Niche mouse made even more niche with shape changes | Logitech G303 Wireless Shroud Review

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Hope the extra measurements part wasn't too confusing ... basically by keeping the bottom and bottom front of the mouse thin, while expanding both measurements at the top, it's made that angled side even more aggressive / slanted. So that means it's going to be harder to get a grip and less safe. Some may like it, but I've found mouse design is subtle and we only need a bit of curvature here and there to get comfortable. So personally I think they over did it and should've just done a 1:1 remake, then increased all measurements by 4.4% to get the larger size. That would've kept the angles true to the original. Great mouse, as expected from Logitech, but yeah, niche mouse became more niche I think with this. Then again, Shroud is Shroud. On its own merits, I think it's even more niche than the G303. With Shroud, maybe it's mainstream, I don't know.

[@Rezzered]

Thanks for review! I wish they had released classic wireless version of it, tried the shroud edition and of course it's good and all, but those little dimension changes sure does a great effect. My original G303 is still holding good, and have replaced switches and para-wire to it, but that wireless with USB C on the old shape would have been a game changer. Anyways, the new version was specifically made for shroud, not the fan base of G303.

[@TwistedSquid741]

Me personally I like some angles sides, but I do think that if the side are too slanted you will have trouble gripping the mouse, the key is exactly as you said, don't over do it. Anyways, great review as always. Cheers!

[@MegaMark0000]

One thing I would really appreciate from your reviews would be if you mentioned if the mouse has a G shift or hypershift feature. This is a Logitech so I know it has g shift, but for other brands it would be fantastic if you went through the software and mentioned whether or not it has the shift feature to add an extra layer f controls for all the buttons.

[@TwistedSquid741]

@@MegaMark0000 I didn't know people used those, do you mind telling me what you use that for?

[@MegaMark0000]

@@TwistedSquid741 getting more key binds in games, teamspeak voice functions, typing special lines of text and symbols, and controlling pc volume. There’s lots of stuff you can use it for. It’s very useful and I wouldn’t want a mouse without that feature. Unfortunately, it seems like only roccat, razer and Logitech have that feature.

[@BTaesthetics]

Man I miss your reviews! Love your breakdown of the size change.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Appreciate you! Glad you liked that, bit different and more in depth than normal but couldn't think of a better way to explain it.

[@Jedimastob1]

BT and RJN Collab 👀

[@HyperRoccat]

As much as it makes sense, I'm surprised no one has actually spoken about slope of the sides in reviews, so thanks for doing this, Zy. Though the new is certainly less safe than then original, I almost prefer the "emphasized" feel of the new. For me, the advantage of the G303 shape was a feeling of control in palm claw grip, like I had additional contact points with the base of my thumb on the widest points of the diamond, little finger to curl around the right side, and the slanted sides help to apply upward force. On the note of slanted sides, I know my preference here is probably unpopular, but those slanted sides just helped my feeling of control when I use the new. Still playing around with it, and I haven't fully adjusted, but this is probably my new main for small-medium hand size, aggressive palm claw. Thanks for the review!

[@yelromgnu]

What's your hand dimensions?

[@nexux9664]

this mouse is def not for small-medium size i dont know what youre smoking

[@Homvncvlvs]

@@nexux9664 it’s all preference my man, I’ve used some mice that people said would not work for small hands at all but they’ve been the most comfortable mice for me though. Then I’ve used some mice that are recommended for small hands and absolutely hated them or were super uncomfortable. It’s preference and your grip matters a ton

[@thesneakerchamp23]

One of your better reviews in awhile (to me). I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Stay on your grind, Legend.

[@yelromgnu]

Thanks for actually quantifying the changes in dimension for us.

[@MuppetteMup]

The logitech G303 was my first mouse and my favorite shape mouse i've never use. When I heard it was back, I check reviews and I order one right away, but boy, im disapointed as hell. Thanks for the great review!

[@dynastes4938]

Thank you for returning to full reviews. These videos remain amazing.

[@JVIoneyman]

I mained the OG G303 for a while and switched to the GPW/GPX because of weight/wireless. I'm now back to the G303SE. The shape is ultra niche, but if you fit that shape I think its hard to beat. The thing is, you can only really grip it one way, so you're hand never really meanders around, and is always locked in the same way every time you grab it. This is what I like about it.

[@DeejayRach0]

do you still play with his mouse ?

[@JVIoneyman]

I’ve been using the Death Adder v 3

[@Al-no2fm]

I switched to the g305 because wireless is just incredible. After finding out about this I tried my G303 again and realised how much i missed the shape especially its easy of pickup with palm/claw grip. Its effortless. LIke a glove. great review.

[@Freedomsreviews]

This is truly the first mouse from Logitech I’ve really enjoyed. As someone with larger hands, I’ve enjoyed the slightly larger changes made to it. However I would agree that I wouldn’t recommend it to most. I do prefer it over the G Pro though.

[@NormaaIi]

@@Adonis513 21x12 and it fits like a glove for me, main mouse until something else comes along

[@1Pings]

I'm 22x12 and I absolutely love this mouse. The shape seems to be either loved or hated. Luckily I'm one of the people it works for and I have never experienced this much control from a mouse.

[@biggbodyyy1018]

@@1Pings what grip style do you use with it?

[@1Pings]

@@biggbodyyy1018 finger tip.

[@wertyuiopasd6281]

Yhea. This mouse is for huge hands imo. I have small hands like RNJ and I knew it wouldn't work when I saw it.

[@DannyJoGaschler]

Finally a new version of my beloved g303 daedalus apex! I bought it instantly. For me this has the best shape of all the gaming mice i ever tested. And finally no more soldering and repairing of my old g303 which was out of stock for years. - Happy Gaming!

[@rias.flique5553]

what i realized with this mouse is that shape beats everything really.. i bought this mouse when i had my starlight 12 wanting to just try the shape as it seemed so different.. and after a few hours to a day of using it i would already beat my kovaaks/aimlabs scores.. and ingame i felt i had more control over my aim, so i must say. Its a good mouse (or just shroud aimbot built in idk)

[@DJFITME]

Same experience 100% never aimed this good. I have used over 30 different mouse and g303 wireless has been best. Already beat my every single kovaaks score so easy.

[@mire873]

Still want to try one I ended up buying another g302 because I gave my first one to one of my friends and the shape fit my hand like a glove. Stil want to give this one a try though.

[@HikaruSwift17]

My hands are too big for this mouse, but the mouse shape made it super easy to pick up because of the angled sides. Wish it was bigger.

[@shotxx]

I am Starlight 12 small user, I would try it but I have small hands and that's why it won't work for me propably. Shame that there isn't smaller version of that shape.

[@rias.flique5553]

@@shotxx Went from a starlight 12 small myself. But i get where you are coming from, size was the thing i was most worried about when trying it.

[@jrqiao1301]

I was a big fan of the original G303 and the 100 I couldn't remember the exact name. The new version takes some time to adapt and I had to adjust my grip a little bit from Superlight, because it's been so long. After I got use to it, it felt amazing.

[@Frate2112]

Having obnoxiously large hands, finding lightweight mice that hold comfortable claw grips is rough. I have bought too many mice always being left feeling unimpressed no matter how touted. I can't get down with the feel of razer mice (deathadder v2 in particular). Got the new 303 solely based on people saying the ideal claw grip mouse and that it is bigger than the original I sadly never got to test. I have been having a great experience thus far. I feel with the sensor back further it makes precision wrist movements with scopes easier to track and strangely enough there is something about the way I hold it that it somehow doesn't really feel heavier than my g pro superlight even though there is a 10 gram or so difference. Great review as always!

[@jgood3540]

Glad you're doing mice reviews again!

[@THE_REAL_CAPT3N]

I never used the original, but this mouse is an improvement for me from the gpro superlight. Gripping the mouse is very natural in a palm/claw hybrid coming from a scuffed claw on the superlight. My aim is steadier/more consistent and my hand is more comfortable. I think this mouse will actually have a higher skill ceiling for me than others I've used. I'm already meeting or surpassing previous standards without having had it very long and how steady/consistent it is out the gate is promising. I don't like the scroll wheel though. Prefer the superlight scroll wheel. Also the clicks are pretty unique and the battery life is absolutely insane.

[@Fesititi]

I bought this mouse because my gpro felt slightly too small and caused handpains which lead me to constantly readjusting my grip. The G303 felt really weird in the beginning. In kind of forced me to hold it in a certain grip that I wasn't used to. After a month with it, I don't think I can ever go back. The shape just feels perfect after I got used to it.

[@diegomireles]

The best mice reviewer on YT, I just got this mice renewed for 40 bucks. I think my hands are similar to yours (19cm L x 9cm W) My absolute favorite mouse for gaming is the Deathadder shape wise , but for one for all mouse I like ambidextrous mice (sometimes I use them with the left hand) like the g305, Pro X superlight, and now this mouse.

[@eakmadashma]

Loved the original shape so when I heard it was coming back I bought it day one. Unfortunately the new one isnt that great for me so i will be returning it, kinda disappointing for all the original 303 fans to wait so long and then have the shaped changed. All good tho, ive moved on from the 303 shape anyway but the original was such an awesome shape

[@Caution40404]

I loved the original shape too but at certain times I noticed cramps. The wireless G303 fixed the problem for me. 20x10cm hand.

[@ynnadk9859]

What did you move on to?

[@HollowRick]

@@ynnadk9859 he moved on to the Yomomma 69 it's great for claw grip and flick shots

[@NNG_yt]

@@Caution40404 did u feel u needed the shape to be a bit smaller, even the tiniest bit or any design changes u personally wanted, like any small details, and what weight did u prefer it to be in like, thanks alot in advance

[@Caution40404]

@@NNG_yt Heya. I love the changes on the G303 SE except the increased width. I believe the extra width made it feel fatter and not as comfortable. Otherwise, the length and height changes were amazing and appreciated. For weight, I prefer around 65g. I modded my G303 SE by replacing the battery with a smaller one which gave me 66g total weight. BeardedBob has a video on it.

[@ojooioio]

Awesome breakdown of the mouse. It convinced me to purchase the mouse and I've been enjoying it since.

[@nofreenamestoreg]

Was waiting for that review, thanks! Great as usual.

[@remshi.]

Great review; I've been saying for awhile that the shape changes made to the Shroud G303 are actually more alienating than inclusive. Granted, I have very small hands and the Shroud G303 is noticeably too big for me, so I'm a bit biased. But I have used so many mice of varying sizes in the past, and none have ever felt too big the way the Shroud G303 does. And I have never seen so many people complain about the size of a mouse before. I have a custom PMM G303 wireless now that is much closer to the original shape, and I like it so much more. It fits me like a glove and is basically my dream mouse. I'm really saddened that Logitech made such drastic changes to the OG shape; here's hoping they eventually release a G303 "mini" that is more like the original...

[@x.kitsune]

My review for people who liked the old G303 with small hands.. For reference I've got 16cm x 8.5cm small girl hands (width is measured as the widest part of my hand including my thumb) Personally, I loved the old g303. It was my main for a long time and I still have it to compare to but the new shroud edition just feels massive in comparison. I know it's only a few mm's difference, but that makes it a deal breaker for me. I use a mostly fingertip grip style so I definitely can't have a mouse this wide that also has a large hump towards the back. I feel like right where I grip the mouse is at it's widest part so it forces me to either fully palm the mouse or like half-claw it but then my fingers sit pretty far back on the triggers in claw. I think this is also because of the added length I can't hold the mouse in the preferred position which is just in front of the angular shape where it juts out. I currently use a Viper Ultimate and even though it seems like a much larger mouse side by side the fact that it's low in the back and narrow allows me to to still fingertip grip it properly because the flat-ness allows me to "choke up" on the mouse and not have the back of the mouse sitting in the back of my palm. Although the VU is definitely too large for me as well (my dream mouse I'm waiting for would either be a Viper Mini Ultimate or lighter g305 without the battery weight and rechargeable), the new G303 actually feels a lot larger to me in my hand. It's just the width and sharp angle that makes it feel super wide to me and I can't reach far enough forward to hit the sweet spot on the triggers of M1 & M2 even if I forced myself to change grip styles to hold this mouse in a claw grip. The biggest problem for me is probably the fact that my hands are so short length wise that I end up holding the mouse further back than most people, if I could hold it in front of where the angular shape juts out like I did on the old g303 I could probably use it fine, but it's just too wide and then add in that the back hump is pretty rounded forcing it into my palm and overall it just feels a lot more like a medium-sized mouse. So for people with hands anywhere close to mine, even within 1-1.5cms especially in length, I wouldn't waste your money on it. I have like a 20-25+ mouse collection so I'll probably just keep it for reference but it's definitely too large for me to use. I was super excited for the g303 to be revamped and relaunched but unfortunately it was a big let down because of the dimension changes. Would also say I'm disappointed in the mouse feet, they have a sharp edge instead of being rounded and for a mouse as expensive as this I feel like this is something that shouldn't be overlooked. The mouse feet definitely feel a heck of a lot slower than just the stock ones I have on my VU but they aren't broken in obviously. If I was to use this mouse I'd definitely be buying aftermarket feet. Personally not a fan of the switches either, they feel a lot heavier than I'd like but I'm pretty sure they're the standard switches that Logitech uses in most of their recent mice so if you like those then you should be fine. The pre and post travel is very tight which is nice to see. Obviously with hands this small the majority of mice are way too large for me, coupled with the fact that I use a fingertip grip and this makes the mice I can use an even smaller selection because any mouse with a larger hump at the back forces me to claw the mouse instead. I haven't found the "perfect" mouse yet and definitely haven't found a mouse in a long time that has fit my hands while also having the extra features/details I want. It feels like most small mice nowadays are "budget" mice so you have to sacrifice having a top of the line mouse for something that fits. I really was excited for this new G303 release and it was a big let down mostly just because I can't use it with how large it is now. If you're like me and waiting for a perfect top of the line small mouse, I'd skip this one and wait for something else to come out. Hope this helps, cheers.

[@Stackali]

i think the steeper slope on the side makes it better. you can grip it much better. at least thats what i have experience using it. being able to grip it more gives you more control.

[@KrazieAF]

my way of claw gripping is never really to comfortable on other mouse's so when I got this mouse and i started using it, I instantly felt the difference in comfort for me. Its pretty much perfect and after a week of using it and getting used to how fast i can be and how to control it and altering my sens in valorant a tonne... ive been performing way way better than ive ever done. I did swap out the skates for some Tiger Arcs just cuz i prefer after market skates compared to logitechs, i find i have more control with them on my mouses. strangely my sens is similar to shrouds in valorant xD, The mouse may possibly have the side affect on turning u into shroud.

[@KrazieAF]

i own quite a few mouses; Viper 8k, Zygen np01 and np01s, Outset AX, MZ1, Roccat burst Pro, Wired and wireless G-Pro, G502 and now g303Shroud. G303 shroud is my winner with Viper 8k and Np01s being tied 2nd.

[@masterninjahh]

check out the gwolves hsk. it's made for claw and fingertip grip

[@RageDaKnggGhz]

where did you find tiger arcs for this mouse?

[@timmackinnon]

It's great to see you reviewing again!

[@Karaage_]

Really wish they would just rerelease the original. They still sell the g302, have discontinued the original, and now they have this more expensive version thats slightly different? I've just been using and repairing mine when needed for the past 5+ years, but if something breaks I can't fix then I'd have to go to ebay and get a used one; luckily the price has gone down from multiple hundreds(at discontinuation) to normal prices.

[@niveke]

Thank you for making this review for us. I never tried the shape but i tool the risk even tho it's a bit expensive. Never thought that i would like this mouse so much.

[@weok-doing-things]

I have a great story with original 300 series mouse. It got an issue where LMB could start to have doubleclicks. So I contacted Logitech and they provided new mouse for me via DHL without a doubt. The icing on the cake is that they was comfortable with upgrading me to Logitech G Pro because 303 was not in production anymore. I was happy as a kid. It was done in 1 week flawlessly. They are great with that - maybe this is just me too much lucky but I love this story and both mices. Still use G Pro for Quake - good for me.

[@chinohormann]

Bummer. I was hoping it was the exact same shape as my old G303. I still really want this, though.

[@negativaura]

The lift off distance is a no go for me. Literally have to take the time to put the mouse down to use it.

[@PvtRinzler]

That’s what killed it for me. It’s 2022 and Logitech still doesn’t have option in drivers. Last Logitech mouse I buy.

[@reformedsteve283]

Honestly, out of every review I've seen you are the only one who even bothers to compare the G302 with the G303 Shroud. You convinced me all those years ago to buy the G302, and it is by far the best mouse I've ever used. Unfortunately, I've bought 3 of them in total, and they all started double clicking shortly after a year. I haven't used it in 5 years, but no mouse has ever had the same feeling. (The G303 Deadalus Apex isn't available in South East Asia, so I never got to buy that one.) Hearing that it isn't 1:1 to the old G302 is a huge bummer for me. I initially planned on getting one of these for the new year, but I guess I'll skip out on it instead. I hope this isn't the last time we'll ever see the G302's diamond back shape again. Maybe without Shroud's name attached.

[@WeasyK]

Great review. Always love watching your vids, keep on the grind.

[@SpecialOpsPepe]

Shroud went more off of what made the shape feel comfortable for him by making it wider and bulkier than what would be generally better for aiming without probably even knowing what he was doing.

[@HollowRick]

This ^

[@WayStedYou]

Yeah shroud used to use the mouse in his CS career. Thats why its the shroud edition he changed what he wanted on it.

[@wertyuiopasd6281]

Shroud played at CS tournaments using the G303 so I can tell you he just built this mouse for his hands.

[@p.e.r.c.y]

I just got mine and I absolutely love it. I'm already doing really well on FPS games. I never had or tried the original G303 but this one suits me really well.

[@p.e.r.c.y]

My hands are 19.5cm x 10cm.

[@TiTan0s]

easiest way to put it is that the top shell is wider in proportion compared top the OG version! I think its easier to pick up the mouse but not really to "aim" persay

[@TheMetaldudeX]

Back in my day RJN’s favorite mouse was the Rapoo V300 lol

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Those comfort grooves 🥰

[@HollowRick]

I remember haha I've heard the rapoo V300 comfort grooves live on in the MZ1

[@chonkusdonkus]

I'm glad they increased the angle, the original was always a bit awkward to hold with my hand size.

[@chonkusdonkus]

I'm currently using the MZ1, and would have liked it a lot more if it didn't bulge outwards on the side, and instead just had a straight angle inwards, like the g303

[@T.R.A.N.C.E]

I have tried convincing my girlfriend that smaller is better, but she is sceptical.

[@bnplayii8923]

FAN: We want G303 Logitech: Yesn't we got U

[@isuwu1804]

My thumb shines all mice plastic because i play with a half claw half relax grip. My fingers usually relax while my thumb is claw. This shape has been great for me as a small-medium hand user.

[@TParkcasual]

Was waiting for this review from ya' Rjn! I'm really glad I took the risk on this one, now its my main & feel no need to buy anymore mice. My serious Endgame, before was SuperlightX now use it as my secondary (Still a awesome mouse) I have med hands so my hand barely meet the requirement of griping this comfortably lol, thumbs just able to hit the side buttons. My grip is like a hybrid relaxed claw/finger tip so was little concerned on this unique shape, but worked out very well for me. Love how how my thumb, pinkie+ring finger just anchors it into the pocket of my palm so I get like this consistent grip every time I go to grab it. But for me, how the front aggressive tapers inwards like that made me that much more accurate & precise. Just feels like I'm really tuned in with my mouse with little effort, haven't felt this way about a mouse in a very long time. The battery & sensor is excellent too, Logitech has the best tech for mice Imo.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Good to hear you're enjoying it!

[@Jerham]

Been waiting for this!

[@spades._.]

Doubt they ever will but I hope they release a g303 wireless 1:1 even after this.

[@Frencho9]

Meh pass, what I really need as a clawer is an Endgame Gear XM1r mini or a wireless Roccat Burst Pro.

[@Pistagen]

I love it. Feeels so Good for My hand!

[@VargVikernes1488]

Hey man, I've finally got my MZ1 delivered from the Black Friday sale. I got it for $45 and I can honestly say it was an absolute steal at this price. I would say it's a no brainer must have starting from $60 and below for anyone looking for a small and lightweight mouse. Build quality is superb, as well as the main buttons with the Kailh Switches. Definitely the best wired mouse I've ever had and a contender for my all-time favorite mouse with G Pro Superlight, which I also got on sale, but almost 2 times the price of the Rail. Speaking of rails, it's my favorite design feature of the mouse. My hands are a tiny bit bigger than yours and I can't say I have any issues holding it, in fact, it's much more comfortable than my previous Viper Ultimate.

[@turboxide]

still loving this, but as someone with big hands (i just barely don’t fit on the RJN size chart) I wish it was even bigger :/

[@soulshinobi]

The measurements of the angle of the sides is exactly what I needed, I wanted a steep side angle for grip. I have smallish hands (9x18) but the shape looks very appealing to me ever since I first saw it. EDIT: just purchased it.

[@danithebest1305]

is good or no?

[@Ruteman16]

Tell us if you liked

[@danithebest1305]

@@Ruteman16 IS AN shit that mouse take the qustom symm 2 or xtrf m42

[@soulshinobi]

I have small hands like RJN, I'm 18x10cm. I like the G303 but it's a bit big, particularly towards the back. The high back pushes it out of my hand a little. I do like the angled sides, and it does help to place your fingers on the dots on the sides where Shroud puts his fingers (allegedly). It is good, buttons feel great, I like the smooth texture and heavy weight of the scroll wheel. I find myself going back to my *modified* G305 which is 77g, just 3g heavier than the G303. I do miss the aggressively tapered sides of the G303 when I do, even though they felt a bit unnatural (I think a more curved aggressive side taper would be ideal). The G303 needs new feet at least, my heavier, modified G305 (22g removed) with Tiger Arc feet is easier to move. I would still consider the G303 if you have a medium to large hand and use an arched fingertip grip, but it's awkward if you relax your palm on to it.

[@rocketracer111]

„Claw for hands 19+“ I‘ve got 18x10 and a G700 seems just big enough to me and G502 to narrow 😂 Gotta give that a try. Thanks for diving deep into the specs of this unit! The measurements are never taking so seriosly but I actually want to now these!

[@shootinstuff1079]

Just bought this mouse a couple days ago and now that I'm used to it I'm more consistent overall. It has what as missing from the other like 8 mouse I've tried. I did alot of research before getting it'd I'm pumped about the mouse. Not as big or heavy as it seems either

[@demise187]

Honestly, I only watch your reviews to see the Clan Arena gameplay. You should put out some frag compilation videos

[@p.4lvv]

I use a fingertip grip, and holy hell do I love the new g303, idk why people said fingertip is bad on this mouse, but I guess I just have a weird fingertip grip

[@SonicLegaspi]

personally my gameplay was so inconsistent with this mouse, I had to return it.. sticking with my Starlight-12

[@kaleosin7871]

The irony is the g303 was originally aimed at moba players with its button tensioning mechanism which was supposed to make spamming easier. Now fps mains are the intended demographic. I was gifted one back in the day but traded it in because of sensor rattle and wobbly mouse feet for a Sensei.

[@yous4mb4]

😂😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@WrexBF]

Those dimension changes completely ruined it for me. I returned mine after a week, and I'll keep using my OG G303 until Logitech releases another version without messing up the dimensions.

[@IMF1821]

Same

[@mohammadburaie8736]

Don't hold your breath, they probably won't.

[@TheRedeyes222]

As this review stated, I would like to stress that just because you were a fan of the original g303 doesn't mean you will like this one. I used the original g303 for 4 years, and really enjoyed it. But the dimension changes for this one were too much for me. I think the new g303 will be primarily suited for claw grip users. If you used the fingertip the old g303, there was enough room in the back to give you fine adjustments. But with the increase in the back, it sorta locks you into a claw grip usage (which isn't my personal style). That being said, if you did use claw grip with the original, you might find these changes suitable. Or if you just have larger hands in general. Great review as always Zy!

[@iiiTzXero]

My biggest issue when this mouse was announced is that Shroud himself said that it was designed for his hand.

[@totcevreauesaintru]

hello . top tier mouse . i gow it after gpw and it was an upgrade .. i love it . the shape the performance .. all gl hf

[@jforce321]

I might have been willing to give it a try if they made a wired version. I loved my g303 because of how good it was and how affordable it was at the same time. I refuse to go wireless partly because of how expensive the mice are. I always liked to stay below 50 for my mice.

[@atomaweapon]

you can keep the wire in if you want

[@jforce321]

@@atomaweapon still stupid expensive

[@SianaGearz]

You can just buy a G305 for $30 on a flash discount and they generally go for $40-$45. The $60 MSRP is pretty much not a thing, unless you want the K/DA colourway.

[@christiangaia942]

congratulations for the video. satisfy my curiosity? Is the central button of the DPI remappable to use it in game?

[@jdm7755]

I have wide hands and this is my end game mouse... i know there might be better mice out there but comfort is king and i just lock into a comfortable claw grip with this.

[@gVint100]

I’d love to see a renewed G500, was one of my favourites

[@pottyputter05]

mx518 is almost exactly the same and they refreshed it

[@alexkazanin7832]

(Sry for bad eng) off-topic, I would like to list some thoughts on the shortcomings and controversial points on the MZ1, maybe they will be interesting ... 1. The wheel is sometimes idle, mb only in the google bookmarks chrome, hz 2. With LOD 1mm, sometimes when moving, the sensor stops tracking. But it is not critical - and the paws themselves will wear off and the posture should be higher, then the mouse will be better press down. Or make an intermediate version of 1.5mm LOD - 3 modes 3. The front profile is overestimated in comparison with kinzu v1, which makes the mouse less accurate in micro movements ~ 10-30%. Should be partially fixed posture higher and moving your fingers to the very edge of the buttons, but still without physically reducing the profile, there will be a problem. How to reduce the profile - remove the diffusers, grind off the column of buttons, if at all possible, change the slope of the buttons, grind off the mouse paws, reduce the thickness of the bottom wall of the mouse I think you can easily lower the height by 3-5mm 4. I would make the right button of a different shape - most likely flat or slightly sloping at the lowest level of the current button; the index finger lies well on the left button, and the middle finger is usually on the edge of the right button, but there is an increase in the bend upward, which slows click the pressure and is not very comfortable 5. There can be problems with a damaged cable, due to which the mouse turns off, especially when the LOD is low ... 6. There are different types of button backlash. 7. The body creaks and walks a little. Go for metal? (weight reduction bonus) 8. Add a 2nd backrest closer to kinzu v1 and the possibility of simple replacement. No particular issues with current backrest, but 2nd backrest as a missed opportunity find your ideal ... And in general, give 10 pieces of models of backs that could be printed on a 3d printer and tried. 9. Add a correction click time mechanism. That is, some kind of bandage on the post, a few variant 0.1-0.05 mm or lower, which presses the microswitch, so as not to spoil the initial height 10. Hot swap microswitch...

[@DrMorrie5468]

here's my thought on the mz1(also off topic because still can't get the 303se in my region 1. my wheel doesn't idle 2. I use 2mm LOD cause the front keeps lifting when I'm playing 3. I don't have that problem(maybe i use a wrist up claw grip?) 4. Not a problem for me(claw again maybe?)but my ring finger doesn't fit too well(straight ring and pinky, ring rest on top of pinky) it sometimes goes to the edge of the rmb(maybe swapping primary and secondary button cause this issue as middle finger moves a lot more) 5. the cable are fragile, I tape 5 cm from mouse on the cable and it still disconnect sometimes when I do really fast flicks. 6. haven't tried it 7. creaks like the m4 from xtrfy. So maybe an xtrfy things? I don't know 8. You mean like the M42? that would be nice. 9. maybe a longer stem to puch the switch? The click is, for me, rebounds too little. 10. Maybe include a mouse feet first before hot swappable switch. I don't mind the current switch but hot swab would be a nice feature

[@ItzSebas1550]

If they make this shape smaller, I would get one

[@Kazanu06]

That rocket shot at 0:09 was disgusting D:

[@s0und350]

Don't use Logitech Mice if you use the scroll wheel a lot in-game. When you scroll up and down rapidy the mice can't keep up with your inputs and won't register your commands. On Warzone for example, i have Primary Weapon bound to scroll Up, and secondary weapons bound to scroll down, so when you have to suddently "cancel" a weapon swap by swiping in one direction first and then the opposite direction quickly to cancel, the mouse can't keep up with your inputs and won't register what you've asked it to do. This isn't just a defective product i have either, it happens to all of their Mice that I've tried... G403... G305... G PRO Wireless Superlight and the original G Pro Wireless, it's something about the way they're all designed. No big reviewer is bringing up this issue either which is quite annoying.

[@Fatal_Error_Gaming]

Awesome as usual @rocketjumpninja so glad to see you doing a review again. Just unboxed this baby tonight and let's just say I'm fairly surprised in the control I am getting compared to the MZ1 that is my fav. I found myself hitting a few quick scopes that I don't think I would have done before. Wasn't sure about the big skates but was also happy with that as well. Would have loved to have the option though to put smaller skates on it though. So according to the Logitech site the G303 and the Superlight have the same dimensions and the only difference is obviously the shape and weight. Is this a typo by Logitech? Interesting to say the least. Anyways, full view gladly and thumbs up Zy. Can't wait till next review. Cheers.

[@xciv5527]

no interest in the mouse but really appreciate the depth of the review all the same.

[@mikekonkola1231]

I've been trying to find my perfect mouse. I got the m42 with the middle hump its the best mouse I've used for aim so far. My hands are like 19 by 10. I don't like the clicks because I play mainly csgo and I like softer clicks for one taps but it still works. I have like a claw fingertip grip. My fingers are always curled at the front. I got a mz1 on the way I hope it will fit my grip style because it looks like your index and ring finger lay flat on it where mine are more curled but the pinky and ring are the same.

[@angelrodriguez6479]

I swear for a good minute I thought I was taking online school classes

[@itsgen8283]

I really want them to release just an updated version of the old one. The new one just feels a bit off in my hands (19 x 11.5) I really think the shape could be amazing for my grip but the new one is just a bit too tall and the top is a bit too wide.

[@ROADRAGE21]

for claw it was perfect for me I felt like I had a lot of control I paired it up with a gpz1 and I was a menace in tac fps but that’s all I could use it for it just replaced my ec2-a and I think I might go back to the ec2 since it was more comfortable anyways. my main setup for arena shooters and overwatch is still the GPX and the G640 because it still gives me that control with some speed it’s a very mobile glide with stopping power just a great combo overall. waiting on the mz1 wireless to replace it because my mz1 would be my endgame if it wasn’t for my terrible bungee usage

[@travisnelson9808]

mz1 wireless would be my endgame for fingertip as well

[@mikeyhope7577]

I think shroud made the shape to fit his hand better and be more comfortable for him without really in depth testing aim. Shroud a god, so he’ll aim fantastic no matter what he uses, but I don’t think this shape will work at all for most people. I tried it for a week and hated it.

[@Holmz84]

I get why people may not like it, but I love the shape even if the side buttons kinda suck for location.

[@Animatedron]

Had to return mine, shape was far to large for me.

[@rarinth]

me when i heard the mouse is 60% of my hand size: ILL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK

[@anthonysmith6413]

You often say it takes up to 3 weeks to get used to a mouse. After 3 days of full day use the G303 SE makes my palm touch point (same as yours: beneath little/ring finger) feel crampy. It's not cramping yet but as if it's just a matter of time. Because of this I'm now considering to change to the x superlight. Had no problems with G403 nor G203 so I guess it's this special shape that is the cause. My Gripstyle is the exact same as yours (atleast by what you said in your advanced guide) just that I have bigger hands. I think the main problem is the wider midsection of the mouse that forces my fingers to a more outside position than is natural to me. I realy want the G303 to work for me as I always wanted the OG 303 but never had the chance. So it's somewhat a dream come true. Is this just a mouse that doesn't fit the gripstyle and it's somewhat a lost cause or is it just that I need to endure the crampyness and my hand will adapt to it? Your website suggests a 305 but as I already have a 203 and I want a lighter and slightly bigger mouse the 305 is no option.

[@jefflum4040]

this doesn't surprise me this was mouse was made for shroud just with the base of the G302. this doesnt feel like it was made with out doing the Gprox in mind, it was to get shrouds brand to sell more mice and letting him make the mouse that he wanted means more then just putting his name on a Gpro like they did last year

[@bgb946]

Still haven't charge the mouse one time in three weeks and its great for claw.

[@gakuyax]

I still have my 302. I replaced the left and right click. The side buttons are fucked. It had such good sensor and shape but the buttons are sooooo bad.

[@solaeris_]

finally, i've been waiting for so long lol

[@RocketJumpNinja]

I was editing this from about 11am and just finished the upload at 1:30am, so ... being late wasn't from lack of trying. 😂

[@jpss8659]

any chance you could upload your ql config? looks pretty cool

[@massivemagnetics]

My legend

[@r8indr0p88]

Speaking of niche mouse I would love to hear your thoughts about the G-Wolves HSK I've been switching between mz1 and hsk i love them both but I am just much more consistent on the mz1 i just wanna hear your thoughts and opinions about the shape of HSK or mice without a hump for the palm in general. Could be a good topic. I like long and more detailed reviews about shape more thanks for this one 👍

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Yeah will try to get one. Thanks!

[@HollowRick]

Loved the original... But this is not what I wanted guess I'll see if they make a G305/G303 combo shape in another 6 years!

[@andrewsmith9241]

Wireless mz1 with ever so slightly less aggressive comfort grooves please

[@Quixidion]

I think, this mouse is like the Zy's rail. It is best for the shape of the one, who's mouse it is, which is Shroud. Also, the circles on the transparent part of the mouse are where Shroud puts his fingertips, so you can tell, if it is for you, if it feels good putting finger tips there.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Mouse design is subtle but also really difficult to communicate. After going through the process myself, I'm guessing Shroud would've said something like "I love the G303 shape but it just needs to be a bit bigger, and then add some extra width to it." That would explain why it isn't just a uniform increase all over and why the angles/slopes got changed. Unless Shroud has studied mice in depth (going by the clips I've seen, I think that is unlikely), he may not have known how to communicate exactly what he wanted or been aware of what his requests would actually do to the shape. And then when using it, probably assumed it was just how those changes should feel, but I think there was a miscommunication somewhere in there. Would be cool if I can somehow sit in on the convo and see if I can help them next time. But for now, I'm just going to give thoughts in videos like these. It's still good, but yeah I think it could've been better.

[@Quixidion]

@@RocketJumpNinja , agreed! Maybe contact Shroud about the mouse. Maybe he has some insight! You being a well-known mouse review might have an easy chance to get that interview with him! P.S. Great review, man, as always. Love the in-depth analysis of the mouse.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Hah I'm not that well-known, or even if I am, I doubt he would care enough to reply. I'll reach out to Logitech though and see if I can get some inside info on the concepts behind the design. Thanks!

[@Quixidion]

@@RocketJumpNinja , aight, cool! Can't wait to hear about it :D

[@WayStedYou]

@@RocketJumpNinja he used to use the 303 in his CSGO career I think logitech even gave him some when they were not made anymore after he was using the original g pro and went back to the 303

[@swasho2939]

Wasn't the point of this version of the G303 specifically molded to cater to Shroud's hand size and shape?

[@pret83]

I have the mouse for more than a week. It's not a good shape. The clicks and the sensor is very good, so I still try to get used to it, but I wish the shape was something like the roccat burst pro.

[@wool1701]

I have the OG 303, and while I've hit some of my best shots with that mouse, I always experienced hand cramp after some time using it. I ended up with the Viper Ult.

[@dannowanno5323]

Wait... so this isn't a second iteration of mz1?

[@danidingo977]

I loved the original (the best shape for my finger tip grip), still have two around... I will try this for sure. L.E. just saw the price, I'll pass

[@WrexBF]

Fingertip user here with 21x10cm hands. Don't waste your time. I returned mine after a week because of how much bigger it is compared to my OG G303, and how much more aggressive that base angle is. It's absolutely terrible for fingertip.

[@danidingo977]

@@WrexBF thank you. My hand is 20.5x9 cm and if it is too big for you it certainly is too big for me. Anyway I loved the original g303.

[@Pwasercan]

I think it's a good idea to make the sides of the mouse slope outwards, because it helps gripping it when lifting it, since it acts as a wedge. I believe mice should have top wings for this purpose. And bottom wings (like the RAT mice) to avoid friction between the fingers and the mouse pad.

[@kingslave021]

If like the viper mini using palm claw, would I like the G303?

[@meatbot.404]

Still holding out hope that they release an edition of the original shell with Shroud edition features. A very likely delusion hope lmao

[@thegreek21]

So i watched your videos religiously back in 2015 (give or take a year) and got the wired g303 daedalus apex. its been my favorite mouse ever and has recently died. im figertip style and would really like another mouse that is very similar. I love the "diamond" shape of the original 303. is this shroud version what i should get, or are there better options now? the same mouse i love is over $300 now haha. thanks!

[@RocketJumpNinja]

This is the closest but they kinda ruined it with that increased top width... I mean it's still good and close enough, so yeah probably this for diamond shape. Or you can check out the new mice, some are pretty amazing. Like the Sora V2 from Ninjutso... super light weight, similar size, good shape, etc. Or even try my design, the Xtrfy MZ1, that's what I've been using... and not just because I designed it. If you get the wireless, you can make it a similar shape to the G303 with the lower back... just doesn't have the diamond shape, but then nothing does. Also it's a bit smaller, but that's my progression... smaller and smaller, makes them easier to aim, which is what drew me to the G303 in the first place. Check the website and put in your hand measurements in the mouse search for other options! Plenty of great mice these days.

[@thegreek21]

@@RocketJumpNinja thanks Zy! Just ordered the mz1 wireless as your grip and playstyle is identical to mine. I read a lot of reviews that it has double click issues after a while. Has this been addressed with xtrfy?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

@@thegreek21 I've been hearing about double click issues on most mice for years... that's why companies started switching to optical, but they have other issues, not to mention they still haven't been able to replicate the click feel of mechanical, so... I don't think it's something that can be "addressed" as such. I use 6 MZ1s here (multiple computers) and haven't had double click issues. Still using the same copies I got when they were released. That said, I had this weird double clicking mouse wheel issue on 2 of them on my main PC recently, yet that's somehow subsided. That might've been a software or even motherboard thing... not sure, but all copies are performing normally again. If you watch my video on Double Click issues, I go over other potential factors, it's not always the metal leaf wearing out. In fact, I'd say if it's happening early, it's simply not the metal leaf. Oh and those people might have set the mouse to 2ms debounce time, which it's not made for, but the option is there because Minecraft PVP players actually WANT the double clicks. So yeah ask them what debounce setting, and just make sure yours is set to 4ms, which is the recommended setting. Hope that helps, and hope you like the mouse, let me know how it goes!

[@thegreek21]

@@RocketJumpNinja sounds good! i received it today. ill report back after i put some mileage on it. thanks for actually replying.

[@flatphrat134]

UtechSmart Venus MMO mouse is the sheeeeeeeeeet!!! =)

[@frankwolfe7614]

what they should do is make a non shroud edition with the original shape. but keep the shroud available for people who love the new version

[@southrodney]

My g303 was my main for years until it broke, just got my Shroud edition today and tbh I hate it the whole point of the original design was that it forced your hand to start wide and then narrow /\. The increased width and height forces your hand to be uncomfortably spread out in the middle. Shroud is 5'6 130 lbs while I'm 5'10 200lbs, unless Shroud has freakishly large hands for his size, I don't understand how this mouse is made for anyone except mountain people and pro sportsball players. Amazon lets you return within a month so I'll give it a chance and update if I change my mind.

[@MorvanMr]

You changed your mind??