Electric Honda Beat Conversion - Episode 11 - Dropping the Engine

[@NewZeroland]

From all the comments, it sounds like I should make NewZeroland branded socks. Watcha think?

[@nieledwardmckeeable]

I'd buy a pair lol 😆

[@TheRealAlpha2]

I'm kinda surprised you spend some much time messing with multiple dozens of kilos stuff, in socks. I would fear just dropping a bolt on my toe without some protection. Can you get socks made out of Kevlar?

[@NewZeroland]

@@TheRealAlpha2 ehh I've had worse fall on my foot haha. I really wonder if you can get kevlar socks. Surely.

[@user1user1user1user]

Seems like your shirts are getting around, the guys from Australian electric motorcycles are wearing them while selling Energicas…

[@NewZeroland]

@@user1user1user1user whoa awesome!!

[@raymutch]

Welcome to the world of bashed knuckles and sore muscles you didnt know you had ! Glad to see the cat giving approval!

[@NewZeroland]

😂 Thanks Ray haha. I'm determined to have my cat in as many videos as possible.

[@ZeroFun]

Ooooh yeah! Watching Sam drop the beat!

[@NewZeroland]

Bout time, huh?? Why is this taking me so long?

[@ZeroFun]

@@NewZeroland Rome wasn’t burnt to the ground in a day. No rush.

[@ericdraven798]

Hey Sam, I should try that with my wife: parking the motorcycle in the living room! This is actually only possible if you are single. Thumbs up for Jen!

[@NewZeroland]

Hey if you're cold they're cold. Bring the bikes inside!

[@coryschramm6667]

How does this dude only have 11k subscribers?

[@NewZeroland]

Aw thanks :D

[@andrewmorgan1819]

It was Jens idea to put the R3 in the front room? Cooool 😎 I was genuinely excited to imagine you having a "Christmas R3", decorated with lights and baubles for Christmas 😂 You've made some serious progress there Sam. Those bolts were easy to access. I remember tightening retaining bolt in a De Havilland Victor undercarriage, yes I am that old, and I had to pull the shortened spanner a few millimetres, then flip the spanner over to pull another few mm and carry on doing this until it was tight enough to get a small torque wrench in to finish it off. I'd put my hand through a small hole and, due to my hand swelling, I couldn't pull my hand back through. I finally got it out through the enthusiastic and liberal application of Swarfega, so liberal it was running down my arm into my armpit, combined with a "freezer spray" to cool my hand and reduce the swelling. Did I mention that the Aircraft was on jacks? That I was stood atop an A-frame ladder? That my Chief decided to lower the Aircraft while the team tried to free the idiot apprentice that had managed to get stuck? Needless to say, I did not volunteer my tiny hands for any other stupid stunts 🤣

[@NewZeroland]

Holy cow hahaha. These are the crazy moments that make the best stories! Thanks for sharing that 😁 More dismantling to come soon.

[@andrewmorgan1819]

@@NewZeroland It was a tense time 🤣

[@stevesanelli90]

Sorry for the late message 🙏 That was cool taking it apart & getting the fellas to help out👌 This is going to be a fantastic project 🤟

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers man! Glad ya liked it. The next episode is taking forever to edit but should be fun too.

[@ronaldb479]

The car purred one last time for you before you took out the guts. It was so satisfying to see it come out and man I forgot that it had that many bolts and liquids and wires!!! Great stuff brother!!!

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks man!! Such an exciting time. Now the real fun can begin 😁

[@AntonyvanIersel]

I believe it, I believe. Time flies, and is filled in with watching you tube videos about electric bikes and gas conversions that is a motorbike conversion, no - its a car. No.... Its a....... Motorcar. Carbike, bikecar - I don't know, does it need a type. It's a conversion - and one less gas doing gassing. I am happy. Good video, thank you.

[@NewZeroland]

Haha thank YOU! Lots of people swap Hayabusa engines into little cars like these, so I chose a different kind of motorcycle powertrain to use :D

[@score-graffix5694]

AWESOME!!! I'm wishing/hoping for you to succeed - and I'll follow every episode on this! If you haven't found him already, possibly get in touch with Richard ("Moggy") from "Electric Classic Cars" - he just might have ideas on e-replacement auxilaries (vacuum pumps, heater units, differential gearing header/adapter, etc) - they have converted a few beetles & minis before. X-ing my fingers for your project!

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks man! Yeah I love Electric Classic Cars. They do amazing work. This project will be different. Definitely not as clean as their builds, but it'll be fun.

[@Magic_Toaster]

I think it's going to sound a lot better with the energica drivetrain in there. The whine of the reduction gear sounds wonderful to me now, pure music

[@NewZeroland]

Meeeee too!! I much prefer the sound of a jet turbine than a raspy Honda exhaust.

[@twrcrew8852]

at least once its moving. they all sound pretty lame in the first few mph

[@Magic_Toaster]

@twrcrew8852 all the more reason to get above those speeds as fast as you can 😀

[@twrcrew8852]

​@@Magic_Toaster lol true. I do like how sam is a genius in that motorcycle engines have been used in cars before, and his will be the first that can actually drive like one with REVERSE! Has anyone found any info on how dendrite build up affects long term ownership and range in the energica cells? since these bikes are used like.. well, bikes. as contrast to EV packs in 4 wheel cars where manufacturers tell you explicitly to take it easy off the line, since fast discharge and fast charge are the main source of dendrite formation in lithium packs.

[@PaulWayper]

"That was the wrong bolt". 🤣 Oh man have we all been there!

[@NewZeroland]

Haha I mean, it had to come out eventually

[@Tothefloor]

Come back to the states!!! GA and NC are nice places to be.

[@NewZeroland]

GA just banned kei cars hahaha, so I'm definitely not going there. NC is on the list though. I'd love to ride on the Tail of the Dragon!

[@MatyasLemberTutorials]

These videos are so much fun to watch! Love them :D A bit behind schedule watching them, but at least I have more hihi

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks man! I haven't made much progress so it's good that you're behind 😂

[@gloom7351]

Cat at 1:36

[@TheRealAlpha2]

At this rate it might be ready in time for SEMA! 😄You're ripping through this thing at a great speed. The removal of the engine is probably the easiest part as long as you don't need a lift. You clearly only needed a couple of friends, some Tacos, and some Band-aids. It's fabricating all the stuff that makes the motor work that might be a struggle. I also wonder if it's not going to require some sound deadening. Electric motor will be a lot quieter, but you're still inches away from it inside a metal echo chamber.

[@NewZeroland]

SEMA 2030 maybe haha. And oh yeah it'll be a challenge, for sure. I have an idea of how to mount everything, but it's a tight space in there. You're right about the noise. It might even be louder than the engine was. Not even kidding!

[@ricefield]

I've been waiting for sooo long. absolutely brilliant videos though

[@NewZeroland]

Haha cheers! It's all finally happening 😁

[@RedBatteryHead]

You can sell the remaining petrol for crazy money these days 😜 Nice safety socks 👍

[@NewZeroland]

True that! And thanks :D

[@dr3wize]

Loving the Beat videos, super interesting project!

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers man! Glad you're liking it so far.

[@sergiorelvas]

Waiting for the next episodes... Great work...

[@NewZeroland]

Cheers!

[@sergiorelvas]

@@NewZeroland in Portugal you have big big fans when you think visit us give me a warning...

[@sergiorelvas]

Is the other side of the world, it is very accurate... Lol...

[@willyd-adv]

This is why I have a 3 car garage 😂 Great video yet again.

[@DaReapa]

Exciting to see this being worked on, curious to see if it evolves as things continue. You may consider still using the Tesla charger if you want to use the exisitng and use the adapter. Theres a good chance Tesla port will become standard with more manufacturers starting to tap into the Tesla network.

[@NewZeroland]

Good point. I'm not sure if the rest of the world will adopt that too, but maybe. It would definitely make my conversion cleaner. I'm still thinking of putting the charging port behind the license plate though. That would get it closer to the station.

[@devonbrinn1299]

stoked to see more content on the Beat, as a fellow Kiwi Beat owner I'm considering doing a swap similar to this in the future, either an electric swap or a busa swap so I'm Gonna be following along religiously :)

[@NewZeroland]

Whoa nice!! Where are you at? I'm actually selling the engine to a Beat owner in Napier. When I finish this project we should meet up.

[@spike_spencer]

Ah, the joys of working on cars. I hope you can get something a little better setup, even with that lightweight car and an engine and trans I can bench press I would have wanted to take everything apart while it was on or near the gorund then raise it in the air and just let the engine stay on the ground. It's little enough weight I almost thing you could build a small lift out of ladders or hook up some hoists to the garage ceiling. Personally I went with the QuickJack to lift all of my vehicles as it's the only way to safely jack up a Porsche 911 or a Viper, and I'd imagine the Beat is similar. Was one of the best investments in an automotive tool I've ever made and they keep their value very well. Looking forward to seeing more progress now you've got it indoors! ....Side note on the stolen Zero drama, they found it a couple of weeks ago, so now I have to patiently wait to see if I can get it from the insurance auction in the coming months whenever they finally activate the auction. Trying to get used to the Energica and even DC fast charged in 20 minutes last week while getting out of the rain, which was cool but I also dropped it as I knew I would at some point though was hoping it would be after I figured out frame sliders for it. So now I have a broken turn signal and a broken fairing and it took two people to lift it back up. I knew it was going to be heavy but I truly had no idea how heavy it was going to be and how high the CG was going to be unlike every other electric motorcycle out there. If I was a lot taller maybe I would enjoy it more but honestly I want my Zero back with the much better range and easy lightweight maneuverability.

[@berttroubleyn3475]

I was one of the people commenting on your dodgy jack stands and now I'm here to tell you I was holding my breath when I saw the heavy engine being dumped on the floor right next to those socked feet. How more obvious can I make it that I'm a dad? ;)

[@NewZeroland]

😂😂😂 ahhh what are a few missing toes?

[@berttroubleyn3475]

@@NewZeroland You're right. You've ditched your last bikes with a shifter and electric bikes have regen braking, so you don't really need your toes anymore ;)

[@dmain6735]

Sweet

[@Causemoi]

I'm impatient!

[@NewZeroland]

You can play the video on 2x speed if you want haha

[@nieledwardmckeeable]

Loving this so far, where can i get a pair of safety socks from?

[@NewZeroland]

You have to special order them but they're worth every penny.

[@tipenelee]

Choooooooice bro

[@NewZeroland]

Suggest finest garage time!

[@stevenb7319]

Nice. Are you going to put the rear wheels and suspension back on so you have a rolling frame. If not I’d suggest getting a movers dolly to put the back of the car on. Some times you need to move the thing on the jacks just a few inches and can’t.

[@NewZeroland]

Oooo great idea! I'm almost done under the car so it might be a good time to put the wheels back on. Then I could roll it outside and buy more bikes lol.

[@stevenb7319]

@@NewZeroland 🤣

[@twrcrew8852]

Converting a gas car to electric (especially from the 90s) is always a lot lighter than anything a modern company could have possibly created and sold with modern safety standards. Structurally, this Kei car is made of very thin sheet metal as well, with no monolithium to support under any of it. There will be structural issues that cannot be present in a ground-up EV compliant with regulations. that's a large part of what contributes to the car weighing a whole lot less than it would have. The modified community also learns this when they take a car to triple the power and then crash it. When a company is at fault, they need to brace the braces and reinforce the reinforcements to ensure the battery has as little a chance of mating with the rest of the car in a crash and staying out of the drivers compartment while not meddling with cabin structure nor crumple zones outside of this, etc, etc, etc.

[@twrcrew8852]

perhaps not in the case of a 107kw motor, but in the extreme power (torque) examples, that extra power also gives rise to structural concerns in general operation as well. High power production can create torsion and tension far above the intended specs of a chassis and begin to bend and twist at the structure of the vehicle itself and distort it over time. At the very least it accelerates structural fatigue (though this phenomenon is unavoidable. the rate of degradation is directly correlated to the extremity of use)

[@NewZeroland]

@@twrcrew8852 I'll talk to an engineer before designing mounts for all this, for sure. I have ideas but they'll be able to tell me how possible it is. I'm not adding that much more weight to it, so the stock mounts should be able to handle it all. If I die in a firey crash, remember this comment where I said it should be fine lol.

[@moestrei]

It's the other way round: Tesla was first with DC fast charging and the what is now called NACS connector. The CCS1 and CCS2 standards came later. Interestingly CCS1 is now on its way out in the US and NACS becomes the new de facto standard.

[@NewZeroland]

That's not how I heard it, but I wonder if NACS will replace CCS2 around the world, or just stay in North America. It's a way nicer unit.

[@moestrei]

@@NewZeroland Well a new DC only bidirectional standard would be best as there is no point for the vehicle to carry AC/DC and DC/AC conversion equipment. In many countries you have 3 phase in your home and NACS does not support 3 phase. Most people don't get it that for home single phase 32A (7.8kW) is quite sufficient for home charge....plus most euro manufacturers are too arrogant to accept Tesla tech.

[@gasdive]

You're both right. The Menekes type 2 connector dates from 2009, but was AC only. So pre Tesla. The extension, CCS 2 that added DC is after Tesla. In fact Tesla used to use a variation of the Menekes plug that did both AC and DC without the two extra DC pins from CCS

[@NewZeroland]

@@gasdive true! There are still some of those Mennekes DC plugs on Superchargers here for older Teslas.

[@moestrei]

@@gasdive Yes I have such an older Tesla: When DC charging L1 and L2 gets switched parallel for DC+ and N and L3 for DC-. They did that because the CCS inlet did not fit physically at the charge port location for classic S and X. Before the CCS conversion kit there was a Chademo adapter also. My car can charge 22kW AC, 50kW Chademo and 100kWp on CCS. Has been very handy now that many fast chargers can load share with the otherwise useless Chademo cable. Fun fact: The V1 SuC were made out of 11 Tesla AC chargers operated in parallel.

[@samusaran7317]

Are you going to mount the battery pack underneath where it should be? If not... Why?

[@NewZeroland]

There is no underneath lol. I'll mount it right where the engine was, behind the cabin, but as far forward as possible.

[@samusaran7317]

@@NewZeroland Same thing with my car that was originally gas but they figured it out.

[@MrSnowMen]

Your not in England where it was the wettest July on record (using records since 1891), Thats our summer. AVATAR for the Win. Put the car fuel in the bike (Doh, it's gone) Garage fun with your Flintstone car and no limit on day/night/rain/SNOW? Enjoying that your binging us on ya ride on car conversion. Good Luck

[@antmoto6668]

'don't do anything I do' ...haha! yeah ok.

[@NewZeroland]

That goes double for wearing socks

[@RandysRides]

They sure packed a lot of stuff into a small place. Kinda sad for you, getting rid of your track bikes...... sigh. But, sometimes sacrifices pay off. This car is gonna be cool.

[@NewZeroland]

It's ok.. the rental bikes at the track are a blast. I think we'll downsize and save money for a while before deciding what bikes to buy next.

[@ZoneKei]

I am very happy to not be smelling what you're smelling. Doing fuel stuff is the second worst, after gearbox fluid stuff.

[@NewZeroland]

Oh man, yeah. I pulled the axles.out and my garage smells like grease now. And leaking coolant haha.

[@NoLimitHd92]

Its gonna be so fast with the bike engine 😅

[@NewZeroland]

I hope so!!

[@jonwebb9261]

I feel a large 3D scan coming up..........

[@NewZeroland]

You know it!!

[@jonwebb9261]

Why are only 1 in 3 engine removers wearing shoes🤣

[@NewZeroland]

Two entered through the house and one came in through the garage haha. I never expected to get so many comments about our socks.

[@captaincph3954]

Rate your safety 😅 Dropping a 100kg engine in your socks 😮 Good videos though. 👍

[@NewZeroland]

Those are steel toe reinforced kevlar safety socks!

[@moestrei]

Easy access for medics in case something goes wrong. Can you imagine the pain of getting an injured foot out of a laced up safety boot?

[@NewZeroland]

@@moestrei I can! I have. I had a 5000lb container roll over my boot and the steel toe part of it curved into my foot.

[@pinaero]

First to Drop the Beat!

[@MrSnowMen]

@pinaero I't only just dropped, Dang

[@motoriderj6448]

🙄 for cheating and also 👏 for word play.

[@gebo1808]

For the love of God PLEASE WEAR SHOES!!!

[@NewZeroland]

Why lol