Niche Zero | Still Worth It?!

[@eerosimoncelli1715]

At this price point, I believe this is still the best home espresso grinder option. I've owned one for about 2 years, and the only concern I've had (not mentioned in Kyle's video) is that the hinged plastic lid feels cheaper/flimsier than the rest of the device. Apart from aesthetics, this has not been a problem, but I am still expecting that at some point I will knock it (or the grinder will fall over) and it will snap off at the hinge...

[@Melkimund]

As a man whos morning routine the last weeks have been watching and rewatching diferent James Hoffman vids, getting kneedeep in coffee brewing and enjoing my own skills improvment with every cup, I clicked the subscribe button as soon as i he told me.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the sub!

[@chrisl8594]

Thanks for the video, Kyle! In my opinion, while the Niche Zero isn't the best grinder out there but at it's price point, there's really none that comes close. The workflow and user experience with the Niche is second to none. Using the Niche Zero is as simple as getting the right grind setting -> pouring your beans in -> close the lid, flip the switch -> and you have freshly grind coffee with close to zero retention and not much static. As a bonus, the dosing cup that comes with the Niche fits into your 58mm portafilter like a glove. As someone who makes latte at home daily, we all know the time and effort (end to end) it takes to make a cup of latte and the last thing you want on your end is to make a mess out of your coffee counter with coffee grinds spilling here and there. The Niche Zero literally streamlines your workflow from whole beans to having coffee ground in your portafilter. No mess, no fuss. When you start doing maintenance of your Niche Zero, you'll realise how thoughtfully and carefully designed this machine is. Definitely a grinder still worth getting in 2021. That said, am hoping to see a Niche Zero killer one day (and no, I wouldn't call the DF64 a Niche Zero killer).

[@mindtrickz]

I think what makes the niche so popular is it really doesnt have any big flaws. It grinds well, can do espresso and filter, it's not super loud, it's not plastic, it's not ridiculously expensive, it's not huge, it's not ugly (this is subjective) ... it does everything pretty well all around which is pretty rare for a good price. There also seems to be a cult following for this grinder which I think is pretty unique.

[@KyleRowsell]

Very true. It does do a lot well, and I personally appreciate that about the niche.

[@GrandStudable]

Jeez, Kyle, your video quality keeps getting better and better!!

[@KyleRowsell]

Truly appreciated

[@TheAlexRosas]

Patiently waiting for the Eureka Single Dose so I can unlock that sweet sweet flat burr flavor profile

[@KyleRowsell]

Same 👀

[@df540148]

Yeah, I love my Mignon Manuale and would like to just stick with Eureka. The Oro looks like a great upgrade in all regards.

[@markdoyle4718]

@@KyleRowsell I have the Eureka Mignon Specialita and it amazing very low retention and i use it for single dosing.

[@DavidRamseyIII]

I replaced my broken 270 with a niche and I love it. Can’t put a price on not having to look at that hideous 270 in the morning

[@DavidRamseyIII]

@Alexander Khioe 270 is tolerable and served me well other than the look. A friend bought me another one and it did break straight away but other than that people swear by them I still use its lid as a doser Get the niche if in budget though. It’s a step up across the board

[@dave2379]

Love the design, and also that it has a very small footprint on the kitchen counter. The build quality is excellent, and is super easy to clean out and re-align. I use my niche exclusively for V60 and have no problems with brews stalling using grind setting 35, consistently hitting target times within 10 seconds. Definately does depend on the technique as you stated. Just follow Hoffmanns method, and there is no problem.

[@drpetersellers]

Love my Zero, truly truly do. Def was Looking at the Lagom, but couldn’t justify the price. The issue with fines hasn’t been huge, and to be fair, I mostly use it for mocha pots and Turkish (less often for drip), neither of which are particularly “fines” sensitive. I’d love to have access to more Niche accessories, tbh. The biggest amongst them would be dosing cups w/ different diameters, but there are a whole host of accessories that’d be nice: A carrying case would be huge. Given its price point, it should come with a stirrer and/or a spray bottle. But I’d be willing to pay an extra $150 for a niche “accessory kit,” no doubt. Loved the review!

[@jordans2346]

I really like the rocky rancillio coffee grinder.. it can grind all the way from cold brew/french press to espresso and its $400. I did have one but the only reason I returned it is because it was the doser model and I prefer the doeser-less. looking to re purchase in the near future.

[@stevenr5149]

Thanks to credible reviews like Kyle's I pulled the trigger on the Niche for pour-over. Satisfaction is 10/10. I will never get tired of the soothing sound and vibration(thanks Martin and James). I don't care that there is no auto shut off because it is so quiet. I don't have to run over and turn if off because it is even quieter when it is not currently grinding. AND I never get tired of the mechanical feel of that grinder on/off switch. AND yes due to its unique shape and angle-it nicely fits in to small spaces-even a small corner(it deserves its name:).

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad to hear it!

[@MrLiguinii]

You got me excited for the upcoming Eureka single dose tank.

[@MrFinntrollin]

I got my Niche Zero in April and absolutely love it. Upgraded from an OXO Burr Grinder and it's game changing. I do daily V60 with and just ordered my first espresso machine

[@KyleRowsell]

Amazing!

[@jacksonsingletary6551]

Nice to hear. I have an OXO currently but am thinking of upgrading. V60 is good for this and espresso?

[@jdupuis4829]

Great video as always! Cheers from New Brunswick

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching 👏🏻

[@isabelbrum1210]

I'm just so pumped about the video quality! It's sooo good and it's getting better and better 👏🏼👏🏼

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah thank you! I have a new camera on the way so excited to take it one step further

[@isabelbrum1210]

@@KyleRowsell that's exciting! Hope you keep growing on KZbin. Love your content!

[@FabulousResults]

the leg up that the niche has over the alternatives is probably the design. I like the other suggestions, but niche just looks more elegant and it's easy to use. it's only got one button, and it grinds well. the production delays and price tag are definitely making me pause though

[@stevenr5149]

I hesitated for a year before I pulled the trigger. Glad I didn't wait longer.

[@dsguidolin]

Good video, I wanted a Niche but it was super hard to get in Canada so I went with Eureka Specialita. It grinds fairly quietly and is pretty quick. In terms of single dosing, I found it has fairly low retention. All that said & easy to find, it was the easy choice for me. I know you had one (watched video long ago) & you highly praised it which also help cement my purchase.

[@jeffthomas912]

Great video, Kyle. Thanks for the updated review. I received my Niche a few weeks ago and I really enjoy it. The challenge of seasoning is real but as you mentioned that’s going to be a (temporary) problem with any burr grinder. I brew primarily espresso with occasional filter coffee (80/20), so the Niche really is a great hybrid option for people who primarily brew espresso. I’m also new enough to filter coffee that I haven’t had a lot of experience with other grinders yet. I think long term I’d like to have a flat burr option for more unimodal grinds, but I don’t think there’s a better conical burr grinder option available right now.

[@KyleRowsell]

Enjoy! And thanks for the comment.

[@eccomi21]

There was almost a grinder review in my calls to action. That aside, you helped me in making an informed purchasing decision. Thank you very much ^^

[@UncleSkiBum]

Great video, I have love the Niche but I am a 270Wi owner and it's the same price as the niche and includes the built in scales which is amazing for workflow. I would add that I have a sperate grinder for my pourovers. I have had mine for 8 months and no issues so far.

[@randyhou8522]

The only thing I would change on the Niche is the grind setting, would love a finer thread that can make smaller grind size adjustments. For me a slight turn makes a pretty big difference in flow for my espresso. Also if they could have marks that go 360 degrees it would make going between espresso and filter alot easier. An auto-off feature that turns the grinder off when done grinding would be nice. Otherwise it's hard to see how they could improve on an already great design.

[@stevenr5149]

interesting suggestion for a Niche 2. Replaceable burrs AND replaceable threads. Can you imagine making a pour-over and then unlocking it, then lifting the pour-over flat burr/thread unit out and sliding the espresso unit in and in seconds having a perfect espresso grinder.

[@Ryan_F.]

I managed to get an order in for a Niche Zero on their last stock refresh. Excited to receive it in September, but need to get an espresso machine. Thinking of going with the Gaggia classic pro and modding it

[@SlayPlenty]

If you want to keep it simple I keep hearing about quick mill 820

[@AnonYmous-wf1oz]

Older Classic models have a allen wrench adjustable pressure valve where the pro you can order springs from shades of coffee to get your machine to 9 bars pressure.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Great video!! Love your content! I would also love to see a nice flat burr grinder!!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@JPC326]

Great mind think alike haha.

[@vettepwr23]

My Niche is finally shipping this month. I am looking forward to it. It's been a long wait so hopefully its worth it.

[@phillypunk91587]

I'm moving on from my Baratza 270 and upgrading to the Niche. First off, dialing in the 270 is annoying. Getting coffee where you need to adjust the top portion of the dial seems like a pretty big step, then you need to adjust the stepless portion and you end up wasting more coffee than necessary with just a single stepless adjustment. The retention is good on the 270, for the price, but it still needs to be purged when you make an adjustment. Something I don't think I'll have to do with the niche. The Niche also seems like it's going to be way quieter than the 270. Getting the coffee into the portafilter from the niche compared to the 270 seems like it'll be a nicer experience as well. No more need for a funnel on top of my portafilter to dose. The aesthetic design seems a lot nicer. The only thing I might miss on the 270 compared to the niche is the timer. I can get a repetitive amount of coffee once I have it dialed in by saving how long the grinder should run. But I won't need that anymore since it's single dose. My niche is getting shipped now, very excited for the upgrade. We'll see if what I talked about above is worth it, but seems like it should be.

[@mireya762002]

Where an item is built is a huge factory for me. Thanks for all the helpful information.

[@jimhand2734]

I just ordered the Niche two weeks ago for an October delivery. The Niche + shipping to Texas was £549.00 GBP. With the exchange rate, that came out to $763.16 USD. Ordering the Niche wasn't easy. If you want one, get on their mailing list and when they say stock is going to be available, make sure you order right then. They go quick.

[@brittanybutler2211]

Where at?

[@TheDennzio]

plenty available now

[@justinpiercy6829]

+1 for the seasoning time. Takes longer than you think! Would love a flat burr option!

[@KyleRowsell]

I hear so many complaining about their filter coffees staling or the grinder not grinding coarse enough. This is a major concern for many!

[@GrandpaDon69]

A flat burr option would not happen for a LONG time. They cant even keep up with demand with their original conical version.

[@chrisdturner]

Agree, flat burr would be nice. I think the filter coffee from it is decent enough but does lack the clarity you get from a flat burr. Flat burrs can be more finicky for dialing in espresso too, so if niche can make one that is easy to go back and forth between filter and espresso I'd be very interested

[@Kevin-finity]

Great video production! Even though I have already owned a niche zero for a year now, and I am happy with it for home use. I pair it with my La Marrazoco Mini. The result is excellent. I think I will stick with this grinder, or I will probably double my budget and go for something high-end.

[@damienhallsworth3314]

Probably my only frustration with my own 3 month old Niche is I still occasionally see slow, clogging drawdowns in my V60 brews that are presumably a result of fines being produced at medium-fine settings. My espresso game on the other hand has been taken to a whole level by this amazing grinder. So yeah, I think Kyle's assessment here is bang on.

[@stevenr5149]

do you spray? I don't spray and don't get clogging. Just a thought.

[@damienhallsworth3314]

@@stevenr5149 No I don't spray my beans because Niche recommend against it. I solved my clogging brews in the end by giving my burrs time to season, and switching to the Japanese boxed untabbed Hario papers (turns out the tabbed papers made in Netherlands are trash lol)

[@TheDennzio]

So try grinding your V60 beans like 5 grams at a time...I hear this works to cut down on fines but I won't know until my Niche comes in...will update you

[@UnLee911]

Great video! I would have gotten Niche Zero at the retail price, but with limited availability and inflated price, I backed ARCO 2-in-1 grinder instead. I am now using a manual hand grinder with about 120 grind steps for espresso shots and pour-over coffees. The manual hand grinder works... but for espresso shots, it is time-consuming and quite the labor.

[@stevenr5149]

I still move my Lido hand grinders. But when you start that intense few minutes of hand grinding, it does stop your flow. After I got the Niche, I was surprised how much more relaxed my total work-flow is.

[@rxonmymind8362]

Here it is 2023 and I'm perfectly happy with my multifunctional KitchenAid coffee burr grinder. It's been overlooked in all the reviews but let me tell you it's a very very good grinder. I can grind the beans for true espresso fluffy flourr like grind then dial it over to French press. It comes with the anti-static coffee ground canister and it is a TRUE anti-static canister. Had for a couple months now and the grinds just slide out of the canister easily. Wife is ecstatic over it. Pun intended.😅 Retention is minimal maybe a gram or less but what I like most about it is it's 76 decibel sound level. One of the quieter grinders out there. You can pretty much get the amount of grams you want by the amount of time you set it to. For instance my grind setting for espresso is on 70 on the dial while the time is at 18.9 seconds which gives me 19 g. Good luck finding anything in $160 to $200 level of this coffee grinder. Makes beautiful espresso grind as well as French press.

[@lurklingX]

and my 2 cents -- i LOVE the current design and the white. best design out there. imho. couldn't care less if they do other colors. this is friggin *classic* . though it would be cool if they offered a version with flat burrs since a lot of people are interested in that.

[@RL-dc8si]

Source of origin is not a unique thought and thanks to bringing awareness to this important issue. NMIC is very big deal to me and I avoid any MIC products. I was thinking about getting the niche, but your information helped me decide on the Eureka.

[@wR3BORNw]

If I'm honest I think what's best about the Niche is it's ease of use. The coffee grinding is great don't get me wrong. But its just so simple to use. It's the first of my coffee gadgets that my wife wasn't too intimidated to try and consequently got her into freshly ground coffee. She now uses it every da in her cafetiere. In other words, it doesn't need a hobbyist's eagerness to push through poor ergonomics as many of its competitors do. It just...works.

[@nayfonr32]

Sorry Kyle, but the Eureka single dose, nor the Weber Key are currently available. I don't think they should have rated a mention in the video beyond a (this is coming up in the next year or so). The Lagom P64 is double the price of the NZ. The DF64 is difficult to get depending on where you are in the world, which would also be a concern for after sales support (which Niche excel at).

[@yandeslongchamps]

Currently grinding with 1zpresso J Max as my sette 270 is waiting for it's new gearbox

[@xPentag0n]

Oh no I don't want mine to break 🥲😅

[@Ja_Mes]

Exactly why I grabbed a niche, because of the sette being plastic. You get what you pay for.

[@Killand8]

As always, great video Kyle! Continue your amazing work. I owned a Niche Zero for a year and I 100% agree with this video. What is missing from the Niche is a timer or auto-stop feature. Another missing feature is anti-static. Static and grinds were all over the place with the Niche. No real issue with my Ode, Forte BG or Mignon XL. The Niche also needs a lot of cleaning to stay consistent. I was switching between filter and espresso daily. When switching to espresso, the grind size would drift between first and second shot.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching and for the comment!

[@ShanBrianHe]

Curious how you like your Mignon XL vs. Niche, besides the difference on single dose? I am waiting for my Niche Zero delivery but also eyeing on the Mignon XL recently

[@Killand8]

@@ShanBrianHe You can modify the Mignon XL to get a single dosing grinder. Tilting the grinder will achieve what most single dosing grinder do. What I prefer from the Mignon over the Niche is the fast grind, timer, no static without water spray (Niche was messy), flat burr. That's almost everything. Only downside is the cost with the extra stuff needed from single dosing and the dosing cup.

[@lurklingX]

that break-in time, that info was very helpful! i'm new to a lot of the grinder stuff and that tidbit was great, to give me an idea of expectations and what is totally normal. not sure this translates to manual grinders but i realize it might!

[@UberRiceLubber]

Curious - what's the basis of your recommendation for DF64 and Lagom? Have you owned and tested these two grinders?

[@hasanalasadi5308]

Very very nice video 🌹 After long time waiting to re stock I'm go with eureka specialita for espresso with some update and bartaza virtuoso+ for filter coffee finally I'm waiting the single dose from eureka 😅

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@Displays.1234.]

Definitely should be able to buy a flat burgh version of the niche zone, that's what I am waiting for, they definitely of the best-looking Design, I have a 270wi but I would never buy another one it's very noisy made out of cheap plastic, and I've already had to replace the plastic gear box, definitely get quite a bit of coffee retention...

[@ethiopianbuffman]

In 2021, it is technically Niche vs DF64. Key, Arco, Eureka SD are all waiting to drop and the best grinder you can have is the one that you can use. I think the DF64 is the best flat burr option right now for most people. The problem with it is that you need to spend extra for SSP burrs if you want to do filter as the stock burrs are espresso focused. I still think Niche still has a good market as it is workflow king and super approachable to the non coffee obsessed. It is basically Apple in the way they have nailed the usability. DF64 and Sette 270 are like android. They need some tinkering and may not last as long. Niche Stock is definitely coming back faster and faster as they sorted out their supply chain, but I love them to do a 65mm flat burr grinder to be as simple as the Niche.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for your thoughts!

[@orrinbelcher6593]

For me the Niche is the little darling and sweetheart of the single dose grinders.

[@andreavon3551]

Great video Kyle, has always, I have the Niche going on 6 months now, and I am still amazed at this grinder. I didn’t have any problems ordering it, guess I was lucky, my wife loves it for her filter coffees, I use it for my espresso and Aéropress for witch I grind close to espresso, for the V60 I use my hand grinder, kind of like that ritual. I had a Mazzer flat burrs grinder, do I miss the flat burrs, not one bit! The only other grinder I would like is the Weber Key, guess what, it’s another conical burr grinder 🤷‍♂️

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for sharing Andre!

[@yajt6651]

At one pre-order launch, all the Niche units sold out in the time it took to type in the address on the payment form. Since I wasn’t able to order one, I bought a Specialita and a single dose mod-and haven’t looked back since. I do enjoy content on equipment I will never buy but, honestly, the free exposure content creators keep giving away on their behalf doesn’t do it for me. BTW - it was thanks to a video of yours that I chose the my burry buddy, my Specialita!

[@saifmanman]

Lol nice job getting me to click with that year change in the title 😂

[@themrgumbatron]

nice review, would love to see a comparison video with the new Varia VS3!

[@eakcud33]

For me, I've just ordered DF64 and the only reason is the availability in the area which still not know when will we get another lot of Niche Zero. Hope DF64 will fulfill my desire. :)

[@anthonytomlinson3311]

Manual hand grinders can also be a great and low cost option for low retention grinding. I think people often forget about that as an alternative. I know you've been doing excellent work on promoting manual grinders as well...

[@KyleRowsell]

I mentioned this when listing out some alternative options :)

[@anthonytomlinson3311]

@@KyleRowsell Ha, yeah, right after I typed this in, you mentioned the Kinu, Chestnut X, and 1Zpresso grinders.. should have waited for the end of the video 🤦‍♂️

[@KyleRowsell]

@@anthonytomlinson3311 no worries! Thanks for watching!

[@mrrellevartify]

Important addition: Niche has a very unfair pricing policy! They keep the 20% UK VAT (as an additional profit I guess) when shipping to customers outside the UK. So you will have to pay double VAT, theUK VAT plus the VAT of your country! That makes the Niche Zero roughly 100 gbp more expensive to non UK buyers.

[@peaceful3250]

In Australia I had to pay just under $1800. Only one coffee business still stocked them. I love my Niche but it disgusts me that everything is so much more expensive for us.

[@Emma-dh7by]

​@@peaceful3250 bit late for you, but FYI Aussies, you can order it straight from niche with Australian plug for about $1100AUD

[@peaceful3250]

@@Emma-dh7by Thanks, Emma. If I could turn back time........🥹

[@wacha0219]

I love your cheerful expression when talking, not only thorough and detailed contents! But hey, I have a question. Why didn't you mention Mahlkönig X54? That seems like a competitive grinder in this context. I want to hear what you think about that machine.

[@SAMUEL-zc2mv]

x54 cant single dosing properly, mahlkonig really dont know what home user needs (yes ofc a single doser!), they just nerfdown their commercial grinder and labeled it with "home grinder". pffttt...

[@wacha0219]

@@SAMUEL-zc2mv Seriously!? That's pretty bad of them... But Thanks for informing me of the problem of the grinder. I appreciate that I have ordered Niche instead.

[@Dancingmartian]

I ordered a Niche a little over a month and a half ago. In addition to actually being able to purchase one, the wait time to get it after you give them money is also concerning. However, while the European models still are more readily available, the North American models are getting easier to get. At first they were selling out within two minutes of release. The last couple releases have US models available for around 2 days after release. Yes... Still selling out quickly but more reasonable for people to get. 🙂 I do hope to get to try other grinders, but for me I'm eagerly awaiting my Niche!

[@benoitgermain6047]

I received my Lagom P64 over a month ago, and it's stunning, solid and provides me with delicious coffee every day

[@thefreiburgkid]

This is your best video yet, Kyle! Cheers!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@arianyazdannik968]

Great video as always Kyle. I am considering to buy a niche zero and this made me think about D64 as well.

[@KyleRowsell]

Both excellent!

[@DELTASierra-13]

That walnut looks 🔥 how much did the upgrade cost? This would pair great on the counter top with the Ascaso Steel v2!

[@elcharran]

Great video! Will be interesting comparing it against something like the new eureka single dose. 😄

[@KyleRowsell]

Something I’m hoping to do 👍🏼

[@elcharran]

@@KyleRowsell looking forward to it

[@Displays.1234.]

A new version with flat burs , the white colour still looks the best...

[@jiinx72]

No matter what come after the Niche set the bar for others to follow. It's a no fuss design that does the job. Price wise it sits between the lower and mid range market. I have a Niche set as my next grinder and probably my last. And it doesn't need a auto off. Flicking a switch up and down isn't hard work.

[@Sammiecheeks16]

If only they had a flat burr one then it would be over

[@jiinx72]

@@Sammiecheeks16 Tbh it could be one or the main design upgrade they're not letting on to. It was the only practical upgrade that I would see needed or a standalone version for those who prefer flat burr grinders.

[@friendslovecars]

I rock a two grinder setup - A Baratza Sette 270 for espresso with my Flair and a Baratza Virtuoso for everything else (V60, AeroPress, etc). I love both!

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah yes! Many do this as well. This is one of the reasons the niche is so popular I believe, the idea of a “one grinder does all” is fascinating and desirable. Thanks for watching!

[@simply_psi]

Great video Kyle, this is an issue on a lot of people's mind right now. I think Niche need to look at their range being a one product company does leave them vulnerable to competitors eating at their market share, I know the wait is frustrating, but better that and keep the quality high rather than rushing product out that is poor quality, mind you I do think a lot of people would prefer Niche to source a UK or European manufacturer of the product. That being said I have gone for one of the competitors and backed the Kopi Deva as the DF64 is also in short supply in the UK and has too many issues that need mods in my opinion, it was a toss up between backing the GOAT Coffee grinder and the Kopi and in the end I liked the look and work flow of the Kopi and it being cordless is an added bonus as there is no compromise on its placement in the home and no messy cord in the way, I just hope it lives up to my expectations.

[@davidmcdaniel6270]

I was finally able to order one this go round. Cant wait!

[@ChongMark]

Great Review Kyle!

[@JZaim]

after all the hype.. I finally got on the Sept Delivery For Niche. So gonna see what the hype all about before upgrading to another single dose grinder. Im sure you will advice us on the next upgrade after the niche.

[@KyleRowsell]

I believe you will enjoy it!

[@hazardframe]

Hey, great video first of all! I got one question. Whats up with that "burr seasoning" you mentioned? What is this? What was the state and problem before seasoning, whats the state after? Thanks a lot :) keep up that great work!

[@bozomedicus5035]

I have just bought a NZ and have spent 6 weeks comparing it to my Versalab M4. Of course they aren’t in the same price ballpark and the Niche doesn’t have the flavor definition of the Versalab, but it’s surprisingly good

[@myheartbelong2oi]

It's probably been said here, but what happens when more prominent and more established companies can release similar products without the long and uncertain lead times. People may want a niche more than something else, but if you can't get one even with cash in hand, the market will simply pivot to those companies and leave Niche in the dust.

[@degamma8]

Just ordered Lagom mini can’t wait to get it 🙂

[@xtctaz]

pulled the trigger on a wilfa uniform - reason: flat burrs and better filter coffee grinds....thanks for a great review

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@Tomasz0216]

After doing a lot of research, I just ended up buying a hand grinder. I save several hundred dollars, and I get the quality of these high end grinders. In addition, if I am missing out on time, I do have a Nespresso at home so I can just throw a pod in for that. Maybe one day I'll get a home electric grinder but time will tell.

[@brendanhubenak1852]

That's what I did and don't regret it. I did get a good deal on a virtuoso but that's for drip. I want to get a good espresso grinder someday but I'll use my hand grinder for a while

[@MrArdytube]

Excellent video Another option would be to hit eBay for a used flat burr Rancillio rocky or mazzer mini are good choices that can be had for 5-650 dollars

[@rdalmasso7326]

I just get the flair 58 and bought an eureka mignon crono being on a budget option for a expresso grinder, seems to perform ok, but so much retention, i just bought an air hopper which leaves me with almost no retention so in fact it is kind of a good deal ! The only thing i would think more in the future especially if i am on a budget, is seeing potential upgrade availability, for now their is no upgrade burrs for my mignon with his 55mm burrs… i dont know if its because its new but hoping to see ssp burrs in 55mm in the future.

[@poj531]

I am also in the market for the 58 + Crono too. I heard that The crono may have problem with light Roast. what is your opinion ? Have you found any issue with the light roast ?

[@erock6040]

Kyle. I love your Walnut accent. Of course your video too

[@lukaspeters1168]

honorable mention: Ceado E5SD 64mm flat burrs. love it.

[@henq]

Kyle, what brand is your t-shirt with nice long-short sleeves?

[@rdalmasso7326]

Hello Kyle, really appreciate the quality of your videos and your thoughts on different topics ! I just get my Flair 58, first time brewing expresso for me, and as Flair 58 get kind of viral i was wondering if you plane to make some other videos on it, i am really looking forward to see you thought on some of the best upgrade parts for the Flair 58, like the basket for exemple which is hard to understand and spot which one is better for a new in expresso like me. And also maybe seeing some all recipe you can do with a flair 58 like a beginner serie of making expresso recipes at home !

[@KyleRowsell]

I’m working on a robot vs flair 58 vs xbar video now

[@maxgriffiths5900]

Thanks for the vid Kyle - I've recently been nerding out on coffee making and this vid is v.informative and well made. Props. I was about to pull the trigger on the Niche but a couple of useful points you mentioned jumped out. 1) British design but made in China - very disappointed to hear this! As someone who is trying hard to shop closer to home this is actually quite high up there on my reasons to not buy. @Niche - pls take note. 2) you've introduced me to the P64 - a dangerous path to an even more expensive habit. But appreciate your comment on it not being twice the grinder

[@LorenzoNW]

The problem is that you along with everyone else wouldn't pay double to have it manufactured in England.

[@gstraylz]

In 2023 it is time to mention Timemore Sculptor 064s - that would be smth that beats Niche in most aspects (price/retention/ability to swap burrs later for SSP)

[@0whitestone]

I wonder why filter coffee takes longer to season the burrs than espresso. You're typically running bigger doses with filter coffee than espresso, so it seems like you'd be running a lot more coffee though it when using it for filter.

[@001jozef]

There is one thing which is putting me off to get flat burrs grinder no matter what is burrs alignment ,even ceado s37sd which cost almost 2000£ has this issue .They say it's easy to fix ,but don't like idea getting a new grinder and opening because of this thing.And Eureka is famous not to have alignment burrs ,so expecting in their single Oro mignon same thing

[@Maybaby1959]

I wish my flat burr grinders had the niche work flow and maintenance

[@S-to-the-C-to-the-S]

Every day is arm-day with my Chestnut X but it's been really surprising me with what it can do. Gave up on looking for an electric I wanted for the time being due to the high demand.

[@marvinadn]

I love my chestnut x. I can do great filter coffee and grind fine enough to stall my espresso machine

[@1000fAttemptsLater]

Buyers from outside the UK beware! you will be charged the full 20% of UK VAT (i.e. GBP 100) when ordering this grinder. In addition you will pay any import tax and fees that your country charges you. International orders should be sold without the VAT of the country of origin. The company flatly refuses to comply with this. I guess it makes for a nice additional sales bonus.

[@BigfootRunning]

I’m in my first week with my new Lelit Bianca. Also need to upgrade my grinder (currently Breville…) and looked into the NZ. Can not find any in Australia apart from one or two sites asking around $1750. It wasn’t ever intended to be sold for that much so not for me. So I’m patiently waiting for the new Eureka single dose to land for an immediate purchase. 😎👍

[@KyleRowsell]

Fair enough! Hopefully it delivers what you're looking for!

[@musicmusic7240]

I have DF 64 and happy with it. Great to hear the comparisons. What is the button that you keep pressing on the side? I assume it is something lighting related but could not unsee it once i saw.

[@carlosalmeraz6529]

Could you make a video on the best hybrid grinders that can do espresso and filtered coffee. I have a good hand grinder that can do both but I want to add that convince into my life by getting a electric grinder that can do the same

[@KyleRowsell]

I’ll look into it!

[@mikemcgookey]

I’d love if that would cover the baratza vario. I bought one and I’m pretty happy with it, but I never see it mentioned with other things around this price point.

[@MetaRPG]

Key Coffee grinder by Weber, New single doser by Eureka Oro and the Fiorenzato All-Ground (With red speed burrs!!!). Love the competition.

[@KyleRowsell]

2021 is the year of coffee grinders

[@marcMH]

is the niche a good choice for "moka" coffee?

[@MrHarlequin2316]

I’ve been vacillating between the DF64 and Niche (with little side offshoots to the Kopi Deva and Weber Key) for a few months, but finally bit the bullet on the Niche a couple of weeks ago - the day before the DF came back into stock in the UK. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Although £100 more expensive than the DF here, I settled on the Niche because of the apparently smoother workflow and on the basis of aesthetics. I think any grinder is going to be a compromise when looking at different brew methods and even something higher end like the P64 (which would be closer to three times the price here) is going to be better at one thing than another depending on the selected burr sets. However, since ordering they have not sold out on their current drop, so unless they have upped their production, I can’t help wondering if the bubble has burst. Also, now I have finally taken the plunge, you can pretty much guarantee that Niche will announce an 83mm flat burr grinder for the same price. 😢

[@musicmusic7240]

I pretty much went the other way and got DF 64. I don't think you can go wrong with either at this price point. Niche looks slick with easier workflow whereas DF64 has flat burr set with possibility to upgrade to seemingly better burrs, SSP. i also got it so i could potentially use SSP brew burrs if I am moving away from espressos.

[@SWatchik]

Nice G shock! Tbh whatever the answer they definitely made other manufacturers take note!

[@KyleRowsell]

Good eye! Thank you

[@lenso010]

Honestly I have single dose hopper for my mignon grinder. I don't like the last dust type exit. I think niche zero is great product for end user . You don't need bellows for the grinder. I also had to do alignment for brand new grinder which is not right..

[@Kyleexpress]

I'm eyeing goat story's Arco 2 in 1! Can't wait for your review of it!

[@KyleRowsell]

Can’t wait to share about it!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I understand this grinder is great. But I just don’t like single dosing it would be great if they added the option for timed grinding or grind by weight with a slightly larger hopper. I know everyone loves these single dosers but idk I just make way to many espresso in a day for this to be a really nice option.

[@chazalpha96]

We bought the NZ .. the girl brews espresso, I brew French Press or drip. Daily x2. Lesson learned. NZ is really not designed to be the only grinder for a household that does that. Leans hard to the espresso finer grind side of the house.

[@viavelum]

OK, we are in Fall of 2022 and there are now various models of the DF64 and soon there will be the DF83...It would be interesting to compare all of these. :)

[@mortongosh983]

Once I learned where it was manufactured, I moved on. I do not like my cheap plastic Sette; but adore my Rocky and Mazzer Mini - those are super build quality.

[@MateuszProductions]

Do you grind using your espresso machine's built-in grinder, or do you grind outside of the machine? In general, can one assume that a built-in grinder will do a great job when purchasing a high end espresso machine with one built in, or would a standalone grinder always beat the built in version?

[@KrischerBoy]

NICHE has some pretty dodgy practices regarding the VAT for non UK costumers. Maybe you could address that once. Ordering it from the EU you have to pay the same UK price which is supposed to include UK VAT (which do not occur as it is exported) and additionally your EU VAT.