NGRAVE Zero Review | My Thoughts 6 Months Later...

In this video, I discuss. my experience with the NGRAVE Zero cryptocurrency hardware wallet after using it frequently for the last 6 months. I discuss the pros, cons, new features, roadmap, and alot more!
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1:08 The Risks With Not Holding Your Own Private Keys
2:37 Why NGRAVE Zero Is Different From Any Other Crypto Wallet
6:42 Why I Moved My Keys Off Ellipal And Onto The Zero
8:32 New Coins, New Features, New Security Options, NFT Support, Etc...
15:15 Pros AND Cons Of NGRAVE Zero (Both Sides)
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[@cryptorenegade]

Have you guys tried out the NGRAVE ZERO Yet? Let me know in the comments below!

[@reubenpaul11]

Not available in India. Safepal S1 yes and quite satisfied. I want to know how to add Matic but in Bep20 mode. I want to know how to add genuine contracts as there are so many fake ones online. Hoe to add genuine contracts of Tokens or coins in Bep20 ? Or USDT in TRC20?

[@CIA_Killed_JFK]

@@reubenpaul11 CoinMarketCap

[@stevenskinner9005]

I have had nothing but problems with this device. And I wanted to like it. You can't transfer your BTC off once on the Zero! The device freezes up dozens and dozens of times.... and won't let me transfer my BTC off or my SOL. The Solana requires a transfer message and coinbase does not require one.!!! I'm NOT HAPPY AT ALL WITH THIS PRODUCT

[@-Bogdan]

To expensive!

[@MasterCorel]

Yes i tried it. Its a piece of shit. Overpriced beta wallet. No updates, no defi, no coin support, transaction fee problems, the fingerprint scanner is not working, the QR code camera not working, the battery is a joke, my friend changed it 5 times already! I changed it 2 times already. I regret buying it! Thx for your recommendation. Wasted money.

[@cryptoprince8284]

I bought one this November at black friday offer + gift (screen protector). I was very suprised of the materials there is been used! It feels really you get something for your money. I love this wallet! There is one issue, battery doesn't last very long. Max 1 and half hour. I hope they add battery saver mode in the next firmware update. Or any update which they could make the battery last longer! I used ledger x before, buttons on them is very weak and got replaced 2 already.

[@rommelpablo3552]

you're probably my most trusted crypto guy when it comes to wallets. Thanks so much. Getting my ngrave in july.

[@lindahumphries5002]

Thanks. You have me convinced. I will be ordering one now. Great video.

[@maguiresporthorses]

I’m glad you said let’s cut to the chase 15mins in 😂

[@chobb2061]

How reliable is it to date, 12th June 2023? Would be nice to have a latest up to date verdict!

[@zblus]

Does anyone know how long the battery lasts if the device is turned off and stored away? 🤔

[@patrickpk4421]

Love the no holds barred and No BS reviews. Straight to the point. This is valuable!

[@jmlason8862]

Thanks for the content brother! I enjoy your channel.

[@cryptorenegade]

I appreciate that!

[@cristianascari8603]

Have the ngrave guys competed the integration with metamask? Is there any firmware to download which is involved in the process of this device? Thanx

[@johnsouza5262]

Thanks for sharing pal 👍 😀 John Souza from Hong Kong ❤️ I am just an infant in getting involve with bitcoin you show something to me SECURITY. I have already subscribed to your channel and I believe there will be lots of thumbs up

[@nexus6999]

Thank you, great insight.

[@davidfarang7896]

Thx for the clear honest review. I bought SafePal 3 y ago and wasnt really using it because i didnt like it, the screen, the button look cheap etc... After the ledger new firmware i was looking for a safer cold storage.

[@MrFooChops]

Hearing you. Only just started looking into this but already thinking that ColdCard is the better option. Sometimes less specs and a more simplistic device is better

[@lucian-danbuzea1257]

Hi.What about battery life and what happens with the ngrave when the battery dies?

[@johnwilliamson3164]

Please let us know what you are seeing on battery life. I can't do a 30 minute session w/o the battery icon going yellow. Thanks

[@igorbisanti3043]

Hi, how can i use my ngrave to connect to collabland ? Is that even possible ?

[@JayTrevorrow]

Great video Thank you

[@adamreinecke2287]

Always very solid reviews thanks for the good info!!!

[@cryptorenegade]

My pleasure!

[@scott1111]

Do you still stand by this? Thinking of getting off ledger. Thanks

[@raphaelprotti5536]

I'd love another vist of this wallet after a year of use. Any issues?

[@passingcloud01]

since I saw exodus on the picture there I would like to add caution to using that with hbar, as if you import it changes your private keys(this was notified to me by a hashpack dev) and also their seed only works with exodus and not with any other wallet… (as in if you made hbar wallet through exodus and tried using the same seed phrase in another wallet to import it doesn’t work!)

[@uczz57b]

If Ngrave device breaks can data be transfered to another Ngrave device?

[@chetrodell]

i have 2 of these. though i havnt used them yet i wanted to give some time to let the market find any issues. i even have one of the first produced in emerald green.

[@Adrian-uc4ox]

Can you stake EGLD from this device?

[@fernandos5403]

Does it support hedera ?! thanks

[@viperviperpiro]

great review. May i ask if i can see my mnemonic 24 seeds words equivalent if we use the "Perfect Key" encryption to set up the wallet in ngrave at the initial setup? i think it might be in setting menu. Can advise. thinking of getting the Ngrave.

[@cryptorenegade]

Yes, you can get the 24 word seed phrase in the settings menu after you've initialized the device, but the hexidecimal format is much better in my opinion :)

[@viperviperpiro]

@@cryptorenegade tks buddy!

[@zyrrhos]

When you set up the perfect key, it also sets up the mnemonic. Just push the mnemonic button and you'll see it. Write it down, too, if you wish.

[@nialldewar]

Stop zooming in and out... Your words are enough. I feel seasick

[@joshuadickmann992]

I still love my simple cold storage wallets. But I'd buy this as secure wallet I could preload before traveling.

[@MESTIC999]

Is there any way to swap cryptos on that device?

[@viperviperpiro]

the liquid app i.e. the software will generate the QR code that needs to be scanned with the ZERO, how are we going to know if this QR code is not compromise? Since this app is design by the company itself, can the QR code generation be a insider job? Esp if the last line of defence, the user did not verify the last step before sending the cryptos... he will be ending up send his coins to an unknown address... Is this scenario real? pls advise. And is there a liquid app on PC? why not have one?

[@NGRAVE]

Hi Richie, this actually illustrates our choice for QR codes as security feature well. You can scan our QR codes with any device you want to see what's inside of it. So if there is anything hidden there, we will be called out immediately by our users. Also, if a hacker would change your QR code, same thing. You will always see on your ZERO what you are about to sign - the Sign Is What Your See principle. Contrary, USB or BLE doesn't allow for this and makes it a full black box experience. You actually have security through transparency with QR codes. Regarding LIQUID on PC; a web version may come in the future. We have not decided on this yet.

[@viperviperpiro]

@@NGRAVE thanks alot Ngrave. Any confirm shipping date if one wants to pick up the ngrave now and any discount code for buyers? thanks again for the reply. cheers!

[@liberiosimas9200]

Does it have bnb coins and passive income?

[@ghostazp3377]

Just got mine and I believe i made a transaction and the qr scanner worked but since i updated to 1.2 it wont read any qr codes i have tried different screen brightness and also installing the update again and still no luck!

[@NGRAVE]

Hi Ghostaz - definitely contact our support team and they'll help you sort this out within 24 hours.

[@AmyThrash]

Did you get it sorted out? Or is the scanner overall just glitchy?

[@mschwaller3371]

While the Zero sounds pretty cool at first being 'fully airgapped' but how do you get new apps onto it? How can you make sure those apps cannot somehow export the key using the QR code being displayed? I would also appreciate an explanation how it is prevented that you might install a bad firmware update that might leak data? My worry is that someone at NGRAVE has the private key to sign a firmware update and might give them a lot of power if they manage to publish a bad firmware update that potentially transfers all you coins to their account when you make your next transaction. Personally i haven't found a solution to this except never updating or installing apps and hoping for the best - not cool :/ Also their backup plates are pretty cool and I like that they split it up in two codes but having the front plate with the numbers/letters you might be able to detect color/stains of the tool inside the holes. This would make the base plate obsolete. Might be hard to actually implement but i would keep that in mind before storing millions ;-) This issue can be easily solved by going through alle the holes after making the baseplate indentations, against a wooden plate or something. Ok turns out is has a USB port to update the firmware ... air gap principle broken :/

[@VamosViverFora]

Adding to your really pertinent questions mine: if they go bankrupt, is it possible to recover it elsewhere?

[@mschwaller3371]

@@VamosViverFora Actually they provided me with detailed information via mail support. Bene is doing a great job there and it boils down to multiple guys signing the firmware. While not being perfect it convinced me that they do their best. Unlike Ledger I would find it highly unlikely they would issue a firmware that allows you to export the private key. Sadly, coin support is still pretty limited. Hopefully some investor can put an end to this! With the recovery words you can restore anywhere basically.

[@Den-nu6pv]

Is this device to complicated for a beginner to use. Thanks

[@JeremiahNichol]

Have you ever tried the Lattice1?

[@tylercetina2890]

What happens if NGRAVE goes bankrupt, or is shut down? How would you restore your wallet on another hardware type with the Ultimate Backup code in that case? Or, even with just the hexadecimal key? Are there other wallets that would restore your crypto accounts through hexadecimal authentication in the event you would need to? It would be pointless to punch anything other than the mnemonic phrase into the steel plate, correct? But again, then how do you get a replacement upper plate if the company goes away? Thus not being able to recover the phrase

[@cryptorenegade]

If they device fails, breaks, or otherwise is destroyed, the hexidecimal private key, which can be converted into a 24 word seed phrase can be used to restore all private keys to a new wallet using the bip39 standard (which is 99% of all wallets). Hope this helps! Cheers!

[@dropdead6968]

Kadena? Flux?

[@ROTDOROGAVPERED]

NGRAVE Zero has open source code or not?

[@ivantsochev2286]

what abour ledger and Trezor ?

[@krz4t8]

Does this wallet work with Rabbi?

[@Jsingh95]

Very good information. How to update New software on hardware device?

[@passingcloud01]

the true power of your reviews was the unbiased nature of them, that has clearly changed

[@tadghsmith1457]

What do you mean?

[@kasoncampbell5544]

a couple of troubling social/general bias statements were made

[@passingcloud01]

@@tadghsmith1457 rather giving a fair review, its more like he’s a salesperson for Ngrave

[@aikidokamks]

I like mine. I do wish there was a way to adjust the screen it's very bright

[@cryptobudu9970]

how long did it toke to get your ngrave i have been waiting for almost a year and nothing ordered 2 at separate times and nothing ,

[@NGRAVE]

Your NGRAVE should have arrived by now. We typically send out an email so you can confirm your shipping address. Check spam just in case. If you still don't find anything, contact support and we'll help you within 24 hours.

[@zs8953]

💯💯💯

[@JFH899]

Does NGrave use animated QR codes??

[@MegaWayfarer]

Has no one encountered camera not reading QR codes. I have had huge problems reading the verification QR code. I think it is a very cheap camera.

[@chrischerry5075]

What about binance bnb/busd bep20

[@donnieb2000]

What about the fact the NGRAVE is not open source ?

[@hd9g]

Is USDC on Solana blockchain available?

[@fmed2412]

As great as this sounds they are very limited in the supported coins. Really only three of my 15 coins are supported. This would be of no use to me at this point. So now I’m back to either ledger or trazer

[@jflhr]

Same reason I won't buy it. I hold Solana, Ftm, Theta Network, ect. It could be the most secure wallet of the entire universe but you have to hold just BTC or ETH because those are basically the apps that it has(exagerating a little bit). It sucks for me. They have to work faster on the coin support or they are not gonna grow as a company in my opinion. Better experience with ledger with way more functions of staking and a ton of tokens and coins. Ledger still the #1

[@reubenpaul11]

SAFEPAL S1 IS SIMPLY AWESOME WOTH MORE THAN 30000 COINS AND TOKEMS SUPPORT.

[@zyrrhos]

​@@jflhr It also supports Solana with the new firmware update. You really shouldn't be holding too many alt coins anyway ;) They now support NFTs as well, which is why I got it, but I may use it for my other crypto holdings as well.

[@myyoutube5242]

Trezor has no solana. They have no intention of introducing it because they are paid off by ETH presumably. Ngrave supports it. And all the other security features. Trezor doesn’t.

[@stevolanddownunder3549]

Ngrave has the same secure element chip eal5+ its secure hardware rating overall is eal7.

[@johnnyalexander4656]

My friend any thoughts on D’CENT wallet

[@cryptorenegadeupdates]

so good

[@user-kc8ho2rv1u]

The secure element is EAL5+ certified, not EAL7

[@dxvdxnd]

Wonder why bsc ain’t on here

[@stevolanddownunder3549]

Great review mate. Just wondering if the Ngrave is compatible with bip39 If the need arises to recover assets on a different brand of wallet. Cheers.

[@cryptorenegade]

Yes it is compatible

[@stevolanddownunder3549]

@Crypto Renegade Cheers mate thank you.

[@transporter1668]

How long does it last on the battery in regular use?

[@ikaramba3954]

Mine doesn’t last more than 2 hours but once I figure the device out and get comfortable with it it really won’t take long to sign a transaction so the battery life won’t be an issue.

[@renaissancemaneric8019]

You transferred all your crypto onto to Ngrave from an Ellipal? I'm the opposite. Ellipal has so much more going on, and tons more tokens. Waiting for Ngrave to get out of minimal viable product (MVP).

The Ellipal is not good and they are made in China. I do not trust anything made in China.

[@chetrodell]

elipal is much less secure. dont really care about how many tokens it has its not airgapped and not nearly as secure.

[@tormedina9053]

I bought ngrave a year ago it was fine for a while, now not anymore, it doesn't give me confidence, every time you want to withdraw a coin it won't let you, you have to contact support, so they can unlock the transaction. I have lost confidence. Total of this thing I will go to my favorite wallet, trezor 100% better.

[@cruz19761000]

Can the device last for about 20 years? Tangem gives warranty for 25 years . Thanks !

[@BryanDoesCinema]

I bought one about 2 years ago, finally arrives late last year, have never used it. Your video and the state of crypto right now is causing me to open this box and just get it done. Just freaked out that I might lose all my ETH if I set it up wrong.

[@petersmith6798]

You'll be fine. Hard wallets aren't as intimidating as they seem.

[@thomasp2479]

Love the Ngrave too, safest, easiest and from their updates I think it'll become even better (if that's even possible)

[@poorchristopher15]

Ngrave is not the safest. It is a $400 device that does the same thing as ledger and trezor. The developers can create a back door to your secret words.

[@walterdouglas2931]

Liquid ? No explanation...... How do they work together? So im guessing My IPHONE(aka-liquid) connects with the device via QR code Im not new to this but you leave a lot of unanswered questions to thise who are not familiar. I also know From a QFS source that the QFS team is using Lobstr

[@crashandmolly]

Has anybody had difficulty using the camera? I found the camera quality to be a bit poor. Often times it would take a while to recognize a QR code or it wouldn't recognize it at all.

[@cryptorenegade]

Just gotta find the right light

[@johnwilliamson3164]

ADA?

[@baronsilverbaron757]

What about BITFI?

[@tpdtopcop2010]

Do we really need the combo pack for the extra 💵💵? I have several plates for phrases.

[@cryptorenegade]

It’s not required, but the Graphene is designed specifically for the Zero, and it’s worth the extra bit for the combo. Trust me on that, you won’t regret it!

[@tpdtopcop2010]

@@cryptorenegade Ok thanks for the reply. I appreciate it

[@TheFunesk]

I feel like these wallets have such small batteries that they really are going to only last two years tops. I think that's why a lot of people like the ledgers s plus because they have no battery.

[@MarcusHorwood]

Did you buy this item or was it sent to you for reviewing ?????? Is this video sponsored in any way

[@cryptorenegade]

This is NOT a sponsored video. I disclose all sponsored content up front in any of my videos. Cheers!

[@cliveadams7629]

Pen. Ink. Paper. That surely is the best way to do it?

[@uroslikar]

How do you recover if your device breaks and Ngrave goes out of business?

[@cryptorenegade]

You will always have your private key backed up and stored safely (hopefully you do this) to restore all funds if the device breaks/is lost, etc...

[@CryptoblBoomerlv30]

Cronos and Cronos chain support ?

soon to be added

[@mcored]

I’ll be curious to watch your 5 year review after the battery capacity is starting to have issues 🤔

[@myyoutube5242]

It’s a fair point. They should provide a replaceable battery.

[@lucious455]

All crypto wallet companies are going to give the key to the government if they put pressure on them just like the example CEO ledger said .

[@poorchristopher15]

People are dumb enough to pay $400 for this device. Besides the government issue, the developers can create a back door to your private keys. Like ledger and trezor.

[@btvaalburg]

I really wish there were not affiliate links here....

[@CryptoblBoomerlv30]

HBAR & CRONOS ?

[@timg7954]

If you are storing btc long term is something like coldcard mkiv a better choice even though a bit more quirky in use?

[@garroshhellscream8069]

no Ngrave is is the best in terms of cold storage.

[@timg7954]

@@garroshhellscream8069 not helpful. How better beside the chip? With multiple coins it has additional vectors for abuse if only storing btc…..

[@garroshhellscream8069]

@@timg7954 for YOUR situation both is better. ngrave for cold storage and mkiv for accessibility. you should NEVER use your cold bank regularly. it should only be used to withdraw large sums of money quickly and hidden.

[@timg7954]

@@garroshhellscream8069 Anndddd......totally didn't answer my original question. Nice one. NVM

[@garroshhellscream8069]

@@timg7954 you dont make any sense.

[@PursuitOfTheEnd]

Is the discord channel up and running?

[@cryptorenegade]

Yes

[@CryptoblBoomerlv30]

Metamask mobile support ?

[@cryptorenegade]

It's currently on the roadmap and in development :)

[@CryptoblBoomerlv30]

When Keystone got MM Mobile support it was a game changer. This is one feature that is holding me from pulling the trigger. Although i might buy it and just hold til the feature is available.

[@OKTAYAlizadeh]

security expert lol,EAL 7 is certification for its os,ngrave still uses eal5 secure element,and looks like it has a shitty camera for $400 and alot of people complaining on reddit,not open source at all not even at basic stuff,for example after basic setup you scan the qr code to sync with liquid,are you 100% sure that you are not sending your seed with qr code to liquid?????NO

[@mesochild]

1:41 about to cope one of these now that ledger broke my trust

[@CryptoblBoomerlv30]

The biometric scanner is stubborn.

[@mamunurrashid2053]

Very talkative

[@royflag]

Just received my NGRAVE Zero, and I absolutely love it. The only thing I don’t like about it is the Zero I received has a single dead pixel on one side of the screen. Not a dealbreaker, but enough to really bug my OCD 🙄. Still a great device though

[@zyrrhos]

Ha, mine too! First one I received, the screen was slightly ajar and they sent me a new one within a few days, and told me to keep the other one. I pressed the screen down and it's fine. But the new one has one dead pixel. So I have two now.

[@derektuahine1476]

Can you have multiple accounts for the same coin? E.g BTC#1 BTC#2 BTC#3

[@cryptorenegade]

yes

[@derektuahine1476]

@@cryptorenegade how do you do that please. I have only owned my Zero for 2 weeks but would like to keep accounts separate. TIA

[@Niru4luv]

​@@derektuahine1476 May be wallet brands are different but the process is same. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3XYmqiGnr5mm8k​

[@FrostyDeagz]

Can I keep multiple btc wallets in it?

[@cryptorenegade]

Yes

[@FrostyDeagz]

@@cryptorenegade any idea the limit of wallet and wallets of the same types?

[@gefingeerdbetweenthedots6092]

n grave staking?

[@cryptorenegade]

Coming soon

[@tylercetina2890]

When is cardano coming?

[@cryptorenegade]

soon! in development now.

[@johnwilliamson3164]

IF it ever works with Liquid on a Mac or PC I will buy two! I am just old school and am spoiled by my beautiful 32" monitor.

[@metaboss2021]

You missed the biggest con, the price!

[@mul9119]

My not so positive NGrave Zero thoughts… • The ‘secret key’ can be easily displayed from the settings mode meaning that this 8x8, 64 digit key is protected only by the 8 digit pin or in the case of 2FA the 8 digit pin and your finger print which I found works inconsistently at best. • Air gapped is perfect, what I didn’t realize and found out the hard way is that 2 of my exchanges cannot handle this in their address verification process. This is part of the KYC and I believe regulated in the Netherlands. I guess I can withdraw to my Nano X and then teleport to the NGrave but inconvenient at least. • Battery charging, perhaps I have a bad unit but the unit will loose charge even when on a charger and the only way to restart charging is by unplugging and plugging the USB C cable. • Not sure what the consequences of wiping the device are - also protected only by the 8 digit pin and any 2FA if you have activated that. Looks like a pretty cool device, bummer I can’t seem to use it as I had already emptied my non-Netherlands exchange crypto and am left with the verification complexity.

[@topouzidd]

The charging thing you mentioned has something to do with your charger and charge protocol signing. I used to have this problem when I plugged my iPhone to a Samsung charger. If it stopped charging for some reason, I'd have to unplug and plug again to continue charging. Then I changed charger and it works as expected. Try a different charger on your NGrave.

[@mul9119]

@@topouzidd will do, thanks for the tip!

[@njb7319]

Tried it and LCD touch screen is quite not as responsive plus QR code fails quite a lot. Shelve 500 bucks for this is an absolute rip off

[@zyrrhos]

Have you reached out to them? Their customer support is very responsive.

[@njb7319]

@@zyrrhos very responsive but shelving 400+ dollars for this was not the best move. Sticking with Ledger and Trezor at.

[@zyrrhos]

@@njb7319 I like my Trezor for crypto, not NFTs. Ledger is clumsy and not very user friendly. It actually froze on me the first time I used it, and I shelved it. This is a far superior device and will work out the bugs.

[@njb7319]

@@zyrrhos ledger is super easy to use and got most of the major coins. Plus you can stake directly on it as well. I will wait that the Ngrave Zero drop the price as it is not worth it at the moment

[@zyrrhos]

@@njb7319 In your opinion. Ledgers are garbage. I own two of them.

[@kikoondaroad5915]

How to withdraw?video pls

[@cryptorenegade]

Are you referring to sending your keys from the Zero to another wallet? Or are you refering to withdrawing your crypto from a 3rd party and moving it to the Zero?

[@dkbee3436]

Sold out and looks like in Euros.

[@tribalart88]

Do you have a tutorial on how to use the Ngrave?

[@cryptorenegade]

their channel has the tutorials and steps on how to use it and initialize it!

[@mie-]

is this hardware wallet made in china?

[@cryptorenegade]

No, made in the EU

[@fiftysix9331]

Polkadot?

[@cryptorenegade]

With patience, I believe so :)

[@Paintboss-ld2hi]

You made fun of other devices needing metal back up plates. Then showed this one does too? Was this a paid advertisement? Like the QR codes but everything else is no more secure then my ledger

[@cryptorenegade]

I don't know what you're talking about making fun of metal recovery seed backup plates. I use several of them and always have. When/where did I say that? There is a clear distinction between the Graphene and the regular recovery seed backups that only provide the first 4 letters of your seed words. This is far more secure, but I wold still rather use THAT than not having one at all. No, this is not a paid advertisement, it's just my favorite wallet at the moment. Form factor, security chip, user experience is WAYYY better than Ledger on every level. But hey, thats just my opinion. You're of course entitled to yours :) Cheers!

[@lucious455]

500 bucks 😂

[@gusgalvanini]

This is too pricey man. I know crypto users can usually afford hefty prices but, this is a lot, I'd consider it for 200-300$, $500 is too much, it's more than $500 w/tax. Fihggeddahbbauddi.

[@cryptorenegade]

You get what you pay for…

[@tjern3_]

This wallet would be perfect, if the scanner wasn’t so trash, this is the most important part to get your crypto out of the wallet and sell smhh