The Popstar Factory: Manufactured by Disney

[@PatrickCc]

Watch the Nickelodeon Episode now kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnfCdaqGf9V_ldE

[@IncredibleLynx]

This was a great analysis for Disney and it really goes to show how domineering they were and arguably still are as a company. The Nickelodeon episode is even better. P. S. You should do an episode about Silento, the "watch me whip and nae nae" dude and exploring what happened to him.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@IncredibleLynx didn't he go to jail?

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Patrick you should consider doing a follow-up video where you discuss on why Disney Channel failed to make stars in the 2010s.

[@inyrui]

2 artists you forgot: Ally and Aj. Ally was in Phil of the Future and they had a short music career around when Hillary Duff did

[@andyfro6907]

Why you forgot Raven Symone and Bridgit Mendler

[@LLusion]

even though we were all aware of this, i’ve never realized how black and white their strategy was and the fact it was right in front of our faces lol. great vid brotha

[@rosemulet]

Saaaame such a good video

[@themeaningoflife1215]

i saw u on the mgk video

[@alphaomega9993]

Omg LLusion I love youuuuu

[@unofficialbeautyqueen6624]

@@themeaningoflife1215 which video was that

[@themeaningoflife1215]

@@unofficialbeautyqueen6624 machine gun kelly video that was trending

[@linaaviles1971]

You forgot that Ryan Goslin was also with Britney, Justin and Christina. Even if he doesn’t have a music career. The casting directing struck gold.

[@Uhohlisa]

Dead Man’s Bones

[@Beetlejuicer]

I was mad confused when he didn't point ryan out LMAO

[@megamegapop12]

@loveutill theendoftimes could have forgotten the h. That's a way it could be worse.

[@linaaviles1971]

@loveutill theendoftimes ever heard of Auto Correct?

[@simpleplanfan011]

@loveutill theendoftimes sad I didn’t see this before the edit lol

[@lorepeeters]

The fact that Disney tried SO HARD after Miley, Demi and Selena but somehow never made it even though the next generation was talented af is still beyond me. Bridget Mendler, Zendaya, Ross Lynch, Olivia Holt, Dove Cameron, Sabrina Carpenter,…. they made good music even outside their shows but somehow never really broke out like the other girlies. The fact that Olivia did proves that it’s better for them to go outside of Disney from the get go when it comes to music and take creative control straight away, instead of being held down by the picture perfect Disney girl image and the Disney approved songs that go with that

[@dia.96]

In the case of Bridget and Zendaya they just decided to do other stuff. Zendaya didn't like the music industry and Bridget wanted to study (i think she even has a phd now). Bella Thorne also choose to not do the music thing, she also talked about how they wanted to market her as a Rachel McAdams type but she didn't want that either.

[@fardiachowdhury9758]

Abt zendaya, even though she didn't become a pop star, she's a respected and acclaimed actress and even won an emmy and is part of the mcu!

[@lorepeeters]

@@fardiachowdhury9758 absolutely! She’s doing incredible things with her acting! I was talking mostly about the actress turned mega pop star trope Disney used to do and how that didn’t exactly work with these people. Doesn’t take away they don’t have thriving careers in other fields ☺️

[@kgaming5977]

Ross Lynch would have been on bar with Harry Styles, Shawn and JB if he had left his family band early. Such a wasted potential.

[@mxhsvn_b7866]

Ngl bridget would have but she chose to not stay in the limelight

[@benplsek5760]

Not to mention Ryan Gosling was also in that season with Justin, Britney, and Christina... INSANE

[@heartzform3shyz]

So was J. C Chaze from Nsync

[@catholicdieselmechanic]

He’s literally me

[@sarahbeck7165]

And Keri Russell

[@AdamOBrien29]

He's in the picture, don't know how he doesn't see him lol

[@michaelsteven1090]

Oh my gawd!..You must be devastated! 😭🤣

[@taraphipps3813]

Had Disney kept Britney, Christina, and Justin, their careers wouldn't have went as far as they had. You think Britney, you think of toxic, baby one more time, oops i did it again, etc. Justin had sexyback, what goes around comes around, rock your body, etc. Christina had a more "tame" discography, but she still had dirrty, lady marmalade, burlesque, etc. Those are the songs that shaped them as artists and boosted their careers. Disney would have NEVER given them the chance to release those songs. Disney could have made them stars, but they could not have made them the global icons they were and are today. I think of Demi, Miley, Selena, Ariana, etc. and I don't associate them with disney or nickelodeon anymore. In their case, their shows are what started and catapulted their careers, but I associate them with their more mature bodies of work they released later on, and think of Disney/Nick as being just a little rough bump they had to go through to get where they are today.

[@hollyrose2418]

Exactly

[@Morgan.Madsen]

Literal genius

[@tr33main]

I think this is why all those stars got big upon leaving disney, and those that stayed like Selena struggle even in to the current year.

[@landonle3308]

@@tr33main Selena music career is actually pretty decent rn. Not as big as here Disney days but her music career has always been solid. I think she more focus on acting more so than music anyways

[@ScoobyandShaggy5554]

@@tr33main Selena is huge, more Hispanic followers but she’s doing very well. Selena did take a step back but she’s very successful and tame

[@eee9266]

Meanwhile at Nickelodeon: ignores the potential of a particular supporting actress who eventually becomes bigger than anyone Disney has produced

[@fredriks5090]

@Mia Broekmans Grandayy

[@ht-si1lr]

@Mia Broekmans Giancarlo "Pete The Dolphin" Grande

[@ruggedobserver4987]

@@BD-yp3ew Not really

[@kissconsider]

Nick ignored adventure time which went on to basically revitalize cartoon network, and technically they also missed out on Drake's success if you count Degrassi as a Nick property

[@lucianoalonso4389]

Did you seriously forget about Big Time Rush?

[@Cupofkorea]

I think Olivia owes a lot of her success to TikTok. You can reach millions of people worldwide in a matter of days. And all being forced to listen to the music of their fyp. Where I was listening to Disney music my brothers in their teens weren’t. But now a days with TikTok people of all ages are listening to the same song in multiple videos catered to their taste

[@couturend]

what songs trend on tiktok can be manipulated. it´s not all organic as people think it is...there was a report about it

[@livie2907]

@@couturend and a lot of songs trend on tiktok after a long time from when it got released

[@s_e_ss]

@@livie2907 yeah but also is a strategy that big companies use is waiting till a song start doing well to pop them up on tiktok

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@couturend alfo media has a really great video about this

[@couturend]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 thanks will check it out

[@talkingwithkayla]

I think it would’ve been good if you also mentioned Raven Symone. She set the standards for most Disney girls alongside Hilary Duff. Before HSM, you had The Cheetah Girls franchise which was wildly successful in the early to mid 2000s. Also China Ann Mcclain, Dove Cameron with Descendants, and Coco Jones

[@chelsea_gr8]

I'm surprised The Cheetah Girls wasn't mentioned at all. Miley literally toured with TCG to promote Hannah Montana.

[@Diamond_Doodles]

it even effected the kids who grew up past that! I barely caught the end of the hype but as a kid i still new they were very prominent in Disney culture lol

[@CB____]

Raven Symone was the Miley Cyrus for black girls of the 00s and then Zendaya and China Anne McLain picked up the pieces left behind when she left

[@tanjuml.2713]

And Ross Lynch!

[@murasakino101]

I agree, I thought the cheetah girls would be mentioned too. I was born on 00 but I was still able to know them before they weren't as talked about. That's so Raven was my most watched Disney show before Hannah Montana and even when HM came out, I was still watching it lol

[@Swirlingflame]

Fun fact: Jessie J, the British popstar, actually wrote "Party In the USA", and she says that song alone paid for her house >.< talk about a songwriter's ultimate daydream lol

[@goldranger5182]

Everyone knows that

[@alamaaya2335]

yess

[@audrablue515]

Personally, I like Weird Al's parody of the song, Party in the CIA. It's hilarious and very clever.

[@offspring9463]

@@goldranger5182 cool but not everyone

[@COVID--kf3tx]

@@goldranger5182 I didn't know lol

[@victoriab637]

Making kid-friendly pop music isn't really as "cool" or profitable as it once was. This conflicts with the Disney Channel's values as a company. They had to stop because it doesn't work anymore.

[@PatrickCc]

yeah thats fair. Social media has redefined what is "cool"

[@0912sooli]

@@Jinaria101 BOOOMER ALERT

[@jeremysworld3061]

@@Jinaria101 balls 2 also. POC and LGBTQ people aren't inherently political you're just irrelevant go watch leave it to beaver or something

[@parkchimmin7913]

@@Jinaria101 Wanting diversity in media is political...?

[@parkchimmin7913]

@@Jinaria101 Fair. I understand the criticism. But at the same time, can’t it be possible to focus on both good character writing AND diversity? Why must it be one or the other? Minorities groups are so often underrepresented in media and even if they get representation, it’s often in form of a stereotype or they’re being villainous. By perpetuating these stereotypes in media, the same (often toxic) stereotypes will be applied to a group of people. REAL people.

[@naylani7790]

Also, can we talk about how the Cheetah Girls were basically a catalyst for all of the other Disney channel original movie musicals?

[@lalaland2107]

Omg... Never thought of it like this. To me, it was High School Musical.

[@naylani7790]

@@lalaland2107Before HSM premiered 3 years after, TCG broke records and made history for not only Disney but TV period….There’s an article online titled “How ‘Cheetah Girls’ Paved The Way For Disney Channel’s Future Musical Movies” and it breaks down everything🙂

[@tomlawal7991]

@@lalaland2107 But you can argue HSM is the only ever show to go from Disney Channel Original Movie to an actual Disney Movie

[@lalaland2107]

@@naylani7790 damn!!! That's so interesting

[@person8520]

@@lalaland2107 the cheetah girls were a actual singing group tho

[@withrihem7660]

i believe Disney missed on Olivia just like they did with Brittany i remember when Olivia's show was airing Disney had the worst views ever literally nobody was watching the channel and i think they realized that and turned thier focus to Disney plus, which gave Olivia a chance to get a deal with a real company. also we can't forget the TikTok impact on her music sorry for any mistakes English isn't my first language

[@laurel9095]

But Olivia was also on the Disney show HSM the series. That’s basically where she started to get recognition

[@TheBabouc]

Although he's not a musician, Ryan Gosling was also in the Mickey Mouse Club, he's the one next to Britney and he also became mega successful, coincidence? I think not! I see you Mouse! I know what you are!

[@OfficialVarsityDropout]

Hey had a band as a side project! I can’t remember their name off the top of my head but their music was really good!

[@migscapo]

👁

[@BRMF]

@@OfficialVarsityDropout dead man’s bones

[@jamXD]

I suspected that was him!

[@OfficialVarsityDropout]

@@BRMF yes!

[@justdance4750]

Tbh Zendaya could’ve gotten just as big, just look at her single ‘Replay.’ But she knew to distance herself from Disney, and pursued her own thing… and today she’s making movies with Marvel, etc., she’s pretty damn well-off. And at no loss of mental health and exploitation many female stars faced under large corporations. Her team knew damn well what they were doing. I’m biased for sure, but all those stars (female ones specifically) had some sort of mental break trying to break free of their roles from Disney…

[@lilxtasy4936]

look at little mj junior, she doesnt cry

[@sadi215]

Marvel is owned by Disney though

[@shaina8947]

@@sadi215 omg she lowkey went full circle then lol..

[@Arnostic]

She still works for Disney and never left lmao

[@omarslayz]

@@shaina8947 technically yeah but she’s more respected now because of marvel and other movies and shit and at least marvel will let you say things that mature audiences like

[@Cla226]

"You can role play as a teen for so long" unless you are Jason Earles, he is inmortal.

[@unemilifleur]

I’d say Thomas Brodie-Sangster. He has to wear a mustache to look a day over 15. And even then. The dude is 31.

[@Jetthawkunlimited]

@@unemilifleur He voiced Ferb in Phineas and Ferb

[@r4ls3i7]

what about tony hawk

[@theawantikamishra]

@@unemilifleur Is he the actor from Queen's Gambit

[@unemilifleur]

@@theawantikamishra yeah he’s in that, and also in The Labyrinth and in Game of Thrones

[@pirate_bassist]

I would say an honorable mention is Ross Lynch from Austin and Ally. Honestly that show helped launch R5 (the band he was in,, 2 of their songs were on the 1st season soundtrack) and even though they broke up in 2018 and split from Hollywood Records due to creative and image differences, he's still making music as The Driver Era with his brother and he's still acting.

[@lauraryan7460]

RIP to Ryan Gosling, he’s not dead, he’s just not a singer

[@thanosmaster-abel559]

At least he got a small part in La La Land lol, yes he played piano more but still sang a bit

[@alikayyal9050]

@@thanosmaster-abel559 it has been a really long time since I have seen LaLa Land but as fair as I remember he did sing a lot in the movie. He is really good dancer too.

[@sicksadw0rld]

he is actually. he’s got a band called dead man’s bones.

[@rufflesthegreat2264]

You mean that guy from bladerunner and drive

[@joshuasanders2123]

And Shia Leboeuf from even Steven’s got into acting!

[@joses.m.43]

Damn... you completly ignored Raven Symone and The Cheetah Girls. Cheetah Girls, even without Raven, went to have an album outside the movie franchise and three world tours

[@phylliskimani6893]

right!!

[@angelg9981]

Cheetah licious Xmas still my jam

[@PrinceDonArt]

Maybe he didn’t count her because Raven was already successful as an actress before Disney. Her come up was different but I do agree he shoulda mentioned the cheetah girls because the formula was still similar

[@Jenny-tm3cm]

Cheetah girls omg that takes me back. I love those songs

[@venuslove-i1v]

@@PrinceDonArt Jonas Brothers was successful before Disney as well. That's actually why they got their own show.

[@vanessagutierrez3432]

Zendaya has spoken out about not pursuing a music career due to a bad contract. She has vocals but chooses not to go down that path. She encourages young actors & artist to read their contract, study & understand it.

[@nella8555]

She never had a good voice tho

[@chizmok5093]

@@nella8555 she actually has a nice tone and a decent range which is adequate popstar material

[@ms.wilson6439]

@@nella8555 it was okay.

[@fiveotree_]

I’m gonna, I’m g-g-g-onna swag it out

[@gamepool8517]

@@nella8555 have you listened to something new?????no you are just a hater, period!🤣

[@j8760]

Hilary Duff has said that it was actually her idea and passion to pursue music, and Disney wasn't too crazy about it at first.

[@Nikketmzee]

So she really laid out the blueprint for the typical Disney star to know how to act and sing ! Lol

[@svrsl7819]

@@Nikketmzee you mean know how to """act""" and """sing"""

[@sarahroddey2937]

Calling it a factory is so painfully accurate because in Demi Lovato's newest documentary they were saying that they literally filmed the camp rock movie and then immediately went on your to promote it, got home and started recording an album, then went on tour for that album, got home and immediately started filming Sonny the TV show, then went on tour for that album, etc.

[@jdmga1]

Radio Disney was huge in keeping the songs in kid's heads. They didn't need traditional means of promotion for their own content. Wild stuff.

[@AB-sm1qf]

People underestimate Radio Disney. That was escape to listen to while doing homework or chores. I didn’t know anyone my age at the time that wasn’t listening to it, regardless of what they looked like. A lot of people think it was just rich suburban white kids listening when at the time, they honestly targeted every audience. So we all ended up talking and becoming friends with one another in a way that wasn’t common before. I think it’s one reason why so many of us loved Disney growing up. The only time Disney became less interesting was when it became mostly very white after 2010 to the point that it wasn’t as fun to look at anymore.

[@tr33main]

I remember Radio Disney would also constantly play short versions of the songs during ad breaks which kept it in kid's heads even more.

[@toastEDmrshmello09]

Radio Disney we’re all ears! C’mon everybody do the hamster dance! Lol

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Speaking of Radio Disney, remember when Fall Out Boy was on the Radio Disney Music Awards? And when they were in Big Hero 6? And they got P!ATD for Frozen 2? Next thing you know Disney probably will get MCR or Paramore for their next animated movie.

[@teti9087]

Omg I totally forgot Radio Disney was a thing.. unlocked memories I forgot existed

[@nickit7655]

I think Disney has realized that adolescents just don’t watch “kid” shows like they used to. I watched Disney channel well into my teens, but I don’t think teens these days would really watch those kind of shows, or watch much TV at all. They’re busier watching TikTok and other stuff on social media. You get a show now like High School Musical the Series which yes, has a trash name, but it’s clearly written as something more for grown fans of HSM than for actual teens.

[@allie6324]

i think the names fun to say, i like it plus free promo if everyones talking about how hard it is to say 😭

[@nevehughes6111]

As a teen currently, I can say that in general we watch A LOT of tv, but we basically binge whatever we're watching and it's all stuff from streaming services. Like, compared to when I was a kid and actually watched kid shows on tv, now I just binge multiply shows at once. Also, the popular "teen" shows now are all super dark compared to old teen shows, like, when I think of teen shows now I think of Netflix or CW. But also you're right in the fact that there are a lot of times we just watch youtube or tiktok. I can only speak for people around me and myself so obvs it does differ a bit depending who you talk to and where you go, but this is my insight

[@nickit7655]

@@nevehughes6111 Right, I just can't imagine most teens these days binging sitcoms on Disney Plus. When I was a teen (10-12 years ago) it wasn't uncommon for people my age to be watching Glee, iCarly, and Hannah Montana all in the same week.

[@nevehughes6111]

@@nickit7655 I think you'd be surprised. I know plenty of people with Disney+ who binge show on it (including hsmtmts and glee) as well as cartoons, maybe not on Disney but they are targeted towards kids. Maybe not the same shows as 10 years ago, but mostly because there are just other shows now. Also for people like me who are late teens, we still kinda grew up on hsm and some of those 2000s shows. I know a lot of people who watch more kid targeted shows as well as adult targeted shows, I think it's just more a case of we binge TV a lot and there's so much out there available that we aren't limited to channels

[@StevenTyler94]

The first season of that show was geared toward fans of the movie. The second season felt way more kid-ish and was a huge step down.

[@byerage]

I remember when Miley's Cant Be Tamed album came out. Loved the song and my grandmother hated it so much! I didnt even realize that album coincided with Miley's desire to distance herself from Disney, (i was literally 9 when all this happened lol) but it makes soooo much sense!! Good for her!!!

[@tyrelbass]

Disney was so good at making their stars marketable and the face of their company. Most of them just couldn’t handle that much fame at a young age.

[@YenellyT]

They were literally so overworked and working with people that were not so safe to have around children, Demi was literally raped by someone who worked at Disney as a child which is so sad.I’m sure Disney was just worried about money not about their well being which is why so many of them lashed out to leave

[@tyrelbass]

@@YenellyT yea Demi was in an unfortunate situation, but I wouldn’t say they were overworked, majority of actors from kids shows say their time on set was fun and it didn’t even feel like work. Even skye Jackson in a recent video she made that everyone always had a great time and and she would often hang out with the cast of other shows cause they filmed in the same lot , and everyone would get together and play basketball or something when they weren’t shooting. Now maybe Selena , Miley and Demi probably had a Bigger load on their shoulders because they were pushed as the role models, were the leads of their own shows and they had to keep up with they’re music careers. Even tho they were young , without all that hard work they probably wouldn’t have been as successful as they became and till this day they still a lot more relevant compared to other Disney stars. And others that had bad experiences were put into the industry by their parents and didn’t even really have the passion to be in the entertainment business to begin with like jennet Mccurty. The media doesn’t help either when they make minor things that most teens do seem like a bigger deal just because they play a innocent character on tv, that adds to the pressure for some people.

[@person8520]

@@YenellyT that’s not Disney’s fault she was raped tf without Disney they would be nothing period Disney made them dance lessons vocal lessons period

[@person8520]

@@YenellyT also just like Hillary duff they could have left at any time

[@pretty_okaka]

@@person8520Uh it is definitely Disney's fault . They should have put measures in place to protect their actors, especially if most of them happen to be kids and teens. It's not a coincidence that most of their actors later on come out with stories of abuse of some sort. But does Disney learn a lesson? NO!

[@golbinnom]

Living through the 2008-2010 disney era as a kid was crazy

[@kevinrosario2729]

Disney Channel peaked during this era

[@trinity9020]

frrr

[@itsaperfectionist4158]

I remember watching the debut of several of the shows and movies mentioned. It makes me feel so old now. It didn't feel like it had all happened almost 15 years ago

[@theofficialVEVOformu]

2002 -2010 actually that was Disney’s golden years

[@moonbeeps]

Wouldn't say crazy.

[@huhuhuhurricanestreamwow7937]

Ashley tisdale was SOOOO underrated. she deserved better. headstrong was such an iconic album. warner was the one who supported ashley not hollywood. hollywood records adopted vanessa.

[@imjoiry]

facts.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

I loved Ashley’s music and yes the album Headstrong so underrated! Love that album! My favorite is Suddenly.😇😍

[@extrashotofespresso_]

@@andreasmeelie1889 suddenly is a beautiful song. It used to make me cry for some reason lol. I also really loved he said she said.

[@goldranger5182]

She is too Britney thats why she dindnt make it

[@Vkpz]

he said she said was a BOP.

[@brayanvillanueva7527]

I'm surprised that he didn't talk more about Shake it Up and Austin & Ally. Those two shows gave us hits after hits each season and most episodes were always entertaining. Ross Lynch and Laura Maurano were releasing good hits during and after the show was airing.

[@morighani]

because no one cared about them

[@mari.art1999]

I'm so so glad I grew up with this disney era, the hsm-miley-selena-demi-jb era. It was amazing. I remember each one of these releases (except for the lizzie mcguire one, I was too young at the time). I remember when hm aired, when all the hsm movies aired, I remember voting for miley to make an appearance in hsm2, I have all the debut albums of these artists including hillary duff's 😍😍

[@Honey-rp6zx]

The last clear memory I have of my now dead aunt was us watching the high school musical 2 premier. She made popcorn and we sat and watched it. We loved it, I didn’t know she would die two weeks later. It really was such a nostalgic and fun time. We will never have anything like that again. Especially with the rise of Disney plus.

[@rachelmarion7161]

@@Honey-rp6zx so sorry for your loss

[@itskitty808]

Girl, I remember Lizzie McGuire, as I was part of that era! Oh, it was such a wonderful time! I miss that era.

[@ohblobby]

i wish i could've experienced this. alas i was too young.

[@anonymousanonymous6045]

Right I was born in 1999 and I experienced all of that but I do remember Lizzie McGuire because my sister was born in 94 and was a huge Hilary Stan. My son was born in 2019 and I sometimes think about how he would have never experienced any of what I experienced as a child.

[@stuffmaniacs]

Olivia's fame from disney is reminiscent of Ariana Grande's fame from nickelodeon in the sense that both artists were noticed and signed by other labels despite their talents being showcased on their original shows. The only difference is that Olivia played a major role in HSMTMTS while Ariana didn't get a single solo on Victorious.

[@greyoji]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Raven, That’s so Raven broke many records and was bigger than Hannah Montana at one point and the Cheetahs girls paved the way for a a lot Disney musicals

[@goldenovaries]

Exactly

[@the.artist72263]

Right! Raven was THE original Disney Channel it girl. The Miley blueprint came from Raven

[@JaneDoe-ob9dr]

It might be because of how nasty she turned out. She literally complained about being over sexualized since she was on the Cosby's as a kid, and is now repeating the process as an adult on her new show.

[@writteninstars]

THIS!!

[@arcyarcanine]

@@the.artist72263 Hilary Duff was that.

[@_anamilano]

Dude I appreciate the work that goes into these videos, you’re doing so much it’s amazing. I never knew half of these things, it’s so insane to think about.

[@katnile5472]

Aly & AJ? Idk how their album did, but potential Breakup Song was everywhere in the early 2000s. That song is still good today!

[@RR-js4nl]

Aly & AJ aren’t famous outside the US and outside of the 2000s. All the others in this video are famous world wide still up to this day.

[@felipe-zm8yd]

theyre making cool indie poo nowadays, i love their stuff

[@jetfan925]

*late 2000s

[@PatrickCc]

honorable mention but not nearly on the same level

[@jennilopez5682]

@@RR-js4nl yep, also the cheetah girls

[@hellformichelle]

Another interesting fact to look at is just the larger awareness of how a lot of labels mistreat and exploit new talent. Taylor Swift, for example, is very vocal about artists' rights to their work. That self-advocacy didn't exist in the 2000s/early 2010s, so it was much easier for Disney to milk their stars. Olivia Rodrigo owns her masters and insisted on it because she saw how others were screwed over, and I'm sure the mouse would've never given her that

[@anyssamoya1559]

That's a really good point. I think with the rise of social media, a more "progressive" media, and even youtube video essays like this one have all contributed to this sort of demystification of the entertainment industry. I mean, Britney Spears has been all over the news recently, not because of new music, but because of a legal case that is a clear example of how these huge popstars can be exploited and controlled. As you said, aritsts have more self-advocacy than before, and even fans are more aware and sympathetic to the artists they support. I did not know Olivia owned her masters, that's great! I know at one point The Weeknd had exactly that advice to new artists starting out: own your work.

[@SR-zv5ue]

Taylor Swift is not the first artist to talk about and being exploited for music. There were many artists that were vocal and huge who talked about being explolited from their labels that were bigger names than her. Prince, TLC, Toni Braxton, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey. Taylor really didn't do anything special in terms of getting artists progressive record deals. It's just about having a good lawyer at the end of the day and how bankable you are as an artist.

[@mayevie]

what does "owns her masters" mean? my mind is thinking a masters degree but she's 18 so i doubt that's it 😅

[@SR-zv5ue]

Additionally Taylor made a lot of money on her music unlike the artists listed above.

[@abrielle13]

@@SR-zv5ue They never said she was the first. She's just helped put a spotlight on it because she has a huge platform.

[@Jmv2.0]

Selena was definitely the last stronghold when it came to shows and music for Disney. Wizards finale was one of the most watched and then her Stars Dance album did pretty well. Obviously Demi was super successful with Disney but her show ended by 2010 and she kinda fell down after she left Hollywood records- I feel like Selena had the most smooth transition out of the three cause she was the most followed person on Instagram for a very long time (until like 2019 but she’s still top 5) and she didn’t have an overly sexualized era or a scandalous era like both miley and Demi had .

[@Ashley-km4qi]

Selena’s music was not the stronghold. If anything it’s Miley by a landslide. Don’t you remember how big Hannah Montana was? All her tours sold out quickly and her albums were number 1 in the country for a while. And Selena is heavily manufactured with her music, she doesn’t write any of it and all her songs cater to the pop scene when Miley and Demi have taken a different route.

[@Naahi95]

@@Ashley-km4qi I think you miss the part when she said "the *last* stronghold", not "the".

[@Ashley-km4qi]

@@Naahi95 she still wasn’t the stronghold

[@Cfts22]

Demi “fell out” by 2010 because they went to rehab that same year. It basically stopped the trajectory their career with Disney was going in. Fortunately they maintained their fame with their music when they came back and had more creative control over their music

[@chayeshasingha]

@@Ashley-km4qi idk if u can actually properly read but she said "THE LAST STRONGHOLD"

[@blaketaylor9850]

I know this is more music focused but Ryan gosling was also on that cast with Justin , Brittany and Christina. That cast was pretty legendary.

[@petitnicollas]

Zendaya seems to be one of the most talented young artist that worked at Disney, even though she didn't follow the same path as the others.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Yeah she seems to have a better career in acting than in music

[@prodjoshkta]

She was the best actress out of all of them.

[@snowflakes7344]

She tried her hand at music for a while, but realized she liked acting better

[@lilxtasy4936]

look at little mj junior, gonna cry?

[@rafifariq8527]

@@lilxtasy4936 Stings doesnt it??

[@tspopstar512]

I can’t be the only one who thinks Olivia rodrigo overnight success came from a rich business man in a suit who said “she’s gonna happen” and then pressed a button and she was everywhere

[@kait7404]

Nah but definitely happening with these tiktokers

[@victoriab637]

that's an overly simplified way to say that she's an industry plant, but a lot of people would agree.

[@hj6431]

Tiktok maan

[@nilssjoberg1075]

Taylor's backing her help a little in some ways, since medias left and right putting a spotlight on her being a taylor swift fan and one of the biggest fandom of course she's a swiftie - so majority of swifties hyping her up on social media really boost her name and music.

[@pretendfriend1417]

Course. Lol.

[@lordjreen]

I feel like another reason everything seemed to end in the early 2010s is because my generation (late 90s - early 00s kids) were starting to grow out of our own Disney era. I was heading into middle school by then and had stopped watching Disney and started watching shows targeted more towards older teens and even young adult shows. But yes, the growth of social media and popularity of smartphones definitely contributed a lot, too.

[@mynameisreallycool1]

The same happened to me. I started to find myself not nearly as interested in the newer Disney shows once I was in 6th grade. Occasionally, I'd watch an episode of a show that I had already started watching and enjoying when I was younger, like Good Luck Charlie or Wizards of Waverly Place, but I tried to get into watching shows like Ant Farm, Jessie, and Shake It Up, but I just couldn't enjoy them. It's not that the shows are bad, but I was officially coming to terms with the fact that I was now "old".

[@gabrielzzz12345]

True

[@marlene2805]

@@mynameisreallycool1 yes exactly! I would still watch ant farm, jessie, GLC, and other shows released during that time and would enjoy them for the most part, but they weren't as good IMO compared to HM and wizards. So once THOSE shows ended I really stoped watching

[@anafolie471]

also it should be mentioned that in that gap, while Disney US wasn't doing anything, Disney LATAM was constantly trying to put artists out. Disney LATAM had peter punk which was basically the story of Peter trying to be big with his band, then there was Violetta which basically created one of Argentina's currently biggest singers, Brazil had que talento that was a series to promote College 11 that was a duo signed to Disney. And it also had Soy Luna which was kinda like violetta

[@brayanvillanueva7527]

I was born in 2001 and in 2013 everyone i knew was in their whole teen beach movie phase at 12 and 13 years old.

[@vh2802]

as a kid i always thought getting on a disney show was the golden ticket to stardom back in the early 2000s. i remember they always had the sweepstakes where you can actually meet the celebrities n go on a cruise or something.

[@Heyitsann]

The impact of Alex on Wizard of Waverly Place was enormous, she literally shaped the Gen Z

[@Naahi95]

She's iconic, probably the best disney protagonist imo

[@panda22518]

Um no

[@fakename8713]

@@panda22518 um yes

[@panda22518]

@@fakename8713 Raven: am I a joke to you??

[@ixzhel3699]

12 y/o me literally took her personality

[@alxisl]

Olivia said herself: She told Disney she didnt want to have her record contract with them as she wanted to express herself however she wanted

[@talksweet5397]

I'm convinced that in order for her to be successful to gen z kids, Disney actually asked her and is going to ask its new stars to pretend they aren't releasing music under Disney and have their own "creative control". This is the exact narrative that would make her seem edgy and not just some kid in the Disney machine. So you are expressing exactly what Disney wants you to express and makes it more likely for everyone to listen to her. I mean, isn't it odd that everyone knows about her little "rebellious" attitude about signing under a Disney contract? Seems like its being overly marketed as part of her image.

[@seb______]

@@talksweet5397 very interesting take. And also coincidentally, hayley williams helped worked on a couple songs I think with Olivia Rodrigo and one of those songs sound kinda like a Paramore song. Which Paramore is more known as like this pop rock punk band

[@PrincessNana08]

@@talksweet5397 Kinda far fetched in my opinion. That sounds like some conspiracy theory lmao first of all it isn't that weird to market her creative control over her songs(and its not that hard to believe that she DOES have creative control when she's been posting her songs on her social media before hsmts was even a thing). Plus she's signed under greffen records.

[@PrincessNana08]

@@seb______ It sounds alike because they use the same chord progression. The same chord progression that hundred other songs also use.

[@rafaelalbiter6923]

@@PrincessNana08 yes, for example boulevard of broken dreams- Green day and We are never ever ever getting back together- Taylor swift

[@ca-ke9493]

While HSM cast didnt go on to become pop stars, I'd argue HSM itself made a much bigger impact, especially on international markets. I remember so many kids were trying to dance All in this together and its really nostalgic for my generation. Kinda was a precursor to kpop dance videos.

[@charlesintune]

To me, HSM WAS the beginning of it all. It swept the nation, even for teenagers like myself at the time. Everything that came after it was part of that hype train and no one knows why HSM was lightning in a bottle, it just WAS.

[@darliasijour2467]

Not a precursor to it since kpop has been there even way before (if anything it was inspired by some jpop before growing into its own thing iirc) but i guess that's the closest thing we got that's still iconic to millenials 🤔 as spice girls was to other gens and even the more risqué PCD lol

[@triadwarfare]

I remember during high school, when we were given group assignments to make a musical, we all went with HSM, even if I never fully watched it at that time

[@sofia-rp4yz]

kpop dance videos was just inspiration from black artists like janet jackson etc not hsm 😭.

[@oqeufh]

We had to do a All in this together dance routine at school. HSM for me came out just at the right moment, I was 7-8 years old and it was the one thing everyone in my class was talking about. After that of course my interest in dance routines and music in general (especially music in English from Disney) peaked. So for me HSM was indeed the beginning, what a time…

[@KP_Gem]

I'm obsessed with these videos. I'm on a Patrick Cc binge rn. Someone help me.. I can't stop

[@NyceDreamz]

I'm right with you

[@dxk65]

I think what sets Olivia apart though is she's thriving in the modern age of the internet. Like once she reaches a certain point (and may already be there), she won't need Disney, they'll need her.

[@DR-fc1ey]

at this point shes cut all ties with disney, minus her finishing the last parts of her show and thats it. after that she has 0 ties to disney

[@omarslayz]

@@DR-fc1ey yeah only her acting career is with disney which many people have already forgotten about so she just needs to finish the shows contract and she’s free from the mouse

[@killerqueen9120]

Oh trust me, Disney doesn’t need anyone

[@katgreer6113]

@@killerqueen9120 Exactly. They always find new ways to make money.

[@rlj5385]

@Kirsten A like every other big artist

[@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspss]

Small artist can make a HUGE difference with let say a 2000$ for promoting or better producing their songs. Now imagine a whole multi billion dollars company is backing up your music, it’s actually a surprise that these artists are only with this popularity considering how much it helps to have a whole company supporting your career

[@tyrelbass]

Popularity can only take you so far when it comes to music , you still have to consistently drop top 25 billboard hits to say relevant . Even with lots of money and promo that’s tuff to do. Plus it’s hard to get the mainstream to listen to pop music targeted towards kids

[@PatrickCc]

Sup Pack! Trying to expand the content a little bit here. Still deep dive research based content but seeing how well I can do outside of hip hop or rap. Let me know what you think and as always DRINK WATER 💧

[@PLAYSSO2600]

Water pack

[@rayannaherron8838]

What about a review about Tik Tokers? 😀

[@dontejackson9462]

love ya insight bro, stopped recording to sit through this. Keep going hahah💦 😩

[@OFCR1]

I reckon you should just go for it and get into other music genres too

[@simonvegas793]

Real banger again mate. My second comment in a row. You're deffo doing something right! ;o) Keep this direction up. I like it. You're a very engaging storyteller. Those 10,000 hours paid off.

[@jollofricechicnyc5589]

I cannot believe how manufactured my childhood was. I want a disney plus star era before I become an adult😭

[@mmgpa2580]

An interesting addition to this analysis is Disney In Latin America. There’s this Argentinian (Tini Stoessel) who started as an actress on a Disney show (Violetta) when she was idk 16 maybe. She sang on the show and on its soundtrack. She made a movie about the same show with them (again with a soundtrack). She then went on to release two or three album WITH HOLLYWOOD RECORDS as her label and she is the most listened to Argentine singer in Spotify (or something like that). She has done tours over Europe and South America. Edit: her albums slowly progressed to more mature aesthetics but they’re all under Hollywood records.

[@НавсегдаТвой]

Oh yeah, I'm from Poland and I still remember how big the show was around here (same with "Soy Luna" actually). I was really surprised when he mentioned the years of their peak popularity as a gap, but then I found that these shows have never been aired on Disney Channel in the US (apparently they thought the telenovela format wouldn't apply to the American audience). Disney was still thriving, just not in the States lol

[@ritikagandla6670]

From the US, I love Soy Luna and Bia, and saw them on Disney+. The Violetta soundtrack went platinum in a bunch of countries. Tini was 14 when Violetta first aired. In 202, Tini was named Billboard Argentina's Artist Of The Year. I love her music too. I feel like she would get so much more recognition if she went with a record label with less ties to Disney. She's really talented.

[@rockyhollows]

ooh i loved TINI's song "Got Me Started"!

[@realtalk6195]

@@НавсегдаТвой They rarely air foreign programming on English-language TV networks in the US. Even shows from the US, AUS, NZ are rare; Canadian shows have a slightly better shot because the accent is similar. So non-English programming wasn't going to be dubbed into English on Disney Channel, and they don't own a separate Spanish-language channel.

[@diamoond11]

They pushed mexican Karol Sevilla with Soy Luna as well. Disney Latam tries to make shows from time to time but those were the two major musical ones.

[@angelmae989]

I still can't believe this was truly my entire childhood. All their careers, I was watching before my eyes and in a way living it with them without knowing what was really happening behind the scenes. Disney channel will never be the way it was from late 90s to 2012 after vine and ig started.

[@Markpierce2674]

Yup I said the exact same thing!

[@woah729]

I really liked Sour as a debut but it is definitely naive to think that she was homegrown in any way shape or form. it is impressive though that Sour’s writing and production crew mostly just boiled down to Rodrigo and Dan Nigro.

[@karissa2126]

it has that Gen Z appeal and it suits the demographic of the audience, that's why it's so famous.

[@JRNova11]

Yea I wouldn’t say homegrown but “industry plant” is a reach. Simply because she wasn’t necessarily hiding label connections it has been straight up and embraced it since the beginning.

[@woah729]

@@JRNova11 definitely agree. for someone who has huge label and industry connections she definitely has a lot of free agency with what she writes and that’s super cool

[@ladiorange]

I wonder if dan nigro is related to laura nyro....

[@woah729]

@@ladiorange I just looked it up, it appears not. that would be pretty sweet though.

[@Gollybone]

Incredible case study! I love your work, it's a fascinating watch to have the stories of nostalgic childhood icons unpacked, and so well; I feel enlightened, and thoroughly entertained!

[@candygirl2509]

Being a kid during that crazy Hannah Montana, High School Musical, Jonas Brothers period was the BEST! Such great memories

[@Launchpad05]

Not if you're an animation fan like I was.

[@RIPmichael22]

It was the best hey girl!

[@irvplotnik89]

@@Launchpad05 the whole CN Real thing….

[@clarksmith8830]

2009 was like the biggest year of the Disney channel. The brand recognition was off the charts. It kind of crashed in 2011 when The Jonas Brothers, Miley, and Demi were no longer there losing like 3 major groups at once. It probably wasn't a good idea for them to cancel jonas after the 2nd season even with low ratings.

[@amylee8969]

@Jackie Stevens I was a preteen during the 2002-2004 era when Disney Channel was called “Zoog”. Back then it features shows and movies that were kid-friendly and portrayed realistic teens/tweens doing regular teen stuff.

[@uhuhuh1966]

I really don’t understand how they missed out on Christina when Mulan’s “Reflection” was what jumpstarted her music career.

[@qiqisongs]

They missed out on Christina when she was like 13-14. She was already 16-17 years old when she recorded Reflection.

[@uhuhuh1966]

@Hotep X not true, “After recording the song ‘Reflection’ for the Disney movie Mulan (1998), Aguilera signed a recording deal and released a self-titled debut album of dance-oriented pop music in 1999.” She got signed BECAUSE of Reflection

[@uhuhuh1966]

@@qiqisongs but she didn’t sign with RCA until after she made reflection, Disney should’ve heard her talent on that and signed her themselves instead of letting her leave.

[@uhuhuh1966]

@Kirsten A she wouldn’t even have had the opportunity to record Genie without Reflection

[@uhuhuh1966]

@Kirsten A hehe it’s okay you’re not the only one

[@rusael333]

OMG Patrick could you please cover Nickelodeon's attempt at creating pop stars? I remember watching Victorious and Big Time Rush as a teen and being like "wait are they famous on the show or are they pop stars in real life?" lmfao

[@Solavation]

Nick only succeeded with ‘’The Naked Brothers Band’’ IMO Victorious had one hit I believe and it was ‘’Freak the Freak out‘’ I don’t believe any of the songs charted after that Victoria Justice music career was a flop. Jennette Mccurdy didn’t even really want to do music, Miranda Cosgrove wasn’t that invested in her music. BTR had one Gold song I think which was ‘’Boyfriend’’ which it went gold prolly cause of Snoop Dog, the show cancelled Its not really much to look into to be honest mostly all Nick stars flopped besides Naked Brothers Band

[@idk4435]

@@Solavation Damn you forgot about ariana grande lmfao

[@Solavation]

@@idk4435 No Arianna Grande doesnt have any records with Nickelodeon Records as Arianna Grande, theyre all victorious tracks. all her records as Arianna Grande are on Republic she went on to a music career after Nick. They really didn’t have anything to do with her post victorious as far as I know and I wouldn’t say Nick built her pop star image she managed by Scooter Braun Lol

[@Firedogies]

@@Solavation Nickelodeon made her tho

[@Solavation]

@@Firedogies noooooooo not the case at all Arianna was on broad way before nick lol they didnt make her die they boost her visibility sure but, saying Nickloadeon made her is like saying she was nothing before victorious which is hardly the case

[@rollercoasterrideinthefastlane]

The way you only mentioned the disney actors/actresses turned musicians that struck gold in that 2006-2008 time frame but there were many other attempts like Aly & AJ (love their music actually)

[@samiai8905]

Man this is so twisted. Screw Disney, they literally experimented with children and squeezed them dry. The fact that so many of these stars had public meldowns too probably put a halt on their plans as well.

[@triadwarfare]

You could argue the whole school system is a children's experiment to make them functional and productive adults. Not giving them an education and letting them experience the harsh reality of capitalism is equally as bad too.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

@@triadwarfare Not having a normal childhood usually fucks somebody up later down the line when they're adults. Now it's not always, sometimes they are able to avoid complete breakdown if they have a good support system.

[@fistpump64]

@@triadwarfare capitalism

[@Iksvomid]

Oh no, some kids made millions, poor them.

[@Iksvomid]

@Emily R You are neither, so talking hypothetically isn't so mighty.

[@annebutcher9488]

I think part of the problem for Disney is that in the '10s we somewhat moved away from the "manufactured" pop star a la Britney and Christina and towards more authentic-feeling, singer-songwriter types a la Taylor Swift and then later people like Halsey and Billie Eilish. It's not like Disney wasn't trying their damnedest throughout the '10s to strike gold again with people like Dove Cameron, Laura Marano, Ross Lynch, Sabrina Carpenter, and Olivia Holt. It's just that it's a much trickier formula now that pretty face + decent voice + catchy songs by other songwriters = hits. Disney is only just starting to figure that out, and letting both Olivia Rodrigo and Joshua Bassett actually write songs for HSM the series shows they're starting to recognize the value of developing songwriters and not just singers. The issue they're going to run into is... what young singer-songwriter nowadays would actually want to sign with Hollywood Records? Olivia shows the potential of what you can do if you take your talent elsewhere, and then you also have people like Hilary Duff, Miley Cyrus, and the Jonas Brothers who have been pretty vocal about how stifling Hollywood Records/the Disney machine can be.

[@Azoria_J]

Yes, I think it's even trickier cause they continue to promote this idea "anyone can be a star" and teenagers would believe this lie. But I watched so many young artist on ticktock or youtube struggling to get records deal cause they not on disney and don't have rich parents. And let be honest Olivia is from a very privileged family as a lot of nowadays disney stars.

[@annebutcher9488]

Yeah, if anything it's harder now because you kind of need both an organic, grassroots fanbase AND insiders who know how to play the system that are willing to invest in you. Some people are born into the second part of that, and they certainly have an edge over the people that aren't.

[@maelyssjoubrel9709]

I think you have the best comment here, like you said, now it's not just about being pretty and have catchy melodies, people are more demanding of good songwritting, which we all know is not a good quality of Disney... And we notice that the bigest popstars now have that, Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish...

[@Launchpad05]

Too bad the never tried to strike gold with traditional animation again.

[@diamoond11]

With social media and internet presence becoming more important for artists to be known, a lot of talented people can release music independently and with streaming services like Spotify and KZbin they can do it without a label. It's certainly harder to go big, but still people end up having more "options" on what to hear.

[@growingupwithdisney]

The Cheetah Girls definitely played a part in the success of Hannah Montana. That movie had a lot of “girl power” moments and songs, which is probably how Disney thought of songs to write for Hannah Montana

[@Launchpad05]

You want REAL 'girl power', watch 'Iria: Zeriam The Animation' instead.

[@pilot8220]

@@Launchpad05 Lmao, thats a throwback classic

[@amylee8969]

I honestly preferred the Cheetah Girls over most of the Disney Channel musical shows/movies. Especially the first movie (I didn’t like the sequels much). It was a good role model for diverse girls of color and teenage girls following their dreams and working hard for it. That’s the kind of message that todays youth desperately needs.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

I still remember my sisters Lizzie Mcquire themed makeup. I don't have many memories of my old home in Rhode Island, but that's one that sticks out the most. I remember sneaking into her room for my older bro and she had this N'Sync sliding figurine (think a funko pop and rubixs cube combo thing with a head, torso and leg piece all connecting on a swiveling thing) and the smell of the makeup. I remember I snuck in, stole this CD player she had, tripped and spilled all of this nail polish and glitter EVERYWHERE. God, she was so pissed. Now just imagine a like... four or five year old, covered in glitter, telling his mom and older sis that 'nope. I didn't go into her room'

[@julietafernandez6350]

Latin American Disney sort of used this same formula too: from 2012 to 2015 aired the Argentinian TV show “Violetta”, which was about a musically gifted teenager who moves back to Buenos Aires with her father after having lived in Europe. They casted the 14 year old Martina Stoessel to play the protagonist; the show had multiple records and tours. Today she’s one of the most successful Latin American musicians. Her artistic name is “TINI” and her music is dope, by the way.

[@mariaclaracoutinhobrandao2691]

As a South american Violetta was such a huge sucess is South america

[@kilon0vember]

I’m from Europe, Violetta was the big thing here too

[@Princess_Faith1]

I love her

[@milantoth6246]

Oh my God I completely forgot abput that show. Im eastern european, and I just remember how all the girls were obsessed with it and we all hated it. I’ll give her a second chance though .

[@thefactis648]

Also Patito Feo at the same era with Violeta was huuuuge thing and Disney Latino America bought the rights of the show and the second season was on Disney Channel.

[@tionne4945]

It's kinda funny how the one they missed out on (Britney Spears) is the most popular/influential to pop music of the listed stars. She was everywhere and worldwide in the 2000s. I don't really see Miley, Selena even Olivia etc. having that level of popularity even if they currently are 'hot'.

[@dynaa4168]

Still Miley is famous and everywhere

[@vampspears5249]

Exactly!! Britney Spears is literally the princess of pop 😌

[@MsJubjubbird]

Well Britney came onto the scene when the music industry was different. Without youtube it was a big deal when we were kids to set aside Sunday mornings to watch your favorite music videos or tune into the Sunday night top forty to listen to your favorite songs, because you couldn't download them, so you remembered them. A lot of money was spent producing albums and hiring the best people. These days the albums are rush jobs produced in-house so you forget them the next day. Plus digital music wasn't a thing so you only owned music if you really liked it, having to pay a lot of money for the album, and there was less stuff being broadcast competing for your focus. Popstars these days are a dime a dozen so it's much harder to get people's long-lasting attention. Plus she was the first teen blonde bombshell popstar of more modern times so she was memorable. Record companies tried to emulate the model but most of them just faded away after a few hits.

[@mxhsvn_b7866]

@@dynaa4168 not really. Selena is definitely more famous but I would say britney is still at the top

[@c_0910_K]

@@dynaa4168 Miley wouldnt stand a chance to compete with the prime years Britney in early 2000s. I even doubt she could go against Christina to be honest.

[@leomanoban3438]

Miley, Selena, Demi and the Jonas Brothers were everywhere when I was a child. OMG. It brings me back so many memories, happy times

[@09empyre]

My guy i love the authenticity so much, I’ve been bingeing these videos.

[@armieestrong7059]

as someone who gREW UP with these shows and these pop stars, it BLEW my mind to see the formula all laid out like that. cause like the other 8 million kids who were watching disney channel, i did not know that we so EASILY fed into what they were feeding us and it just BLEW my mind

[@michaelkmiec5842]

MOMMMMMM I POOPED ON THE CARPET HOW ABOUT YOU COME CLEANNNNNNNN

[@lashonsade2673]

Right! Damn

[@mrdad-zl9zl]

The beauty of child audiences! To a corporation the natural lack of understanding and brain development = $$$$$$

[@Chamathkaraperera]

So the Jonas Brothers debut album was the only one that went platinum without the backing of movies and TV shows I guess, they were already making music and performing before Disney picked them up so it makes sense.

[@Chamathkaraperera]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me Yeah, true, but it wasn't directly piggy backing off of a certain TV show or movie for success. They were the only ones who started with an album first and then went on to do movies and other stuff.

[@Solavation]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me Jonas Brothers did actually have music before Disney, Nick Primarily they got signed a bit later. But youre right SOS used to play all the time; But I also remember other movie tie in songs like Year 3000 and Hold On. Also they used to play the hell out of ‘’Look Me In The Eyes’’ I’m honestly not ashamed to say some of those songs were bops and I was a fan of JB. I havent played there new shit tho at all

[@BDLabs2]

@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me The Jonas Brothers did a remake/cover of “Kids in America” to promote Disney’s Meet the Robinsons movie. They covered “I Wanna Be Like You” for a re-release of the Jungle Book. They covered “Poor Unfortunate Souls” for a re-release of The Little Mermaid. Their song “Hold On” promoted Disney’s Johnny Kapahala: Back on Board. The band sang a new version of Disney’s TV show American Dragon: Jake Long. They stared in the Camp Rock franchise and had their own TV show. Disney premiered their own 3D concert movie like what they did with Hannah Montana.

[@GreeeenT]

It was also when the internet and social media was picking up! And they leveraged it. They posted everything on KZbin and they used to do livestreams and stuff

[@musiclover_kb4913]

Yeah cause the formation of their band had nothing to do with Disney at all. They were also musicians first, that's why even after getting a show on the channel, what they did onscreen and what they did for themselves could be seen as separate entities

[@cash_eye]

Wizards of Waverly Place is my absolute favorite Disney show ever

[@musiclover_kb4913]

It's one of the best for sure

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

for me it's phineas and ferb and gravity falls

[@StevenTyler94]

Same

[@EverestBlooms-1268]

@PatrickCc, I know I’m late to this video. But your kinda blowin my mind rn. It’s like I’m watching my childhood in one compact video. I remember exactly when and where I watched THESE MASTERPIECES DISNEY MADE.

[@LizandroVarela]

You missed a few pop stars from the 2010s Like Sabrina Carpenter, Ross Lynch, and Laura Marano, ANT Farm had a bunch of semi-successful people also I think, Dove Cameron, can't underestimate the 2010s they just had more quantity than quality in comparison to the 2000s

[@HIGH3RTRUTH]

I was about to say this yess!

[@Pkg597]

Id say Bridgit mendlers first album and her & good luck Charlie was the last major success using the “Disney blueprint”

[@sixcaspersson1649]

@@Pkg597 Bridgit Mendler was actually REALLY GOOD I used to love listening to her music

[@CJWOOD444]

Factsss u just reminded me of the whole 2010s

[@lukeanderson5983]

@@sixcaspersson1649 I love her Huricane

[@griffaye]

Dude you're so good at journalism! Super well put together and captivating videos! The Disney machine is no joke. I knew it was happening the entire time. Even at a young age growing up with it. Olivia Rodrigo being the newest of our current time. Olivia has the advantage of modern day social media. I'm honestly surprised Disney hasn't bought TikTok yet. TikTok is the modern day engine for the industry's music and acting scouting/promotion. If Disney wants to reignite a popstar factory, they need a TikTok. Simple as that.

[@IAMASELENATOR92]

very smart how they used "Tell Me Something I don't Know" in both the Cinderella Story soundtrack and Selena's album

[@ideologybot4592]

Interesting stuff, and I didn't watch or listen to any of it, but it's impressive. A couple of things: First, having a channel or record label was a fantastic infrastructure until everything diversified with online music and shows. Attention is a currency, and Disney figured out how to use the popularity of a show to bankroll a record with audience attention, then maybe another record and a movie. That's a perfect example of synergistic marketing. Second, attention is also finite and fatigue happens. They started to slump even before the platform shattered, so they might have figured out where their limits are. Assuming they figure out how to use online platforms, it could happen again, but they need to know when to stop, or at least when to move on to a new, younger star. Great video.

[@SeaWiseBrain]

I would also like to add Zendaya as well. She did try to debut as a singer in the music industry but she mostly continued her acting career. She sounds so good in The Greatest Showman though.

[@lalaland2107]

I think Disney wanted her to do that... Idk

[@Sabrina-sc1db]

I remember watching the Replay video all the time on Disney

[@Solavation]

Fun Fact: Taylor Swift & Hayley Williams have writing credits on Olivia Rodrigos Sour Album. Honestly if you check the the credits on SOUR its fucking crazy sand unbelievable somebody dumped tons of money in this album and advertising to get her going. Also, Olivia Rodrigo is special not only in this case but Disney has invested in all of its stars to have a music presence. Olivia just popped massively its not that Disney took a break. Nobody just had as much appeal as Rodrigo the formula has and will always be the same. They’re kinda just throwing shit out there to see what sticks and if it does well more power to them you know.

[@user-ux1vj9vx7s]

Fun Fact: You’re aware Taylor Swift and Hayley Williams only having writing credits on her album is because she interpolated their songs, Right? They didn’t actually write any music or lyrics for her album, nor did they have anything to do with the production of it. They received their writing credits after the album already came out.

[@litaf4889]

She’s not special 💀🤦🏻‍♂️ just another Disney money cow

[@Solavation]

@@litaf4889 Streams dont lie man, Patrick didn’t talk about any of the other Disney Channel stars who have made music because theyre literally not relevant. Disney generally will always give there current show runners a song. IE, ‘’Ross Lynch’’ ‘’China Ann McLain’ ‘’Bridget Mindler’’They see where it goes from there and what it does. If it hits then generally they’ll put money into an album, if doesnt then they move the star on and get them back to the show or whatever movie theyre working on. Olivia Rodrigo is special because her song hit hard especially Drivers License . theres no reason to be bitter about it. Its not like they predicted she would become a literally mega star, its just what they do and its the formula. when they saw that the song was blowing up ofcourse they’re going to put money behind it. Why wouldn’t they, you think that a 18 year old Disney channel star is getting writing credits from Hayley Williams and Taylor swift based off merit alone? No she streamed heavy and Disney put the machine behind her and people identified with those lyrics. Also Olivia is coincidently Asian being Philippine interestingly enough despite having the last name Rodrigo its not hard to believe she might be streamed heavy in Asian and also in Spanish territories with people thinking she was Spanish.

[@Solavation]

@@user-ux1vj9vx7s interesting I didn’t know that, regardless I’m sure it still cost a huge amount of money to get that cleared

[@user-ux1vj9vx7s]

@@Solavation That’s not how that works. Clearing a sample prior to a release and adding a writer to a composition because of interpolation post-release are two different things. They didn’t pay for it up front and it comes out of the back end. Swift and Williams and whoever else she ripped off just get a little taste of units sold. Also, How do you know so much about these Disney stars and Rodrigo?

[@overworked_nurse]

I watched all of these before my child eyes and never realized how well Disney cross promoted their stars. I literally didn’t know why Hannah Montana was making a big deal out of the then-unknown Jonás Brothers when I watched that episode.

[@Markpierce2674]

I didn’t either lol, but I remember hearing their name and seeing them before that episode aired!

[@danashine1137]

Same! It was genius tbh we were all so young and couldn't tell no better lmao

[@SarifaXionic]

I remember when no one knew them and they premiered on TRL with the song Mandy.

[@SergioArellano-yd7ik]

Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally Literally

[@lenchenboni]

I remember that one of the former stars said, that the company checked how they act in public, what they say in the interviews, what to wear,ect... It shows,that at Disney there is no space left for coincidences .... I can imagine and understand why Demi, Miley and others wanted to leave the factory and are still mad and traumatized by now

[@shegohardd7084]

Its actually kinda interesting to me that Demi’s albums only went Gold. I personally feel like Demi had the best solo music out of everyone on the channel at the time. It never felt like “Disney music” or bubblegum pop it was very powerhouse and heavily rock influenced. But maybe that’s why the albums weren’t as successful as Selena’s or Miley’s. The music was a bit mature (not the lyrical content per se, but definitely the vocals and production).

[@musiclover_kb4913]

Yeah it didn't feel bubblegum-y, and even within the confines of Disney, it was still good quality music

[@JennaLeigh]

Great point. I used to write for a music blog and I always called Demi 'the non-Disney Disney girl". She always felt like a unique entity rather than a cog in a massive machine. Her vocal ability eclipses Miley, Selena, and Hilary(no shade intended- I adore them all). The first time I heard "Skyscraper" I was absolutely floored. Seeing her documentaries, I could see Demi being a bit more headstrong and willing to fight for a little more control.

[@shegohardd7084]

@@JennaLeigh even the pre-Skyscraper stuff was incredible. La La Land, Don’t Forget & Remember December are QUALITY

[@lauras5359]

Demi had/has a way better voice than Miley and Selena combined. However I do like all of them it's just Demi is better vocally

[@JennaLeigh]

@@shegohardd7084 once again speaking factssss

[@termythewormy]

On the finders fee thing: Disney wouldn't be able to do that because a lifetime contract like that would expire as soon as the child turned 18 as any contract signed on their behalf before that date would no longer be considered legally binding. It's likely that Olivia waited until her contract expired and then quietly dipped out

[@_Kim_Possible]

I think Disney could still have a finders fee/cut in her current set-up. Olivia released music w/Interscope before her 18th birthday while on Disney+ show. And Disney could have control of her solo career well after her Disney days. This is related but with a boyband Why Don't We, their case w/management went public bc they were trying to break contract with ex-management team who were abusive. In their contracts that they signed as minors, the management STILL had control and management claims over their solo careers. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney worked a clause like that in the contract, they are extremely controlling

[@termythewormy]

@@_Kim_Possible Disney could attempt to work that in but the clause wouldn't be considered legal so Olivia Rodrigo would not have to abide by it, even with music she released before her 18th birthday as long as it wasn't released through Disney. It's likely she wouldn't even have to sue, she could just stop paying them and Disney wouldn't have grounds to sue because the contract itself would be considered unenforceable as employment contracts for minors in California have a 7 year term limit anyway. They could try but they would likely be laughed out of court. Clauses like that depend on people not knowing any better. I also can't find any sort of article saying Why Don't We had an issue breaking contract with their former managers. The only lawsuit I could find was the two managers suing each other and the boyband coming out to speak on the horrible conditions they suffered under those managers. Nothing about them not being able to break contract post 18th birthday or the management team having control of their solo careers after they reached adulthood. If you have an article detailing that aspect of it, I would love to read it though.

[@_Kim_Possible]

@@termythewormy KZbin won’t let me link links but it is a billboard article titled,”Why Don't We's Management Tussle in Lawsuits Alleging 'Nightmarish Behavior'” if you look it up it should be the first link or so. The article mentions that the ex management they are suing still had control over their solo career even though they signed it as minors. I used to think that you couldn’t hold minors to agreements past 18 until I read the WDW article. On top of that I remember people passing rumors around that some 5H members are bound by contract even solo. Another music contract that is wild is 5SOS, they (signed as minors) were basically owned in a 50-50 split by 1D & Modest. Even after 1D split members still made money off of 5SOS until 2018. Contracts are crazy. Also Disney could still get a cut from her music kinda like a 360 deal. Like how labels make money off of artists’ merch or even promotions

[@DR-fc1ey]

@@_Kim_Possible no such thing for olivia, she owns her masters and has 100% control of her music and career, she has 0 ties to disney at this point because her mother and father made sure in her contracts she would not be taken advantage of and that she has now quit disney and will finish the filming of her part in her show, her record deal also came to her by surprise as disney had nothing to do with it, its safe to say olivia is safe from disney and their giant ass hands.

[@_Kim_Possible]

@@DR-fc1ey Only time will tell honestly. This is just purely speculation. And her owning masters doesn’t take away from Disney having a 360 deal on her (or their stars). A 360 deal surpasses masters ownership. And I never claimed Disney has creative control. Literally Disney collects a check whenever she gets a check that’s how 360 deals work/restrictive contracts work. Regardless of her parents’ involvement that nasty mouse is gonna get their way. Also you don’t follow her story closely. The record deal was NOT a surprise. She literally was in a contract bidding war between major labels.

[@brandontravisano904]

I can't say that I didn't really know about this already, but wow this video was so interesting to connect them all. Love the content recently, you've definitely got something going recently and I'm a fan of it.

[@Markpierce2674]

Right, like I knew all this but the video was still interesting and spot on!

[@SamanthaTwist]

The Hannah/Selena/Demi/Jonas was SUCH A GOOD ERA

[@deedferreira4211]

I think one piece of the argument that everyone's missing is that Olivia is the Disney pop star that is the furthest associated with Disney. Because she's not on the Disney record label, she's able to curse on her albums, which, if she was being controlled/guided by Disney, would have been a different story, perhaps? I mean, let's pick Miley Cyrus. The moment Miley Cyrus started being seen as a "ex-Disney pop star led astray" was when she released the Bangerz album, completely shattering the idea people had of her. But with Olívia, that disney association was never that strong in the first place. In her first album, she's already cursing, and talking about how she hates being 17, and how she is overworked. Maybe Disney is going to put out these pop stars that have less restrictions, and that are not even publicly strongly associated with Disney, to create an idea of authenticness. Orr, maybe Olivia is just a talented teen girl that was given a really big platform via Disney, but also managed to have control over her own music? It's hard to say. The contract theory would make sense, since they would be able to cash on an artist like Olívia without having to deal with the consequences of having a Disney pop star cursing.

[@FilipKotula]

well miley cyrus was able to release a highly controversial album at the time, can’t be tamed at 17, under disney’s label. they refused to fund her projects though, miley herself said she had to pay for the music videos herself. that is way more powerful to me

[@musiclover_kb4913]

Another factor in this is that the show Olivia was on, Bizaardvark, didn't really make a splash. It kinda just came and went, she didn't get recognition for being in that show in the same way Sabrina Carpenter did for Girl Meets World

[@goldranger5182]

Same with Ariana

[@mastahfrederique1147]

I think with Olivia they are actually reversing the formula: allow their show to get a star a record label, even if outside Disney, but then use the wider fame brought about by the subsequent records to bring attention to their show through that star. It doesn't matter what label signs Olivia because ultimately, people don't pay attention to the record label behind an album. They see Olivia, they see she's in a show, they watch the show. Disney gets subscribers regardless and doesn't even have to produce an album themselves.

[@visionentertainment8006]

Exact

[@marlene2805]

I was in hs when the show came out and it never really interested me, but once I became a fan of Olivia I def watched the show simply because of her😩

[@cadiieboii8221]

Yea I only watched the show because I wanted to see Olivia

[@chelsea_gr8]

That's a very good point. This might be because I'm older and kind of stopped watching Disney Channel in the early 2010s, but I didn't know that Bizaardvark and HSMTMTS existed until Olivia's music came out (I know Bizaardvark is slightly older, but still). Honestly, when Driver's License came out, I thought, "Wow, what a great song. Who is this girl?" and when I looked her up, I thought, "Huh? She's a Disney kid? Man, I'm old..."

[@prep_girl]

@@cadiieboii8221 bro same😂 it was actually pretty good, as well. tho when she wasn’t in s2 as much (because of sour ofcofc) i stopped watching 🥲

[@brettmillerlive]

Loving this channel and the deep dives into the inner-workings of the music industry...It's really time to pull back the curtain on all this, and your level of research and dot-connecting is unmatched. Great video, stoked for more!

[@jayshree7574]

thanks for the breakdown, it's great everything worked out for them. this might sound bad, but sometimes i just feel jealous of the opportunities people get in the US. anyways everyone has their own path. thanks for sharing the detailed breakout on these.

[@RoguePanda93]

I would argue that they did continue with the formula during the 2010s. Dove Cameron, Bridget Mendler, Sabrina Carpenter, Laura Marano. Dove had Liv & Maddie and Descendants Bridget with Good Luck Charlie and Lemonade Mouth Sabrina in Girl Meets World and DCOMs Laura with Austin & Ally and DCOMs I just think that Olivia happened to get a bigger music debut than her 2010s counterparts. But all the shows and movies mentioned above are pillars for kids, too.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

I would really love it if Patrick CC did a video on why Disney Channel stars in the 2010s didn't have the same success as the ones in the 2000s did. My theory has to be the rise of the internet. Think about it, it's when KZbin was starting to be considered a full-time job and when influencer was starting to become a thing. And internet celebrities were getting record deals, book deals, movies, TV Shows, etc. And let's not forget about how some Tiktok Stars are also getting roles in Netflix movies and are starting to become pop stars. I'm pretty sure there are other factors to why 2010s Disney Channel stars failed (like maybe kpop as well), but I would personally love to hear Patrick's take on this.

[@nolantrickey457]

Sheeeeesh, I never knew Disney was *this* calculated in manufacture stars! 😳🤯 Thank you for the amazing video as usual, Pat 🙏🏻

[@nthuthukomdluli1052]

Money makes ppl think harder,U may be terrible at maths but when it comes to money 🤔

[@BDLabs2]

What this guy forgot to mention was that Disney did this formula on EVERY actor. Like, Raven Symone. They also keep having their actors come together and sing for re-releases of their animated classics. It’s like their “KZbin Rewind” before “KZbin Rewind” existed. Fun fact: That’s So Raven was originally going to star her friend Chelsea, but they changed their minds after the first episode. They starred Raven instead of the actor Anneliese van der Pol. Both tried singing and starting their own careers. Raven took off and was more successful. Kinda like what happened with Zendaya when she co-starred with Bella Thorne. Bella and Anneliese both have red hair. COINCIDENCE!? I THINK NOT!! 😛

[@melonie_peppers]

Scary

[@Markpierce2674]

Lol it’s weird, back then we as in the fans weren’t that aware of all this but aren’t surprised either! It’s like as in today it’s so easy to put all the pieces together!

[@Whatever94-i4u]

Disney has become a master of scheming. Let's just think about the animation renaissance period and the MCU universe project. They really know how to plan forward for years of success step by step and then massively capitalize on it until they suck every little drop of success out of it. Kind of fascinating how good they are at it, no wonder they almost monopolized the entire industry and they are one if not the biggest household name in the entertainment world today. At this point I don't think they find the formula, but rather dictate it.

[@revolbeef]

join disney or die basically....somewhere in the yea 3000 the company may even become president and every company is owned by them...bow to our overlord mickey

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

Tbf thats what most businesses do, its jist that Disney is a much larger scale

[@goldranger5182]

Now they focus on movies and enough with teenstar tv shows and albums

[@katgreer6113]

@@revolbeef LOLLLLL overlord mickey.

[@Knightwolf1994]

How the heck can they plan all that yet somehow can't decide how am entire trilogy's story is gonna go?

[@ZombieRofl]

Dude you got some skills telling this whole story. Great content!

[@amazingjay3957]

2010’s def had some breakout stars like Ross Lynch and Dove Cameron but they didn’t really keep the momentum going

[@LaurenLaass]

Totally agree about Dove Cameron. Her voice is really good but her music has not had the success of past Disney stars.

[@fishyfish6510]

Bridgit Mendler

[@stxrstrxckmxteo515]

100% what you said on the last sentence. “They didn’t keep the momentum going”. At all. Sabrina Carpenter definitely had the makings of a Disney “Taylor Swift”. China Anne McClain and the girl from make it shine who’s name escaped me at the moment (which is weird bc she had that type of industry name that’s catchy in a sense have no idea why the didn’t promote her more she easily could’ve filled in the raven Simone “slot”) anyways I also remember they pushed Zendaya when she did replay and it was kinda good and had momentum same with Bella thrones Jersey EP both in 2014 but both of them didn’t really wanna be the Disney pop star. Same with all the other ones listed above.

[@phoenix5054]

This is a masterclass in pop star manufacturing, logistics, and supply chain management!

[@franks_fiction]

“The three biggest stars were Britney, Justin, and Christina.” *ryan gosling shaking in his boots*

[@itskitty808]

Seriously, how could he have forgotten Ryan Freaking Gosling?!

[@heehee2007]

He was talking about musicians that got their careers started because of Disney Channel. Ryan Gosling is an actor so it makes sense why he wasn’t talked about in the vid

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@heehee2007 Ryan Gosling also has a band called Dead Man's Bones

[@HoodwinkFalls]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 yeah but he is most known as an actor, whereas Christina, Britney and Justin are all best known for their music

[@snowy6237]

the mid to late 2000s was a great time for disney channel, I'm glad I was there for it

[@ninanano]

I would say Justin Bieber's come up starting in late 2009 also contributed for this. He was the latest teen pop star and the scene and got an insane amount of attention, was getting compared to the Beatlemania. But there was a more "seriousness" to his artistry since he was connected to someone like Usher (and Justin Timberlake) and not Disney, so in my opinion his reach was broader. He was nominated for 2 Grammys in his debut year, something we'd didn't think we'd see from a Disney act (except the Jonas Brothers the year prior). A lot of his fans came from the fandoms of the stars you mentioned, namely the Jonas Brothers - including myself, and I can surely attest that a lot of other Justin Bieber fans were Jonas Brothers fans. There was even some tension since Justin was clearly overshadowing the band, they shared the same initials (JB, they even fought over that). Selena who was Disney's biggest star at the time, was suddenly being seen around Justin - she had previously dated Nick Jonas. In my opinion her relationship with Justin is also what allowed her to make a smooth transition to Disney act to mainstream pop star, the smoothest between all of her fellow Disney acts. An example of a great PR move - although I do believe at some point they did end up dating seriously. And you know it was indeed PR because they had attempted the same thing with Miley and Justin, but Justin's image was still pristine while Miley's was gradually getting worse. Selena was the safest choice and it worked wonders for both of them, seemingly toxic relationship aside...

[@ninanano]

@@auxiccc I agree! I also think Miley was clearly the main Disney girl despite all the controversy. I only repeated what was said on the video 😅 I mean she had the hits, the platinum albums, the sold out tours. I think in summer 2010 Miley and Justin performed his song “Overboard” at his MSG concert, I’m pretty sure it’s on a tour DVD of his. This, in my opinion, was their teams setting the scene up for an eventual public relationship. A concert at MSG was one of his biggest dreams and it was a huge deal (obviously, it’s Madison Square Garden), and Overboard is a very romantic song for a duo. In November of that same year they’re both seen on a “date”. Miley would talk about how Justin would “prank call her at 3AM”. Setting the scene up for a cute, playful puppy love relationship. That same month, Miley had her birthday party, the p*nis cake one… very adult theme. In December, a video of her smoking weed was leaked, and the photos of that birthday party get leaked in January 2011. It was scandal after scandal. Her being associated with Justin could damage his reputation, so Miley gets discarded, and the very next month, February 2011, Justin and Selena make it official at the Vanity Fair Oscar Party. I do agree that Selena always seems to be seen around the right people. And like you said, this isn’t to call her a clout chaser or opportunist… it’s to praise her PR team, lol

[@xyzabc-nu3vd]

This is so true!!! Bieber is the blueprint

[@alejandraafu7609]

Bestie you’re so right

[@jeanettemily1109]

This comment just made me relive my life as a 14 year-old - I remembered all of these!!

[@lilxtasy4936]

you’re right, no one has ever had their ascent to fame as smooth as bieber, kudos to him from making his way out of nothing. dude legit outclassed all of disney whilst singing on the streets for money.

[@ajayarmstrong676]

Zendaya isnt big musically no but she’s a model and apart of the marvel universe has euphoria that she is the main character of and she’s a model i think she chose the right road instead of singing

[@lilxtasy4936]

isnt marvel a part of disney tho

[@Pasiephae]

It low key just feels like that now days people get really big with Tik Tok ,probably Olivia just got so insane huge cause of Tik Tok

[@1999tenorio]

yep

[@s.s5933]

That’s definitely part of it

[@iamnotarobot2517]

Plus the "drama" with Sabrina Carpenter. Definitely played a huge role to the success of driver's license.

[@valeriarossini543]

agreed, the impact tik tok has on the charts these days shouldn’t be underestimated

[@sharbie7984]

Same , without tik tok and the drama Olivia would just have become another 2010s semi successful Disney artist

[@annaafave]

Dude your voice has such a calming effect on me. Thank you

[@krystalbernier234]

Cyrus had a family in for music. Granted she outshined her father but Billy Ray was a big name.

[@kayno9167]

I think Raven should’ve definitely been mentioned especially with the Cheetah girls and Circle of Stars arch, as well as their attempt with Dove Cameron as well. There were definitely talent they tried to milk out.

[@faatima56]

Yup!! She had raven themed products and everything and did the soundtracks for other movies And Chyna McLain was huge with ant farm

[@realtalk6195]

Raven had a child singing career way before she worked for Disney, and her child acting career took off with The Cosby Show. The other members of Cheetah Girls were formerly 3LW which was a pre-existing group. Basically they weren't produced by the Disney popstar factory but hired after the fact.

[@spookyghoast1360]

"In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes." - Andy Warhol

[@s0ne01]

Damn

[@mariokarter13]

Didn't predict everone in the world simultaneously being famous in infinitesimally small spheres of influence though.

[@astrofish6163]

Seems pretty egalitarian, I wouldn't mind if we didn't let individuals influence us for decades at a time.

[@Nyxthebat04]

Where's my fame bro

[@ht-si1lr]

@@astrofish6163 Slavefluencing!