I Respectfully Invoke The T'Kal-in-ket - Star Trek Discovery 3x07

I Respectfully Invoke The T'Kal-in-ket - Star Trek Discovery 3x07

[@zeratul1985]

So the T'Kal-in-Ket is basically a PhD thesis defense lol

[@daniels7907]

Exactly! Vulcans have little tolerance for pseudoscience. So it only makes sense that they would have a formal system in place for requiring someone to defend a hypothesis.

[@Sonnabend00]

Sister of spock WTF.................

[@daniels7907]

@@Sonnabend00 - She was adopted by Sarek and Amanda when her Human parents were believed to be dead. So she's not Spock's biological sister, but they did grow up together.

[@Sonnabend00]

@@daniels7907 No they didnt. Dorothy Fontana stated that when ST was created, they declared that Spock had no other family, to stop a trail of spock siblings John M Ford the Final Reflecton - Spock was an only child,. Sybok was a sick joke Discovery is garbage.

[@daniels7907]

@@Sonnabend00 - Dude, this is not a religion! You need to stop taking decades-old statements as gospel.

[@vladasilva]

When she asks if they still honor the old ways, the President already knew what Michael was thinking... The expression and the way she says "They Do" leave that so evident! Great Acting!

[@danielhaire6677]

"Great. The Federation had to send the ONE person who knows our rulebook as well as we do."

[@Mxyzptlksac]

I thought that T’rina suspected this might happen

[@yseson_]

To watch Stamits go into a jump without bracing for pain is great

[@lumberluc]

He likes it better than being stabbed.

[@daniels7907]

He certainly looked happier about it.

[@KnowTrentTimoy]

It's almost like a new series except we have a great background of the ship and its crew.

[@matthewmcarthur4293]

I love you

[@themotorcyclemasswhole]

Well the creepy “ I live in a van and inappropriately touch children” smile certainly didn’t help 😂

[@daniels7907]

She's still being a bit of a loose cannon. But, in this case I think that the Admiral would approve because this is the closest Starfleet has come to solving the mystery of the Burn. If they can do so, it will prove to the galaxy that Starfleet and the Federation are not irrelevant or helpless. Which could help them win back member worlds.

[@lumberluc]

She's bullrushing. That'll leave a lot of worlds in ruin, but "Leave no stone unturned" is a needs right now.

[@seymssogood]

Michael as a loose cannon is great to watch.

[@ExWEIMan]

@@seymssogood Of course she is-Space Jesus is always ready to save the day.

[@seymssogood]

@@ExWEIMan Watching SWM whine and complain about it is even more fun.

[@bjornjoseph]

​@@ExWEIMan space Jesus is the only one that CAN save the day. 😂😂😂😊

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

I love the WHAT!? looks on the other officers. It is fascinating when when a team member pulls a surprise.

[@danielhaire6677]

Except for Detmer - She's like "Its game on now!!"

[@NorthForkFisherman]

All the while thinking, "Burnham, what did you stir up this time?"

[@KristofferEk]

the fact Burnham almost looks disqusted that he would question if she had prepaired for it is kinda funny.

[@TransportBaz]

Saru: Oh crap, what's she doing now?!?! Detmer: Ohhhhhhhh, it's on now! Your move, asshat! Rest of the bridge crew: You respectfully do the what now?

[@BrowncoatInABox]

Funny shit

[@tomwotton9]

“I assume you are prepared?” “Of course Sir............that being said,just give me 5 minuets!” Love Tom

[@warwargr3654]

I've had issues with the Burnham character since the beginning. The actress obviously does the best she can, she's following a script like everyone else but the writers seem to forget one moment to the next what her personality is, it's all over the place and the characters' actions show this. But, remembering something and looking it up, I think I found the perfect quote that portrays my opinion of Burnham, either inconsistent the writers are or they crank whatever she expresses verbally or through actions, up a thousandfold: 'You have the arrogance of Andorians, stubborn pride of Tellarites, one moment you are driven by your emotions like Klingons and the next you confound us by suddenly embracing logic.' as said by Ambassador Soval to Admiral Forrest in Enterprise when he shares the Vulcan views on humans.

[@ashlynnp.9609]

Don’t forget that you also hate her because she’s black.

[@warwargr3654]

@@ashlynnp.9609 Well, i said something about the character and not the actress herself...so automatically I hate her because she's black, because she's a woman, doesn't conform with binary views, hate her for whatever religion she follows and have personally assaulted and belittled her political views and her contribution as a human being. XD

[@Ae13UPrime]

I agree with WarWagr. The characterization of Burnham seems inconsistent at times. It has nothing to do with the character's skin color. It's the writing. Similarly, the resolution of Dr. Culber's arc after he died was disappointing. He's struggling with a profound existential experience, but a couple sarcastic remarks by Jett Reno and hey, it's all cool. Notaro though is awesome. She should be getting more screen time.

[@CurryBoy17]

@@ashlynnp.9609 Are you saying we should hate every non white actor/actress then? Same logic lmao

[@seymssogood]

Michael being all over the place is deliberate; it's not a scripting error or weak writing. If you track the events that occurred in the character's life, the traumas, loss of parents by Klingons as a child, raised on Vulcan where she had to suppress an undeveloped emotions, going to Starfleet and working among emotional humans while emotionally stunted herself, encountering Klingons again and revisiting the trauma from childhood, then the long road to learning how to deal with human emotions as an adult having skipped that difficult learning stage of adolescence, you end up with someone who is professionally brilliant but emotionally messed up. This is her character arc.

[@lezhilo772]

I didn't really like Discovery's ship design when they announced it, but I think shes starting to grow on me. The new 32nd century look and smoother spore jumps certainly help,

[@randomrazr]

me thinks its shit

[@pooppoop6546]

Another comment also pointed out that when discovery jumped her nacelles temporarily re attached to the main part of the ship

[@jigolocana7492]

But the point that they're ships are like that in the 22nd century is unacceptable. They looked too advance. It should be the age during the development of the constitution class. They look as if they took their ships of star trek online which i don't hate. But they do not fit the timeline.

[@thegoose1005]

@@jigolocana7492 to slightly correct you, it was actually the 23rd century, not the 22nd. The 22nd century was the time of the NX-01 Enterprise, not the NCC-1701 Enterprise.

[@ashlynnp.9609]

@@thehantavirus You shouldn’t forgive how horrendous season 1 of TNG, Voyager, and DS9 is either then. Star Trek has a knack for Riker’s beard.

[@mattwho81]

Sure was a nice top-secret spore drive we had there for a while...

[@jeeshadow1]

Considering the nature of the crew, the diplomatic sensitivity of the mission, and the fact of having to explain how Burnham isn't dead, I think the Federation decided they needed to put all their cards on the table in the hopes of trying to get Ni'Var to trust them

[@daniels7907]

@@jeeshadow1 - Agreed. Secrecy and dishonesty would have simply alienated a world that the Federation would very much like to see rejoin someday. Admiral Vance clearly wanted both the data and a new diplomatic opportunity. Opening with a bunch of lies would have ruined that. On the other hand, both Vulcans and Romulans have long histories of keeping information under wraps. Starfleet could probably assume that they wouldn't go around telling the whole galaxy information that was shared in good faith. Even more important, the existence of the spore drive might be a deliberate enticement to convince Ni'Var that the Federation is not as weak as they thought. Discovery jumping to Ni'Var proves that Starfleet can once again cross the galaxy - and thus is back on the playing field.

[@lumberluc]

How the prez just said "Spore Drive" indicated that she was not in a mood for secrets.

[@daniels7907]

@@lumberluc - It would be illogical for her to waste time pretending not to know something that both she and the people she is dealing with are well aware of.

[@dantruong2582]

Saru: This is another example of the our trust issues Micheal...

[@lumberluc]

Michael is being a die hard here. That will both keep everyone on their toes and endanger them.

[@daniels7907]

They need a Betazoid captain, mostly because somebody needs to monitor what Burnham is thinking at all times. Just the fact that Sarek's one word of advice before leaving her with Prime!Georgiou was "Behave!" should tell anyone just how much of a handful she has always been.

[@danielhaire6677]

@@daniels7907 You don't think that keeping up with her would burn out a Betazoid CO?

[@daniels7907]

@@danielhaire6677 - I think that Burnham would start acting like Mariner on Lower Decks.

[@Murlin8]

This whole series is weird and not the usual star trek stuff but it garners a unique interest. I'll have to watch this from the beginning.

[@patriciapike6795]

You know what? Nothing I have seen has made me want to see this show. This did. Thank you.

[@BrowncoatInABox]

2 months later. Sooooo what you thino

[@WardNightstone]

i LOVE the charicters of discovery i just hate the Everythign else of discovery at one point i started a count of every time somthign in s 1 broke established cannon i stopped counting after a while

[@markfuston2714]

Coming from a fan, the show gets progressively better so I wouldn't give up because you hate the first couple episodes. I thought the first season was super mediocre, but I really liked the later seasons.

[@danielharvison7510]

@@markfuston2714 Discovery has the rare distinction of making me LIKE a mirror universe arc. I thought it was really well done in this show, whereas in every other Trek, I've more or less dreaded the very mention of that universe. Plus, it had Emperor Georgiou.

[@LS87B3]

The BURN - and - Commander BURN'EM!- I see what you did there! :D

[@tompengelly8030]

So ecstatic to have it stated somewhere that science is not a neutral art. This show gives me a lot of hope.

[@daniels7907]

The idea that one can formally challenge somebody else to scientific debate is appealing. It means that people touting pseudo-scientific cultural ideas cannot simply spew their notions into the blogosphere and try to win public support without having to defend their hypothesis, as happens all too often nowadays in real life.

[@CWR1701]

@@daniels7907 anyone who uses the phrase "The Science is Settled" doesn't know science. It's never settled. Being able to challenge long held scientific beliefs is just as important and filtering out the "Psuedo-Science"

[@daniels7907]

@@CWR1701 - That's why we still talk about the "theory of relativity", even though Einstein's work holds up quite well under experimental scrutiny. There is more that we don't know than what we do.

[@CWR1701]

@@daniels7907 Exactly. I just get irritated when people act as if science is something closer to religion than it really is. Things like Settled Science and Trust the Experts as if it's religious dogma. Priests get faith, Scientist do not.

[@daniels7907]

@@CWR1701 - The problem is that many people think of science and religion as competing with one another, usually because science often contradicts ancient scriptures. But that is a flawed perspective, as science is about understanding the physical universe. It's not supposed to answer spiritual questions, nor is it assumed that the oldest hypothesis must be true by virtue of age, as people commonly assume with religion.

[@markguzman5492]

Detached nacelles reattach just before the jump 🖖

[@Adam_12azUSA]

I did not notice that, Thank you! :)

[@ulrek54321]

Hmmm moving nacelles...voyager? Is that you?

[@fastertrackcreative]

Well would be a bit of an issue if the ship tried to jump but left the nacelles behind.

[@DeaconBlues117]

@@ulrek54321Officially, attaching the nacelles with "smart matter" that lets them move a bit in relation to the ship herself improves handling and response speed. It's why all the 32nd-century Fed ships have them. Refitting the _Discovery_ with new nacelles was a big part of hiding the fact that the entire ship is in that spacetime illegally (time travel was outlawed in the 30th century, for good reason, and all records pertaining to it destroyed - according to regs, Vance should have seized the ship and arrested her entire crew when they showed up, but he realized that they needed the DASH drive too badly for that).

[@rcslyman8929]

"Oh, fascinating is a word I use for the unexpected."

[@Zeemis]

Gotta love the AMV at the end of the video, top notch editing

[@KnowTrentTimoy]

That looks like a very advanced orbital weapons platform. Discovery's sudden appearance started it to activation.

[@damionpreston1723]

When she walked into the shot she looked super-cute, like she was a kid... i WAS LIKE "AWWWW" LOL

[@NineWorldsFromDrew]

When I first watched these scenes, of Michael invoking the T’Kal In’Ket, I couldn’t help but shout out loud what I immediately assumed would follow….. “….And then we shall FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!” 🤣

[@bjornjoseph]

She just did whatever she wanted without discussing it with command. Lol

[@Omega0850]

As she did since episode one. Its one of the reasons why she is such an unlikeable character.

[@mcslender2965]

​@@Omega0850idk man Kirk did all kinds of stuff like this and we love him for it

[@DeaconBlues117]

@@Omega0850You find that "unlikeable"? Fascinating. Did you find Kirk and Sisko "unlikeable" as well?

[@Jiefyang]

A commander totally sidelining the captain.. yeah, that happens

[@XiuFeanaro6]

He's not really really the captain per se.

[@dwightdale8426]

Burnham: Read the fine print.

[@Dakidd-pb9zc]

Shouldn't you be at a klan rally or something?!

[@bearclaws]

So this ancient and hallowed Vulcan ritual is....a PhD defence?

[@augustjsb]

I mean.. that tracks..

[@suma4m]

It sounded as if she demanded trial by combat.

[@DeaconBlues117]

The intellectual equivalent, yes.

[@revchai6897]

the vulcans on discovery are less.....vulcan-y, which i guess makes sense given that the galaxy is in shambles and they're reunified with the romulans so they've probably loosened up somewhat on their adherence to surak's philosophy?

[@danielharvison7510]

Yeah, they go into it a fair bit in this episode. They even have a few Romulan rituals and monastic orders on Ni'Var as well. Re-unification definitely required compromise all around.

[@superraggazio]

I'll say it that planetary defense system we needed yesterday.

[@Ohalexsimmons]

A nu Trek episode with talking and diplomacy and no explosions or action... What is this the 90's?

[@Ohalexsimmons]

@Blvkk Theres no action scenes in this episode.

[@odst1172]

Yeah so far I was pretty surprised with his season. Still quite a bit aggressive and full of tension unlike TNG buut it is nice to see a little logic. Hopefully they'll continue that route and not exclude previously built lore.

[@samueleveleigh2767]

*looks at ds9 and voyager

[@KamepinUA]

that sure is a speedy jump

[@CWR1701]

Yup, 23rd century bleeding edge science combined with 32nd century tech advancements.

[@gicking3898]

Never really seen this show before. Most crews would have cut communications, discussed it with the Captain, who likely would have proceeded, but with the backup of all crew members. She's nuts

[@samabrams5297]

She’s also spent a year outside of Starfleet, uncovering the mystery without Starfleet oversight. It’s well within context, and this episode explores that as well.

[@VoodooV1]

one of the many reasons people hate how Burnham is written. she plays the loose cannon game, gets scolded for being a loose cannon, but the writers always make sure she's the one that's right in the end. its fucking obnoxious

[@guywall5690]

@@VoodooV1 that is consistent in Star Trek. Kirk always was a loose cannon. It seems like people loved him for it. Data was always cheered when he went outside the borders of human expectations. Ro Laren was 100% loose canon and she was loved. Heck, Janeway was pretty wild, but she’s never excoriated like Burnham. I think the character is a great human. She’s pretty awesome!

[@rentristandelacruz]

"We will use the old ways." - Darkseid

[@hernandez2217]

Alot of people hate on this TV show but I see it as a great gateway into star trek universe for newbies I know alot of people that had never watched star trek but since watching this have now watched picard and went back and watched older star trek content. The more eyes on star trek the more interested generated put us on a good path for good budget shows/movies that go back to the star trek we love

[@Omega0850]

No, it means the new budged will be allocated to shows like this one, not to the Star Trek we love.

[@mcslender2965]

​@@Omega0850eh. DSC was my gateway Trek show, now I enjoy it alongside TOS, TNG and also newer ones like SNW or LD.

[@Adaephonable]

'alot' is not a word.

[@UnionJak]

Something we continuously have to deal with. Small minds!

[@jimjimellell]

The unexpected loud music at the end will ensure that I never watch anything else from New Up.

[@Iceflkn]

I just realized how reckless Burnham's being, right now. Starfleet desperately wants Ni'Var back in the Federation but Burnham's totally ignoring the President's warnings. Her inquiry, if done now, would almost certainly cause massive political upheaval. If the relationships between the three factions on Ni'Var really are in bad shape, then her pressing the issue like this, could cause civil war. Driving everyone away from each other. Undoing all of Spock's work! Her list of titles would grow: 1. 1st officer in Starfleet 2. Traitor 3. Citizen of Ni'Var And... 4. Destroyer of Ni'Var! Starfleet pressured the Vulcans to the point, that they truly believed they'd been forced to cause the burn. This injured them to their very core. The guilt for all the deaths, immediate and then those that followed later. The shame that they were capable of such massive blunders. Whole civilizations isolated and left to their own devices. No wonder Vulcan left the Federation! Now, through their top secret, Section 31 weapon of mass destruction, "Michael Burnham", Starfleet can be credited with finishing Vulcan/Ni'Var off! Of course, I realize that the plot of the story needed this to happen, so she would be given the opportunity to impress the President. And in doing so, opens an unexpected avenue to gain what she sought. 😉

[@kenp7814]

T'Kal-in-Ket = Double Secret Probation

[@pauloakwood9208]

Whatever else Discovery is, it is not Star Trek. That goodness for the Picard series. It captures some of the old flavor of the Star Trek universe.

[@donrichards514]

I hope for the sake of all her logic will be inescapable so that the truth will be brought to light.

[@DeaconBlues117]

Eh, "inescapable" turned out to be a bit of a stretch. Things turned out all right in the end, though.

[@followerofjulian1652]

When will we be cured of STD?! 🤣🤣🤣

[@darikai219]

So damn beautiful

[@Fletchman1313]

As much as I hate the Michael Burnham character, I liked how she was portrayed in this scene. Some of the Vulcan "upbringing" is still there, and she threw a Vulcan trump card at them.

[@lawrencejohnson3259]

❤Burnum👑🖖🏾

[@amethystanne4586]

Daughter of Sarek, sister of Spock……….. that is cool!

[@hmrhuang]

The bridge is massive, the technology FAR more advanced. Some prequel series, rme............................=)

[@DeaconBlues117]

The "more advanced" technology was installed after they arrived in the 32nd century and the ship underwent a major refit. It's massive because the Crossfield-class predates the Constitution-class, so to fit the same amount of technological capability in at the time they needed more space. Your complain is akin to thinking that a clipper ship is more "advanced" than an Iowa-class battleship because the command center takes up the entire poop deck.

[@txmonkeyking]

Lol

[@misterlau5246]

First time ever I watch Discovery, and I find it a little weird, I saw a guy putting his hands on to something very strange. And now Spock has another sister. How 's that so? Last time I saw there was a brother of Spock was in that movie "why god needs a ship?"

[@dominikfabos4520]

Well perhaps you should watch the 2 and a half season that lead to this episode, some say that its too different but my opinion is that with the advancments in hollywood it would be irrisponsible not to change up the scenery for something more modern. But anyhow your questions are answered in the show - watch it

[@DeaconBlues117]

Dominik is right - watch the show. This is during the third season. As for Spock, short version is that Michael's parents were killed by Klingons at a scientific outpost; Sarek felt responsible, as he was the commander of the outpost, so he adopted Michael. She was raised alongside Spock. (Spock never discussed it because he never discussed personal matters if he could possibly avoid it - he never even told his captain and best friend that the Vulcan ambassador to the Federation was his father until Jim pressured him to go planetside on Vulcan to visit his parents, while Sarek and Amanda were standing right there.)

[@misterlau5246]

@@DeaconBlues117 thanks 🤭 I already watched the show. To be honest, it wasn't as bad as many people said, tho it definitely doesn't fit as a prequel. We are tied to the first incarnation of Trek. Putting Discovery directly in the future of standard oldies goldies instead of "indirectly" into the past would have made more sense, and they ended up precisely there

[@DeaconBlues117]

@@misterlau5246Other than certain stylistic choices, which I mostly chalk up to the fact that Roddenberry simply didn't have the budget for anything like this (see, for example, his statement about the lobster-headed Klingons in ST:TMP), there's nothing in either DSC or SNW that contradicts TOS "canon". For that, you have to watch TOS, which didn't really have a "canon" at all because in the '60s people would have looked at you like you had an extra head if you started arguing about what phasers look like or what the transporter really does.. I'm also uncertain about your claim to have watched DSC, as it's stated several times in dialog (and covered in flashback) that Spock is her adoptive brother, that she was raised by Sarek and Amanda and that she and Spock hadn't spoken in years due to issues from their childhoods. (Vulcans can be stubborn like that - Sarek didn't speak with Spock for almost two decades after Spock decided to join Starfleet instead of attending the Vulcan Science Academy.)

[@justsomechapinatophat5517]

This is one hella emotional Vulcan for one being deemed president lol. No hate to the acting but Vulcan's usually sound a lot more dead

[@riyapatel6291]

If a vulcan is slightly emotional you know shits gonna go down . I think dead tone would work worse in interplanetary negotiations , also Romulan reintegration could mean vulcans are a bit less constrained

[@RoballTV]

Vulcan: We am dum, we am no split Sighunz from cultur. Burnham: Gud. Me am do dum cultur fing. Vulcan: Ohnoes! me am do too! Saru: Dafuq? Burnham: Sighunz! \o/

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

Is Ni'Var adopted the government style of the Federation?

[@lumberluc]

With the Vulcan and Romulan races finally United, they needed to implement a democracy. But they are still traditionalists, so they follow the rules closer.

[@donpula6349]

@@lumberluc Very true.

[@donpula6349]

Its more like combining both their governments & politcal system. No longer the Old Empire from the Romulan but reforming a new with their Vulcan cousins into a new Republic - 1 that was equal & all...

[@blockwriters5728]

I can't wait til the new season!!! Michael is awesome!!

[@hashiramacells9845]

It’s kinda sad out of all the Star Trek series this bridge crew is the only crew that I don’t know their names any except Tilly Micheal and saru it’s sad really even voyager and enterprise had more memorable crew members

[@eanrollins3443]

That's because those two were better shows.

[@hashiramacells9845]

@@eanrollins3443 yeah and those were sub par compared to the others so what’s discovery

[@eanrollins3443]

@@hashiramacells9845 I'm not even a trekkie to know that this show is bad.

[@blockwriters5728]

@@eanrollins3443 Based upon what? Your prejudices?

[@eanrollins3443]

@@blockwriters5728 no by actually check Star Trek lore and history. Also by watching an actual show.

[@DigitalJesuit]

Tickled and cat?

[@Jamhael1]

Yeah, the "old custom" is just a PhD thesis defense.

[@Randoverse]

I guess this passes for star trek these dxays.

[@MarcG7424]

Still not feeling sticking your fingers in slime as a way of controlling a Starship

[@DeaconBlues117]

Neither was Detmer. She kept her console the way it was originally. Other hand, Stamets far preferred that to the old method of sticking long probes up inside both of his arms.

[@rekkitc1587]

whats the ending song?

[@dagobahjones6071]

A Vulcan talking about sensitivity?

[@trevortammen2341]

So...why was vulcans name changed?

[@sahety479]

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍😊

[@thesophistcatedotaku8091]

That was a bad move on Burnam's part, this season is very good.

[@eanrollins3443]

Not really.

[@Memnon-ro4cl]

burnham is the worst character of all time. she only has like 2 expressions . The entire show is virtue signaling joke to be honest

[@guywall5690]

@@Memnon-ro4cl Burnham is obviously one of the best characters in all of Star Trek. That kind of hyperbole sounds like prejudice. Just say you don’t like female, brown, commanders that don’t take ish from anyone. If that was Kirk, kicking butt and taking names, you would call him a badass.

[@Memnon-ro4cl]

@@guywall5690 It was the most basic character i have ever seen. I love strong characters who have depth to them. No matter male female or whatever. But burnham was a two dimensional cry baby who only lived due to plot armor. The entire series was a shit show . I guess she was a perfect fit for that

[@M0butu]

Greetings. I am diverse Space Jesus.

[@guywall5690]

What a stupid comment.

[@zeezaz5051]

Saru need a desk job.

[@KBSINN]

DEGRADING YEAR BY YEAR

[@DeaconBlues117]

Yes, you probably are. I certainly am. What's that have to do with Star Trek?

[@Adam_12azUSA]

Love this scene so much SO Star Trek :)

[@myhandlehasbeenmishandled]

No it's not. This is garbage.

[@faded9581]

The way I see it, if the writers find it so burdensome to educate themselves about, respect, and build upon the established history and lore that a franchise has meticulously constructed for the fans to have strong emotional ties with the series’ content, then I find it prudent to question why they felt compelled insert their disjointed, spontaneous, incongruous new plot threads into this franchise instead of merely creating their own franchise altogether. Vulcan, Romulus, Kronos, Starfleet, all these fictional entities have had decades of slow expansion of their lore, and the two new series, Picard and DISC, took it upon themselves to deviate so sharply from what was established that they take the time to actively overwrite previous lore that doesn’t fit what they wish to accomplish in the series. Discovery, in the most appropriate metaphor for this disregard of past world-building, quite literally ran away from the problem of not wanting to work with what the series had already laid down by abruptly catapulting the ship and crew into a time where previous shows hadn’t touched upon, so they can feel free to take that plot where they wish, to hell with whatever implications they leave behind for future writers that actually do want to take the time to merge the past and present of Star Trek. To conclude, if these writers have such little faith in their ability to write and expand within the boundaries that exist in the Star Trek mythos, why should the audience at all respect or listen to what they have to write? If they can’t trust their own ability to write or understand what Star Trek is about, why should we?

[@dukekemppy5409]

Because when people see "Star Trek" there is an image in their mind that cannot be moved, despite that image being wrong.

[@southernbear736]

Thank you, you sum it up perfectly. I would go to say it could be the JJ trek's fault from 2009 onward when the Licence was still in dispute. My guess is most of the people who genuinely like this show grew up in the late 90s, too young to remember Star Trek Enterprise but then became old enough to see the 2009 movie and onward...thinking that is how it is.

[@RRTNZ]

So to sum up....Discovery sucks ass !

[@guywall5690]

That was the most entitled paragraph of hot garbage! YOU don’t get to declare that it’s your way or it’s wrong. Goodness, Star Trek has always tried to consciously break the boundaries of creative stagnation. You just want it to stay the same. That’s just dumbfounding.

[@guywall5690]

@@southernbear736 you would be loud and wrong. These latest show have stood out on their own. I’ve watched all ST shows since Pike was the Captain. Stop being a jerk!

[@roharbaconmoo]

What has happened? Why do we have all these characters who have rope in their head?

[@michaelmanus7765]

Raised on Vulcan, goes through trials and tribulations, jumps into the future. 1 year into the future she is sporting hair style from our century and a time when it was impractical. Yeah... tell us about that choice.

[@malindarayallen]

And yet we survived seven seasons of Geordie LaForge wearing a banana clip over his eyes. We'll live.

[@jmckendry84]

Hmmm, I didn't realise that hairstyles are unique to particular centuries.

[@TheDa6781]

I Respectfully Invoke gobeldyguck

[@vikinggoddess2126]

Is she supposed to be vulcan like spock? If so she's showing too much emotion.

[@Alizkinz]

She’s human but was adopted by spocks parents

[@evildrone2]

Have you even watch the show from the begining ?

[@DeaconBlues117]

@@evildrone2Clearly not, nor have quite a few other people.

[@vestel777]

Wow now I HAVE to watch this series. Michael is such a Badass!!!! I hope each season is already on Blu-ray and 4K with a Dolby ATMOS Audio Surround Sound Track.

[@Ae13UPrime]

One of the best thing about Discovery is that it dispensed with the horrid Kelvin Universe.

[@DeaconBlues117]

That is an inaccurate statement. The Kelvin timeline exists separately, alongside but differing from the Prime timeline. (They actually discuss this in one of the Kelvin movies.) The reason they stopped making the movies was out of respect for the loss of Anton Yelchin, who played Chekov. (Also the script for the fourth movie spent some time in development hell - for a time, Quentin Tarantino was convinced he was making the next one.)

[@misteryman526]

While Discovery is a very pretty show, I find many things about it very annoying. Such as the disconcerting back-and-forth camera sway and excessive cuts to different angles.

[@kurtdowney1489]

Well crap was she prepared or not?

[@DeaconBlues117]

Um, sort of. It all worked out in the end. And Saru and the Vulcan president have a kind of thing between them! :)

[@kurtdowney1489]

@@DeaconBlues117 What kind of thing? A mutual respect? Or a envious thing? Competition?

[@DeaconBlues117]

@@kurtdowney1489 Potentially romantic - there's strong mutual respect, but also attraction. Figuring that out is going to be part of S5.

[@sheev9852]

What happened to Vulcan?

[@blockwriters5728]

Spock succeeded in reuniting the Romulan and Vulcan tribes. The Romulans moved back to the planet Vulcan.

[@fastertrackcreative]

I cringed at the "special passenger" stuff. Stop treating Michael like she's the chosen one.

[@seanspartan2023]

Did you just assume their gender? You will refer to Michael as nonbinary trans-dimensional space Jesus!

[@xanderx51]

At the time she was the best card they could play. Sister of a cultural icon. Use every trick u have to get the job done, feelings aside.

[@negrodelfin]

I've been waiting for an update

[@PhilosopherGaming]

"Sister of spock" - matter how many times they try to force it, that never became believable xD

[@txmonkeyking]

So now the First officer is in charge. Lol “Star Trek”

[@Mxyzptlksac]

She was acting appropriately She would not have been able to request this again. Chill your toxicity out

[@odst1172]

@@Mxyzptlksac ehhh I mean she was acting like a loose cannon so I can see their logic. It's hardly toxicity when chain of command is an important thing in Trek

[@atticusthegamingllama8302]

This episode went from being one of Discovery's best to one of its most disappointing within the span of two minutes.

[@abovemediocrity245]

Saru is so much better than Burnam as the captain

[@VLFBERHTwolf]

Michael: "I Respectfully Invoke The T'Kal-in-ket." Me: "I Respectfully REVOKE The T'Kal-in-ket." Michael: "Why?" Me: "Because your despite."

[@henrimatisse7481]

In all the Sci Fi I;ve read in 40 yrs no where were earth women obsessed with braiding their Black hair into extremely long but teeny tiny braids! Vanity to such extreme has no place on a starship

[@DeaconBlues117]

You've not read terribly widely, I take it. I recommend starting a more diverse reading list with the works of N.K. Jemisin.

[@deano2160]

Woke space Jesus to the rescue!

[@dickhardpicard]

Sisko?

[@mikecox247]

Super Burnham to the rescue.... again 🤦‍♂️ Serious issues with writing of discovery and the lack of lore being followed. She may as well run whole alpha quadrant.

[@sandrafreeman515]

Okay, this is weird; first Spock had no sister. Second; if she is the daughter of Sarek, then where are her cute little pointy ears?

[@idiaz001]

watch the show and find out

[@m.g.9468]

You guess: Either there was some 5D genetic modification and time traveling granddaughter paradoxing with temporal-closed-loop gene circumvention evolved; or she was adopted. she was adopted ;)

[@DeaconBlues117]

If you never watched the show, why did you bother clicking on this video?

[@RRTNZ]

Remember that TOS episode where Spock had to go to Vulcan, for the pen farr, and ended up having to fight Kirk to the death ? Now that was a good episode. Here we are in the 21st century and Burnham has to go to Vulcan for a debate, in which by an amazing contrivance her mother is a warrior nun/debate team coach who helps her out by not helping her. Yup this is where Star Trek has boldly gone...right up it's own arse.

[@myhandlehasbeenmishandled]

😂

[@moogleplay9131]

Why isn't Vulcan destroyed?

[@DeaconBlues117]

Wrong timeline. You're thinking of the Kelvin universe.

[@physics2379]

Network

[@ctbt1832]

I really didn’t get this star trek

[@hogfry]

I wanted to like discovery... Burnham is basically a sociopath who somehow gets away with everything but the show was for the most part good. Then they came up with the burn. THEN they showed us what caused the burn and it kind of retroactively took all the goodwill I had for the show away.

[@Pedgo1986]

They wanted emotionally damaged Mary Sue character and this is result, not impressive. Rest is bad writing, unstable and unbelievably insubordinate officer permanently going rogue that will be probably executed for treason yet permanently forgiven because there is weird notion of bigger truth that only her can see and everything is justified in final episodes like they all know exactly what they are doing and every BS was part of plan. Georgiou - control arc feel like proper start trek rest is love boat in space with action scenes.

[@seriascannain6675]

Michael Burnham's ears are not pointed enough for a Vulcan Human Hybrid

[@biohita]

She's fully human, she was adopted by Sarek and Amanda Grayson. Her biological mother appears again later in the episode.

[@GeorgeEe]

GET OUT!!

[@seriascannain6675]

@@biohita Thanks, I was wondering about that. I saw the clip with her & Spock as children. This would appear to be a continuity error. Spock never mentioned having a human Sister

[@biohita]

@@seriascannain6675 everyone left that had contact or knew of the USS Discovery's crew was... Threatened with being court marshaled/killed since they couldn't have loose ends regarding the galaxy wide killing AI that Discovery stopped by traveling to the future. Any records of them, the ship, Control (the AI), and the Sphere were deleted. In universe Spock and his parents didn't talk about it since they were not allowed by any means, in the real world... Well it's obvious that Michael Burnham didn't exist till STD was written lol

[@daniels7907]

@@biohita - The workaround would have been that the Federation could not require Sarek (a very important Vulcan ambassador) to delete all of his *personal* records and purge their family home of all traces of Burnham. But, by the time Sarek died roughly a century later, Starfleet's own secrecy campaign would have meant that nobody would have even remembered why Discovery was such a big secret in the first place. Being that Sarek and Spock are major historical figures to Vulcans and Romulans, they very likely found out about her while cataloging Sarek's possessions after his death.

[@bakamon523]

I neee to ask.. is anyone really watching this show.. these short vid clip is both interesting and meh at the same time. How is this show still continuing and we still can not get firefly started back up again? Wtf?

[@DeaconBlues117]

You can't get Firefly restarted because too many cast members are too old (or, in one instance, too dead). Also, Fox didn't even want to run it the first time - why would they want to restart it?

[@kaidenshepard8446]

I am sorry, but i found it cringey when she said "daughter of Sarek" I havent watched any of season 3, it doesnt interest me at all, but saw this clip and well took a peek and cringed out immediately when she said that. But thats just me. I am glad they have a new interface for Stamets to pilot this ship through the network however. Hats off to those who like it

[@afnani.4626]

Feeling sorry for you

[@ashlynnp.9609]

You realize Spock had a brother that was featured in one film like thirty years after TOS, right? He was in one movie, and no one liked him, so everyone forgot about him. But you can keep blahblahblah.

[@greyd.99xsome]

@@ashlynnp.9609 Yeah, his halfbrother Sybock. I remember that from ST Final Frontier. That movie sucked. What's your point?

[@5133937]

@@ashlynnp.9609 Well everyone forgot about him because he died at the end of that movie (Star Trek V), killed by the "God" he was obsessed with finding at the edge of the universe, who turned out to not be a god after all.

[@ashlynnp.9609]

@@greyd.99xsome He found it cringe because of her being the sister of Spock without realizing that Sybok exists?

[@michaelbonner5604]

Vulcan has changed it bloody Name in this Dysfunctional Trek Oh well

[@brianbeach3024]

The Kelvin timeline established that Romulus was destroyed by a Supernova in the Prime Universe, so it's a natural progression of Spock's efforts at Reunification. In order for one subspecies to not be superior over the other and be equals (having "Vulcans" living on Planet Vulcan makes them seem like the dominant species), it makes sense that after bringing in Romulan refugees and establishing equality that they would rename to something less... biased.

[@DeaconBlues117]

@@brianbeach3024"Ni'Vahr" is Old Vulkhan for "two peoples". It's a perfectly logical name for the world, now that those who marched under the Raptor's Wing have returned home.

[@WorgenGrrl]

A daughter of Surak and sister of Spock....oh so she's a Mary Sue.

[@DeaconBlues117]

Adopted daughter of Sarek. As for "Mary Sue" go look up the definition. She definitely doesn't fit it, especially in the first season where she was basically on parole after being convicted of starting the Battle of the Binary Stars (not entirely fair, T'kuvma was looking for an excuse to fight and would have taken anything including the _Shenzhou_ just sitting there, but Starfleet needed a scapegoat and she _had_ unquestionably committed mutiny). A Mary Sue is instantly loved by everyone, and any exceptions are quickly proved to be exceptions only for their own venal reasons, but Burnham was regarded with suspicion and hatred by the crew of the _Discovery_ from the moment Lorca brought her aboard (especially by Detmer, who'd been grievously wounded during the battle).

[@kimjongwin]

Show isn’t bad, I wish they didn’t use black alert. Just sounds dumb

[@mr.mickles]

Just dropped in to see if this show was still trash. It is.

[@gavinr5576]

So bad. Big yikes. They turned Star Trek into a teen soap opera.