City sells wrong firetruck

Sue them in court, They scammed her. She was given Title but they gave her a different truck, If a private person did that, you could be arrested and charged with Fraud

[@jamesgreen9305]

Does that mean she doesn't have the title for the truck sitting in her lot? That could turn out to be a problem for her.

[@Scottx125Productions]

@@jamesgreen9305 Not really. She paid $10,000 for a product she technically didn't receive. And then they damaged the vehicle which by law is rightfully hers. They not only need to give her the vehicle, but also pay for the repairs to return it to it's original condition at sale and probably have to pay for the potential losses caused by this debacle.

[@AnthonysMeat]

@@jamesgreen9305 no because the city has already admitted to the public what they did.

[@Youngbl33zy]

She literally cannot even sell the truck she has because she doesn’t even have the title for it lol.

[@AnthonysMeat]

@@marcd7332 that’s a terrible comparison. If you’d admit to killing someone you’d obviously be prosecuted. You admitting to killing someone is the biggest piece of evidence in a murder a case aside from the victims body. You are clearly the one with no (nice) logic. Lmao

[@t-wrecks7481]

She holds title to that truck. Therefore they stole it and have damaged it. Big time lawsuit.

[@t-wrecks7481]

@@connorstohl6050 nope, sounds to me like they gave it to her

[@zr71offroad20]

@@connorstohl6050 Yeah, the city gave her the truck, They cannot say she stole it because that would be a lie any charges involved would be dropped. Then this would give additional evidence for her lawsuit.

[@cooloffroadtrucks]

Technically they gave her this truck and if she wanted to really get them she could start the process of claiming it as abandoned after x amount of days it could be hers too lol.

[@Caderic]

@@t-wrecks7481 "...they gave it to her." Just like she gave them the money. The city did not "steal" her truck. She never had it in her possession and she freely gave them the money for the truck, so they did not steal the money either. There are no criminal charges there, it is only a civil case. But at minimum they did damage her property and maybe even commit fraud by giving here the "wrong" truck, both of which would be criminal, if guilty.

[@Caderic]

@@zr71offroad20 You are right, they gave it to her so it would be a lie, but that doesn't always stop criminal cases, so you can't say "charges involved would be dropped." People are wrongfully convicted.

[@wazaagbreak-head6039]

For anyone curios she sued and was granted full recompense for both the truck and transport costs

[@Gold_Yoshi]

This took me 10 minutes to find someone who commented the answer. Thank you.

[@sergeybrin1963]

I would've just gone up there, hotwired the truck I legally owned and drove it off the lot.

[@vitd5283]

@@sergeybrin1963 no you wouldnt

[@diamondly6250]

@@sergeybrin1963 it was takin apart

[@trevortanner420]

@@sergeybrin1963 HELL YEAH

[@briananderson8733]

This is called Fraud if any ordinary person did it.

[@fomocowboy]

It's still fraud. But the government gets away with that and worse on a daily basis.

[@IMaximusDMI]

The ol' switcheroo.

[@tradeelmundo]

Its only fraud if it was intentional. They would still be liable for damages but, not fraud unless they can prove that they intentionally tried to deceive the buyer.

[@briananderson8733]

@@tradeelmundo However, removing all the other equipment from the truck before attempting to complete the transaction indicates an intent to deceive. As a juror, I would see it that way.

[@NETWizzJbirk]

After repoing it, sue them for all the items stollen that make it different than auctioned.... make the city pay to replace each item they stripped

[@jspriver]

If I accepted money for a vehicle and then gave somebody the wrong one and refused to change it… I’d be in jail for fraud

[@wallaceluna6241]

Yep. N ppl who say she's stupid or its her fault ecetera aren't to smart. City committed fraud. Same way a car dealership can't do this type of practice when selling cars. It's a huge lawsuit followed by fines/penalties and then loss of licenses aswell. She coulda technically asked the city for the paperwork on the truck they sent her, since her paperwork doesn't bind that truck to her and probably coulda technically owned that truck and the one they originally swindled her for.

[@frankwhite5948]

Federal because it's over $5,000

[@tynewlin]

@Tom Bombadildo your name 🤣 Mine used to be Rumple Foreskin.

[@alphaspursncowboys]

Except it sounds like the problem is her hired transport took the wrong truck so she is now mad at the city because that truck has been used as a parts truck.

[@Demonslayer20111]

@@alphaspursncowboys city released the wrong vehicle to the transport driver. Should he have confirmed it was the right one? Sure. But the city gave him the WRONG ONE. Beleive me if he just rolled up and took a truck hed be in jail

[@thecomedypilot5894]

I like how instead of her first thought being wanting to get her money back, she instead just wanted to get her fire truck.

[@quandale2648]

npc

[@nathanielholmes79]

@@quandale2648 sigma*

[@hafizuddinmohdlowhim8426]

She wants to-sell it

[@jessecruz7707]

I want to get my fire truck back, so I can sell it make even more of my money back*

[@kkiidd77]

Bc she was gonna flip it... lol

[@stephen4764]

It seems pretty simple to me. She has the Title. She owns it. Not releasing it to her is the equivalent of Auto Theft. If they screwed up them that it is on them.

[@scottstarling247]

I second that argument @Stephen

[@deadfreightwest5956]

This is my thought as well. If I have title to a vehicle that (some person or entity) has in their possession, then they are guilty of auto theft. For the same reason, she's on the hook (no pun intended) for the truck sent to her.

[@Bryan_Kay]

I agree, she should return the truck that they delivered her and she should file auto theft charges through the state attorney for the council members that are withholding her property.

[@stephen4764]

They are not asking for it back though and I certainly wouldn't incur the cost of having it transported back to them. She is owed what she bought. They handed the wrong vehicle over to her transporter. They screwed up, not her.

[@Bryan_Kay]

@@stephen4764 I just say return it that way the city can't claim they are negotiating paying the "difference" via that $1500 check they are trying to toss her.

[@MrJavaman5]

Buyer: This isn’t what we agreed to. City of Jacksonville: I’ve altered the agreement. Pray that I do not alter it any further.

[@scottb_02]

This deal is getting worse all the time..

[@TheBasher-_-]

Lmao. But they don't have the title so they're kinda screwed too 😂

[@NoStressVanLife]

@@scottb_02 I hear she now owes them the cost of 2 brand new fire trucks. She should have just been happy trying to sell a truck she doesn't legally own and can't legally sell because the vin's don't match... But what do I know...

[@philipethier9136]

@@NoStressVanLife " I hear she now owes them the cost of 2 brand new fire trucks." Source?

[@NoStressVanLife]

@@philipethier9136 dude...really that was clearly the most sarcastic comment in existence.

[@jude_the_apostle]

“this a fight she could win”… SHE OWNS THE FIRETRUCK

[@LawdyLawd]

The old bait & switch hoping the buyer doesn't notice.

[@DoubleOddJosh]

The old switcheroo!!

[@kennethfharkin]

Buyer would ABSOLUTELY notice when VINs were checked for registration, inspection, etc. I hate governments but this was not a bait and switch but an honest mistake. The fact is the buyer should have required the VIN to be confirmed by the transporter at pick up. That would have stopped everything in place and seen it rectified. She cannot have the old truck, it was stripped. She can get a $ difference for the value difference, which she can always argue, or she should be able to return it for a full refund although the transport is on her head. Of course since the transporter did not confirm the VIN a case could be made that the transporter should have to eat that, especially if they want to do business with her in the future. There is not getting the original truck, it is stripped. Life sucks, deal with it.

[@jackasshomey]

i think that only really applies when they seller doesn't get the short end of the stick also... they ended up giving her a truck that looked to be in much better condition and they are offering the difference in price....

[@greyfox78569]

@@kennethfharkin The fact that so many people dropped the ball tells you that it wasn't just the city even the lady didn't check at first. In fact it makes you wonder as to why they dropped the ball.

[@jackasshomey]

@SuperGoldnut they could easily change her name over to the vehicle they gave her accidentally, easy fix... but noooo she wants something that's already in pieces...

[@gradymoxley2925]

If a citizen did it, they would be sued until they were broke

[@blackfacehardon5163]

And in jail

[@PukMateusz]

yeah.. they would be in jail hun

[@Victor-tl4dk]

They might be arrested for theft too. And then lose their mortgage if they don't post bond.

[@govinda102000]

@@Victor-tl4dk Yep. And arrest all the people who owned the truck. The taxpayers of Jacksonville.

[@HobbyOrganist]

@@Victor-tl4dk She COULD potentially be liable, you cant just keep property you didn't legally buy, that truck was not the one she paid for and she cant register it as the VIN doesnt match. Stripped for parts like the one she DID buy, makes that worth scrap value now, the city should just refund her money plus her transport and misc cost, give her the stripped truck to dispose of how she likes, and call it a day

[@gregparrott]

This happened more than five years ago. Does anyone know what the outcome was? It sounds like a clear case, and the longer the fire department resists, the greater the bill

[@OkieOtaku]

I tried looking it up and can't find anything right away

[@ernest1576]

That's because the city hid. It they do it all the time hide their mistakes but publish our mistake s

[@gregparrott]

@@OkieOtaku It likely is not of enough significance to get much beyond local news services.

[@sykomcawesomeness]

@@HeadsUpNorth ikr! wtf? o.0 I don't live in Florida and I don't watch videos about firetrucks, so no clue... o.o

[@Fred-ff6bv]

@@sykomcawesomeness apparently, at least one of those statements is in error. 😂

[@jbrown7063]

Woman: “You sold me the wrong truck, can I...” City: “no givesies backsies”

[@kalim4835]

For real, can I have the title back? She owns the vehicle so I'm pretty that title is hers.

[@Zxavioure]

Yeah, but they can just file for a lost title.

[@dangerdouglas6700]

lolllllll wtf

[@vertisce2845]

@@kalim4835 Yeah...at this point it could lead to grand theft auto. It's her title, she paid for it, she owns it and they stole her truck.

[@everydaylifer2019]

@@Zxavioure no she can file for stolen and damaged vehicle. Which one would win in court.

[@Chris-yq3kp]

Insane that when the government makes a mistake they can do whatever they want but if a citizen did the same they would go to jail.

[@TheCRTman]

Exactly.

[@kidsafe]

Governments have sovereign immunity and it sucks. I broke my scapula while riding my bike in 2017 due to negligent road maintenance/repairs and personal injury lawyers wouldn't even touch my case because the government is generally immune.

[@murrayshekelberg9754]

@@Tadesan they're the ones that rigged the system.

[@raspiankiado]

@@kidsafe Even when they don't have sovereign immunity, the goverment can reach down the taxpayers' pockets and just keep shoveling, until the "issue" goes away.

[@Squat5000]

​@@kidsafe you broke yourself because you were reckless and crashed lol

[@aftbit]

5 years later... what happened? did she get the truck or a decent settlement?

[@NooneStaar]

I'd like to know as well

[@tate8403]

She passed away sadly

[@neyaneya5554]

@@tate8403 cap. like farming with this comment.

[@acp865]

@Neya Neya try typing that again so it makes sense to us

[@ev6558]

@@acp865 So there's this thing called the internet which is in some ways similar to the telegraph you grew up with...

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

The lack of VIN checking at gate release is really poor auction yard management...

[@animalm4st3r]

also really poor management of the dude she hired to drive it down to her. wich is also why i doubt the city will be atfault, they will argue that the dude who picked it up is at fault

[@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki]

@@animalm4st3r No.

[@thomasfletcher4765]

I used to work at an auto auction ( at times at the gate ) one of the things that is supposed to be checked is the VIN BEFORE the vehicle is allowed to leave the yard ( and the transporter is supposed to check that as well to make sure it is the right vehicle , too )

[@kcwkembm]

Transporter is to blame as well. I haul RVs from the factory and first thing i do is verify the vin

[@thomasfletcher4765]

Transporter should be thankful they weren't stopped by the police

[@j.chrislowe4813]

Two questions: who flips fire trucks and, more importantly, why am I watching this at 340am?

[@jacobcornelius1278]

I’ve bought an sold several!

[@benonihiggins8204]

Used fire trucks are bought by construction companies ( spraying down buildings that are being demolished to keep the dust down). I know a fire truck from my local fire department was sold to a fire company in South America. New fire trucks cost $200,000+ so buying used is very cost effective especially when the trucks are well maintained the entire time they are in service

[@skimasker3049]

1:52 Am here!

[@traveller4790]

There is just as big a market for used fire trucks as there is for used military vehicles. People will collect anything.

[@ffjsb]

Many rural or small towns buy used trucks because they can't afford to buy new ones. You can refurbish a fire truck and get even more.

[@reedr1659]

Her lawyer is going to have a field day with this. This is a slam dunk.

[@Mackathne]

She HAS the title, it's literally her truck. This would be an easy court case I imagine. She could have someone tow it out of whatever yard their keeping it in and I imagine Jax can't do a thing about it

[@killzone3234]

she probably didnt want to spend thousands in court/lawyer costs

[@insolentish4529]

@@killzone3234 it's a civil suit, the losing city government would pay the lawyer fees

[@lq7777]

Except that she is in possession of a truck she does not have the title on. If she did that, I would imagine they could come after her. Maybe if she returned the truck she got, but even then government is not some random eBayer. She would probably get arrested.

[@bobmazzi7435]

Just grabbing the correct truck is only part of the issue. It's not in the condition it was sold as. It's worth a fraction of that after being stripped.

[@Mackathne]

@@bobmazzi7435 ah totally right

[@proton2316]

She has the title, she can rightfully go and take it any time she wants

[@xpusostomos]

You would think

[@common_c3nts]

Once she transfers the title, she can show up with police and take her property back. At this point the city just needs to give all her auction money back then do a deal to swap titles to where she keeps the older truck for free. That is the only way to make this right if they wont restore and giver her truck back.

[@alanbelcher2607]

But the truck has been stripped of parts so it’s not worth picking up in the condition that it’s in currently..

[@brandonfrancey5592]

@Christobanistan That's not how that works. If I steal your car and put it in my driveway, I can't say "You're not allowed onto my property." Bring cops and you will get your stuff back.

[@_wanted_outlaw3007]

@Christobanistan it's not how it works, it's not impounded if it's drivable she can take it as it's her property she just needs police still allow her to be on the property to take it, it's just unfunctional because components were taken out so they damaged her vehicle..

[@CliftonPhotographer]

I admire her for both saying my vehicle each time it was mentioned and the fact that she isn't backing down in the city trying to bully her! And for the reporter, I have to just say.... Say "VIN number"ONE MORE TIME!! 😡

[@kaldogorath]

They better head to the ATM machine as ASAP as possible or they might RIP in peace.

[@TheDOSGamer]

@@kaldogorath Why? So they can put in a PIN Number?!

[@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST]

​@@TheDOSGamerInput it straight into the touchscreen LCD display!

[@TristanVash38]

My NIC CARD in my computer stopped working!

[@daniel-davis]

I had to buy a new GPU because the PCB decided it wanted to become a toaster and burnt up 😂

[@stupidplumbing2343]

If a regular citizen does this, the city would be sending them to jail. But as far as government is concerned, the rules (law) don't apply to them.

[@adrainmai1536]

Until Now, i hope she wins her rightful truck and monies lost!

[@blackfacehardon5163]

Its always been that way

[@gbae636]

Exactly

[@GregTGolden]

The sad part is the city will spend 10s of thousands of dollars to fight this in court, rather than just right their wrong.

[@jasonrodgers9063]

Tens of thousands of TAXPAYER dollars!

[@wildlifewarrior2670]

They don't care they're spending our money

[@Temo990]

That problem exists if your country/state allows cities to leverage taxes. If they would get a fixed (but limited) share of tax revenue of the state/or federal government, they would have limited ressources and couldn't acquire more with taxes. Obviously there is no efficient use of money if wasting it has no negative effect (especially in a two party system).

[@Alphoric]

Yh because she’ll take them to court because she got a better firetruck instead it’s so terrible that she could buy a firetruck that was broken and then they gave her a working one worth the same price oh no what on earth can she do 😭😭😭😭

[@vert3432]

@@Alphoric They damaged it *after* she bought it. Imagine this. You own a car made in 2015. Let's pretend its a Cara Yadrems. You like this car, you drive it daily. Cool? Now, the city comes and tows off your car worth $15,000. They then strip it for parts, and give you a 2013 Cara Yadrems, probably with an extra 40,000 miles on it, worth maybe $12,500 at a stretch. Then they offer you $1,500 and *want the title for YOUR car*. You gonna be mad?

[@erwinschmidt7265]

Sounds like City has stolen a firetruck, so same as with any vehicle, charges should be filed against City, and when they drag their heels, Mayor can be shown his new cot in Gray Bar Hotel!

[@christianbh]

Only the government can say “oops” and get away with it. If it was a person the selling party would be forced to fix the truck back to its original condition and then payed for wasting the buyers time.

[@Quasar0406]

@Jim McCracken that is also wrong

[@Fopenplop]

The government and most corporations. That's what an LLC is for.

[@G1NZOU]

The standard political response, "we investigated and discovered the error, but we're not going to fix it, lessons were learned". It's always the "lessons were learned" part that never gets believed, cause it keeps happening.

[@jacobg5122]

When you have a revolving door of low level employees who you can claim "learned their lesson", then you don't have to take any responsibility. The real lesson learned is by the victim of the offense who has now decided never to deal with governments again.

[@johnhickman106]

It's just "lessons documented" so that they can say in the future, "mistakes were made, we are refining our process so this doesn't happen again."

[@robertdawson291]

The first time I made a comment on this, I was surprised about how many Jacksonville residents had complained about their City Hall and how crooked they are.

[@sloppydog4772]

The only winners in this situation is the lawyers...

[@taeyonghasmejungshook3424]

When I read that title, I first thought that they had somehow mixed up the out of service fire truck with an in service fire truck.

[@FlowerMareEnjoyer]

So let me get this straight. They gave her a truck she *doesn't* have the title to, and kept the truck she *does* have the title to. Even if she did take the money, if she's intending to flip the truck it sounds like a nightmare trying to resell a truck she doesn't have the title to.

[@geronimo5537]

Basically she has stolen property. Which she can file for a title or be criminally charged. But also the city conducted fraud and was not willing to replace the parts they damaged of her actual vehicle. In the end she would get a refurbed vehicle on the city's dime. Which is the city's fault. So the city idiots continued to make it more expensive by going through court wasted much more tax payer money than the real repairs. She was found to be the correct owner in the end though and won her case. If you did this to someone by selling them a vehicle with incorrect information. You would be doing some years in jail. But the city is not a person quote in quote.

[@garkar908]

Lmao, is this the same city that had a surgeon remove the wrong kidney? 😂

[@tynewlin]

It's Jacksonville, so yeah, I'd believe that lol

[@eurybaric]

Whaaat! Hot damn! :O

[@ATAMorpheus]

You can’t give the city the responsible for this, this was the fault of this surgeon and no one else

[@thepaladin8015]

Sounds like they decided to part it out to spite her.

[@stunt-]

I can’t think of one legitimate reason why they would damage it other than to just make this harder for her to just acquire what she legally owns

[@bobafettjr85]

They probably started scrapping it for parts before she contacted them, by the time they realized their mistake the damage was done. They didn't want to have to fix it back up so they tried to change the deal.

[@RockinRocketScience]

scraps

[@zchris87v80]

Imagine if I sold you a car and delivered a different one, then you find out I started parting out the car you legally own. Wonder how many years I’d be locked up for fraud? Apparently none if I’m the government.

[@jonathanp896]

There is nothing at all unusual about stripping one vehicle for parts to keep the rest of the fleet on the road. All organisations with large fleets of vehicles do it.

[@sparkzbarca]

​@@zchris87v80you'd be locked up zero days given that you acted in good faith which they may have. Fraud legally is the INTENTIONAL use of deceit or trickery. A mistake is not a fraud, that's why this is civil. I assure you the city didn't intentionally list the wrong vehicle. They probably even intended to list the 2004 AFTER they stripped it. If they have multiple other 04' models and no other 02' ones they'd sell the 02 intact.

[@walamo4796]

Any normal business operating like this would be closed and it’s workers indicted for fraud.

[@dedubh8016]

The Transporter should have verified the VIN Number before accepting the truck

[@traveller4790]

Agreed. If he had done that, none of this would have happened. Still, though, the city of Jacksonville is on the hook for this one ultimately. If she sues them, she'll win.

[@chevy0771]

That as well.

[@stephaniehowe0973]

Who doesn't?

[@terriecotham1567]

Good point but the transportation pulled up to a government lot with paper work and the government told him witch truck to load.

[@xheralt]

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

[@chadbertrand1460]

5 years later, anyone know how this was resolved?

[@bdcochran01]

Yeah, the civil servant retired.

[@josh7120]

So basically she has a firetruck with no title. And a title to a another firetruck she dosnt have? And now the title she owns for the other firetruck, she can repo it legally?

[@josh7120]

@Artimus thats true..

[@stephen4764]

@Artimus I think what she bought ended being rebuilt and put into service.

[@fraidykat]

And further charge for every part removed since the moment of sale.

[@pjplumber2146]

Rookie in the garage: hey guys that’s the wrong ..... All the seasoned pros: SHUT UP NEWBIE! Keep scrubbing the truck.

[@mattheweburns]

That is incredibly illegal, if any individual did this at an auction, they would be in prison as a result. Whoever was ultimately responsible for that should be in prison and never have control over anything or anyone but themselves from here on. Knowing government work, there are probably a chain of scapegoats that circle back to each other all of them belong in jail, for being a part of something so corrupt

[@martinkalmus3761]

City itself not need to fallow rules and thats a law lol If president kills someone then they hit hes fingers with wooden stick and repeat:Dont do it again and say sorry ^^ woops and go out playing hehe Good child,just little bit over hands hihi

[@avacadomangobanana2588]

No they should not. You’re delusional

[@electric_claire]

Nobody would end up in prison over something like this. Worst case scenario would be a full refund plus punitive damages. Most likely just a full refund plus any expenses she incurred.

[@jonathanp896]

No you wouldn't, because fraud means there was a deliberate scam to advertise one fire truck and deliver a different one. That is unlikely in this case and even if it was would be very difficult to prove.

[@miastrong151]

Whatever happened to the fire truck? Don't leave us hanging. Did she get the money back or her truck?

[@codeoptimizationware2803]

@Mia Strong : Agreed. Very strange, though, how the news almost never runs follow-up stories. I'd like to know what happened after that story too.

[@onbored9627]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 Hope fully she got paid off or got her truck and signed a NDO and thats why we haven't heard. The reddit patrol will probably find out.

[@codeoptimizationware2803]

@@onbored9627 : Well I hope she got a good prosecuting lawyer with which to fight her case in Court.

[@miastrong151]

@onii-chan's manko I looked online and couldn't find anything about it. I don't believe that that would happen.

[@onbored9627]

@onii-chan's manko link or proof?

[@robertdawson9114]

In the last five years I have continually heard bad things about Jacksonville Florida makes me not want to go there.

[@MrAfx34]

TRUST ME U DONT!! i live here in DUVALLLL CO. on the westside KILLINGS everyday!!

[@nilknarf483]

I have lived in Jacksonville all my life Robert and you can trust me when I tell you you absolutely DO NOT WANT TO LIVE HERE. It is HORRIBLE. All the bad stories you have heard are TRUE and then some. All the good stories you have hear are LIES made up by the greedy Chamber of Commerce.

[@robertdawson9114]

nilknarf483 But at least Jacksonville Florida is the biggest city in America. Too bad most of it is a swamp. Is that true or not.👍😁😎

[@MrAfx34]

@@robertdawson9114 no

[@robertdawson9114]

Derek G it’s like that here in Atlanta, if there’s not a killing one day the next day there are two Atlanta has gone downhill.👍😁😎

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

VIN numbers and unit numbers are extremely easy to check. Either the bureaucrat in charge was too lazy and stupid to do something that simple or this was done purposefully because they decided they wanted the parts from the firetruck that they sold her so they switched them and hoped she was too stupid to notice.

[@yommish]

@mipmipmipmipmipwhat kind of clown logic is this

[@johnferguson6389]

It definitely sounds like Jacksonville is trying to get out of paying a boatload of money and doing a CYA at the same time.

[@KevinSun242]

She should just go take the truck and now she owns two fire trucks lol.

[@alexreyes3869]

be like sorry we screwd up

[@alexreyes3869]

but its different when its them tho. they take it personally

[@Yaco_Taco]

She should but now things are missing from it that were there when she bought it

[@alexreyes3869]

@@Yaco_Taco aw man yea had to rewatch they did dismantle it for parts

[@Wildstar40]

They should give her a complimentary "Sorry we screwed up" free fire truck. It was their error and I would sooner see the money go to her rather than some cold government owned auction that clearly has more money than brains anyway.

[@thefix2573]

Imagine if the Tables were turned. You'd be in jail.

[@addanametocontinue]

Seems the easiest thing is to give her a full refund, including what she may have paid to drive the truck to her.

[@davej7458]

Somebody actually made a mistake, and now they think they can ignore their obligation and bully their way through the problem. They have the opportunity to make a good faith settlement or lose an embarrassing and expensive case in the Courts. Damages should include the additional money that She resold the truck for but was unable to collect and time spent dealing with the City.

[@osco4311]

That's break-even, but it doesn't make up the profit she was going to make off the sale. Their mistake cost her money.

[@retread1083]

@@osco4311, no court would ever consider the potential profit she might have made. The responsibility of the seller in this case would be to make the buyer 'whole'. In other words, if they can't give the buyer what was agreed upon, they must take whatever steps are necessary to restore the buyer to the same position they were in before the agreement was made. Any costs incurred by the buyer (detailing, transportation, legal fees, etc) would be reimbursed by the seller. The wrong truck and the title would be returned to the seller.

[@osco4311]

@@retread1083 if she had a buyer lined up (she did) she can prove damages.

[@jbb8382]

@@retread1083 100% correct. You can't get your potential profits! Osco4311 is ridiculous!

[@TrafficCamWatch]

I don't know the outcome as of this comment but she unquestionably has the legal right to sue, or at least in most states in these bait and switch situations involving vehicles. I would love to hear about an update. NOTE: This is from 2018 and it's only now being noticed on KZbin? What a weird algorithm.

[@fyrman9092]

Love it when the government has to defend itself against being stupid.

[@ProperLogicalDebate]

@@fyrman9092 The government will blame someone else. Who could that be? They will blame the transporter employee and ignore their employee. So sorry but we did improve so (maybe) it won't happen again.

[@bawintermage8351]

The problem is that she doesn't have a title for the truck she has and the one she paid for isnt in her possession. The city also basically blamed HER for taking the wrong truck, making it theft by misappropriation on her part. I'd just take the 1500+ an option to have first no bid deals on any new fire vehicles for sale in the next year or two as compensation .

[@207522]

If the city mistakenly parted out a truck this woman legally owns they are legally required to repair her truck for her before returning it to her. If she has all the paperwork to prove she owns it the city is committing vandalism if they continue to take parts off her truck knowing they don't own legally it. It sounds like she needs to hire an attorney and possibly press charges as well.

[@davej7458]

Not likely to be a good enough answer. Miscellaneous unknown old parts slapped together are not going to be equal to the value of the well maintained truck they sold her. Government will screw you out of a dollar even if it costs thousands of dollars to do it.

[@jimijamesjowitt]

Govs running a chop shop. I wouldn't pay criminals taxes and would move away immediately.

[@robertc2413]

I used to buy and sell fire and police vehicles for a local city government. It sounds like the vehicle she bought was already stripped for extra parts to use for other fire trucks. Instead of admitting that, they tried to pull a fast one and send her another... oops! They will bury the person responsible under mountains of red tape and he or she will never take responsibility. I hope the purchaser ends up with a substantial financial settlement.

[@donk5058]

May I ask why you right like this

[@BUDDYSHADOW]

@@donk5058 He's a poet in his current job, and it's hard to write normally when not working.

[@daschwarz1649]

@@donk5058 The reason he " rights" because he knows how to write standard English.

[@donk5058]

@@daschwarz1649 o cool but why is the formatting so weird

[@daschwarz1649]

@@donk5058 I would suspect a formatting error or limitation on the electronic he was writing on. Oh, and you get no points.

[@Suburban-United]

This was 5 years ago... whatever happened to the case?

[@stargazer7644]

There is absolutely nothing out there. Presumably she decided to take the city up on their offer to refund her money and reimburse the shipping costs because that was the best deal she was going to get. That detail was left out of their top notch investigative reporting.

[@garlicbreadjenkins5780]

report the truck stolen, she has the title

[@Max_basil]

Imagine being a cop in Jacksonville and suddenly the fire truck driving past you lights and sirens shows up on your computer as reported stolen.

[@robmoney4life]

@@Max_basil lol they wouldn't do anything

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

Its a civil matter. Not a criminal incident. Just giving the details of the "theft" to the cops they would tell her its not technically stolen.

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

She needs a lawyer, not the cops. But then it's a question of cost vs benefits of getting the right truck back... might be a good small claims complaint

[@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki]

a quick court trip would get a bond guy to track the truck into the public domain, and then grab it with the keys in it!!

[@ryanv3751]

Seems like the transporter should share some responsibility for not verifying the vin and truck numbers.

[@berkeleycarlos]

The 5 mins it would take to check the truck number and VIN , before loading it for transport would have saved a lot of people a lot of heartburn.

[@didsomebodysaydmt8193]

I'd say he kinda did her a favor,lol. At least she has something for the 10 grand. If the truck she bought was "on the road" already she would have been out 10 grand and no truck. And it would have been 6 months or a year before she got her money back. They would have dragged that out for sure. Not to mention she still would have been charged by the transporter for at least half of the bill. Or the driver knew what was up and didn't want to lose a load,lol.

[@highpockets5340]

If there was damage/delay, then yes. Wrong vehicle released, wrong title released Totally Auctions fault.

[@KayColeLynn]

@@highpockets5340 but at the same time, if you are transporting a vehicle or any type, you should check the the vin to make sure you are being given the correct thing, even if the seller is saying it’s correct it may not be and checking the vin verifys that information. That being said the person that verified the release of the truck also should have checked the vin of the truck that was released against the one she bought. Honestly everyone is at fault for this is some way or another

[@highpockets5340]

@@KayColeLynn Sorry but only the person that released the wrong truck is responsible. Transport/driver did their job from pt A to B without damage/delay. I Think of it like a delivery from Amazon, if the contents are wrong is it the drivers fault?

[@keytothegate68]

How did this play out? It is five years later now.

[@Shark_King325]

She should sue the city for a bait and switch

[@overlandexpedition4656]

EASY SOLUTION: She has ownership papers; report the firetruck as stolen! Then force the Jacksonville PD to "recover" the vehicle! She would get the truck she's entitled to AND the City would be forced to pay restitution for damages! This isn't rocket-science!

[@jokersman666]

@M W lol you don't... Armchair lawyers know it all though

[@rustybones99]

Doesn’t work like that. It’s a civil matter at this point and the PD can’t (shouldn’t) do anything about it

[@youmurderer318]

Laughing at you and the 48 people who upvoted this lol

[@georgee6303]

You obviously have never heard of qualified immunity. It's almost next to impossible to take any legal action against the Government in this Country.

[@smee5437]

@milchuck Then why do they want the title back? Easy, they cannot do anything with that vehicle; they cannot sell it as they do not have the title. The state also would not issue a replacement since they are no longer the legal owner of it. As soon as they get that title, they can freely sell it. All she would need to do, file papers with the court and then take the court order to the sheriffs office and they are bound to enforce the court order that the vehicle is to be released. If the city wants to keep it, then they can try to convince the judge that they are the rightful owner even though they sold the vehicle and provided the title to the other party. All the city can do is delay and have legal fees accumulate; but when they lose, they will be out a lot more money and still not have that fire truck.

[@lordkermit4657]

lol so they want they ownership back of the truck she has, but they wont give her the truck she owns or her money back. might as well take them to court. but what i wanna know, is did she follow through?

[@jamielancaster01]

They need to make that truck whole & give her the truck she legally own!

[@jamielancaster01]

odeis5 It had tires on it when she bought it & the city has already admitted that they have taking parts off the truck after it was already sold. She took detailed pictures of truck before she bought it. If she takes it in front of a judge she’s going to win & get her attorney fees paid for. Why do you think she should just accept what the city initially wanted to give her?

[@jamielancaster01]

odeis5 As for the “as is” that is exactly what she wants - she what’s the truck that she bought just as it was when she bought it.

[@jamielancaster01]

odeis5 I’ve read several articles on this and she took detailed pictures of the truck and sent them to the buyer she had lined up for it. SHE LEGALLY OWNS THE TRUCK AND SHE HAS THE LEGAL TITLE IN HER NAME!. My daughter is an attorney and she said it’s much easier & faster to get the city to do the right thing willingly than to go to the courts first.

[@animalm4st3r]

@@jamielancaster01 who is she taking "detailed" pictures of the truck if she never went there and send someone else to pick it up WHO BY THE WAY PICKED UP THE WRONG ONE.

[@jamielancaster01]

TurtleIsNotAngry I’m not sure what we are arguing about. She sued the city & the city settled with her before they went to court back in August.

[@Die-CastMetal]

This story is over two years old, why is it now gaining a ton of views and comments? Am I missing something? Did she win the lawsuit yesterday?

[@LoneStarCowboy1]

K King can you give me a link pls

[@IAmElectrospecter]

Probably the youtube algorithm doing its thing

[@grabasandwich]

Algorithms

[@DarthVader-2737]

@K King LINK

[@thwarteddd]

@K King You got a link for it?

[@player400_official]

I just learned that there are people flipping FIRETRUCKS for profit. Who even buys them???

[@machninety7334]

My car was once parked in front of my friends house. It was snowing, and there wasn’t any parking ban issued. We went to a ski resort that was local. Returning back from our trip, I seen my car completely smashed in on the fender and wheel area completely destroying the car. I called the police, and they said they would send someone out. 5 hours later no one showed up. I called a couple more times and they kept saying someone would come. The neighbors came out and said they seen what happened. A city snow plow truck had smashed into it. I called the police back and they told me I would have to fix my car myself, and then send the city the bill and they would determine if the repairs were necessary. I told them I needed their insurance information and they refused. Also, since I was now deprived of a vehicle I relied on for transportation, I told them by law I must be given a rental vehicle until my car was repaired. I was threatened on the phone by a police officer saying that if I kept causing trouble they would charge me with illegally parking a car and obstructing police. So I called 19 action news. A few hours later I was on TV and I told my story. And guess what? The next day I was contacted by someone. They gave me the information I needed, got me a tow truck to tow my vehicle to the repair shop of my choosing, which is the law, and they said all damages would be paid for in full. And guess what else? I got my rental car. Unfortunately I still missed 3 classes at the college I was attending but at least it was handled. Funny thing though, after all that was taken care of, the news network pulled my video off of their site and it was no where to be found anymore. I wish I still had it. I liked being on TV. Made me feel cool fighting for justice and holding the city accountable and forcing them to OBEY THE LAW.

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

Why you didn't record or capture that clip bruh?!?!

[@isaacy.3227]

This is the most American problem ever

[@sagelg]

How is this “the most American problem ever” it’s a serious problem all over the world. Not only did she buy something & was given something else & not only did she buy a truck have the paperwork for a specific truck (that if she were to get involved with the police in any matter when pertaining to the truck she will get arrested for not having the correct paperwork & will legally be seen as GTA) but more importantly she bought it from a governmental body & said governmental body not only gave her the wrong truck but are refusing to help her. A governmental body telling a citizen that they will get something only to give that citizen something else happens all over the world.

[@thenotoriusbp]

@@sagelg it was a funny haha

[@pepethepatriot7524]

Not sure what this has to do with "America" since this can happen in any country. You sound like a typical liberal "American hater"

[@Alcosmos_]

@@pepethepatriot7524 Private fire departments don't exist here in Spain at all. They are all run by the government and with new fire trucks only, so those old fire trucks are completely useless here. So yeah, it's a very American thing indeed.

[@sagelg]

@@Alcosmos_ private fire departments don’t exist in America either. What the women wanted to do was buy an old truck, refurbish (or make it new if you don’t know what that means) & then give it away to a fire station that needs it.

[@zachhatten7740]

So they damaged the truck after they realized the mix-up hoping to scare her off? L Jacksonville. Did we get a resolution to this?

[@allywilkeforsenate]

Absoloutly vehicle fraud and a citzen would be arrested for it.

[@David-td4ik]

you know the lady who drives a fire truck casually is not the one you want to mess with

[@SykotikShadow]

Is there a follow-up to this story anyone can link? Trying to find it but can't. I would really like to know what happened.

[@Jackalski57]

Govdeals will ban you from buying & suspends your account if you violate the terms as a buyer. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to apply to sellers. I've gone somewhere to pick an item up and had to receive a refund, because it "wasn't there any longer". Funny thing is, you also have to jump through the hoops required by the seller in terms of differing terms of payment, time of payment, pickup times, etc., etc., etc. The transporter should refund her fee for not checking both the VIN and Unit # before taking possession of it. The City should also do an investigation of the circumstances and punish anyone who may have done this on purpose, as in "bait and switch". Administration may have wanted to be rid of the 2002 model and the listing agent accidentally listed the 2004 model or they may have wanted the 2004 unit gone, but the Town Garage may have wanted the Unit kept and stripped, just as they ended up doing. This is a fail on many levels and she should not only recover the difference in value, but also what she put out for transporting and detailing it. That's what's fair. The City should have its Govdeals account suspended for a period of time too.

[@laustinspeiss]

The fact they’ve stripped HER truck for parts, makes the transaction to fix regis, a lot more complicated. Depending on the terms of the sale, it could range from a refund, replacement, or up to providing an alternate product to the same value and functionality as the ‘misplaced’ item. If I was her, I’d start by lodging a claim for a new truck with all matching equipment, then let them negotiate down from that with my lawyer - and they’re paying for them too !

[@Peter-jl4ki]

Yep. The $1500 difference is somewhat reasonable as a good faith first offer to make her whole. But their bargaining position is gone after stripping the vehicle while she owned it, so she has no reason to take that offer.

[@Peter-jl4ki]

@Snowsc Used firetrucks are not considered fungible. They stripped her truck by accident, so they owe her full restoration of her truck. They owe her the truck plus restoration of the truck, which would probably cost them about 20'000. They want to give her a different cheaper truck, of their choosing, and the difference in price, which costs them nothing (she already paid for it). She didn't buy that different truck, and they can't force her to accept it. Used firetrucks are not fungible. The moment they refused to give her her truck when notified about the mistake, they made it much harder to claim it's all an accident, which opens the possibility of damages as well.

[@countfrackula6707]

If I was her, I'd contact local PD, call it "stolen" (because it was) and tell them that a PI found it stripped for parts at x location. Press charges on the people who stole it.

[@catsabotage3362]

​@@countfrackula6707 cops never do anything against government workers unless those workers are doing something to fix our police state.

[@HYUKLDER1]

When substituting a sold auction item with a similar but inferior item, what is the difference between a mistake and fraud if the seller, not only does not subsequently supply the correct item, but devalues the correct item by removing parts off it to use elsewhere?

[@fastrice3461]

“Can I have the title back?” Lol

[@bartyr5150]

If she has the title she should be able to charge someone with theft

[@VidClips858]

It's civil non-delivery, not criminal theft. She never had possession of it in order for it to be stolen from her.

[@bok..]

@@VidClips858 ikr, everybody is out here saying the city commited a felony!

[@k.s.333]

Can't find any follow up to this. Did she go to court, what became of that?

[@ryang1589]

When we the people do something wrong we are held accountable we need to hold our officials accountable

[@jackseamon7064]

If the city canned the employees who messed up checking the certifiable identification numbers on two vehicles, they would find the money to fix her truck and cover the costs from the salaries. And they'd be freed from a useless employee or ten...

[@Pete391]

The city needs to pay her all her money back and transport fees she is out and come get the 2002 truck....

[@ickypowwow6635]

thats not how it works. like the attorney explained she paid for it and received a title, after that point it was her property.

[@ickypowwow6635]

Once you pay for something it is your property. The seller doesnt get to just take it back if they want and refund the money.

[@SupaStah01]

@@ickypowwow6635 she paid for a truck to go along with that title.

[@ickypowwow6635]

SupaStah01 that’s my point

[@ickypowwow6635]

soupertrooper thats my point it’s still her vehicle they don’t get to just take it back and refund the money. That’s not how sales work

[@jbb8382]

Crazy easy decision. Return the truck & title for full refund. The city should pay all the total transport costs. Plain & Simple

[@MrT8T3R]

Two years later, I wonder if she’s still litigating.

[@0xsergy]

eh, that's when you return it. you never received what you bought, etc. I paid for a 2004, not a 2002.

[@tbag-2224]

@@0xsergy Exactly... enough with the tantrum. Return it, get your money back.. move on

[@richmun3131]

@@tbag-2224 Return it?? SHE OWNS IT!! Its her truck, they need to give it to her along with all the equipment that was in it.

[@fearlesscrusader]

@@tbag-2224 Wouldn't it make more sense for them to return her truck to her?

[@scottieflamingo718]

The truck had a massive oil leak. If I was the city I would have just given her the truck. Then laughed as it broke down on the way to her house.

[@stonedalldayjedi533]

2 years old..recommended to everyone in the past 24 hours

[@Elbert844]

Why is a 5 year old story popping up on peoples reccomended list now?

[@didsomebodysaydmt8193]

How friggin hard is it? SHE HAS THE TITLE!!!

[@bobmazzi7435]

But she also has the wrong truck. 2 years older means much less value, and both losing value as every day passes. Of course, the city does not care as it's taxpayer money.

[@stefanx8344]

I have a golden idea: we buy a fleet of firetrucks then start fires in areas repeatedly, making the trucks price skyrocket, THEN we flip em.

[@herbderbler1585]

Antifa, is that you?

[@kato2395]

Blm is that you?

[@stefanx8344]

The two comments above me are clearly not talented in the art of doing business. Bringing politics into this will not benefit our profit margin whatsoever. The money in my pocket wont feel different, weather the person it came from has a skin that is white brown black or burnt to a crisp like the survivors of the fires mentioned earlier. Smdh.

[@kato2395]

@@stefanx8344 if you're talented in doing business you would look for the organization/individual that is good at doing the burning. Yeah idc wether they are black, white, yellow or green.

[@james_ford86]

@@stefanx8344 Well, I'm shaking my damn head over how you got the word "weather" confused for "whether." Go back to school man.

[@digilyd]

And the outcome was .... ??? .... did it get resolved ... did Jacksonville re-assemble the incorrectly disassembled truck as any private seller would have to?

[@toddperry9860]

Why does this surprise anyone cities, counties, and states are some of the most incompetent groups you can ever deal with.

[@turbohawk]

Really only the ones run by democrats...super incompetent!

[@atotheg7652]

Troll ^ don't respond.

[@rrai1999]

@@atotheg7652 He's damn right

[@atotheg7652]

@@rrai1999 are you talking about Todd or D T?

[@rrai1999]

@@atotheg7652 DT

[@Harley365]

I’m sure the city couldn’t get ahold of her. She is fighting to get the truck why would she ignore them. Sue the hell out of hem

[@HM2SGT]

*I wonder how this all worked out?*

[@jimyaekel7385]

I've purchased from GovDeals a number of times and this is the type of situation you can potentially get into. I made a purchase from a school system, paid for it including a transfer fee and made arrangements for pickup. The day beforfe I contacted the point of contact who NOW told me another school had decided they could use the furniture I purchased and it was no longer available. The website told me since I had not yet taken possession of the items I did not own them, and I was S.O.L on getting my money transfer fee (a transfer which THEY insisted on) returned to me. That was my last govdeals purchase.

[@observingcitizen404]

Wait until the truck is fully repaired, tuned up, etc... Then hire a repo agent! As long as you're the title holder, cops cant legally say/do SH!T.

[@bobmazzi7435]

20 years old it's probably aged out on what their insurance will cover. And that's why old trucks lose so much value. Fire insurance companies rate cities based ( among other things ) on the age and capacities of their trucks.

[@cooloffroadtrucks]

That thing was being stripped most like Irreparably damaged in the process (when told to strip a unit they don't care what you do as long as certain parts are saved) next stop a junk yard then its soda cans

[@Caderic]

@@cooloffroadtrucks "Irreparably damaged" no such thing in reality. It might cost thousands but you can repair it...especially if she takes them to court and the they are required to repair it.

[@XykuJoxa]

@@Caderic That's exactly what she should do. Sue hard and force them to repair damage they dealt to her vehicle. If they don't have documentation of the damage they did, then she can sue to have the entire vehicle refinished. Not to mention it's bait and switch.

[@cooloffroadtrucks]

@@Caderic the problem you run into is when we take emergency vehicles apart (I worked for a upfitter) there are things that are destroyed that can not be replaced thus making it irreparable, many of these trucks have custom parts that are not manufactured anymore or are custom to that series truck. In fact wiring from truck to truck varies so greatly you sometimes can't use the same parts from truck to truck. Also you have the factor that the truck was deemed surplus / scrap it would now be a ilibilty to try and put it back on the road (I also was a shop manager for a government location) the laws regarding removal and destruction of equipment vary from state to state but I cant tell you how many good cars they had me crush because of regulation.

[@peterliljebladh]

Sell it back to the city, but deliver them a toy firetruck claiming an ooopsie.

[@iamlucascruz]

Such a random story... yet I’m very interested and invested into its outcome. What happened?!!

[@campbellpaul]

This is why you should never feel bad about suing the city for something... If the tables were turned, you would be arrested for *grand theft auto*

[@LuhNoSho]

I love playing Grand Theft Auto but not in real life , City’s are the crooks of the government

[@t_c5266]

Any update on this case? Hopefully good news.

[@davidhenderson3400]

Why not give her the title to the truck is is driving around her yard. And where is that truck now?

[@CrossRoadsOfTime]

I think they would gladly pay the that $1.5k to swap titles. but the thing is she doesn't want this truck she wants that truck. it could be that the year she's got is much harder to resell and she wouldn't of ever bid on the one she has now..

[@eikonlosangeles]

I’d simply report it stolen and hire a lawyer. Wouldn’t even talk to them at that point.

[@DjViz]

Doesn’t anyone else miss when this was the “Breaking News” instead of Covid or Trump. 😪

[@puppylove1429]

If someone drinks everytime they hear "truck" they would be dead 😂

[@Automage45]

Love this women! I want to hug her and thank her! Heck of a engineer!

[@68air]

The city settled by giving her title to Jacksonville Beach accidentally instead of a stay at the beach.

[@donovan2913]

LOL ! Wouldn't that just be the icing on the cake :)

[@Pawtism]

The city would be wise to just pay her all the money back (it's going to be a lot cheaper than the court case that they will ultimately lose).

[@Pawtism]

@milchuck she would be entitled to her money back as they didn't give her the proper item (of course, she'd have to return the wrong truck as well). The damages from paying a transporter are iffy, but it will be cheaper for the city, long term, to just pay now rather than hash that out in court. They will definitely lose the refund part. They may get away with not paying the transport part and detail part, but the court costs would be more than that.

[@Pawtism]

@milchuck you're thinking about small claims and just the filing costs. Normal civil courts are a bit more expense. However, the filing costs aren't the big expense, the attorney fees are the big expense.

[@taxfreedollars]

@@Pawtism, Yeah I agree the best way out for them, is to refund her and take the other truck and title back. I think if they offered her that and she refused and took it to court, it may be viewed by the court as unreasonable.

[@Pawtism]

@@taxfreedollars Agreed, it would be unreasonable for her not to accept a full refund (there is no way they are going to retrofit that truck and give it to her, nor should they).

[@Pawtism]

@milchuck Laywers get involved over much less. You know that firetruck is about 10k (or more), right?

[@budmoore7971]

If they are holding and damaging the truck that she bought by removing parts, them she has the right to have them repair the truck by replacing all the parts they removed even if they have to purchase new parts and then pay to have it delivered and pick up the one they tried to give her instead. In essence they are stripping a truck that they don't own. I think that's Grand theft auto.

[@CapnSlipp]

That’s fine if the truck is no longer available, but City of Jacksonville does not hold the title, so that truck is stolen property. Legal action is one thing, but seriously, call the State Police / FBI and have them recover the stolen property.

[@marcusreed6647]

@cap'n slipp thats a good idea. i would register that truck, tag it or whatever i had to do inorder to show ownership, make the title comes back in my name and like u said file a stolen police report.

[@tnpcook]

They don't get to pick what compensation she pursues, she has the option to request restoration of her owned vehicle at the city's expense. This does assume they were responsible for verification.