NHL Captains Who Were STRIPPED Of Their "C"

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In today's video we go over the chaotic captaincy stories of Trevor Linden and Mark Messier, Rob Niedermayer, P.K. Subban/Shea Weber, and Roberto Luongo.
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[@RobTalksHockey]

Who is your teams best or questionable captain?

[@miken8889]

leaf fans may remember a guy named dion phaneuf!

[@brandonlodge_1238]

Andy Greene lmao

[@jok3r906]

Best by far is a tie between Stevie Y and Nik Lindstrom

[@leaffan7479]

As a Leaf fan George Armstrong RIP

[@truehockeyfan1179]

Yashin just Yashin

[@johnfitzgerald7339]

always thought the goalie not being eligible for "C" was dumb. If he's the heart and soul of your team then why not?

[@bbb462cid]

Many fans don't understand the role of Captain or Alternate. It's not just "designated leader". There's rules regarding who can speak to officials and when.

[@Zillzbillz]

Like the other guy said, I heard an explanation once. If I remember right, it is because a goalie can’t properly fulfill the responsibilities that the Cs and ACs have.

[@blendedgrain5893]

@@bbb462cid thank you for actually knowing

[@YANILLIONAIRE]

@@blendedgrain5893 basically there was a Habs goalie waaaay back in the 1920/30's (i think) who was a captain and him leaving the crease constantly became a large delay of game so they banned it

[@worldsokayest8601]

@@YANILLIONAIRE bill durnan. Circa 1940s/50s if I'm not mistaken

[@gabe_davtyan]

As my dad always says: “you don’t need a C on your chest to know if your a leader”

[@jordan_mcchesney]

If you’ve ever wondered why Canucks fans routinely say “f*ck Messier”, now you know.

[@cthomas025]

Yep, and well deserved. As a huge Rangers fan, I never liked Messier. I appreciate what he did helping to bring the cup to NY, but what a pompous douche. Even now, he's done nothing post playing career in coaching or personnel, but the guy thinks he deserves a shot at being the head coach or GM of the Rangers. I'm just thankful that Dolan hasn't been THAT stupid...yet.

[@Chujometlofuk]

@@cthomas025 I agree fully

[@TrenbologneSandwich]

Worst player to ever lace em up

[@Gl-my8fw]

@@TrenbologneSandwich lol. No. Not a great person but a damn good player still.

[@chengliu872]

I am surprised that you didn't talk about Joe Thornton.

[@spiderwoopet]

or Dustin Brown

[@f-twelve7155]

Joe Thornton couldn’t handle the pressure and asked them to not be the one

[@chengliu872]

@@f-twelve7155: So it wasn't so much that he was stripped of the role than that he stepped down from the role?

[@f-twelve7155]

@@chengliu872 Yeah I mean from my remembering that’s what happened, he was made fun of for turning the role down from fans and stuff, so I think I’ll consider this case more of a step down than getting robbed

[@onthegrow8403]

@@f-twelve7155 What the fuck are you talking about his general manager said he wasn’t captain materials so he said here have it back

[@transistorboy311]

Neidermayer lost his C when he was contemplating retirement the next year. He waited until December to come back.

[@transistorboy311]

@@chimpiki Very true. Sadly, ducks had to trade one of their better players to get Neidermayer back on the roster in Andy McDonald

[@floundermuffin8102]

Selanne too, start of the season sure sucked but when both of them came back i think the ducks had the best record from that point on! tough couple months going to games in my Neidermayer jersey and only seeing Rob :(

[@LordBhorak]

Not to be "that guy", but I'll be "that guy". It's Niedermayer... One guy even has his jersey, but still gets the name wrong 😢

[@giovanniherrera6037]

That team was ridiculously stacked. Had they all decided to come back right away the ducks would’ve 2-peated

[@duaneday5474]

Before or after winning the Vezna?🤣

[@victoriak5802]

I Would love to see "Penalized players reacting to shorthanded goals!"

[@kellyjamieson9806]

Yes

[@cammackinnon]

I thought this said Paralyzed players and I was so fucked up for a second

[@thedankswordsmantm]

Luogno was insane. There was years where Lu had top 5 save percentages but like 1000 more shots against than the guy in second for shots against. He was getting like 4000-4500 shots against a season in Florida.

[@connorthornewell2238]

In a world of teams giving an "A" to 4 or 5 players a season and not naming a captain for years at a time, I kinda respect that the Ducks just treated the "C" as captain for on-ice purposes. Scott was injured so passed it off and then returned it once fully healthy and ready to go

[@bbb462cid]

Five alternates? Can you name six examples?

[@connorthornewell2238]

@@bbb462cid en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NHL_captains_and_alternate_captains scroll through and see how many teams have 3-4,5, or 6 official alternates yourself

[@bbb462cid]

@@connorthornewell2238 Holy fuck I thought it was four teams

[@Kreege]

Not to mention, of all the people it could have gone too, Pronger was a pretty damn fine leader who already had years of experience wearing the C in St. Louis

[@Tek3333]

4:34 Damn Neidermayer won a Vezina? Impressive

[@troyscott6504]

Ok i wasnt the only one who noticed that

[@camronmerrill4824]

Feels pretty good to wake up to a Rob talks hockey video that I suggested 😀 good video bud keep it up

[@christophermerlot3366]

Ok young'un you've clearly never heard of Darryl Sittler. It was quite a saga.

[@Outta-hz1ej]

The problem with pissing on Harold Ballard's grave is that eventually you run out of piss.

[@rylanmonaghan7694]

That wasn’t being stripped of it though, he gave it up. But whatever the case I love that story as a flames fan

[@mr.devil9577]

Boggles my mind how people think Messier was the "greatest leader" in history when he demanded the C wherever he went. He put his ego ahead of his teammates and was a disgrace to the game dirty wise. He used his elbow so much it was disturbing. Not to mention he was a coke head too

[@LordBhorak]

The situation in Canucks couldn't have been messier. Thank, Mark Messier.

[@LimitR]

I think this is the greatest Hockey dad joke I've ever seen.

[@formulahank1250]

I think the 1995-96 St Louis Blues merit an inclusion. They stripped Brett Hull of the C at the beginning of the season and gave it to Shayne Corson. Then they trade for Gretzky at the deadline and make him captain for the final 18 games of the season. An absolute trainwreck of leadership

[@jon-eriksuermann9844]

I was going to make the same comment. It should be added that Keenan was behind that too.

[@AskAScreenwriter]

You missed a chance to talk about when it happened twice on the same team in the same season, again involving Mike Keenan. Coaching the St. Louis Blues in 1995-96, "Iron" Mike stripped superstar and Blues icon Brett Hull of the 'C' and gave it to Shayne Corson instead. Later that year, the Blues traded for All-time superstar Wayne Gretzky and Corson gave up the 'C' to him. Unfortunately. due to Keenan and the Blues playing hardball in contract talks the following Summer, the Great One departed for New York the next season. Keenan sure had a way of breaking up team leadership, didn't he?

[@thefanconnection8633]

Guess Mark Messier disliked this masterpiece lol

[@leifpye8428]

Jumbo joe unsubscribed

[@thefanconnection8633]

@@leifpye8428 Lolllll

[@elden4142]

I believe Dustin Brown got stripped of his Captaincy, I thought you were going to do about him but, great vid !

[@HectorHernandez-ts2sr]

And look what happened to the Kings after that.

[@pattygagne692]

@@HectorHernandez-ts2sr I don’t think you can chalk up the fallout of the kinds to brown being stripped😂 he wasn’t the same player anymore

[@natanlevi1756]

He def regressed but also didn’t deserve the strip. Very shocking also

[@alecedgeworth2814]

Messier also was hated in Vancouver for forcing the team to allow him to use a retired number when he came to the team

[@highmedic2351]

How does he force them?

[@alecedgeworth2814]

@@highmedic2351 He told the team that if he didn’t have the number that he wouldn’t play even though he knew the number was retired by the team

[@floundermuffin8102]

Neidermayer shouldn't be included on this list. Him and Selanne were thinking about retiring and didn't change their minds until halfway through the season. He wasn't stripped of the captain "C" because he was injured.

[@beansquampton]

Trevor Linden is forever one of my heroes in my heart. Hearing about his story always makes me smile but the trade... ugh.

[@ianjohnson8501]

The bangers just keep rolling out. Great video!

[@Yomasi]

Darryl Sittler got stripped of captaincy because he believed in players union Wendell Clark I believe lost it because he missed a single practice Harold Ballard was something else, dude...

[@unstoppablesaturnstudios4773]

I love your channel! You should do a video of what draft class you think would win in a playoffs against eachother from 2000-2010

[@williamwoodsworth441]

Hi Rob, great video, in light of the recent Habs destiny run, I think a video about the greatest underdog runs in NHL history would be good. Or an NHL greatest rookies or breakout seasons would be awesome too!

[@Kreege]

i attended a panthers @ lightning game in the early 2000s where luongo stopped 49 of 50 shots and the panthers beat the lightning 2-1. It was one of the most frustrating experiences i can recall as a hometown fan. He was a complete beast in those pre-lockout years. Shame they were wasted on those abysmal panthers teams

[@James-zg2nl]

This is probably your most important video yet. Leadership is greatly under appreciated by the fan base, despite being a main focus of any decent management team. Growing up in BC our teachers in school always put Linden at the peek of leadership, the bar all leaders were measured by… then Messier comes in… yeah, you said it all perfectly. I have loads of respect for him but after what he did to my beloved team it proved that the best intentions can turn into a ‘mess’

[@milksheikh.]

Here is an idea: Players in the Hall Of Fame that least deserve it Love the vids like always

[@niihh9613]

vs players who are in the HOF but deserve it the least

[@kaydencemcleod3558]

Definitely Wayne Gretzky, dude did nothing yet he's in the HoF

[@JosephBallin8]

@@kaydencemcleod3558 I know like he only scored 2000+ points like I could do that in 1 game

[@sadrevolution]

Ouch.

[@Yomasi]

I know the other comments are meme picks, but here's a serious one: Harold Ballard Do I need to say anything else?

[@gavinrector6505]

This video is amazing. Can't wait till you 100k

[@robin1699]

My brother played in Medicine Hat the year after Rob Niedermayer left. He lived with the same billets Niedermayer lived with. That is not why I am posting. When I was at camp with my brother, I went to a Pancake House and there met Trevor Linden's father. He saw my mom's Tigers sweater and introduced himself. He casually said his son Jamie had recently played for Medicine Hat and that his older son also did and was (at that time) the captain of the Vancouver Canucks. That has forever stuck with me,

[@downwithputinsaveukraine1313]

Who doesn't love a little Trevor Linden?

[@iix23]

We had him in MTL for a few seasons at the end of his career. A Class act helping youngsters and leading by example. I wish we could have had 6 of him on the ice. :D

[@mkslave9108]

Always great content. Keep sending it. Appreciate 👍

[@RobTalksHockey]

Appreciate ya

[@DRANGOFEET]

If you haven't done this video yet, I think "The Most Random/Worst Captains in NHL History" would be a fun video. Great content as always!

[@maxskogh6289]

Like Bryce Salvador for Devils. Which outsiders don't get why. He was a good locker room captain and a great example of a human being with all his charity work. A good guy who made people around him happy.

[@Madbro204]

Wow now I know why Vancouver HATES messier

[@hockeyperson36]

I love watching your videos, keep it up

[@connizle2586]

best hockey channel ive seen in a long time 👍

[@roberthansen2139]

Do you mind making a vid about the best undrafted players? Love the vids keep it up 👍

[@ryanward3871]

Huge props for bringing up Trevor Linden. He's my favorite player of all time and it still hurts us Canucks fans to this day how he was treated. Not to mention getting fired as president years later

[@lmnooz2756]

You could absolutely make a part 2 of this. - Brett Hull stripped in St Louis - Mike modano stripped in Dallas (and his wife Willa Ford trashed the Stars publicly). - Shayne Corson stripped in Edmonton and then 2 days later coach George Burnett was fired.

[@chiefkeef74]

Stripping Modano of his captaincy was when i lost respect for the Stars ownership before Jim Nill (trading Erikson for Seguin was still a bullshit move)

[@PetterHughes]

4:31 Woah Scott Niedermayer won a Vezina?!?! I didn't know he can play goalie

[@coreymoorey8093]

On the topic of captains, could you maybe do a video on the revolving door of captains that happened in San Jose with Thornton, Pavelski, and Marleau?

[@Matthews34]

Hey RTH, how about a video about 1 season wonders (Part 2)?

[@TheDannielboy]

Great video! Now you should do the captains who had no business being one.

[@shandomassey8634]

This seems like a hide for "I really wanted to talk about the messed up af messier days".... And I applaud you. And the other guy was from my hometown (Niedermayer) so that was cool as well. This video was great 👍

[@GASYGames]

I am no Kings fan, but I thought of Dustin Brown immediately when I saw your title!

[@unholy7324]

Yo Rob, this got my wife and I talking about team chemistry and production. I'd/we'd really love to see you do a series of > great players on the wrong team. < Like take for example Vrana and Mantha. 2 players that weren't really producing then got traded and hit their new teams running. There's way more examples. Martinez and Toffoli.

[@michaelloder4657]

Don’t forget messier wore 11 which is a known reserved number.

[@saltywingsandavsfan]

Bobby Lou was the only reason why the Nucks were good along with the Sedins

[@onthegrow8403]

Ya luongo had nothing to do with it lol

[@blade_20]

@@onthegrow8403 Either that is sarcasm or you dont know Bobby Lou's real name... Please for the love of all that is living, let it be the former

[@notdylancolley]

I would say Weber is one of the better examples of a true captain in the league. It's not always the player with the most points, but with the most courage, heart and dedication both on and off the ice.

[@iix23]

Weber is the guy you don't want to meet in the corner of the ice rink but would like to go to church with.

[@dstcoyote22rants]

When it comes to the Messier thing, there goes the joke: 1993-94 - Messier prevents the Canucks from winning a Stanley Cup 1998-01 - Messier prevents the Canucks from winning a Stanley Cup

[@sheeplehunter9651]

Luongo has said he stepped down as captain, that it was never stripped from him.

[@romanwasyluszko5790]

Mark Messier: You all are fired! Mark Messier: Ill hire you guys just because Mike Keenan: Great! What would you like us to do for you? Mark Messier: Take that Linden guy's C and give it to me Mike Keenan: Is there anything else Messier: yeah maybe just throw him to some other team maybe he just should not be here at all Keenan: Alright, how is this trade: Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe, and a 3rd round pick Messier: sounds great ------a month later------ Messier: Why are we so bad? Keenan: I don't know it makes no sense. Messier: You know what? I am gonna head out, have fun cleaning up this mess! Keenan: What the heck? Where are you going? Messier: I am going to the Rangers, See ya! Messier: you know what before I go, I'd kinda like to sue you, how about 6 mil? How does that sound? Keenan: What I thought we were friends, you traitor! Messier: Yeah I guess ill see you at Court

[@rauliirojas5580]

You should do a vid about best draft steals or what teams have the best future

[@rhyzz__5504]

Yo rob you are so underrated

[@jok3r906]

A video about crazy NHL facts that some have never heard of would be pretty cool

[@12lego25]

This guy named Darryl Sittler stripped the captaincy by himself because his teammate Lanny McDonald got traded to Calgary. (HE CUTTED THE C OFF THE JERSEY)

[@Yomasi]

Before that he also lost it because he believed in a player's union and Ballard didn't

[@johnburns9634]

Lanny didn't go from Toronto to Calgary. He went to the Colorado Rockies hockey team. Which became the New Jersey Devils. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Rockies_(NHL)

[@12lego25]

@@johnburns9634 My bad

[@Chrinchy]

You should do a video of teams that have had the most draft picks in the first round through their entire NHL history to teams that haven't. Or all draft picks not just the first round, unless you wanted to make more videos on it. Or even which team had the most draft picks in one draft season vs which team had the least.

[@PuthSardaraDha]

“Talent is never enough” - John C Maxwell

[@NHLfan96]

Happened to Thornton and Marleau two Sharks captains in a row

[@onthegrow8403]

Joe Thornton was not stripped of the c he stepped down GM said he was not captain material

[@daltonchandler9357]

You should make a part 2

[@princeofpcos9804]

Nieds thought about retiring all that summer. I even remember him holding a press conference only to say he will have an update at another press conference down the road. Also remember Burkie being visibly frustrated while saying Nieds has earned that right to take his time. Couldn't wait forever and Pronger was a leader anyway so it was pretty much a no-brainer out of necessity and not so much a stripping.

[@generalbullmoose]

Theoren Fleury. Brian Leetch. Mike Modano. All great players who were handed the captaincy of their teams by default, and all proved to be not up to the task.

[@hockeyfan1988]

Underrated superstars video, martin st louis and vincent lecavalier in tampa for example.

[@jjbling1231]

You should do a video on the dirtiest players and add up how many games they missed from suspension and how much money was fined from them throughout their careers.

[@Red021686]

I totally thought Patrick Marleau would have been in the video...

[@pierre-juliendaoust1351]

You should make a video about players who got better after a injury (ex: Gallagher)

[@BK-by5xh]

Yo does anyone know the name of the song that starts at around he 8:15 mark? I've heard it so many times but don't know the name.

[@dstcoyote22rants]

It wasn't injuries with Niedermayer, it was because he (and Teemu Selanne - who was a free agent) decided not to play at the start of the 07-08 season. Both Scott and Teemu couldn't decide if they wanted to retire, and because Scott was still under contract, he was formally suspended when he didn't report to training camp. He didn't officially return until that December (and Teemu back in February). So in Anaheim's position, I wouldn't blame them for having Pronger take the C that season.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Yes, and I should've done a better job explaining the entire situation. But you also left out the context that Scott was recruited specifically to lead and captain the Ducks when they were a non playoff team. He single handedly elevated them to cup finish within 3 years, and was stripped within months of winning because he was contemplating retirement. Not to mention that only 2 years later Scott would captain the Vancouver 2010 team, that was made up of only captains and the best leaders in the league. It was more so the disrespect to even think about removing him as captain. If Tavares debated retirement next year, would they instantly remove it within months? Absolutely not, and especially not back in 2007.

[@dstcoyote22rants]

@@RobTalksHockey yes, he was brought in to lead, but he wasn’t just contemplating retirement, he was not showing up! Being stripped of captaincy because you’re suspended and not playing is a good reason for management to say “okay, we gotta move on as best we can from this situation he and Teemu created.” Perhaps when he did come back he decided to not to take the C back out of respect for Pronger, or maybe Carlyle was sending him a message, but yes, we can both agree, Pronger was no Niedermayer. The dude was fun to watch, as was that entire 06-07 team - I was actually there when they won the Cup.

[@EJ___518]

Maybe could we get an expansion and/or entry draft speculation video?

[@theneo7305]

In the Weber situation it’s just that he got traded and someone on the Canadians already had the captain said they would’ve made him captain in the moment that the player who had it at the time Pacioretty was gone

[@SLAYERSWINE1]

How about NHL players who got all whacked out on drugs/alcohol that contributed to their demise ? Probert, Kordic, Lindbergh, Murphy, Fleury, Sanderson, & many others. A cautionary video if you will...🤔

[@michaelkeller5927]

"playing tummy sticks" 😂😂😂😂

[@SexyBarny69]

good video. I liked how informative it was. I think the avs best captain is probably Gabe Landeskog but I wasn't around for Joe sakic so I don't know if he was a good leader though. But gabe is a leader of men. he is an amazing leader

[@drunkreapermatt]

No mention to Dustin brown, or jumbo Joe? Alexei yashin, saku koivu?

[@Thathockeybro]

Hey, can you do possible draft steals for this season

[@drewsavarese5903]

Do a part two of against all odds Hockey prodigies

[@deeformed2475]

You forgot one fact about Shea Weber. Him + puck at the point + clear shot = Goalie crapping their pants

[@sneakyninjaedit]

Defenders and his own players too! Weber's shot: "Blood for the Blood God"

[@screamingbanana4391]

Dustin brown won two cups for the kings and got stripped from his c

[@stevewest5397]

Yeah, as a Canucks fan growing up, I remember the Mess that Messier made. My dad never liked him, even in his Oilers days. Always said he was a dirty player. Then he comes in and guts the Canucks? He is not liked in the West household.

[@Matt-bj4kj]

next video make ur top 10 of fowards, defense and goalies of all time

[@The-Dom]

while it didnt work out... of course you give the C to messier. Also, Linden didnt produce much, and with a new leader his value was all but gone, and the Canucks acquire 3 VERY good players in return. Its actually one of the best value trades i've ever seen. This single trade blessed the future of the canucks for 20 years despite the messier experiment going poorly.

[@dailymotiv8_992]

Although goalie is the most important position in hockey I also think that since they are defending the goal 100% of the time, they see the game from a completely different angle than the attackers. Which is why I think a captain should be an attacker, because he is able to talk with his team at all times, and see the game the same way.

[@Ryan-pp7nn]

Could u do a video on players hated by fan bases

[@brandondewar2643]

A video on, why the Toronto maple leafs fail. A timelime from when they lost in conforence finals all the way to this last season

[@joshualemieux7534]

You're absolutely wrong to say Weber is worse than Subban. Subban LOOKED better for one season after the trade, and that is it. Every year since, no fan, scout, player, coach or GM in the league would take PK over Weber.

[@drumagus2258]

Some black people are good at hockey get over it.

[@joshualemieux7534]

@@drumagus2258 wow, talk about the lowest level of intelligence to try and make it a race thing.

[@gkarenko9593]

I heard Meester forced them to give him a number that was retired and people didn't like that move either.

[@grangerjung4129]

Number 11 was unofficially retired by the team, so they allowed the POS to take it, over the objections of the family of the player who wore it, Wayne Maki, who died of a brain tumor. Ownership was also crap in those days, having taken over from the Griffiths family.

[@brockrobson4295]

Dustin Brown losing his C to Anze Kopitar? I'm surprised that didn't merit mention.

[@vc1954]

Hey Rob, here's an idea: how about a video of how long it took the greatest to get their first stanley cup? and then tag kyle dubas and brenden shanahan

[@Yomasi]

Well some teams are still looking for their first ones too And everyone in the original 6 got them pretty early in their existence Covering the longest cup droughts of all time seems like a better idea

[@vc1954]

@@Yomasi dailyhive.com/vancouver/leafs-stanley-cup-drought

[@levipratt1989]

you should make a video nhl players who where given captaincy to early

[@CMTT]

Being the best player, does not automatically mean they are leaders. (Before the rebuild ) I talk to training staff in the Canucks locker room, who claimed that after linden as captain, communication broke down from the top players down. That's what I've been told. Take it or leave it. After captain linden, Vancouver had terrible leaders who didn't communicate with the confidence that captains need

[@captnmaim]

I’d like to see a video on nhl players that hold records due to the no cap era and stacked teams

[@ortonjr82]

Sooo...gretzky

[@captnmaim]

@@ortonjr82 there’s gotta be more right? He’s just the most prominent.

[@proceid6709]

Shea Webers leadership wasn’t the reason why we came back against the leafs or even made the finals… Carey Price was 😂💀

[@isaacwest276]

To be fair, Pronger is an incredible leader. Look what he did in one season with the Oilers

[@MyMW3Channel]

You'll often get flack if you're not Corporate's designates leader, but everyone else looks to you as a leader.

[@austinm9393]

Good vid

[@charlie9ine]

Being inside the Niedermayer family, Scott did not miss most of the regular season because of any injury. He was seriously considering retirement.

[@krog21]

It's amazing how much a little research would improve videos like these.

[@andrewdavis7620]

the notion that weber was statistically worse than subban at the time of the trade is blatantly and objectively false, in a one for one weber even as the older player had more trade value. goals and assists are cool but theyre defensemen and weber is twice as good as subban defensively, no amount of points will offset that

[@noahrussell328]

Carry price put the Habs on his back it was crazy

[@spence6846]

Can we do a 90s version of players that had the most penalty minutes in that area?

[@sebastienhamelbourdeau9009]

For Niedermayer be careful because Chris Pronger was joining the Ducks right after having been traded to edmonton and lost in the 2006 scf