NFTs, Hedge Funds And Shareholders | Money And Magic: The Gathering | Dies To Removal 41

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[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

Did you miss out previous episode about how Universes Beyond Will Continue Until Morale Improves? Check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3iTdKiYhcimm7c

[@shaneculbertson4055]

Please add Avwcyn Angel of Hope to mtg arena... Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please!!!!!!;;;;;

[@Ixidora]

4:05 So I guess I'm one of two?(exception for the absolute MadLads that hilariously went so far as to donate for no more reason to be awesome) I even went digging in the comments and can't find a badge next to anyone... I find that strange, is it that everyone just goes to Patreon? I'm genuinely curious Professor, am I one of only 2 KZbin Students?

[@havic1306]

Is there a chance you’re a GME ape? If not I would love to also talk about this.

[@jaxonos1494]

Hey Prof. I don't know if you will see this, but I am an Australian viewer interested in the Academic deck box and was wondering if there is anyway to estimate my shipping? As I see no way to do such on any products on the gamegenic website to the effect of give me an indication of what shipping might be on a product similar to the Academic. It is this uncertainty of possible having to pay hundreds of dollars on shipping that has kept me from pledging. Hope you or any Tolarian Scholars reading this have a great day.

[@Fufu0117]

How do I give you money brian?

[@Spice8Rack]

Vince's accent work is a force to be reckoned with.

[@crazygermn]

There is no Vince anymore, only Vinnie.

[@wombleking]

They said "Spice8Rack" three times, and lo, he appears.

[@JO11190]

I want to see you guys having a capitalist debate about Magic. PLEASE.

[@origaminosferatu3357]

@@JO11190 Spice would just spend the whole time talking about Goblins tho. :P (And I would totally watch that.)

[@oom-3262]

@@wombleking He has been summoned

[@tessajanes9626]

Prof: "I don't think capitalism is bad" Spice8Rack on the other side of the ocean: "oh no, my spicy senses are tingling"

[@joystickgenie]

“we’re not making a capitalism is bad episode” Well obviously, because spice8rack isn’t there.

[@PGHproductions]

Well, Prof predicted the content of the Arena economy stream perfectly. Not that it was much a surprise though!

[@vivecanada1]

Content is a strong word to describe what was in that stream.

[@joecooper8527]

@@vivecanada1 Using the wrong definition of "content".

[@kerolokerokerolo]

@@Duelin. I felt insulted and disrespected. And reassured of my decision of leaving arena :)

[@mattpfeil]

It wasn't hard to predict they were going to do nothing :)

[@liamfoote7164]

It's funny my first thought was they would barely change anything or nothing at all. But then I thought nah that's too cynical they'll probably make maybe 1-2 well received changes that improve things but overall it will still be bad. Should have gone with my first prediction I guess.

[@rileymcphee9429]

It's funny, I can't really find a channel of this quality in other hobbies. One that consistently offers multifaceted analyses while properly discerning between fact and opinion; objective and subjective. I really hope MTG gets their shit together because currently, they do not deserve this guy.

[@dustyfox6511]

Not going to lie, was sort of hoping Vince would do a full scar-face line of "not a drug" Halo powder before gunning down the other people at the table with some combo...

[@mathewevans9706]

just faceplanting a deck full of MH2 fetchies and then Staxxing the table

[@MichaelWBrennan]

Prof: “capitalism isn’t bad” Me: *breathes heavily in Spice 8 Rack*

[@draftmagicagain1000]

Magic wouldn't exist were it not for business profit?

[@SirProdigle]

@@draftmagicagain1000 Business profit can exist without capitalism, it would just be split between workers. the original corp that hired Garfield was small at the time, so still potentially

[@Wiitigo_X]

These skits are amazing I love you guys so much

[@violetlazuli3998]

An episode with Professor Spice8rack would be amazing. The Arena stream has solidified my decision to avoid it entirely. I know it was more the community hyping up the stream than wizards was, but it definitely feels like it made things worse and killed a lot of people's trust. With walking dead I wish they'd finally tell us when the mtg versions are coming since they finally confirmed they will actually do them. So many problems with that lair, and coming just months after they acknowledged the buy a box problem and swapping those back to alt art.

[@niedude]

Spice8Rack has already appeared on this channel with the professor!!

[@AgonalRhythm]

I demand more Spice!

[@dyne313]

Spice8rack is a million times better than this bullcrap "Professor", because he does not support the exploitation of capitalism.

[@niedude]

@@dyne313 I'm a leftist too my friend and I really don't think the professor is exploiting capitalism so much as he is from an older generation that can't imagine an existence outside of it.

[@DorkmasterFlek]

To answer Prof's last question, I think unquestionable to continue to push towards Alchemy. Vince is right, the most recent set championship was Historic and Alchemy specifically. And it was recently pointed out to me that the latest update to the intro decks you get for free as part of the "New Player Experience" include Alchemy cards. So the decks you get when you start the game as a new player aren't even Standard legal. They're clearly trying to funnel people into Alchemy to save face.

[@MarkAvo]

Not just save face, bleed what’s left of the hardcore players on Arena while taking advantage of newbs that won’t know the difference.

[@BinaryHedgehog1]

That explains why I couldn't play Pacificism anymore.

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

I am certain that alchemy will be a problem once they start revising cards though and people are confused as to why the effects of their cards suddenly changed.

[@Frostgiantbutsmall]

I don't see the problem here, if you don't want to play hearthstone just don't play! 😔

[@captainfooey1857]

This intro skit, more than makes up for last episode's lack of one. 🥰👏👏👏🥰

[@MarkFillmore]

Great discussion. The intro was hilarious, Prof's timing is spot on. I can't get enough - keep it up! Please bring back Murray!

[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

More to come!

[@tymandude1510]

I'm waiting for 5 years from now when Prof's skits are so elaborate they will be feature films.

[@destinyascension2864]

Really happy for Brian's kickstarter being such a huge success!

[@KellyUnekis]

Corporations' fascination with the concept of infinite growth is infuriating.

[@maxkordon]

Yo the line do go up tho

[@kailin9257]

It's just all about more more and more. Corporations are just the manifestation of a collective conscience addled with vice and avarice. It operates on the primal instinct to have *it* whatever *it* is and as soon as possible, even to the detriment of the long-term.

[@princeLaharl2]

To be fair, it's not the corporations fault. Liberal Caputalism is what enables this ludicrous idea of infinite growth. I'm not saying that capitalism is bad or evil, but it definitely could use some late-stage tweaking.

[@0darkhero0]

That's their purpose lol. Yo gotta invest them gains to gain more, ad infinitum.

[@lucasbuitrago8150]

It's not only corporations. It's our whole culture 🤑

[@tappytoeclaws2233]

Okay but let's get Vince to Chicago 🤣

[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

Tappy!

[@naejin]

Brian was correct to be skeptical of hedge fund execs. Sounds like they are looking to engineer their next GameStop moment.

[@kirinblight]

I come for the " you have a KZbin channel" meme and stay for the stellar content! Keep up the good work prof!

[@williamstewart1883]

The "If Orson Wells came back as a starcraft player" line killed me.

[@MTGUnpacked]

The discussion was awesome as usual, but that opening skit was pure gold🤣

[@JStack]

“Well if orson wells got reincarnated as a StarCraft player” god that’s a niche joke but I loved it so much my bang shot out my nose lol

[@prestonmitchell9135]

The drinking bang part fits this well too lol

[@theelectricant98]

I appreciate your integrity and consistency in your coverage of this side of Magic/Wizards. Also shout-out to Dan Olson!

[@PleasantKenobi]

"You don't have a daughter" he said. Well, I proved him wrong.

[@myc24]

I loved the Vinny Jabroni bit, tbh, I want to play a Commander game with Vince doing the voice/character the whole time.

[@notme222]

The crucial (but unstated) element of this is that they can only sell stuff people are buying. I stopped playing Arena when Alchemy came out. If that's their direction it's not worth my money (or time). And I haven't bought any Secret Lairs. But if I'm outvoted by people who want to pay it, then so be it. They're welcome to sell to people who want it. And apparently lots of them exist.

[@RaccoonKingV]

Historically, Vinnie Gibrone is nothing more than a glorified crew

[@rxy228]

most of those business decisions arent even good for their business. WotC seems to constantly burn their long term credibility for short term gain (especially with regards to MTGA).

[@SgtbanetheSilent]

Sadly such a thing has become popular among businesses now days

[@gdmikester4302]

Which ones

[@NecromancyForKids]

They were told to double* their profits, so of course they're scrambling to sell their own pants.

[@TheCatHerder]

Can't disagree, the proliferation of Secret Lairs just had me throwing up my hands and making my own proxies. If I couldn't tell what someone was playing anymore anyway what does it matter if I pick the cool art work on my card or Wizards did?

[@tenaciousgamer6892]

short term is all the financial sector cares about. If driving a company to the ground earns more money then long term growth these people would do it without a secound thought.

[@jeffstanislawski8899]

"You guys get paid?" Awesome job with this one, guys.

[@blakec1924]

I always think I need those chairs after seeing how comfortable you always seem to be in them.

[@KadarianLord]

the real thing they could do to make magic better is focus on longterm growth vs. sudden growth 5, 10 yr goals. reinvesting in the firm and game.

[@EmpireRamzes]

as a super casual magic player last played in 2006, then 2012, the secret lair sets have actually got me back into magic. I love different worlds colliding and artwork of the latest set Neon Kamigawa is amazing.

[@naejin]

QUESTION: does Vince fly back and forth to USA and UK a lot. Or does he crash with Brian for weeks at time or something?

[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

Both?

[@pr0fess0rbadass]

He planeswalks back and forth

[@flametitan100]

@@pr0fess0rbadass Stealing eggs from Ixalan

[@warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165]

Vince lives in the UK, so I just naturally assume that he owns a TARDIS.

[@MatejMoravek]

@@warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165 No need to own one, those are there on the streets for public use...

[@SashaClaudeee]

Professor! You (and most of the people who will see this) are not a capitalist and that is a high compliment! You deal in commodities (in a general sense), not capital. You exchange Commodities for Money which you use to buy Commodities (C -> M -> C), while a capitalist exchanges Money for Commodities for more Money (M -> C -> M++)

[@vmcampos]

Amazing discussion, as always! Love the series. Suggestion: a deep-dive, long-view browse of that beautiful bookshelf, item by item and the story behind it. 😊

[@cireegdoh]

Nooooo! Why is the episode over? GIVE ME MOAR!!!! But for real, I love Dies to Removal. I wish this was a daily talk show.

[@jonathanperigo6853]

Really like the editing in this one. Give my praise to the editor 🥰

[@stocxt]

I agree with Vince that capitalism at its core is about unlimited growth which is ultimately destructive

[@SlashCampable]

Yeah. Prioritizing short term gains over stability and future infrastructure is a hallmark of capitalism. It's just the natural endpoint of the philosophy, when there's nothing more you can effective, you'll have to make compromises on quality to increase the gains. Chasing growth this much is dooming the game and the community around it.

[@Dre2Dee2]

Not really. Plenty of company stocks have little to no growth but have stable dividends, an exclusive mechanism of capitalism

[@literallysomedudeliterally9470]

@@Dre2Dee2 woosh

[@CalmRVRS]

Maybe Wizards should take a page from Riot and how they’ve expanded their universe through multimedia… I know if there was a series of hour long plus animated films of choice magic history, I’d watch it. It’d help give life to characters who don’t have their own cards or places never seen before…

[@HelminthCombos]

Vehicles are pretty good since creature board wipes don't affect them unless its at instant speed. Also lovely skit.

[@majestyzx9081]

The editing in this video is still masterclass two years later.

[@johnbts9216]

Alchemy is a scam for forcing players to use wildcards. Arena is now a pure drafting environment.

[@angeldoyle859]

That's what I use it for, really. I feel kinda ashamed that I even have a single standard deck there and that I spent money on it.

[@14Chrysler300sAWD]

Nah alchemy is fun and refreshing

[@raonair]

Those final seconds. No words, just slowly getiing your arms down and staring at the void. Perfection.

[@BloodMoonGo]

"You have a KZbin channel?!?" Is the best returning bit and I live for it

[@nickpflug9429]

man, when are we getting the Spice8Rack x PleasantKenobi x TCC in person episode??? Go to the UK, Prof, make it happen!! (please lol) also, the cut on Vince's laugh on the last frame was TOO good lmao

[@DisregardedHappiness]

Your intro was so good it should be a recurring series. I actually forgot it was just an intro

[@gathererstavern7858]

Very insightful discussion and one we definitely need more. There are many ways to generate profit and build/further the IP of the game we all love so much. Some of these options may not be as easy as printing singles but they could do the IP a lot more good and bring in a new generation of players (e.g. creating high quality MTG-related multimedia content which old and new fans can enjoy).

[@natedavis5567]

It's so cool seeing Dan Olson's video get so much attention, thanks for helping spread it

[@nimblelafitte1923]

Hah! Omg! At the start; “ you guys get payed?” I laughed so hard! Ahhhh I’m still laughing while writing this! Bravo!

[@MortiviusMTG]

Prof, love what you do. Keep up the good work!

[@josephrion3514]

Nice Dan Olsen folding ideas plug, but I've seen it already a few times. He's a great creator who gets into some serious deep dives.

[@davedussault8324]

Asmodee buying WotC would be the worst thing that could happen. It would not remotely be good.

[@The_Cabal]

damm nice sketch and quality ! sharper then other 4k video

[@tj_ruckus2112]

never noticed the D&D books until now. nice!

[@ianlawrence8343]

I appreciate you two bringing up the conversation with Kibler. I had only seen info about it in passing on Twitter and was interested to see what came of it. To hear your side of it is refreshing.

[@CatherineSC]

Right there with you prof. BEEEEEEEEEEP

[@KingRarecrazy]

00:56 This joke just got ten times better

[@misomiso8228]

Great 'Codex Angels of Death' T shirt Plesantkenobi!

[@Tetrix9898]

I love that you two are doing this in your socks.

[@daniel42029]

I was really hoping for a spice8rack seizing the means of goblin production comment.

[@TheBshwckr]

an episode with spice8rack has to have super bowl levels of production considering how extra both are. edit: the only way spinning off wotc would be good for magic is that it went private later. that way you're not legally required to purely bring profits to shareholders.

[@philipbartlett7740]

Thanks for the link to the Line goes up! Great video

[@jonaingo29]

I've been waiting patiently for the next episode of Dies to Removal and it did not disappoint! Thanks Prof and Vince! Regarding this hedge fund play to spin off WOTC: this is really about value stock vs growth stock. Currently, Hasbro is regarded as more of a value stock. They take their profits and reinvest a portion back into the business but distribute a substantial chunk to shareholders as dividends. A growth stock, on the other hand, reinvests most profits back into the business to try to grow as quickly as possible rather than pay dividends to shareholders. This hedge fund believes that WOTC has a lot of untapped growth potential and that it is being hindered because Hasbro is more focused on paying dividends than trying to grow quickly. So their proposition is that WOTC should be spun off from Hasbro so that Hasbro could focus on dividends and an independent WOTC could focus on growth. What I find interesting about them trying to court player support is that generally it seems like the community has been hostile toward recent WOTC efforts to grow and expand the player base. I keep hearing spokespeople with WOTC saying things like, "well maybe this product isn't for you." If Twitter and Reddit are at all representative of the playerbase, enfranchised players despise hearing this. And yet, WOTC can't grow without getting new customers to buy their products or getting existing customers to buy more. Based on this, it would seem to me that the community would be completely against the idea of WOTC transitioning into a growth model because that would mean more of what they are already mad about. I sense a lot of concern from the community that there is a metaphorical gentrification happening where WOTC is catering to new players and existing players with deep pockets and that this is slowly pushing out the average enfranchised paper player. It is weird for me, because I have been aware of magic for many years but was only finally able to play after Arena was released. From my perspective, things like the reserved list and constant rotation make the game very expensive to play plus the requirement of needing to have a play group or LGS to play at (which is difficult for a dad with three little kids). Arena finally gave me a way that I could play magic without spending a bunch of money and needing to block off an entire weeknight or Saturday afternoon away from my kids. It has been so much fun that I started getting into online content (which was when I found this amazing video podcast!). It is a bid weird though, that so many people online are so mad at Arena when it has been such a great thing for me. I hope there is a future where we can all enjoy magic the way we want to play it and that enfranchised paper players won't be pushed out and new digital-only players like me won't be pushed out either.

[@TheCatHerder]

Stay tuned for the next economics discussion, featuring special guests Rudy and Spice8Rack

[@megaduc]

9:45 that "b" got to me so bad

[@benjiboy1337]

I only just now realized that the 'broken record' bit in the intro music is poking fun at the name of the podcast, since "dies to removal" is like the skip of a broken record to anyone evaluating new cards for any amount of time.

[@mikotagayuna8494]

I notice that the Prof placed his copy of Disney's Villainous board game next to his MtG stuff. Is he trying to show a connection between the two? I wonder.

[@chrisvasseur-landriault7757]

The Professor: "If they're watching this: Please don't sue me; Don't ever call me again." I busted out laughing at that.

[@justinveron698]

That was an awesome and hysterical intro!

[@RunawayStereo]

Dies to removal drinking game: Take a drink every time Prof says "dont sue me"

[@sandeshdhyan7269]

Thanks for standing up

[@g.seanmassingill3320]

The phrase you're searching for Vince is "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism"

[@williamschroeder5816]

Oh my gosh… the editing in this video was PERFECT. And this is not a scam :P

[@music00soba]

lol when the ad roll started as vince said arena at 19:48 i got an arena ad

[@mufasafalldown8401]

Last time I tried getting into Arena it was mindless grinding with crappy standard decks to get daily gold to do drafts. After the entire season I had enough wildcards for half of a decent standard deck.

[@lazyfox8844]

THE EDITOR A++++ 😂😂😂

[@clunkyard]

the "you have a youtube channel?!?" bit gets funnier everytime

[@samcummings1001]

As soon as Prof said that hardly anyone buys his mech from the KZbin links, I had to immediately buy a mug from the KZbin link. 😁

[@MatthewOstergren]

To add to one point Vince was making here, you can't reach a stable point because of the competition too. Corporations are constantly in a state of grow or die. Corporations that try to just even out almost always end up getting priced out of the market by some competitor that is growing itself recklessly. It's a system of selection that favors unsustainable, exponential growth.

[@wesleyavritt2025]

Great video! My only complaint is that yes, capitlism really is bad.

[@schumerus6786]

They made the Universes Beyond available so people are more incentivized to get set boosters. Don’t forget they raised prices with Kamigawa, so they can now “justify the increase” partially at least

[@chevin0]

I commented that you were doing an NFT, but only because the idea was so funny to me. It was just about the funniest (to me) prediction.

[@sandeshdhyan7269]

I will be so happy if I see you guys stack the board

[@dzdj]

7:46 oh man, lol, that made me laugh way harder than it should have.

[@TMidander]

Congratulations on your daughter, Vince! =)

[@nickjoseph77]

Loved the intro and to see Crim! I saw you two sneak into the Goldfish trolling podcast today. Lol

[@shawnk7243]

I am a magic the gathering boomer and I actually LOVE alchemy. It's a very simple premise that includes online cards that work in such a way that they only make sense online as well. That is literally what alchemy is, simple and fun! I love conjuring cards into my hand or seeking random cards from my deck, things like that which again are not possible in the physical format.

[@starmanda88]

Anything with Crim is an instant like and love from me.

[@ChiefLibrarianAhriman]

Crim and PK are the best duo.

[@arzellwilson6491]

“You have a KZbin channel!?!?” Cracks me up every time.

[@realgar286]

I like how Brian's toes wiggle in Vince's shots. Also check out Dan Olsen's video on Fortnight.

[@chris.becker]

I have one random old copy of Inquest, and it happens to be one of the two on Prof's table in this video. That's kind of a crazy coincidence.

[@TippettRugby]

11:14 And their predictions were perfectly accurate 🙃

[@moretimeproductions]

That intro was just...it was just...Magic!

[@paythe1mtgofficial]

he should pay the 1 if he knows whats good for him

[@alfredb2036]

Thanks

[@TolarianCommunityCollege]

Holy wow. Thank you! Yay, Capitalism?

[@enxel493]

Loved the intro sketch, great performance, Vince.

[@TheCaptainstupendous]

Vince's Italian-American by way of Marlon Brando with an English accent is really confusing to the ear.

[@Redcoat86]

Can we get a Vince Jabroni mug with “I _get_ paid!” on it? Great video gents!

[@brandonvoice8941]

Vinny unpleasant Gibroni was LOL funny. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣