the New jeans concepts were inspired and you explained it very well. In itself there's nothing wrong with being inspired, but to then go on to say that you're original and superior seems very hypocritical to me. Anyway, thank you very much for this video! I hope the problems will be solved and that MHJ will lose control of the girls very quickly, because she's disturbing and belongs in a hospital rather than as CEO of an underage agency.

[@kayziofficial]

Fellow Bunnie here and I agree with you. Also, Lucky Girl Syndrome is a bop. It’s really strange to me that nobody sees how weird it is for a 40 something year old woman to be using a group of 16 to 20 year olds as emotional crutches. Like seriously, nobody batted a eye about her saying that the members called her late at night crying or about how she said Hanni wanted to come to her house and console her or that she said all of their parents were worried she was going to kill herself. That’s so off putting. This woman needs to get away from these girls immediately. I’d rather their creative direction falter than have them be emotionally manipulated and scarred from her mind games.

[@Yoongi10269]

@@kayziofficial Exactly, it was so suspicious! It was bad enough that she was showing children crying and then... Why would they be in such a state? I'll say it again but she's probably psychologically blackmailing them and that's very serious, yes, she needs to be expelled from CEO status or something. I'm glad to see a bunnie with me 😂 it feels good, and then yes Lucky Girl Syndrome is a bop!

[@loveserene]

I don’t think majority of bunnies like Min Heejin they just appreciate the creative direction of the group. And many day to day people outside the fandom has mistaken both groups for different reason. I think MHJ speaking about copying and overshadowing Illit’s debut was so sad to watch. It was also sad to know that Newjeans was working so hard on their comeback with so much uncertainty and MHJ and HYBE in their ear telling them would be their last. It just a bit disappointing see how Cheryl has never spoken about the group’s talents or success on this channel. And was so quick to call Danielle a spoiled brat for mistakenly over talking Eunchae - her commentary never comes off as unbias when speaking of Newjeans. And it sucks because I’ve been a big fan for years.

[@kayziofficial]

@@Yoongi10269 It's so hard to find bunnies who can see through that woman's bullshit. I think it's disgusting that they are completely okay with a woman to gaslight and manipulate those girls if it means that the creative direction will remain the same. It's so sad.

[@markigirl2757]

I just think Cheryl just hates Min Hee Jin which I understand why she’s pretty sus. Illit already had a small loud group of haters and they spear headed the hate bc of this “playergism” as fuel and I doubt it will end any time soon. It doesn’t help that their company made a cringey video about their defense when they can just sue MHJ and actually show they aren’t trying to be similar lol. They were able to make Enhyphen distinctive from txt and bts I wished they did the same with Illit. Their songs are good but i definitely think they should promote them to Japan and Korea and stay away from international fans bc they are the main haters and we are not forgiving with groups that can’t sing lol

[@valentinaml]

I feel like all of this would've been avoided if Illit had just debuted with different colored hair 😭

[@Agnesyuncolibri]

Yesterday wonhee went live for her bday with moka and iroha.. it seems it actually dyed their hairs. Iroha is blonde now and minju/yunah weren't there so, it makes me believe they got new haircolors too :o

[@anyameowie]

lol that’s so sad tho 😭

[@eggssspo]

omg ive been think about this so much. If iroha had like pink hair maybe minju had blonde or something,, this seriously wouldnt have blown out of proportion

[@alix4256]

I was thinking the same! I feel like in kpop it was rare (or at least not the norm) to see fully healthy hair for a whole group before New Jeans which left an impression, and so when Illit also debuted with the same hair people saw more similarities than were actually there

[@aisha1892]

@@Agnesyuncolibriit lowkey made me sad bcs their healthy hair looked so good😢 they probably changed it bcs of mhj...

[@lovelyseo.18]

Girl you should work with belift to debunk that woman. Ugh facts left right and centre's. Love your work here

[@stvrchaeee]

The thing is between NewJeans and Illit's choregraphies, you can only find similarities when you're very clearly looking for them.

[@akedyy4299]

It makes me sad that Illit got so much hate in a short span of time. Their vocals are weak and the line up was rigged but still this is too much. They were hated even before debut for the lineup and those “copied” allegations and Mhj drama made it worse. Almost everyone is thinking they copied that “nonexisted original” concept😒 Also can we talk about how bunnies becoming worse and worse every day😃 They are almost on par with blinks who are the most toxic and delusional fandom…

[@Khadija_027]

Ikr bunnies are turning delusional and toxic

[@zilliaz5458]

even the vocal thing is not even that valid they are not worse than many other groups vocally but get way more hate. and no the line up isn't rigged belift just decided to pick most of the members which they weren't really hiding. but yea all this hate has really shown the worst side of bunnies

[@akedyy4299]

@@zilliaz5458 let’s not lie to ourselves 🥹 Saying they have weak vocals is not a bad thing, i am sure they gonna be better some day. Also lineup was rigged too. Jiwoo not debuting and Wonhee being first are the proof. Sad but truth☹️ And obliviously it’s not girls fault

[@usagicore]

i almost feel like bunnies are worse.. at least blink seemed to care somewhat about blackpink’s wellbeing as a group. i can’t tell you how many times i’ve seen bunnies call people “haters” just for raising concerns about the wellbeing of the girls. i always considered kpop stans to be a bit overly protective of idols, so i was very surprised to see how many bunnies would blame the girls for the situation they’re in, while asking fans to simply shut up & look the other way if we think they’re being mistreated. the cookie scandal brought out a bad side of the fandom that i can never unsee, sadly. i’d never been in a fan community that would ask others to never care or worry about the idol. it’s rare to see instances like this where the “haters” seem to care more about the girls than the fans do.

[@zilliaz5458]

@@akedyy4299 not saying the vocals are strong, but they are not as weak as people try to make it seems if you watched r u next you know that . Jiwoo should have debuted imo but only number 1 and 2 was based on votes which was Wonhee and Youngseo. Wonhee being rigged there is literally zero proof of that she was clearly very popular just not in the west. The rigged claim is not true just people can't accept the label choose who would fit the intended concept and that is not rigging they were not hiding it

[@YohBeriiBunnx]

The thing that comes to mind to me is just that it's the same old story of pinning girls against one another, while we should celebrate concepts like NJ and Illit. I really love both of their music and I don't want to see either of them disband over stuff like this :(

[@vivianledesma4579]

What I found offensive was the reference to Lisa Lopes’ car accident which led to her death in NJ’s How Sweet MV . .. the red car ditched with the Coca Cola bottle is reminiscent of the TLC’s star accident scene and for me, that is downright disrespectful

[@rcmashups5778]

and you know FOR CERTAIN that it was intentional? like a LITERAL PLANNED REFERENCE to that?

[@giovannamarce9]

​@@rcmashups5778And you know that it is not the first time it happens? Or will you try to sweep ETA's accusations under the rug?

[@rcmashups5778]

@@giovannamarce9 ETA is a different situation. that could be more "intentional" but the TLC one is too farfetched to be even considered💀💀

[@giovannamarce9]

@rcmashups5778 It's ok if you consider it far-fetched, but is not the first time she is involved in accusations of using inappropriate inspiration. People act by certain patterns of behavior, so It's something that others will analyze and consider instead of interpreting it as a mere coincidence.

[@jenniepeachesenchantix]

I am so done with K-pop stans, it’s like being dumb is now a trait because as soon as they learn a new word they don’t search for the meaning they just use it however they want to or change the meaning to something to use to their advantage.

[@chesiresays]

Sadly this isn’t a kpop stan thing, you see it everyday on the internet from random ppl as well

[@vivid_blossoms]

I think it's very concentrated in kpop. but it's not exclusive to kpop because listen to anyone talk and they'll probably use the word traumatized when talking about the weather

[@keke835]

@@chesiresaysit’s dishonest to say it isn’t more common in K-pop. I think the stupidity I’ve seen among K-pop stans can only be rivaled by anime fans. It’s ridiculous.

[@manasvidhiman5393]

Also I like how Hybe did everything professionally (could have done better but at least they tried) but still got accused of media playing but this woman did two press conferences which was media playing irl🤡. Also funny how she said she won the case but she clearly didn’t. She just didn’t get arrested lol.

[@Aiko-jf1lq]

Yass ive been rewatching your old videos waiting for new ones !! I always love hearing your thoughts

[@aSUGAaddiction]

Me too.

[@DeusVult1711]

Questionable lyrics in Cookie (that's the only M/V where their clothings resemble those in office culture, mkay). Questionable pictures hanging on her walls. Questionable movies that she used as inspirations. The only reason why MHJ gets away with everything above is because she's a woman. Imagine if any other male CEO proundly displayed those images in his home / office, people will hunt down his head, rightfully so, and there will be no excuses like whatever her fans use to justify those pictures.

[@ShootingStarStudio]

toxic bunnies when newjeans do the thing: "newjeans are so inspirational!" toxic bunnies when other groups do the thing: "omg stop copying newjeans!" also not me being 3 days late 💀

[@carrotcakebunnieY2k]

love you vid I think people should know that bunnies and k netizens need to know that newjeans dose not OWN the Y2K CONCEPT, I see a lot of bunnies saying" newjeans is the definition of y2k "or there the only group who and do the y2k concept and some literally saying that they invented it and praising minheejin for being the goat like? any one can do the Y2K concept any group can pull it off not just newjeans and i feel bad for illit bc these girls are being accused for copying NJ or being a NJ rip of version and how every concept that new jeans has come up with is original . when any kpop group dose some thing y2k it's not original but when newjeans dose something its original. people got to stop being delulu. but me personally I dont think newjeans is y2k maybe hype boy attention and ditto but their concept is more sweet girly girly from new door or girlhood concept.

[@vickmay3898]

not to mention that the y2k aesthetic was already trending in america. nwjns comebacks are literally based off past or current american trends.

[@Illies_wonheheh]

I just hate how ppl quickly hate illit and called them copy when MINHEEJIN isn’t original herself like how can you call someone else copy if your doing the same thing🙃🙃

[@chidimmaugokwe3553]

The first thing that came out of my mouth when you talked about the insta status of illit's visual director was, “damn! That's a spicy momma!”😅 But for sure if I were in her situation I'd probably do worse. Professionalism left the room when MHJ started throwing shots and shade left-right and center

[@hafsah_alee]

Ngl when belift wrote in their 27 minutes video about nj being teens who are s*xualized( even though it’s wrong to say that) now I understand it more I never knew about this coming of age movie inspo (it’s so disgusting to think about)

[@smolspud]

This makes so much sense for me! I watched the mv for attention as soon as it uploaded and I felt weirded out by it but couldn’t explain why. I looked up their ages and immediately was like nope this isn’t for me. Like their concept of teen girls sneaking out to a “club” and the lyrics going on about “looking for attention” did not sit well with me.

[@Magiknewjeans]

@@smolspudit wasn’t even a club it was a concert and what teen wouldn’t have wanted attention from their crush at one point? You’re making it seem like something it wasn’t which is very weird coming from your end And where does it even imply that they were “sneaking” out like yall are crazy

[@Wonycoded]

i really like illit btw their songs are cute and bubbly i lost my interest in stayc and twice so i feel really happy having group like illit in industry which is not cringe but actually very bubbly and cute i wish them all the best

[@kaydunton2037]

I haven't watched it yet, but yes sound and concept seems so different to me that I am upset that everyone is saying they are similar and copying.

[@serinemadoui8675]

just THANK YOU I was going nuts trying to explain to people how this whole copying allegations are bs I hope your vid reaches the right audience so they can start thinking a lil bit

[@mona.cabocmona303]

MHJ thrown a smoke grenade with the plagiarism, that different groups made of her unique work, especially Illit. So people started to speak about the girls look, movements and forgetting to concentrate at her illegal plans against HYBE. Eventually most of the people could see the true color of MHJ. New Jeans fans, they are something else. First of all, they're teenagers or children, and they are impressed by the girls situation. So it is "normal" to be passionate and blind when it is about the NJ. As we know, children and teenagers can be very cruel, and can hurt people around them very easily and almost unconscious, and that can be dangerous for others and for themselves. Unfortunately their role model it is a narcissistic woman, who was able to drag others, NJ girls, Illit, BSH, HYBE, through the mud, only to "protect" her interests.

[@Stay_Zerose]

I keep saying that if you were confusing Illit for Newjeans, you never knew about or cared about Newjeans in the first place. Honestly how did you not recognise the members you claim to stan to the point where you saw a 5 member girl group with natural hair and assumed they were the same thing... you guys are telling on yourself, because you don't care about Newjeans you stan MHJ... Like if you go out and look there are plenty of groups who are aguably more similar but you don't see their fans saying people are going to mix them up, sure they may yell about copying but they are never outright confusing the groups they claim to Stan. You could make a fair case of Ateez and Stray Kids ccppyig each other (they aren't) using selective evidence such as both having 8 members, strong edm discography and difficult dance steps, which can occasionally overlap. But you will never see even a casual stan of either group mistaking one for the other

[@The_Super_NOVA]

I wanted to make a video like this, outlining proof against plagiarism and MHJ's false claims of originality, but sadly don't have the free time. I'm glad I didn't because you showed and said everything I wanted to but BETTER! And you're right: if MHJ had humbly said she took inspiration for NJ's concept from retro media and ILLIT is just following the 90s/2000s trend, it would be fine and no one would be bothered. But her cries of plagiarism victimhood, all while touting an air of superiority, demands a cold hard slap of TRUTH.

[@RainDropDrop22]

Everglow, where were you when Belift needed you? This is much better than what they put out

[@lunaris7342]

Im way more surprised over the Fact that Koreans know German Movies. This Movie is based on a Book wich was very controversial and that Book is actually about a real Person. Christine F. actually is still alive. So much for originality

[@Yointrovert]

I think international fans must have pointed it out, and then it spread over the knetizans.

[@HannyGarba]

Thank you so much you clocked this whole video and said everything that I’ve been thinking and better also did a 10X better job then Belift in making a video that properly defends the girls thank you yet again

[@FlowerArtzy24]

If bunnies think those dances are there to copy new jeans they could watch their logic disappear once they watch the Bollywood movie ABCD 2, the plot of that movie is basically a redemption of a dance group after they actually copied a whole dance from another group from a different country years ago… if we compare this bunnies make no sense since a single dance move isn’t actually copying someone especially if they have already have been done before, or if we need a Kpop example looking into the ateez and the that one dance group I forgot the name of, if you think that is the same then you sound really silly….

[@lovelylanafansweetie4240]

I love new jeans and I-lit I really wish this situation never happened. I will never understand the desire too hate idols so much. People must be very miserable to hate them so much.

[@LeoLinloeo]

Sadly koreans will never see this

[@NaDee-mh2po]

All this hybe VS Ador war makes me very grateful hybe didn't take it upon themselves to prove Garam's innocence by posting the school documents. I knew it then and I know it even surer now that had they done so it would have made the public cry media play, lies and invasion of someone's privacy lmao.

[@neepagummapu]

well researched video!!! good job!!! heejin's days at hybe are numbered. either they will wait a little and call for another board meeting (how many injunctions can she get?) or wait for her contract to expire. this is why belift lab's case against her is crucial. if they win especially if the court orders her to pay a fine, it will be easier for hybe to remove her. if the court grants her another injunction im afraid korea will lose a lot of foreign investment. it will show investors that even with 80% ownership they wont be able exercise their rights. we already saw the effect of the injunction - nps reduced its stake in all labels. the way new jeans is showing support for heejin, i doubt they will get a contract renewal that is if they last that long.

[@vanessarayfox]

The very first dance (the one in Ditto & Holiday Party) is also in Ateez's Say My Name (which is what I thought of the first time I saw it in Ditto).

[@vanessarayfox]

I'm sure it's in tons of other choreographies, I'm just saying what I recognized it from.

[@huhyep5604]

Im never seeing Attention MV the same way ever again

[@haileymitchell8165]

I have a feeling the next group the Newjeans fans are gonna target is gonna be the new Hybe American girl group Katseye. Because when their teaser for the debut song that just dropped tonight was released I was on Twitter and I saw tweets from Newjeans fans talking about “ugh Hybe really keeps stealing from Newjeans!” But like Katseye is definitely very different from what I saw in the teaser.

[@kayziofficial]

Oh god. I pray that doesn’t happen. I watched their music video and I love the song and the video. However, I kinda have a feeling that Katseye won’t tolerate her bullshit if she tries it

[@haileymitchell8165]

@@kayziofficial I watched the music video also and I was like there is literally nothing in here that they could try and claim with this. But you see how Newjeans fans have been lately and Min Heejin claiming to have credited everything in music at this point 😭😂 And I think hopefully at least it seems that Katseye will not have a lot of stuff to do with the Korean side of the label so hopefully they don’t have to get mixed up with that and Min Heejin!

[@kayziofficial]

@@haileymitchell8165 I’m a Bunnie myself actually. Well a Bunnie with common sense. There’s literally nothing in here they can claim so I completely agree with you

[@tnlkb6115]

Also, i would love that people finally wake up to hybe using wonder girls and miss a for newjeans and leesafarim respectively. To the point that both groups did cover of the two formers. Wonder girls with black haired and "fresh nostalgic" catchy concept. Miss A with the sporty look to the regatton inspire song for their comeback right after. And the same thing for Lesserafirm. Even Touch of Miss A and Impurities of Lesserafirm have similar outfits. And many more similiraties.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Bang pd worked for jyp

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Your videos are always so amazing cus you call out many points I always try to point out talking to toxic bunnies.

[@Layla-td1pl]

When MHJ crashes and burns, I hope all the people helping her realizes the damage they've done to their reputations. Also, and it could just be me but Illit gives me Red Velvet/Loona vibes more than NJ. If these plagiarism claims go through, this is going to affect every single person involved in the music industry.

[@sumysim3245]

I mean, is anyone surprised? As soon as I heard about her doing personal interviews and talking about the girls that way, something felt off. Cookie and the photo scandal just confirmed it. This girl is a clear narcissist, it's sad to see impressionable Knets and Bunnies falling for this. And, no, I'm not a HYBE stan, I'm an ILLIT, LESSERAFIM, and TWS, stand, ALL groups MHJ has mentioned to be "copying." There are also other groups noted that I support, so for their sake, I'm just tuning out of NWJNS for now. I wasn't a big fan of their music, and I'm sure the girls are just doing their jobs, but I can't sit right knowing that that money is going to ADOR/MHJ to an extent.

[@FifthGate]

This. I blocked NJ on Spotify as soon as she started attacking other groups by name.

[@overthinkingkpop]

The "RefurbishedJeans" in the thumbnail made me wheeze 😂

[@TheJacqueswong]

Finally! Thank you very much for posting this. This really has to be told.

[@Logan-zl7xi]

Btw I was listening to this while TRYING to make myself breakfast, and than this HUGE bug started crawling around. And my older sister wouldn't do anything, so I've just been chasing it down and KILLING the darn thing finally..... Anyway, Min Heejin is what I call a coward. She plans Hype's downfall in a dark corner of ador, and than when she's caught she runs and hides behind someone else instead of facing the music. (Like that bug I just killed. -_-)

[@christa0chellew]

I always saw this new wave of idols as a variation/evolution from KARA and T-ARA actually... can they sue?

[@rowanjoy419]

right!!! I was so pissed because Kara are one of my favorites from Gen 2 😊

[@christa0chellew]

@@rowanjoy419 Like... K-Pop's always been good at reusing and reimagining aspects of the same few concepts. New Jeans, Illit... they aren't inventing anything new... just selling the same thing in a different package for a different gen. Us who started with GEN 2 or 3 can see it, because we had to be humbled back then too LOL

[@dongysakura418]

I’ve been telling people this. Illit is Kara and dsp concepts especially with their dream concept. Njs where? It’s new new fans that think kpop is girl crush and teen crush. As if gfriend doesn’t exist

[@christa0chellew]

@@dongysakura418 every generation will think they invented something. I was born in the early 90s and I still remember in SHAME thinking that Kelly Osbourne's cover of Papa Don't Preach was the original song and fighting my mom on it until she took the Madonna album out LOL

[@dongysakura418]

@@christa0chellew lol you’re right. I guess I’m annoyed MHJ managed to turn an entire community against some girls over lies

[@dreamcatcherstan-w3v]

I LOVEEEE new jeans but the fandom is embarrassing

[@dearwdy6884]

I just hope, people dont find this as an excuse to hate newjeans now. The illit hate train was already unfair.

[@akedyy4299]

Illit did nothing but newjeans are supporting their problematic Ceo They shouldn’t have supported her in the first place😐

[@dearwdy6884]

@akedyy4299 what do you think they can do? Rebel against the one who made them who they are atm? Let me remind u those girls are still teenagers, regardless of their choices none of them deserve to be hated ( including illit )

[@Yoongi10269]

​@@akedyy4299 Do you know the principle of manipulation, Suicide blackmail or guilt-tripping? New jeans members aren't "with" their CEO they are manipulated by their CEO.

[@akedyy4299]

@@dearwdy6884 they can side with Hybe who is their main label and the who is promoting them. They are popular and successful because of Hybe you can’t deny that. And if you think being and working with Mhj is better for them, you’re just delusional. Girls are more in dangerous with her, do i need to remind you cookie and mhj’s p*do history??

[@akedyy4299]

@@Yoongi10269 Being manipulated is not an excuse, everyone with their logic and mind can tell Mhj is the guilty and the criminal. No amount of manipulating can change that. Girls aren’t child either. Stop defending them, they are on the wrong side

[@blossom6693]

Also does anyone notice that kpop stan make a thread against min hee jin over 60k like until she drop BTS name and accept consulting shaman, suddenly she is stan twt hero

[@aliaxgal]

Honestly I think the biggest thing I've noticed with newjeans is that they basically kickstarted fifth gen and set the trend that would end up being the thing we associate with 5th gen. Every generation in kpop kinda has a certain sound that kickstarted with a debut that inspired the sound associated with that generation. I definitely think that if newjeans didn't debut, illit and many other 5th gen kpop groups wouldn't have the sound they have today. However, do i think it's copying? Not really. Are there similarities? Quite a bit if im being honest but i think the real issue is that they both debuted under hybe with similar ish vibes. I can bet on my left toe that if they didn't debut under the same label (hybe), no one would have bat an eye on their similarities as newjeans kinda set the tone for 5th gen. They didn't copy anything, more or so just followed the trends of 5th gen that newjeans happened to inspire or participate in. Unfortunately this is what happens when you have a monopoly and create so many groups. There's bound to be overlaps

[@addy8078]

Thank you for coming through with logic and critical thinking again! I feel like I’m losing my mind with MHJ’s mindless disciples 😩

[@sulfuricacid1111]

THE WAY I SCREAMED WHEN LOONA ⅓ WAS MENTIONED

[@fatia4076]

I still remember when new jeans debuted everyone was calling them 5 jennie and that hybe trying to recreate a Jenni and their makeup is similar and they are trying to be like balckpink for having brand deals and look at them now lmao history repeats

[@bookie9757]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽thank you this explains so much and I pray min hee Jin gets fired she has such a dark side and the newjeans girls are just victims

[@madkmadk6809]

You have summarised it so well. All her lies and lack of logic. Also i loved when you mimicked 🐍🧢 at 20:14 "eynngh they cOpiEd mE"😂 That's the best description of her: brat. And now that's exactly the thing what she's teaching Newjeans to become.

[@gogumagal]

MHJ has been sooo shady with her inspiration. I can never be not uncomfortable watching Attention mv with the maknae of NJ wearing a mere bra dancing like that when she's still a literal child. like, out of all cute outfit that age appropriate for her, you chose to dress her with a bra, for a title track mv? that's so so shady.

[@shaunyjimenez9637]

I also think (while i do fully agree w you) that this has become a reason to hate newjeans, while I perfectly see the diff between the two groups (newjeans is hiphop, 90s, fresh and summer while illit is dreamy, cute and soft) I wholeheartedly believe that purely in a music persoective "magnetic" is just too similar to a newjeans release to a fault, i cant imagine executives didnt think choosing this song would harm illit becauae before mhj even opened her mouth people(myself included) thought magnetic was a newjeans comeback. I just think its pure inspiration and clumsiness on part of belift (this is similar to baemon and blackpink issue or vcha and twice except blackpink and twice are established and newjeans is an active and new group) ,either way, great video! Also did you see the video from "jeans" ?? They made a video praising NJ and asking for a collab I find this very interesting, I hope they can collab sometime!!

[@chesiresays]

How dare they do a similar genre they lack creativity 😐

[@shaunyjimenez9637]

@@chesiresays do you read?

[@thanaia]

U SLAYED SO HARD !! :PPPP

[@Gemstones1000]

20:17 It's the "mtchew" for meeeeeeee 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WanerLegends]

The originality is in my poosay

[@sikharingurung4007]

Bunnies said I'm a blink when I said MHJ wants Hanni to overthrow Lisa as Kpop's most successful figure

[@anitaude1187]

Well what u said really just doesn't make any sense..

[@RainDropDrop22]

We NEED common sense back in this world. This earth needs it badd

[@love-llit]

i love that you are always here for illit i love u

[@beomgrunge768]

I’ve watched a review on illit’s debut and she (the one making the video) also mentioned this controversy. She said the biggest difference between nj and illit is that new jeans has a 🎧🛼🎟️💿🎊teeny🎊💿🎟️🛼🎧 concept while illit has a 🫧🌸🧚‍♀️🪽🍭childish🍭🪽🧚‍♀️🌸🫧 concept. In my opinion that’s the strongest argument for this discussion

[@birchlawpa]

AF'ngmen! MHJ definitely earned her MBA at the SM School of Distraction. What she attempted was basically to effect a hostile take over of Ador from Hybe. But once caught, she cried plagiarism to muddy the waters in an attempt to distract from her own wrongdoing.

[@Kat-y_L]

I'm on neither's side i was against mhj this whole time but hybe did some questionable stuff through out this whole process which was unprofessional and immature . Anyways , educated me if I'm wrong but didn't newjeans have this whole concept because of how pink Pantheres went viral in the west with it...2 minute songs , no bridge , echo-y chorus ...all signature pink Pantheres😂😂😂😂. Even katseye is releasing similar stuff .. wasn't mhj's plan was to get popular in the west with whatever was trending ? Also this is for some of bunnies 'newjeans doesn't have a freah concept.... they have a fresh sound' two are very different things , and even if they did they don't own a concept ot sound just cause they popularized it .

[@foivechan]

Been waiting.

[@ilon.k]

this video is really good! this topic has bothered me for a long time now but you explained everything so well

[@quinnemilepoe9604]

Separately, all these similarities seem to be invalid because nobody can copyright a photoshoot style, small moves, or haircuts. But add all those things together, and it’s undeniable that Illit is being pushed to embody the essence of NewJeans enough to capture the same target audience in the eventuality that NJ is eliminated. The first time I blindly heard Magnetic without knowing the group, I thought it was NJ. The first time I saw the music video, I thought…NJ.

[@user-yb6xp3jt4g]

11:00 I'm so disgusted Min Heejin should be in jail 💀

[@gold-xq1wk]

Guys, watch the belift announcement video. There's English subs. I don't see them describing NewJeans poorly.

[@aliaxgal]

Did we not watch the same video from belift 💀

[@code2h]

Send this to Min Heejin

[@Dissmiss2013]

The debut of NewJeans was such a genius move from Ador and the people who helped create them. Their music style, and their clothes and their long natural uncut hair at debut everything was perfect. It’s very 90’s American hip hop style and pop and coming out with them now is what makes them New and Different. For Hybe to try to create a sound so similar for a new girl group just seems to lazy and sad. I had friends ask if illit debut song was a newjeans song cause they sound so similar. I liked newjeans. And I fear this will be there downfall because of it…..

[@NPC_Allie]

wow that serian heu is ridiculously beautiful!