Nickelodeon's Failed Attempts at Making Pop Stars

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[@TAI_05]

hey, what's your favourite Ariana Grande album?

[@TheHappyHummy]

Im not old enough to use this product 💀

[@64ovrjohnbrownfromthe08nuggets]

Y did u forget ab drake?

[@64ovrjohnbrownfromthe08nuggets]

He was on Degrassi and is WAY more popular than all of them

[@K5ondatrack]

hey you forgot about max schneider

[@sickboy8914]

"Andre" from Victorious also went on to be successful in the music industry, he's worked on Grammy winning/nominated songs, Nickelodeon really did fumble the bag with so many people.

[@legendarybroly2]

I like how he produces a lot of popular songs but stays lowkey at the same time

[@joshg7120]

Victorious lowkey had the most talented cast ever from any Disney/Nick show, but instead they only focused on the lead actress which backfired badly

[@shaina8947]

Yup! & I just learned he sang a song with Ty (Roshon Fegan) from Disney's "Shake it Up" in 2011. He produced & co-wrote about 10 songs in total from Ariana's 1st album (Yours Truly )& most recent album (Positions). It's so nice to know they're both immensely succesful & remained friends for over a decade :)

[@topfloorbossopium]

Leon Thomas, Just nominated for 3 Grammys

[@skinni_the_P00hBear]

That whole cast was talented asf, and they only focused on Victoria. No shade to her, love her, but Nick really missed out on this.

[@svtstolemyheart1526]

The things is casting Victoria Justice alongside huge broadway trained artists is the big mistake nickelodeon had done. Even when they give them less lines, they still overpower Victoria in terms of musical abilities.

[@teapartypenguin1353]

I remember all the hype leading up to the episode where Freak the Freak out premiered, it was supposed to be the main single for the episode where a couple different songs premiered. But Give it Up, Elizabeth and Ariana's duet, ended up being my favorite song in the whole show.

[@howardyates4848]

Exactly. Victoria's a good singer, but not insanely talented like her co-stars.

[@svtstolemyheart1526]

@@teapartypenguin1353 YES!! give it up was my favorite too! and also take a hint cause i loved liz's part in that song.

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

And acting abilities I just rewatched victorious Liz was out acting every episode

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

@@howardyates4848 Watch her lives she can’t sing she’s another Halsey

[@Akursedtime]

It's ironic that nick overlooked Keke Palmer, Leon Thomas and Ariana Grande and they ended up being more successful than their chosen anointed talents and lost them all when their shows ended. To be honest, I think it helps that Keke, Leon and Ariana were never labeled to be their television characters so it was easier for them to build their careers. While Victoria Justice, Miranda Cosgrove, Drake Bell and the members of Big Time Rush will always be linked to Nick.

[@h1inc816]

It's weird now that you mention it, the white actors/actresses they pushed kinda flopped, whereas the non-white cast had more success before/after their shows.

[@SoulReaperSlayer19]

Isn’t it obvious?

[@thamiresvaz3]

@@h1inc816 ariana is not white?

[@BratzRockAngels]

@@thamiresvaz3 She is white, she just makes herself look ambiguous. I used to think she was Hispanic.

[@america692]

@@thamiresvaz3 she is white

[@peps3283]

Honnestly Victoria Justice completely had the potentiel to become a famous icon/ popstar, but playing a character as hated (overhated in my opinion) as Tori Vega ruined her chances because apparently a lot of people can't tell the difference biiitwenn a character and an actor

[@jfkwkfk8867]

especially when you dress like that character in real life

[@peps3283]

@@jfkwkfk8867 tbh I dressed like her too 😂😅

[@lol-ot4pn]

@@jfkwkfk8867 well Tori was the most normal out of all the girlies lol

[@lol-ot4pn]

Personally i think the thing that stopped Victoria from being as famous was that she doesnt have a “transformation” moment. No era to separate from the next, no strategy etc2. “The Way” was such a big contrast toCat Valentine that it created a whole other fresh identity for people to be hooked on. wala

[@nicatine]

I personally think she would've had the potential to become a iconic actress and star in more TV shows and movies, but unfortunately, a stupid rumor ruined her career and no studios wanted to hire her. Fortunately, Netflix is booking Victoria a lot lately, so she's better off acting than singing, like in the same level of Zendaya. The same can be said for the other former Nick stars, they're all better off acting except for Ariana.

[@monsiu]

To be honest as someone who grew up with both Disney and Nickelodeon..... I always saw the main character would always be big in future so when I found out and watched Ariana getting bigger than the whole cast of victorious was mind blowing. For real

[@johnaandrea6281]

I wasn’t surprised that ariana blew up only because she sung a lot in victorious and made it obvious she was better then the main character (tori) her voice was very soulful which shocked a lot of people and made us wanna hear more. when she finally dropped her first song it was just like this is what she was bound to do lol

[@johnaandrea6281]

i think liz gillies could’ve also went far if she really got serious with music after victorious even though her style of punk rock wasn’t as popular as pop music at the time.

[@GenericUsername1388]

@@johnaandrea6281 I wish Liz made more music but atleast she's having a successful acting career

[@bajabl]

@@hannahhelton3789 and? Her talent still got her far

[@c.3090]

@@hannahhelton3789 almost everyone in the industry fits to the “beauty standards” and yet only a handful of them become successful, it really depends on your talent lol

[@bocodamondo]

big time rush will always be the funniest to me, since when i was watching the series, i thought they were a parody of boy bands....not an actual one that the show is trying(and failing) to promote

[@applehazeva2739]

Same!

[@skuptex3221]

They are officialy back now btw

[@scribble7979]

tbh i always thought BTR was successful before i took the time to look back and go “oh, that was all in my head?” bc MAN i was such a big fucking fan, I made my mom take me to a concert and BUY ME a grossly expensive tshirt at the venue 😭😭

[@scribble7979]

the concert sucked ass btw i remember it being very bad but i did not care enough to not want the expensive shirt

[@EsmeralldaAzul]

a funny/sad fact is that when they started to become more famous, one direction, who opened btr shows at the time, explodes with WMYB. in my opinion, they sing well, but nickelodeon always exagered at the autotune, like, the voices always sonded kinda robotic, and the songs kinda look the same at some point, feels like nick tried to hard to "look cool" and "make stars like disney" but ended feeling forced, like u said, sounded like a parody of boybands

[@Kaeldra3]

I genuinely never realized big time rush was an actual band… like I feel like they didn’t communicate that well to any kids watching

[@darealepic]

That's because they barely promoted the actual band,that's why most people just thought they were for the show

[@greenbox12]

idk I knew they were touring and making albums like a real band

[@greenbox12]

wait a sec, I just watched this part in the video...I don't think BTR was a band before starting the show?......I thought they were put together in the show and then made into a band........

[@darealepic]

@@greenbox12 I heard that they were a band before but wanted nick to promote them

[@schwammi]

btw they're also back together and making music again

[@Dude-vb4ul]

You know it's crazy, when I Carly came out in 2007 I remember thinking how ridiculous it was that someone who made Internet videos would be so popular and known around her school. The series actually makes a lot more sense today than it did when it came out

[@THAHANDLER]

this 💯💯

[@MasterQuestMaster]

Now that you mention it, that’s totally true xD

[@Churros1616]

youtube was already a thing back then. what are u talking about.

[@breyonhopkins4795]

That show would be the biggest ever if it was made with Tik Tok existing

[@0livera.lorenz0]

A spanish coment: pero si eso siempre tuvo sentido desde ese año KZbin era una cosa muy divertida y diferente esos años, seguro no lo viviste en su época pre google

[@BrandNameLess]

ultimately i think Disney picked better music talents while Nick picked better tv show acts

[@jamalfuego]

well said

[@FraZzJ]

100%. Selene Gomez, Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber. Disney touched a lot of big names.

[@rqvebr]

@@FraZzJ justin bieber?

[@theofficialVEVOformu]

@@rqvebr i think he means justin timberlake he was a disney star in the 90s

[@xdenihyakuya]

Oh yeah, so we have to add Britney and Xtina too

[@vicityy]

I think one BIG reason Nickelodeon was bad at promoting their artists music is because they never let clear that they were artists. For example, all those years I watched Big Time Rush as a kid I didn't even realized they were an actual band. And I know I'm not the only one. edit: nickelodeon didn't promote my music right either

[@stickwittaglocc7563]

Facts I kinda found out when they would perform and nick aired it

[@Tayllustration]

FACTUAL

[@dj2k460]

I was shocked when I found out they actually toured and was a real band I always assumed they were characters from a show who just happened to sing in it as well

[@hotarukoyuki2222]

Same! 🤣 I realized that after I saw that they actually had a legit album.

[@joshentertainment2]

How didn't you know

[@bja808]

I’m kinda glad Nickelodeon didnt pursue Ariana for a music career. I lowkey think she would of failed if Nickelodeon handled her music career. Ariana is now a multi-platinum, 2x Grammy winning artist

[@rufiredup90]

*would have

[@ryuno2097]

@@rufiredup90 *hould wave

[@onecommunistboi]

@@ryuno2097 evah dluow*

[@domalley]

Yeah Victoria would’ve had more success with her music if Nickelodeon didn’t handle it

[@ohmyprettygirl]

I believe this too. I notice here that all the Nickelodeon musicians who came even remotely close to some sort of major success were all musicians who went about things their own way.

[@zb3391]

Nickelodeon’s viewership success came mainly from spongebob. They’d air spongebob several times during the day. The only live show that was really competing with Disney was icarly. Every Disney show was successful viewership wise, while Nickelodeon relied on spongebob and icarly. I remember reading several viewership articles back in 2008-2012 and spongebob was carrying that network.

[@Goyarxrd]

And it’s funny cause it still is till this day growing up I never like Nickelodeon sitcoms I only went to Nickelodeon for cartoons but I would watch Disney for sitcoms but not gonna lie victorious and I Carly were the only sitcoms I liked it but when Victorious ended around 2013 kids weren’t watching tv no more they were now transitioning to Social Media/their Phones so in the end both Disney and nick were dying after 2013

[@murasakino101]

@@Goyarxrd I used to watch nick for cartoons too. I'll give them that, they had some great ones back in the day like spongebob(the older episodes), Danny phantom, fairly odd parents and many more. Disney definitely had better sitcoms. I think drake and josh is the only other nick sitcom I can remember watching all of the time other than icarly and victorious. Big time rush too(I was gonna say the jonas brothers show but I don't remember if that was on nick or disney lmao). Now nick relies HEAVILY on spongebob and sometimes fairly odd parents to the point where they reduced both shows to mindless garbage smh. I guess they know how much those shows carried them and now they wanna bleed them dry smh

[@dannyrivera2733]

@@murasakino101 It’s interesting cause I think back in the 2000s, Nickelodeon had better cartoons and Disney had better live action shows, but Disney lowkey has better cartoons now (Not a fan of live action shows on either network right now).

[@KRSonbe]

The reason why Nick's viewership success came from SpongeBob is simple---it was the only thing they aired 90% of the time. People who would leave Nick on for hours would see nothing but SpongeBob. After some years, viewers started realizing their was no variety on the channel. If they put "Fairly Oddparents" or "Victorious" on as much, those shows would be the #1 show on the network.

[@jackreiter7291]

They aired so many SpongeBob reruns every day that once I set the dvr to “record all episodes”, they had to keep deleting them to record the shows they liked watching. That’s how much it was on. It was seriously that popular.

[@snowflakes7344]

Miranda Cosgrove never really fit the popstar mold, and didn't have any exceptional singing talent. But she was the highest paid child actress at some point, had a great time voicing Margo from Despicable Me, had a normal college life, and is now back to acting; so I would say she did pretty well for herself.

[@fantom5894]

She never graduated from college, despite attending for 6 years. And there are some lurid rumors about Cosgrove's college life, which may be nonsense, but who knows?

[@vg6761]

@@fantom5894 sis can't do basic math

[@TYGVlogger]

@Ms.C well now she’s way better. She did a cover of Shallow and it was pretty good

[@jbsix]

That song kissing you hard though

[@amylee8969]

@snowflakes Or perhaps producers tried to pressure Miranda into completely changing her image Into a sex symbol and glitter like image like Ariana. Ariana may be successful but she no longer has the luxury of being her true self, making her own choices, or doing what's comfortable for her. Hollywood has groomed her into a life size Barbie doll and now she's forced to keep it up whether she likes it or not or her career declines. Never underestimate the real struggles of a young star who suddenly "made it big".

[@lexluthor6968]

Shortly after Ariana's debut album was put out, Nick started playing her music videos during breaks 😂

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Really!? I don't remember that

[@emilianomg359]

Trying to stole a little attention

[@hotarukoyuki2222]

Yup lol I remember that 🤣

[@king-my3ps]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 mostly Put Your Hearts Up and Baby I, they were her most family friendly songs at the moment

[@NisaFashionista]

I remember that like oh now you wanna put her on the forefront now?

[@evaa_oliviaa]

They got lucky with Ariana tbh, she is extremely talented, Nickelodeon didn’t make her, sure it helped but she is act amazing

[@saaarrj]

Seriously. Ariana made herself. Nick just got to be there.

[@patax144]

I am not a big Ariana fan, but this is true, she has great talent, she was really put tin the background in Victorious and her amazing voice was always mixed so that others would shine more or so she didn't stand out, and Sony music, producers of the show didn't even sign her a record deal, republic records found her through KZbin covers. Nickelodeon had a diamond, and they threw it away, putting their focus on not so shiny rocks

[@Diana-mu7pc]

I mean, it's a little of both. I think we all knew who Ariana was because of Victorious, and she was seriously popular while she was on the show (relatively, for a Nickelodeon actress, obviously not compared to what she is now). Nickelodeon gave her visibility and those of us who liked her searched her on KZbin and social media. I was subscribed to her on my old account back in 2010. We were all Victorious fans who were waiting for Nick to really put her in the game already and make their ensemble sitcom... an ensemble musical act, too. But nope. And that's kinda ridiculous, too. Because Disney was producing all these pop starlets with multiple sitcoms and movie franchises they had been propping up for years, and Victorious was their catch-up. So they could've promoted the three/four female leads as pop soloists AND as a group act in their show. Almost kind of similar to how the K-pop industry works nowadays, now that I think about it. Multiple musical projects going on at once for successful and prominent talents. They could've made serious bank out of all of them if they weren't so focused on hard-selling ONLY Victoria Justice.

[@officialtoiletpaper]

agreed, nickelodeon gave her the platform that allowed more people to hear her music and get her talent to be noticed. After only her first album, she definitely blew up all on her own and continued growing from there

[@Duda-fd3cf]

Her family always supported her a lot, she was in Broadway before Nickelodeon, she's very talented and also rich

[@dannypadilla6818]

When it comes to Victoria, I also believe it was the choice of the song released as her debut that stunted her chances. When Ariana released The Way, it was a much more mature sound for her (at the time) that garnered attention and drew comparisons to early Mariah Carey. It was a clear distinction between Ariana Grande the recording artist, and Cat Valentine the dim witted character on the show. Whereas Victoria’s debut, Gold, sounded like a song that Tori Vega could’ve sung at any point in the show’s run. There was never a clear separation between her and her character.

[@aliyahbell6685]

💯 I agree

[@TheoriginalPR1]

I think its also worth noting that even though their shows, Unfabulous and True Jackson VP, didn't last long and weren't huge hits, Emma Roberts and Keke Palmer are now bigger stars than any of the Nickelodeon leads who actually had the hype machine pushing them. Seems like Nick is just always putting their eggs in the wrong baskets.

[@bajabl]

Are you kidding me?? Unfabulous was a huge hit!

[@IamZoeyy]

true

[@IamZoeyy]

@@bajabl it was def one of my favorite shows and Emma became one of my favorite actress

[@TheoriginalPR1]

Maybe it was at the time but people don't really talk about it as much as Drake and Josh or ICarly. People just remember it as "Oh yeah that Emma Roberts show"

[@lexiel.8293]

@@TheoriginalPR1 Don’t forget Hotel For Dogs 💗

[@BlockO008]

I personally believe that a couple of other reasons why Ariana Grande surpassed her Nickelodeon & Disney counterparts is because she wasn’t the main character of a show, she utilized the new & upcoming rise of social media, and she basically took her career into her own hands. She was undoubtedly one of the most loved & relatable characters on Victorious, while she never had to go under the same level of extreme scrutiny, public attention & maintaining that “good girl image” that her other main female child stars like Miley, Selena, Demi, etc had to go through during their peak childhood fame. I also remember when her second album was coming out she used Instagram to promote tf out of it, and she even did a daily countdown for the album and one of the lead single’s (Problem) that legit broke a lot of charting records at the time. She also carved her own lane by uploading KZbin covers of extremely noteworthy songs where she essentially did her own marketing for her music talent in a newly found network (aka KZbin) that wasn’t over saturated at the time. She truly was in her own lane, and basically spearheaded her own music career outside of Nickelodeon while she got free promotion from them as a beloved kid’s character whose show got played on the network 24/7 for millions of people all across the world to see.

[@user-jb7tq7ko7e]

Deadass, I remember all that. Ariana has work ethic.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Ariana Grande also debuted in the 2010s, when self-advocacy and awareness of abuse in the industry start to become a thing. Also the rise of the internet/social media was starting to happen, and I feel like that played a huge role into why Ariana Grande became popular and why Disney Channel did not make any stars in the 2010s.

[@gonda3435]

Problem is a single from her second album: My Everything. The Way is the lead single from her debut album: Yours Truly.

[@maomi3672]

i disagree with "while she never had to go under the same level of extreme scrutiny, public attention & maintaining that “good girl image”" but everything else i agree.

[@evonramos185]

her lead single wasn't problem

[@KRSonbe]

It's ironic to me that Miranda, Victoria, and Big Time Rush were the ones who were heavily promoted by Nick, yet Ariana Grande and Keke Palmer ended up being the bigger stars out of that network today.🤔

[@offgun6466]

Ikr. All of Keke and Ariana’s success were from record labels/production companies outside of Nickelodeon.

[@selinkorkmaz1019]

Keke ? Not at all

[@totally5694]

@@selinkorkmaz1019 not musically maybe, but she's definitely successful as an actress.

[@alexmun7391]

@@selinkorkmaz1019 keke palmer is a huge star!? some people don’t know her music cuz most people know her as an actress

[@veronicaaccouche1478]

Didn't Miranda Cosgrove voice Margot in the Despicable Me films she hasn't the financial success as Ariana but she's not poor. That tour bus crash did effect her career who knows how big she would have been

[@JaredTVW]

I honestly am glad Nickelodeon had this issue. As a Nick fan from my childhood, watching since the early 90’s, it felt more wholesome generally overall and like they didn’t have to prove anything. They were not Disney levels of success, but successful enough to stay relevant and alive. So many amazing shows with actual values while they may not have been factories for pop stars, that didn’t need to be their focus.

[@liam_rufino]

yes!

[@KRSonbe]

The problem is Nick ended up replacing good shows with garbage. Even shows about "aspiring pop stars" happened in the early 2000s, such as "Taina". Shows like "How to Rock", "Victorious" & even "House of Anubis" got replaced with "Marvin Marvin", "The Thundermans", "Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn" and "Breadwinners".

[@ItsOnlyObi]

@@KRSonbe well it’s as the video said, the time of attempting to create Popstars has passed which is why they stocked with the comedy factor shows like Henry danger and nick dawn etc

[@quincyn2369]

Damn so just hold the kids back from their full potential for the viewing audience ?

[@JaredTVW]

@@quincyn2369 or how about create a show with no ulterior motives. An actor should not take a job with the false perception that they may inherently become more just because they will be the lead role. And since it’s children we are talking about, the pressure put on them could be lifelong. Hire for the job not to be innovative before anything jumps off. Let the kid become a star on TV, and if they are talented, work hard and meet the right people, other facets can open naturally, rather than being forced open.

[@lexluthor6968]

Despite having success later than Miley, Selena & Demi, Ariana Grande was the first of the 4 to win a Grammy. Nickelodeon really fumbled the bag HARD

[@bestcutie]

to be fair... the grammys gave ari that award to be petty and out of spite, since she didn't want to perform the setlist they wanted her to sing. they tore away her dream of getting her first grammy in person and being like the icons/legends she aspired to be. THEN they bait her into the expectation of another grammy win the year after, had her promote it and perform. then gave her awards to others...

[@shinystarthatisnotsoshiny]

The Grammys don’t matter. They’re completely biased, especially with what happened with the The Weeknd.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@shinystarthatisnotsoshiny Award shows in general are kind of a joke. Just remember that in 2017 the Oscars nominated Boss Baby over a silent voice and one time Shakespeare in Love won an Oscar over Star Wars (I think.)

[@Mareewashere]

@Jasmine N. Kind of of but, not exactly. Ariana really worked for her spot especially when she technically didn’t really have any advantages.

[@hi-pv7io]

Plus she outsold and out streamed and outcharted them (no hate)

[@game-ex5mx]

If you don't know, Ariana debuting a #1 album in B200 was so mindblowing because it's very rare for a NEW artist to debut that high that time. It might not be quite shocking because it seems very normal now for new artists to easily debut a #1 album despite being new like Billie and Olivia.

[@takemyhand1988]

Ariana debuted at #1 in bb200 not hot 100.

[@BlockO008]

i’m glad someone else pointed this out

[@takemyhand1988]

@Jasmine N. well she can write good songs

[@takemyhand1988]

@Jasmine N. well she can write songs however she wants. If Ariana can only sing about sex an entire album, Billie can write about what she wants

[@takemyhand1988]

@Jasmine N. I'm not a billie fan. But if Ariana can only sing about sex, Billie can sing about depression. Also the singing thing, Billie can stay on key and do basic singing dynamics. Just because Ariana mixes high doesn't mean she's the only one who can sing.

[@allthingspage1498]

crazy how Ariana Grande is now one of the biggest artists of all time, passing all of her peers and is up with Rihanna, Taylor, Adele, Beyoncé etc. she’s the most streamed female artist of all time, biggest act that debuted in the 2010s, countless of records, countless of hits, countless of smash albums and more.

[@rizaaliyah]

Ikr, i literally grew up with watching her on nickelodeon but always forget that’s where she started

[@grqndecat9862]

and she wasn't even the main character

[@conniethesconnie]

Her success is because her music is hers. Her music wasn't made for a character, show or network. There was no external influence to fit a template. Ariana's musical style and image has been between her and her producer. Bigger risk but also the chance for greater reward.

[@ravenmindful673]

Pure example of you don't need to be heather to be the best. lmao

[@theeepidural6144]

@@conniethesconnie that’s partly the truth as she had some influence on her music but she really wanted to be RnB from the jump and start out with more soulful music. Her manager Scooter Braun (he also had/has Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez, etc under him) made her do pop for a little while. I think it was to help build her up and get out to the public

[@PhilipJackson03]

I feel like a lot of the reason why Nick stars failed is because Nick was never that serious about making music because their brand really relied on being quirky. I mean when you think of Disney you think of magic, wonder, imagination and just stardom and amazing experience. When you think of Nick you think of Slime, Gags, Jokes and a Wacky time. Not to mention the general vibes of the shows were very odd or offbeat. It’s a bit jarring to see Miranda Cosgrove make fun of a cranky man with a wart and make a spaghetti smoothie then listen to her new single. And don’t get me wrong Disney shows were weird too but never as weird as most Nick shows were. I can’t imagine that was a very easy translation. They probably realized this and TRIED to make Victoria Justice something. But she obviously was not performing well and by that point Disney was phasing out most of their big names that raked in the millions already. They also did this while the world was slowly moving to streaming. I think Ariana Grande wasn’t really ignored based off of a perception of lesser talent than Victoria Justice I just think Nick really didn’t try enough and when they did try with Victoria it was too little too late. I mean Keke Palmer, Elizabeth Gillies, Andre Harris, Miranda Cosgrove, Drake Bell, Kira Kosarin, NBB, etc, etc all could’ve had a more significant career and made Nick a lot more money if the Company was able to properly integrate their brand with their musical talent. Which they never did and never will.

[@DonnaAmo]

you just summed up why I always liked Disney better than Nick. I could not stand to watch Nick because of all the weird stuff they used to do, some of which I found gross. Disney shows were more composed and relatable (in some way)

[@lunarialoonatic]

Considering a weirdo produced them you’re not wrong. I grew up more on Nick anyway bc that ‘quirkiness’ fit in my house lmao. Even my parents watched iCarly and Drake and Josh with us 😂 it was just fun and quirky family friendly type sit com stuff.

[@ivywt]

you raise some good points, i agree with you

[@PGOuma]

@@DonnaAmo literally same here

[@share_accidental]

never thought of it that way. you’re right!

[@yuhbiatch1302]

Ariana was really serious about pursuing a music career ever since she was a child. Thats why she did broadway and theater in her early years. Nickelodean HELPED her not MADE her to be the star that she is today.

[@mariuh5620]

ariana is kinda hot. is she on birth control?

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@mariuh5620 she's also married

[@sweetener5200]

@@mariuh5620 weirdo

[@G0ingN0where]

Cope

[@quitto]

They also missed the chance to turn keke palmer into a super star

[@GLENDALE_ISBACK]

They fumbled the bag hard with Keke palmer

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Oh absolutely

[@nevermindgaming6848]

Facts they barley had any African American pop stars on the show not counting the guy from Victoriaias

[@skinni_the_P00hBear]

Both Keke and Leon Thomas III are doing just fine, from what I see. Still, Nick really missed out smh

[@GLENDALE_ISBACK]

@@skinni_the_P00hBear yes they really fumbled

[@lauraelizabethbrown]

In high school I watched Victorious with the kids I babysat. I studied music and voice and spotted Arianna as being slightly better than the rest of the cast vocally right away. So I looked her up but I also looked up Victoria and Liz as well because I still enjoyed their talent. Ariana was posting covers all the time. She even had some technology to make her own background music that she would mess with. She was finding all kinds of ways to perform random shows for free on her own whether it be a holiday performance or a volunteer program with music. Victoria did a bit on her own but it was more like a cover every 6 months or so. To be honest, I think a part of Ariana's success was her literally working her butt off on her own. Yes, she was a better singer. But she was also significantly more passionate about creating music.

[@samu-chan]

ok

[@msk-qp6fn]

Yeah same. I also think it would have been better if Victoria focused on acting from the beginning.

[@jessicabowiedetroit92]

Thank you for giving Taina her props she was truly walking so the Disney girls could run that show was so underrated!!!

[@watsyourdestiny2086]

I used to LOVE Taina!

[@PGOuma]

YES

[@juicereveal]

Taina was my fav show as a child. I still remember the theme song and all the cast. Wow ... This really took me back.

[@smokerscough2907]

I loved Taina so much. Tbh I do believe racism plays a role in the disrespect people pay her and the show. It was deeper and more relatable than a lot of the shows that people love to reference being so good from Nickelodeon.

[@Missmagazinebura]

Her actress was on freaky Friday and sang in the movie . She was also in a Disney movie brink

[@alexisatkinson7420]

Honestly, I love how Nickelodeon allowed their stars the freedom to explore their musical paths and contracts outside rather than tying their successes solely to the channel. That way they can blossom in their own way. I never hear anything bad about Nickelodeon from their stars in regards to their contracts the way we hear of similar channels

[@claudiabenigno2796]

True. Many Disney stars ended up with some sort of Mental Health issues, which is sad. I think the only prick in Nick was the ultra creepy producer who shall not be named.

[@Canonicallycreative]

@@claudiabenigno2796 Him and Butch Hartman. Nick’s hands definitely aren’t clean, either. The only thing they have going for them is they never had a weird purity culture where just because the channel is aimed at kids both the shows and all of their stars needed to be squeaky clean at all times.

[@claudiabenigno2796]

@@Canonicallycreative Butch Hartman wasn't involved heavily with those teen stars, unlike that creepy producer, who made those creepy things to those young girls.

[@-Desire]

Funny thing is there are people out there who believe that the creepy producer who must not be named is completely innocent because no one has spoken up (as far as I know). As much as I dislike him he made good shows which were also elevated by the many good actors from that channel.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Uhhh dam Schneider and nick kids aren't exactly better off than Disney kids. Selena gomez, raven, Hillary duff, Sprouse twins, all ended up fine. Honestly both had pros and cons to being on these networks in different ways.

[@mariomakesmusic_]

My points: The problem with Victoria Justice's music: it was always to basic and boring and it never evolved and Columbia barely promoted her. They bet on Victoria to much,sure she had the it factor but musically never stood out ,she could belt power pop hits but never showed more raw talent like her recent song Treat Myself. Big Time Rush: was to much related to their tv show. At some point people didn't know if they were a band or a show,and also bad promotion of course. they had hits but their image was to boring and they were a little older than their competition,people lost interest and found it in more younger and new talent like One Direction. Ariana came out of nowhere and blew everyone away. She had good managment and undeniable talent. She was so different from her nickelodeon persona it was easy for people to separate them,while Victoria was basically tori and btr the show outshined the band. And Miranda Cosgrove was never popstar potential ,she was just to awkward and never fit the part ,she could somewhat sing but her talent was definitely being a comediane. She is so funny just follow her on insta and you'll see.

[@musiclover_kb4913]

The thing about BTR is that the band became real BECAUSE of the show, as opposed to the Jonas Brothers who were an already well-established band before getting a show on Disney Channel. On top of that, the JoBros had already been successful for awhile and had a built-in fan base, so what they were doing as a band and within their show could be seen as separate entities, even tho it felt very intertwined

[@jaciel610]

About the Being pop star material or showing raw talent, Selena Gomez sometimes is like that specially in her first albums, yet she’s been successful. With a better promotion Miranda and Victoria (now she has better music) could’ve done better.

[@Purplestream15]

@@musiclover_kb4913 ur totally right. jonas brothers fan foreva

[@musiclover_kb4913]

@@Purplestream15 Yo me too, those guys rock and their old music still holds up (most of it). I even enjoy their new music, Sucker, Only Human and their new song Who's In Your Head

[@mariomakesmusic_]

@Jasmine N. The Jonas Brothers came before the show. They were already succesfull the show actually slowed them down if anything,it wasn't even popular it fell off soon. They kinda fell off to around 2013 but made a comeback,because they were already established. They had hits and grammy nominations before the show stared also,they were brothers it was different than 4 actors who form a band. Also Disney was better at promoting and getting hits than nickelodeon.

[@schris3]

The problem with Victoria Justice aside not having a manager as good as Ariana's was that she fitted the pop star mold way too perfectly (model like features, a mature voice with a juvenile flair). Ariana didn't and that made her more accessible to the audience and sure did helped for her having doll like features and a Mariah Carey-esque voice.

[@jaciel610]

I think they had the same manager, scooter Braun . It’s said that he ruined Victoria’s career in favour of Ariana. The rumours about their feud, Victoria’s jealousy… now we know it was a lie but even now many of Ariana‘s fans hate Victoria, she lost the fandom and Hollywood’s strength to promote her work. Scooter is the same guy that bought Taylor swift’s label and now she has to re-release her music to own the copyright

[@jaciel610]

Victoria maybe is not the pop star that wears controversial clothes or have feuds with everyone, but the leaks of what was supposed to be her first album is good, same quality as Ariana’s first album

[@harshasewlani5312]

The problem was that she had ZERO creative control. Nick wanted her to be a bubbly pop star and she wanted to do something else. So she signed off and focused on her acting. Listen to her recent music. She's good, the wrong move was her management

[@schris3]

@@harshasewlani5312 That's why the importance of a good manager because at the early stages of Ariana's music career, she could have some sort of balance between bubbly pop and Rihanna-esque music.

[@harshasewlani5312]

@@schris3 scooter was managing both vic and ari in the beginning and decided to screw vic over in ariana's favour

[@DADON99]

I feel like the problem with BTR is that they didn’t continue as a group. They went on hiatus as soon as the show ended. They halted any kind of momentum they had. Drake Bell…I will never understand how he didn’t become big in the music industry

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

And somehow he's popular in Mexico. 🤷‍♀

[@alessandracardenas5911]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel it's because drake and josh never stoped airing lol, but after the scandals i don't think he has as big of a following anymore

[@meganshillinger8294]

His ego and issues.

[@abrahamayala8663]

@@alessandracardenas5911 that and he started acting more mainly when he was Peter in ultimate Spider-Man

[@ShurikanBlade]

Nah I think Big time rush actually did it well. They went on hiatus then they became a band again from 2021 onward. This allows them to capitalize on that nostalgia and childhood memories of their fanbases. I went to their concert in 2022 and it was packed. They also release new music now.

[@mikeCD62]

I think theres another factor at play. In the 00s, Nickelodeon shows always had noticeably more "edge" than disney shows-- still a kids show but not diabetically saccharine. I'd surmise that Nick's audience skewed slightly older and less sheltered than disney. Its easier to hook a kid who is a little younger and has had fewer cultural exposures because there is less to compete with.

[@fantom5894]

True dat. One of the things that made Schneider's Bakery shows superior to most Disney fare was that Dan wasn't afraid to push the envelope a bit; toss in some under the radar stuff. Victorious is a prime example of that. The Mouse plays it too safe.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

And then there's cartoon network

[@joeburreaux7953]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 We don't talk about Cartoon Network.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@joeburreaux7953 Why?

[@musiclover_kb4913]

@@fantom5894 If u go back and watch Suite Life, you'll find a lot of sneaky adult jokes and witty humor

[@musicviolamusician4392]

I remember seeing old interviews of Ariana, and she would get asked how it like balancing a music career (with the release of Yours Truly) and being an actress, she responded along the lines of finding a balance. Later down the line it had been revealed 2013 she had been working on her debut for 7 years. Safe to say she was a hardworking person for the get go. I bet was given the chance to grow her audience/fan base from Nickelodeon, which carried over to her music career, plus Ariana’s really pretty.

[@plebeianmedia1080]

What? She’s obviously a relented vocalist but her career has been directed by managers and executives.

[@NemeNoms]

@@plebeianmedia1080 Maybe but they played it damn well with her talent.

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

@@NemeNoms not maybe it's a yes ... what makes u think u can jugde the music industry when u don't even know the basics if that's a maybe then your seriously lacking in the "fit to answer this question category"

[@NemeNoms]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 uh I wasn't judging? What gives you the right to assume :D I literally just said that maybe she's been directed but that they did her really good. That's it. I think she did wonderful in her career btw but I never said I was 'fit to answer this question' which is not even a question but a statement I responded to. Really rude, be kinder.

[@christineperez7562]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 lol Like you know what you are talking about.

[@acenull0]

LMAO I know Nickelodeon was PISSED when Ariana's debut album dropped 😂😂😂😂

[@PatrickCc]

On god they probably sat there like 😶 welllll shhhiiiiitttt

[@youcantduccthezucc6806]

The album was IMMACULATE 😩

[@DominicJewell-p2e]

And then trying to get involved with the glory and trying to act as though we were stupid enough not to see, that she was pushed aside in the show when she was outsinging every character. They lowered her mic. Raised Victoria's mic. And gave her a dumb personality. 2017 -2019 when she was at her peak in the career as a singer not actress, they saw oops she got way more potential and is way more relentless than we thought. Now in 2019 we see Nick on KZbin constantly upload videos such as "thank you, cat" And a month worths of cat and Ariana videos. And giving her tribute once. Why didn't they appreciate her way sooner. Hmm but as every one who watched victorious knows the whole spin was on Victoria... 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@josephmendoza5806]

Which is why on Nickrewinds they put something like "Ariana Grande's musical moments" or "Cat's 7 dings," "Cat's best musical moments " cause Nick knows they missed out on giving Ariana Grande a chance

[@takemyhand1988]

@@DominicJewell-p2e they also never allowed her to do whistle register. And she had to sing in deep voice to restrain her belting range

[@sittingduck1735]

Combined with her rare talent, what worked for Ariana is probably the very fact that she was neglected. She was the deserving underdog who got overlooked. I never watched Victorious but I know those actors from social media. One day I watched an interview where Ariana took the hosts around her apsrtment and to her little recording nook (she wasn't this huge superstar back then) and then she sang a little for them. And I just remember being stunned into silence. Like wtf, is this girl even real? And I remember being so annoyed that she wasn't the lead or got promoted as much. There's this strong emotion that underdogs create within most of us.

[@henriquejambu]

It was really weird in 2013, after watching my last Nickelodeon show (Sam and Cat) suddenly seeing Ariana go from just an actress in a kids network to being a enormous popstar??? When the music video for Problem dropped, I was shook

[@deen8100]

id gotten into her music super early on so for me it was like a feeling of pride watching her grow into what she is now :,)

[@DreamsAreMakeBelieve]

@@deen8100 Same!! I used to watch her covers on youtube (remember osnapitzari?? and the live streams??) and was obsessed with her and Liz, felt so proud

[@YoungChuy2398]

@@DreamsAreMakeBelieve fast forward to 2021 she’s a certified music legend

[@huntern4454]

Same but for me it was when every girl I went to school with was singing my baby or writing it in their journals. I had to ask what was going on 🥲

[@reannagordon]

That was the first song I ever heard from that album! Also that was when Iggy Azalea got big too.

[@abdulmajidsalleh4700]

Even my 13 year old brain could see that Ariana was the most talented on that show

[@stickwittaglocc7563]

Facts as well as Andre I thot tori was mid

[@jacquesRH]

Andre was the most talented on that show...

[@jaciel610]

All of them were. According to their different voices, acting and song writing. You can’t judge someone’s talent by their vocal range, Taylor swift and Adele are talented but each one of them according to their vocal range. In the series jade had a stronger voice than cat, not because of that she was more talented, just a different voice. Same with tori

[@alvinacetrndd16]

i think they're all talented

[@theofficialVEVOformu]

liz gillies is a better singer

[@daretoran5616]

Nick has a history of fumbling the bag. When it came to Big Time Rush and Victorious they had a game plan.

[@kieranstark7213]

*Hundredth like* Which is make Jamie Lynn Spears more successful than Alexa Nikolas, Jennette McCurdy and Victoria Justice (just like they did with Ariana Grande) as a way to insult their sweeter, more egalitarian personalities because we just couldn’t say anything bad about JLS without being labeled as misogynistic even though without Britney Spears, she wouldn’t think have even been relevant.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Plus they pass up on Adventure Time in favor of Fanboy and Chum Chum, and Adventure Time would later on go to revive Cartoon Network.

[@daretoran5616]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 sheesh nick

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@daretoran5616 I've also heard they passed up on Phineas and Ferb, The Proud Family, Edd Ed n Eddy, and other cartoons.

[@KRSonbe]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 Nick has a LONG history of fumbling the bag. Remember, back in late 2012, they cancelled all their tween/teen shows at the time (How to Rock, Victorious, The Troop, Bucket & Skinner's Epic Adventures, Big Time Rush) and started alienating that audience for a "new direction" & to attract a "younger audience", i.e. ages 11 and under. Those new shows (like "The Thundermans", "Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn", & "Sanjay & Craig") failed to do as well popularity and ratingswise as the previous shows. Disney channel and FOX/ABC Family never dropped the ball like that.

[@hwangisbae0320]

I think that part of Ariana's success was because we knew her as Cat Valentine, a bubbly, sometimes weird and childish girl, and her first album was a lot more mature, so we wanted to see that new side of her, and that may have kind of boosted her career too. I'm not saying that's the only factor on her success, she it's extremely talented and she was my favourite character in Victorious, and I've been also supporting her career since My Everything, I just like to think that Nickelodeon helped her and boosted her career by giving her the chance to portray Cat, and by that, giving her the chance to show something completely different to what people knew

[@amymichellexo_]

I think the reason Big Time Rush never made it big was because One Direction was taking over, it was extremely hard to compete with the biggest boyband in the world during that time

[@reannagordon]

Omg truuue they were one of those performers that didn’t win the competitions but became super successful anyways.

[@greenbox12]

they made the mistake of having 1D open for them in the US too 😂

[@Dave102693]

well, Kpop music did it 1000x over.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@Dave102693 That's because they're really good at marketing

[@zeroskaterz92]

@@Dave102693 kpoop you mean

[@kpopjane9726]

I think the reason Ariana grande is who she is, is due to her being gifted with her singing abilities. She’s one of the best I’ve heard from our generation. She was born to sing.

[@ptralx3122]

the weeknd is better but i get ur point she is good

[@f.r.etling]

Well, that’s sweet of you to think that, but she was just marketed well. Talent has nothing to do with success. Sure, she can sing well, but so can plenty of people, and they don’t become famous. Becoming a pop star is about marketing and advertising with a good record label.

[@villanelles_suit7271]

@@ptralx3122 LMFAO TT

[@iamme6064]

@@ptralx3122 "one of the best"

[@Pea-G]

@@f.r.etling talent can lead to success though

[@successfulrecords]

honestly , the biggest reason ariana became successful is branding . she ditched her “iconic” red hair and went for a half-up ponytail and did 90s inspired r&b music. which, not only showcased her true talent, but also made an impact outside of the youth talent industry and into the music industry . she also constantly rebrands herself during album eras . for example , after her debut album, she transformed herself into a mega popstar image, taking inspiration from britney spears and other pop divas. then, she gained traction from the dangerous woman era where she fully broke away from nickelodeon. then , she started her “aesthetic” era with sweetener and then became an icon with thank u, next. and now no one ever brings up nickelodeon when talking about her.

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

The biggest reason she succeeded is because she isn't a normal person she was born into Hollywood and has been carried her whole life ... she wouldn't be anybody if the big 3 didn't push her music and face

[@arianamoonlightvocals3823]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 not you hating in every comment section 💀 if your jealous then say that then. your embarrassing 😄

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

@@arianamoonlightvocals3823 there isnt a single musician in the world on her level.... without the help of the big 3 .....take it how u want it.... its just Facts.

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

@@arianamoonlightvocals3823 nobody is anybody without the big 3 helping

[@iloveazaeliabanks]

big three? what has kpop got 2do with ariana grande

[@Madyoung_beats]

The problem with Nick was that they didn't Make it clear their talents were actually real musicians, like the members of Big Time Rush seemed like a band from a tv show and people never knew they were an actual band because nick were bad at marketing their artist. The reason this whole pop star factory thing worked for Disney was that they not only released soundtracks fro their shows and made the Miley and Selena for example sing in their shows, but they also.released music with them outside of the shows, so people knew that they were actual singers in real life. If nicked actually released music with BTR for example outside the show, and maybe used better marketing, people wouldn't see them as just a band from a show

[@k3upikachu]

taina was actually pretty highly rated and i remember it being popular when i was a kid. Apparently, "the real reason why the show was cancelled was due to behind-the-scenes business decisions and the network clashing with Vidal's management team, which included her mother. "

[@nevermindgaming6848]

I never heard of it and I was watching nick back in 2001

[@denisediaz6218]

@@nevermindgaming6848 it was one of my absolutely favorite shows on nick lol.

[@tonimichelle8401]

Definitely was excited as hell for this show when it premiered! Sad that it couldn't live long enough to be great.

[@kieranstark7213]

Am I the only one who thinks it’s okay to criticize Taina (not just the BTS (behind the scenes, not Bantang Boys, but also the show itself)? And no, I’m not doing it to crush childhoods, but because if Nickelodeon didn’t make it, it would live up to its full potential.

[@davm97]

yeah weak ass video

[@axelmartinez9]

BTR was hella fire back then 😂 that was definitely my show. They still have almost 2 million monthly listeners on Spotify which is kinda crazy imo.

[@jessxlexandra]

And it keeps going up due to the fact they are coming back

[@dj2k460]

Yeah they were never bad and tbh most their songs were pretty good and I loved the show growing up, I think they just wanted to do their own things in life and music wasn't long term for them and that's ok on the other hand I do feel they could've rivaled the Johnas Brothers more what hurt them was that they were characters in a show before they were performers unlike the johnas Brothers who were already a band and they just happened to get a show

[@raet6375]

Half of the listens come from the nostalgic millennials (hello) who miss early 2010's and the other half from Tiktok teens who found Boyfriend through the app haha

[@Phillysavage]

@@raet6375 don't bring tiktok in this

[@nyasialewis816]

I still listen to them they fireeee and still got bops😩🔥

[@nicatine]

When you think about it, Nickelodeon didn't started out as a musical company like Disney. That's also why it was easy for Disney to make popstars. Nickelodeon originally started out as a animation comedy channel (like Cartoon Network). But what they did with Taina, Drake and Josh, Victorious was a major failure...

[@sharabennett-assad7379]

I used to watch the Naked Brother’s Band as a kid and was surprised to watch Alex Wolf’s AMAZING performance in Hereditary - extremely bone chilling! His acting was sensational and every emotion literally permeated through the screen as I watched, as well as his role in My Friend Dahmer which I enjoyed as well! He’s an extremely talented actor who went on to go the indie/artsy film route which is pretty uncommon for Disney/Nickelodeon alum. Super underrated but probably one of my favourite talents to come from either conglomerates

[@vaderladyl]

I thought those kids were amazingly talented and funny. And they definitely liked to go different routes than the usual.

[@karenctran]

What’s so shocking about Ariana Grande is that everyone who watched Victorious (before Ariana got big) knew Ariana was the best singer in the show and knew she was getting sidelined. In the meantime, Nickelodeon didn’t see any of her talents. I was a fan of Ariana’s singing before she became big, and, literally, many Victorious music videos would have fans commenting how amazing Cat Valentine’s singing was. I’m just confused how Nickelodeon did not see what every Victorious fan knew….

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

She's not much better then any average professional singer .... u sure your a professional and fit to jugde her voice

[@xaedeo6549]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 are you high? Ariana is far above the average singer from her high belts falsetto/ head voice whistle register and 4 vocal octaves she has one of the best voices in the music industry today

[@Deoece]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 you sure you're also a professional and fit to judge her voice?

[@karenctran]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 It doesn’t take a professional to see that her voice is very strong and powerful in comparison to that of other singers. I’m sure you’re not a professional either so I don’t understand why you’re calling me out for not being a professional.

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

​@@karenctran look my name up on spotify 100,000 Plus Monthly Listeners This Is My Job

[@alexisatkinson7420]

Ariana took charge of her own career by releasing covers on KZbin with some of her costars and getting her own name out there. They would let her sing on the show but never to the point of outshining the lead which… was inevitable given her talent. But thankfully she didn’t get suppressed.

[@mariuh5620]

is she on birth control? i heard she does her own stick & pokes. it could be a rumor tho

[@darkempress6378]

I have to give credit to Ariana, she and her team did everything right. She was already a talented singer, and the comparisons with Maria Carey also helped put her in the spotlight. The best thing she did was distancing herself from the cookie cutter or bubble gum pop kids network music by collaborating with a hip hop artist on her first song. She already had a network outside nickelodeon.. She was friends with people from the entertainment, dated someone who had street cred and wasn't a part of the kids network circle, released catchy music outside of nicK and collaborated with other well known artistes familiar by the general audience( Nathan Sykes, Babyface, big Sean, Mac Miller..). And apparently she had been recording her debut album through out her victorious career. She released the second album after Sam and cat and that one already solidified her place as the IT pop girl especially collaborating with artists like Nicki

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

She and her team her team is the same fucking team every other artist in the charts use aka the big 3 maybe learn something about the music biz

[@darkempress6378]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 K

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

@@darkempress6378 k ok keep being a sheep

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

@@darkempress6378 u let 3 companies control everything u see

[@AdrianHernandez-rj9hi]

N no

[@writerspen010]

I never understood why Nickelodeon overlooked Ariana as badly as they did. The girl already had at least one Broadway cast recording under her belt well before her Nickelodeon debut, whereas Victoria Justice (to my knowledge) didn't have a musical background to her name until Victorious came out.

[@Dani-ql7xb]

she was in a nick movie called “spectacular” before Victorious and it was more or less like victorious because it was a school show choir theme so a lot of singing

[@share_accidental]

@@Dani-ql7xb i thought it was because victoria was on zoey 101 & dan decided to create a show with her as a main character. she said that she was studying in an arts school & that was how ‘victorious’ came about.

[@peng7771]

I don't think they overlooked her at all. she was a main character on the show and ended up getting a spinoff as well. I believe they actually did try to start her music career, but she switched to a different label.

[@Fly-the-Light]

@@peng7771 Her spin-off was after she started getting popular, by that point, it was way too late

[@jmac356]

Never watched Victorious, but I don't think Victoria's character in the show is much of a singer, which is basically the whole gimmick.

[@VintageFlight70]

Ariana Grande became such a huge star to the point where I forgot she started on Nickelodeon

[@bratzscene3131]

SAME I HAVE TO REMKND MYSELF EVERYTIME😭💀

[@mariuh5620]

she literally gave herself stick & pokes in the show "victorious." i think i remember that

[@share_accidental]

i would say she started in broadway actually

[@idonteperfect6943]

To be fair Miranda stopped her career before it could get big, Drake Bell was just very underpromoted when he was still very popular, and Victoria has a hate train running against her while Ari at the same time was loved

[@ipiinsih3655]

ikr??? people seem to turn a blind eye at the fact that tori didnt make it because of the rumors. fucking in denial

[@ashtongarcia6894]

@@ipiinsih3655 what rumors?

[@regina55633]

@@ashtongarcia6894 that she was the reason the show ended

[@ipiinsih3655]

@@ashtongarcia6894 there were many rumors circulating about how she ended victorious , and she bullied ariana onset. of course all of them werent true. people also were reaching SOO FAR to prove vic's "shady behavior" (aka that one cast interview that everyone knows about and has made memes of). it was worsened especially because ariana was a bitch who threw victoria under the bus for no reason, and of course her rabid fans all went to harass victoria. even a couple years ago the hate train went choo choo again because some youtubers were all making vids hating victoria's character. and of course because of the fact that the internet is full of losers who feel the need to belong, they all jumped in. i guarantee that in most victorious videos you will always find someone saying " ew i didnt even like her back then, she's boring, talentless, she gets everything, why is she always the center?"

[@jaciel610]

@@ipiinsih3655 and her music was good, there are some leaks on KZbin of Victoria’s first album and it’s good, it could’ve had the same level of success Ariana had with hers

[@KRSonbe]

I liked most of the video but there is some wrong information here. Mostly with "Taina". That show lasted for 2 seasons, not 1, the soundtrack came out in 2002 & Nick cancelled the show after 2 years despite it being a ratings hit. They canceled it because Christina Vidal (Taina) threatened to lawyer up against Nickelodeon because the network execs were trying to skirt around child labor laws with her and abuse her rights. They did the same to Amanda Bynes at that time (look at what happened to her after awhile) & Nick Cannon but since Vidal didn't "play the same game", they cancelled her show, despite scripts for a season 3 being written at the time. Also, "How to Rock" was based on a popular book series, not a HSM knockoff like "Victorious".

[@bowwow4893]

and "Every Witch Way" was an American adaptation of the Spanish show "Grachi," not a "Wizards of Waverly Place" knockoff but I'm guessing those were just jokes besides the Taina thing

[@Jessica.Shawnte]

Victorious was a children version of glee

[@Lyanno99]

@@Jessica.Shawnte Victorious was a more modern West Coast adaptation of Taina

[@khaniyah1494]

Taina was my show!!!!😩

[@lirpaneerg1621]

Watching Ariana grande on victorious I instantly knew she would big a huge musical icon. Her voice stood out way more than most of the other nickelodeon actors/actresses.

[@nikkigin3093]

@@kitty.miracle well she did have red hair with the show which was kind of a eye catch.

[@nickbrown2113]

Why u lying

[@Buck_Bentley]

Her speaking voice was annoying, and her singing was less Mariah and more try-hard like Christina.

[@MD19853]

​@@nickbrown2113 what she lying about ?? Ariana had The best voice.

[@nickbrown2113]

@@MD19853 that’s your opinion. In my opinion, her voice improved significantly after the show. I actually think that Elizabeth Gillies’s voice was beautiful. Ariana voice was better than some actresses and actors then but not as much as now. Her voice was basic atm.

[@troyblueearth7450]

So I actually had a production teacher at film school who was a producer on victorious actually on several of the nickelodeon shows you mentioned and I asked her about this. She said that Ariana never actually gave nickelodeon the rights to her Voice so they could only use her sparingly I don’t know any further details about it or how that works that was just the explanation I was given when I asked.

[@komalpreetbrar7740]

That’s so smart of her!

[@breonahamilton]

So that’s how she did it!

[@Goyarxrd]

I knew it bro cause I always knew something had happened behind scenes cause it’s no way in hell a Billion Dollar corporation like Viacom/Nickelodeon did not notice that she was more talented and way better singer then the lead role and can potentially become one of the biggest pop stars in this generation and make them millions/billions 💀

[@DonDadda45]

How the hell is it even possible to buy rights to a person's voice? the fuck

[@segagenos5183]

@@DonDadda45 well if you think about it that doesn't seem something far off that Disney would do. Especially if they're telling young kids or unknowing parents that we are the only people who can make you successful, type of relationship

[@12DAMDO]

Nickelodeon should've just listened to BTR: "make it count, play it straight, don't look back, don't hesitate"

[@share_accidental]

😂

[@hanhdoan9101]

I think part to Ariana's success was her image too. She had a certain Lolita styling with her hair and wardrobe, and bringing back old-school style r&b music. It was a unique combination

[@goldranger5182]

Thats her brand

[@mariuh5620]

who here likes Ari? i like nightcore version of her songs oh yea :3

[@laurenkhate2001]

It's good marketing and having a strong label.Shes more like Mariah 2.0

[@soilent9618]

It also doesn't hurt that she is a legitimately excellent singer. Like quite literally one of the best in the mainstream right now. It's no wonder she became more successful because she could actually sing her ass off. I'm sure the rest can hold a tune, but Ariana can sing sing.

[@peppercola]

Pause

[@BreyenJaimes]

I’m glad you recognize the actual first show to do this, Taina! Christina Vidal was incredible and eventually ended up in Disney in the movie Brink and Freaky Friday.

[@storietella8535]

I watched Taina for one reason: Lisa Lisa. She was an 80s pop/r&b star who played the mom.

[@BreyenJaimes]

@@storietella8535 CLASSIC

[@AnimalLover-yu8un]

I used to watch Taina. Loved Christina, I definitely watched Brink cause she was in it lol. And I liked her in Freaky Friday too

[@BreyenJaimes]

@@AnimalLover-yu8un same same same

[@georgelopes4589]

Ariana and Liz: We worked on broadway multiple times and have the littest vocals on the show. Dan: Let’s make Victoria the star! ⭐️ ⭐️ 🌟

[@nashnash3644]

Victoria looked like a star but her voice needed little practice .her character was hated a lot .which greatly affected her career.

[@wetstinkysocks2950]

I mean I liked her as Lola from zoey 101, she was more likeable in that. They probably should just made a Lola spin off show imo. I bet Dan made her the star because she probably give him a bunch of pictures of her feet UwU

[@eo0-g9j]

@@nashnash3644 what about her bullying scandal in zoey101

[@TheMrTobiasRieper]

@@eo0-g9j Was she ever mentioned in that? I know Nikolas said that Spears was a bully, but I don’t recall her saying anything about anyone else.

[@s.misfit143]

liz has the best voice

[@dogman683]

I knew something was special about Ariana Grande back then. Nickolodeon kept trynna put Victoria Justice as the star but when I heard Ariana and Liz Gilles perform the song "Give it up" I knew both of them had more talent than Victoria it was laughable. Not only that but Ariana's character for "Kat" was golden in the show. She played her character so well and had a huge fan base off just her character she played. Couple that with her musical talent and it's no wonder she ended up being bigger than the whole cast.

[@ipiinsih3655]

they had more experience in the industry it wasnt really fair for vic

[@dogman683]

@@ipiinsih3655 than why push for the less experienced talent. Ariana was prettier and more talented and more experience y not make her the star from the start? i think they chose Victoria bcuz she was skinny and Ariana had more meat on her.

[@joshentertainment2]

@@ipiinsih3655 nah the real reason is that ariana has more talent aka a better voice

[@alexmun7391]

@@ipiinsih3655 i still don’t understand why they chose victoria justice as the main character when she was one of the weaker singers on the show. she was singing with people who had much more powerful voices then her (jade, cat, andre, i don’t remember beck’s singing much but maybe him too.) liz and ariana were on BROADWAY and they decided not to promote one of them as the main popstar, despite both of them having the looks, voice, and experience to back it up?? it will never make sense to me edit: ahh, i completely forgot victoria justice was in zoey 101. i’m surprised that it didn’t come up in this video. it makes a lot more sense if victoria was already on a well known nick show before victorious.

[@ducky4499]

@@alexmun7391 Dan made the show for Victoria, I don’t think there were auditions for tori because of that

[@mc.chickenman6591]

This really shows how they don’t care about their actors unless they show is popular

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Nick pretty much doesn't care about any show unless it's SpongeBob

[@williamj.s.rodriguez4761]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 the spongebob effect

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@williamj.s.rodriguez4761 Speaking of which did you know that Nick apparently has a very high standard when it comes to cartoons. And by that I mean that a cartoon has to be instant success otherwise it will be k1lled off.

[@joeburreaux7953]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 That was only true during their 1995-2012 peak. Nick hasn't been profitable since 2014 so they don't have such high standards anymore.

[@TYGVlogger]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 Now Nick’s cartoons suck They’re cringe. I wanted to watch some cartoons to see how they look like today by they’re all suck with no sense of humor…

[@joshmendoza9273]

Awesome video bro. I’m 28 and almost cried realizing your correct about never having shows like those again. Kids these days won’t understand that was the peak of television when it came to kids shows.

[@HutchIsOnYT]

Sucks but they’ll have their own form of entertainment that will eventually fall into irrelevance that they will look back at like we do with television

[@Dr.Farewell]

Bro sounding like he’s 80

[@Kikiricki11]

@@Dr.Farewell That is because the times change quicker nowadays than back then, making 20-30 year olds nostalgic and mourning the old times eceb though they aren’t old. Yet, the times they had grown up in exist no more, giving them a good reason to feel that way.

[@ranianagrandrae]

im basically a child, and i still think victorious is one of the best kids shows ever

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

As someone who grew up with these shows and loved watching them I think we shouldn't praise these shows too much. Revisiting them shows you that they weren't really that great we are just blinded by nostalgia. Victorious has a writing which is all over the place, plots that go nowhere and is messy in general. Most their characters are one dimensional and flanderized.

[@CaribbeanCitizen]

I think for Victorious, even though Victoria Justice was clearly the main character, there was so much talent on that show that they could have pursued besides just Victoria, like Ariana obviously, but Elizabeth Gillies was also on Broadway and she had great vocals too and Leon Thomas is also incredibly talented. I think that for shows that try to push a musical act they typically have one performer, but Victorious had a lot and the biggest hits were never just Victoria's, Freak the Freak Out was huge, but so was Take a Hint, Give it Up and Song 2 U. I think part of what missed for Victoria Justice's music career is that the message wasn't uniform.

[@reannagordon]

Well at least Elizabeth acting career is great. Her show on Netflix seems to be doing very well

[@TYGVlogger]

Agree Also Leon Thomas was so underrated vocally and as a songwriter I want Liz to start a music career because she has potential

[@TYGVlogger]

@@reannagordon Yea! Also I saw that one of my classmate was watching it in class ahahahha

[@patrickfabsich2692]

I thin if Liz Giles want she could be a big singer but she choose acting she sings a few songs in dynasty per season so its okay. Ariana was also of the best singer she and Liz Giles are great! Only my option i think Victoris Justice has not such a powerfull voice then they two!!!

[@TYGVlogger]

@@patrickfabsich2692 Victoria wasn’t either that bad, but it was just a basic voice

[@vaaance710]

I think it's also that Disney is just better at finding and recognizing talents. Many singers who came out of Disney are incredibly talented, their music can stand their ground outside of the Disney shows. Nick was letting some foot fetish producer cast young girls bare footed. They had Ariana and casted her as a side character who's very dumb, when they should've recognized her talent and wrote a future superstar persona for her. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@GirlyEnglishGamer]

Omg I forgot about the foot fetish thing 😬😬

[@GeteMachine]

In an ironic way, it was better than Arianna hid her talent, because then when she came out, it felt more real and surprising, rather than if she was just promoted on Nick, she would just seem like a generic industry plant that we're just being told to like. Which is pretty much most of Nickolodein's artists. Like who actually was Big Time Rush other than a network formed group, compared to On Direction or the Jonas brothers?

[@sounds0fmeows]

yeah Disney's they're better at picking people for sure, the people that chooses are like people who could be news reporters..

[@mukkaar]

Yeah, and I think Disney just had planned strategy from beginning to end thought out. So they knew precisely who tho pick and what to do. While Nickelodeon was kind of fumbling around not going 100% with ant plan.

[@sounds0fmeows]

honestly if things were different with Ariana it might have turned out differently, she might not have posted those videos that got her recognized. and that Disney image could've tainted her mainstream image.. i'm glad that it worked out the way it did as nature intended.

[@chris42690]

Patrick is my motivation for drinking a gallon of water a day.

[@PatrickCc]

stay hydrated king

[@JMBBrasil]

Drinking too much is also bad for you.

[@duploduck]

@@JMBBrasil a gallon is not too much

[@theirishpotato6588]

@@duploduck I can confirm a gallon a day isn't too much.

[@quandaledinglell5671]

@@PatrickCc If spongebob dropped a album it would be the nick album ever

[@CamSeanoaTolls26]

Leon Thomas has been pretty successful, mostly behind the scenes but definitely has been successful.

[@CGFillertext]

Glad to see he won a Grammy for Gold Roses

[@FinancialAnna]

I think Disney has had small revivals here and there, especially with the Descendants series. But ultimately they knew cable was dying out and slowly started switching their audience to their Disney+ platform and started marketing towards the now adults who grew up with the channel, with shows like The Mandolorian and the new proud family. Their market is no longer kids overall.

[@nashnash3644]

They are are experimenting phase now and trying to figure out which audience is more preteens or adults.

[@charlieedwards4331]

I actually heard that Taina was a pretty popular show back then and Nick only ended up cancelling it because it got too expensive to produce

[@taylorvaden5675]

Right, the show was a pretty big deal back in the day

[@jeff.fliehman]

“i think we all sing” really ruined victoria justice

[@JRProductions1203]

Poor girl. 😞

[@sweetcreamnpeaches9577]

I remember watching the icarly and victorious combo episode and replaying the scene where Ariana sings “he didn’t say I couldn’t sing” over and over again because it was so good that I felt like a sailor being entranced by a siren

[@DreamsAreMakeBelieve]

Stop this is unlocking memories!!! Best performance on Victorious and it lasted two seconds!!

[@abathmatt]

Fun fact, Columbia records, and Atlantic records both passed on Ariana Grande; they both believe that she wouldn’t be a massive star.

[@williefaulker]

Now Atlantic is losing their artist lol

[@nashnash3644]

Maybe at that time Ariana didn't looked that promising.

[@ivywt]

lmao they probably cry themselves to sleep every night

[@rileyywhited]

Moral of the story: If you push people into the background, they’ll probably rise up and end up being more successful than you ever could have imagined.

[@wyrw]

I knew that Liz, Ariana and Leon were on Broadway before Victorious, but didn't realise how good they (girls) were until Give It Up. After that I always wondered why they didn't give more songs to Liz and Ariana. Also why (in the show) they always went to Tori when they needed a singer when there were better options.

[@destroylonely260]

Arianas smart got not signing with Nickelodeon + Columbia records. She didn’t have to do the songs they wanted her to do. So she signed with republic records! She did it all by herself if you ask me. She’s very smart for that

[@user-tk7hg6ty5q]

@D wasn't that atlantic?

[@mariuh5620]

she's smart, and does stick & pokes on herself. idk if that's a rumor, i dont even remember where i heard that lol

[@BrittanyH87]

Victoria has a decent voice, but Leon, Ariana, and Liz were definitely better vocalists. I understood that she was the star of the show, but it always bugged me that the co-stars didn’t get more chances to shine. For example, for their cover of “Don’t You Forget About Me” (from The Breakfast Bunch episode), Liz should have been the lead vocalist. She has that rock tone, as evidenced by her song “You Don’t Know Me.”

[@vicityy]

So it's basically Nick's fault every time, and not the artists' fault

[@PatrickCc]

it's nobody's fault. It is what it is

[@vicityy]

@@PatrickCc omg you replied! yeah i agree, btw i love your videos! all those spotify promo vids have helped me alot with my stuff

[@paniccpoint]

tbh i remember listening to victoria justice’s songs back then all the time 😂 my child mind was fully confident that she was more popular than anyone else and was known by the world, but one day i found out about how successful ariana had become and was shocked to say the least.

[@FraZzJ]

A lot of the actors were under contract to act a certain way, dress, etc. so they were limited in various ways. Look how they portrayed Ariana.

[@CherryBirthdayCake]

I LOVED Taina! The actress who played Taina is named Christina Vidal. She can be heard as the lead vocalist in Freaky Friday with Lindsay Lohan. I had no idea the show ran so short, though. I was in middle school when it came out. Taina was VERY reminiscent of That's So Raven, meaning the amount of time they spent in the halls at school. I mean it DIRECTLY could've been produced by the same company although Taina came out first. That's So Raven didn't come out until high school so yeah, similarities. Both were VERY GOOD shows.

[@generalbanana1885]

I can only imagine the Nick Execs glaring at Dan Schneider the second they heard Ariana Grande sing on Victorious. Just think, it could've been the "Ariana Grande Show" but instead Dan Schneider was all like "Hey, I worked with Victoria Justice on other shows, this means I must give her her own show!" and look how well that turned out for Victoria's singing career...Honestly, the most unbelievable episode of Victorious was that episode where Tori becomes a legit popstar, some music producer hears her audition tape and goes "THAT'S OUR STAR!" When Jade and Cat also sent in audition tapes that blew Tori out of the water.........as always.

[@adeponol]

I just don't think ariana would have made it as big if she was the main character

[@arielruby13]

i could easily see the same show but with Cat as the likeable main character and Tori as the kinda dumb but likeable 2nd main. It would work with some tweaks in the script. Possibly making Ariana have a role as Tori to keep the name of the show, or just get another name with a pun for Ariana.

[@SoulReaperSlayer19]

He thought Victoria looked better was all…

[@ivywt]

@@adeponol yeah i agree, that probably would’ve hurt her music career if they did that

[@handsanitizer5127]

I like Miranda's music. She has had a successful career, and I'm glad things worked out how they did.

[@amylee8969]

Maybe Miranda wasn't serious about being a singer. Maybe acting was her calling. I never watched icarly growing up but I supposedly hear she's back to doing that show.

[@handsanitizer5127]

@@amylee8969 she is. Unfortunately Jennette (aka Sam) isn't back, but we get why.

[@GeteMachine]

@@amylee8969 She ended her singing career due to breaking her leg on a tour bus and thus couldn't proform for a while and ended up falling out of relevance, but that and the fact her music was pretty generic and very manifactured. Nothig about it felt like it came from a vision or talent. That and her voice just sounds the same as her talking, just louder. Ther was just no way she could compete with Ariana.who is the opposite.

[@littlearies3862]

@@handsanitizer5127 Honestly, given the crap Jennette went through, I'm glad she hasn't came back for the spin-off. She didn't deserve any of the sht she had to go through.

[@handsanitizer5127]

@@littlearies3862 yeah. I love Sam and Seddie, but glad she stayed away.

[@retroklub_tv]

"Nickelodeon missed there Big Time" ahhh I see what you did there Patrick 👏

[@christinad4432]

Ariana has an unmatchable, amazing talent. She just so happened to be on a kids TV show. That's the difference between her and everyone else on Nickelodeon.

[@buggy627]

Something about Nickelodeon’s shows always seemed a little corny compared to Disney. Like lower quality despite having superior sets and production. Some of the music was ok but Disney just had far better music. Hannah Montana’s and high school musical songs were insanely catchy

[@nevermindgaming6848]

Tbh more People prefer nick over Disney the music is better and it's pretty obvious that the stars wrote the music also the shows were more edgier than Disney and wasn't affaird to make edgy jokes

[@betterthanyou.9530]

@@nevermindgaming6848 well no. More Disney stars had a hand in writing the music they sang than Nick stars. And commercially Disney stars tend to be on the more talented side when it comes to music as opposed to most Nick stars. With Disney the only subpar singers they’ve had were hilary duff, selena Gomez, and Debby Ryan. Outside of those three Disney stars tend to be pretty good vocally. Meanwhile with Nick you have almost everyone aside from keke Palmer, big time rush, and some of the victorious cast being subpar vocally. Especially these days with the “school of rock” show.

[@KRSonbe]

@@betterthanyou.9530 Lohan was a Disney star. Just saying.

[@betterthanyou.9530]

@@KRSonbe that’s right, Amanda Bynes was the nick star. Jeez that’s even worse for nick😬

[@kieranstark7213]

@@betterthanyou.9530 Actually, the way Nickelodeon treated Amanda Bynes with The Amanda Show (on set and even as a show) is even worse than AB herself. Like, WAY WORSE. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3iTaXyilLWKnsk m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4eTYYKCpaikaLM m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJXSg2OGis6aqpo

[@Wizard608]

Nickelodeon didn't back up Ariana, Ariana herself did everything in her influence to become the breakout star that she is today. She signed with a good record label, and released music that resonated with the general public. Too bad the other Nick acts didn't get the break that Ariana had. Nickelodeon really screwed up a lot of them.

[@lilwoodiewood3457]

No she didn't r u stupid she was supported by the big 3 they own the entire industry ... everybody in the charts is under the big 3 .. She was supported by billionaires omg what did she do herself ...

[@Deoece]

@@lilwoodiewood3457 she was supported cause she's actually talented? you're saying it like it's a bad thing lmao

[@cloudynguyen6527]

@@Deoece talented or not... without good exposure and self marketing, you would still be behind people a lot

[@Deoece]

@@cloudynguyen6527 no shit

[@lol-ot4pn]

@@Deoece She wasnt supported by Nick lol. In the industry talent can only get you so far. Luck plays a big ass role too.

[@DwayneIsKing]

Boyfriend by Big Time Rush is STILL a BOP. Ion care what anyone says 😭💀

[@musiclover_kb4913]

Oh hell yeah, damn right it is. That song slaps, they got freaking SNOOP DOGG on it

[@sofia-rp4yz]

any kind of guy by big time rush is their best song

[@Babylailaa]

@@sofia-rp4yz yessss

[@rufiredup90]

Agreed! I love this song so much and when it came out I didn’t even watch any of these Disney/Nick shows at the time. I was too old for them being 19-20 at that point but the song was such a bop I literally wrote about it in my diary. Lol. I love that Slumdog Millionaire, Twilight love affair line. Lmao.

[@musiclover_kb4913]

@@rufiredup90 Yo that is some cool shit

[@viviennequick3443]

Taina and Romeo are unlocking very specific memories for me that I had forgotten about until now. The opening to Taina is something I never thought I would forget, but this is all flooding back to me.

[@Marte0107]

I still go through phases every few years listening to the Victorious soundtrack. Like the songs are genuinely still good to my now 24 yr old ears and I so wish we got more Victorious music 😭

[@mr.goodboi2780]

I'm glad someone else feels this way I was just listening to the whole soundtrack a couple weeks back and it is legit great music.

[@raet6375]

I listen to every single Victorious and BTR song like monthly during a nostalgic breakdown lol

[@share_accidental]

they need to bring it back! the show never got a proper ending 😢

[@chimeiamv]

I remember loving to watch Ariana's covers on KZbin while Victorious was still airing because I couldn't get enough of her and wished they would have her sing more. I'm glad she got the fame she deserved for her amazing voice.

[@shaina8947]

Taina was made before I was born, but I used to love watching the re-runs when they randomly aired. I just found out that 3LW, a girl group that has 2 of the Cheetah Girls (Adrienne Bailon & Kiely Williams) guest starred in S1E2 of Taina :0. Then 2 years later their first movie aired on Disney channel

[@fantasyfiction101]

Where’s this show at?! I’d love to watch that.,

[@ezinne241]

I really loved Big Time Rush. Like in college listening to them all the time

[@GABA-Gool]

That Rugrats soundtrack went HARD. Rakim; Busta Rhymes, Mase, Black Street, No Doubt, quite a line up for a kids show soundtrack.

[@keaton_]

Taina was actually a great show. The reason I think it unfortunately failed was actually because the cast was primarily POC, and it was still during a time where diverse casting in tween shows usually didn’t get any real marketing. Had they put the same effort in Taina that they gave Sleazy Schneider’s many redundant projects, it may have been bigger than Lizzie McGuire.

[@BlockO008]

this

[@nitacarter8748]

I agree. Tania was a great show!

[@YoungChuy2398]

Bro I’ve never heard of that show at all lol but then again I was like 3 years old in 2001

[@BBardotMMonroe]

I was just about to comment thisssssssss ~

[@keaton_]

@Jasmine N. We had already been introduced to Raven Symone through The Cosby Show, so Raven was familiar to us who are around her age. Not only that, but That’s So Raven was Disney Channel and Disney had just come under fire at the time for trying to whitewash Lalaine (Miranda from Lizzie McGuire). Of course they didn’t want to have too big a reputation stain as racists in a growing politically correct climate.

[@swaet8671]

Taina was actually a very big show but I think it resonated more with the ethnic communities (black and latin) because most of the shows on both nick and disney didn’t have a poc lead

[@soooceecee9743]

I agree

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Now that I think about it pretty much all the stars that Disney made and that Nickelodeon tried to make were all white (aside from Selena Gomez)

[@swaet8671]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 yep. Although Selena is white passing. I guess you could say China Ann McCain had her little push but she doesn’t have fame like the others since Disney never made an effort to support her music. Zendaya is probably the biggest non-white who is big right now. The only other poc I can think of are Raven and Keke. But they were big before their Disney & Nick days

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@swaet8671 I think Zendaya is biracial though

[@fischlseyepatch]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 there was ant farm for Disney's part. Also lab rats

[@nickisashkir]

Disney used to have their stars in their commercials or have sneak peaks of their music acts. I remember on Disney they'll play a music video between tv shows and tell you the album is now available. Never recall Nick doing that at all.

[@lateramae]

Dude, Ariana Grande and Elizabeth Gillies were obviously much stronger singers than Victoria Justice. So, it was sad watching them not get as much attention as Victoria on 'Victorious.' Sure, they got some solos here and there (plus, Elizabeth got her own song), but Victoria was the only one getting her own songs.

[@gabi-bg4fn]

nickelodeon was focusing so much on victoria justice when characters like andre and jade had sooo much potential, and we don't even talk about ariana grande. they really missed out

[@acecashman1237]

I find it cool that Alex Wolff managed to make a successful transition into the horror genre, I can see him eventually developing into one of those horror actors that you immediately recognize whenever he shows up in in a horror film

[@travis_redfern6771]

honestly him and his brother Nat have become quite varied and successful actors while balancing music on the side. They've become one of the most impressive child star come ups

[@ashleyrubio3018]

Literally Elizabeth Giles, Ariana Grande and Lion Thomas III were all SIGNIFICANTLY more talented than victoria justice. Nick basically flopped hard on all 3 of them. If any of them signed with Disney instead we'd have a completely different musical era