Ni: Stacking abstract observations

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[@aniokay]

I just had a thought (posted before I saw the video): Ni users filters out details in order to see the superstructures. Details mess up the overview of the superstructures, because details make a case unique - so Ni scrapes away all the details in order to be able to see the superstructures and general tendencies. Therefore, top-Ni-users wish to remove themselves from "the every day nitty gritty details" in order to focus on the more important universal insights. This is the same quest as monks and nuns have been up to - and that is why it is so hard for Ni-people to "integrate".

[@aniokay]

You could argue that this is the case for all intuitives - and it probably is on a broader scale. Ni-doms are just extreme versions of it. Because they HAVE to find the underlying truths (maybe infj in particular).

[@empiricus2211]

This feels incredibly right

[@cory99998]

Good point, in my brain if the pattern is useful 90% of the time then clearly theres something to it and it has value. But at the same time subconsciously you're aware that theres more complexity buried here in that 10%

[@guernica5413]

My gosh, this is one of the best videos that I ever saw explaining Ni

[@einsame_Maria]

Dear Ni Saviour people, I recommend you go and listen to a Finnish band called Poets of the Fall. The lyrics are just a toy shop for analysing. They are full of metaphors and some are just one expanded metaphor. And the music is phenomenal. My personal recommendations: Clevermind Carnival of Rust Moments before the storm Skin Dying to Live

[@elcononamethon2157]

Ni saviour? Try something new? Nahhhh

[@einsame_Maria]

@@elcononamethon2157 hahahah touche

[@lisaia7877]

Ohhh I love them 😍 listener to them for awhile now. great suggestion!

[@xXSakuraTearsXx]

Shaheen OfAncapistan, I’m Ni Savior & I had just read this thinking hmm interesting but then I was like ugh about actually going & checking them out & stuff. lol _I feel called out._

[@DaCodesMan]

I also recommend The Ocean Collective if you like Prog/Metal

[@dianaleestudio]

I've been working on toning down my Ni and trying to build new good habits of checking my Se. After 6 progressive months, my friend wanted to build a habit similar to mine. I told him he needs to start with baby steps; like STUPID easy steps. He insisted he can just start where I'm at. Because of what I've learned in the past (Ni), I knew that was the best advice for him AND that he won't take it unless he experiences it himself. A month later, I ask him about the habit and he totally blew it. I tell him the same thing I told him the first time of taking baby steps. He took the advice this time and he's two weeks into his new habit.

[@dianaleestudio]

Death To Diaper Ghouls He simply didn't keep up with the habit at all.

[@dianaleestudio]

Miss reign I made a checklist of all my trouble areas in Se like checking bank accounts, other finances, amount of exercises, cleaning routines, reading amounts, taking supplements, routines for work, etc.

[@dianaleestudio]

Miss reign I had to make a decision about that, because small talk increases my anxiety. I intentionally keep it minimum. But small talks lead to big talks, so I can't just ignore it. So, I did try to add an Fe to the list, meaning I would reach out to people I care about, checking how they're doing on a regular basis. I guess you can call that small talk? I don't know. =)

[@dday9433]

@@dianaleestudio... that sounds exhausting just reading about the process... how is that baby steps? Did you just pick one?

[@dianaleestudio]

Dy Dayton It is a lot. I started with building just a couple of those habits in the beginning. I made them easy for me to accomplish. Then as they became effortless over time, I added new habits I want to build and track. My friend was interested in building just one of those habits.

[@subtleGradient]

Yes! After reading some Carl Jung, I’ve been seeing more and more how the introverted functions are all so subjective. Si and Ni are both so very self oriented. Si can make exactly as much nonsense as Ni 🤣

[@NoraRoisin]

I'd love to look more at this myself, as well. Also the element of how De folks could vary a lot due to taking in different Tribe values/reasons...

[@fluffyclouds555]

Anecdotally this is sooo true. So often I’m like WHAT are you talking about? It’s too many details. What’s the point?

[@subtleGradient]

@Cliven Longsight Correct. "Objective" observation and decision functions are still very subjective. That's the joke. We think we're seeing things objectively, but in reality we're just fooling ourselves. But still, all the extroverted functions are focused outwards on the people and objects outside ourselves. In contrast all our subjective oriented functions only make sense with ourselves very much in the center of things

[@monsammy]

Ni is soooo subjective... Haha..

[@subtleGradient]

@@monsammy true. Si is at least half objective since it's based in Sensory. I guess Ni and Fi are the most subjective functions and Se & Te are the most objective. But I'll have to think about that some more before I can really claim that (using my subjective Ti ;)

[@treeant2741]

I LOVE the in-depth breakdown of an example in this video. It makes understanding MBTI much easier.

[@einsame_Maria]

A few years ago I was going through a time in my life when I not only was getting disillusioned about religion,but also about anything supernatural. My sister and I got into an argument, because she believed in intuition and I already had stopped. And she asked me" then how do you explain people guessing things they couldn't possibly know would happen and those things happening. Not once, not twice, but a lot of times" and that is exactly what I told her. That people just unconsciously compile lots of different patterns of situations and make guesses based on what they know happened last time in a similar situation. Our brains just do it so quickly that when asked "how do you know?" People get baffled and say "it's just a feeling" Although, I think if we spend enough time doing it and analysing, then we can learn how to track that thought back to where it began. P.s. I don't like Iron Man, but I love metaphors, so this one scene i enjoyed very much.

[@oscarl.3563]

I self-type as an Ni-dom and my intuition doesn't work like that. I just make something up that would come together even if I haven't encountered it before. So I see a baby and a big pot on a screen and I connect that a cannibal is gonna cook the baby. It's playfully connecting the parts and guessing unseen things. In a way intuition is always novel -yes it's always novel, the past does not really exist from my POV. Then there are things like empathy that may connect people from a distance and tell them things that they apparently would not be able to know.

[@alienlizardqueen8748]

Einsame M what a beautifully precise description of Ni!

[@cymbol73]

Aren't you just give an analytic overview of what intuition is though? That's not really a rebuttal to belief that it is a real thing. Also, I would disagree saying that it is based on patterns solely from the past. Intuition should be based on some facts that make up reality, of course, but it easily moves past what was and keeps building into the future, often in very complex ways that even the user isn't aware of, which is why the user and the witness can both see it as almost magical. I have made immediate judgements and said no because of what would ultimately happen based on human behaviour. I warmed my company against it, but was brushed aside. It came to pass and a senior official looked at me and said, "You tried to warn us." I just shrugged. Didn't matter, just time to fix it now. But my prediction needed so many variable human interactions and behaviours on many levels that were pretty wild to predict with any certainty. How I knew immediately and was so certain is a mystery to me as well, but as soon as the guy announced the decision I yelled, NO! Made the guy next to me jump. I already knew (obviously, just a hunch), but to me, in my mind, I already knew. That said, I believe in having verifiable data. Believe you can read people via intuition and know motivations and intentions? Great. Now go learn body language and micro expressions to help verify what you are picking up... as an example. Fun stuff. :)

[@alienlizardqueen8748]

Cliven Longsight In the example given, the impression related is metaphorical, not illogical. Also, impressions are sensory, and thus inherently conscious (albeit without language :) Also... INTJ, no?

[@alienlizardqueen8748]

Cliven Longsight Guess I’m the outlier, then! As an ESTP, I never think in words unless communicating (in which case it’s “translation”). I’ve noticed that -NFJs (my same functions) seem to think in words and I wonder if it’s a matter of objective vs subjective reasoning.

[@Enlightenation]

4:28 Dave, you are totally right in the middle of doing the exact thing you are describing. Love you!

[@JoeLaFigue]

As an Ne dom, I gotta hate those savior Ni people who won't let me bullshit my way through them... And be right about my intentions every goddamn time.

[@jeffreysherman8224]

Mwahahahahahaa! 😉 (INFJ)

[@PragmaticOptimist]

PLEASE PLEASE DO A TYPING VIDEO OF BOJACK HORSEMAN CHARACTERS!!!!!! Its such a great show and nowadays when I watch it (re - watch it for the 5th time) I always debate myself on the characters type!!! If you could watch it and do a full analysis it would be so amazing!!! Or just a quick video, anything.

[@ANON1NE]

So If Si is a 10 part documentary of world war 1 battle of Verdun. Ni is like Game of thrones or lord of the rings.

[@TheNightsway]

This is a pretty good example of N stacking in itself

[@cymbol73]

We know how crazy we sound, that's why we tend not to tell people our thoughts. Can't say how many times early in my career I said we shouldn't do something and was told I what I just said was stupid, only to have it come true. This comment isn't to say that all NI projections will come true or not (they don't), but rather to comment on why we as NI lead can sometimes come to understand that some people honestly can't understand our thoughts and see us as something strange, and I'd probably agree with them, but wouldn't choose to give up the thoughts and deep conversations this can deliver in one's life.

[@fluffyclouds555]

cymbol73 I agree with you. I think if we want to develop, we can improve on this. I’m an Ni in a sensors’ world both at home and at work. I’ve found that it’s really necessary to first contemplate why I think a certain way & retrace my steps in getting there before I open my mouth. Otherwise I come off in unintended ways & my value isn’t seen.

[@Terrazona929]

I don’t like abstract metaphors-well except fairy tales and original Star Wars. I want people to say what they mean and mean what they say. I’m not Ni.

[@emilypiens2355]

you may say you don't like to eat candy but once a eat one you'll eat the whole bag ^^

[@jeffreysherman8224]

That's a real problem I have with the way we think versus the way others do. *We DO say what we mean and mean what we say!* We're very particular about the input we give others, but if they're too dense, they still won't understand. Some people only consider what is sensory to be factual. That's not reality. I like these typology vids because they highlight how we're fundamentally thinking differently, and hopefully it can help us stop missing each other in our communication. (INFJ)

[@jeffreysherman8224]

@@emilypiens2355 Nice!

[@ibanezmonsterg]

I think it's that we just jump straight to the point out of impatience more than anything, so being five steps ahead of people instead of the spot where people expect us to be may be confusing.

[@oscarl.3563]

Intuition is not a barrier to people saying what they mean or meaning what they say. Your sentiment is a masculine one.

[@adielwilson8749]

When they said Ti I thought they meant the rapper and U don't know me started playing in my head

[@someonerandom713]

I recently got to know an INTJ (Looks like Dave, really seems Ni/Fi-SB/P) who I first assumed was an ENTP. The guy is super argumentative. And whatever he'd been told, he'd twist around abstractly to fit his argument. That is what ENTPs do with their Ne. But after a while, it was noticable that he would always spin everything in the same direction, wheras an Ne user wouldn't. And his Te (which comes across masculine) has him talking really fast, as well, like some smartass ENTP.

[@someonerandom713]

@Tommy Hass Meh, not really. Maybe surface level, like the guy I met.

[@someonerandom713]

@Tommy Hass Is that "mainstream MBTI" though? ;\

[@NoraRoisin]

This is very helpful for me to start understanding Ni in real people. I wanted for so long to really know what Ni is like/what it does... how to SPOT it out in the wild!

[@oscarl.3563]

Try Joyce Meng on Male ENFP's or Binyamin's channel. She tell a ton of metaphors or whatever you'd call it and that's the cue for high Ni. Always trying to explain things with concepts or quintessential-ness. I hear Eminem is another one.

[@fluffyclouds555]

Going off on many tangents. That’s us

[@fluffyclouds555]

Cliven Longsight true. I dumbed it down too far I admit. I guess that is an unhealthy example. I am Ni working to improve. My experience is that not everyone has the patience to stick around for me to get to the main point. And I always do have one 😀 those who really don’t get abstract thought process will have that criticism I think

[@fluffyclouds555]

Cliven Longsight Cliven Longsight I’m definitely not Ne. it’s not that fun to be placed in the box you have constructed in order to get me. You’re coming off like you’re the expert on others. It’s a little much. Maybe you’re not aware. Now you are.

[@PierrickYAH]

I didn't understand what was the point of the GTA footage. Very funny tho

[@einsame_Maria]

I think the point was to f with the sensors, who are going to notice that this is not any bts footage, to f the T users, who are going to call out the fact that this is not from the movie and how dare he say it is, to f with all the F people, who are going to cry in the comment section "too soon" or "how dare you make me remember Tony stark😭" and finally, for the Ni folk, to build on the first metaphor about the bleeding God Iron Man and his FALL FROM GRACE.

[@jeffreysherman8224]

@@einsame_Maria So basically Dave is like, "F*** Everybody! F the world!"

[@soufianechbani1922]

Wesh t'es partout pierrick

[@einsame_Maria]

@@jeffreysherman8224 I don't know if it's the conspiracy theorist in me speaking, but i think he does that on purpose, because some things just make people comment, and comments are engagement, which in KZbin world means your videos get monetized and what's more important - recommended. That is why youtubers always ask questions and ask their audience to comment down below. Once Brad Mondo made a video on Simply Nailogical and kept calling her simply Snailogical. Which was ridiculous. And everyone kept commenting how wrong he was, his video trended for a few days because of it.

[@PierrickYAH]

@@soufianechbani1922 Bien sûr

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

As with all things, context is necessary. Like they say in the general's proverb, "No plan survives contact with the enemy." An Ni formula for a given situation requires variables to be plugged in, in addition to all the known constants; even then, my less pleasant experiences tell me that there can be a slot for a variable that one could not even think about putting in. It's crazy. The solution? Think on your feet - beef up that Se quick-thinking muscle. These Se-savior types humble me with their relentless wit, so I for one can't really call them "meatheads" or "impulsive" as often as some do.

[@dday9433]

I just married well to compensate for that. (Lol). My spouse keeps details and logic at the forefront (lead Ti, I think) so I know if my pattern recognition passes my spouse's scrutiny, it'll stand up to just about anyone's.

[@Terrazona929]

I think Jesus was an Ni savior... 😄

[@randomtraveler8594]

Definitely. Ni/Fe

[@TheNightsway]

here's a theory for you. What if he was Se saviour. Hear me out. How many Ni's have ever existed? A helluva lot, right? How many prophets are there? Not many, dawg. Seems like there should be a lot more prophets. Or maybe there was something exceptional about Jesus:- What if Jesus was prophetic because he was one of the few people that truly incorporated his shadow, as an Se?

[@randomtraveler8594]

@@TheNightsway So essentially, you mean someone who could balance out their Ni and Se? I see what you mean, but I think he'd still be an Ni with how he talks. In parables (so abstractions all the time), among other things. But I hear you. Perhaps, on the flipside, he's an Ni saviour who truly incorporated Se? He made sure that his patterns of the world makes sense in the real world.

[@TheNightsway]

@@randomtraveler8594 I wasn't truly making the case in earnest btw, was just an interesting idea. I do agree in reality, Jesus was quite certainly Ni

[@randomtraveler8594]

@@TheNightsway Honestly I just liked entertaining the other side of the argument. It was great. Thanks for the chance

[@teamthoth]

Side note. I like your hair lady

[@fluffyclouds555]

Mr. 8-Bit Doggo I agree with this nonsense completely. 🤔

[@adamwesselinoff126]

Objective Personality is ostensibly an empirical approach ('start with the Se facts not the Ni concepts') to personality typing, something that used to be dominated by purely subjective attempts at typing. So there is naturally going to be an empirical (Se/Si) bias baked into Dave and Shan's findings. Wouldn't there need to be some kind of control to make sure this doesn't poison the results against intuition? This is the problem with empiricism - while it claims neutrality at the epistemic level, it actually privileges the relative fact (S) over the essential logical truth (Ti/Te, eg rationalism) or the spiritual/creative (Ni/Ne). And this isn't just more Ni bullshit - anyone who has studied philosophy knows this is just the standard critique of empiricism from people like Edmund Husserl etc. I also don't understand how Dave and Shan can claim their system is 'objective' in any scientific sense when it essentially builds on and refines the Ni discoveries of Carl Jung. Who's to say he was right with his four functions? Surely the more Se/empirical way to go would have been to just chart behavioural and linguistic coins and then develop your own heuristics and language to describe what the data says. Instead we get this mixture of 'science' - ie. operators using a checklist - covered in plenty of Ni woo - hero's journey, self-actualisation, 'saviours and demons'... I'm a fan of the channel, but if you're going to dunk on Ni users constantly at least don't pretend like your system is empirical beyond the level of methodology. It is just as Ni fluffy underneath as CS Joseph or Erik or any of the others.

[@adamwesselinoff126]

@Tommy Hass I think you might have missed the point of my original comment, which was to say that despite the obvious validity of the methodology in compiling remarkable phenomena, neither the starting point nor the analysis are in any sense 'objective'. And one of the 'subjective' biases is Dave's own (Fi) major dislike and disrespect for lead Ni users, of which he is ostensibly one. What's all that about?

[@ryryhc]

So in your opinion, are you saying their is no way of objectively tracking personality? I'm just trying to understand your POV.

[@mappsanchez]

Excellent comment, Adam. :-)

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

@@adamwesselinoff126 I agree on the idea that OB is not objective at all. I dislike it too that they claim this. However, I do not think they actually dislike NI at all. In some somehwat recent interview on another channel Dave said that some videos are meant to break the overly popular image of certain types and functions and to praise other functions in order to sort of 'even it out' their popularity. If Ni is praised all day like on pretty much any other typology channel, I think they are afraid that everyone wants to be an NI dom and no one wants to be an S dom (for example). So despite them seeming coming across as spontanious in these videos, I think they are really not at all. It's way more purpusfully scripted with a clear goal/agenda in mind.

[@YesJellyfish]

Hi I know this comment is mega old, but in case you ever see this, I think you missed some things. Empirical approaches can be inductive or deductive. Scientific research is generally deductive, meaning there is a hypotheses and it is tested by collecting data. That has to be the most Ni-Se thing I've ever heard of. Determining and proving the hypotheses (or debunking the null) is Ni and collecting observations is Se. So they determined a bunch of theory (hypotheses) and they're collecting data (typing people) to see if it can be debunked. Their coin system is very binary en mutually exclusive, so it is built to be null tested imo. Also considering extrovert functions are more objective than introvert and observers are more objective than deciders, Se would be most objective. Lastly, being objective is not necessarily better than not being objective. It just works well for generic systems, but it doesn't mean that of they claim objectivity, that their system is more valuable in all situations. Just has specific benifits such as scalability and easy replication. Whay do you think?

[@nishbrown]

The echo chamber is the Bane of the Ni.

[@dylonias]

Really? The same info over and over again sounds like it would be up their alley.

[@dday9433]

No. It is NOT about "prediction" of facts or the future, damn it! That is not the point. Patterns ARE TRUTHS... on a archetypal level... universal truths that must be expressed with metaphors and analogies because the ideas are large and feel "bigger" than sensory facts/details.

[@JoshIsMaximum]

That's how it is to us, but imagine how useless these "truths" would be to a culture of people who don't value Intuition and instead rely on Sensory? Also, the problem with Intuition by my estimation, is that its extremely personal: Archetypes? Jung -> Christian -> Monotheistic -> Etc / You can easily find HUGE swathes of people who find your extremely deep and meaningful truth absolutely useless. Truth needs the universal sometimes, sure. But it also needs to factual sometimes too. Completely abstract truths are so unlikely to be universal its actually kind of insane. Because people are not universal.

[@emmanueljuniorderecho4445]

Wth are you talking about?

[@emmanueljuniorderecho4445]

Please give me an example of an abstract truth that is universal

[@dday9433]

@@emmanueljuniorderecho4445. Sure.... truth: if you can identify and understand a person's motivations, you can "predict" their action. Take a look at advertising to see this in action in the "real" world.

[@dday9433]

@@JoshIsMaximum I disagree in part. I think people ARE people... I believe there are universal truths in how/why people make the decisions they do... IMO, that's why stories (even ancient ones), fables, mythology, literature still resonate with people today.

[@BiblicallyHandle]

I find it hard to see my savior Ni in a positive light. I’ve been working on my Demon Se and find it pleasurable in low pressure situations.

[@brooklinnratto8315]

Does anyone else love the lady's smile on the right o.o A chalice of white wine :0

[@dawnriddler]

"Not saying their Ni prophecies come true, they usually don't", will this stop my brain from making a billion of crazy shit scenarios in order to make me prepared for one single task, nope, no it won't.

[@MithraSemiramis]

give me ambiguity or give me something else! -dom Ni

[@ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER]

His short speech seems absolutely normal to me. So I guess I am an INTJ then...

[@hunpo1]

The truth is that if you don't understand something in the abstract, you don't understand it at all. The truth is that if you don't understand something in the sensory, you don't understand it at all. Either of these can be true in a single instance, or both can be true simultaneously.

[@anxietyartist8020]

So you’re talking about a metaphor? For like 7 minutes?

[@Tvp247]

My Ni says yall are painful.

[@Tvp247]

@Tommy Hass offended much

[@Tvp247]

@Tommy Hass fuck off

[@TheNightsway]

They're not painful. The image you have in your mind of them is painful. So the pain you feel is within yourself - not within them. Your own psyche is painful to yourself. You are painful.

[@oscarl.3563]

If you can make God bleed then people will believe in Him. Sensors will believe in Him...

[@JoshIsMaximum]

Some believe god incarnated into human form to do just that... And to top it off he was like, "don't worry about it, we're cool" lol

[@South_Heat]

Lol 😊I got it Oscar L.

[@endgamez7621]

uno what at least he exists in that sense but then why would God bleed, like logically?- ISTP

[@ohgodimdead]

This describes my INFJ girlfriend... occasional fits of paranoid connections and rebellious against facts. But in her immediate environment she’s usually very observant and recalls a lot, and can be very aware and focused, so it always throws me cause that looks like higher Se.

[@josehenriquefs888]

Maybe her Se is masculine,I think that would explain her detailed memory. If she's really INFJ

[@ohgodimdead]

Tommy Hass Nope, “nice” is nowhere near the first word I’d use to describe her. Definitely thinks in abstract over concrete, intuitive over sensory and in a personal self-view “introverted” kinda paranoid way. General fear of future/unknown. Very private/concerned about being observed and doesn’t like making friends, but on the other hand great at giving advice and relating... but really lost on herself. Very decisive and forceful and strict rules based, sometimes think INTJ. Stuff like that.

[@ohgodimdead]

José Henrique Ferreira de Sousa Maybe, interested in the obj pers evaluation once the 60 day wait is over... lol

[@handreieiacasa]

Great video but I Didn't understand the meaning of last clip

[@handreieiacasa]

@@tripalon3 right I didn't listen carefully to the first part, thank you

[@Deanna_Marie_]

Yes thank you 🤣

[@Elimbi1]

what you say about savior Ni and not incorporating enough sensing into it. is way more true for entj/enfjs than for infjs/intjs since they have si as their blindspot!

[@JoshIsMaximum]

Wow, I wish I was more than one type like you so I could personally know the experience of more than one MBTI type! /jealous But seriously I don't think the main point of conversation should be which "wishy washy" MBTI has it worse/better than another. Ni is awesome, lets all learn more about it!

[@TheNightsway]

PoLR problems are more significant than main demon problems, but they're more nuanced and specific - not life-pattern-defining. So I disagree. ENxJs still have Se to balance the Ni, whereas INxJs are far more likely to abuse both Se and Si unless paying proper attention to it.

[@Elimbi1]

@@JoshIsMaximum I never stated that one type has it better or that I'm more than one types and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. I didn't say enfjs/entjs are better or worse I'm just saying that the second function is prone to suboptimal use compared to the first function. This goes for every type and that's how blindspots (PoLr) are created. For example in my case (Enfp) my second function Fi, which translates into a value/feeling based judgment is what I tend to use in every in almost every situation even situations which don't warrant Fi. But this leads to me not using Ti which is a non values based judgment tool. That's what they refer to as a blind spot/ PoLr function in the mbti community. That's neither good or bad, it just is. (P.S having a blind spot has disadvantages AND advantages)

[@Elimbi1]

@@TheNightsway are you sure that PoLR problems aren't life defining? I definitely do agree that there are some workarounds to the PoLr with the first 4 functions stacks as you mentioned but I believe that unlike the demon function the PoLR function is something that is way harder to get "conscious" access to opposed to the demon function which is actually quiet cultivated but just not appreciated by the user unless it's in the service of the dominant function.

[@JoshIsMaximum]

@@Elimbi1 Thanks for clarifying! What's the blindspot for an INFJ? I guess if I'm being honest I felt a little personally attacked by your initial comment. How dare you take my Intuition! Its the only thing I have! I apologize for seeming off kilter. I'm genuinely curious about all this and your insights are helpful so thank you.

[@ibanezmonsterg]

I wonder if the ability to use Ni is directly related to IQ. It may be that many smart people prefer to use other functions as their saviors, though, for whatever reason... since it's organizing patterns, it probably requires the most brainpower out of all of the functions, generally speaking.

[@fluffyclouds555]

ibanezmonsterg it’s probably why we get so exhausted & drained easily. I am absorbing everything all the time

[@SantiagoRodriguez-fe6ng]

@@jellyfishi_ evolution as a systematic process made humans better. If you add communities to the equation u get people that fit together as a hole. Another explanation would be that mbti types are just a reflection of what u feel responsible for, and that is sth u learn through life. You see what lacks in your life and do things to feel the blanks. So you start becoming what you think your surroundings need.

[@SantiagoRodriguez-fe6ng]

@@jellyfishi_ about everything above u mentioning god, yeah totally agree A fellow Ni user (INFJ BS/P(C)) (9w1 so)

[@Overt_Erre]

Frankly i wonder if you guys can really type people accurately. I'm not doubting, just wondering. Most Ni primaries will never engage in easygoing analogies in my experience. The INFJ will constantly try to "act natural" while asking a ton of questions to figure everyone out before starting to carefully dispense advice. How do you know that they really are making intuitive connections instead of basing it on personal experience? That's how i found out my INFJ male acquaintance: by realizing his off-hand advice was advice a person three times his age would give. As if his wealth of life experience was immeasurable. That's because a primary Ni is living those experiences in their mind all the time. Imagining how things can be, will be, should be. The advice he dispensed was based on his constant reflections, not experience. And for INTJ? I think it would be natural for an INTJ to be typing you as you try to type them, if you can even get them to go through that in the first place. When an INTJ knows they're being typed, they cannot help trying to control what they think the person typing them is perceiving. "This person typing me is asking me whether i am comfortable in social situations. My answer will likely influence how they think my affinity to Fe is. I don't participate in many social activities, however i have taught myself to enjoy a number of them because it is so beneficial, so what would the best answer be?"

[@worldwidehappiness]

I wonder if Charles Manson was Ni? Has some of the characteristics. But he seemed to like chaos rather than fearing it.

[@ashutoshkaushal8657]

Okay the more I watch your vids the more I realize i am understanding why people won't get what I am saying that easily XD I do this Ni trick whole fuckin day XD

[@ErnolDawnbringer]

Imagine being Ti-Ni

[@johnniedilangcruz9287]

Once the east met his west, They churned the ocean of milk, Cubs mirrored themselves of that reflection, Gathering pullers on both sides That rising figure bigger as 'tis spoken. Ni user here. Prophets exist though. xD lol

[@nb9797]

Isn't this like Ne? ie. connecting abstract ideas / pattern recognition?

[@andreweadie3206]

The difference is that Ne is not building concepts on there ideas and connections but just finding /noticing them.

[@jeffreysherman8224]

What you describe is Ni. Ne doesn't so that. They hate i-! umm... They rather dislike it.

[@einsame_Maria]

I guess in this comment section there are going to be a lot of Ni Saviour people. I have a question for you, a question I used to ask everyone I know. What does falling in love feels like? (Yes, I have my own answer prepared, I came up with it when I was 14, after watching a movie called "Music from the other room", but I want to hear what Ni Saviour people are going to say. Because almost everyone I asked had very simple answers)

[@oscarl.3563]

It's one of those things which cannot be explained in words. A short answer wouldn't explain it all and a long one would miss the mark. Nevertheless, in a made-up word: _blessed-turmoil._

[@heatherbryant4197]

I'm not saviour Ni (depending on who you ask lol) but I'll still answer. From an early age, I recognized that people often seemed to confuse both lust and infatuation with love, but (and maybe this is more typical for Ti types) it's a lot easier for me to describe what something isn't than what it is. Actually, I'd say "love" and "falling in love" refer to two different things, but in either context, even after you've experienced it yourself it can be hard to explain. There are many feelings that could mean you're falling in love but could also potentially mean something else slightly different. So for the purposes of correctly identifying a feeling and its implications, just as when doctors use differential diagnosis to ensure they're correctly identifying a disease (I know, such a sentimental metaphor, lol, just bear with me), signs and symptoms that are unique to one condition but not another become determinant factors, so too with defining nebulous feelings do unique, differentiating "symptoms" become important. From my experience, one of the equivalents to the pathognomonic-symptom for falling in love is that strange feeling like someone put a spell on you. You can admire, cherish, or glorify someone and this could be many things besides love. You can lust after someone for reasons other than love. But when you really do fall in love, you get this weird meta-awareness that you're no longer really in control of yourself anymore. It's as if you're tethered to this person by forces unseen. And it's funny to me how so many people end up using that exact same phrase; "it's like someone put a spell on me." Obviously, the idea of a spell is rather superstitious, but it's the primitive feeling evoked that's important. Those are just my observations from a few decades on this planet, but I definitely don't fall in love easily -- not sure if that makes me more or less reliable as a narrator.

[@samsschool3639]

05:00 as long as there is that new flow of Se comming in is the best and now that I think abou it right on the money!

[@parano6333]

Thats definitely me focusing only on my stories forgetting the Se changing

[@stantonstephens]

OK, so i am confused. I think I am a true xNTJ but I exhibit attitudes that reflect all xNxx functions. I don't particularly fall so neat into a single type yet I want to improve and be cool with social behaviors. Out of everything I can't seem to talk to people in a language they all like (others say I come across condescending and cold) yet, I can laugh and make small talk. I hold myself to an extremely high integrity and trustworthiness. I can easily be broken if the right condition comes up. I am also attuned to my surroundings at all time with no issues. I can be emotionally extroverted and introverted. I took a defeating crushing blow to myself and wound up homeless, i made a great number of mistakes and it finally caught up to me and bit me in the arse. however, during that time I refused to give up. I went to college, again, and couldn't bring myself to live like a homeless person. I can't commit crime my mental blocks prevent that on top of having mental blocks from scavenging for metals to recycle to buy food or beg for food. if you guys can perhaps help resolve and find the under-liar i can kick my intuition to focus on that with ease, its just i have lived so complex i am blind to what really is my true faults and where i need to improve to gain stability finally. i do have a super in-depth knowledge and resources to my disposal, i even have the ability to break apart and put back together multiple scenarios theories and problems simultaneously. if you guys can help me find it i would forever be grateful. i am begging for help, the homelessness that i experienced proved something isnt right and i have tried to improve but the results are extremely mixed and varied. I have the ambitions that prove i can be a great person but my personality my biological imbalances (ADHD, ODD) and environmental onset of anxiety with anti-Social tendency interfere in finding why i have such instability while I continue to fight and want to live.

[@wannabehuman]

If you could make god bleed, then god would be real, and I would probably be going to hell for heresy.

[@nicholassmith7473]

ISTP married to ENFP your sympathies here*** 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jam-kk2yc]

What if you add the details because the details are required or are helpful?

[@namesranout]

I enjoy Ni but concepts or ideas but it’s something that developed after Ti and Si. Yes not knowing where it ‘fits’ in relation to known knowledge does it go here in art or there. Reading about concepts may even frustrate or confuse. An idea / concept isn’t just random water ceases to be water once it becomes ice. While it’s fact now can we be certain of consensus SE observes and Si documents Te finds out hey at 0 degrees Celsius or freezing point “water” becomes ice. This replicated. But is the understanding consistent collectively. Water becoming ice typically not a hot topic worth sharing. Why bother it’s common knowledge. NTs May share it out of condescension not necessarily to inform. Ne: how true is it though really? Who wouldn’t know this or how do we identify how far the understanding goes. Is it really common understanding? Concepts in picture form / map format. These videos are very interesting to watch. Really like impartial methodology. But even so pictures are needed. Intuition is the zoom you apply. I practice by applying asking pointless questions about the mundane. Like if you had to map out or give dimension to understanding what form would it take in SE? The 4 quadrants of mbti and binary understanding seems to be a running theme in Malaysia watching this but if anyone asked what’s your personality ‘Type’ I think “normal” would be the most common answer. However there ar ethos e who also understand mbti but rare. Internet and Menes are very intuitive. When someone says so I have to spell it out for you? I usually ask for a picture as jab to self and reset the tension if Ti and Si was trying abit to hard to shove a rug into a bookshelf. Had an infp friend explain why and then they picked up pen and paper to draw. 👍

[@thoughtforfood6854]

When I first saw the "if you could make god bleed" scene or whenever I gather similar similar diatribes from media or on the street, at work etc., I just presume people that voice such ungrounded ideas as if they were facts, are mentally ill at a magnitude greater than all of the rest of us are mentally ill. I had an uncle like this; people would say he's prophetic, he's so intelligent, but I would just think to myself that he has a personality adjustment disorder of some kind that is debilitating for him, occluding the possibility of making lasting friends or other relationships like employment.

[@MrPolik890]

@Cliven Longsight Well stated.

[@dday9433]

"Ungrounded ideas"? Lol. Wow. Not really laughing AT you... seriously... just marveling (and shuddering a bit) at the strict delineation and apparent closure that must exist in your world.

[@thoughtforfood6854]

@@dday9433 You’ve hit the mark. A 40 year career in sciences probably reinforces whatever Objective Personality temperament carries me through all my days. Please understand “ungrounded” or whatever adjective I could have used is not a condemnation or dismissal of either people or ideas, but merely, as you have surmised, a delineation and a category of closure as a tool to understand and navigate. It’s my comfort zone and the only reality I perceive for now. I’ve frequently thought to myself and said to the tribe that a market-place of ideas is essential to human activities; but of course you are correct that I value people and ideas differently the further they’re removed from scientific method. Even this theory of OP that seeks to type temperaments by successively halving each of the original Myers-Briggs temperaments to yield 512 types is a system of delineations and closures; it’s only captivating to me because of increased validity as a tool for perceiving myself and others since it’s moving on a continuum toward repeatability, predictability and other qualities of science. I hope my exploration of OP will help me gain a more respectful appreciation for tribe members, their divergent perspectives, pain, fear, chaos and to become more balanced within myself at navigating the experience and seeing my own crazy. Thanks for responding! Your response sure does give me a mirror to look into as I attempt to type myself.

[@danad401]

This is VERY helpful!

[@jessicawilcox5093]

INFP here. My Savior Ni brother only speaks figuratively. Drives me nuts when he tries to explain a movie plot and provides no actual details about what happened in the movie. LOL

[@LordOfTheWhores]

Some people just want to punch god in the face

[@grahamhoover6363]

I think i am lead ni but my se is also kinda balanced😅

[@sashamotovylets1753]

This video am has finally settled it. I am an INFP. I certainly don’t do Ni.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

still an INFP?

[@DonMrLenny]

@@PowerRedBullTypology nice one

[@bozidarnikolic1042]

If I don't need to know or it wouldn't contribute to the topic, spare me details and unrelated facts. You wanna tell me the story? I don't care what colors were your socks. Need something done? Spare me useless details and how you feel about it. I have no problem listening to gibberish when a person says "Hey listen to my gibberish for a while", in any other case it's useless and I always hope people like that avoid me.

[@manmadeshining1094]

Ok I get it now why I don't get it

[@NadaAlawadhi]

Yeah I tell a lot of nonexistent Ni stories 🤣🤣

[@DemonixGamer]

Welp, that explains a lot... 😅

[@patrickhodson8715]

Me talking about math, etymology, linguistics... I’m a Ti/Ni (I think)

[@tsnevtbl]

Did you get typed?

[@tunaste]

Jesus christ, she will laugh at anything. It's good too because Dave isn't funny at all.

[@Klarpimier]

I do dat

[@vivianvennicia]

🙈🙉🙊