Thabo Mdluli is joined by Joshua Maponga and Dr Shimmy Kotu

"You are advocating for anarchy." - Dr. Shimmy Kotu

[@boitumeloditsheho6649]

What makes Maponga know how to argue better is the fact that he has experienced both sides.

[@mmalegodijafta8703]

Dr Shimmy doesn't have reasoning capacity 😃

[@bayi_hbs7896]

Behind African thinking. It's a shame... even in 2020!!

[@thapelobaloyi3171]

Lol that's.Christianity really make people dumb,but to extend some things make sense.Its just that he is out of context mostly.

[@uMsubathi]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thekingmangumta6353]

Besides lack of reasoning capability I think he took a sip before the interview

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....................

[@evodiamafisa6796]

WARNING!! should you decide to challenge Maponga, make sure u got your facts straight

[@mongezidladla1341]

MAMPONGA is an educated man a true african man

[@chakamoseamo3107]

Maphonga is failing to understand shimmy and he wanna bring his points like a kid. This Joshua is very shallow I'm telling u. Till today he's running away from me.

[@evodiamafisa6796]

@@chakamoseamo3107 why would he run away from you? Unless like shimmy, your European master has perfected brain washing y'all and everything that is contradictory to what they taught you is considered to be shallow, by you.

[@siqalontshuntshe6227]

he aint that at all

[@evodiamafisa6796]

@@siqalontshuntshe6227 who ain't what?

[@masibulelez]

The argument about interfaith is invalid. Dr Shimmy makes a power argument

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....................

[@nitonyambose3158]

Love this pastor ...He makes sense !!!

[@keshebileonekbmorwe3163]

😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you...........................

[@chulumancontangeni6554]

Yes with people with no common sense or no brains at all

[@KingBlacks-xi2nx]

you are crazy the pastor is a fool not to remember where he comes from

[@mohalemotswalo9518]

this dr is well trained 2 defend sutupidity,how can he compare grass with home grown vegatable ?

[@skhumbuzomakhosonke4133]

Mohale Motswalo LoL

[@justicesilvershongwe3016]

Well trained to defend stupidity, well said Mohale.

[@aubreymaine1796]

Mohale...Loooooool,,,"sutupidity"

[@hendrikshaanika157]

Dr is an epitome of education without common sense.

[@taonamananga2335]

This maponga is stupid you are right. And he is raising his voice talking stupid things

[@ayandanoxolo]

Maponga said Africans are debating missionary and mercenary structures....woo I felt that

[@allan2827]

i felt it when he said Religion and Government are in a good relationship because their boss is a colonial master

[@oarabileditire786]

But It didn't help the debate, yha it had the same effect of inducing my Pan African spirit into a chant dance. But it didn't have any other effect of sway. It's like Doctor Khumalo dribbling by mounting a ball. " ka go palama ball mogodimo"

[@serogolemogole2685]

Semantic gymnastics, the statement contributed nothing to the substance of the debate

[@maqhawedlamini8679]

@@allan2827 lol government and religion are for us thus suffering the same fate

[@nhlaposbu]

Pointless bomvastics. Rhats why he says the context of Christianity as it is practiced NOOOOW. COZ HE KNOW CHRISTIANITY HAS ENCIENT HISTORY IN AFRICA. He knows that very well and uses words to dodge the bullet.

[@vuks62]

I appreciate and salute Dr Shimmy Kotu for your sound knowledge and understanding of the true gospel, your understanding of God vs other religion that compose the so called interfaith and those who played on the gallery to propel such garbage. We confuse people with all these gimmicks in churches because of the pressure to perform, and these religious titles makes us believe we know better. Reality is that most churches God is no there hence all these stunts, now the church is to blame hence these regulations but we don't do justice when we mix religion , customs and traditions to bolster why churches has to be regulated.

[@michaelmangaye7347]

no his more European than being an african

[@tjngema8410]

😂😂😂

[@LindaSomtala]

Absolutely, he's very sober minded with facts

[@samuelmnisi327]

Bishop Maponga J is enlightened and needs to share his light with Africans so tht we can feel free and not be told tht we r free by some document.

[@dr.nakazwenamwiingam-beenz3482]

We The People must learn how to protect ourselves in any courtroom. Link: theonlywayout.net Important Facts Do not become homeless, here are some Important facts for "We The People". It is time to learn from the most powerful Manual on the planet, "The Only Way Out" Link: theonlywayout.net Fact: you can win in every courtroom that you walk into and here are some important information. 1. You cannot use a Attorney, if you do you will become a ward of the Court. 2. You cannot represent yourself, if you try to do that you shall become liable to the court for taking on the duties of an officer of the Court. 3. You have to protect yourself. I want to be very clear, I did not say defend yourself, I said that you must "protect yourself." And you must learn from the most powerful Manual on the planet. This Manual shall teach you the correct way to walk into any courtroom and never lose your rights, Money, freedom or property to the de facto government. Link: theonlywayout.net A quote from The Declaration of Independence States "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principals and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." All of the information that you need to know, to protect yourself is in the Manual Link: theonlywayout.net

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.......................

[@mrboyce3065]

What I've seen on this conversation is to the other guy forgets that he is an African. We are now neglecting African practices. The only things that we follow is what is written on the paper. This was introduced by whites. Let me do an example: Some people will go to work wearing dresses, but you can't go to work worrying the Zulu traditional clothes.

[@jeannetmolopyane8986]

1

[@kagiso4277]

who said you cannot go to work wearing ibhesu? people do that on Heritage day, hence they can do so daily if they want.

[@kagiso4277]

@ShutterDe DON don't you see a problem with having a certain day(s) where you are allowed to wear your own African traditional clothes instead of the western clothing? Heritage day is more like peni peni day where kids dress up to be something they are not.

[@dr.nakazwenamwiingam-beenz3482]

We The People must learn how to protect ourselves in any courtroom. Link: theonlywayout.net Important Facts Do not become homeless, here are some Important facts for "We The People". It is time to learn from the most powerful Manual on the planet, "The Only Way Out" Link: theonlywayout.net Fact: you can win in every courtroom that you walk into and here are some important information. 1. You cannot use a Attorney, if you do you will become a ward of the Court. 2. You cannot represent yourself, if you try to do that you shall become liable to the court for taking on the duties of an officer of the Court. 3. You have to protect yourself. I want to be very clear, I did not say defend yourself, I said that you must "protect yourself." And you must learn from the most powerful Manual on the planet. This Manual shall teach you the correct way to walk into any courtroom and never lose your rights, Money, freedom or property to the de facto government. Link: theonlywayout.net A quote from The Declaration of Independence States "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principals and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." All of the information that you need to know, to protect yourself is in the Manual Link: theonlywayout.net

[@judithmuna1068]

@@kagiso4277 So very true ❤

[@thembelahlophe713]

I wouldn't debate with bishop Maponga he is too equiped intellectually

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@hosiamahlatsi3340]

😂😂😂 stop undermining yourself

[@afrokhaya5731]

We need to follow our Africans tribe to be successful, let’s stick to our culture 🇿🇼🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇼🇿🇼...

[@juniormasasu9615]

See this is reason why preach talk to much to prove the point but don’t know shit

[@gaxaza]

Speak for yourself bro

[@gontserichli7583]

True, start by throwing away that phone , you do know who invented it right

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.................

[@cozy-k7070]

Yes 🥰 African culture is wonderful

[@katlegogladwin8384]

The last segment of this discussion clearly demonstrates how comfortable Dr Shimmy is in his Eurocentric mindset. He clearly holds western ideology higher than indigenous african systems. this emphasizes the domineering effects of colonization.

[@bishopjoshuamanponga7093]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@primorantso7128]

Wowza... The foundation of Dr Shimmy's attack is the tip of Bishop Marara's defense, meaning; Bishop Marara can and does admit and acknowledge better than or equal to reasoning because he mentions before any response so that you dont miss what he is defending or attacking, whereas Dr Shimmy on the other hand, shifts the focus with a " no no no please listen" or "you are disturbing me from my point" before and after and statement or response. If this was a battle, Marara would the Zulu Kingdom under King Shaka's rule using their "Nguni Horn" strategy of attack and defense to deceive, suprise and surround the opposition and Dr Shimmy would be the British with their guns and canons and just shooting whats in front of them because they can. Indigenous vs Foreign will always be a case of whether one is foreign to whats indigenous to others meaning we are all indigenous and foreign to something in life. Like one who 'prefers' one language and refuse to even recognizing another language as language but as a 'convenience'.

[@katlegosebopela1717]

Exactly! How can a man (a very intellectual man so to say) be so comfortable with the dispossession of his ancestry, spirituality and identity.

[@Tbangled]

Shimmy kotu's argument is on freedom on our Constitution. But a so called spirituallist Maponga wants to be regulated by a tarnished State.

[@zenzifortune1234]

Joshua maponga is also not an a typical african representative

[@musondaclement30]

Maponga J my favorite...God bless you for your help.

[@TheDialogue23]

Im growing to love these gentlemen.. Mamponga my hero

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@lungasiyoko3095]

I respect your comment ✊

[@mohalemotswalo9518]

lm dissapointed the dr,how can he compare grass & home grown vegetables?

[@TheAfroGoddess]

He is very shallow. Lacks mental depth

[@sikitiministries1351]

I am also left behind by such comprison from so called a Dr

[@nabungela]

Saying our gardens must be regulated LOL. Any enterprise providing product/service is regulated by why should the church be excempt?

[@sanelelowe3822]

I agree. He made a blunder just there. In fact, in everything else, he made sense and had more points that Maponga.

[@xolanintuli9604]

Dr. Shimmy' comments are empty that makes me question his title

[@manthodiramokgatla9939]

Maponga is a very intelligent and put facts across while the plaster is just emotional.

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@nhlaposbu]

Lol Maphonga is very manipulative. He knows ancient Africa has early Christian origins outside of Europe

[@andilembolekwa3992]

,

[@tahyutirnyuy6674]

Joshua Maponga your are truly African love you. You need to re-educate our People.

[@skhumbuzodeepmwandla5922]

T E we really need him

[@bayi_hbs7896]

Maybe you need him with your captured dependent minds. Please leave some of us out... somblief.

[@gaxaza]

This Maponga guy is a devil's advocate. He failed as a Bishop and now he wants to deceive people by preaching his spirituality nonsense. The is only one God who created the universe 🌌 and everything in it

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you...................

[@chris243]

@@gaxaza Maybe you can try to respond more respectfully, no one is fighting you.

[@noxolo2616]

Maybe it's me...but Shimmy doesn't make sense. He looks drunk.

[@Milanova460]

.. He is little bit stupidified... Ahahahha

[@serogolemogole2685]

pray tell, how exactly is he not making sense?

[@sharingfamspace3156]

Those with ears will listen maponga👌🏽so much respect

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@cribby_sa]

i wonder why they keep on making him talk with ppl with believes because a believe is the absence of knowing , and it is ok not to acknowledge Ancestors BUT it only means you don't know self , i don't know why ppl don't get the this South African law is made to fuck everyone up , it goes back to protect ppl who took the land and still have power over everything, imagine criminals taking ur shit and putting laws in place so u don't take ur land back. kore im just thinking ppl are so educated with education can is not indigenous to Africa and they are so proud, they have masters and honors yet no power and all this religion is blinding them from the truth, i have lost faith in ppl in the south long time ago its like they dont see what is going on here ai shame ke sono.

[@alexiomuzinde1688]

Above all, I like Maponga's ENGLISH

[@ogsfootballnewsandallelse8138]

Shimmy is too shallow. His demonstrations are out of context and very defendent of eurocentrism

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@ferdykeyz4583]

Nah maponga is confused Shimmy made valid points.

[@sigmalonewolf8808]

@@ferdykeyz4583 are you from africa ferdy?

[@ferdykeyz4583]

@@sigmalonewolf8808 yes

[@sigmalonewolf8808]

@@ferdykeyz4583 i doubt

[@siphiwemokone7706]

Its sad to see someone who advocates for christanity(Shimmy Kuto) unable to shake Joshua Mapongas hand after the debate it showa arrogance and satanic behaviour.

[@keshebileonekbmorwe3163]

Thankyou!! Its pride

[@thandikamase5484]

Arrogance and stupidity

[@vuyanividongabisa9726]

Bad representation of Christianity

[@orapelengmathebula1406]

Let the man be, it is his life and he has a choice. How is Christianity attached to this? If I say "You are sounding arrogant" does that show satanic behavior?🤦🏾‍♂️🥱

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you...................

[@mkhulumandlezulungobese2715]

Empty Dr his just Empty we need intelligence DR spiritual.

[@opium42069]

I am a Doctor also and i don't agree with shimmy. Tomatoes and grass cannot be equated,he's an embarrassment to what he is

[@bayi_hbs7896]

@@opium42069 Ah ah ah. Here's another liar! Claiming he is a Dr. If you have proof , you bought it.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you....................

[@mandisamlambo5664]

Mr Maponga's factual capacity is unmatched, we need more leaders like him in our lifetime. ✊🏽🖤

[@tokollosimeone5210]

Big Facts!!!

[@thapelolekene8831]

Joshua is a beast, Morena Maponga knows his story and he unpacks the facts, supplements and defend them with founding principles. Maponga is our future.

[@matthewslekgeu1787]

That's where many have missed it. Fact is not truth.

[@tokollosimeone5210]

@@matthewslekgeu1787 fact is not truth? What? 😯

[@tokelolove7234]

@@tokollosimeone5210 Yes Scientific facts say the life on earth came from Evolution and the earth formed as a result of the Big Bang theory. If you believe in the God of creation, then that would be deemed as completely false. So therefore Fact doesn't equal truth in that sense.

[@yonwabapangeni3761]

This conversation is weird. Two extremists arguing extremes of ideologies can never go well. Emotions need to be placed aside for solutions-driven debates... if that was the intention of the conversation.

[@khwezi_bass]

Correct!

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you......................

[@serogolemogole2685]

Yea I hear where you're coming from my sister, but the reality of matter is that both these men, being staunch fundamentalists of their ideologies as they are, speak from 2 diametrically opposed positions on matters they feel realy strongly about, so we can't expect them to reach a middle ground of understanding that would allow them to find each other given that they're basically here to defend their faith systems, and by extension themselves and their followers. furthermore, discussion involving such emotive issues as those being discussed here invariably draws out a lot of heated emotions, it's only natural

[@jumanji7629]

That's why it's a discussion I can sense a religious yu

[@saimaiita2019]

I salute Maponga J, he is a son of African kings,he know his home,he don't wanna loose his identity, e must follow

[@sanelelowe3822]

Let's be relevant. He lost the debate.

[@bayi_hbs7896]

@@sanelelowe3822 True.

[@vusumzikondlo6869]

@@sanelelowe3822 true

[@ntokozomofokeng1355]

Maponga lost it here.

[@watulukamedia6724]

@@sanelelowe3822 How?

[@kabeloditshego1007]

Definition of bizarre is this Dr Shimmy Kotu.

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@YoungLionsKingdomCamp]

There is different between being intellectual & being wise , something that many fail to differentiate

[@mphakamsenizungu6343]

That was a heavy comebacks when Maponga defined freedom 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@fikilezikhali2222]

You two are fun to watch.Two strong African minds.African Intellectuals.

[@TheAfroGoddess]

This Dr. Shimmy believes he is making sense when he speaks - the way he smiles after making an empty statement says it all 🤷🏾‍♀️ #ignoranceIsBliss

[@sanelelowe3822]

He who angers you, controls you,and he who controls you is much stronger than you. Listen to the debate again. Check who has,substance, dominance, and more relevant. You will understand why Maponga got emotional. He is smart enough to realize it when he is losing in public. The Dr on the other hand was calm because he could also see that he was winning and in control .

[@bonoloratshivhadela2720]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Wisdom is not for everyone

[@nhlanhlamabaso5087]

@@sanelelowe3822 Lol, don't say he won the debate. Just say you agree with him. He is a neo-liberal who thinks the constitution cannot be questioned and he really sounds stupid by trying to accomodate white anarchy.

[@seektruth5750]

sanele lowe absolutely not

[@maphidzhethejesusnationpro5855]

We know how Maponga wins battles he is a great thinker guys... But on Kotu he has lost not once but twice that's why you hear him always saying I wanna challenge Kotu on this one... Take note Dr Kotu has remained in defense for Christians not to be closed and religious practices AND LOST NONE in Parliament... Including winning the moving Lockdown level 3 of churches. He is just too difficult to beat😷😷😷

[@zothilezwane7723]

Wow! The topic was well unpacked, Bishop Maponga has deep truthful facts! Africans must really wake up cos you can't get such knowledge while you're asleep...

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....................

[@alephtomega6348]

It looks well when he speaks he is against the church and he is against the CREATER of all who we look up on, it's shame for someone who is blind to see what is going on in spiritual realm, Dr is not here to colonize us back heis here in truth, and the truth shall set you free brother one thing to do to you while I'm alive in this world is to tell u JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH whether you believe it or not you will see when you live your body or flesh

[@andilekhumalo7658]

​​@@alephtomega6348 You haven't find the truth yet and you ain't free. Watch videos where Mr Mampong talk about the creator that's where the truth begin.

[@limpopomusictv8432]

Is he really a Dr? This should be investigated

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@saramoyo4807]

Much respect to Mr Maponga! Really knowledgeable

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@doctormahlangu2117]

Dr Shimmy 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@01bebes]

Nah fam

[@siphetebeka]

Maponga: 33yrs I've Been Doing This. Pastor : I've have 40yrs But You Can Continue. . 🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️

[@usabelo294]

What's the point?

[@abeautifulheart]

He sounded immature

[@usabelo294]

@@abeautifulheart yeah for someone who has been doing it for 4 decades, he really sounded like a child.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@thagreatfx7570]

40 years with empty head 😅😂😅

[@lavotosibongiseni2985]

Next time give em equal time, there's a lot we missed from J Maponga, he knows his story...by the way J Maponga 6 - 0 Dr shimmy

[@xolanihadebe547]

I think Shimmy won

[@bayi_hbs7896]

Ah ah ah maponga kept on interjecting when the honourable Dr was trying to put his points through. He was losing the debate so he used his not so clever antics. Maponga had enough time to say absolutely nothing.

[@sphumelelesijadu]

Lol I agree that Maponga needed more time but your score is off bro.

[@vusumzikondlo6869]

Maponga lost. As much I'm not in the same Spiritual/religious belief as the Dr. But he has valid points which Maponga failed to counter 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ntokozomofokeng1355]

Maponga lost it. He had no clear facts. The African spirituality thing that he is advancing it's not consistent. In one of his debates he mentioned the garden of Eden which is found in the Bible he is against.

[@1murkeybadmayn]

"Missionaries vs Mercenaries"...I'm done.

[@nondumisomlonyeni6091]

Dankie ngiyabonga

[@tselengbotlhole750]

That had me rolling on the floor 😂😂😂

[@thetrendingworld6286]

Dr Shimmy has to do the least "Decolonize your mind".... otherwise big up to my Hero J.

[@dr.nakazwenamwiingam-beenz3482]

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[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....................

[@virtualportluxurypropertie8387]

Dr skimming talks like a drunk pastor 😂 😂

[@samkelomngadi9515]

He's drinking from the cup who knows 🤣🤣

[@unovidi]

@@samkelomngadi9515🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@oleshan7302]

He's talking with emotions.

[@sanelelowe3822]

What were you listening to? The debate was not about what you favor more than the other. It's about who is more on point and has more points. The Dr made more sense and won the argument. Maponga lost the round.

[@vusumzikondlo6869]

@@sanelelowe3822 true mate. I believe in African Spirituality but the Dr. brought logic into both parties... Christians and African Spirituality. We can't find fault at something yet we are doing it

[@allan2827]

38:23 lol Maponga immediately switches to his language,

[@michamash]

He is Zimbabwean. Karanga Language that is.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.......................

[@khanyomnyango9492]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Mamponga is a bucket of confusion. You have to be highly intelligent to get that. Watch the whole interview and see if he doesn't contradict himself. He sat there at the onset advocating for regulation (dictatorship by the state) of religion. His argument was that African Religion practitioners are being regulated. Alright then. Now when it suits him, he says the constitution( which enshrines the law and regulates which human behavior is acceptable or not) is a bully and he will not accept it. He says we must repell and protest against enforcement of such dictatorship. But then why is he sitting there telling the church to accept being dictated to. Madness! Adventist did well to do away with him. He learned so much that his capacity is overwhelmed with a convulsion of confusion

[@mojalefasefali5934]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂"You are drinking.....the blood of Jesus"

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....................

[@godsvisitation]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@glomukbusiness]

I have always admired bishop maponga arguments and I believe we need such a ministry in African church. On this one to be fair he got an equal match.

[@Futur3musi3kproducer]

Shout to Tshepo from Cape Town. That call should've concluded this debate

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..................

[@njabulomasina4180]

I like Kotu's point on interfaith

[@njabulomasina4180]

@Luvo Ntamehlo True brother. There is a myriad of reasons why God called Abraham out of the world and established the house of Israel. One of them being the restoration of humanity's proper communion/worship with him. God is very particular on how he wants to be worshiped and how humanity is supposed to conduct themselves as it pertains to him. Interfaith or Ecuminism is at variance with this concept.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you......................

[@tendanipelaelo6293]

@@bishopmaphongajoshua9975 Crook of note. Nigerian number and you call yourself Maponga? Maponga would never do that

[@sydneynaninyambi1127]

We ended up missing the point of argument because of the Dr constantly interjecting Bishop Maponga, this was not about Grandstanding but to discuss the regulation of Religion. This is meant to control the number of bogus churches, there is no control over churches where I can just buy a tent and chairs and start my own I won't have to register anywhere which is a problem at hand. The history of Christianity has always worked against us as the missionaries used it to colonize us, archbishop Desmond tutu said " when the missionaries came we had the land and the they had the bible, they told us to close our eyes and pray which when we opened they had the land and we had the bible" we can defend it as much as we like but it was and still is used as a tool to control us. We excuse the Dr we understand his type who thinks our African customs are demonic.

[@dudunkosi2451]

Well said sir.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you...................

[@xolanihadebe547]

Shimmy Kotu just schooled Joshua Maponga

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@mbulwa42556]

Mr Maponga's wisdom is out of this world. He understands his subject.

[@zenzifortune1234]

he's very manipulative and stubborn

[@TheCSIguy]

He's the goat, and he studied theology posed by Westerns and still rose above that and found his truth and that is awesome.

[@candy4087]

​@@zenzifortune1234nah you described the other guy

[@victorthabisotsasanyane9944]

Wise in English 😅 and wrong things.

[@kizalin]

​@@zenzifortune1234🤣if you hate him just say that

[@jonathankekana4956]

Josh and Kotu made my day. We need more conversations like these

[@bishopjoshuamanponga7093]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you......................

[@siviweslara1023]

We may want to lean towards Bishop Joshua's arguments here because we are African and he seems to promote africanicity (whatever that is these days), but there is truth in what Dr Shimmy Koti is saying lots of truth.

[@ndumisomajola8043]

I always learn something new when listening to Maponga, his intellectuality is on another level.

[@thandomvimbi1558]

@@ladypatraomuhito7899 you lying wena, you not Bishop Joshua Maponga, the man doesn't do these lying miracle workers

[@NisherPuFx]

@@thandomvimbi1558 re-read his comment and you will see that the guy didn't said anything about miracle. You are speaking your own mind and thats foolish

[@thomasmaropola9201]

Maponga just butchered Shimmy🤦🏽‍♂️ Shimmy is so emotional yerr

[@SenhorMsandiFelipe]

Maponga trying to free us from colonialist religions, Pro lumumba saving us from colonialists economic trap. We are so lost majority of blacks with discard their efforts because we're a mango in a mango tree calling ourselves oranges

[@tshioma]

Everytime I come back to this video Dr Shimmy Kotu's argument keeps getting better

[@tjngema8410]

😂

[@josephgumede951]

I like baba Mapongas he's the man I believe on him

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@alephtomega6348]

How about I tell you he is there to deceive people and especially you

[@ferdykeyz4583]

🤣🤣🤣

[@israelmkhabela]

@@alephtomega6348 YOU SOUND LIKE A EUOROPEIN

[@israelmkhabela]

@@ferdykeyz4583 I DONT THINK THAT YOU ARE AN AFRICAN

[@tsekemahlatji5765]

Dr Shimmy all day everyday. Great watching these two tackle each other's view.

[@kamoheloleemisa1596]

AHH THIS "DR" I WONDER WHAT IS HE DRINKING IN THAT CUP BUT I DON'T BLAME HIM ITS FESTIVE

[@Nattytina1]

and why is drink hidden

[@makhosinidube7950]

Kkkkk

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@phuloy3353]

Two good advocates of opinion🇿🇦. I have enjoyed the debate on the extremes of religion with its sacred practices verses the state. I am grateful for the fruitful deliberations by Dr Kotu for his articulations on Christianity and also appreciate the insight shared by Mr Maponga--these two guys deserve a 3hr talk.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..................................

[@nothandomthimkhulu2321]

I love how Mr Maponga looks at the doctor blankly it's as if he is in disbelief of his ignorance

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@tendanipelaelo6293]

@@ladypatraomuhito7899 Nonsense from Nigeria. Biggest crook of the century

[@stevenkhoza7350]

Grass are characterized ,some are eatably they taste slightly sweetie and softly to be consumed... i was once a Shepard i use to eat it much but not all grass...that was not done through Christian belief.

[@aviwesingama3106]

The first time I see J Maponga's argument challenged some what adequately. Both man say a lot of truth. Love Mr Maponga.

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@russelshambaba4433]

True, I feel the debate of the other guy

[@creativity33]

DR in what ?????

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.................

[@melusimagutshwa1026]

J Maponga is in his own League. This Dr what what is just making a lot of noise with no substance all. He's just empty.

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@russelmtlokwa6058]

Mr Maponga is all over the place.

[@dicspanner8738]

thabo. i like your questioning. Tomatoes in your backyard is an off topic Doc.

[@bantuspiritual4191]

Head knowledge (Dr) vs spirituality (ntate Maponga) !

[@bishopjoshuamanponga7093]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@salummkenga2721]

Debate is so touching and educative..concepts of Eurocentric, missionaries and mercenaries blow my mind...we Africans need to dig deep on colonial project for us to understand their motives before criticise our African indigenous knowledge.. big up to Pastor Maponga..👍

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....................

[@patmckenzie1220]

Joshua Maponga miracles are biblical. God is a Miracle worker, a Healer and He is the Provider. Stop misleading people.

[@bayi_hbs7896]

Facts. Maponga has all these people eating from his hand... and all in the name of being afrocentric.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you....................

[@ZoeOnLife]

All I am thinking is, "Joshua FINISH HIM! SHORYUKEN!"

[@stephenhlongwane2835]

Finish him Joshua Maponga

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.......................

[@mercysengu7797]

Dr Maponga and Ubaba Malema .....same whatsapp group i love these guys

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.................

[@sekurumkwapura9350]

I stand with Africa

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@SongezoMcapukisi]

Dr. Shimmy Kuti is intellectually correct to contextualize the need to balance all religions. You can't have a situation where church or christianity is singled out with a different scale. The others are not questioned.

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.........,...........

[@kwadwoboakye8990]

What is religion? Where from religion? Lemme tell u bro, the church is religion and religion is From the church

[@serogolemogole2685]

Exactly, the double standards are glaring

[@tendanipelaelo6293]

@@ladypatraomuhito7899 Crook from Nigeria 🇳🇬 stop this nonsense

[@mikeigori2983]

Others are offshoots from pagan christianity.No different.

[@tobimartins9734]

Maponga is d JOHN THE BAPTIST OF OUR GENERATION ❤

[@elmonyopi1577]

When good Dr started talkin about backyard gardens and tomatoes - he lost me... 😂

[@obakengmolatedi1663]

same here.. lmao!

[@silashabumugisha8723]

The Doctor has to learn about African history.I don't know if he is normally a Doctor,in which subject?

[@nemesis7288]

"The church and state are in a good relationship, Because their boss is the same. It's a colonial Master" Gaaaaadamn!!!

[@matsheloradimo8165]

Come on Doc, its just a handshake

[@judithmuna1068]

True that!😂😂😂😂

[@masegobokala8556]

So true

[@nyikomusisinyani9442]

So your statement is biased cause most western countries are against the church. Did you watch the Olympics? Most sponsors for new world order are western countries. The fact of the matter we have been a lawless country in many aspect. We need to start there.

[@siphelelemngadi723]

I feel like the Dr was given more time to actually say nothing...

[@taonamananga2335]

Maponga is stupid he is showing his stupidity

[@marefshale6092]

@@taonamananga2335 elaborate

[@gugulethumpungose468]

@@taonamananga2335 🙄🙄

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you....................

[@Sammieyza]

@@taonamananga2335 and you sound stupidly smart right now

[@manuelmnguni1969]

Maponga is warrior. Very intelligent and fearless.

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you...................

[@makhabanemolapo56]

Mponga J, you have made more sense than dr Shimmy, Doctor shimmy you still have a long way to go, you need to be re educated

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you....................

[@ivocossa4381]

Traditional madison's are approved by ancestral spirits

[@vusumzikondlo6869]

Pastors do theology and obtain a certificate

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.........................

[@HaPhororoYouthRetreatCentre]

Mr Maponga is a Genius ❤ his wisdom is extraordinary!!!

[@tshedzanel8507]

Dr Shimmy🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@bishopjoshuamanponga7093]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........................

[@nimrom6041]

This Dr don't respect Africans.

[@yabomjiqiza5081]

It's self hate.

[@michamash]

Remember this Pastors are making money from their Churches. It's their livelihood.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@sandilezulu324]

The way Maphonga is looking at this Dr 🤣🤣

[@waronakenosi2865]

😂😂😂

[@thandi_millie4144]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@tumeloawee6744]

To me Dr Shimmy Kotu did well...i have problem with people who have turned bitter against what the first believed in...

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........................

[@siyabulelaklaasen2136]

I always agreeing with Ntate Maponga and I agree with some things he said but in this discussion I’m very sensitive and I understand where’s Dr Shimmy coming from. The fundamental issue in the discussion is that our Government is not empowered to peruse whether the practices that the church is doing is right or wrong that’s where the problem is, in fact the State support and respect the RIGHT & PRIVACY of any religion practices informed by its theology/philosophy. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you....................

[@siyabulelaklaasen2136]

@@bishopjoshuamaponga6894 LOOK HERE BUSTED‼️ I know you’re not Bishop Joshua Maponga I know that leader is theologically sober for you to go around asking people money on his name I think it’s madness and you’re crazy for wasting your time writing rubbish here. Go and get a life you stupid!!!

[@prudencelesibe9072]

The look that Maponga give to Dr.... Maponga : You are lost my african brother.

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you...................

[@giftn9531]

“Noo listen to me” said a man who is unable to justify his unfounded truths.

[@ndamuleloisrael1055]

Shimmy sounds like a lawyer 😂😂😹😹🤣🤣 Joshua must sit down

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@vusikoosskhosana6607]

dr Kuti wont resolve or teach,,Maphonga big ups.Respect

[@siphiwe3229]

Dr. Shimmy Kotu is proof that even an intellect at the highest level can remain an idiot. He is completely ignorant of that which he does not believe in. Everything he knows about traditional healers is probably something he read in a European book. And who told him that traditional healers don't believe in the same God (Umveliqangi) and Jesus Christ (Yeshua)? FYI just like bishops pastors etc. there are good and bad people amongst traditional healers therefore you can't put all of them in the same box. Please do not even start the conversation about technological benefits that came with the Europeans because for hundreds of years we were held back from our potential while they got to were they are and built great nations through the benefits of free labour (slavery).

[@carolmk3114]

My fellow Christian get ready. Be sure that you stand on a sure foundation, not the eloquent words of men. Be vigilant. Be alert. Most of all be prayerful. The wisdom of this world and the justice of this world will not always align with our faith then we will have to stand but not only stand, but stand of a sure foundation the Word of God.

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@bishopmaphongajoshua9975]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you......................

[@umuntunimwelwa9083]

The way Maponga was looking at him when he is talking worries one, I think he threw a lot of invisible punches

[@ladypatraomuhito7899]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....................

[@newmanchibango6564]

@@ladypatraomuhito7899 you once came to me with the same statement. Which governance are you adhering to?

[@Tbangled]

Shimmy kotu. So much intelligence. They hear him but they can't comprehend his level of argument. What people are saying about Maponga is nothing but "buying face"

[@godfreymckay]

Joshua your conclusion is contradictory; Government must license spiritual practitioners for accreditation but Government constitution is a Roman descending practice opposed to indigenous and foreign beliefs and practices?

[@leroybrazil1497]

Where does this Kotu come from coz he doesn't know what his talking abt

[@ferdykeyz4583]

Maponga is perpetuating the colonial concepts while claiming to be authentic in the end contradicting himself.

[@lwandilekhwezi8778]

This priest really thinks his ways are better than other people's

[@bishopjoshuamaponga6894]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.........................

[@cuthymaswera51]

Thank you Sir Maponga for taking that Dr Pastor to school is drunk too

[@bishopjoshuamanponga7093]

Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God minister to me a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding on to them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay be in your life, with an evil mirror, and a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford to these motherless foundation (Sunday MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact where ever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Deliver them to the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on [phone]) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........

[@Mmathapelo8910]

Dr Shimmy came here very prepared, made valid points

[@Sammieyza]

Dr what what is stupid hle🥲 man said cameras are not indeginous to Africans but forgets that this change was not inevitable but forced into us 😭